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| 00:12.00 | scribe | Hey kergoth! Nice to have you back |
| 00:12.14 | kergoth | hey scribe |
| 00:12.17 | kergoth | howve ya been? |
| 00:12.31 | scribe | struggling thru a summer math class. |
| 00:12.38 | scribe | but other than that, pretty good |
| 00:13.33 | scribe | the latest sharp rom doesn't run everything as root, does it? |
| 00:13.40 | kergoth | nah it doesnt |
| 00:13.57 | scribe | we had some issues with our users where they couldn't run out software on the latest sharp rom |
| 00:14.13 | scribe | I only have a 5000D and couldn't test it |
| 00:14.24 | kergoth | ah |
| 00:14.26 | scribe | but we had a user say that he changed permissions of some files and it worked |
| 00:14.32 | scribe | so that was my guess. |
| 00:15.06 | scribe | How's Texas? |
| 00:15.15 | kergoth | hot |
| 00:15.16 | kergoth | very hot |
| 00:15.18 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:15.20 | kergoth | other than that, not bad |
| 00:15.25 | scribe | :) |
| 00:15.33 | kergoth | having a job doing actual coding rocks |
| 00:15.37 | kergoth | *finally* no tech support |
| 00:15.42 | scribe | ha! I'm in AZ. I know HOT :) BUT, at least it's a dry heat here. |
| 00:15.48 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:15.55 | kergoth | god i hate the humidity man |
| 00:15.57 | kergoth | so muggy |
| 00:15.58 | kergoth | blech |
| 00:16.09 | absentia | It was 111F in vegas at 6:13 when I was just there |
| 00:16.17 | scribe | yeah, coding for dollars rulez |
| 00:16.31 | scribe | anyone heading to SF for linuxworld? |
| 00:16.33 | absentia | I get to whine on #oe all day for dollars. |
| 00:16.38 | kergoth | i would if i wasnt so broke |
| 00:16.42 | absentia | previously, I was warming a chair in europe.. for dollars. |
| 00:16.45 | absentia | computers roxor. |
| 00:16.49 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:16.50 | kergoth | yep |
| 00:16.54 | kergoth | i wish i couldve made it to OLS this year |
| 00:17.25 | scribe | absentia: :) What were you doing in eu? |
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| 00:33.24 | Pendalar | kergoth is there going to be a safe system for fully updating eventually? |
| 00:33.44 | Pendalar | I know if you magically do the correct order w/o running out of memory you can but it's kinda rough |
| 00:34.01 | Pendalar | I've done it twice, but lately I just render ipkg useless |
| 00:35.05 | kergoth | eventually yes |
| 00:35.09 | kergoth | having jffs2 that doesnt suck in 2.4.21 helps |
| 00:36.27 | Pendalar | every time I upgrade ipkg, every upgrade or install after that just downloads the file then does nothing with it |
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| 02:26.09 | Pixel_ | kergoth: Hows CL-S750 support comming along ? |
| 02:26.22 | kergoth | untouched, been busy with work and 2.4.21 for 5500 |
| 02:27.52 | Pixel_ | Okay - btw, are you the sole developer on the project ? |
| 02:28.05 | kergoth | there are some that contribute |
| 02:28.10 | Pixel_ | if yes, by choice or curcimstance |
| 02:28.13 | Pixel_ | Oh |
| 02:28.24 | Pixel_ | Just kinda seems like you do all the work |
| 02:28.28 | kergoth | its still mostly me in a lot of areas, but OZ supports alot more than zaurus nowadays |
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| 02:28.38 | kergoth | so there are those than maintain packages and bits for simpad, ipaq, etc |
| 02:28.52 | kergoth | I do all the kernel development, all the policy decisions and build infrastructure work |
| 02:28.57 | kergoth | and a great deal of the package maintainance |
| 02:29.06 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth is god |
| 02:29.07 | Pixel_ | aka - most of the work |
| 02:29.21 | kergoth | Pixel_: pretty much, yes. |
| 02:29.30 | kergoth | hoping thatll improve once we move to the new build infrastructure |
