| 00:19.23 | Cope | Cool - OZ working fine! |
| 00:21.04 | Cope | Groovy - just need to sort out syncing with laptop now. |
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| 00:50.48 | Cope | Is there software for desktop/laptop to match the pim on OZ so I can sync between box and pda? |
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| 02:26.03 | absentiaS | anyone here know how to configure xf86 ? |
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| 03:04.05 | Shabba | hello? |
| 03:04.10 | Shabba | sirs? ma'ams? |
| 03:04.20 | absentiaS | hi |
| 03:04.22 | Shabba | hi |
| 03:05.06 | Shabba | i have a zaurus slc-700, and i also have a panasonic laptop, both devices have MMC/SD card sockets, |
| 03:05.16 | Shabba | and my zaurus of _course_ can use the sd chip, |
| 03:05.28 | Shabba | but is there a general linux driver that i can use on my laptop ? |
| 03:05.33 | Shabba | or is it specific to the zaurus only? |
| 03:05.35 | Shabba | :( |
| 03:05.41 | kergoth | uh |
| 03:05.44 | kergoth | 1) locked into hardware |
| 03:05.47 | kergoth | 2) no source, binary only |
| 03:05.50 | Shabba | :-O |
| 03:05.56 | absentiaS | sounds like SCO |
| 03:05.59 | Shabba | w-w-w-why would they do that? |
| 03:06.05 | kergoth | try google sometime |
| 03:06.08 | Shabba | i have |
| 03:06.13 | kergoth | i dont feel like explaining the legalities of SD |
| 03:06.16 | Shabba | :~( |
| 03:06.25 | Shabba | linux developers always find a way though |
| 03:06.35 | kergoth | oh get a clue. |
| 03:07.07 | Shabba | :~( |
| 03:07.24 | Shabba | i'm serious. there have been plenty of devices in the past that linux developers have had to tackle on their own |
| 03:07.30 | Shabba | i can't see how sd would be any different |
| 03:07.33 | kergoth | there is an open source MMC driver available, but you'd still need enough details on the hardware to access the SPI interface |
| 03:07.37 | kergoth | no shit |
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| 03:07.40 | kergoth | i know about historical bits |
| 03:07.53 | kergoth | but you're looking at this from a highly idealistic and unrealistic point of view. |
| 03:07.59 | Shabba | of course. i'm a zealot :) |
| 03:08.06 | kergoth | do you know how few laptops even have sd/mmc? |
| 03:08.16 | Shabba | well, mine does, because Panasonic roolz :) |
| 03:08.19 | kergoth | and of those, how few manufacturers give enough information? |
| 03:08.28 | kergoth | at least try spelling properly in my presence |
| 03:08.32 | Shabba | well, mine doesn't (have information), because Panasonic sux0rz :( |
| 03:08.35 | kergoth | linux/gpl zealots piss me off. |
| 03:09.01 | absentiaS | heheh |
| 03:09.08 | Shabba | kergoth: i simply want to use hardware that _I_ paid for. |
| 03:09.13 | kergoth | Shabba: so bitch somewhere else. |
| 03:09.18 | kergoth | this is highly off topic |
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| 03:31.26 | Shabba | man, where do company's like Texas Instruments get off on calling people who want to get the most out of products they have purchased, "zealots" :( |
| 03:31.38 | Shabba | er, companies |
| 03:32.38 | kergoth | huh? |
| 03:33.00 | kergoth | i'd like to see TI's statement to that regard |
| 03:33.04 | kergoth | paste a url. |
| 03:33.06 | Shabba | off-topic, yeah. absolutely. but where do you get off calling me a zealot because i want to use linux on my laptop? |
| 03:33.17 | kergoth | who says my opinions are that of TI? |
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| 03:33.20 | kergoth | grow up |
| 03:33.24 | kergoth | Shabba: this is #openzaurus |
| 03:33.26 | root | is this live? |
| 03:33.29 | kergoth | Shabba: not #helpmewithmyfuckinglaptop |
| 03:33.40 | AbsentiaF | ok, 24bit going... thanks treke |
| 03:33.49 | AbsentiaF | seems the putty on my win2k fails after anhour or so |
| 03:33.50 | Shabba | kergoth: okay, you are perfectly valid in calling me on the off-topic |
| 03:33.55 | kergoth | Shabba: I know. |
| 03:34.04 | Shabba | kergoth: but calling me a zealot because i wanted to access my sd card? |
| 03:34.07 | kergoth | I dont need your opinions to know I'm right, thanks. |
| 03:34.08 | Shabba | kergoth: i mean, wow |
| 03:34.10 | kergoth | you called yourself a zealot |
| 03:34.14 | kergoth | I simply confirmed it |
| 03:34.21 | kergoth | try using logic sometime, it helps. |
| 03:35.20 | AbsentiaF | <-- zealot... |
| 03:35.30 | kergoth | hehe |
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| 03:37.11 | Shabba | does japanese support work on OZ? |
| 03:37.47 | kergoth | there are open source opie/qtopia japanese inputmethods, but i dont know if opie is translated to japanese yet |
| 03:39.02 | Shabba | sharp's OS is so bloated my SLC-700 is hardly usable (except by using a sd card with a big swap file), but i haven't switched to OZ yet because i have to admit, sharp's japanese support is just incredible. |
| 03:39.15 | Shabba | the handwriting recognition is the best i have ever seen |
| 03:39.18 | absentiaS | actually, I like sharp.. it has tcsh, etc. |
| 03:39.25 | kergoth | ~fishslap absentiaS |
| 03:39.26 | | ACTION slaps absentiaS up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 03:39.32 | kergoth | 3 words. debian/ARM tcsh .deb |
| 03:39.36 | kergoth | :) |
| 03:39.38 | AbsentiaF | ibot: don't be jealous |
| 03:39.39 | | AbsentiaF: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 03:39.46 | AbsentiaF | my firts bot was finished... in march '89 |
| 03:39.52 | AbsentiaF | my last bot was taken offline in '93 |
| 03:40.07 | AbsentiaF | ibot: yes, many do. |
| 03:40.09 | | AbsentiaF: are you using Windows? |
| 03:40.22 | AbsentiaF | ibot: don't make me CLUE DOS you |
| 03:40.23 | | AbsentiaF: I give up, what is it? |
| 03:40.28 | AbsentiaF | exactly. |
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| 04:15.43 | bbeattie | anyone here using a 5600? |
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| 04:19.54 | kergoth | bbeattie: I have one here that a friend lent me, why? |
| 04:21.17 | bbeattie | kergoth: my father is looking at getting one. I'm just wondering how much software is compiled for them so far.. little from what I've seen. |
| 04:21.44 | bbeattie | kergoth: and I know you've been very busy, but also on the oz port.. |
| 04:22.41 | kergoth | well, mine is sitting at an oz login prompt atm |
| 04:22.43 | kergoth | so its not far off |
| 04:23.01 | bbeattie | kergoth: will most oz feed packages be compiled for xscale? |
| 04:23.08 | kergoth | they all do |
| 04:23.17 | kergoth | what do you think our corgi feed is? (c700, 400mhz xscale unit) |
