| 00:01.22 | m1a1 | dang |
| 00:01.24 | m1a1 | i still get nothing |
| 00:01.50 | TheMasterMind1 | ugh |
| 00:01.54 | TheMasterMind1 | which ipk are you using |
| 00:02.03 | TheMasterMind1 | if its not the one from the oz feeds you deserve to be killed |
| 00:02.52 | treke | can we kill him anyway? |
| 00:02.59 | m1a1 | the one from oz |
| 00:03.12 | m1a1 | i can view the screen ok just can't send input to it |
| 00:03.27 | mattcamp | Does keyboard input work? |
| 00:03.42 | m1a1 | no |
| 00:04.17 | mattcamp | Then do an lsmod and make sure the kbdsim module is loaded. |
| 00:04.41 | m1a1 | my system seems a little odd and may be the problem, when i install something, i have to go rename the libs because they are looking for lib.so.1 and not lib.so.1.8.1 etc |
| 00:05.15 | m1a1 | the kbdsim module is not loaded |
| 00:05.28 | mattcamp | You ran "/etc/init.d/fbvncinput start", right? |
| 00:05.33 | treke | it is supposed to look for lib.so.1 |
| 00:05.38 | treke | and not lib.so.1.8.1 |
| 00:05.57 | treke | since lib.so.1.8.2 will work also along with lib.so.1.9.1 |
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| 00:06.00 | m1a1 | yes i ran the /etc/init.d/fbvncinput start |
| 00:06.20 | mattcamp | And what was the output from that command? |
| 00:07.08 | m1a1 | none |
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| 00:34.09 | NetNut404 | hmm after installing the opie-opiealarm ipk from testing the zaurus woke up like it should for 1 time. |
| 00:36.59 | NetNut404 | what patches have been applied to the opiealarm that is in testing ? |
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| 00:56.34 | m1a1 | ok got vnc install where it will run, had to install it to root |
| 00:56.46 | m1a1 | most stuff i can install to the sd card |
| 00:57.01 | m1a1 | but i have to go rename so of the libs to get them to work |
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| 01:09.43 | Zxcvb | anyone alive |
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| 01:15.30 | NetNut404 | nope.. just zombies in here |
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| 01:16.51 | Zxcvb | opie irc sure has come a long way |
| 01:17.55 | NetNut404 | has it? |
| 01:18.08 | NetNut404 | I have been using the same one for a long time |
| 01:19.39 | Zxcvb | using 3.2 stable |
| 01:21.03 | Zxcvb | can the z be physically damaged in software |
| 01:22.34 | mattcamp | Probably by doing "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mtdblock4 bs=1k count=10000" thousands or millions of times. |
| 01:22.52 | Zxcvb | heard about hatch |
| 01:23.26 | mattcamp | Huh? |
| 01:23.38 | Zxcvb | senator hatch |
| 01:24.06 | Zxcvb | wants to have viruses that physically destroy computers |
| 01:25.17 | Bala | only usable by copyright holders :) |
| 01:26.06 | Zxcvb | everyone is a copyright holder |
| 01:26.18 | Bala | i know.. thus the loop hole :) |
| 01:26.26 | Zxcvb | like my win.com program |
| 01:26.54 | Zxcvb | it just displays windoze sux on the screen |
| 01:27.22 | Zxcvb | but the license prohibits the riaa/mpaa from using it |
| 01:28.11 | Zxcvb | remember how the bsa system thought openoffice was a pirated ms office copy |
| 01:28.40 | Bala | yeah.. |
| 01:29.48 | Zxcvb | it is likely my virus could mistake the windows win.com for mine |
| 01:30.19 | Zxcvb | of course, only riaa/mpaa and their members need worry |
| 01:34.15 | m1a1 | here is where the most of my problems installing packages come from... ipkg: Cannot create symlink from ./usr/lib/lib.so.1 to 'lib.so.1.8.1': Operation not permitted |
| 01:34.21 | m1a1 | how do i make the operation permitted? |
| 01:34.58 | Zxcvb | installing to sd |
| 01:35.24 | m1a1 | yes |
| 01:35.31 | m1a1 | how'd ya guess |
| 01:35.59 | Zxcvb | is the card ext2 |
| 01:36.06 | m1a1 | hmmm |
| 01:36.11 | m1a1 | how could i determine that? |
| 01:36.54 | Zxcvb | run mount |
| 01:37.42 | m1a1 | its vfat |
| 01:38.15 | Zxcvb | that is the problem |
| 01:38.28 | m1a1 | well fashizie... how do i format it ? |
| 01:44.24 | mattcamp | Back up anything you want to keep, then unmount /mnt/card, use mke2fs (I don't know what hte device would be), and remount /mnt/card. Someone correct me if I'm missing something. |
| 01:44.52 | m1a1 | thanks |
| 01:47.44 | mattcamp | Does the Sharp ROM have this same problem? Does one have to reformat their CF or SD card using ext2 to install software on it with that ROM? |
| 01:50.07 | mattcamp | I don't know, because I don't have an SD card, and as soon as I got my CF card (tihs afternoon), I installed OZ. |
| 01:53.02 | Zxcvb | sharp is much worse |
| 01:53.20 | Zxcvb | many packages wont install to sd at all |
