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00:11.35trekewho hear wants to buy kergoth a tv card?
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00:28.20Theloniusif he gives me a usb2 one, then i will :P
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01:13.14trekeyou cheap bastards
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01:56.10wardriveri have a makefile that i would like to compile... i installed gcc but still no make command... what do i need?
01:59.21kergothyou need make
02:00.14wardriveri thought make was supposed to come with the compiler
02:01.45wardriverthanks
02:02.40kergothlikely in a seperate package
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03:58.18wardriveranyone here using the wlan-ng drivers?
04:01.27mewyni use what OZ has me use
04:06.10wardriverhost_ap
04:06.33mewynok, then that's what i use
04:07.58mewyncan you use that host_ap stuff to make your card work like an access point?
04:09.22wardriveri read some stuff on that, the name, host_ap tends to lend that subject as possible
04:09.40wardriverbut it is the with the wlan-ng drivers that you can change your mac... i think
04:10.27mewyni'd like to make a portable AP/NAS
04:10.43kergothyou need the hostap userspace tools
04:10.48kergothbut then yes you can make it an AP
04:10.54mewyncool
04:11.43mewynnow all i need is a low powered mobo with 2 pc card slots and ide :)
04:12.08wardriverhow can i change my mac addr?  i've changed it with ifconfig and iwpriv but i haven't found out how to reinitialze the card to accept the new mac
04:13.41wardriverhttp://trekweb.com/~jasonb/articles/hostap_20021012.shtml  a howto to set up an ap with host_ap
04:35.06chouimat|Zzzznight
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06:09.46fdaskwhats it mean in AQPkg when a package name has a blue dot with a small star in the corner beside it?
06:09.55fdaski know the blue dot usually means 'installed' or whatever... but whats this star
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07:12.06Twiunfdask: I think the small star means there's a newer version available - double tap on the package name to see
07:27.08fdaskhrmm
07:27.33fdaski installed it from the ipk i had on cf tho, and i'm not online.
07:27.41fdaskweird how it would know theres a newer version
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09:47.54fdaskwhat does the opie-sshkeys package do?
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11:05.46fdaskhow come when i try to run vmemo, i always get /dev/dsp device or resource busy?
11:05.52fdaskhow can i determine what is using the file?
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11:08.57jakuhi!
11:09.50fdaskhi jaku
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12:56.38chouimatmorning
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13:50.10jakuis it possible to have a cursor like a mouse in Z? or.. only like tab?
13:52.25wijnandnever seen an arrow cursor... did you check the zsi?
13:56.02jakuwijnand: zsi?
13:56.38wijnandhttp://killefiz.de/zaurus/
14:08.42jakuwijnand: probably is possible only with picoGui
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14:10.29nattySo I'm tryin to install an ipk I got, but when I try to "open in packages" using the file manager, packages launches but doesn't show my ipk
14:10.46nattyis there anyway to make the command line package utils create the symbolic links like oipackage does
14:13.43nattyactually file manager is trying to open it in aqpackage
14:14.06Theloniusi think i have just made myself a pocket paper weight, due to something screwing up during the installation of the bootloader
14:15.34wijnandmy sincere condoleances
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15:08.20jgilesHello. Does anyone know where I can get the libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so3 file for my Z running 3.2 ?
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15:14.45jgilesHello. Does anyone know where I can get the libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so3 file for my Z running 3.2 ?
15:14.54trekeyou just asked that
15:15.08jgilesI know.. I didnt get a responce, so I though I would try again
15:16.06jgilesBut, you just saved me from doing it again. Obviously no one here knows the answer, so I will send to the e-mail list...
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15:17.20hardwireanybody snagged one of those siemens simpads yet?
15:17.27trekehardwire: yes
15:17.32trekehardwire: OE boots on it
15:17.35hardwireooooh
15:17.41hardwireI think I might want one now
15:17.49hardwiremake a good reader.
15:17.57hardwireis it light.. easuly snuggleable?
15:18.10trekehardwire: http://opensimpad.org/
15:18.14trekehardwire: dunno. dont have one
15:18.25hardwireah
15:18.28hardwirewho does?