| 04:23.53 | bbeattie | kergoth: I have been out of things for a while due to work demands :-/ |
| 04:24.08 | bbeattie | would you recommend the 5600 or 5500 to people right now? |
| 04:24.26 | drakonite | hi room. hi kergoth |
| 04:24.32 | bbeattie | especially to someone who may want apps like zroadmap, that havn't been compiled for xscale I'm pretty sure. |
| 04:25.21 | kergoth | if you're going to spend the cash, get a c750 |
| 04:25.29 | kergoth | imho the 5600 doesnt give you much for the cost |
| 04:25.37 | kergoth | at least the c750 has a pxa255, no cache bug |
| 04:25.44 | kergoth | plus the 640x480 lcd, and spiffy formfactor |
| 04:25.58 | bbeattie | is it available in US yet? |
| 04:26.08 | kergoth | only via importing it from brando/conics/dynamism |
| 04:26.15 | bbeattie | cost? |
| 04:26.19 | kergoth | ibot: brando |
| 04:26.19 | | somebody said brando was sells/exports the Sharp Zaurus and other electronics http://shop.brando.com.hk/ or mailto:brando@brando.com.hk. C700 $500, C750 $525, C760 $610 USD, (and $45 shipping via fedex) use email for zaurus orders, or plus shipping, or no warranty and japanese sortware. |
| 04:26.20 | drakonite | is the c750 the one that only has a hacked english rom? |
| 04:26.29 | kergoth | drakonite: uh, all the c7x0 units are from japan |
| 04:26.35 | kergoth | drakonite: but OZ works on all of them |
| 04:27.05 | bbeattie | kerboth: we're going to Linux world, which is where I got mine last year, and hopefully they'll be having them on sale there for a bit less. |
| 04:27.21 | kergoth | ahh cool |
| 04:27.26 | drakonite | kergoth: oh, thanks... I don't follow the models very closely *hides* I just remember seeing some articles about buying a new one with a hacked english rom.. |
| 04:27.55 | kergoth | the c700 has an english converted rom when you buy it from dynamism |
| 04:28.02 | kergoth | c700 is no longer worth the cost |
| 04:28.14 | kergoth | you're better off buying them for cheaper from a differnet importer and installing OZ |
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| 04:29.00 | drakonite | ah thanks. well, i got a 5500 for helping someone move so I don't have much plans in putting that much money into a new one... |
| 04:29.51 | kergoth | 5500 is a good investment given the cost |
| 04:30.05 | kergoth | 5600 and c700 arent worth it for those willing to spend the cash, go with the c750/c760 |
| 04:35.01 | drakonite | is there any place to go to get information about starting out contributing to oz? |
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| 04:35.37 | kergoth | drakonite: grab our buildsystem that we use to build oz, and start hacking |
| 04:35.42 | kergoth | drakonite: search the faqs for 'source' |
| 04:36.37 | drakonite | kergoth: thanks.. haven't done much (well, none really) zaurus coding yet. |
| 04:41.02 | drakonite | kergoth: ooh yay... bitkeeper... i guess i'll have to wait until later to check it out then... |
| 04:41.16 | kergoth | snapshots are available if you cant or wont use it |
| 04:41.19 | kergoth | tarballs |
| 04:41.21 | kergoth | ibot: oz snapshot |
| 04:41.22 | | rumour has it, oz snapshot is http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/snapshot/ or updated every 4 hours by Navi or this is a snapshot of the bk oz buildroot tree use it to compile your own OZ if you don't want to use BK |
| 04:41.25 | kergoth | ibot: oz buildroot |
| 04:41.26 | | well, oz bk is bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
| 04:41.34 | drakonite | lol |
| 04:42.38 | drakonite | well, i'm not really against using bitkeeper... i just have to wait for it download,build, and install. |
| 04:42.46 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 04:43.00 | drakonite | omg... grrr.... |
| 04:43.10 | drakonite | it says i gotta sign up and crap.. |
| 04:43.42 | drakonite | is it free for me to use? |
| 04:43.47 | kergoth | yep |
| 04:44.05 | drakonite | alright... i'll probably stilll do it then.. grr.. i thought portage was gonna be my friend this time. |
| 04:45.48 | osist | hiya, is there a root password for the Kompany rom RC3 |
| 04:46.04 | osist | and i can ping it but not sync!!!! |
| 04:46.20 | osist | via usb/tcp/ip that is |
| 04:46.55 | kergoth | and why are you asking here? |
| 04:47.05 | kergoth | yep, this is #openzaurus |
| 04:47.30 | osist | mmh sorry, i am used to OZ |
| 04:48.01 | ljp_laptop | cause he knows we is smarts |
| 04:48.05 | kergoth | i barely have enough time to support OZ, much less the rest of the roms |
| 04:48.25 | ljp_laptop | try 'rootme' |
| 04:49.01 | osist | nope |
| 04:49.05 | osist | thanks anyway |
| 04:49.08 | fishy | or try 'blank' |
| 04:49.14 | osist | did not work |
| 04:49.25 | ljp_laptop | qtopia |
| 04:49.31 | kergoth | i say you email shawn at tkc personally |
| 04:49.35 | kergoth | :D |
| 04:49.51 | ljp_laptop | pass word tkc |
| 04:56.02 | drakonite | kergoth: is there a fix for the light settings app? or is it just mine that doesn't work.... |
| 04:56.53 | kergoth | mine works |
| 04:56.58 | kergoth | what version of things? |
| 04:57.01 | drakonite | hmmm... |
| 04:57.04 | drakonite | lemme check |
| 04:57.45 | drakonite | 0.9.3-20030611 for opie-light-and-power |
| 04:58.24 | drakonite | 3.2 for OZ |
| 04:58.31 | drakonite | anythign else to get version of? |
| 04:58.47 | kergoth | nah |
| 04:58.51 | kergoth | dunno if that ver was broken or not |
| 04:59.03 | drakonite | hmm... |
| 04:59.14 | kergoth | could always upgrade opie to 0.9.9 |
| 04:59.32 | drakonite | well, i don't think i've seen a newer one.. the version before did this too.. when i try to start it, it makes a clicking noise then doesn't start. |
| 04:59.53 | drakonite | forgive me for sounding like an idiot... but what do i need to do to upgrade opie to 0.9.9? |
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| 05:18.55 | drakonite | thanks for your help kergoth.. is there any specific area of OZ that needs new developers looking at it? |
| 05:19.21 | kergoth | nothing specific, look at the todo list and hack |
| 05:19.50 | drakonite | okay, thanks. now if only bitkeeper will work and quit giving me errors.. |
| 05:23.02 | drakonite | kergoth: can i make a complaint about the snapshot image? |
| 05:24.05 | kergoth | what about it? |
| 05:24.41 | drakonite | when you download it, it has an extra ".gz" extension at the end. (i.e. snapshot.tar.bz2.gz) |
| 05:24.51 | effy-kun | anyone else here have a firewall setup using iptables? |
| 05:25.03 | drakonite | not a big deal... i'm just annoyed cause bitkeeper won't work |
| 05:25.03 | effy-kun | I cant seem to open google, nor can I get Yahoo to perform a search for me though it opens. |