| 02:29.44 | kergoth | which will decrease the learning curve in OZ/OE involvement |
| 02:30.11 | W8TVI | you mean even I'll be able to do something? |
| 02:30.21 | kergoth | well i dunno about you |
| 02:30.24 | kergoth | but most yeah |
| 02:30.24 | kergoth | :P |
| 02:30.26 | W8TVI | :P |
| 02:30.33 | Pendalar | everyone but george- |
| 02:30.39 | Pixel_ | ... and me |
| 02:30.43 | W8TVI | you were supost to say "no" |
| 02:30.55 | W8TVI | next time I'll send you a message before hand...lol |
| 02:31.02 | Pendalar | kergoth why will the coming structure going to be easier to learn? |
| 02:31.04 | Pendalar | in general |
| 02:31.29 | kergoth | because the package metadata file is far cleaner, simpler, and easier |
| 02:31.42 | kergoth | far less difficult to add packages to the system and maintain them |
| 02:32.00 | kergoth | and we'll have tools that wrap even that. 'add a package' wizard type thing. |
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| 02:32.15 | Pendalar | I thought it was pretty simple so far.. |
| 02:32.25 | Pendalar | other than ipkg need a midol |
| 02:32.30 | kergoth | look at a multi subpackage makefile in buildroot sometime |
| 02:32.34 | kergoth | ssh, ncurses, or glibc |
| 02:32.43 | kergoth | not exactly clean and clear. |
| 02:32.47 | kergoth | far from, in fact |
| 02:32.59 | kergoth | i'm talking about the build infrastructure, not the target distribution |
| 02:33.17 | Pendalar | I meant more for the average dev who makes a program which might have 5 whole files, 3 of which are probably .png's |
| 02:33.42 | kergoth | ? |
| 02:33.56 | kergoth | we're talking about learning curve for maintaining applications in openzaurus's buildsystem here |
| 02:34.01 | kergoth | not the learning curve of application development |
| 02:34.44 | Pendalar | I was refering to introducing new applications into the OZ buildsystem |
| 02:35.10 | kergoth | even so, the system is rather intimidating for newcomers |
| 02:35.17 | Pendalar | although I guess not too many more apps can come with an image |
| 02:35.18 | kergoth | particularly the fact that there are often failures upstream |
| 02:35.44 | Pendalar | before you start having to have images with a minimal app set, images with a full app set, blah blah |
| 02:51.23 | Pendalar | and all the irc networks I'm on go silent |
| 02:51.39 | Pendalar | as if for a brief moment, the world has nothing to say |
| 02:51.54 | Pendalar | and somewhere, you hear a nuke explosion |
| 03:00.03 | Pendalar | apparently it hit australia.. poor dingos.. |
| 03:02.14 | Pendalar | kergoth this should cheer you up a bit http://www.orphankittenrescue.com/images/pic17673.jpg |
| 03:02.25 | Pendalar | supposing you haven't seen it before anyways |
| 03:13.16 | Joelw_ | South Australia appears to be explosion free! :) |
| 03:13.48 | Joelw_ | One would liven up my day a bit. *looks for some common household chemicals* |
| 03:14.06 | Pendalar | you'd think as stupid as some of the crap I can up with on a moment's notice would spark some sort of conversation |
| 03:14.40 | Joelw_ | Pendalar: So! How about that local sports team? |
| 03:17.11 | koyote | who here believes there is anything serious behind the latest security alert? |
| 03:17.23 | Joelw_ | Which security alert? |
| 03:17.26 | kergoth | security alert? |
| 03:17.30 | absentia | no |
| 03:17.57 | W8TVI | security alert? |
| 03:17.57 | absentia | something about more insane muslims may try to hijack planes |
| 03:17.59 | absentia | what else is new? |
| 03:18.18 | Joelw_ | Insane people have been hijacking planes for literally hundreds of years. |
| 03:18.25 | koyote | the latest one is about hijackings, i think |
| 03:18.41 | koyote | I'm just curious if the credibility gap is as big as i think it is now |
| 03:19.11 | Joelw_ | absentia: Yeah, it was a bit more difficult to wield a crossbow in the cockpit. |
| 03:19.28 | absentia | ya |
