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00:12.39Jumpkick_is there a newer kernel than 2.4.6 available for OZ3.2?
00:12.59TheMasterMind1what device
00:13.05Jumpkick_5500
00:13.15TheMasterMind12.4.21 is in progress and will be released shortly
00:13.55Jumpkick_weeks or months?
00:13.56Pend-GoneTheMasterMind1: have you up'd the one with opie to the http yet?
00:14.07TheMasterMind1Pendalar: working on it
00:14.12TheMasterMind1calibration is almost fixed
00:14.42PendalarI'm going to try LTP on but dunno if it's going to spit out anything useful
00:15.07Jumpkick_just curious cuz the OZ site mentons 2.4.19 back in April
00:15.29kergothyep, it doees.
00:15.32kergoths/ee/e/
00:15.38TheMasterMind1kergoth: should update the news page too
00:15.52kergothTheMasterMind1: again?
00:15.58Jumpkick_lol
00:16.02TheMasterMind1kergoth: heh
00:16.09kergothjust updated it not long ago
00:16.20kergothonce sd works, then i'll announce 2.4.21 being kickass
00:17.22Jumpkick_Is the 2.4.21 kernel holding up 3.3?
00:17.44kergothhmm?
00:17.53kergoththere are two releases coming
00:17.57kergoth3.2.5 and 3.3.2
00:18.05kergoth3.2.5 will be using 2.4.6 and opie 1.0
00:18.10kergoth3.3.2 will use 2.4.21 and opie 1.0
00:18.19Jumpkick_whoa...
00:18.32Pendalarwhy bother with 2.4.6 then?
00:18.39kergothPendalar: because its solid.
00:18.47kergothPendalar: 2.4.21 has not undergone extensive user testing
00:18.53kergothand i wont release a stable brach with something untested
00:19.23Pendalarlinux's unsolid is better than windows stability ;-)
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00:20.14PendalarI love this carrying on the almost same conversation in like 4 similiar channels
00:20.20Jumpkick_lol
00:20.23Pendalarno wonder you get ill some days kergoth
00:20.54kergothonly in .. 18 channels at the moment
00:21.17pyromanceheh
00:21.21PendalarI hope you use a client which dumps all channel texts into one window
00:21.53Pendalaror have a extra large bottle of excedrin migraine and a BFG2000 just in case
00:22.32pyromanceLong Live BitchX? ;)
00:23.09Pendalaryep
00:23.18nightfireisn't it a BFG9000?
00:23.40Pendalar9000? dunno that would like be something from Scorched Earth
00:23.47pyromance"I'm too lame to read BitchX.doc"
00:23.58pyromanceI thought it was 9000 in the game.
00:24.01pyromanceHmm
00:24.11pyromanceI've been spoiling myself with Postal 2 too much... don't remember othe gusn
00:24.11Pendalar2k => doom (irrc)
00:24.13pyromanceguns.
00:24.17Pendalardon't remember a 9k
00:24.22pyromanceHmm
00:24.25pyromanceYou're likely right.
00:24.30pyromanceIt's been years since I played doom
00:24.38pyromanceThe Z just isn't fast enough to run it ;)
00:25.26Pendalar750/760 should be able to, esp if it was SDL or what not
00:26.38pyromanceHeh
00:26.44pyromanceBudget = slim.
00:27.00pyromanceActually my Z is the single most expensive computer component I own, at purchase time
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00:28.00pyromanceHell ... my entire briefcase rig didn't even cost $400
00:28.42PendalarBudget == NULL
00:30.21pyromanceecho /dev/zero > /home/bankaccount
00:31.15Pendalaryeah I've been trying to at least get up to a /dev/random system but so far .. *sigh*
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02:38.37mithrohello
02:38.58mithroanyone know where to get openssl for the z?
02:39.21kergothuh, i nthe oz feeds with everything else?
02:41.14mithrohrm, it didnt seem to be in the feed
02:41.39mithroo wait
02:41.50mithroits called libssl instead of openssl
02:41.52kergothlibssl0.9.7
02:41.53kergothyep
02:41.58kergothper debian package naming standardings
02:42.00kergoths/ings/s/
02:42.01kergothheh
02:42.33kergothlibssl.so.0 => libssl0, though this is a special case because 0.9.6 and 0.9.7 arent binary compat afaik
02:42.41kergothso its libssl0.9.6 and libssl0.9.7
02:43.09mithro?
02:43.32mithrohrm i wish the screen had a better refresh when scolling
02:43.43kergothyeah, c700 really hurts in that dept
02:44.36Pendalardoes the 760 have a better refresh rate than 700?
02:44.59Pendalarin case I rob a bank soon..
02:46.28kergothmithro: good luck
02:48.01Pendalarpower out..
02:48.02Pendalargreat
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02:48.16Pendalarbbl, assuming it doesn't take them 9 hours this time
02:48.32mithrobah my Z just hard froze
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04:02.20Jumpkick_er... anyone know how I can make PS1="[\u@\h:\w $(if [ -z $(apm|grep On) ]; then echo `apm | cut -c32-`; fi) $(date +%H:%M:%S)]\$ "
04:02.35Jumpkick_as my prompt in /etc/profile so that it actually updates?