| 05:26.20 | kergoth | drakonite: it doesnt have a .gz, your browser added the .gz. its probably really a tar.gz but named as a .bz2. i'll check |
| 05:26.32 | drakonite | it's bzip2 |
| 05:27.35 | kergoth | well, its not a .gz in filename or in file type then |
| 05:27.58 | kergoth | its something with the web server's mime types and your browser. |
| 05:28.12 | kergoth | both of which are decidedly outside my control |
| 05:28.28 | effy-kun | kergoth: is that for me? |
| 05:28.30 | drakonite | hmm... that's odd... |
| 05:28.31 | drakonite | oh well |
| 05:28.38 | heatzsink | everyone uses the socket cards for bluetooth stuff huh? |
| 05:28.52 | kergoth | effy-kun: nah, talking to drakonite |
| 05:28.56 | effy-kun | heh ok |
| 05:29.43 | drakonite | kergoth: I hope you don't mind me bugging you with more q's :) |
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| 05:30.04 | drakonite | kergoth: what does make menuconfig in buildroot mean by build distribution? the distro I'm using on my desktop? |
| 05:30.29 | kergoth | yes |
| 05:30.43 | kergoth | build = build machine, as opposed to target, the machine you're building for |
| 05:31.02 | drakonite | alright... thats what i thought but just couldn't think of why it'd be asking me that, lol |
| 05:31.32 | kergoth | some distributions have differences when it comes to compiling things |
| 05:31.43 | kergoth | such as the filename of the autoconf 2.5x binary vs the older autoconf binary |
| 05:31.52 | drakonite | ah, i gotcha now. |
| 05:32.09 | drakonite | it's not a uclibc toolchain is it? |
| 05:32.27 | kergoth | ? |
| 05:33.06 | drakonite | there is an option "selected toolchain is uclibc toolchain" which is off by default. but from what I know about uclibc it surprises me it's not used for this. |
| 05:33.46 | kergoth | we dont use uclibc as the default libc on the Z for binary compatibility reasons with sharp |
| 05:33.57 | kergoth | same reason we use gcc2 as the defautl compiler in most cases, and qt2.x vs 3.x |
| 05:34.09 | drakonite | oh. |
| 05:34.25 | drakonite | kinda surprises me sharp didn't use uclibc either... but I guess doesn't surprise me that much, lol |
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| 05:36.36 | drakonite | kergoth: k, got another one ;) should i be telling it 2.4.19, or should it still be 2.4.6? |
| 05:37.00 | kergoth | i'd say use 2.4.6 for now |
| 05:37.33 | nitt | anyone have a problem with low on memory errors causing the system to crash? |
| 05:38.14 | drakonite | nitt: now that you mention it, i think I have had crashes from those.. doesn't happen much though... |
| 05:39.38 | nitt | hrrrmm well the last 4-5 times, I've had to reflash to get the unit to boot. Now I've filled the PIM with all these contacts I've met at a tradeshow and it's hung. it won't respond to anything I do and I am very afraid to flip the switch |
| 05:40.11 | drakonite | nitt: hmm.. I've never had to reflash from it. the worst I've ever had is it kicks me to a text login prompt. |
| 05:41.06 | nitt | well did your unit ever lock up? so that you were forced to force a powerdown? |
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| 05:41.34 | imadcow1 | does the zaurus sl 5500 have a limit on the size of the file you can upload to a cf card? |
| 05:41.37 | kergoth | when did it hang? |
| 05:41.40 | kergoth | imadcow1: no |
| 05:41.47 | drakonite | maybe... but i can't rmemeber ever having that problem. |
| 05:42.16 | nitt | kergoth, shortly after I added some ipkgs to my SD |
| 05:42.20 | imadcow1 | darn... then why does the transfer stop ? |
| 05:42.42 | nitt | I think task-opie-games caused it to lock |
| 05:42.44 | kergoth | imadcow1: depends on the file transfer means, and also which means of communications |
| 05:42.48 | kergoth | s/s$// |
| 05:42.52 | imadcow1 | kergoth: ftp |
| 05:43.07 | kergoth | usb networking with the usbdnet driver *will* experience that problem |
| 05:43.10 | kergoth | guaranteed |
| 05:43.18 | imadcow1 | darn :( |
| 05:43.24 | kergoth | dont use usbdnet |
| 05:43.24 | imadcow1 | I am using the usbnet driver on my machine |
| 05:43.27 | imadcow1 | no D |
| 05:43.31 | kergoth | usbnet shouldnt experience that |
| 05:43.45 | imadcow1 | well it is :( |
| 05:43.52 | imadcow1 | could it just be konqeuror? |
| 05:46.35 | kergoth | could be any number of things |
| 05:46.43 | drakonite | imadcow1: a bit off the topic, but if you do much transfering to media cards at all, i highly recommend getting a usb card reader. |
| 05:46.57 | imadcow1 | drakonite: I am too poor to afford one |
| 05:47.23 | djr | kergoth: oz is really stable, even with the unstable feed |
| 05:47.28 | drakonite | imadcow1: i know sandisk has a cf/sd combo for $20 normal price. and there is a 6-in-1 for $12 (plus S&H) right now on sale (no name, but it should work with linux or windows no problem) |
| 05:47.40 | djr|z | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:47.42 | djr|z | :) |
| 05:47.42 | imadcow1 | do you have 20 bucks I can spare? |
| 05:48.21 | drakonite | lol, sorry... i am trying to decide if i have the $20 to spare to get a 6-in-1 drive to go along with my CF reader, or if I should use it to buy another 64MB sd card... |
| 05:49.04 | imadcow1 | drakonite: ok... if I can get RMS to give you a handjob, will you consider lending me some $-)? |
| 05:49.14 | drakonite | imadcow1: lmao |
| 05:49.31 | imadcow1 | what? |
| 05:51.58 | imadcow1 | ok.. I can ftp into the zaurus.... but I I can't transfer files |
| 05:52.07 | imadcow1 | ftp> bin |
| 05:52.08 | imadcow1 | 200 Command okay |
| 05:52.08 | imadcow1 | ftp> put |
| 05:52.08 | imadcow1 | (local-file) /mnt/media/porn/KaceyAnal.mpg |
| 05:52.08 | imadcow1 | (remote-file) /mnt/cf |
| 05:52.09 | imadcow1 | local: /mnt/media/porn/KaceyAnal.mpg remote: /mnt/cf |
| 05:52.10 | imadcow1 | 227 Entering Passive Mode (192,168,129,201,4,8) |
| 05:52.13 | imadcow1 | 550 Requested action not taken |
| 05:52.27 | drakonite | hmmm... that's odd... |
| 05:52.41 | imadcow1 | sure is :( |
| 05:52.46 | imadcow1 | I want porn on my zaurus |
| 05:52.49 | drakonite | lol |
| 05:52.57 | imadcow1 | I have had no troulbe transferring smaller files |
| 05:53.16 | drakonite | is there enough free space? |
| 05:53.38 | imadcow1 | yes |
| 05:53.46 | drakonite | ...do you remove the card without ejecting it first? |
| 05:53.48 | omoore | imadcow1: have you tried ssh ? |
| 05:53.49 | omoore | imadcow1: specifically.. scp (assuming you've installed the openssh package |
| 05:53.52 | imadcow1 | I can't even put a playlist file on it |
| 05:54.00 | imadcow1 | no I haven't omoore |
| 05:54.13 | imadcow1 | wait.. I have tried ssh |
