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| 00:18.28 | *** topic/#openzaurus is OpenZaurus project - now a component of the larger Open Embedded infrastructure | Developers welcome in #openembedded | http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?s=5be76b086a395e018104222ab77fc215&act=ST&f=27&t=3668 <- cheap c7x0 with warranty |
| 00:19.33 | fdask | treke: i made a link. this got opierecord started, but now it won't record. i think this might have something to do with missing stuff in the older .o? |
| 00:20.24 | fdask | ioctl("SNDCTL_PCM_READ_BITS"): invalid argument |
| 00:20.52 | fdask | i'm getting stuff like that after hitting record. the program sets everything up right, but simply won't read from the input. |
| 00:53.06 | djr | kergoth: ok, that was it... i have it set to do the boot from SD thingy... so i had /dev/mmcda1 as / and /mnt/card... so i just did umount /mnt/card... and it got rid of alllll the stuff in documents |
| 00:56.19 | kergoth | djr: thing is, it follows symlinks.. |
| 00:56.25 | kergoth | djr: thats why you get mulitple appearances of files |
| 00:57.02 | kergoth | djr: fyi, we're usually in here, just isnt discussion until people ask a question |
| 01:00.19 | djr | k, thanks |
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| 03:01.43 | NetNut404_PDA | well the zaurus is still not wakeing from suspend on appointments |
| 03:02.05 | kergoth | NetNut404_PDA: again? |
| 03:02.16 | NetNut404_PDA | yeah |
| 03:02.23 | kergoth | odd |
| 03:02.51 | NetNut404_PDA | I must have just thought it worked last time... either that or it's intermittent |
| 03:03.31 | NetNut404_PDA | i have soooo many test appoitments in my calendar at this point |
| 03:05.58 | NetNut404_PDA | it's a enoungh to drive ya crazy trying to figure what causes this |
| 03:06.15 | kergoth | its too late and i'm too caffeine deprived to debug it atm |
| 03:06.26 | kergoth | heh :\ |
| 03:07.03 | TheMasterMind1 | i read about some calander thing in the faq |
| 03:07.19 | TheMasterMind1 | if you don't have a alarm set after the one that supposed to go off |
| 03:07.22 | TheMasterMind1 | it doesn't work |
| 03:07.26 | TheMasterMind1 | something like that |
| 03:07.29 | kergoth | weird |
| 03:07.51 | NetNut404_PDA | hmm searching 4 it now |
| 03:07.58 | TheMasterMind1 | i approed it the other day |
| 03:09.48 | TheMasterMind1 | This is a bug in opiealarm. It is triggered by having a calendar alarm go off once, then having no more alarms in the future. |
| 03:09.58 | TheMasterMind1 | faq 240 |
| 03:10.07 | TheMasterMind1 | http://www.opie.info/mantis/view_bug_page.php?f_id=0000846 |
| 03:10.18 | kergoth | sounds exactly like what NetNut404_PDA's seeing |
| 03:10.25 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:11.40 | NetNut404_PDA | yep..works once.. then nothing else works ever again |
| 03:12.07 | kergoth | i'd try an opiealarm from recent opie cvs |
| 03:12.12 | kergoth | zecke fixed like 3 bugs |
| 03:12.30 | chouimat|Zzzzz | night |
| 03:12.34 | TheMasterMind1 | go zecke! |
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| 03:18.19 | NetNut404_PDA | do they have binarys in their cvs? |
| 03:18.41 | kergoth | nope |
| 03:19.21 | [DrEvil] | blah |
| 03:19.23 | NetNut404_PDA | doh.. never did get setup to cross-compile |
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| 04:34.10 | jshare_ | anyone know if there is badness w/ the graffiti handwriting charset? |
| 04:34.17 | jshare_ | because now my Z won't boot |
| 04:34.31 | jshare_ | it just sits on the yelling penguin screen |
| 04:34.43 | jshare_ | the cursor flashes about 3 times, and then goes away, then it sits there |
| 04:34.53 | jshare | also |
| 04:35.11 | jshare | is there a keystroke to interrupt it while booting? |
| 04:37.11 | jshare | ah, no one here? |
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| 04:50.34 | jshare | is there any way to boot to a console so i can edit files w/o getting into qpe (which is hosed on my Z) |
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| 07:20.17 | Zxcvb | how do I make opieplayer do shoutcast? |
| 07:27.25 | Zxcvb | yeiazel: do you use wireless on the Z? |
| 07:28.41 | yeiazel | yes |