| 03:19.41 | absentia | every passenger was needed to flap their arms just to keep te plane in the air |
| 03:20.02 | Joelw_ | As long as more people believed that the plane would fly than people believed it wouldn't, they were okay. |
| 03:20.06 | kergoth | did they have to run really fast like the flintstones car to take off? |
| 03:20.45 | Pendalar | heh |
| 03:22.29 | absentia | guy on slashdot says palm is better (for the os on the run) |
| 03:22.34 | absentia | asks what's better? |
| 03:22.45 | absentia | theother guy asks how does the first guy like sshin' with graffiti |
| 03:22.45 | absentia | hehe |
| 03:23.58 | Pendalar | Palm is somewhat better for average PDA use |
| 03:24.12 | Pendalar | but then again, that's why Zaurus has PMT not PDA written on it |
| 03:24.43 | Pendalar | and a third note, although I say it too.. there's no such thing as Palm OS.. it's PalmSource OS now ;-) |
| 03:27.13 | W8TVI | The Zaurus is a tool, not a toy |
| 03:27.14 | absentia | I like the zaurus |
| 03:27.20 | absentia | just needs more ram |
| 03:27.48 | koyote | palm is good for a lot of things |
| 03:27.58 | Pendalar | all I want out of it is longer batt life, but I have a 5500 and a high drain wifi CF |
| 03:28.01 | koyote | but not toolchain, remote sysadmin, nor security work |
| 03:28.02 | Pendalar | so I can't expect much |
| 03:28.04 | koyote | IMO |
| 03:28.13 | absentia | ya |
| 03:28.16 | absentia | you can't wifi on battery |
| 03:28.18 | absentia | I agree |
| 03:28.21 | absentia | but that will come with time. |
| 03:28.21 | koyote | I do okay |
| 03:28.28 | koyote | I wifi for 45 minutes on mine |
| 03:28.32 | absentia | I just want to develop my perl code |
| 03:28.36 | koyote | which isn't a lot, I know |
| 03:28.38 | absentia | and/or learn python qt |
| 03:28.39 | Pendalar | if you had a 5600 or any with the better batt, and a socket wifi, you should be alright |
| 03:28.44 | absentia | ya, I get about 30 with mine. |
| 03:28.47 | koyote | I need gcc on my 755 and it's not happening yet |
| 03:28.51 | absentia | depending how much I dl and range, etc. |
| 03:28.57 | Pendalar | koyote: I get maybe 30 if I'm doing something which requires a decent amount of cpu |
| 03:29.02 | absentia | I want to get a 750 |
| 03:29.04 | absentia | I only have 700 now |
| 03:29.17 | Pendalar | I have 2.95 GCC *Shrug* |
| 03:29.17 | koyote | my 750 really is nice |
| 03:29.23 | koyote | the 760 is a bit better, though |
| 03:29.26 | W8TVI | I want a 760 |
| 03:29.34 | absentia | why? |
| 03:29.38 | absentia | looks too big |
| 03:29.44 | absentia | 750 = 700 size |
| 03:29.49 | koyote | pendalar: my problem is getting it on. basically speaking, the default install of os sucks for that. |
| 03:29.57 | Pendalar | mspencer is working on gcc 3.x for zaurus |
| 03:30.02 | W8TVI | more battery power |
| 03:30.03 | koyote | 760 is the same size |
| 03:30.11 | kergoth | Pendalar: uh, oz has had a gcc3 ipk for ages |
| 03:30.15 | koyote | maybe a touch thicker. |
| 03:30.17 | absentia | you canget an external power if you want more |
| 03:30.26 | koyote | but the 760 has more flash |
| 03:30.27 | absentia | I flew across the us with the 700 playing games and listening to mp3s |
| 03:30.27 | Pendalar | I don't trust a GCC install to ipk |
| 03:30.31 | Pendalar | sorry =-) |
| 03:30.32 | absentia | and I didn't use 50% of 1 battery |
| 03:30.33 | kergoth | then you're an idiot. |
| 03:30.34 | absentia | and I have 2 |
| 03:30.35 | Pendalar | heh |
| 03:30.41 | kergoth | an ipk is a tarball with metadata. |
| 03:30.41 | W8TVI | I dont want to have to carry a stupid external battery pack |
| 03:30.42 | kergoth | thats it. |
| 03:30.45 | absentia | pend: gcc ipks worked just fine for me. |
| 03:30.57 | kergoth | now we do need a libc6-dev ipk |
| 03:31.00 | Pendalar | I mean I don't trust the install, not the data within |
| 03:31.03 | kergoth | and a fixed up binutils ipk |
| 03:31.06 | kergoth | Pendalar: eh? |