| 02:07.18 | m1a1 | thanks a ton mattcamp! |
| 02:07.35 | mattcamp | You're welcome. I'm glad I could help. |
| 02:08.05 | m1a1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:08.51 | mattcamp | There's got to be a better way though, because as soon as you reformat your CF or SD card using ext2, it becomes incompatible with devices that don't run Linux. |
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| 02:37.32 | mattcamp | m1a1: So how long have you been using the Zaurus and OZ? I'v ehad my Zaurus for less than a month and haven't used it much in that time. |
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| 03:09.42 | fiferboy | Hey, is there any word on a testing release for OZ 3.3.1? |
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| 04:01.16 | *** topic/#openzaurus is OpenZaurus project - now a component of the larger Open Embedded infrastructure | Developers welcome in #openembedded | http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?s=5be76b086a395e018104222ab77fc215&act=ST&f=27&t=3668 <- cheap c7x0 with warranty |
| 04:11.35 | m1a1 | the mouse clicks are working but when i click on the panel keys those don't work |
| 04:12.57 | m1a1 | the kbdsim shows up in lsmod as unused |
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| 04:15.13 | NetNut404_PDA | anyone alive in here? |
| 04:15.59 | mattcamp | m1a1: Which did you do first, start fbvncserver or run fbvncinput? |
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| 04:22.55 | fishy | does anyone have opera on their OZ? ( I Have a question about the toolbar ). |
| 04:23.54 | m1a1 | i ran fbvncinput, rebooted then ran the server |
| 04:26.24 | m1a1 | fishy i never could get the opera make ipk to work |
| 04:26.30 | m1a1 | how'd you do it? |
| 04:27.46 | fishy | hehe |
| 04:28.00 | fishy | I downloaded the IPK pre-made |
| 04:28.37 | m1a1 | dang |
| 04:28.45 | m1a1 | whats the url? |
| 04:42.58 | fishy | :) |
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| 04:53.22 | NetNut404_PDA | hmmmm |
| 05:02.17 | hardwire | NoNut404_MyPants |
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| 11:49.26 | bobbyd | hi |
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| 12:35.38 | dkhan | does 3.2 support pppd config now? |
| 12:49.36 | BaTfInK | Hi Guys, I have just come into some money. In a discussion with Twiun yesterday I will be rebuilding my OZ and install apps to CF and house my MP3's on an SD or MMC card |
| 12:50.14 | BaTfInK | My question is which type SD or MMC ? and any recommendations of make model etc to ensure compatibility with 5500 |
| 12:50.21 | BaTfInK | ? |
| 12:51.10 | Twiun | iirc there are issues with some models of SanDisk, but I don't know the details |
| 12:51.47 | BaTfInK | hi twiun |
| 12:51.52 | BaTfInK | ok |
| 12:58.35 | Twiun | BaTfInK: seen today's dilbert? |
| 12:59.16 | BaTfInK | nope |
| 12:59.40 | Twiun | http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2003304890619.gif |
| 12:59.43 | BaTfInK | also I wouldn't mind the card to house movies etc |
| 13:00.14 | BaTfInK | lol |
| 13:00.57 | Twiun | I felt it was very appropriate for any IT department :) |
| 13:01.05 | Twiun | so I ordered a print |
| 13:02.36 | BaTfInK | Memory - Secure Digital/MMC (£)Ex. VAT (£)Inc VAT |
| 13:02.36 | BaTfInK | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:02.51 | BaTfInK | LN3876 128MB ScanFlash Secure Digital (SD) Memory 39.00 45.82 |
| 13:03.04 | BaTfInK | why the big price difference? |
| 13:03.30 | Twiun | SD is a proprietary, supposedly secure, format - I'm sure there are license fees |
| 13:03.46 | Twiun | the Zaurus doesn't use the secure parts anyway |
| 13:03.51 | BaTfInK | proprietary to who? |
| 13:04.28 | Twiun | these guys: http://www.sdcard.org/ |
| 13:04.35 | BaTfInK | oh ok |
| 13:04.43 | Twiun | they've made it effectively impossible to write an open source SD driver too |
| 13:04.52 | Twiun | so OpenZaurus uses the one from the Sharp ROM |
| 13:05.26 | BaTfInK | so MMC is the best bet? |
| 13:05.35 | Twiun | in the long run, it seems so |
| 13:05.40 | BaTfInK | anywhere cheap to buy MMC in the uk? |
| 13:06.15 | Twiun | that komplett place is cheap - but I haven't searched that many places |
| 13:06.21 | Twiun | definately cheaper than simply |
| 13:10.09 | BaTfInK | expansys 128mb mmc £38.66 total |
| 13:18.34 | mithro | somebody in russia or somewhere sould write a Open Source SD Driver... |
| 13:18.58 | Twiun | I doubt it would help us much though |
| 13:19.08 | Twiun | we wouldn't be able to make the sources available |
| 13:19.17 | mithro | well you wouldn't be able to use it in OZ |