| 07:30.46 | Zxcvb | yeiazel: how do you access your mp3s? |
| 07:32.10 | tru | nfs mount? :) |
| 07:33.38 | yeiazel | mp3s ? |
| 07:33.44 | yeiazel | 1) I use oggs |
| 07:33.54 | yeiazel | 2) I read them on my "sound server" |
| 07:34.00 | Zxcvb | yeiazel: how? |
| 07:34.22 | Zxcvb | yeiazel: samba, nfs, some way to mount directories via ssh? |
| 07:34.39 | yeiazel | what "how" ? have you ever asked me if I played them on the Z !? |
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| 07:35.34 | yeiazel | there's no point in using a crappy stereophonic chip when you have a 5.1 thx system digitally connected to your sound blaster live... |
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| 08:37.22 | jaku | hi! |
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| 09:02.01 | BaTfInK | Hi Guys |
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| 09:08.53 | BaTfInK | may be a thicko question, but I am a newbie, but how can I determine the ROM I installed? I ask as I have run out of space. I noticed that the root only has 14mb assigned which is all assigned :( |
| 09:10.32 | Twiun | the system info app has that information on the last tab |
| 09:13.02 | Twiun | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:14.44 | BaTfInK | it tells me that 3.2 is installed, though the rom structure not i.e memory, storage config |
| 09:16.23 | fdask | one of the other panes of the system info should say |
| 09:16.44 | BaTfInK | the system info app tells me first that total memory is 64mb, though storage for /dev/root is 14MB and full |
| 09:17.05 | Twiun | ok, so you had the 64-0 kernel |
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| 09:17.26 | Twiun | and installed all your apps to the root destination |
| 09:17.31 | Twiun | hence why it's now full |
| 09:17.50 | BaTfInK | thought so, so 14mb is still a limit for source files and rest is for caching etc |
| 09:17.55 | BaTfInK | ok |
| 09:18.12 | fdask | its a hardware limit |
| 09:18.29 | fdask | u have the 64mb of ram, and then a flashrom |
| 09:18.32 | Twiun | the internal flash rom is 16mb=14mb initrd+kernel+bootloader |
| 09:18.33 | BaTfInK | the strange thing is I only have a few apps |
| 09:18.51 | BaTfInK | ok |
| 09:18.54 | Twiun | you have to remember that the base 3.2 initrd only has a small amount of space left |
| 09:19.08 | Twiun | 64-0 is meant to be used in conjunction with additional CF or SD storage |
| 09:19.25 | BaTfInK | you can get a lot more on with the sharp rom, but then again it is darn slow compared |
| 09:19.54 | Twiun | BaTfInK: that because the Sharp ROM uses RAM as extra storage |
| 09:20.14 | Twiun | this is what you get with 46-16 image on OZ for instance |
| 09:20.22 | BaTfInK | so I might as well revert back to a different storage config |
| 09:20.29 | BaTfInK | Twiun: true |
| 09:20.43 | Twiun | openzaurus.org does have this written down. |
| 09:20.53 | BaTfInK | yeah sorry, having a thick day |
| 09:21.53 | BaTfInK | I think I will have to use a different config, I can't afford an sd or cf card :( |
| 09:22.02 | BaTfInK | cheers Twiun |
| 09:22.12 | Twiun | CF cards are quite cheap nowdays |
| 09:22.33 | Twiun | but using ram is faster anyway :) |
| 09:22.39 | BaTfInK | is there anyway I can read about whether to buy a cf of sd? |
| 09:23.14 | Twiun | depends on your needs, CF is faster but obviously takes up the CF slot - which is used for many other IO devices |
| 09:23.24 | BaTfInK | Twiun: so you have different cards with different apps? Isn't that a pain? |
| 09:23.40 | Twiun | BaTfInK: I have 1 CF card permanently in the Z |
| 09:23.45 | Twiun | no hassle for me |
| 09:23.52 | Twiun | 64mb CF |
| 09:23.55 | BaTfInK | ok |
| 09:24.15 | Twiun | also have a 128mb MMC card, but that isn't seeing a lot of use atm ;) |
| 09:24.28 | Twiun | "64mb is enough for anyone!" |
| 09:24.38 | BaTfInK | 128mb MMC, is that SD? |
| 09:24.54 | Twiun | same card factor, different technologies |
| 09:25.12 | Twiun | but both work |
| 09:25.21 | BaTfInK | I really need to get up to speed on this, anywhere I can read about these technologies? |
| 09:25.56 | Twiun | hrm, short of googling for anything you don't understand, I don't know (check the oz faq first, of course :)) |