| 03:31.08 | absentia | w8: just for wifi.... a small cigarette sized one.. would last for 1/2 a day |
| 03:31.15 | kergoth | that doesnt make much sense |
| 03:31.29 | Pendalar | a lot of devs can't make decent postinstall etc scripts |
| 03:31.48 | absentia | I want to get a solarpower/recharger too |
| 03:31.51 | W8TVI | absentia: i'd also like to be able to go for 2 days on one charge |
| 03:32.00 | kergoth | Pendalar: uh, OZ packages have decent scripts. |
| 03:32.01 | W8TVI | my sj-20 could go for a week |
| 03:32.06 | Pendalar | kergoth: if you guys already have it, why is mspencer working on it? |
| 03:32.06 | absentia | wifi? |
| 03:32.09 | kergoth | Pendalar: 90% of hte packages out there are crap |
| 03:32.12 | W8TVI | no |
| 03:32.15 | kergoth | Pendalar: but the OZ ones arent part of that 90% |
| 03:32.24 | Pendalar | kergoth I'm not saying your feed, I'm saying packages in general |
| 03:32.25 | kergoth | Pendalar: because he is on this weird kick where he wants to build it native not cross |
| 03:32.27 | absentia | I found that dropping the screen brightness |
| 03:32.30 | absentia | is what extends the battery |
| 03:32.30 | kergoth | Pendalar: which is idiotic |
| 03:32.32 | Pendalar | I know you take pains to check your own |
| 03:32.35 | absentia | drop it down a notch or two |
| 03:32.45 | absentia | you'll not notice the dimness, but you will notice the battery life. |
| 03:32.52 | Joelw_ | I just run it with the display turned off. |
| 03:33.01 | W8TVI | I turn it of when I'm out side |
| 03:33.28 | W8TVI | and in the dark I run it on level 1 |
| 03:33.31 | Joelw_ | You can make up an overlay to stick over the screen so that you know what you're tapping on even when the display's not on. |
| 03:33.57 | absentia | ditto |
| 03:34.05 | W8TVI | bck in a few |
| 03:34.26 | koyote | I just want a good stable hybrid for the 750 that will let me compile natively when I need to, run a realplayer hack, icecast server, ssh and native screen, and do perl 5.8 |
| 03:34.30 | koyote | hrm |
| 03:34.30 | koyote | and korn |
| 03:34.33 | koyote | must have korn |
| 03:34.41 | koyote | worst thing about my mac |
| 03:34.48 | koyote | doesn't come with korn |
| 03:34.58 | absentia | agreed |
| 03:35.05 | absentia | I want to see mame run at a reasonable rate! |
| 03:35.14 | absentia | 400mhz and it snails along at 20% speed needed. |
| 03:35.28 | absentia | ksh is overrated |
| 03:36.36 | koyote | I disagree |
| 03:36.52 | koyote | I have several thousand lines of code in ksh on production servers right now. |
| 03:36.58 | koyote | it's not just something to play with |
| 03:37.03 | absentia | what does that mean? |
| 03:37.13 | absentia | gimme 1 day and I'll translate it to sh or faster perl |
| 03:37.14 | koyote | I use it for real- and bash isn't always there (or is too big sometimes) |
| 03:37.20 | absentia | I hate bash |
| 03:37.22 | absentia | can't stand it |
| 03:37.27 | koyote | ksh > sh |
| 03:37.34 | koyote | and perl is even bigger than bash |
| 03:37.41 | absentia | how is ksh >sh? |
| 03:37.53 | W8TVI | bck |
| 03:38.04 | absentia | I'm a serious sh scripter. |
| 03:38.32 | kergoth | yay for portable posix sh scripting |
| 03:38.34 | kergoth | down with bashisms! |
| 03:38.56 | koyote | they are often really similar |
| 03:39.02 | absentia | by george, I think he's got it! |
| 03:39.08 | absentia | no, seriously |
| 03:39.08 | koyote | I find ksh has usability improvementson the command line |
| 03:39.12 | absentia | what do you do in ksh... |
| 03:39.16 | absentia | that requires you to use ksh? |
| 03:39.22 | absentia | wait |
| 03:39.27 | absentia | ksh scripting.. |
| 03:39.28 | absentia | not command line. |
| 03:39.31 | absentia | two different things. |
| 03:39.48 | absentia | I don't run sh for interactive, I run tcsh. |
| 03:39.57 | absentia | only because I've been too lazy to switch to zsh |
