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| 01:15.01 | nasa | Hi, where is the most cutting edge rom? |
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| 02:48.38 | erewhon2 | kergoth: out of curiousity, are you @ TI in the Dallas area? |
| 02:48.48 | kergoth | yep |
| 02:49.27 | erewhon2 | just wondering. (i'm in houston, and there's a large TI facility down in Stafford / Missouri City, but i figured you'd probably be in Dallas.) |
| 02:49.39 | ljp | and he needs to still buy c'boy boots and hat |
| 02:49.45 | erewhon2 | heh |
| 02:50.06 | erewhon2 | if he was in the Houston area, I arrange that... : |
| 02:50.08 | erewhon2 | :) |
| 02:50.28 | erewhon2 | gift certificates from Boottown |
| 02:50.29 | erewhon2 | :) |
| 02:50.47 | erewhon2 | s/I arrange/I could arrange/ |
| 02:53.17 | ljp | he also needs to ride a mechanical bull at some point |
| 02:53.27 | ljp | or at least do some cow tipping |
| 02:53.38 | ljp | :D |
| 02:53.44 | kergoth | oh hellll no |
| 02:53.52 | kergoth | I may be in texas, but i'm no texan |
| 02:53.53 | kergoth | :) |
| 02:54.16 | ljp | awww, c'mon. cow tipping it _fun_ |
| 02:54.27 | ljp | is |
| 02:55.07 | erewhon2 | too bad Gilly's burned down (in Houston; where 'Urban Cowboy' was set / filmed) |
| 02:55.17 | erewhon2 | :) |
| 02:58.18 | erewhon2 | I've lived in Texas since I was 6 (and am now thirtysomething) and "y'all" still doesn't sound right coming from my lips. |
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| 05:29.37 | nightfire | evening al |
| 05:29.43 | nightfire | heh, "all." |
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| 05:32.33 | ljp-laptop_ | al? who's al? |
| 05:32.47 | nightfire | :) |
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| 13:09.42 | anggarda | Compact flash/wifi/network help please. |
| 13:10.32 | anggarda | I have a pretec cf flash which OZ successfully detects. I am however unable to get it to run. |
| 13:11.03 | anggarda | QT-kismet is capable of sniffing packets with the card. I am however unable to access the access point via the network settings. |
| 13:11.23 | anggarda | I have successfully set up a linksys card on this OZ before. Please advice. |
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| 13:13.42 | anggarda | Here is the other thing I realise, when I set QT-Kismet to sharp, the card doesn't detect my network. But when I change the setting in QT-kismet to openzaurus, packets get detected. Am I missing something? |
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| 13:31.23 | Fare | anggarda: same card? |
| 13:31.44 | anggarda | Fare, yes. Same card. |
| 13:31.56 | Fare | no major update in the kernel driver? |
| 13:32.25 | anggarda | kernel drivers? relating to the pretec card? |
| 13:32.37 | Fare | yes |
| 13:33.00 | Fare | maybe APM settings? |
| 13:33.08 | anggarda | APM settings? |
| 13:33.40 | anggarda | I'm more perplexed as to why Kismet could get it to snip packets and oz-network couldn't . |
| 13:36.32 | absentia | anyone know where gnome-config comes from? other than from base gnome? I don't want to have to install (all of) gnome just to compile gaim! |
| 13:41.45 | hardwire | absentia: libgnome-dev most likely |
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| 13:46.08 | anggarda | anyone else with pretec cards? |
| 14:01.18 | Hikey | me |
| 14:06.35 | djr | when cross compiling stuff for the Z, how do you get around "configure: error: cannot run test program while cross compiling" ? |
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| 16:07.47 | kyngel | Is there any way back into Opie when you terminate it? |
| 16:10.02 | kergoth | read the faqs. |
| 16:11.51 | kyngel | Okay, thanks. Found it. |
| 16:15.42 | nightfire | kergoth: you mentioned someone who was running OZ on a 760 last night... this dude on irc? |
| 16:18.06 | yeiazel | I've also seen it with my own eyes |
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| 16:25.22 | nightfire | hmm... does the kernel source that sharp is distributing work out-of-the-box? |
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| 16:44.34 | kergoth | nightfire: yes. |