| 09:26.03 | BaTfInK | I think I may use my 64 CF card as an permenant apps card then, and when some money use a SD/MMC card for my MP3's, hows that sound |
| 09:26.19 | BaTfInK | will do Twuin |
| 09:26.31 | Twiun | if mp3's are all you're putting on it, that's fine. SD/MMC is a bit slow for movies though |
| 09:26.46 | Twiun | ymmv |
| 09:26.54 | BaTfInK | lol, movies on a Z, really, does it work |
| 09:27.26 | Twiun | I've managed to get a film just under 110mb, and yeah it was just about watchable - on MMC |
| 09:27.34 | Twiun | couldn't shrink it enough to fit the CF |
| 09:27.40 | BaTfInK | I will look at the prices of SD/MMC |
| 09:28.13 | BaTfInK | lol, I haven't really used the power of my Z yet, had it a year and all it has done is sit there |
| 09:28.30 | Twiun | BaTfInK: this is where I got my MMC: http://komplett.co.uk/k/kl.asp?AvdID=1&CatID=17&GrpID=12&t=1313&l=2 |
| 09:28.34 | BaTfInK | all takes time, and time I don't really have :( |
| 09:28.48 | Twiun | yeah, I know what you mean |
| 09:29.00 | Twiun | until I was made redundant last year, I was in the same way |
| 09:29.15 | Twiun | and suddently, I had all this free time ;) |
| 09:30.21 | BaTfInK | Twiun, I was made redundant a few years back from Gameplay, the time I was redundant I had to use all our savings to survive, now I have no money, but a great family |
| 09:30.22 | BaTfInK | :) |
| 09:30.57 | Twiun | lol, yeah, I'm tightening my finances atm, just did my budget and found out I was pissing away £200/month |
| 09:31.04 | BaTfInK | 128mb is that all MMC goes up to ? |
| 09:31.18 | Twiun | I'm not sure |
| 09:31.44 | BaTfInK | Twiun: been there, its great when you tighten the belt, means less beer for a while, but is cheaper :) |
| 09:31.46 | BaTfInK | ok |
| 09:32.01 | Twiun | BaTfInK: yeah, I'm sponging off my fiancee atm ;) |
| 09:32.15 | Twiun | BaTfInK: Fair's fair, she was doing the same to me when she was jobhunting :) |
| 09:33.13 | Twiun | yikes! Simply are selling 128mb mmc for £56 ex vat!?! |
| 09:33.22 | Twiun | I'm glad I bought at komplett |
| 09:33.29 | BaTfInK | twiun: sounds fair ro me :) |
| 09:33.59 | Twiun | BaTfInK: I used to work for RiverSoft |
| 09:34.04 | BaTfInK | yeah is a good price at Komplett, will possible need a 256 for mp3's |
| 09:34.09 | Twiun | BaTfInK: now looking at Cerillion and Nomura |
| 09:34.22 | BaTfInK | cool# |
| 09:34.41 | Twiun | but to be honest... I _hate_ jobhunting ;) |
| 09:35.23 | BaTfInK | you a developer then, which areas |
| 09:36.02 | Twiun | London pretty much covers it, yeah I'm a dev :) |
| 09:36.28 | Twiun | I contribute to OZ and jobhunt at the same time :) |
| 09:36.43 | BaTfInK | I am trying to become one, tall learning curve. Currently working as a QA Engineer, which does involve small dev projectsd |
| 09:36.51 | BaTfInK | nice one |
| 09:37.01 | BaTfInK | so C++ then |
| 09:37.12 | Twiun | lol, nope, not much C++ |
| 09:37.20 | Twiun | Java and mostly C atm |
| 09:37.33 | BaTfInK | really, ok, thought oz was in c++ |
| 09:37.47 | Twiun | Ahhh, separate OZ and Opie |
| 09:37.47 | Twiun | not the same thing |
| 09:38.02 | Twiun | Opie is the windowing environment - based on Qt, and that's C++ |
| 09:38.17 | Twiun | OZ is only a Linux distribution for the Zaurus |
| 09:38.22 | BaTfInK | oh sorry |
| 09:38.25 | Twiun | it includes Opie by default :) |
| 09:38.29 | BaTfInK | true |
| 09:38.45 | BaTfInK | so oz is largly C then |
| 09:39.02 | Twiun | like any other major linux distro - things are almost identical under the hood |
| 09:39.16 | Twiun | shell scripts and the like |
| 09:40.56 | Twiun | unfortunately, none of my work is in 3.2 - it wasn't ready for release |
| 09:41.06 | Twiun | so I can't amaze you with it :) |
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| 09:43.36 | BaTfInK | :) |
| 09:45.50 | BaTfInK | oh well my friend, better crack on at work. Hopefully we will speak again. I will reflash my OZ and start using the CF as an app card |
| 09:46.11 | BaTfInK | take care |
| 09:47.28 | Twiun | you too |
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| 12:15.43 | IvanoeZ | hi all! |
| 12:16.09 | IvanoeZ | i've a problem to install OZ 3.2 on my SL-5500 |