| 13:19.42 | mithro | but "people" could download an IPK (it would still be illegal though...) |
| 13:20.04 | Twiun | yeah, it's not a 'real' solution unfortunately |
| 13:20.31 | Twiun | now, if 'someone' could write a wrapper around the 2.4.18 SD driver that we can use going forwards, that's another matter |
| 13:20.43 | mithro | thhe real solution is to make an SD card comptible card which doesn't infringe on any patents |
| 13:21.30 | mithro | but that's impossible :) |
| 13:21.35 | Twiun | yup |
| 13:21.43 | Twiun | although as far as I'm concerned, mmc is just fine |
| 13:23.43 | mithro | it's not fast enought or big enough |
| 13:24.16 | mithro | havn't seen any MMC card bigger then 128mb |
| 13:24.43 | Twiun | the speed restriction is a hardware one afaik |
| 13:24.51 | Twiun | not the mmc format's fault |
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| 13:26.51 | mithro | o? from what i heard it was that MMC was only one line not 4 like SD |
| 13:28.32 | Twiun | I'm not an 'expert' on IO ;) |
| 13:28.37 | mithro | enither :) |
| 13:29.37 | mithro | anyway i should be in bed |
| 13:29.46 | mithro | in Australia SD is cheaper then MMC |
| 13:29.50 | Twiun | off with you :) |
| 13:31.17 | BaTfInK | expansys do a pack of 5 128 MMC for £152 |
| 13:33.06 | BaTfInK | actually expansys also sell CF 128mb for £20?? cheaper than MMC ??? |
| 13:33.12 | Twiun | yeah |
| 13:33.23 | Twiun | but the CF slot is so useful for other devices |
| 13:33.33 | Twiun | the mmc/sd slot can't do SDIO |
| 13:33.52 | mithro | can the C700's do it physically? |
| 13:33.59 | BaTfInK | SDIO ? |
| 13:34.34 | BaTfInK | I wont be using it for oother devices, and if cf is faster than mmc, then I may as well go for cf |
| 13:34.43 | Twiun | mithro: no idea |
| 13:35.01 | mithro | cf is alot faster but uses up alot more batteries |
| 13:35.02 | Twiun | SDIO is using the SD tech for other than storage - cameras, modems, bluetooth |
| 13:35.12 | Twiun | mithro: esp if you use a microdrive :) |
| 13:35.24 | mithro | yeah |
| 13:35.37 | mithro | although i saw a microdrive wiith internal battery the otherday |
| 13:35.48 | Twiun | interesting |
| 13:35.49 | BaTfInK | microdrive, as in platters? |
| 13:35.51 | Twiun | any links? |
| 13:35.58 | Twiun | BaTfInK: yeah, IBM microdrive |
| 13:36.02 | Twiun | BaTfInK: not flash |
| 13:36.03 | BaTfInK | wow |
| 13:36.09 | mithro | Twiun: it was by Toshiba i think... |
| 13:36.11 | BaTfInK | as in mini harddisk |
| 13:36.13 | mithro | but i could be wrong... |
| 13:36.16 | Twiun | yeah, 1gb iirc |
| 13:36.22 | BaTfInK | gees |
| 13:36.31 | Twiun | mucho expensive though |
| 13:36.36 | Twiun | and hot |
| 13:37.03 | mithro | better to get a 1gig flash cf card |
| 13:37.11 | BaTfInK | so mmc is still the best then for portability, especially using for mp3s |
| 13:37.21 | BaTfInK | well 128mb, that two albums |
| 13:37.32 | Twiun | you could also use ogg for encoding |
| 13:37.34 | Twiun | much smaller |
| 13:38.14 | BaTfInK | yeah, hasn't seemed to of caught on in p2p networks |
| 13:40.02 | mithro | you can reencode it easy enough |
| 13:40.03 | Twiun | hehe, probably because you need to encode from source to get the best quality - encoding from mp3 is horrible |
| 13:41.10 | BaTfInK | if you encode from mp3 is not advised, drops far to much |
| 13:41.11 | mithro | i'm not an audio geek |
| 13:41.22 | mithro | i encode my mp3's at very low rates |
| 13:46.09 | BaTfInK | Twiun: yesterday I said I had no money, today the Inland Revenue set me a cheque for £1000. Most will go to pay off the credit card though :( |
| 13:56.15 | Twiun | BaTfInK: hehe, good for you :) |
| 13:56.56 | BaTfInK | cheers, will help with debts greatly |
| 13:57.22 | Twiun | tell me about it, I'm cancelling lots of things today to save costs |
| 13:57.45 | Twiun | it's annoying that it's so easy to sign up for direct debits for things, but that you need to cancel in writing |
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| 14:04.50 | BaTfInK | very true, though least you know you have then and have prove of such |
| 14:05.18 | Twiun | I'd rather get proof that it'd been done sent to me :) |
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| 15:22.48 | NetNut404_Work | I didn't know pizza could sleep :) |
| 15:24.34 | mattcamp | Why do people leave their IRC clients open while they sleep anyway? |
| 15:25.17 | yeiazel | laziness ? |
| 15:25.53 | Twiun | I keep mine logged on and read the back buffer |
| 15:25.57 | BaTfInK | so they a log what has been said |
| 15:26.04 | BaTfInK | snap |
| 15:26.05 | yeiazel | same here (but only when I am hilighted) |
