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| 01:03.00 | fdask | anyone use the fbvncserver from the stable feed? |
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| 06:28.40 | djr | iwconfig says it has a problem loading libiw.so.26 .. but i haev the file in /usr/lib |
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| 06:45.42 | fdask | djr, try linking a copy up in /lib/ |
| 06:45.53 | djr | k |
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| 06:56.20 | djr | fdask: that worked perfectly, thanks |
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| 09:05.57 | djr | hmm, aqpkg wants libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 |
| 09:08.13 | fdask | really? |
| 09:08.16 | fdask | from 3.2-stable? |
| 09:08.59 | djr | no |
| 09:11.23 | fdask | like where are you getting aqpkg |
| 09:13.26 | djr | unstable/unofficial |
| 09:13.30 | fdask | ah |
| 09:13.47 | fdask | try getting the libc ipk |
| 09:13.58 | fdask | or first |
| 09:14.06 | fdask | search your system for libstdc++* |
| 09:14.10 | fdask | you might have one |
| 09:14.13 | fdask | that u can link |
| 09:14.14 | djr | i did... find / -type f | grep libstdc |
| 09:14.18 | djr | no results |
| 09:14.32 | fdask | ah, k. get the libc ipk from the same feed then |
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| 09:27.01 | pyromance | Hmm |
| 09:27.38 | pyromance | How to get OpiePlayer2 to play through the buzzer instead of the speakers? Time to RTFM |
| 09:36.05 | BaTfInK | pyromance: I believe Twiun was talking about this the other day, may be your best chance |
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| 09:37.30 | Zxcvb_ | does openzaurus support CF to USB adapters? |
| 09:39.11 | pyromance | Should be ... needs a Linux kernel driver |
| 09:39.41 | Zxcvb_ | there is a driver for the sharp 3.10 rom |
| 09:39.56 | Zxcvb_ | their website says there might be a backport to 2.4.6 on an unsupported basis |
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| 10:52.29 | qoreQyaS | heyya |
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| 12:55.00 | chouimat | hi |
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| 13:36.28 | yeiazel | fdask: no |
| 13:40.26 | fdask | i'm not getting any response from it |
| 13:41.54 | fdask | weird |
| 13:41.55 | fdask | there it goes |
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| 15:05.50 | jacopo | hi! I'm not able to see the programs I installed... I can see the packages.. but not the icon.. hte battery has gone down.. do you think that this is the problem?? and whot can I do? do I have to re-move and re-install all? |
| 15:07.03 | TheMasterMind1 | how did you install them |
| 15:07.09 | TheMasterMind1 | using aqpkg? |
| 15:07.46 | jacopo | TheMasterMind1: using "Packages" the X program |
| 15:08.06 | kergoth | X? |
| 15:08.07 | TheMasterMind1 | X? |
| 15:08.08 | treke | X or OPIE? |
| 15:08.11 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 15:08.27 | jacopo | TheMasterMind1: Opie.. :) sorry |
| 15:08.38 | TheMasterMind1 | try restarting opie |
| 15:08.54 | TheMasterMind1 | opie stetings -> shutdown -> restart opie |
| 15:10.00 | jacopo | TheMasterMind1: yes.. I trie but nothing.. |
| 15:11.01 | jacopo | *tried |
| 15:11.52 | kergoth | where did you install them to? |
| 15:14.19 | jacopo | kergoth: /mnt/ram/ |
| 15:15.07 | fdask | which programs and where did u get them from |
| 15:18.22 | TheMasterMind1 | whoa.. |
| 15:18.25 | TheMasterMind1 | shweet |
| 15:18.28 | TheMasterMind1 | check out kernel traffic |
| 15:18.51 | TheMasterMind1 | linksys routers use cramfs with linux kernel and busybox. and apparently the kernel has support for all the broadcom drivers. |
| 15:19.26 | kergoth | jacopo: ipkg-link mount /mnt/ram |
| 15:19.59 | mattcamp | TheMasterMind1: Cool. Right now I'm using an old PC running Linux as a router, but if I ever buy a dedicated router, I'll buy a Linksys router. |
| 15:22.26 | TheMasterMind1 | heh. i think you missed the point. they're using gpl software without releasing all the modifications they made, especially the drivers for the broadcom cards which they apparently have written for the linux kernel already and have not released. as of now, linux doesn't support broadcom wifi cards. |