15:18.51trekehardwire: killefiz, cmartin, and mickeyl have them
15:19.52hardwireHAH
15:19.57hardwireyou can PXE boot the mofo?
15:20.04hardwireyeah.. I will be getting one
15:20.13hardwireits in the specs
15:21.06trekehardwire: http://opensimpad.org/typo3temp/9ab9dcbe20.png
15:21.34hardwirethose screenshotsstay that size eh
15:21.45hardwiremicroscreenshot
15:22.04trekemicro screen shot? its 800x699
15:22.06treke600
15:22.10hardwireno its not
15:22.17trekeeh
15:22.21trekeoops thats the thumbnail
15:22.28trekehttp://opensimpad.org/uploads/pics/sc_19.13.37_Wed_31_Dec_1969.png
15:22.33hardwiredanke
15:22.54hardwireheheh.. aww
15:23.00hardwireI want one damnit
15:23.45hardwirewow
15:23.47hardwire$650.00
15:23.48hardwirehah
15:33.19hardwirethe SLC model is the top of the line one?
15:34.30hardwire#
15:34.31treke#openembedded and ask someone who knows
15:35.12hardwiretreke: are you joyfully hinting.. or snibbily assuming my ESP for the most part doesn't work
15:35.33hardwire#openzaurus/openembedded.. I have been thinking they are the same thing for quite a long time ;)
15:35.40trekeI forgot, subtly doesnt work with hardwire
15:35.50trekehardwire: move your ass into #openembedded now!
15:35.54hardwireooh
15:36.48hardwireits not subtly I have issues with.
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15:51.42hardwireis being subtle effecient or necissary in most cases?
15:52.06trekeno, but it's fun
15:54.58hardwiretreke: not really.  I could be subtle all I want.. and have no fun now that people thing I am an aroggant ass.
16:03.21kergothhardwire: you arent?  :)
16:03.25Theloniuslol
16:04.03hardwirekergoth: not in any smooth squave debonair ways. ;)
16:04.20hardwirelike..  I don't shake my glass in a subtle way.. to get my biznatch to refill it..
16:04.35kergothgotcah
16:04.39kergothgotcha rather
16:04.40hardwireinstead I yell and scream and throw tantrums stating exactly what I want!
16:04.48kergothi'm no good at subtlety either, as any OZ user could attest
16:04.54hardwireheh
16:05.02kergoth"you did WHAT?"
16:05.02kergothheh
16:05.06hardwireand I don't wonder why people don't know what I am about to tell them.
16:05.23hardwirethat was a subtlety right there.
16:05.55kergothheh.
16:06.28trekehehe
16:07.01hardwirehmm
16:07.03hardwirehehe
16:07.20hardwireok.. so last time I was up in alaska.. we hired this seattle goon to work with the .com'ers we are all sorta working with
16:07.25hardwirethey manage a website under the compaany
16:07.30hardwireanyhoot.. she is.. bewildering.
16:07.43hardwireancient.. and directly subtle
16:08.01hardwireshe will ask you a question that makes no sense.. and as you are thinking about it she will stare..
16:08.12hardwirethen.. you find yourself staring back as if "What the fuck is this woman thinking?"
16:08.23hardwirethen she will voice.. "I am looking at you"
16:08.30hardwirewell no shit..
16:08.32kergothhaha
16:08.36kergothgood thing she told you!
16:08.40hardwireyeah
16:08.46hardwireI wou;dn't have known.
16:08.54hardwireanyways .. she was harassing poor ToyKeeper a lot
16:09.00hardwireglad I wasn't working with that woman
16:09.17hardwirebut man.. she was the weirdest.
16:09.27hardwire<PROTECTED>
16:09.52hardwireshe is a contradiction to english and conversation alltogether.. which is a hard thing to fuck up if you are a writer.. like she is.
16:10.03hardwireI don't think I wanna pick up any of her books anytime soon.
16:10.37kergoth*open chapter one* "I'm writing to you!"