| 15:26.27 | Twiun | yeiazel: depends on channels... some I do the same, others I read everything |
| 15:26.44 | yeiazel | Twiun: when nobody speaks, yes, I read everything :) |
| 15:26.51 | Twiun | yeiazel: lol |
| 15:27.11 | Twiun | yeiazel: I mean, I read everything on #openembedded, but only stuff with highlighting in #zaurus |
| 15:27.30 | yeiazel | :) |
| 15:28.43 | dmueller_ | unf |
| 15:29.13 | mattcamp | Are binary XFree86 packages for OZ available anywhere, or do I have to compile X myself? |
| 15:29.59 | yeiazel | mattcamp: there is tinyx in the official feed |
| 15:30.33 | mattcamp | Cool, thanks. |
| 15:31.38 | mattcamp | Hmm, I don't see tinyx even in the unstable feed (http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/feed/) |
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| 15:35.36 | NetNut404_Work | unfortunatley.. no matter how stress releaving it may seem yelling at a pda to wake up does not appear to help, and might be a sign of insanity creeping in... lol |
| 15:39.01 | mattcamp | I found tinyx in the feed for version 3.1-rc3.1, but it looks like it was removed from 3.2 and later. |
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| 15:41.39 | kolla | howdy |
| 15:41.50 | kolla | anyone got good old prism2.o? |
| 15:45.48 | mattcamp | What is prism anyway? |
| 15:46.21 | kolla | mattcamp: wlan card |
| 15:46.26 | kolla | chipset |
| 15:46.29 | fishy | Wifi card chipset |
| 15:46.30 | fishy | ya |
| 15:46.51 | kolla | the new one is crap, the old one worked fine :P |
| 15:46.57 | kolla | driver that is |
| 15:47.06 | kolla | I want my old one back :) |
| 15:47.06 | kergoth | kolla: you do realize that prism2.o *is* hostap, right? |
| 15:47.12 | kolla | kergoth: yes |
| 15:47.14 | kergoth | kolla: it was an old version of the same driver. |
| 15:47.16 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:47.32 | kolla | since it was called hostap it's been acting up |
| 15:47.53 | kolla | I want to try the old original driver again |
| 15:48.24 | kergoth | the ipk *may* be out on openzaurus.org in the old stuff.. if not, grab old hostap cvs and build it :) |
| 15:48.32 | kolla | as it is, I have to stand 2m away from the AP to have a working signal |
| 15:48.59 | kergoth | odd |
| 15:49.02 | kolla | noone keeps old backups of the rom anymore? :) |
| 15:49.18 | kergoth | the old roms are probably around.. somewhere |
| 15:49.51 | kolla | and even when I do stand 2 meters away.. if I bring up the applet that shows the signal strength, it will go up and down like a rolercoaster |
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| 15:49.55 | kolla | roller... |
| 15:50.09 | kolla | and this happens both at home and here at work |
| 15:50.52 | fishy | kolla: dlink? |
| 15:50.59 | fishy | AP? |
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| 15:51.44 | kolla | fishy: doesnt matter if I use the d-link or smc |
| 15:51.57 | kolla | they both behave the same way, and they worked just fine earlier |
| 15:52.06 | kolla | Access Point |
| 15:53.12 | fishy | I stand 2 meters away and I dont even get 80% |
| 15:53.17 | kolla | right |
| 15:53.22 | kolla | and that's bogus |
| 15:53.47 | mattcamp | The tinyx package from OZ 3.1-rc3.1 works with OZ 3.2, so why was it pulled from 3.2? |
| 15:54.01 | kergoth | because it isnt packaged like that anymore |
| 15:54.11 | kergoth | we now use a newer version of X, and its packaged properly |
| 15:54.19 | kergoth | it just didnt make it into the feed build |
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| 15:56.04 | mattcamp | I'mstill not used to the /root directory being in writable flash memory; I transferred tinyx.ipk from my PC into /root instead of /mnt/ram -- much slower. |
| 15:56.42 | kergoth | so move your homedir into ram then, but remember then your data isnt persistant |
| 15:56.48 | kergoth | there are pluses and minuses to that. |
| 16:10.46 | mattcamp | I read last night that the lifetime of a flash memory chip is defined by the number of erases per block. So on the one hand, to prolong the life of the flash memory and thus the device, it seems that writes to the flash memory should be few and far between, thus suggesting a true ROM file system like cramfs. |
| 16:11.15 | mattcamp | On the other hand, if the battery runs down, do you lose everything that's in RAM? |
| 16:11.18 | kergoth | ibot: tell mattcamp on jffs2 |
| 16:11.20 | kergoth | yes, you do |
| 16:11.31 | kergoth | read the pdf on jffs2 on the url ibot told you about |
| 16:11.38 | kergoth | er |
| 16:11.39 | kergoth | stupid bot |
| 16:11.40 | kergoth | ibot: jffs2 |
