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08:31.00prhanyone here know how soon the 750 will be OZ'd ?
08:31.14prhis there anyone working on it yet?
08:35.14jakuhi! I installed Hancom sheet (op 3.2) but it doesn' t work.. I renames as in the faq.. but nothing.. any idea?
08:39.54jakunobody has installed sheet on op 3.2?
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10:35.23jakuIt only run when I select it from the O menu, not from the desktop..
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13:47.27madeddie15:43 <madeddie> define "rip apart"
13:47.27madeddie15:44 <madeddie> a hex editor "rips" it in to blocks of readable hex
13:47.58highvoltzextract the files
13:48.07madeddieah, you mean a rom?
13:48.13highvoltzyes
13:48.18madeddiea kernel image is just the kernel, no more files
13:48.30madeddieyou can mount a rom on a linux machine by using the loop device
13:48.35madeddieprolly cramfs of jffs2
13:52.37absentiaSthe thing I love about this sharp community
13:52.52absentiaSis how it uses words is such unique ways....
13:52.56absentiaSlike "writing to ROM" ..
13:53.05absentiaS"rips" into blocks of readable hex.
13:54.43absentiaSI had a (stupid?) engineering professor at college who stated that computers stored information in HEX... his proof? he said... look at the disassembler (output).  I claimed that was just a visual representation for the poor dumb humans who have difficulty grokking straight binary, but the computer only stores data in binary.  he disagreed.  so, I would ask him first thing before each class if he still insisted that computers stored d
13:54.53absentiaSwalk out.  eventually I got most of the CS students to do the same.
13:55.17absentiaSmaybe we have clinton to thank for this....
13:55.23absentiaSby "yes" I meant "no" ...
13:55.39absentiaSbill gates actually denied, under oath, that he knew what "market share" meant.
13:57.17madeddiehehe
13:57.30madeddieam i using any words in unique ways?
13:57.48madeddiei use "'s to annotate my lack of understanding of the usage of the term anyway :)
13:58.53absentiaSI don't know dutch.. but they have a (full) word... that is just     's
13:58.57madeddieespecially since ripping apart a kernel image is quite a wide statement, you can rip apart a kernel image in more ways than i can tell
13:59.13absentiaSmostly, I'm annoyed that sharp thinks that it's just fine to get people use to writing to ROM.
13:59.16madeddiei know dutch, but i have no idea which word you mean :)
13:59.19madeddieah
13:59.25absentiaShow many times do you see signs for ATM machines?
13:59.27madeddieindeed, i see what you mean
13:59.33madeddiewell, daily
13:59.48absentiaSmad: that's the town one stop up on the train from.... eindhoven .. toward amsterdam?
14:00.11madeddieyou're confusing me, what is the town? you mean the 's word?
14:00.23absentiaSya
14:00.40madeddieehm, i have no clue to be honest, or i simply do not understand the question :)
14:01.00madeddieanyway, the whole mess started with PROMS, EPROMS and EEPROMS :)
14:01.17absentiaSyup
14:01.18absentiaSnow it'
14:01.23madeddieprogramming a ROM became the same as writing it
14:01.23absentiaSs just ROM
14:01.26madeddiejup
14:01.41madeddieand the image from a ROM in a cardridge or chip is called ROM too
14:02.13absentiaShttp://www.completeworldguide.com/mapas/paises/big/netherlands.gif
14:02.16absentiaSright below maas
14:02.20madeddieor, the image _of_ a ROM to be more precise
14:02.29madeddiebut i must be forgiven, since English is not my native language ;)
14:02.35absentiaSya, I know what you mean.
14:02.47absentiaSbut that's just plain laziness.
14:02.58madeddiewell, the same goes for saying "ya" :P
14:03.08madeddieanyway, 's hertogenbosch and 's gravenhage
14:03.19absentiaSalthough the map shows it as s'
14:03.26absentiaSI vaguely remember it as 's
14:03.37madeddiejup, they're short hand version of Des Hertogens Bosch and Des Gravens Hage
14:03.46madeddieyeah, it's 's
14:03.58absentiaSI read about some comedy skit last night.. where a lady and a man just say each other's name... with inflection.. for the entire conversation.
14:04.11absentiaSah.