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| 12:18.29 | IvanoeZ | i've a problem to install OZ 3.2 on my SL-5500 |
| 12:18.46 | IvanoeZ | who could help me? |
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| 12:34.41 | chouimat | morning |
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| 13:35.39 | wardriver | i was using opieplayer2 last night and after choaking up on some large video file, when i played the next file, i was surprised to hear the audio coming out of the unit rather than the head phones! |
| 13:36.03 | BaTfInK | ? |
| 13:36.06 | wardriver | how can i use this internal speaker when I would like to? |
| 13:36.34 | BaTfInK | good question, I dont have a clue, sorry |
| 13:36.38 | wardriver | yeah the zaurus it self was playing the audio! which is odd since i didn't think the unit had an internal speaker for such other than beeps and bloops |
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| 13:38.51 | wardriver | ioctl anyone here familiar with them? |
| 13:44.42 | BaTfInK | u got me interested, if I can stay awake tonight I need to re-flash oz and will put a vid file on to test |
| 13:45.34 | wardriver | it is an error that would be hard to reproduce i suppose |
| 13:45.52 | wardriver | but basicaly i was going thru my pc via samba playing videos |
| 13:46.07 | wardriver | opieplayer2 choaked up and failed on one video |
| 13:46.21 | wardriver | and when i played the next one the sound was coming out of the unit rather than the headphones |
| 13:47.06 | wardriver | odd thing was that the samba share would just dissappear and when i went to remap it , the /home/dir was gone and could not be recreated |
| 13:47.13 | wardriver | so i had to make a new dir in /home and remap |
| 13:48.26 | Twiun | what Zaurus model? |
| 13:48.40 | Twiun | and what was the sound quality like? |
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| 13:51.09 | wardriver | 5500 and the quality was poor |
| 13:51.25 | wardriver | but desireable as sometimes i would like to use the unit rather than the head phones |
| 13:51.40 | Twiun | ok, that's a known quantity |
| 13:51.58 | Twiun | OZ includes a driver that assigns the piezo to a dsp device |
| 13:52.13 | wardriver | is there a utlitity that i can use to switch my audio desitination? |
| 13:52.40 | Twiun | atm it's done manually |
| 13:53.00 | Twiun | via the console |
| 13:53.42 | wardriver | what command do you issue to make this happen and how is it reversed? |
| 13:54.56 | Twiun | afaik, and from memory ;), you need to backup /dev/dsp to /dev/dsp_bak (for instance) and ln -s /dev/dsp1 /dev/dsp |
| 13:55.31 | Twiun | restoring only requires movind /dev/dsp_bak back to /dev/dsp |
| 13:55.47 | Twiun | try "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp1" to see what I mean |
| 13:57.58 | wardriver | ok now i have static noise coming out of my unit |
| 14:00.04 | wardriver | whar are dsp2 and 3? |
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| 14:04.06 | bobbyd | hi |
| 14:04.21 | bobbyd | anyone here use gcc on the zaurus under OZ ? |
| 14:05.55 | wardriver | cool thanks twiun |
| 14:06.17 | Twiun | wardriver: no prob |
| 14:06.47 | Twiun | wardriver: if you get a "device busy" message, make sure Opie's keyclicks/mouseclicks are switched off and restart opie |
| 14:06.52 | wardriver | when i reverse that... just copy dsp_bk to dps? i don't have to do anything with the link? |
| 14:07.01 | Twiun | just rm the link |
| 14:07.08 | wardriver | how do you rm a link? |
| 14:07.13 | wardriver | rm dsp? |
| 14:07.21 | Twiun | yup - make sure it's a link first :) |
| 14:07.34 | Twiun | don't want to have to recreate the device :) |
| 14:07.50 | Twiun | bobbyd: Sorry, nope |
| 14:08.03 | Twiun | bobbyd: I'd rather crosscompile - compiling on a Z is just too slow |
| 14:08.28 | wardriver | i've been tryin to get the gcc goin on my zaurus as well |
| 14:08.51 | wardriver | i still don't have my linux pc hooked up with an ethernet card |
| 14:09.20 | wardriver | rm dsp won't remove dsp1 the linked file will it? |
| 14:09.39 | cyn | shoudnt |
| 14:09.46 | Twiun | what cyn said :) |