| 16:11.41 | | somebody said jffs2 was at http://sources.redhat.com/jffs2/ or alien technology from that ufo crash in New Mexico in the 1940's |
| 16:14.48 | NetNut404_Work | any suggestions on what to look for on this pda not waking for alarns? |
| 16:15.22 | kergoth | my only suggestion at this point is try a recent opiealarm |
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| 16:24.28 | mattcamp | kergoth: Would JFFS2 be appropriate for CF and SD cards, or do they provide some kind of translation layer that includes wear levelling? |
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| 16:25.00 | kergoth | mattcamp: generally they'd do such a thing themselves. search the archives of the linux-mtd mailing list for details, I believe this has been discussed in the past. |
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| 18:04.45 | insomnia_ | thank god it's.. friday |
| 18:05.17 | jacopo | :) |
| 18:06.32 | ljp_laptop | not here. still thrusday |
| 18:06.43 | insomnia_ | shit ur right :) |
| 18:06.53 | insomnia_ | still thursday here as well |
| 18:07.10 | insomnia_ | i was dreaming ahead |
| 18:07.52 | insomnia_ | :) |
| 18:08.42 | insomnia_ | i'm also dreaming about a new kernel and oz 3.3 |
| 18:08.48 | ljp_laptop | its friday in brisbane |
| 18:09.09 | insomnia_ | lucky bastids |
| 18:09.28 | insomnia_ | they got it all made.. |
| 18:10.07 | tru | hm. :) |
| 18:13.32 | insomnia_ | ah master of puppets... |
| 18:13.40 | insomnia_ | still kix ass |
| 18:15.13 | insomnia_ | and justice for all.. |
| 18:15.20 | insomnia_ | :) |
| 18:16.36 | insomnia_ | anyone tried a 6 volt charger with sl-5500? |
| 18:17.07 | insomnia_ | i'm using 4.5 V now, the charging led lights up but it doesn't seem to charge |
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| 18:19.11 | NetNut404_Work | insomnia_: which charger you talking about? |
| 18:19.12 | insomnia_ | my car lighter adapter only has 4,5 and 6 volt options.. |
| 18:19.39 | insomnia_ | netnut404 cig lighter adapter in car.. |
| 18:20.50 | insomnia_ | z wants 5 V if i remember correctly |
| 18:20.56 | NetNut404_Work | the one I have is funky.. it says on the bottom that it's 12 volts.. but it's not.. it's 5.5 (if I remember correctly) |
| 18:21.09 | insomnia_ | ya |
| 18:21.42 | insomnia_ | well i'll just try 6 :) just wondering if anyone already fried their Z so i wouldn't have to :) |
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| 18:22.34 | insomnia_ | ya i should take a voltage measure on the adapter too |
| 18:23.34 | insomnia_ | xmms works great in car use though :) |
| 18:23.50 | insomnia_ | full control via the round pad |
| 18:26.59 | insomnia_ | mm i know i should get a life ;) |
| 18:30.34 | NetNut404_Work | that's what I did was measure the stock one, and this travel one, and they were identical |
| 18:30.45 | NetNut404_Work | but I got the travel charger for 6 bucks |
| 18:31.41 | NetNut404_Work | now if I could only get the pda to send me alerts of appointments when it's suspended |
| 18:32.14 | NetNut404_Work | I have no clue where to look to find the answer to this problem though |
| 18:33.09 | NetNut404_Work | tried patched binaries.. the ipk from testing.. still I can get it to work one time at most.. then it stops wakeing to alert you of the appointment |
| 18:33.31 | insomnia_ | hmm |
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| 18:33.52 | NetNut404_Work | if I manually wake the pda at the right time... the alert goes off when I wake it |
| 18:33.54 | insomnia_ | u checked the scripts in /etc/apm/ ? |
| 18:34.22 | NetNut404_Work | I wonder if having a locked screen makes a difference |
| 18:34.40 | NetNut404_Work | no didn't look there |
| 18:35.06 | insomnia_ | i think they control that stuff... hold on |
| 18:35.14 | NetNut404_Work | kergoth said something about a ioctl command being run to wake it |
| 18:35.55 | insomnia_ | especially /etc/apm/event.d/opiealarm |
| 18:36.09 | insomnia_ | ic.. im no expert by any means |
| 18:36.33 | bipolar | quit restarting |
| 18:36.40 | NetNut404_Work | hmmm |
| 18:36.40 | bipolar | oops |
| 18:36.52 | NetNut404_Work | I hav a 01opiealarm |
| 18:37.04 | insomnia_ | etc/apm/event.d/01opiealarm i mean |
| 18:37.14 | insomnia_ | cat it |
| 18:37.17 | NetNut404_Work | oh... had me sweatin there |
| 18:37.43 | NetNut404_Work | hmm script mentions a ipaq in the comments |
| 18:37.57 | NetNut404_Work | if [ "$1" = suspend ]; then |
| 18:37.57 | NetNut404_Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.05 | NetNut404_Work | elif [ "$1" = resume ] && [ "$2" != standby ]; then |
| 18:38.05 | NetNut404_Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.05 | NetNut404_Work | fi |