14:04.38madeddieDes Hertogens Bosch mean, The Duke's Wood and Des Gravens Hage mean The Counts Hedge
14:05.06absentiaSya, seems many things over there are named for what's under your feet.
14:05.09madeddiebut they're also called Den Bosch and Den Haag
14:05.15madeddiewhich are the modern spellings anyway
14:05.29madeddiewell, think about it, it's usefull :)
14:05.33madeddietake new york
14:05.37absentiaSway back when.
14:06.02absentiaSput it to rest: what's a/the translation for eindhoven .... end of farms?
14:06.08absentiaS(end of gardens?)
14:06.17madeddieyou got Flushing, which comes from the dutch Vlissingen, which means the part of the land between the dyke's and the ocean that would be covered by watered at high tide and storms
14:06.22absentiaSI think with new york, people were just both lazy and conceited.
14:06.31absentiaShahaha
14:06.57madeddiewell, New York was once New Amsterdam
14:07.09madeddiethe Harlem quarter is called after the dutch city of Haarlem
14:07.22absentiaSyup
14:07.24absentiaSbeen there.
14:07.35absentiaSI like the new New Amsterdam better than New York.
14:08.02madeddieanyways, Eindhoven is something like that, but probably it's more like the lands at the edge of the dukedom
14:08.23madeddieand then those lands cluttered up and became a city
14:08.44madeddieAmsterdam is from Amsteldam, and the river that runs through it is called Amstel, what a coincedence :)
14:09.42absentiaSya
14:09.47madeddiein any case i feel more for giving words meaning from connotation, in regard to the rest of the sentence/story, than giving them direct meanings which are the same all the time
14:10.00absentiaSI don't like the beer amstel (amsterdam canal water! puke) ....
14:10.03absentiaSbut the town is great.
14:10.16madeddiebecause in the latter case one would need thousands or more words _extra_ for a normal conversation
14:10.20madeddiehehe
14:10.28absentiaSmad: modifiers.
14:10.29madeddiemost people like heineken and grolsch better
14:10.37madeddiei just dislike beer altoghether
14:10.44madeddieyes, modifiers, and common sense of course
14:10.46absentiaSlook at frech... no new words.... specially not from those steenkin' amerkins.
14:10.51madeddiehehe, true
14:10.55absentiaShow do you say "motherboard" in french?
14:10.56absentiaSetc.
14:11.02madeddielook at japan, all kinds of new words from american
14:11.13madeddiemotherbord would be plate of the mother in french :)
14:11.20absentiaS:-)
14:11.41madeddieanyway, in japanese you have words that sound like creedikardoo and waitorie and waitaasan
14:11.51absentiaSya?
14:12.11madeddiejup, you can guess they're meaning i guess
14:12.31absentiaSbut it's all based upon simple consonant + vowel combinations.
14:12.59madeddiewell, most words, and i don't know how to write japanese in cyrillic lettering
14:13.09madeddieanyway, the first means credit card
14:13.19madeddiethe second is waitress and the last is waitor
14:14.26absentiaSya, but unless you start using waitorie for any wait-person... then it's different from what I was originally referring to.
14:14.41madeddieyup, true
14:14.52madeddiewell, i dunno, i can't judge, i do the same thing, i mangle meanings
14:14.57absentiaSit's like calling HTML a programming language.
14:15.21madeddieand, when i'm "excited" or just interested, and typing fast, i make silly typos which i know are wrong, but i'll have hit the return key faster than that realization :)
14:15.22absentiaSwell, people sometimes seem to think that english is my second language, by the way I use it.
14:15.27absentiaSwho knows.
14:15.42absentiaSya, but that's different from total bastardization.
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14:15.51madeddieyup, well, it's definately my second language, since i don't speak any other language even closely as well
14:15.52absentiaSI'm really pissed off at the who "lose" "loose" thing
14:16.07absentiaSever play mahjong on the zaurus? when then game's over, it insults you and calls you a slut.
14:16.09madeddieand too too :)
14:16.12madeddieto to too too
14:16.14absentiaSis says you're "loose" ...
14:16.21madeddiehehe
14:16.29madeddieno haven't yet
14:16.36absentiaSI'm gonna take emacs to mine...
14:16.38absentiaSjust to fix that.
14:16.45madeddiehehe, go for it
14:16.48absentiaSmany of the games on the zaurus do that.