16:10.51Theloniushardwire, hire me then
16:10.54Theloniusii need the money
16:11.08hardwireheh
16:11.22hardwireI don't think thats within my power or immediate need ATM>
16:11.35hardwirethat and I am uh.. shampooing my hair tonight.. yeah ;)
16:12.17Theloniushah
16:12.22TheloniusGIMME MONEY!!!
16:12.36Theloniusforget the work portion, i just love the dough
16:12.39Theloniusmore than you know
16:12.50hardwireyo yo yo
16:16.40hardwireyay
16:16.44hardwireonly -148 in checking
16:16.51hardwirethats a lot less than I thought it would be
16:18.05hardwirehmm
16:18.16hardwireThelonius: now I have California love stuck in my head.
16:18.28hardwireI dunno why.. but you did it.
16:21.12Theloniushahahah
16:21.28Theloniusnow you owe me royalties for suggesting songs
16:21.43hardwireyou braindead inchworm.. I will do nothing of the sort.
16:22.10hardwireturn on your opera and pacify yourself for a while.. ;)
16:22.46Theloniusi will smash you maggot
16:22.51Theloniusgive me money
16:22.54Theloniusor i will take it
16:22.56Thelonius>=)
16:23.12hardwirewoop woop woop woop
16:23.38hardwireinchworm vs maggot.. more at 11!
16:24.14hardwireso.. are there any crazy countries out there where they have a music channel.. that plays music..
16:24.47Theloniushah
16:24.50Theloniusstop braggging
16:24.51hardwirebut there are no boobs on XM.. or rapsta ganstas yo
16:25.31Theloniusi hope to get hold of those xm radio pcmcia card
16:25.31Theloniuss
16:25.41hardwirethat would be instantly groovy
16:25.42kergothhardwire: good point
16:25.50hardwireeither way
16:25.52hardwirexm sounds fun
16:26.02Theloniuskergoth, how much does it cost?
16:26.09hardwiremore than a dollar?
16:30.07cynit's like 10/mo isn't it
16:30.09kergothlike $10 a month or something
16:30.10kergothyeah
16:30.16kergothgood techno stations
16:30.19cynthe main market for xm radio
16:30.20cynWOOoooo
16:30.25cynok I just got added to the main market
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16:30.28cynbut the main market for xm
16:30.31cynis truckers
16:30.33cynseriously
16:30.33kergothyeah
16:30.35kergothdefinately
16:30.38cynover the road guys
16:30.52cyn10 bucks a month and they don't have to fiddle with the knob and get great sound
16:31.01cynman, you know how many truckers there are
16:31.03cynshit, xm is set
16:31.11cynit's like selling toilet paper
16:31.15cynit's gunna sell.
16:31.22kergothyup
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16:46.06NetNut404_Workanyone have problems with opie alarm not alerting when suspended?  I tried the patched binary, and it worked for like a day
16:47.21NetNut404_Worknow it's back to the same behavior.
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18:12.03truwho was it that built unofficial c700 images?
18:12.24kergoththe unofficial/experimental? i did
18:16.00truhm. I think I got one from someone else, with opie 0.9.9 and working arrowkeys.
18:16.20kergotharrowkeys i fixed 2 days after that old image
18:16.25kergothguess someone did a more recent build :)
18:17.35truyeah, problem is that I couldnt install extra software later :) so I tried to build the whole thing myself but I think the buildsystem won over me :)
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19:26.29jacopoI installed HancomSheet.. but it open and colose in 1 second every time... don't know why?
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19:28.39jacopoit appens also with other programs...
19:29.23Twiunwhich hancomsheet?
19:29.30Twiunthe one that comes with Sharp ROM 3.10?
19:29.37jacopothe original from the site
19:30.12jacopohancomsheet-en_1.0.1_arm.ipk
19:30.31Twiun'original' and 'the site' aren't really that descriptive ;)
19:30.43Twiunok, that package name helps a _little_
19:31.18Twiunbut I can't tell if that's what Sharp bundled with their pre 3.10 roms or the latest one
19:31.31Twiunif it's the latest one, afaik Sharp broke some things
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19:36.09jacopoTwiun: ok tks
19:39.55NetNut404_Workso who can tell me why oz 3.2 won't resume for a alarm even after the patched binary at  http://www.gingerbear.org/zaurus/
19:41.04kergothafter resume, run a ps -ef. do you see any zombie opiealarm processes?