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| 14:39.21 | mattcamp | Would it be practical to run Mozilla on the Zaurus, if X is used instead of Qt/Opie and Mozilla is the only application? Or is Mozilla such a memory hog that there would be little or no room for storage outside /dev/mtdblock0? |
| 14:48.19 | cyn | my guess would be you'd need all 64 ram for mozilla |
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| 14:53.52 | wardriver | is it better to run X than opie? |
| 14:57.25 | cyn | opie will use fewer resources |
| 14:57.43 | cyn | might be wiser to use opie + vnc and run mozilla on your desktop over vnc |
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| 16:25.17 | josh966 | hi folks ... fyi hsn.com has the sl-5500 available now at $199 ... http://www.hsn.com/cnt/prod/default.aspx?pfid=694341&club_id=694341&sz=0&sf=&dept=&cat= |
| 16:28.28 | NetNut404_Work | Hello |
| 16:54.37 | dmueller_ | id |
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| 18:11.43 | mattcamp | I just installed OZ and am booting it for the first time. |
| 18:12.28 | mattcamp | I'm noticing though that it's taking a while to start. |
| 18:12.41 | treke | you are very observant |
| 18:17.21 | mattcamp | Why does it take so long to start the first time? |
| 18:17.34 | kergoth | because its doing things like generating ssh keys |
| 18:17.36 | kergoth | isnt this in the faq? |
| 18:17.39 | kergoth | i'm pretty sure it is./ |
| 18:18.40 | mattcamp | OK, I'll look. |
| 18:19.03 | kergoth | good. looking there before asking here is good policy. |
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| 19:02.44 | wardriver | vnc works with opie? |
| 19:05.12 | treke | server or client |
| 19:06.08 | wardriver | either one |
| 19:06.22 | wardriver | i gave it a try and only got it to work marginably under qt |
| 19:06.34 | treke | they are two different questions |
| 19:06.47 | treke | vnc client works in opie |
| 19:07.08 | treke | the vnc server works outside of opie |
| 19:07.20 | treke | whether they get along or not, I dont know |
| 19:08.05 | fishy | hmm? |
| 19:08.14 | fishy | VNC server works fine with opie |
| 19:08.59 | NetNut404_Work | yes tget get along wonderfully |
| 19:09.05 | NetNut404_Work | er they |
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| 19:12.16 | NetNut404_Work | Kergoth.. you said you alerts wake from suspend just fine, what filesize does your opiealarm have? |
| 19:12.34 | wardriver | so vnc is for x but runs under opie? |
| 19:12.49 | NetNut404_Work | there is a vncserver for opie |
| 19:13.08 | fishy | wardriver: VNC wasent made for X |
| 19:13.19 | fishy | it works under windows, mac, etc |
| 19:13.43 | treke | actally It does make sense to say that it was made for X :p |
| 19:13.55 | fishy | http://zsi2.stonekeep.com/index.php?v=d&a=21 |
| 19:14.24 | Twiun | treke: right, but a remote framebuffer is pretty generic |
| 19:14.31 | treke | yeah |
| 19:14.41 | Twiun | treke: I remember using vnc for administering NT servers :) |
| 19:15.14 | treke | vnc use X key definitions to define wat keys strokes can be sent :p |
| 19:15.55 | NetNut404_Work | anyone ever set the vnc server for the Z to transfer the clipboard like it does with other vnc's |
| 19:16.29 | Twiun | never tried |
| 19:16.35 | treke | fbvnc works at the framebuffer level where there is no clipboard |
| 19:18.06 | NetNut404_Work | ahh |
| 19:18.20 | NetNut404_Work | good reason then |
| 19:19.56 | NetNut404_Work | so what is the actual item that reads /var/run/resumeat to wake the pda is that opealarm ? |
| 19:20.30 | wardriver | when i run vncserver my opie dumps to openzuaurs login |
| 19:21.25 | NetNut404_Work | where are you getting your vnc server from? |
| 19:21.31 | wardriver | look at that posted website Separate versions for SL-5500, SL-5600. DO NOT (!!!) INSTALL ON OPENZAURUS!!! |
| 19:22.12 | kergoth | wardriver: obviously |
| 19:22.20 | kergoth | wardriver: there are fb vnc server packages in the openzaurus feeds. |
| 19:22.32 | kergoth | wardriver: which i built after close discussion with the folks who run that posted website. |
| 19:23.06 | NetNut404_Work | kergoth: and they work quite well I might add :) |
| 19:23.48 | wardriver | well i'm running the zaurus-fbvncserver_0.1.1_arm.ipk and it dumps me to login... any ideas as to why? |