| 05:54.15 | imadcow1 | just a few minutes ago |
| 05:54.20 | imadcow1 | it works |
| 05:54.22 | omoore | imadcow1: ssh is what i actually used for copying the 10GB file |
| 05:54.27 | omoore | imadcow1: use scp then |
| 05:54.44 | drakonite | how much free space is there? it sounds like it's either out of space or mounted read only for some reason... |
| 05:54.44 | omoore | imadcow1: scp user@host/path/to/file.mpg /mnt/card |
| 05:54.58 | drakonite | what kind of card was it? |
| 05:55.02 | imadcow1 | should I use user:pass@host ? |
| 05:55.05 | imadcow1 | cf |
| 05:55.19 | omoore | imadcow1: no.. you'll be prompted for pass |
| 05:55.26 | imadcow1 | ok |
| 05:55.30 | drakonite | oh, nm... thought you said SD earlier... sd cards have a write lock switch on them, lol |
| 05:55.58 | omoore | imadcow1: scp works pretty much like cp.. except you include user@host: before a path for the remote host |
| 05:56.23 | imadcow1 | oh... so I run scp from my zaurus then? |
| 05:56.33 | omoore | imadcow1: yeah |
| 05:56.38 | imadcow1 | ooh... |
| 05:56.39 | omoore | imadcow1: assuming you've installed it |
| 05:56.44 | omoore | imadcow1: but also... |
| 05:56.54 | omoore | the /mnt/card is for SD cards, not CF cards |
| 05:57.01 | imadcow1 | I know silly |
| 05:57.15 | omoore | k.. thought i saw something further up about that |
| 05:58.40 | imadcow1 | # scp root@192.168.1.100/mnt/media/porn/KaceyAnal.mpg /mnt/cf |
| 05:59.02 | imadcow1 | cp: root@192.168.1.100/mnt/media/porn/KaceyAnal.mpg: No such file or directory |
| 06:00.21 | omoore | imadcow1: scp root@192.168.1.100:/mnt.... |
| 06:00.35 | omoore | imadcow1: note the colon |
| 06:00.37 | imadcow1 | you so didn't type a colon before |
| 06:00.47 | imadcow1 | but it is ok... no route to host |
| 06:00.57 | omoore | my fault |
| 06:01.14 | omoore | i have a band-aid on my finger... |
| 06:01.22 | omoore | typing is abit difficult |
| 06:01.28 | imadcow1 | its ok |
| 06:01.31 | nitt | Kaceyanal.mpg? wtf |
| 06:01.33 | imadcow1 | but it can't find my computer |
| 06:01.44 | omoore | can you ping your computer? |
| 06:01.55 | omoore | do youhave a firewall setup on your computer? |
| 06:01.57 | imadcow1 | no :( |
| 06:01.57 | imadcow1 | nope |
| 06:02.11 | imadcow1 | I can ssh into it fine from another computer |
| 06:02.23 | omoore | ok.. i'm assuming here that you have a network connection on your zaruus.. you do .. right? |
| 06:02.31 | omoore | via usb i assume? |
| 06:02.35 | imadcow1 | it is plugged into the cradle via usb |
| 06:02.43 | imadcow1 | and I followed the instructions for usb over ethernet |
| 06:02.57 | omoore | is anything else working networking realted? |
| 06:03.10 | omoore | ie.. can you install software, ftp, etc? |
| 06:03.45 | imadcow1 | hrm... let me trying internetting |
| 06:04.00 | imadcow1 | well I can't ping yahoo.com |
| 06:04.02 | imadcow1 | darn |
| 06:09.43 | imadcow1 | I guess its broken for all eternity |
| 06:24.17 | imadcow1 | *die |
| 06:24.21 | imadcow1 | *dies |
| 06:24.23 | imadcow1 | :(( |
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| 06:34.12 | imadcow1 | it workos! |
| 06:34.16 | imadcow1 | porn on my zaurus :D |
| 06:34.25 | drakonite | lol |
| 06:34.28 | drakonite | it doesn't work! |
| 06:34.38 | drakonite | trying to compile OZ buildroot |
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| 06:34.46 | imadcow1 | I'm running open zaurus :) |
| 06:35.00 | drakonite | so am I... but i'm trying to compile from source so i can do some hacking on it |
| 06:35.11 | imadcow1 | :) |
| 06:35.36 | imadcow1 | I found that ejecting the cf card and putting it back in worked |
| 06:35.45 | drakonite | did kergoth leave? |
| 06:36.28 | imadcow1 | he is listed as being in here |
| 06:37.02 | drakonite | oh, sounds like something changed how it was mounted or possibly unmounted it... |
| 06:37.07 | drakonite | kergoth: are you still here? |
| 06:38.41 | drakonite | i guess he isn't paying attention to irc... |
| 06:39.46 | imadcow1 | I don't guess so |
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| 08:14.43 | drakonite | kergoth: what version of gcc are you using? |
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| 08:27.33 | Cope | Morning |
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| 09:37.53 | Fare | gakuk |
| 09:37.55 | Fare | anyone here? |
| 09:38.00 | effy-kun | no |
| 09:38.04 | Fare | :) |
| 09:38.22 | Fare | effy: how would you reinstall to root packages that have been erroneously installed to ram? |
| 09:39.18 | effy-kun | huh? |
| 09:50.32 | madeddie | dpkg --purge, dpkg install :) |
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| 10:49.06 | Cope | Can the pim features in OZ sync with Evolution? |
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| 10:57.20 | bobbyd | have you checked the website FAQ and google? |
| 10:57.28 | bobbyd | I dont think so but I'm not sure |
| 10:58.50 | Cope | No mention of it. |
| 10:59.08 | Cope | In fact I didn't see mention of syncing with any desktop applications. |
| 10:59.55 | bobbyd | i think it syncs with something called qtopia desktop, but I'm not sure |
| 11:00.11 | bobbyd | I dont use the pim stuff... |
| 11:00.14 | Cope | Ah yeah - the original zaurus did. |
| 11:00.56 | Cope | Duh |
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| 12:02.55 | Fare | madeddie: ok, so I can purge and reinstall. |
| 12:03.05 | Fare | Now, how do I get a list of the packages installed on /mnt/ram ? |
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| 12:50.05 | madeddie | Fare: hmmm, i have no clue :) my zaurus is dead as a doornail, so can't test |
| 12:50.30 | madeddie | probably something with status or just check the symlinks in /home/Qtdesktop/bin or something |
| 12:51.16 | Fare | this gives the name of the programs, but not of the packages. |
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| 13:10.28 | absentia | morn' |
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| 14:54.24 | Virusmaster | deos someone here know how to get networking via usb for the zaurus to work under linux? |
| 15:02.16 | Virusmaster | got it already... |
| 15:07.11 | ljp | cool |
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| 15:25.31 | nerdboy | don't use usbdnet... |
| 15:26.50 | Cope | I'm finding that after a short while of the Z being off its memory goes, and I have to reset the date etc... yet the battery power seems ok - any ideas why? |
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| 16:49.29 | bbeattie | what store is recommended for buying the c750 or 760? |
| 16:49.42 | bbeattie | - and anyone know if it has usb host/client adaptor, or just client? |