19:44.59NetNut404_Workno I don't
19:45.15NetNut404_Workwhen I resume I get the alarm going off
19:45.19kergothokay, and does the alarm appear after you manually wake up?
19:45.21kergothokay, good
19:45.29NetNut404_Workbut only if I resume at the right time
19:45.57NetNut404_Workit worked right after I replaced the binary
19:46.00NetNut404_Workfor like a day
19:46.12NetNut404_Workthen it went back to doing the same thing
19:46.42NetNut404_Workcould the date showing in UTC on the command prompt with the date command have anything to do with it?
19:47.46NetNut404_Workit's driving me absolutely crazy..  I have other things to try to get to work.. but this is basic functionality at this point
19:49.16NetNut404_Workrecommendations?  things to try  I have this same problem  happening on 3 different zaurus's and I gotta get it working
19:50.18kergothhold, phone call
19:53.20cynthe time being in utc could cause it to be trying to go off at a different time
19:54.31NetNut404_Workthat'
19:54.37NetNut404_Works what I thought
19:54.55NetNut404_Workit's only in utc on the konsole
19:54.57cyncan't say for sure, but if somehow one's seeing one time and the other's seeing another that could definitely cause probs
19:55.09NetNut404_WorkEXACTLY
19:55.15cynthat page you got the patched binary from
19:55.18cyndid it mention a file
19:55.25cynit writes the time of the next alarm to a file
19:55.35NetNut404_Workyeah resumeat
19:55.35cynyou can check the contents of that file to get an idea of whats goin on
19:55.42NetNut404_WorkI have
19:55.46cynand they are
19:56.35NetNut404_Work<PROTECTED>
19:56.36NetNut404_Work1055901300
19:56.59NetNut404_Work-rw-r--r--    1 root     root           11 Jun 17 19:16 /var/run/resumeat
19:57.20NetNut404_Workit updates that file after resume it looks like
19:58.01NetNut404_Workand then the alarm will go off if I happen to resume iy myself at the right time
19:58.05cynok type "date +%s" in konsole
19:58.28NetNut404_WorkTue Jun 17 19:58:46 UTC 2003
19:58.32cyner
19:58.39cynthat's the output of date +%s?
19:58.41NetNut404_Workoops fergot %s
19:58.52NetNut404_Workwhat's %s do anyway?
19:59.01cynputs it in the format we need
19:59.06cynseconds since 1/11970
19:59.10cyn1/1/1970
19:59.11kergothprobably converts it back to the 'number of seconds since the epoch'
19:59.12kergothyeah, that
19:59.13NetNut404_Workit says invalid format
19:59.13kergothheh
19:59.19cyn+%s
19:59.22cynliterally have the + there
19:59.28cyn"date +%s"
19:59.34NetNut404_Workoops  
19:59.41cynsokay :)
19:59.57NetNut404_Work1055880022
20:00.32cynso just shy of 6 hours until your alarm goes off
20:00.51cynI take it it was supposed to go off a few mins ago
20:01.17NetNut404_Workyeah I can run another test bu I think it's because the UTC on the konsole
20:01.27kergoththat date +%s is in konsole, not Console?
20:01.29kergoththat is, within opie?
20:01.36kergothif so, run set|grep TZ
20:02.05NetNut404_Workoh
20:02.11NetNut404_WorkI did in a ssh window
20:02.20kergoththats completely different.
20:02.31kergothTZ wont be set in that environment, and opie doesnt touch localtime
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20:02.53cynwell, in any case, the format in that file is valid
20:02.54NetNut404_Workit lists 1055880184 on the konsole
20:03.06cynthey match
20:03.14kergothset|grep TZ
20:03.21cynso htf did one get tied to one timezone and the other another
20:03.43cynnah, this just has to be a display issue that's confusin us
20:03.52cynotherwise alarm wouldn't go off when ya turn it on
20:03.56NetNut404_Workno TZ set
20:04.02NetNut404_Workwhere do you set that?