| 15:23.30 | TheMasterMind1 | i.e, they're ripping the linux community off, don't buy from them. |
| 15:24.17 | fdask | i'm guessing the drivers aren't compiled as modules and easily ripped from the firmware? |
| 15:24.22 | fdask | ;p |
| 15:25.15 | TheMasterMind1 | doubt it, and the hardware on the router is mips arch too, not x86 |
| 15:25.43 | fdask | wow |
| 15:25.57 | fdask | where did u dig this information from... |
| 15:26.02 | TheMasterMind1 | kernel traffic |
| 15:26.25 | TheMasterMind1 | www.kerneltraffic.org/kernel-traffic/latest.html |
| 15:26.48 | TheMasterMind1 | www.kerneltraffic.org/kernel-traffic/latest.html#16 |
| 15:26.49 | kergoth | yep, its bs. russ and erik arent exactly happy (udhcp and busybox respectively) |
| 15:26.54 | kergoth | bastards. |
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| 15:27.46 | fdask | does the licensing hold them to certain terms, legally enforceable? |
| 15:28.45 | TheMasterMind1 | yes, technically |
| 15:28.52 | TheMasterMind1 | i dunno if the gpl has ever been tested in court |
| 15:28.53 | jacopo | kergoth: when i go to sistem Info > Storage I use to see /dev/root and mnt/ram isn' t it? now I see only /dev/root |
| 15:30.35 | TheMasterMind1 | gah |
| 15:30.39 | TheMasterMind1 | the one thing i hate about links |
| 15:30.41 | kergoth | how would i know what you see or used to see? |
| 15:30.42 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:30.43 | TheMasterMind1 | you can't copy and paste from it |
| 15:30.46 | TheMasterMind1 | its so fucking annoying |
| 15:30.54 | kergoth | oh yeah, even the gui links |
| 15:30.59 | kergoth | that imho makes it almost unusable |
| 15:31.02 | kergoth | pisses me off |
| 15:33.39 | ljp_laptop | so fix it |
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| 15:51.10 | jacopo | ci sei? |
| 15:51.16 | jacopo | sorry.. |
| 15:57.25 | fdask | the riverbank site says that a version of pyuic is included with their pyqt... however, i have installed all the ipks, and even now am browsing their contents, and cannot find *pyuic* anywhere. |
| 15:57.31 | fdask | anyone know where i can get this tool? |
| 15:58.04 | fdask | perhaps trolltech has it? |
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| 16:34.33 | kados_ | has anyone ever used a zaurus with a projector (for an actual presentation)? |
| 16:35.59 | ljp_laptop | I have heard of zaurus' being used as a projectile |
| 16:37.10 | jacopo | kados_: http://www.lugod.org/photos/2001.12.17/ |
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| 16:43.52 | kados_ | ok...thanks jacopo...so it can be done...question is, how? |
| 16:44.06 | kados_ | funny ljp_laptop:) |
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| 16:52.56 | jacopo | hm... i think he used a normal (for paper) projector (for paper).. :) |
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| 17:28.08 | BaTfInK | hi guys |
| 17:31.26 | BaTfInK | the other night I installed the usbd-common and surrounding dependencies, but now when I come back from a suspend after taking it off the craddle, OPIE crashes and takes me to prompt |
| 17:31.32 | BaTfInK | anythoughts? |
| 17:36.29 | BaTfInK | am i that boring :) |
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| 18:34.45 | chowells | Why dhcp client does OZ use? Can't see any sign of one my Z... |
| 18:34.54 | kergoth | udhcpc |
| 18:34.57 | kergoth | its part of busybox |
| 18:35.13 | chowells | kergoth: ok, thanks |
| 18:35.18 | kergoth | np |
| 18:35.45 | chowells | It doesn't appear to be sending its the Z's hostname as part of the dhcp request, so my dhcp/dns auto-updating isn't working correctly |
| 18:36.10 | kergoth`food | chowells: i'd say check the code :) |
| 18:36.14 | kergoth`food | (to udhcpc) |
| 18:36.59 | chowells | kergoth`food: yeah, sounds about the best plan :) cheers |
| 18:37.30 | chowells | Anyway, I need to get ready to go out... |
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| 18:56.10 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 18:56.15 | TheMasterMind1 | udhcpc sending hostname |