| 16:44.45 | Fare | yeiazel: salut! |
| 16:45.02 | yeiazel | 'lo |
| 16:45.26 | nightfire | ah, ok. |
| 16:46.49 | yeiazel | Fare: on se connait ? |
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| 17:37.11 | nightfire | hmm.. well, i'm just getting a black screen now |
| 17:37.53 | nightfire | kergoth: should I be using the updater.sh in experimental/husky? |
| 17:38.03 | nightfire | this cd they ship with it is useless :( |
| 17:38.31 | ljp | yes, you must use updater.sh to flash c7xx |
| 17:38.50 | nightfire | anything else? .. just zImage and initrd.bin? |
| 17:39.01 | ljp | zImage.bin |
| 17:39.07 | nightfire | er, yeah |
| 17:39.29 | nightfire | hmm. |
| 17:42.20 | nightfire | sure wish there was a serial port or something on this thing. :/ |
| 17:42.44 | kergoth | buy the serial cable |
| 17:42.46 | kergoth | plug it in |
| 17:42.48 | kergoth | ta da |
| 17:42.51 | nightfire | oh yeah? |
| 17:42.51 | nightfire | haha |
| 17:42.54 | nightfire | wicked |
| 17:43.38 | nightfire | kergoth: do you know if sharp has an equivalent of the c700 card_update (windows binary) for the 760 online somewhere? |
| 17:43.51 | nightfire | i'm not having any luck with my cross compiled kernel |
| 17:44.07 | ljp | using buildroot? |
| 17:44.14 | nightfire | hmm |
| 17:44.28 | nightfire | well, build.sh |
| 17:44.28 | kergoth | the oz buildsystem can build c760 kernel and initrd.bin.. use it |
| 17:44.32 | nightfire | from the c760 rootfs package |
| 17:44.42 | nightfire | really. |
| 17:44.50 | nightfire | ok, i'll try that. |
| 17:47.35 | ljp | takes a bit to understand how to use it, but it is easy to figure out |
| 17:51.59 | nightfire | ljp: I can't seem to find a link anywhere on the page.. is there a tarball somewhere with the OZ build scripts? |
| 17:52.09 | kergoth | uh |
| 17:52.12 | kergoth | search the faqs for 'source' |
| 17:52.13 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:52.16 | nightfire | :) |
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| 17:52.39 | nightfire | thanks. |
| 18:02.12 | nightfire | this is pretty neat. |
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| 18:06.31 | kyngel | Hmm... is the pin layout for the serial port on the C7xx and the SL5500 the same? Could I use a standard Sharp cable or a ZThinCable on it? |
| 18:11.02 | kergoth | yep |
| 18:14.09 | kyngel | Excellent, thanks. |
| 18:19.18 | nightfire | kergoth: did you write this build system? |
| 18:19.46 | kergoth | nightfire: its based on other existing 'buildroot's out there, but *heavily* modified by me for the most part, yes. |
| 18:19.53 | kergoth | its going away though |
| 18:19.59 | kergoth | in favor of a better system |
| 18:20.01 | nightfire | ah |
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| 18:39.47 | Martyn | Hey all .. |
| 18:39.56 | Martyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.55 | nightfire | will any kernel that runs on the c700 run on the c760? or are there fundamental hardware differences? |
| 18:41.25 | kergoth | there are differences. |
| 18:41.29 | kergoth | build for *husky*, not corgi. |
| 18:41.34 | nightfire | uhoh. |
| 18:41.35 | nightfire | :) |
| 18:41.45 | nightfire | i didn't see a husky .config in the def-configs directory |
| 18:41.47 | kergoth | Martyn: no, *OPIE* does not. |
| 18:41.48 | Martyn | -chuckle- Well, at LEAST you can't really brick 'em |
| 18:41.57 | kergoth | openzaurus is a distribution |
| 18:42.00 | kergoth | a distribution doesnt sync |
| 18:42.02 | Martyn | OpenZaurus rather :} |
| 18:42.05 | kergoth | PIM applications do |
| 18:42.05 | kergoth | no |
| 18:42.12 | kergoth | thats like saying does debian sync |
| 18:42.17 | kergoth | no, debian is a distribution |
| 18:42.22 | kergoth | do the KDE PIM apps sync? yes. |
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| 18:56.09 | *** topic/#openzaurus is OpenZaurus project - now a component of the larger Open Embedded infrastructure | Developers welcome in #openembedded | http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?s=5be76b086a395e018104222ab77fc215&act=ST&f=27&t=3668 <- cheap c7x0 with warranty |