| 03:40.29 | kergoth | koyote: chances are you dont even use ksh specific features, or if you do, you shouldnt be. |
| 03:40.33 | koyote | ugh |
| 03:40.41 | absentia | kergoth: exactly! |
| 03:40.54 | absentia | the only thing I see out of ksh is $( |
| 03:40.58 | absentia | and that's mostly useless. |
| 03:41.05 | koyote | there are admittedly only rare times when ksh is absolutely mandated, but it is a superset, and it does happen |
| 03:41.11 | absentia | really |
| 03:41.14 | absentia | give 1 example |
| 03:41.19 | absentia | where it is absolutely mandated? |
| 03:41.24 | koyote | you know, I'm looking. |
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| 03:41.29 | absentia | ah |
| 03:41.29 | absentia | ok |
| 03:41.32 | kergoth | rarely occasionally i find myself wishing i cuold use bash's array variables |
| 03:41.33 | koyote | and I haven't found any cases in this week's work |
| 03:41.40 | kergoth | other than that, i stick to sh scripting |
| 03:41.47 | absentia | kergoth: why do you need arrays? |
| 03:41.51 | Pendalar | any of you guys use cpan often? |
| 03:42.03 | absentia | pendalar: only as often as I'm forced to... |
| 03:42.10 | kergoth | absentia: occasionally I need a fairly complex data structure. but in those cases i'll often just output a file |
| 03:42.22 | absentia | kergoth: I'm still not sure what that means. |
| 03:42.29 | Pendalar | amen but I'm wondering if it's safe to kill the .cpan dir under root after everything has finished |
| 03:42.31 | kergoth | ? |
| 03:42.33 | kergoth | its clear enough to me |
| 03:42.39 | kergoth | i need more than one dimension |
| 03:42.48 | kergoth | essentially a matrix of data |
| 03:42.53 | absentia | ya |
| 03:42.57 | absentia | you can wipe it |
| 03:43.00 | kergoth | representing that in a shell variable lwhen you dont have newlines in the var is a bitch |
| 03:43.09 | kergoth | s/dont/cant/ |
| 03:43.18 | absentia | again, I don't see why or how a matrix would be needed |
| 03:43.30 | Pendalar | wbat is .. the matrix? |
| 03:43.32 | absentia | if you're just assigning vars and recalling them, then you can emulate the array/matrix |
| 03:43.45 | kergoth | absentia: yeah, and most of the time thats sufficient |
| 03:43.45 | koyote | I'll provide 3 basic reasons why my *site* prefers korn |
| 03:43.49 | absentia | if you're wanting to do slicing and dicing of the array itself, then, ya, sh doesn't have that. |
| 03:43.55 | koyote | 1 is that it's on everything we script on by default |
| 03:44.02 | absentia | but it does have positional parameters.. and it's fairly fast up to 100 or so.... |
| 03:44.04 | koyote | some of the odder new OSen don't have bourne |
| 03:44.12 | koyote | which is odd and broken, but true |
| 03:44.13 | absentia | 1 is circular |
| 03:44.15 | absentia | not a reason. |
| 03:44.17 | koyote | bash is not a replacement |
| 03:44.22 | koyote | 2 is printf |
| 03:44.52 | absentia | printf built in.. vs /usr/bin/printf |
| 03:44.53 | absentia | ok, that's nice. |
| 03:45.05 | koyote | and 3 is that we all have, by concensus, managed to settle on korn - which is an amazing feat since we have too many bash disciples and c whackos |
| 03:45.18 | kergoth | what shell you use on your boxes is *irrelevent* |
| 03:45.19 | absentia | basically, again, I don't see a reason. |
| 03:45.22 | kergoth | if you coded for /bin/sh, it'd work everywhere |
| 03:45.23 | absentia | I'm not trying to egt you to change |
| 03:45.26 | kergoth | and still work on ksh |
| 03:45.26 | koyote | oh, the speed differences can be noticeable, but we ususally use native c for really fast stuff |
| 03:45.30 | absentia | just trying to figure out why people say that ksh is required |
| 03:45.39 | absentia | kergoth: exactly. |
| 03:45.43 | kergoth | absentia: *cough*ignorance*cough* |
| 03:45.47 | kergoth | ;) |
| 03:46.07 | koyote | I've given up on answering irc trolls |