| 18:56.19 | TheMasterMind1 | thats a thing with ifupdown |
| 18:56.22 | TheMasterMind1 | i pushed a patch to it once |
| 19:10.59 | kergoth`food | TheMasterMind1: oh good point, its probably not passing that cmdline arg |
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| 20:47.43 | BaTfInK | hi guys |
| 20:49.36 | BaTfInK | the other night I updated OZ 3.2 stable ith usbd-common and its dependencies to solve the craddle/suspend issues, now when I come out of a suspend OPIE crashes and chucks me to a prompt, any thoughts why? |
| 21:33.25 | elron | hello |
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| 21:34.43 | elron | (context: I'm a 5500 user advising a potential future Z user) now that several additional Z models have appeared, is the 5500 the best balance between Oz compatibility, hacker friendliness and hype ? |
| 21:35.27 | numchuck | sorry if repeating, but I got disconnected... |
| 21:36.52 | numchuck | updated 3.2 stable with usbd-common and dependencies to solve suspend lockups, now opie crashs after a suspend and chucks me back to a command prompt. Any one know why? |
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| 22:15.15 | pyromance | kergoth: Linked you from my Zaurus car install page... Props to you |
| 22:15.19 | pyromance | http://pyromaniac.net/pyrocar2/ |
| 22:16.54 | kergoth | hey nice |
| 22:17.11 | kergoth | looks pretty cool, tempted to do something like that myself |
| 22:18.01 | pyromance | Congrats on the job, by the way. |
| 22:18.16 | kergoth | thanks |
| 22:19.23 | pyromance | I need to get something bigger than a 340M Microdrive on my Z. I want to replace my Archos entirely but it's hard to drop from 10 gigs of storage to 1/3 of a gig. |
| 22:19.54 | kergoth | no kidding |
| 22:20.19 | djr | i only have an archos 6gb |
| 22:20.21 | kergoth | whats that small formfactor storage device again? i dont think its out yet, the one thats intended for storage in a personal area network type environment |
| 22:20.28 | djr | i use it more for file storage/transfer than mp3s |
| 22:20.28 | djr | hehe |
| 22:20.45 | djr | throw some programs on it, take it to a friends house, hook it up and copy the data off |
| 22:21.30 | pyromance | Hmm .. I wonder if the USB Host Adapter would be a viable option. As it stands, my mounting doesn't permit for listening to the Archos and war driving at the same time |
| 22:22.02 | pyromance | So using the CF slot for a USB host adapter to an external (in the glove box?) USB hard drive could be great for MP3s... dunno about video. |
| 22:23.29 | bach | the netgear works with the zaurus? |
| 22:23.39 | bach | i thought it didn't |
| 22:23.58 | pyromance | Yeah... Though I want to replace it with an Orinoco Silver on a CF-PCMCIA adapter |
| 22:24.21 | bach | why? |
| 22:24.34 | pyromance | External antenna and range |
| 22:25.10 | bach | do u know what is a cheap and good wifi card? |
| 22:25.39 | pyromance | In general, you get what you pay for. Are you just going to cafe hotspots and home networking or do you want to war drive? |
| 22:26.58 | bach | i live in NYC so i believe there are a lot of hotspots, but no, i wouldn't like to use it only at home |
| 22:27.12 | bach | and coffees |
| 22:27.51 | pyromance | Well if you war drive you want range and an external antenna jack ... but if you're just a casual net browser than a cheap card will do fine |
| 22:28.37 | pyromance | CompUSA often has good rebates on WiFi cards |
| 22:28.48 | bach | even cf cards? |
| 22:29.26 | pyromance | yeah... wait for a deal. Watch the Z forums |
| 22:29.30 | bach | so which one would u consider a good one with an external antenna jack? |
| 22:29.38 | pyromance | http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?s=3fb1e4c1b217035f7fcb5bff5f0db8e6&act=SF&f=27 |
| 22:29.46 | bach | thanks for the info |
| 22:29.56 | pyromance | Oh... then you need a CF to PCMCIA adapter ($25) and look at PCMCIA cards like Orinoco |
| 22:30.26 | bach | do they work fine both for the sharp rom and oz? |
| 22:30.48 | kergoth | *cough*wlan-ng sucks*cough* |
| 22:31.32 | bach | why? |