| 16:49.58 | kergoth | i'd say go through brando |
| 16:49.59 | kergoth | ibot: brando |
| 16:50.00 | | hmm... brando is sells/exports the Sharp Zaurus and other electronics http://shop.brando.com.hk/ or mailto:brando@brando.com.hk. C700 $500, C750 $525, C760 $610 USD, (and $45 shipping via fedex) use email for zaurus orders, or plus shipping, or no warranty and japanese sortware. |
| 16:50.09 | kergoth | its client only, like every other z |
| 16:51.17 | bbeattie | is there a pda that has a host? ipaq's maybe? |
| 16:51.37 | kergoth | nope |
| 16:51.42 | kergoth | ipaqs dont |
| 16:51.44 | absentia | or plus shipping or no warrant and japanese software *WHAT* *THE* *HELL* *DOES* *THAT* *MEAN* |
| 16:51.58 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:52.12 | kergoth | ibot's 'is also' handling is kinda odd :) |
| 16:52.29 | Fare | kergoth: how do you list the packages installed on /mnt/ram ? |
| 16:52.36 | Fare | I want to reinstall them on / |
| 16:52.41 | kergoth | ? |
| 16:52.43 | kergoth | ipkg-link mount /mnt/ram |
| 16:52.44 | kergoth | ta da |
| 16:52.47 | curtisv | bbeattie: Didn't know you hung out here. |
| 16:52.48 | kergoth | oh, nevermind |
| 16:52.49 | Fare | nah |
| 16:52.50 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 16:52.53 | kergoth | ipkg status |
| 16:52.59 | Fare | thanks |
| 16:53.08 | kergoth | that should show all packages regardless of dest |
| 16:53.16 | kergoth | but if not, use ipkg -d |
| 16:53.30 | bbeattie | curtisv: I was here daily until a few months ago. |
| 16:54.27 | Fare | how do I show only those on ram ? ipkg -d ram status won't work :( |
| 16:54.37 | kergoth | ipkg -d ram list? |
| 16:54.41 | Fare | neither |
| 16:54.42 | kergoth | or info |
| 16:54.45 | curtisv | bbeattie: working does that, eh. So you are hoping to find a pda w/usb master? |
| 16:54.47 | kergoth | info should work |
| 16:55.30 | Fare | nope :( doesn't display where packages are installed, and won't select only those on ram |
| 16:55.34 | bbeattie | shopping for someone else, and that feature would be nice... Kergoth: do any PDA's, be it palm, clie, other, that support host usb? |
| 16:57.27 | Fare | well, I'll survive. Where do I file a feature request? |
| 16:57.52 | Fare | bbeattie: there are. "under linux", I don't know. |
| 16:58.09 | Fare | the J820 has host USB -- however linux support is deficient. |
| 16:58.26 | curtisv | USB master is a rare feature currently, ask me in person about my quest... In the mean time I have a question about open zaurus file system. seems like the design is broken!? |
| 16:59.01 | Fare | curtisv: what's broken? |
| 16:59.14 | kergoth | what? |
| 16:59.23 | kergoth | curtisv: elaborate. |
| 17:01.01 | curtisv | Quoting from the "how to use" ... " The danger associated with copying the entire /usr directory is that it's required by the boot process. If, for any reason, your SD card fails to mount during the boot process, you won't get a clean boot." This seems to go against the FHS . any comments? |
| 17:01.22 | kergoth | what are you talking about? |
| 17:01.23 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:01.50 | kergoth | whats the deviation from FHS? |
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| 17:04.33 | curtisv | The how to use document could be mistaken, but it suggests that OpenZaurus will not boot properly if you goof with the /usr directory. FHS suggests that everything in a linux system needed to boot should be in the root directory structure. Typical unix useage allows /usr to be a device that is mounted long after boot containing user stuff not boot stuff. So I am trying to figure out if there is a problem or not!? |
| 17:05.00 | kergoth | it refuses to boot because it uses a busybox shell |
| 17:05.17 | kergoth | which needs the /usr/bin/[ link for tests, since [ isnt a builtin. |
| 17:05.38 | kergoth | also, you'll note that nowhere on openzaurus.org do I state we're FHS compliant. |
| 17:05.49 | kergoth | Its certainly a goal, but if we have to deviate, we'll deviate. |
| 17:06.24 | curtisv | I should look but I assume busy box is in /bin? |
| 17:06.34 | kergoth | yes |
| 17:07.10 | Cope | kergoth> For syncing with my laptop do you recommend using the Qtopia package on the laptop/desktop machine? |
| 17:07.17 | kergoth | again, it comes down to the fact that test/[ isnt a builtin in busybox ash |
| 17:07.26 | kergoth | Cope: you mean qtopia desktop? |
| 17:07.38 | Cope | kergoth> I do |
| 17:07.47 | kergoth | up to you. i dont sync :) |
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| 17:07.54 | kergoth | if you use kde, use kitchensync to sync with kdepim |
| 17:07.57 | kergoth | works pretty well |
| 17:08.04 | Cope | kergoth> Blow my mind - why don't you sync? |
| 17:08.32 | curtisv | As an aside I am looking at making a build system and doing a bit of a custom version of OpenZaurus for myself (and others if interested, but need to get up to speed with your design decisions as I could be wrong in my oppinions ;-) |
| 17:08.36 | kergoth | I dont store PIM data on my desktop, my pda is the primary storage means |
| 17:08.43 | kergoth | curtisv: take a look at our new build infrastructure |
| 17:08.51 | kergoth | curtisv: buidlroot is going away |
| 17:09.22 | kergoth | curtisv: openembedded.org |
| 17:09.27 | Cope | kergoth> The pim on the default OZ that I got yesterday - that isn't kdepim is it? |
| 17:09.34 | kergoth | Cope: what? |
| 17:09.39 | kergoth | Cope: i'm talking about the DESKTOP PIM APPS |
| 17:09.45 | kergoth | i.e. what you'r esyncing your Z with |
| 17:09.47 | curtisv | back to busybox... if it is in /bin why are links required for boot in /usr/bin instead of /bin? Is this from sharps original design or for your own reasons? |
| 17:10.02 | kergoth | this isnt that hard to understand |
| 17:10.05 | kergoth | okay, go to a desktop linux box |
| 17:10.14 | Cope | kergoth> Yes, sorry, of course. |
| 17:10.15 | kergoth | and tell me where the 'test' and '[' binaries are located. |
| 17:10.22 | kergoth | I'm willing to bet they're in /usr/bin |
| 17:10.28 | kergoth | which is exactly where they are on OZ |
| 17:10.42 | kergoth | the only reason its *not* a problem on a destkop, is the shell uses the test *builtin* so it doesnt need the external binary |
| 17:10.49 | kergoth | how many times do i have to explain this? |
| 17:11.27 | curtisv | Sorry I've looked elsewhere for info on this but didn't run into it. |
| 17:11.48 | kergoth | I find most of the things you need to know in dealing with embedded linux are best learned first hand |