| 19:23.53 | kergoth | jesus |
| 19:23.54 | kergoth | yes |
| 19:23.54 | NetNut404_Work | that working vnc is one of the coolest / most useful things on the z |
| 19:23.59 | kergoth | you're using the wrong package!@#%!@^!@#$^@#! |
| 19:24.05 | kergoth | i just told you |
| 19:24.12 | kergoth | use the ones *IN THE OPENZAURUS FEEDS* |
| 19:24.16 | kergoth | that isnt in our feeds. |
| 19:24.22 | treke | wardriver: you know the part of the web page that says " DO NOT (!!!) INSTALL ON OPENZAURUS!!! |
| 19:24.26 | treke | " |
| 19:24.28 | wardriver | ok thanks i'm a little desne and it takes a direct statment |
| 19:24.30 | treke | there is a reason for that comment |
| 19:24.33 | wardriver | duh |
| 19:24.45 | kergoth | 14:25 < kergoth> wardriver: obviously 14:25 < kergoth> wardriver: there are fb vnc server packages in the openzaurus |
| 19:24.49 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.50 | kergoth | was apparently not direct enough. |
| 19:24.54 | Twiun | treke: they should add "... get it from the OZ feeds instead" |
| 19:24.57 | wardriver | i'm sorry |
| 19:25.27 | wardriver | which feed? |
| 19:25.37 | kergoth | wardriver: www.openzaurus.org |
| 19:25.40 | kergoth | wardriver: DOWNLOAD |
| 19:25.54 | kergoth | i dont really care which of the feeds. flip a coin. |
| 19:27.06 | fishy | lol |
| 19:27.13 | fishy | unstable! |
| 19:27.24 | fishy | be a risktaker! |
| 19:38.35 | fishy | hehe |
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| 20:23.28 | mattcamp | I was looking for a cross-compiler at http://www.openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/ (the link provided in the FAQ) and all I see there is the old directory, which doesn't contain the newer files listed in README. What happened to these newer packages (e.g. the one with gcc 2.95.4)? |
| 20:27.44 | treke | the ones in old work fine |
| 20:28.05 | treke | I I dont believe 2.95.4 was ever uploaded |
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| 20:37.02 | yakito | anybody could give some advices about how to work with a wifi CF card ? |
| 20:37.39 | tru | I just plugged it in |
| 20:37.45 | yakito | I have one, (SMC), and with wellreinter it detects networks, but what should I do once a net is detected |
| 20:38.43 | yakito | I shutdown the sniffer, but then what should I do to connect to a network |
| 20:38.59 | yakito | Is it possible that there is a network and that I can not connect ? |
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| 20:45.32 | yakito | [tru] how do you do to use the card ? |
| 20:46.22 | tru | yakito: well it detects and runs dhcp for me. |
| 20:47.22 | yakito | well is the sniffer ? |
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| 20:49.21 | yakito | and the DNS has to be setup ? |
| 20:50.35 | m1a1 | i got vnc runnin! but how do you get it so that it will accept the clicks you make on the screen? |
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| 21:30.53 | yakito | is it possible to change screen resolution on a Zaurus. I have seen a pocket pc that allows to change screen resolution |
| 21:31.09 | kergoth | c700 can do 320x240 or 640x480 |
| 21:31.15 | kergoth | c7x0 rather |
| 21:31.26 | yakito | and 5500 ? |
| 21:31.58 | djr | its either 240x320 or 320x240 |
| 21:32.09 | kergoth | heheh |
| 21:32.19 | treke | yakito: which pocketpc? |
| 21:32.28 | yakito | dell axim |
| 21:32.57 | yakito | It was possible to go up to 1024x768 |
| 21:33.06 | treke | urm |
| 21:33.07 | yakito | unable to use it, but cappable :) |
| 21:33.08 | treke | I doubt that |
| 21:33.45 | yakito | It was the same program that is used to rotate the screen |
| 21:36.14 | NetNut404_Work | anyone have any clue what to do about the zaurus not wakeing on appoinments if it's suspended ? |
| 21:38.11 | treke | yakito: Its probably faking it in software |
| 21:38.26 | treke | an lcd that and run that high would be really really expensive :p |
| 21:39.52 | yakito | There was another thing that socked me, it was 5 hours using it, pockect word, a little wifi and his battery was about 80% |
| 21:40.11 | yakito | I would really like my zaurus to behave like that :) |