| 22:33.29 | kergoth | because its a shitty API, and has shitty tools to go along with it |
| 22:33.35 | kergoth | its drivers can be okay, depending on the driver |
| 22:34.13 | djr | i got my ambicom wl1100c wireless cf card from best buy for $45 |
| 22:34.19 | djr | it was $80 with a $35 rebate |
| 22:34.33 | pb_ | kergoth: also sucks just because it contributes to further fragmentation of wifi drivers. |
| 22:34.46 | kergoth | pb_: indeed. |
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| 22:47.29 | davoid | I am having some problems at flashing my Z |
| 22:47.44 | davoid | I press down C and D and I hit full reset in the battery compartment |
| 22:47.53 | davoid | the battery charging light goes off |
| 22:48.01 | davoid | and when I release it, 2 seconds after it comes back up |
| 22:48.05 | davoid | nothing else happend |
| 22:48.09 | davoid | any ideas? |
| 22:48.13 | kergoth | you're probably accidentally hitting other keys |
| 22:48.15 | kergoth | its c+d only |
| 22:48.24 | davoid | I have ONLY cd? without reset? |
| 22:48.53 | davoid | does it have to be capital C and D? |
| 22:49.25 | davoid | the cf card is fat16 and the two files are in the / |
| 22:49.32 | davoid | named properly |
| 22:49.39 | kergoth | c, d, and full reset |
| 22:49.40 | kergoth | thats it |
| 22:49.46 | kergoth | you cant accidentally hit any other keys |
| 22:49.54 | kergoth | if your finger bumps f or some shit, it'll fail |
| 22:50.18 | davoid | in what order should I press these 3 keys? |
| 22:50.22 | davoid | c then d then reset |
| 22:50.26 | davoid | then release reset, d, c? |
| 22:50.56 | kergoth | once you've tapped full reset, release order doesnt matter |
| 22:51.01 | kergoth | dont hold reset, just tap it, then release the keys |
| 22:51.52 | davoid | using sharp 5500 |
| 22:51.57 | davoid | and did it prolly 20 times |
| 22:53.47 | kergoth | well either you're doing something wrong, or the files/fs on the card is wrong |
| 22:54.21 | davoid | Ill try reformatting/redownloading the 2 files |
| 22:54.56 | davoid | it's sad because I had a 256mb SD card and bought a 128 just for oz ;-) |
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| 22:55.04 | davoid | I want oz badly.. |
| 23:09.00 | davoid | kergoth, I just had a weird problem couple hours ago -- copied mp3s to my sd card and then tried to play them it didnt work. the zaurus media player just quit when I told ot ti play |
| 23:09.08 | davoid | file sizes were correct however |
| 23:09.15 | davoid | this did not happen when I copied to RAM |
| 23:09.25 | kergoth | odd. |
| 23:09.37 | ljp_laptop | mounted correctly? |
| 23:09.49 | davoid | yeah |
| 23:11.38 | davoid | yesyseyyesyyseyseyey |
| 23:11.41 | davoid | GOT IT d::d:d:d:d |
| 23:11.47 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:11.52 | davoid | had to reformat and recopy |
| 23:12.12 | davoid | actually I just reset the thing and the kernel buffers werent flushed |
| 23:12.15 | davoid | I had to umount the card first |
| 23:12.19 | davoid | that's it I think |
| 23:12.26 | davoid | and I sync 'ed before umounting |
| 23:12.29 | davoid | then pulled the plug |
| 23:17.58 | davoid | gotta love that splash screen |
| 23:18.06 | davoid | ... worked hard all this summer to get this running :D |
| 23:19.04 | davoid | are the kernel sources available somewhere? |
| 23:19.10 | davoid | I couldnt find them in the CVS |
| 23:19.19 | kergoth | we obtain the kernel sources from usptream |
| 23:19.20 | kergoth | upstream |
| 23:19.32 | davoid | what is upstream? |
| 23:19.33 | kergoth | ftp.kernel.org for the kernel, ftp.arm.linux.org.uk for the rmk patch, etc |
| 23:19.42 | davoid | aah ok |
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| 23:19.49 | kergoth | upstream is the place where each package is stored by the maintainer of said package |
| 23:19.55 | davoid | cool |
| 23:20.06 | kergoth | search the oz faqs for 'source' |
| 23:20.12 | kergoth | it'll direct you to our buildsystem |
| 23:20.15 | davoid | k tx |
| 23:21.28 | davoid | im actually interested in email client/PIM software enhancement (if it's not what I want already).. |
| 23:21.33 | davoid | just curious about the kernel and buildroot |