| 17:14.07 | curtisv | So true, although following previous practices of others sometimes is not best as your design issues may be different. |
| 17:14.55 | kergoth | you'll note i didnt metnion whether the means of learning the skill came through ones own pratcices or some one elses :) |
| 17:15.18 | curtisv | I wave simply wondered why the SD device can't be mounted as /usr. although perhaps this is not ideal either. |
| 17:15.32 | kergoth | well now ya know, its due to the busybox shell not having a test builtin. |
| 17:15.35 | kergoth | there are a few ways we can work around it |
| 17:15.42 | kergoth | but its a rather low priority issue |
| 17:16.24 | curtisv | perhaps it is reasonable to put the links in /bin as they really don't take much space, but it sounds like you have been through this before? |
| 17:16.52 | kergoth | busybox has a config option to move all the links into /bin |
| 17:17.02 | kergoth | but that deviates from desktop linux behavior |
| 17:17.05 | kergoth | which normally has test in /usr/bin |
| 17:17.11 | kergoth | thats one of the options i mentioned |
| 17:17.29 | kergoth | another lets busybox find its own applets, even if there arent any symlinks to those applets in the path |
| 17:17.32 | curtisv | I see. What are the current big issues for OZ? |
| 17:17.42 | kergoth | which would be nice for other reasons, if you hose your busybox links, you can still use the system |
| 17:17.52 | kergoth | so obviously i prefer that solution to the latter, since we gain multiple benefits |
| 17:19.25 | kergoth | currently the biggest priorities are ironing out the kinks in the support for the zaurus sl-c750, sl-c760, and sl-5600 support, as well as kernel development for the Z in general, which you'll note is mentioned on the latest news update on openzaurus.org |
| 17:19.37 | kergoth | (which i just posted this afternoon) |
| 17:20.10 | curtisv | Hmm, I have to think about "lets busybox find its own applets". How would you implement this? In BB shell - recognising its own function names? |
| 17:20.23 | kergoth | yes |
| 17:20.25 | curtisv | Which forum should I be reading? |
| 17:20.29 | kergoth | its already implemented, its a busybox config optoin |
| 17:20.30 | kergoth | option rather |
| 17:20.37 | Grez | anyone got any idea how to get my zaurus to share my net connection via my xp using USB? I've tried following the FAQ at http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website//faq/faq?id=93 but I can't get it working? |
| 17:20.38 | kergoth | forum for what? |
| 17:20.49 | kergoth | Grez: define "can't get it working" |
| 17:21.04 | Grez | can't ping nothing except the xp machine |
| 17:21.10 | curtisv | kergoth: the place you posted? |
| 17:21.33 | kergoth | i jsut told you |
| 17:21.36 | kergoth | OPENZAURUS.ORG |
| 17:21.40 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:21.56 | kergoth | Grez: do a route -n on the Z, is a default/0.0.0.0 route listed? |
| 17:22.19 | absentia | I found that aqpkg didn't work under sharp rom |
| 17:22.26 | absentia | and the old installer was just... nasty. |
| 17:22.28 | kergoth | thats not surprising |
| 17:22.30 | curtisv | duh, I was there earlier looking for discussion like this but somehow missed your post... looking again. |
| 17:22.31 | absentia | I did get the feeds to work from the net under oz, though. |
| 17:22.35 | kergoth | the old ipkg is shell and has different syntax |
| 17:22.41 | kergoth | if you replace ipkg and aqpkg both, it should work |
| 17:22.50 | absentia | although I feel more should come installed by default, that you just have to uncomment.... |
| 17:22.58 | absentia | it's not *too* difficult to vi in a few. |
| 17:23.07 | Grez | kergoth: yep "0.0.0.0 192.168.129.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 usbd0" |
| 17:23.21 | kergoth | Grez: and 192.168.129.1 is the desktop usb ip i take it? |
| 17:23.28 | kergoth | Grez: sounds like your xp box isnt doing what it should be. |
| 17:23.43 | Grez | I can also ping my xp machines lan card but nothing out on the lan. |
| 17:23.59 | Grez | yep 129.1 is my xp machine |
| 17:24.09 | kergoth | are you NATing or just forwarding? |
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| 17:24.45 | Grez | forwarding I guess, not sure.. just did what the faq said |
| 17:25.43 | kergoth | that faq doesnt outline the necessary steps to get onto the net wrt the XP side |
| 17:25.53 | kergoth | you arent forwarding, which is why you cant get anywhere |
| 17:26.57 | Grez | any idea on what I should do then? |
| 17:27.21 | kergoth | busy atm, no time to walk people trhough windowsism |
| 17:27.23 | kergoth | s |
| 17:28.24 | curtisv | kergoth: Is there a good summary of the development process for OZ somewhere? the info on the projcet page assumes a few things. Perhaps this is because it is as simple as grabbing the tree? Anyway just wondering about a general pointer to a place to dig deeper. |
| 17:29.12 | kergoth | curtisv: read docs/ in buildroot |
| 17:29.20 | kergoth | ibot: oz snapshot |
| 17:29.20 | | methinks oz snapshot is http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/snapshot/ or updated every 4 hours by Navi or this is a snapshot of the bk oz buildroot tree use it to compile your own OZ if you don't want to use BK |
| 17:29.22 | kergoth | ibot: oz buildroot |
| 17:29.23 | | extra, extra, read all about it, oz bk is bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
| 17:30.34 | curtisv | kergoth: thanks much, I'll dig in and talk later. (when I can ask intellegent questions. ) |
| 17:31.16 | curtisv | I'm not using BK yet so the snapshot sounds good. |
| 17:31.43 | kergoth | no problem |
| 17:31.53 | kergoth | openembedded.org and openembedded.bkbits.net have the new system |
| 17:32.00 | kergoth | which hasnt yet replaced the old, but will. |
| 17:33.47 | curtisv | I guess I need to look at openembedded.org as well. I have a few other devices that could use new firmware. heh heh |
| 17:34.22 | Grez | wayhay... tiz working ;) cheers for the help!!! |
| 17:41.10 | absentia | <ibot> extra, extra, read all about it, oz bk is bk clone! it's open source, free... get here --> http://www.openzaurus.org/%@%%$GH^@#DDf434%@@334@@#3 |
| 17:42.05 | kergoth | err? |
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| 17:44.13 | absentia | <ibot> extra, extra, read all about it, oz bk is bk clone! it's open source, free... get here --> http://www.openzaurus.org/you/wish |
| 17:44.14 | absentia | better? |
| 17:47.20 | curtisv | hmmm, Not Found |
| 17:47.40 | curtisv | The requested URL /you/wish was not found on this server. I don't know that it is better yet? |
| 17:48.13 | curtisv | perhaps you are thinking of subversion? |