14:16.58madeddieall your base are belong to us huh? :)
14:17.06madeddieall you base are belong to us even
14:17.08absentiaSsomething like that
14:17.31absentiaSbaf-froom ....  
14:17.55absentiaSwanna go to the store wiff me?  
14:18.12absentiaSsounds like in the middle of the question, you're switching to request that the person smell you.
14:19.47madeddiehehe
14:19.55madeddieever talk to english msn users
14:20.04madeddieespecially girls ranging 10 through 16
14:20.13absentiaSoh god no.
14:20.17madeddieand even more specific, girls from london? :)
14:20.29madeddiethey're evil, the don't even know how to use english proper
14:20.57absentiaSI lose all respect for someone.. when I am reading some article.. and then they say something like "R U sure U know?"
14:20.58madeddienot even if they true
14:21.01madeddietry even :)
14:21.11absentiaSya, but english .... you can forgive them.
14:21.15absentiaSt
14:21.21absentiaS"the team are coming in now"
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14:22.04absentiaSbut going to your point... yes, communication is about conveying meaning....
14:22.06madeddiehehe, yeah, "the space shuttle is a good equipment of the modern age" :)
14:22.12madeddieBBC news
14:22.26absentiaSbut if the words must be derived from their use, then you're leaving more of your "meaning" to assumption.
14:22.28absentiaSIMnsHO
14:23.04madeddiesure, which might lead to misunderstanding
14:23.34absentiaSsee, I run into that a lot.
14:23.46absentiaSI take people quite literally, and then they get all upset.
14:24.27madeddiehehe, same here, well, usually i do understand, but sometimes, just to play, i go all the way
14:24.58madeddieand i use too many, comma's and aposthrophs (<-i don't know :))
14:25.06madeddiebut that's something really dutch
14:25.25absentiaSI don't remember much dutch... I told the guys I worked with that it just sounded like german to me
14:25.32absentiaSthey weren't too happy with me after that..
14:25.51madeddiehehe, ah well, most dutchies won't mind, especially techies, they don't care at all
14:26.01absentiaSya, they were just playing..
14:26.11madeddieand to be honest, i think dutch is more scandanavian and german is more like english
14:26.16madeddiebut that's just being an insider :)
14:26.24absentiaSI worked for chello in helmond... for a while.
14:26.33absentiaSya, but the sounds.
14:26.34madeddieah, that must've been hell :)
14:26.40madeddieyeah i know, the sounds
14:26.54madeddiei think dutch and norwegian are more alike than german is to dutch
14:26.55absentiaSwell, it was interesting...
14:27.03absentiaSI don't nkow norwegian.
14:27.11madeddieinteresting, that's a good word
14:27.17absentiaSI'm a stupid amerkin, I barely know english.
14:27.41absentiaSalthough I have downloaded some files from consumptionjunction to learn how to swear in various languages.
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14:40.30madeddiehehe
14:40.58madeddiei'm dutchy, i'm obliged to at least act like i know some other languages, the country is too small to think i can do anything else
14:41.25absentiaSya, I know... I took a left turn in belgium, turned around and in 45 minutes I had driven across the country.
14:41.55absentiaSa guy I worked with in helmon said he was going to the northern part of the country.... on like tuesday morning... so I was like "see ya friday" ... he said "what? I'll be back by 5"
15:14.47absentiaSverbal tics
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15:20.11mpav_Any OZ developers around?
15:27.15prhanyone know if the 750 stylus is the same size and shape as the 5500 stylus?
15:27.31absentiaSI use a papermate pencil
15:28.37prhah, erm :O)
15:34.11mpav_Anyone familiar with how to modify the memory (RAM disk) size on the Z?
15:39.21ljp_laptopthats in the kernel I believe
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15:43.56mpav_ljp_laptop: yeah.
15:44.09mpav_i am not having much luck diggin it out of the build tree
15:44.33mpav_it looks like it is all done dynamically.. ie you build the tree and it builds the different kernel images
15:44.42mpav_i am screwing up the MTD offsets
15:47.09NetNut404_workanyone here ever tried using contacts sorted by first name, and still sunc without outlook?
15:48.12NetNut404_workhave this problem that the "file as"  item in the addressbook.xml file gets smacked every time you try to sync..  regardless of the data that is on the other end.