20:04.06kergothopie's launcher sets TZ as soon as it starts.
20:04.11NetNut404_Workhmmmm
20:04.12kergothin the initialization c code
20:04.18cynwell
20:04.22cynhold on a sec
20:04.25NetNut404_Workthen why does konsole not know it
20:04.30cynNetNut404_Work: "export TZ" "set | grep TZ"
20:04.43kergothwont help, export doesnt help him at that level
20:04.52kergothif it wasnt exported, its already too late
20:04.57cynmy .bash_profile hides some things
20:05.21cynahhhh set shows them all
20:05.22kergothyes, and your login shell loads that file to set the vars
20:05.24cynenv hides some things then
20:05.25kergothyes
20:05.47NetNut404_Worklol
20:05.49kergotha var is always set in the current shell. export defines whether or not it gets included in the env of further binaries you spawn
20:05.55kergothnot the behavior of the current shell
20:06.04NetNut404_Workso where should I set TZ then since it isn't knowing it?
20:06.29kergothNetNut404_Work: go into the date/time app
20:06.36kergothNetNut404_Work: set the timezone
20:06.37kergothNetNut404_Work: hit ok
20:06.45kergothNetNut404_Work: then check locale.conf in ~/Settings
20:06.52kergothNetNut404_Work: confirm the Timezone field is set
20:06.58NetNut404_Workk
20:07.10kergothheh, n m
20:07.14kergothit sets it regardless
20:07.16kergoth<PROTECTED>
20:07.16kergoth<PROTECTED>
20:07.16kergoth<PROTECTED>
20:07.16kergoth<PROTECTED>
20:07.18kergoth<PROTECTED>
20:07.20kergoth<PROTECTED>
20:07.23kergoth^^
20:07.34cynso just opening and closing the date/time app should do it
20:07.40kergothless, starting opie
20:07.46cyn!
20:07.48kergothwill cause the launcher to default to new york and save it for later
20:07.48cynso htf isn't it
20:07.49cynheh
20:07.54kergothheh
20:07.58NetNut404_Workhmm where is that.. maybe I should change it to PST in there lol
20:08.07kergothNetNut404_Work: cat ~/Settings/locale.conf
20:09.53kergothNetNut404_Work: thats main.cpp in core/launcher/
20:09.53kergothheh
20:09.53kergothto answer your question
20:09.53NetNut404_Worksetting time
20:09.57NetNut404_Work[Language]
20:09.57NetNut404_Work[Location]
20:09.57NetNut404_WorkTimezone = America/Los_Angeles
20:10.27NetNut404_Workyet still TZ is not set
20:10.44kergothterminate opie and start it again, then check TZ again.
20:10.52NetNut404_Workjust rebooted
20:10.54kergothare you checking this from a konsole started *within* opie's launcher
20:10.55kergothright?
20:11.01NetNut404_Workthat's why it took so long
20:11.03kergothnot by typing 'konsole' in yoru ssh session
20:11.07kergothit *must* be started by the launcher.
20:11.45NetNut404_Workoh
20:11.47kergothheh
20:11.48NetNut404_Workok it's there
20:11.49kergothPEBKAC
20:12.00NetNut404_Work?
20:12.03ljp_laptop?
20:12.26kergothproblem exists between keyboard and chair.
20:12.32trekeProblem Exists Between Keyboard and Chair
20:12.36kergothso TZ is set, now what does date +%s output?
20:12.37NetNut404_Worklol
20:12.48NetNut404_Workso back to the problem...