| 17:49.03 | kergoth | curtisv: he's being a smartass |
| 17:49.08 | kergoth | curtisv: dont take us so seriously |
| 17:50.30 | absentia | cur: sorry. please ignore me. |
| 17:50.58 | absentia | I read the line from ibot... and parsed it wrong... reading that openzaurus bk was a "clone of bk" not the command "clone" as passed to "bk" ... |
| 17:55.26 | curtisv | kergoth: It's OK I was being a smart*ss back. |
| 17:56.21 | absentia | cur: it works with newFangledRazzleDazzle browser version 1.0.22.13Z.beta_2.04.jones[34].arc |
| 17:56.31 | curtisv | (seems that there is talk in some circles about the need for a BK clone. unfortunatly, so far it is just talk. ;-) |
| 17:56.46 | kergoth | there are bk interoperability tools, but they suck |
| 17:58.05 | curtisv | Hey, as an aside, has anyone looked at eclipse or thought of building embedded build tools into it? (sorry got to go to lunch now.) |
| 17:58.28 | kergoth | havent looked at it |
| 18:26.37 | absentia | |
| 18:26.39 | absentia | as |
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| 19:54.16 | prh | kergoth: any changce of persuading you to use arch / tla instead of bk? |
| 19:54.26 | kergoth | nope |
| 19:54.32 | kergoth | they arent anywehre near bk in functionality or stability |
| 19:54.35 | kergoth | nor is svn |
| 19:55.28 | prh | hmm |
| 19:56.22 | prh | tla is very very stable. |
| 19:57.08 | kergoth | it still doesnt come anywhere near bk |
| 19:57.08 | prh | it doesnt have gui tools... but is scriptable, transparent, easy to fix if you find a problem... and won't be ripped away from us if the author gets upset |
| 19:57.14 | kergoth | or any of the other normally commerical offerings |
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| 19:58.05 | asys3 | kergoth: thx for the 'news' |
| 19:59.12 | curtisv | Even though I'd like to see use of something FOSS instead of BK, it seems to be a very good choice for now. |
| 19:59.41 | prh | tla is a very good choice now |
| 19:59.51 | kergoth | how many times do i have to tell you? |
| 19:59.58 | kergoth | tla isnt sufficient, nor is arch, svn, or cvs. |
| 20:00.05 | prh | what is missing in tla? |
| 20:00.09 | kergoth | I agree that the licensing sucks, but i'm not switching. period. |
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| 20:00.22 | kergoth | at least not until the other solutions are up to par |
| 20:01.19 | curtisv | Is the BK license really that strict? I can understand it if you are developing code for compitition. but just checking out the competition? insane if true! |
| 20:01.52 | kergoth | afaik its only if you've contributed to a competitor |
| 20:02.19 | curtisv | including bug report or just actual code? |
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| 20:02.51 | prh | kergoth: what is missing from tla? (so I can prod tom lord/ help with those things so we can switch away from bk asap) |
| 20:03.29 | kergoth | I dont know the items off the top of my head, i have them written down somewhere in the doc that outlined the requirements of our CM system |
| 20:03.35 | prh | curtisv: mcvoy said even submitting bug reports or fiddling with the code precludes you from using bk's 'open' license |
| 20:03.43 | Pixel_ | Hey |
| 20:03.57 | prh | kergoth: ah - could I get a copy or find out where that is sometime? |
| 20:04.16 | Pixel_ | I bought a c750 in japan and was wondering if it was worth it to try and install OpenZaurus on it - maybe you guys could help me? |
| 20:04.19 | kergoth | yeah, i'll see if i can find it |
| 20:04.35 | kergoth | c750 only works with oz as of yesterday, its not solid yet |
| 20:04.40 | kergoth | i'll upload an experimental image later |
| 20:04.41 | Pixel_ | woah |
| 20:04.47 | Pixel_ | then i won't |
| 20:08.50 | curtisv | prh: fiddling with code (often done to evaluate a product) sure ends up limiting you then. (of course if you don't kiss and tell...) |
| 20:10.47 | prh | curtisv: yes. I belive I am already exluded from using bk. |
| 20:11.11 | kergoth | could always use pavel's bk interoperability tools, if we make the tree available using rsync |
| 20:11.41 | prh | hmm if you let me rsync, then I could set u pa tla mirror tree |
| 20:13.18 | prh | back in a wee while |
| 20:16.13 | curtisv | kergoth: Not to ask more dumb question, but, I am guessing that you recommend cross development to build OZ? I am running debian (mostly testing). pretty generic but no cross tools currently installed. Any recommendations? |
| 20:16.54 | kergoth | ye,s we normally crosscopmile. just grab a crosscompiler toolchain tarball and have fun |
| 20:17.40 | absentia | www.cnn.com |
| 20:18.05 | curtisv | OK, I will let you know when I get a working image. |
| 20:23.33 | curtisv | kergoth: any news on having new kernels that can be flashed? |
| 20:24.04 | kergoth | hm? |
| 20:24.16 | kergoth | any kernel can be flashed. |
| 20:28.37 | curtisv | you know I am asking about 2.4.19 availability (at least now you do). |
| 20:28.54 | kergoth | i'm working on it as we speak |
| 20:29.39 | curtisv | is it in or out of the tree at this point? (really should have been my first question.) |
| 20:29.45 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:30.01 | kergoth | 'the tree'? |
| 20:30.25 | kergoth | buildroot can build it, yeah |
| 20:30.30 | kergoth | is it in our default builds? no |
| 20:30.35 | kergoth | are its sources in the tree? no |
| 20:30.38 | kergoth | your question was ambiguous |
| 20:31.24 | curtisv | tell you what , I'll stop distracting you and watch for the announcement. I figured that the source was still being cooked. |
| 20:31.45 | kergoth | its not *released*. the sources are available. |
| 20:32.49 | curtisv | ah, thanks. for my first build the kernel really is not too critical anyway. |
| 20:33.01 | kergoth | k |
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| 21:34.23 | bobbyd | hi, anyone here running OZ on a c7x0 ? |
| 21:34.40 | bobbyd | i'm (still) trying to get gcc working without much luck |
| 21:36.27 | ljp | there are people who are. |
| 21:36.35 | ljp | try openzaurus buildroot |
| 21:37.14 | ljp | I have a Oz-qtopia 1.6.2 running on c700 |
| 21:38.41 | bobbyd | ljp: I have OZ running, it's just that I cant get the gcc package to compile code, it cant find crt1.o and I can find it anywhere in the packages (i've grep'd them all) |
| 21:41.19 | kergoth | you need a binutils ipk |
| 21:47.16 | bobbyd | kergoth, if I just compile gcc and binutils for arm it should all work right? |
| 21:47.32 | kergoth | there's already a gcc ipk |
| 21:47.38 | kergoth | or just grab the debian/ARM .deb's |