| 21:41.02 | kergoth | yeah theres no way it was in 1024. definately faking it. scaling the display in software |
| 21:41.25 | cyn | nono |
| 21:41.27 | cyn | it's virtual |
| 21:41.48 | cyn | the display shows you a 240x320 window of a 1024x768 workspace |
| 21:42.07 | cyn | i think you can like 'zoom out' and it does some scaling and blending |
| 21:42.08 | treke | kergoth: fat lot of good that does you :p |
| 21:42.13 | kergoth | no kidding |
| 21:42.21 | cyn | ya it's like being stuck in vnc |
| 21:42.27 | cyn | not much gain |
| 21:42.31 | kergoth | if i have to tap my way over to it, what a fuckign waste of clicks |
| 21:42.34 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:42.41 | cyn | especially if its crap running natively on the pda |
| 21:43.00 | cyn | YAY WE CAN USE OUR DESKTOP APPS.. without modifying them... on this tiny screen...... err |
| 21:43.09 | cyn | haha |
| 21:43.21 | kergoth | cyn: i think i shouldnt have made it run every 5 minutes |
| 21:43.21 | kergoth | :D |
| 21:43.25 | kergoth | was just making sure it works |
| 21:43.25 | kergoth | heheh |
| 21:43.32 | treke | kergoth: you generated a booting ( though probably useless) image with it yet? |
| 21:43.54 | kergoth | treke: not yet. I'm doing an independent image builder next |
| 21:44.02 | kergoth | treke: what i'm going to do is, since i have this spiffy event system.. |
| 21:44.13 | kergoth | treke: i'll make the overall build success event spawn the image builder :) |
| 21:44.19 | treke | cool |
| 21:44.19 | yakito | is there any date for OZ 3.3.1 ? |
| 21:44.25 | kergoth | no date |
| 21:44.57 | hardwire | no dice |
| 21:44.58 | kergoth | treke: i figure we'll have one autobuilder running for each device (though there'll certainly be a lot of overlap between packages) |
| 21:45.04 | hardwire | no smoothie |
| 21:45.21 | yakito | OE is going in parallel with OZ |
| 21:45.23 | hardwire | no milk shake |
| 21:45.32 | kergoth | fucker. i want a milk shake |
| 21:45.32 | yakito | I am getting confused with OZ and OE |
| 21:45.33 | hardwire | no chedder |
| 21:45.38 | hardwire | no mustang |
| 21:45.50 | kergoth | OE is both an infrastructure, and the distributions built by that infrastructure |
| 21:45.51 | hardwire | no crazy hat haired people! |
| 21:45.58 | kergoth | OZ = openembedded/zaurus |
| 21:46.01 | hardwire | doobie doo doo doobidy doo |
| 21:46.21 | hardwire | die. |
| 21:46.33 | yakito | familiar will be related with OE ? |
| 21:46.40 | treke | no |
| 21:46.42 | kergoth | no |
| 21:46.45 | hardwire | no |
| 21:46.57 | treke | familiar does its own thing |
| 21:47.08 | hardwire | tippie ti |
| 21:47.36 | kergoth | http://openembedded.bkbits.net:8080/packages/anno/content/glibc-2.3.1.oe@1.5?nav=index.html|src/|src/content |
| 21:47.40 | kergoth | check that out |
| 21:47.47 | kergoth | that downloads, extracts, patches, builds, and installs glibc |
| 21:47.49 | yakito | :D Three no's :D |
| 21:48.15 | treke | kergoth: good lord thats simple |
| 21:48.28 | kergoth | course the install doenst install shit for files, you can see the FILES_libc6 var for the libc6 package only has one file in it :) |
| 21:48.35 | kergoth | but thats just cause i'm lazy and didnt put the whoel file list |
| 21:48.36 | treke | oh |
| 21:48.44 | treke | so that isnt equivalent to the existing makefile |
| 21:48.44 | kergoth | heheh |
| 21:48.49 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:49.15 | kergoth | once FILES_libc6 contains the list of all the files, it will be |
| 21:49.19 | kergoth | well that, and staging |
| 21:49.34 | kergoth | but i'm going to write a class, that uses the PACKAGES shit to decide what to install into staging.. a default staging handling |
| 21:49.38 | kergoth | handler rather |
| 21:52.52 | kergoth | we'll basically need to start implementing the functionality that debhelper does |
| 21:53.05 | kergoth | like the dh_ that sets deps based on the libs you actually linked against |
| 21:56.51 | mewyn | hrm... |
| 21:57.05 | mewyn | is there any way to make a string 7-bit clean? |
| 21:57.19 | mewyn | in python |
| 21:57.24 | kergoth | uh, what do you want to do with the chars that use the 8th bit? |
| 21:57.27 | kergoth | remove them? |
| 21:57.28 | kergoth | heh |