| 18:38.59 | insomnia_ | talks about RTC alarm.... |
| 18:39.16 | insomnia_ | real time clock i assume |
| 18:39.23 | NetNut404_Work | the weird thing is... it has worked a few times.. like right after I replaced the binary with the patched one |
| 18:39.45 | NetNut404_Work | but now I am running the binary that comes in the testing feed |
| 18:40.18 | NetNut404_Work | if I knew how to cross-compile I would compile the opiealarm off the opie cvs |
| 18:40.52 | NetNut404_Work | I never quite got the environment setup right |
| 18:43.31 | NetNut404_Work | http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/oz_website/faq/faq?id=240 |
| 18:44.34 | NetNut404_Work | that's what I saw that gave me the most info.. but I am still at a loss after trying the opiealarm at http://www.gingerbear.org/zaurus/ |
| 18:45.22 | NetNut404_Work | yeah it's suposed to do something with ioctl and /dev/rtc from what I understand |
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| 18:47.42 | NetNut404_Work | does anyone know if the latest opiealarm in the testing feed is patched with the patch at http://www.opie.info/mantis/file_download.php?f_id=0000053&f_type=bug ? |
| 18:50.04 | treke | no |
| 18:50.10 | treke | unless that was imported into cvs |
| 18:55.42 | NetNut404_Work | hmm how would I tell if that was imported into cvs? |
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| 18:59.06 | NetNut404_Work | now, if I am understanding that right then if that bug was my problem then the alarm would not be going off if a manually woke my pda at the correct time right? |
| 19:01.03 | mewyn | damn, i hate programming chans on irc |
| 19:01.18 | yeiazel | :) |
| 19:03.11 | mewyn | all they ever tout is RTFM. and god help you if you overlook one line in the manual |
| 19:08.30 | NetNut404_Work | now this is bizzare.. now it doesn't want to suspend untill I put in the screen lock password |
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| 19:10.02 | NetNut404_Work | I replaced the binary I had from the testing feed with the one from http://www.gingerbear.org/zaurus/opiealarm.2003-04-27.no-crash and rebooted, and now suspending doesn't happen untill I put in the screen lock password |
| 19:17.17 | bipolar | join #phpgroupware |
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| 19:27.03 | NetNut404_Work | what's #phpgroupware? |
| 19:47.52 | bipolar | NetNut404_Work: A PHP based Groupware Suite. |
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| 19:56.55 | NetNut404_Work | this is soooooo frustrating.. can't use a pda that can't remind ya of appointments |
| 19:57.36 | TheMasterMind1 | NetNut404_Work: didn't get it fixed still?? |
| 19:57.40 | TheMasterMind1 | NetNut404_Work: which opie are you using |
| 19:57.56 | NetNut404_Work | whatever came in 3.2 stable |
| 19:58.15 | TheMasterMind1 | try upping to 0.9.9 |
| 19:58.21 | TheMasterMind1 | thats supposed to be a lot better anyway |
| 19:58.28 | TheMasterMind1 | and i bet they fixed alarms |
| 19:58.37 | kergoth | like i said, zecke fixed 3 bugs in opiealarm |
| 19:59.08 | NetNut404_Work | is there a walkthrough on upgrading to 0.9.9 ? |
| 19:59.16 | kergoth | read the mailing list archivfes |
| 19:59.17 | kergoth | archives |
| 19:59.24 | TheMasterMind1 | its all over the ml |
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| 20:05.05 | mewyn | kergoth: are you continuing with OZ, or are you gonna fully switch everything to OE? |
| 20:05.59 | TheMasterMind1 | eh |
| 20:06.04 | TheMasterMind1 | what kind of question is that |
| 20:06.42 | kergoth | OZ is OE |
| 20:06.48 | kergoth | OZ is OpenEmbedded/Zaurus |
| 20:07.01 | kergoth | we're just using an old incarnation of the oe buildsystem. our original hackish buildroot |
| 20:07.07 | kergoth | and we're moving to a new build infrastructure |
| 20:07.10 | mewyn | ah |
| 20:07.34 | kergoth | OpenEmbedded is two things, which is why its confusing |
| 20:07.44 | kergoth | it is both an infrastructure, and distributions produced by that infrastructure |
| 20:07.55 | cyn_ | but uhm before the move you'll release 3.3 or 3.4 right |
| 20:08.03 | kergoth | 3.2.5 before the switch |
| 20:08.05 | kergoth | 3.3.x after |
| 20:08.20 | cyn_ | after then? |
| 20:08.25 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:08.29 | kergoth | okay, 3.3.2+ |
| 20:08.41 | cyn_ | :) cheers! |
| 20:08.47 | cyn_ | wait, doh! |
| 20:08.53 | cyn_ | progress is progress |
| 20:09.08 | kergoth | so 3.2.5 comes out after 3.3.1, and 3.3.1 never officially released |
| 20:09.11 | kergoth | isnt versioning fun? |
| 20:09.12 | kergoth | :D |