| 18:56.09 | XavierXeon | i am not a buisness and if i wanted something like that i would have written some program :) |
| 18:56.11 | bipolar | kergoth: later |
| 18:56.22 | bipolar | XavierXeon: ditto... lol |
| 18:56.43 | nightfire | heh |
| 18:56.43 | Martyn | cyn : Because there is a greater proliferation of 802.11(a,b,g) out there, as well as GSM/GPRS/V3 networks. |
| 18:56.53 | cyn | well |
| 18:57.00 | Martyn | cyn : But bluetooth is a nice option ... like I said, it's a good idea :} |
| 18:57.03 | cyn | perhaps in the enterprise world where you have 1000 chargers |
| 18:57.28 | bipolar | the backup/sync is always done over tcp/ip. so the way it connects should not be an issue. |
| 18:57.34 | nightfire | interestingly, I didn't have to agree to a license or anything to install the bk binaries |
| 18:57.47 | nightfire | so i guess i'm still clear to develop "competitive products" |
| 18:57.48 | bipolar | bluetooth, wifi, ethernet, serial ppp, etn... |
| 18:58.17 | bipolar | nightfire: I'm sure someone would argue that. ;p |
| 18:58.23 | nightfire | haha |
| 18:58.46 | Martyn | nightfire : I always wondered why Linus/Alan/et all went for BitKeeper... although I don't begrudge Larry McVoy for starting the company. It's not like he's become a trillionare :} |
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| 18:59.10 | nightfire | hey nothing wrong with making money |
| 18:59.14 | nightfire | but i totally agree |
| 18:59.25 | nightfire | it must offer some pretty nice features to stick kernel development on it |
| 18:59.25 | nightfire | :/ |
| 18:59.31 | cyn | bipolar: maybe when you run it |
| 18:59.33 | cyn | bipolar: heh |
| 18:59.55 | Martyn | I just had some -serious- issues when Larry went ahead and said "I'll just change the protocol every 6 months" to people who just want to make perl clients .. for example. |
| 18:59.59 | nightfire | for buildroot, should i be running 2.95.3 or 2.95.4? |
| 19:00.15 | Martyn | nightfire : Hey, BitKeeper -is- better than .. say .. CVS. |
| 19:00.19 | nightfire | sure |
| 19:00.24 | nightfire | but what about subversion and the rest? |
| 19:00.30 | nightfire | well, i guess it must be :) |
| 19:00.31 | Martyn | nightfire : But still ... Larry scared the poop out of me with that statement. |
| 19:00.35 | nightfire | yeah. |
| 19:00.39 | nightfire | it's pretty poor |
| 19:00.46 | Martyn | nightfire : Or sourceforge for that matter .. it does a good job of "hanging it all together" |
| 19:00.48 | bipolar | I'm hopeful that a better bk gets built. |
| 19:01.14 | bipolar | source control for open software should be open. Thats just my opinion. |
| 19:01.38 | nightfire | is the bk source available? |
| 19:01.42 | Martyn | Does OpenZaurus have good Java support? There is a good open source SyncML java library.... |
| 19:01.48 | bipolar | bk is nice. I don't even know half the features. |
| 19:01.55 | bipolar | nightfire: not that I know of. |
| 19:02.00 | nightfire | damn. |
| 19:02.09 | Martyn | bipolar : Agreed .. and the minute someone puts together an open source solution with the depth of features BitKeeper offers .. I'm on it like moss on a stone. |
| 19:02.26 | Martyn | BK source is most definately NOT available. Larry is very adamant about that. |
| 19:03.03 | cyn | heh larry |
| 19:03.20 | cyn | bk isn't source control for open software |
| 19:03.23 | cyn | it's source control :P |
| 19:03.31 | nightfire | heh. |
| 19:03.52 | Martyn | cyn : And damned decent source control too. |
| 19:03.57 | nightfire | i wonder if the arm cross compiler would worth through distcc |
| 19:04.21 | Martyn | cyn : It's strong enough, even now, to probably even host the extremely fractious Free/open/net BSD folks .. but they'd never go for it :} |
| 19:04.56 | Martyn | nightfire : I spent most of last week building the XScale optimized GCC 3 compiler. It's a pain in the ass! |
| 19:05.19 | Martyn | nightfire : I'd hate to think what would be neede to build the x86-->XScale/ARM compiler. |
| 19:05.28 | Martyn | s/nedde/needed |
| 19:06.17 | nightfire | heh. |
| 19:06.31 | nightfire | man this kernel is great |