20:12.54trekekergoth: opie doesnt set TZ afaik
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20:13.07kergothcyn: and people wonder why we dont do support in #openembedded. talk about polluting the chan :P
20:13.11kergothtreke: yeah it does
20:13.24kergothtreke: it should be changed to alter localtime link.. cause right now it doesnt play nice
20:13.24ljp_laptopYGAYSA
20:13.29kergothljp_laptop: i dont want to know
20:13.35trekeljp_laptop: STFU
20:13.37NetNut404_Worklol
20:13.54NetNut404_WorkAAAANNNYYYWAAAAYY
20:14.00ljp_laptopMWSATLTN
20:14.16ljp_laptopH!TIKOF
20:14.24NetNut404_Workso what's the deal with the resume not happing on it's own then?
20:14.52kergothNetNut404_Work: once again, date +%s
20:15.04kergothlets see what it says now
20:15.34NetNut404_Workalready told you that
20:15.45kergothno, you didnt.
20:15.51kergothnot within the shell that has your damn tz set
20:16.00NetNut404_Work1055880945
20:16.02kergothits a little hard to debug your problem if you dont follow instructions
20:16.19kergothlets see, what other possibilities.
20:16.23NetNut404_WorkI answered that after you told me to do from the konsole
20:16.25kergothdoes /dev/rtc exist?
20:16.36kergothNetNut404_Work: yes, you ran it from your messed up konsole that didnt have TZ set
20:16.39kergothNetNut404_Work: which is worthless.
20:16.47kergothanyway, next.
20:17.01ljp_laptopHTTH?
20:17.12kergothljp_laptop: KISSMYASS
20:17.17ljp_laptop:)
20:17.29trekeljp_laptop: GTHAD
20:17.55NetNut404_Workyeah it's there
20:18.26NetNut404_Workcrw-r-----    1 root     root      10, 135 Jun 17 20:07 /dev/rtc
20:19.19NetNut404_Workactually 13:07 from konsole..
20:20.16trekeNetNut404_Work: cat /dev/rtc
20:21.35NetNut404_Worknever returns
20:21.43trekegood
20:22.10NetNut404_WorkI could vi the file but it looks empty.. (obviously no save
20:24.14NetNut404_Workwhat I don't get is what happened that the patched binary fixed the problem, but only for a day
20:25.27NetNut404_WorkHEY!! it works again!!!! WHY!?!?!?!?!
20:25.38kergothlol
20:26.00NetNut404_WorkI hate problems that go away, with know knowledge as to why
20:26.23NetNut404_Workwe didn't do anything
20:27.17NetNut404_Workso why is TZ not set from a ssh window?
20:28.15trekeNetNut404_Work: because it isnt running within opi
20:29.08trekeNetNut404_Work: OPIE sets the environment for its children at startup, and part of that environment is the timezone
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20:50.46fdaskanyone here do recording on their Z?  i can't seem to get opierec working properly... :(
20:51.35dmueller_hmm
20:55.58truhow to get escape on the c700 keybord? :)
20:56.04truvi is hard without it :)
20:57.34kergothcancel probably
20:57.48cynya cancel
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21:20.54Solar[X]Question: does loading a CF card on OZ 3.2 take so long because there's something in the software/hardware that's causing it, or is the label just blocking any input?
21:21.51trekethe label blocking input
21:21.53treke?
21:22.19Solar[X]The one that says "New card blah blah"
21:22.34ljp_laptopno.
21:22.34Solar[X]Could be that it's always on top and therefore blocking input for a few seconds.
21:22.59Solar[X]So it's hardware?
21:23.11Solar[X]Or software in combination with hardware?
21:23.16trekeits software
21:23.32Solar[X]When's it going to be fixed? ;)
21:23.51trekewhen you fix it
21:24.35Solar[X]Ok at least give me some hints on what's causing it.
21:24.39trekeopie
21:25.25ljp_laptopnot opie
21:27.14Solar[X]Glad you agree on that :S
21:28.00ljp_laptopits not the applet
21:28.27Solar[X]Is it card services or something?
21:28.51Solar[X]Or something indexing the card?
21:29.04ljp_laptopboth
21:29.28trekeit's not the applet, it's opie scanning the contents of the card
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21:30.48PURDooMHey all
21:30.57PURDooMI tried putting the sharp rom back on my zaurus
21:31.02PURDooMand now i have no boot loader
21:31.05PURDooMany help?