| 23:21.52 | kergoth | gui stuff, feel free to go to opie.handhelds.org, grab the sources, and have at it |
| 23:22.06 | kergoth | our build infrastructure obtains the world, builds it, packages it, and builds an image for deployment onto a device |
| 23:22.26 | davoid | that's good to know :D |
| 23:22.57 | kergoth | its handy if you want to build custom oz images with a set of different software, for example |
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| 23:23.32 | davoid | hahaha this is what was missing in the default z rom -- drawpad :D |
| 23:23.57 | kergoth | drawpad rocks. but we need a notepad that combines textedit functionality with drawpad functionality |
| 23:25.06 | davoid | I don't really see how that could be useful. |
| 23:25.41 | kergoth | having the ability to jot down notes with the keyboard, alongside a diagram? |
| 23:25.52 | kergoth | seems pretty useful to me. picture a notetaking environment in college |
| 23:25.59 | pb_ | yeah, a general kind of memo/journal app would be cool. maybe combined with voice notes as well. |
| 23:26.11 | davoid | voice notes sounds more than cool |
| 23:26.18 | kergoth | yeah |
| 23:29.43 | davoid | you guys did an amazing job with oz from what I see so far |
| 23:29.50 | davoid | this is what should've shipped on it |
| 23:30.13 | kergoth | dont forget to thank the GUI folks over in #opie :) |
| 23:35.18 | djr | kergoth: whats going on with all these packages needing libstdc++-libc6-whatever lately? |
| 23:37.23 | fishy | yea |
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| 23:46.33 | kergoth | djr: pester bipolar, i think theres something up with his toolchain. he does the unstable builds |
| 23:46.43 | djr | ah |
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| 23:47.24 | fishy | thats strange |
| 23:47.29 | fishy | I was running stable |
| 23:47.34 | fishy | and I got the same message |
| 23:47.52 | kergoth | there shouldnt be any packages changing in stable |
| 23:47.53 | kergoth | ever |
| 23:48.05 | kergoth | it shouldnt have been touched after the 3.2 release |
| 23:50.08 | davoid | package management owns :-) |
| 23:50.17 | davoid | it's a pleasure to do sysadmin tasks on it |
| 23:50.42 | kergoth | package management with a shitty packaging tool doesnt own |
| 23:51.44 | davoid | that's so true. what good is a 2003 mustang without gas in it ;) |
| 23:52.26 | kergoth | it makes a pretty lawn orament i'm sure |
| 23:52.29 | kergoth | ornament rather |
| 23:52.37 | davoid | hehehe |
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| 23:53.21 | davoid | my Z does heat up more than before wonder why |
| 23:53.38 | kergoth | people mentioned that.. nobody's been able to isolate it |
| 23:53.44 | fishy | davoid: backlight? |
| 23:53.53 | davoid | yeah fishy makes sense |
| 23:53.57 | davoid | it's on full when in cradle |
| 23:54.14 | davoid | nevermind that |
| 23:54.16 | davoid | :-P |
| 23:54.22 | fishy | my backlight makes a good stylus warmer |
| 23:54.28 | davoid | hehe |
| 23:54.37 | fishy | that along with the wifi card :p |
| 23:54.48 | fishy | and its almost as hot as my laptop |
| 23:54.59 | davoid | im yet to get one of them 11b cards |
| 23:55.11 | fishy | also charging warmes up the battery |
| 23:55.37 | davoid | how do you guys sync your data / files? scp? |
| 23:55.56 | kergoth | i dont sync with my desktop. just backup data |
| 23:55.58 | kergoth | personally |
| 23:56.07 | kergoth | but i hear kitchensync works pretty well for the kde pim apps |
| 23:56.12 | fishy | when I start syncing(backing up) im gonna use rsync |
| 23:56.17 | davoid | cool |
| 23:57.38 | davoid | that cf card heats up a whole lot as well |
| 23:58.44 | davoid | would using ext3 for a pda be considered a waste of space? |
| 23:58.54 | davoid | instead of ext2 |
| 23:59.00 | kergoth | not only space |
| 23:59.07 | davoid | yeah eh... |
| 23:59.09 | kergoth | the journal would result in excessive writes to the flash |
| 23:59.12 | kergoth | not good |
| 23:59.16 | davoid | ark |
| 23:59.19 | davoid | the journal :P ok |
| 23:59.44 | fishy | OMG |
| 23:59.53 | kergoth | ? |