04:10.00BalaJumpkick_: replace the date call with \t
04:10.25Jumpkick_Bala: any thoughts on the APM thing?
04:11.02Balanope.... besides patching your own busybox...
04:12.20Jumpkick_Bala: oh well...  thanks
04:20.11kergothhmm?
04:20.15kergothAPM thing?
04:22.29Balahe wanted his PS1 to reflect the current status of apm...
04:23.06kergothheh, thats some shitty shell for one
04:23.08kergothnot portable at all
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04:26.56Jumpkick_I'm playing with something PROMPT_COMMAND=prompt_command
04:27.12Jumpkick_seems to call a function after each shell command
04:30.06Jumpkick_or at least it's supposed to in bash
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04:31.53kergothJumpkick_: this isnt bash.
04:31.57kergothJumpkick_: dont use bashishs.
04:32.00kergothJumpkick_: isms
04:32.06kergothJumpkick_: dont use $() in a shell script
04:32.11kergothJumpkick_: dont use PROMPT_COMMAND
04:32.23Jumpkick_ok... ok...
04:32.25Jumpkick_lol
04:32.26kergothJumpkick_: and PS1 is only obeyed if fancy prompt was enabled in busybox, iirc
04:33.12Jumpkick_I just thought apm in the prompt might be nice
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05:08.36Jumpkick_alias ls='PS1="[\u@\h:\w $(if [ -z $(apm|grep On) ]; then echo  `apm | cut -c32-`; fi) `date +%H:%M:%S`]\$ "; ls'
05:08.49Jumpkick_lol
05:08.54kergothheh
05:09.11kergothyou've obviously never seen half of the gnu make/perl/shell/python ugliness i've produced.
05:09.19kergoththe point isnt ugliness, its portability
05:10.05jmhodgeshello folks
05:10.37Jumpkick_overloading alias was the best I could do for the APM thing
05:10.42Jumpkick_...
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05:20.40wParamhmm... is whomever it was that wrote colliefb.patch here and alive by any chance?
05:21.08kergothcolliefb.patch?
05:21.17kergothfrom what?
05:21.37wParamum, buildroot/packages/kernel?
05:22.04wParamfrom some probably outdateed version of OZ
05:22.43kergothhardwire wrote that
05:22.49kergoththats from our 2.4.6 boot logo animation
05:23.03kergothhardwire, incidentally, designed pingizauru, the oz/opie mascott
05:23.46wParamhmm.  I was wondering about a loop that's there that seems to do nothing... I'm assuming it's some sort of busy wait
05:24.27wParamoh well.
05:24.58kergothi dont see a busywait in that patch
05:25.01wParamI'm going to replace the default sharp logo with an animation of gabe beating his head against the wall from that penny-arcade last week
05:25.06kergothbut maybe i'm missing something
05:25.14wParamthe for (i2=0;i2<65533;i2++) loop
05:25.44wParamit doesn't seem to do anything that I can see except repeat the last screen operation
05:25.57wParamer, the last op that copied data to the screen
05:26.08kergothah yeah, that is interesting
05:26.21kergothyou'd think a udelay() wouldve been more appropriate
05:27.04wParamaah, udelay, eh?  That's what I was wondering: what's the name of the function to do waiting, and is there some reason he couldn't use it there
05:27.14wParammaybe I'll try udelay
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05:27.27kergothlook at include/linux/delay.h
05:27.28Joelwmithro: Hi!
05:27.34kergoththis stuff doesnt belong in kernelspace anyway
05:27.38mithrohey Joelw
05:27.41kergothwhich is why we arent doing this in recent oz kernels
05:27.49wParamthat'd be nicer than trying to figure out how high I need to run a loop to
05:27.57Joelwmithro: Where are you?! :)
05:28.00mithroim using my Z to access this
05:28.00wParamtrue.  what did you replace it with?
05:28.07mithroat AirNet
05:28.23Joelwmithro: Oh right. Has Nic fiddled with the reverse DNS?
05:28.31kergothwParam: its easy enough to drop a bootsplash and/or animation using libFB/directFB/evas or something as the first startup script
05:28.39kergothwParam: belongs in userspace
05:31.03wParamagreed, but I figure since there's 1 meg allocated to the kernel in the flash and my kernel is only 800k, I might as well stick something in there
05:31.33wParamand it'll be nice to have something a little entertaining instead of just the sharp logo
05:31.47kergothoz doesnt have a boot logo in kernel at all anymore
05:32.15kergothjust the little tux-like logo in the corner for the moment, which will go away itself when we switch to a better userspace splash
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06:54.05Chairmanwhy does my socket wless card come up as unsupported card in the latest snapshot (http://opie.net.wox.org/openzaurus/oz-snapshot-030801-0152/)
06:56.44kergothChairman: uh
06:56.53kergothChairman: why not talk to the person who maintains those images?