21:31.30kergothwhat makes you think you dont have a bootloader?
21:31.39PURDooMi cant flash anymore
21:31.45PURDooMno lights come up
21:31.45cynheh
21:31.47trekeif you really have no boot loader you are fucked, but you probably do have one
21:31.54cynwell
21:31.55ljp_laptopI am afraid you will have to send your zaurus to me
21:32.03PURDooMdarn
21:32.04cyndid anything go wrong when you went to flash with sharprom PURDooM
21:32.12PURDooMnot that i know of
21:32.18cynlike, flash from battery, power went out
21:32.23cynthen it's probably fine
21:32.25PURDooMfollowed instructrions to the letter with a 32 mb sandisk cflash card
21:32.34cynsame card you put OZ on with?
21:32.55PURDooMyes
21:33.13PURDooMi used a flashreader to store the rom
21:33.22PURDooMoh well
21:33.37cynpull battery and ac, let it sit a bit, and retry
21:33.43cyn15mins or so
21:33.50ljp_laptoppushed the reset button after your flashed it?
21:33.56PURDooMyep
21:33.58PURDooMoh well
21:34.12kergothfollow cyn's recommendation
21:34.16kergoththats your last ditch attempt
21:34.16kergothheh
21:34.41PURDooMmy plan is to 'buy' a zaurus,  and retrun the deffective one
21:34.43cynwow I was just putting that out there as placebo advice to get rid of people
21:34.50PURDooMis it possible to remove the rom chip?
21:35.03cynI mean, it seemed like it would be the logical attempt, but I hadn't confirmed it
21:35.15cynPURDooM: opening the zaurus is not the way to fix it
21:35.29cynopening it is the fastest way to ensure you bricked your zaurus
21:35.37PURDooMit is if your only other alternative is to send it to sharp for $90
21:35.40Twiunand void any warranty
21:35.50cynis $90 cheaper than a replacement?
21:35.55PURDooMwhats warenty: :p
21:35.57cynbecause that'll be your solution if you open it
21:36.11kergothdo *not* open your zaurus
21:36.15kergothgo call sharp tech support.
21:36.19cynletting it sit without power for 15 minutes costs nothing
21:36.25kergothyep
21:36.59PURDooMhmm\
21:37.17ljp_laptopafter that, plug in the power and le4t it charge a bit
21:38.55trekePURDooM: your plan is a shitty one
21:38.58PURDooMwell i need to go eat food
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21:39.20treke"I broke it so I'm going to rip off the place I bought it from"
21:40.09kergoth"yeah! then they'll up their prices to swallow the loss and fuck everybody!"
21:40.14kergothidiocy
21:45.55cynman
21:46.09cynI bought an open box ati all-in-wonder 7500 some time back
21:46.11cyngot home
21:46.17cynand it was some old ass ati card
21:46.21cynthat's low
21:46.25ljp_laptophehehe
21:46.50cynit had all the cables and stuff too tho
21:47.08cynthe guy literally bought the new one, swapped it out, dusted/cleaned his old cables - boxed 'em up and slapped it back in
21:48.15fdaskit was open box and you didn't have a look b4 purchasing?
21:48.54cynthey reseal them
21:49.12cynbut yeah now I do
21:49.37cynI mean, I was able to return it - I had been in recently so I knew it had recently been put on the shelves, and I bought with my CC so it's not like they'd have trouble tracking me down
21:49.53fdaskaah nice.
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23:26.35bobbydhi
23:27.00bobbydi'm trying to compile using gcc on the zaurus, but it complains that it cant find crt0.o at link time
23:27.09bobbyddoes anyone know how to fix this?
23:27.31bobbyd(i also dont think the standard library is there, is there a package for this?)
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23:40.01_fishyIs TxImage OZ compatible?
23:40.12kergothshould be
23:41.25_fishyok :)
23:41.47_fishywasent sure cuz it isnt in the feed :)
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23:44.52dmueller_howdy
23:46.04thomax23hi frau oder herr mueller
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