| 20:09.23 | cyn_ | hell yea |
| 20:09.29 | cyn_ | </computer boy> |
| 20:10.00 | cyn | I heard someone did for matrix reloaded what 'computer boy' did for the matrix, tho it was different people - anyone hear about that? |
| 20:14.45 | mewyn | computer boy? |
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| 20:34.45 | stain | uh.. forget me for being stupid, but how do I download anonymously the sources from linux-cl.bkbits.net with bitkeeper? |
| 20:35.05 | stain | I tried.. |
| 20:35.05 | stain | beist:/tmp/blapp$ bitkeeper/bk clone anonymous@linux-cl.bkbits.net:/linux-arm-2.4-collie |
| 20:35.08 | stain | anonymous@linux-cl.bkbits.net's password: |
| 20:36.12 | kergoth | no anonymous |
| 20:36.20 | kergoth | http://linux-cl.bkbits.net/linux-arm-2.4-collie |
| 20:36.31 | kergoth | by using the this@that:/path format, its forcing ssh. you dont want that |
| 20:36.38 | kergoth | also, bk help url will show you the various url forms |
| 20:36.47 | stain | ah, tnx |
| 20:36.57 | stain | didn't know of url magic =) |
| 20:37.09 | stain | I was thinking of looking into the SL-5600-thingie |
| 20:37.11 | kergoth | bk supports a number of ways of checking something out, similar to cvs |
| 20:37.13 | kergoth | just different format |
| 20:37.21 | stain | how much have you managed to get to work? |
| 20:37.24 | kergoth | that tree is collie. 5600 = poodle. c700 = corgi |
| 20:40.15 | stain | there is no poodle .. *sniff* |
| 20:41.37 | mewyn | what's the next one? retriever? |
| 20:41.48 | mewyn | shih tzu? |
| 20:42.00 | stain | my family's got a japanese spitz, how about spitz? =) |
| 20:42.20 | stain | you could just go *spit* |
| 20:42.32 | kergoth | stain: I plan on merging the corgi and poodle support into my Zaurus tree, and rearchitecting some of their drivers to see abuot getting them accepted upstream.. |
| 20:42.38 | kergoth | stain: but i've got a lot of shit on my plate atm |
| 20:44.20 | stain | kergoth: mm mm.. let's hope you don't do a Dougles Adams.. =) |
| 20:44.53 | stain | <-- currently reading the The Salmon of Doubt |
| 20:45.20 | kergoth | how is it? |
| 20:47.11 | stain | quite funny at times, but it's all mixed up with different notes and letters, ranging from stories from his childhood, small notes about this and that, to large articles about going to Australia just to do a race competition subwater between a subjet and a rock (you know, those large fishes that looks like waving flags) |
| 20:47.36 | stain | I haven't started on the part with novel chapters yet |
| 20:48.00 | stain | but all in all a nice way to get to know him |
| 20:48.05 | kergoth | cool |
| 20:48.09 | kergoth | maybe ill pick it up |
| 20:53.39 | stain | but the collie won't work at all with 5600, because all the good stuff is on your disk, right? |
| 20:53.53 | kergoth | its completely different hardware wise |
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| 20:53.58 | kergoth | 5600 and 5500 that is |
| 20:54.04 | kergoth | they share like -one- supporting chip |
| 20:54.06 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:54.12 | kergoth | hey hardwire |
| 20:54.37 | hardwire | hey sexy |
| 20:54.43 | kergoth | how goes it? |
| 20:54.51 | hardwire | just moved my office into the kitchen |
| 20:54.58 | hardwire | we lost our kitchen table to a moving out roomate |
| 20:55.01 | kergoth | so now you can hack & eat simultaniously? |
| 20:55.03 | kergoth | ah |
| 20:55.06 | hardwire | no |
| 20:55.12 | hardwire | now I can hack and not sweat profusely |
| 20:55.21 | hardwire | and.. I can breathe |
| 20:55.21 | cyn | woo |
| 20:55.25 | kergoth | ah thats helpful |
| 20:55.25 | hardwire | not enough ventelation in my room |
| 20:55.34 | cyn | into kitchen or into dining area of kitchen or dining room? |
| 20:56.04 | cyn | shit speaking of kitchen, I gotta slap some food out and cook it, goin to a LUG meetin tonight to find some local geeks now that I'm settled in |
| 20:56.14 | hardwire | into the dining area which is mainly used to store shit.. that is conjoined with the kitchen |
| 20:56.33 | hardwire | right below the kitchen fan |
| 20:56.35 | hardwire | ;) |
| 20:56.36 | hardwire | err |
| 20:56.37 | hardwire | dining room fan |
| 20:56.53 | hardwire | i'm gonna get fat sitting here. |
| 21:04.43 | hardwire | anybody here on a mac.. and got safari? |
| 21:16.21 | NetNut404_Work | hmm upgrading opie-irc from the opie feed too.. forgot that was there |
| 21:24.58 | stain | is it possible to use opie without having oz..? Just getting in libopie? |
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| 22:40.44 | tarball | Has anybody had any luck running on OZ3.2? |