| 03:46.20 | koyote | so feel free to call me ignorant without the fancy text formatting |
| 03:46.32 | absentia | no, really.. I'm trying to learn. |
| 03:46.41 | kergoth | I didnt call you ignorant, i'm stating that most who say they require korn or bourne again really dont. |
| 03:46.50 | koyote | okay |
| 03:46.50 | kergoth | so most folks are ignorant about the subject |
| 03:46.53 | koyote | I'll accept that |
| 03:47.05 | absentia | the dbas where I work all use ksh |
| 03:47.09 | absentia | they say the same thing |
| 03:47.10 | absentia | required |
| 03:47.13 | absentia | but they use it for interactive |
| 03:47.15 | koyote | the only thing I see that I can't find in sh right now on recent stuff is printf |
| 03:47.22 | absentia | I said: just because you use it for interactive, doesn't mean that you have to use it for scripting |
| 03:47.24 | absentia | and vice versa. |
| 03:47.29 | kergoth | exactly |
| 03:47.32 | koyote | and we do often settle on one shell only on a host |
| 03:47.32 | absentia | I also worked.. briefly at a place that forced me to use ksh |
| 03:47.37 | absentia | that didn't last long. |
| 03:47.53 | absentia | well, I don't know what you're doing with printf |
| 03:47.59 | absentia | if I knew, I could probably find a way around it. |
| 03:48.07 | koyote | if ksh is a superset of sh and doesn't matter, then why would using ksh offend you so? |
| 03:48.14 | kergoth | you're limiting portability |
| 03:48.16 | kergoth | unnecessarily |
| 03:48.18 | absentia | because it's broken. |
| 03:48.24 | koyote | which ksh? |
| 03:48.26 | absentia | same thing with bash |
| 03:48.39 | koyote | kergoth: you just stated that you could code only sh applicable commands |
| 03:48.39 | absentia | I can't stand root shell with bash under linux.. I know WHY it was done... |
| 03:48.40 | absentia | but I can't stand it |
| 03:48.42 | kergoth | playing with embedded will show you non portable scripts pretty damn fast |
| 03:48.52 | absentia | when I get shells that say "well, bash is compatible!" but the bash shit WONT run under sh! |
| 03:48.55 | absentia | "well, it runs for me" |
| 03:48.58 | absentia | gee, thank YOU. |
| 03:49.05 | Pendalar | jerry jerry jerry |
| 03:49.54 | nerdboy | where's ben? |
| 03:50.13 | kergoth | mmmm ice cream |
| 03:50.24 | koyote | see, pdksh we won't use |
| 03:52.40 | absentia | ? |
| 03:52.54 | absentia | wanna see my base shell module? |
| 03:52.57 | absentia | it's good for a launch. |
| 03:52.59 | absentia | er |
| 03:53.00 | absentia | laugh |
| 03:59.31 | absentia | perl -ape 's/([^\$]|^)#.*//; s/^\s+$//' |
| 03:59.50 | koyote | oops |
| 03:59.55 | koyote | resend that? |
| 04:00.05 | absentia | ("@_" =~ m@(?:^|\n)\s*\b$pat\b\s+(?:[^\n]*?)\s*([^\n\s]+?)\s*(?:#[^\n]*?)?\s*(?=\n)@ig); |
| 04:00.05 | koyote | I was chaning a diaper |
| 04:00.07 | absentia | ok |
| 04:00.22 | absentia | may not work, i've never dcc'd from here.. it's a friend's box. |
| 04:02.50 | absentia | I have a command.. I just pased above (the first one) |
| 04:03.07 | absentia | I call.. unscottify.. that removes all my comments... from my sh/perl scripts. |
| 04:04.30 | absentia | if you can't dcc, I could mail it to ya... |
| 04:05.29 | absentia | I particularly like function __ |
| 04:05.32 | absentia | (use to be _) |
| 04:06.00 | koyote | not working, it seems |
| 04:06.08 | koyote | I'm at christof@stream.aol.net |
| 04:06.16 | koyote | and yeah, that's what I do :) |
| 04:07.17 | absentia | ok, mailed |
| 04:07.21 | absentia | don't laugh too hard. |
| 04:07.29 | absentia | I have the same in perl.. it's more powerful, and only like 10 lines. |
| 04:09.30 | koyote | cool |
| 04:09.39 | koyote | I don't do much perling |
| 04:09.44 | koyote | though i may have to soon |
| 04:10.43 | absentia | I gave up on perl.. it use to bus error with my code. |