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| 21:57.36 | mewyn | that or dump the high order bit |
| 21:57.46 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:59.34 | mewyn | actually, it seems to be unicode |
| 21:59.48 | mewyn | bsddb isn't liking the unicode |
| 22:07.29 | mattcamp | Why is /mnt/ram an ext2 file system instead of jffs2? (Yes, I did search the FAQ.) |
| 22:08.14 | kergoth | I honestly dont know if jffs2 would work on an mtdram device |
| 22:08.34 | kergoth | its wear leveling certainly wouldnt gain you anything, given its ram, not flash. |
| 22:10.05 | mattcamp | So /dev/mtdblock6 and /dev/root are actually two different kinds of memory? |
| 22:10.30 | kergoth | what? |
| 22:10.37 | kergoth | root is flash |
| 22:10.40 | kergoth | ram is .. RAM |
| 22:10.45 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:10.47 | kergoth | yes, completely different. |
| 22:11.56 | mewyn | kergot: found it. string.encode("UTF-8") |
| 22:12.00 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:12.04 | kergoth | cool :) |
| 22:18.22 | NetNut404_Work | kergoth: Do you have any sugesstions on what I should try next to norrow down the no resume for alarms problem? |
| 22:19.21 | kergoth | NetNut404_Work: does it wake up for suspend with the sharp rom? i'm almost wondering if there's something up with your RTC |
| 22:19.22 | NetNut404_Work | Just to clarify it consistantly goes off at the right time.. It just won't see it unless I wake the pda |
| 22:19.56 | NetNut404_Work | yes it did.. and it also worked a few times with oz 3.2 |
| 22:20.44 | NetNut404_Work | replacing the opiealarm binary made a difference immediatly, but it only worked a few times.. and then I am back where I was |
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| 22:23.02 | NetNut404_Work | I also have the same problem on another zarrus as well (family member bought one as well) |
| 22:24.15 | NetNut404_Work | is it opiealarm that actually reads /var/run/resumeat to wake the pda? |
| 22:24.47 | kergoth | no |
| 22:24.49 | kergoth | well |
| 22:24.53 | kergoth | on suspend, opiealarm reads it |
| 22:25.03 | kergoth | then uses an ioctl on your /dev/rtc to tell the real time clock to awaken at that time |
| 22:25.06 | kergoth | then the Z suspends |
| 22:25.11 | kergoth | so something is going wrong in that path |
| 22:25.28 | NetNut404_Work | hmm |
| 22:26.26 | mewyn | this script is sloooooooooooow |
| 22:27.40 | NetNut404_Work | so what's the best way to tell where the failure is? |
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| 22:31.42 | mewyn | well, berkleydb is out of the question |
| 22:40.15 | mewyn | it made a 2M file into a 10M file! |
| 22:40.19 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:40.21 | kergoth | nice |
| 22:40.28 | mewyn | fuck. that. |
| 22:41.37 | mattcamp | What sort of database do you need? |
| 22:42.17 | mewyn | i think i may be doing something else |
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| 23:38.53 | m1a1 | anyone have any luck with vnc? |
| 23:45.48 | mattcamp | Yes. |
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| 23:48.31 | *** topic/#openzaurus is OpenZaurus project - now a component of the larger Open Embedded infrastructure | Developers welcome in #openembedded | http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?s=5be76b086a395e018104222ab77fc215&act=ST&f=27&t=3668 <- cheap c7x0 with warranty |
| 23:50.25 | TheMasterMind1 | m1a1: i just saw a bunch of new faqs about that.. |
| 23:50.42 | m1a1 | where at? |
| 23:50.48 | mattcamp | There's an init script that has to be run before you start Opie. In the .ipk for the Sharp ROM, it's called fbvncinput. I'll find out what it is for OZ (I just switched today). |
| 23:51.55 | m1a1 | thanks |
| 23:53.42 | mattcamp | Run "/etc/init.d/fbvncinput start" and then restart Opie if it's already running. |
| 23:56.28 | m1a1 | do you have to do the upper left click then lower right click deal or just go with it? |
| 23:57.27 | mattcamp | I assume you have to tap those corners; in any case, I don't suppose doing so would do any harm. |
| 23:57.51 | mattcamp | I know the instructions for the .ipk that you use with the Sharp ROM say to do that. |