| 22:40.56 | kergoth | .. |
| 22:40.59 | kergoth | running what on oz 3.2? |
| 22:41.31 | tarball | oops, konqueror? |
| 22:41.41 | kergoth | works fine |
| 22:42.21 | tarball | I just installed it but it crashes with Segv on www.slashdot.org |
| 22:44.25 | tarball | and www.yahoo.co.uk, I've got konq-gif installed, is there anything else I need? |
| 22:44.30 | kergoth | not afaik. |
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| 23:17.11 | NetNut404_PDA | ugggh upgraded to new opie.. but the problem persists |
| 23:18.02 | TheMasterMind1 | NetNut404_PDA: submit a bug report to mantis |
| 23:19.07 | NetNut404_PDA | TheMastermind1: there already is one |
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| 23:36.35 | tarball | Does anyone know where I can d/load a pre-packaged opera ipkg for OZ3? |
| 23:37.05 | TheMasterMind1 | tarball: did you search the oz faq |
| 23:37.12 | TheMasterMind1 | for both the konq issue and the opera ipk thing |
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| 23:40.40 | tarball | I tried but konq crashed. I'm just downloading the faq ipkg now, just thought I would ask while I was waiting! |
| 23:42.15 | TheMasterMind1 | huh |
| 23:42.17 | TheMasterMind1 | faq ipkg? |
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| 23:42.53 | TheMasterMind1 | the oz faq has no ipkg.. and iirc it tells you how to fix the konq crash and how to create an opera ipk |
| 23:47.31 | bill2or3 | how's OZ 3.2 compared to 3.0? |
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| 23:49.55 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:49.58 | TheMasterMind1 | a lot better |
| 23:50.11 | bill2or3 | feature-wise, or stability-wise? |
| 23:50.19 | bill2or3 | I tried 3.0 for a while, but it kept crashing on me. |
| 23:50.25 | kergoth | both. |
| 23:50.42 | bill2or3 | I just got a SD card and was thinking of trying one of the more-ram OZ roms |
| 23:51.07 | TheMasterMind1 | you should |
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| 23:51.35 | bill2or3 | is there any reason not to use the one that makes it *all* execution ram? |
| 23:51.39 | TheMasterMind1 | or better yet, you should find me build machine so i can release an unofficial pre3.3 with vera fonts, opie cvs latest, and .18 kernel |
| 23:51.46 | bill2or3 | I have a 256m card, that'll be dedicated to the z |
| 23:51.49 | TheMasterMind1 | bill2or3: you can if you want. |
| 23:51.59 | TheMasterMind1 | sometimes nice to store a quick file in storageram |
| 23:51.59 | zauruslover | hi friends |
| 23:52.03 | bill2or3 | you cant build on the skiff cluster? |
| 23:52.21 | TheMasterMind1 | can i install bitkeeper on there? |
| 23:52.28 | bill2or3 | dunno |
| 23:52.37 | bill2or3 | what do you usually do builds on? |
| 23:52.49 | zauruslover | does anyone know if Sharp has released the ROM images for the SL-C750 yet ? |
| 23:53.07 | TheMasterMind1 | bill2or3: no, i can't. i need an i386 machine |
| 23:53.26 | bill2or3 | I think I'll do the 56m memory/6m storage flash |
| 23:53.27 | TheMasterMind1 | zauruslover: doubt it. check the oz news archives for the sharp japan site where everythign is released |
| 23:53.35 | zauruslover | hmmm |
| 23:53.40 | zauruslover | thx MM1 |
| 23:53.54 | zauruslover | hv the URL handy MM1 ? |
| 23:55.13 | TheMasterMind1 | themastermind1 is away |
| 23:55.16 | TheMasterMind1 | http://more.sbc.co.jp/sl_j/source/source_dl.htm |
| 23:55.24 | bill2or3 | Do I have to go thru the hassle of creating the ipk's for the sharp apps, or if I as nicely will someone send them to me? |
| 23:55.36 | TheMasterMind1 | i think you do. beh |
| 23:55.40 | bill2or3 | heh |
| 23:56.01 | TheMasterMind1 | i really want to do a .18 rom and then figure out if i can get the ipks with the 3.1 sharp rom working in oz |
| 23:56.04 | TheMasterMind1 | I NEED A BUILD MACHINE |
| 23:56.10 | TheMasterMind1 | i feel naked without one |
| 23:56.25 | bill2or3 | you dont have an i386 box? |
| 23:56.29 | bill2or3 | wierd |
| 23:57.08 | TheMasterMind1 | well, i have a 366mhz box |
| 23:57.13 | TheMasterMind1 | with 50mb free |
| 23:57.31 | bill2or3 | yeouch |
| 23:58.06 | bill2or3 | it's just hancom/opera/jeode, that I need, right? |
| 23:58.50 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 23:58.54 | TheMasterMind1 | why're you asking me what YOU need |
| 23:58.57 | TheMasterMind1 | do you use those apps? |
| 23:59.10 | bill2or3 | I mean, that's all the creators there are.. |
| 23:59.23 | bill2or3 | no, but I want to make ipk's in case I decide later I want them |
| 23:59.56 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 23:59.58 | TheMasterMind1 | thats all |