| 21:47.41 | kergoth | and install em with ipkg |
| 21:48.05 | bobbyd | kergoth: i realise this, but I've installed gcc and binutils and it doesnt work. I'll try the debs thanks |
| 21:48.19 | kergoth | then you need a glibc devel package |
| 21:48.30 | kergoth | libc6-dev, which woul dhave the headers, the glibc start and stop files, and the like |
| 21:48.36 | bobbyd | ok |
| 21:48.38 | bobbyd | i'll look |
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| 21:53.55 | bobbyd | kergoth: is this the package? libc6_2.3.1-3_armv4l-xscale.ipk |
| 21:54.04 | kergoth | no, thats glibc |
| 21:54.09 | kergoth | i said you needed a glibc devel package |
| 21:54.13 | kergoth | i didnt say OZ had one. |
| 21:54.57 | bobbyd | i'm sorry if I seem stupid. OZ has a GCC package which you cant use because it needs files from a package OZ doesnt have? |
| 21:55.12 | bobbyd | if that's the case I'll compile on and put it on my website |
| 21:55.25 | kergoth | yes, thats the case. |
| 21:55.32 | kergoth | i never claimed the gcc packages worked |
| 21:55.40 | kergoth | i added them to the build knowing they would eventually |
| 21:56.05 | bobbyd | ahh ok |
| 21:56.16 | bobbyd | that's ok then! I thought I was just being stupid ;) |
| 22:00.29 | bobbyd | I suppose If I want c++ support I'll have to compile it again? ;) |
| 22:02.17 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:02.31 | kergoth | i didnt build it with c++? i'm pretty sure i did |
| 22:02.37 | bobbyd | It says no |
| 22:02.40 | kergoth | considering ispent like hours fighting libtool to get it to crosscompile properly |
| 22:02.43 | kergoth | "It" |
| 22:02.45 | kergoth | what? |
| 22:03.20 | bobbyd | give me 30 seconds to give you a concise answer, I'll be sure not to be in the least vauge in the future... |
| 22:04.13 | kergoth | k |
| 22:06.26 | bobbyd | when I try to compile a test .cpp file with just "int main() {}" with the command line "gcc test.cpp" gcc gives the message "gcc: test.cpp: C++ compiler not installed on this system" |
| 22:06.51 | bobbyd | sorry, there's a 'return 0;' in the main function obviously |
| 22:07.51 | bobbyd | but I think that's pretty compelling evidence, unless I have a configuration problem |
| 22:08.05 | kergoth | is there a g++ binary installed? |
| 22:08.14 | bobbyd | let me check |
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| 22:10.40 | bobbyd | doesnt look like it, no g++ where gcc is |
| 22:15.18 | kergoth | well then, its not a build problem, its a packaigng problem |
| 22:15.20 | kergoth | packaging rather |
| 22:15.24 | kergoth | thats what i suspected |
| 22:17.15 | bobbyd | ok great, it's good to hear c++ support is knocking around somewhere |
| 22:17.48 | bobbyd | I'll at least find libc6-dev for arm and get it working in C for now |
| 22:26.01 | bobbyd | will I need a libc6 that's been compiled with gcc >3 ? (i'm sorry I'm not aware of all the issues involved, but I know that there are some problems) |
| 22:26.28 | bobbyd | I've found one from July 2000, but I think that will be too old |
| 22:26.47 | prh | bac |
| 22:26.49 | prh | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:29.59 | Chairman | I have openzaurus 3.2 stable on my zaurus. But how do I install programs from testing? |
| 22:38.59 | noidd | is your zaurus network connected? |
| 22:39.44 | Chairman | yes, I have a wless card |
| 22:39.52 | Chairman | it wors perfectly |
| 22:39.54 | Chairman | works |
| 22:40.38 | noidd | in your packages program |
| 22:40.42 | noidd | go to configure |
| 22:40.51 | noidd | choose "testing" |
| 22:40.59 | noidd | click the radio button |
| 22:41.03 | Chairman | noidd: I have |
| 22:41.04 | noidd | hit update |
| 22:41.06 | noidd | then ok |
| 22:41.15 | noidd | ok, |
| 22:41.20 | noidd | tell me what the problem is |
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| 22:41.37 | Chairman | I will try again now |
| 22:41.39 | Chairman | wait a sec |
| 22:42.45 | bobbyd | kergoth: the only reason I bought my zaurus was to program on. I couldnt do that using the sharp rom because the gcc package for the 5500 didnt work on my c700. I changed to openzaurus so I could use the gcc package but It still doesnt work. I cant find libc6-dev anywhere for arm (it doesnt appear to exist). I've had my zaurus for 2 months now and at this point I feel like throwing it in th ebin and buying and ipaq. do you know where |
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| 22:44.13 | Chairman | noidd: it says that it can't find package mplayer |
| 22:44.17 | Aimio | (got cut off at -you know where...) |
| 22:44.22 | kergoth | bobbyd: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/glibc/ |
| 22:44.31 | bobbyd | bian arm linux site but there dont seem to be any .deb files on the mirrors just 'Package' files. I realise it's not your concern if a lowly linux newbie cant get things to work, but I'd appreciate some help |
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| 22:44.36 | kergoth | .. |
| 22:44.39 | bobbyd | thanks |
| 22:44.45 | kergoth | debian testing and unstable point at the package pool |
| 22:45.17 | Chairman | but it seems that the other stuff works |
| 22:46.30 | Chairman | will there be any testing flash files out soon? |
| 22:46.41 | kergoth | .. |
| 22:46.48 | kergoth | openzaurus.org/unofficial/experimental/ |
| 22:46.50 | kergoth | look around. |
| 22:50.29 | bobbyd | kergoth: what are the advantages or otherwise of running full debian on the zaurus? |
| 22:51.22 | kergoth | i see no advantages |
| 22:51.29 | kergoth | ipkg can install debian/ARm .debs if you need them.. |
| 22:51.41 | kergoth | disadvantages, dpkg+apt arent suitable for such a resourcde constrained environment |
| 22:51.47 | kergoth | debian full packages are full of shit you dont need |
| 22:51.56 | kergoth | like docs, man pages, etc that we already painstakingly removed from our packages |
| 22:52.23 | bobbyd | ahh ok |
| 23:03.08 | prh | bed time... |
| 23:03.27 | prh | kergoth: can you msg me if you get anything ready to download? |
| 23:04.21 | kergoth | yeah |
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| 23:09.25 | Cope | kergoth> Interesting - my eyebrows rose when I saw that one could run a debian system on a Zaurus - but as you said, I figured .deb packages are too bloated. |
| 23:11.09 | noidd | perl is a good example |
| 23:11.18 | noidd | almost 50 meg for normal installation |
| 23:11.24 | noidd | we drop it down to near 2meg |
| 23:12.01 | Cope | Whew! Good going! |
| 23:23.23 | Virusmaster | does someone here know a FAT zaurus feed? (i mean fat in puncto much software) |
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