| 19:06.34 | nightfire | lufs built in |
| 19:07.19 | nightfire | hmm |
| 19:07.23 | nightfire | no sdmmc support in this kernel eh |
| 19:07.29 | Martyn | Not -yet- |
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| 19:07.34 | nightfire | has anyone managed to link the sharp binary in? |
| 19:07.37 | nightfire | at runtime |
| 19:07.55 | nightfire | s/binary/module |
| 19:08.05 | nightfire | well, i'm just going to be using memory |
| 19:08.08 | Martyn | nightfire : What does the module support, out of curiosity? |
| 19:08.20 | nightfire | well, as far as i know, just memory |
| 19:08.21 | nightfire | but.. |
| 19:08.36 | nightfire | i had this thing about 2 hours before i toasted the sharp rom :) |
| 19:08.39 | nightfire | and now i can't even get it back |
| 19:08.40 | nightfire | haha |
| 19:08.43 | Martyn | So the sharp module is to support SDIO/Flash? |
| 19:08.54 | nightfire | i don't think it supports sdio |
| 19:08.55 | nightfire | but i'm not sure |
| 19:09.05 | Martyn | Just Compact Flash then? |
| 19:09.14 | bipolar | my Z is a brick.... wahhhh! |
| 19:09.46 | nightfire | well, it does support MMC cards |
| 19:09.47 | Martyn | bipolar : What? Even the bootloader is gone? |
| 19:09.56 | nightfire | but memory only (not bluetooth, gprs, etc) |
| 19:10.01 | bipolar | Martyn: no.. I let the battery go completely dead. |
| 19:10.07 | bipolar | Martyn: now it won't charge. |
| 19:10.12 | Martyn | bipolar : Firmware problem? |
| 19:10.18 | bipolar | Martyn: no. |
| 19:10.25 | Martyn | bipolar : Oh, just a dead battery :} |
| 19:10.31 | nightfire | how close is openzaurus to familiar? |
| 19:10.39 | Martyn | Well, aren't they replaceable on that unit? |
| 19:10.47 | nightfire | from a filesystem/package mgmt perspective |
| 19:10.49 | pb_ | about this close: --> <-- |
| 19:10.53 | bipolar | Martyn: the charging circut is software controled. |
| 19:10.59 | Martyn | Oh dear lord. |
| 19:11.15 | bipolar | Martyn: it's tricky to get it started when there is no juice. |
| 19:11.21 | Martyn | So it has to have _some_ residual charge in order to charge at all? -wow- |
| 19:11.40 | bipolar | Martyn: It should charge after a hard reset. |
| 19:11.43 | Martyn | If ever there was a place to put a power safety part :} |
| 19:14.21 | ljp | my cat just stole me chair |
| 19:14.42 | bipolar | ljp: you are bigger then your cat. Throw it off your chair. |
| 19:14.43 | Martyn | Okie Dokey ... downloading and installing OpenZaurus |
| 19:15.25 | kyngel | Yeah, it took me all of two days to decide that we'd be better off using OZ at work instead of TheKompany ROM. |
| 19:15.32 | ljp | ibot chant |
| 19:15.33 | | great googli-moogli! great googli-moogli! great googli-moogli! |
| 19:16.13 | ljp | mertyn: try asking that on opie mailing list |
| 19:16.37 | bipolar | Martyn: or #opie :) |
| 19:16.50 | Martyn | ljp : Will do, after I've had a chance to read through the OPIE source code, and play a bit with OpenZaurus on this unit here. |
| 19:17.06 | Martyn | What's the best place to get information on the bootloader that the Zaurus is using? |
| 19:18.08 | Martyn | OOoooo .. HostAP support! |
| 19:18.30 | ljp | I _think_ it uses angel bootloader |
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| 19:22.15 | Martyn | ljp : Hmm .. so the same basic bootloader as most ARM/CE based devices are based off of? |
| 19:22.27 | Martyn | ljp : Non open source then .. is there an open replacement? |
| 19:22.36 | Martyn | (just out of curiosity) |
| 19:23.03 | ljp | not that I know of. none of th eopen source roms touch the bootloader |
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| 23:44.40 | *** topic/#openzaurus is OpenZaurus project - now a component of the larger Open Embedded infrastructure | Developers welcome in #openembedded | http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?s=5be76b086a395e018104222ab77fc215&act=ST&f=27&t=3668 <- cheap c7x0 with warranty |
| 23:45.16 | W8TVI- | ibot: wb |
| 23:45.17 | | thx |
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| 23:50.59 | Pendalar | I could mess up ipkg again ^_^ |
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