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| 04:11.40 | absentia | so I switched to java... but it didn't have the power that I needed in AWT, so my first OO program/project was writing SCAWT (Scott's Combined Additional Widget Toolkit) .. was neat.. was based on 3d with light angles, etc... |
| 04:12.03 | kergoth | I've really taken to python |
| 04:12.08 | kergoth | use it all teh time for prototyping |
| 04:12.09 | absentia | I was able to put up 100,000 objects on the screen and find the one I clicked on (with overlap) at the same speed.. no matter how many objects were on the screen |
| 04:12.31 | absentia | didn't have any fonts, so I wrote a font editor in SCAWT.. drew fonts.. (vector fonts) and then used them to write irc clients. |
| 04:12.34 | absentia | ah, back in the day. |
| 04:12.43 | absentia | ya, I want to get into python now. |
| 04:12.51 | absentia | perl and perl zealots have pissed me off. |
| 04:12.56 | absentia | ok, switching to zaurus inbed. |
| 04:12.59 | absentia | later. |
| 04:12.59 | absentia | night |
| 04:13.01 | kergoth | later |
| 04:13.08 | koyote | night :) |
| 04:13.15 | absentia | koyote: did you get the mail ? |
| 04:13.19 | heatxsink | anyone seen drakonite? |
| 04:13.34 | heatxsink | bot seen drakonite |
| 04:13.35 | koyote | yep yep |
| 04:13.39 | heatxsink | ibot seen drakonite |
| 04:13.43 | | drakonite <~drakonite@CPE-65-28-168-92.neb.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 13h 40m 21s ago, saying: 'TheMasterMind1: I forgot their name though, lol...'. |
| 04:13.43 | koyote | some very cool items in it |
| 04:15.24 | W8TVI | ibot seen w8tvi |
| 04:15.24 | | w8tvi is currently on #zaurus (3h 2m 21s) #openembedded (3h 2m 21s) #openzaurus (3h 2m 21s). Has said a total of 70 messages. Is idling for 0s |
| 04:15.33 | W8TVI | :( |
| 04:15.45 | kergoth | ? |
| 04:15.48 | W8TVI | it dont say anything silly |
| 04:15.48 | kergoth | ibot: seen kergoth |
| 04:15.48 | | kergoth is currently on #opie (8h 40m 48s) #uclibc (8h 40m 48s) #zaurus (8h 40m 48s) #elinux (8h 40m 48s) #openembedded (8h 40m 48s) #handhelds.org (8h 40m 48s) #openzaurus (8h 40m 48s). Has said a total of 348 messages. Is idling for 0s |
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| 05:05.13 | heatxsink | what happened to openembedded? |
| 05:06.29 | kergoth | ? |
| 05:06.37 | kergoth | openembedded is the build infrastructure |
| 05:06.39 | kergoth | which i'm doing daily work on |
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| 06:07.37 | ElectricElf | W8TVI-: And? :) |
| 06:08.07 | W8TVI- | this is where you ask OZ questions :P |
| 06:08.21 | ElectricElf | W8TVI-: Noted. :) |
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| 12:26.48 | scribblemummy | how do I build just one package using buildroot? |
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| 12:56.34 | absentia | re |
| 13:21.12 | Chairman | grr, the new snapshot didn't work very well |
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| 15:04.35 | kyngel | Hmm... is busybox tar broken with exclude files? |
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| 15:07.59 | lardman | Hmm, I'm a bit new to this irc thing so please take pity. I wanted to ask about GPE + OZ, and basically when/whether it will be supported soon? |
| 15:34.19 | ljp | lardman: quit too soon |
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| 15:58.08 | caffeine | if anyone is interested i put my zaurus on ebay... its practically brand new |
| 15:58.10 | caffeine | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38331&item=3038310030 |
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| 18:04.37 | kyngel | Hey... can someone help me with OZ buildroot? |
| 18:05.49 | kergoth | #openembedded is more appropriate for questions about theh build infrastructure |
| 18:07.51 | kyngel | Okay. |
| 18:08.29 | absentia | re |
| 18:12.27 | nerdboy | yo |
| 18:16.54 | absentia | y0 |
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