15:50.29mpav_anyone using a Pretec PcoketPC CompactLan card?
15:50.40mpav_it is a NE2k compatible card.. comes up 'unsupported' in OZ
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18:32.30nerdboyyo
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19:47.49NetNut404_workhello
19:50.19NetNut404_workdoes anyone use the conacts in OZ, and sort by the first name? I have done this with "file as" but anytime a sync with intellisync is called it reverses it
19:50.40NetNut404_workanyone else ever seen this?
19:52.07NetNut404_workI have no clue if the bug is in OZ's addressbook.xml or if intelisync causes it
19:55.10tunemxall the sync softwares are scrambled with OZ
19:56.53bipolartunemx: hmmm?
19:57.01bipolartunemx: what version of OZ?
19:59.29tunemxqtopia -- OZ 3.2
19:59.40tunemxit duplicates my calendar and contacts stuff
20:00.18bipolartunemx: what sync software?
20:00.48bipolartunemx: sounds like you are using something which mangles ID's.
20:03.02tunemxit is Qtopia 1.6.1
20:03.24tunemxi tried to play with the settings
20:03.27ljp_laptopqtopiadesktop?
20:03.31tunemxyes
20:03.45tunemxso the handheld is supposed to be right
20:04.08tunemxstill duplicates
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20:07.14NetNut404_worksounds worse than my problem..
20:07.54ljp_laptopdata is overrated. :)
20:08.37NetNut404_workwhat I get os intellisync does not even think it is syncing anything, but if you do any kind of sync at all and suposedly no reccords even change.. the "file as" item gets reversed
20:10.42NetNut404_workI just wonder if the bug is in opie. or in intellisync
20:11.06NetNut404_workCan't get a bug fixed if you can't submit it right?
20:17.14bipolartunemx: are you running windows or linux?
20:18.51tunemxboth
20:18.57tunemxhappening on both places
20:20.37bipolartunemx: qtdesktop sucks. If you are using KDE, I suguest kitchensync.
20:21.21tunemxoh
20:21.31tunemxnever heard of that
20:21.40tunemxbut thanks I will try it
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20:29.18osisthiya, i am using redhat 9.0 (kernel 2.4.20-8), do i need any specail patchs to establish tcp/ip over usb?
20:33.11nerdboynot sure
20:33.21nerdboyis usbnet in 2.4.20 yet?
20:33.40ljp_laptopits in 2.4.21
20:33.46osistmmh, since i asked the above question, i managed to get some answer
20:34.07osisti did rmmod CDEthernet then restart the Z it works
20:34.24osistcan some one explain that to me :(
20:34.41osisti found it in a web page http://humphrey.applitec.com/zaurus/
20:35.40osisti mean how can i do it properly without having to remmber the above hack?
20:36.30nerdboycompile a kernel without cdcether
20:36.45osistit is reloaded now
20:36.46nerdboyit's the worng one, but it loads anyway
20:36.50bipolarThe redhat kernel might have zaurus support in it already.
20:37.31nerdboyusbdnet is the old buggy one, usbnet is the new (preferred) one, and cdcether is the completely wrong one
20:37.50nerdboydo lsmod and see what else is loaded
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20:48.20osistlike what nerdboy?
20:48.38osistI have usbnet
20:49.32osistnot usbdnet, and usb-ohci, usbcore, usb-storage, hid, acm CDCEther
20:50.16osistis there a way i can enter this into the modules.conf file
21:01.00nerdboyi guess you alias cdcether off
21:01.06nerdboyand then usbnet should work
21:03.44osistnerdboy: how do i do that? do i just enter it as it is (  alias cdcether off)
21:06.30osistok found it in the manpage thanks
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21:09.29Aimio:/ can't samba in, trolltech-ftpd won't ipkg install, aggh :p
21:11.00NetNut404_workis intellistink the only option for syncing with Microsloth outlook?
21:13.12NetNut404_workAimio: can't you ssh and scp ?
21:16.28Aimio"connection refused"
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21:29.15bruneswpi;d anyone be able to help me out with the opera creator script for the 5500? the site linked to from killfilez.de is gone
21:34.49brunesalso... anyone like to point me in the direction for some resource son building my own OZ kernel image?
21:34.53brunesI want ot adjust my mem split
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