06:57.18kergothChairman: I maintain the images in official on openzaurus.org.
06:58.33Chairmanokay
06:58.58ChairmanI think I will just wait on the offical release of new openzaurus, tired of flashing
06:59.00Chairmanhehe
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08:01.43mithrohello again
08:02.23Lazehello..
08:11.14mithrois there anyway to make the not responding timeout a bit longer?
08:13.20kergothuh
08:13.24kergothwhat not responding timeout?
08:13.36kergothquestions without context arent going to get you answers
08:13.38kergothheh
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09:16.37endrcan someone post the line from /etc/fstab that defines the /mnt/ram mountpoint, please?
09:16.45endrOZ3.2 sl5500
09:18.45kergothendr: i dont think its in fstab. if you need it mounted, do /etc/init.d/ramdisk start;
09:18.49kergothendr: (iirc)
09:20.03endrkergoth: tried that -- should I be able to see a /mnt/ram mount when running mount or df -k?  Neither show anything about /mnt/ram
09:21.08kergothmount shows it
09:21.23endrkergoth: hmm, thought so.
09:21.26kergothsh -x /etc/init.d/ramdisk start;
09:21.43endr+ mount /dev/mtdblock6 /mnt/ram
09:21.44endr+ exit 1
09:21.53endr(that's the tail end)
09:22.01endrwait
09:22.18endrno, that's not it
09:22.21kergothhuh?
09:22.26kergothmtdblock6 _IS_ the ramdisk
09:22.28endrI had put I line for /dev/mtdblock6 in /etc/fstab
09:22.29kergothperiod
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09:22.42endrand was worried that was causing mount to misbehave
09:22.46endrbut I removed it
09:22.49endrand it still doesn't work
09:22.55endrmount: you must specify the filesystem type
09:22.57endr#
09:23.03kergothyour ramdisk is fucked up
09:23.05endrheh
09:23.09endrformat ext2?
09:23.13kergothmkfs.ext2 /dev/mtdblock6
09:23.14kergothyep
09:23.17endrcool, thx
09:23.21kergothnp
09:23.35endrnice, mounted now
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13:23.00kergothhardwire: ah
13:28.58hardwireI should really pay to have our water turned back on today
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13:59.39hardwirethat whole site is worth saving
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14:23.35aTypicalHello.
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14:36.28aTypicalIs anyone sync'ing with multisync?
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14:47.44ewormDas the newest snapshot on opie.net.wox.opt/openzaurus/ already contain opie 1.0 final?
14:48.34hcartyeworm: According to the ipk names, it looks like it
14:48.38hcartyI'm thinking about trying it out today
14:49.28ewormYou're right.
14:49.39ewormI think I'll test it...
14:51.09hcartyHopefully it syncs with Qtopiadesktop, as that's the only sync I have working right now in linux
14:55.09Carkusanyone know of any software similar to 'buzzme' that works with openzaurus, or opie ?
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15:12.24ewormLatest scapshot hangs configuring task-opie-minimal -> qte-fonts...
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15:12.40eworms/scapshot/snapshot/
15:12.58hcartyeworm: I left it going for a long while, and it seems to be looping with opie-login and something else
15:13.15hcartyIt got past the qte-fonts and then went into this loop
15:13.23hcartyOh, there it goes
15:13.45ewormDoes it leave the loop anytime?
15:14.25hcartyeworm: Yes, I think so
15:14.36hcartyIt's up to 132 of 142
15:14.47ewormOk, then I'll still wait.
15:15.19hcartyPackages just completed...and here's the calibration screen!
15:16.14ewormI still have to wait...
15:16.17eworm:(
15:17.37hcartyIt took a really long time for me, I'd say try and give it a while
15:17.49hcartyIs it still on the qte-fonts package?
15:18.00ewormYes.
15:20.37ewormZ has just switched off the screen...
15:20.52ewormBlinking the mail led
15:21.53ewormAh
15:22.05ewormI think it continues. :)
15:26.18ewormMy Z is back. :))
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15:29.50hcartyeworm: Excellent :-)
15:37.34ewormBut I can't get my wlan working.
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15:44.05ewormIf I insert my wlan-card I get this message:
15:44.36ewormhostap_crypt: registered algorithm 'NULL'
15:44.52ewormAfter that it is unregistered.
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16:21.46AK_RAGEhey - is there a VNC server that works under OZ?
16:22.09AK_RAGEFBVNC says that it "should not be used under OZ"
16:22.35fishyAK_RAGE: yes
16:22.41fishyon the OZ feeds
16:26.09AK_RAGEok - will it work without upgrading "mknod" - i am looking at FAQ (http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/oz_website/faq/faq?id=238)
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16:53.51AK_RAGEanyone got fbvncserver to work under OZ 3.2
16:54.10AK_RAGEi read the FAQ and did what it said but still no luck
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18:19.26aTypicalHello all.  Is anyone here using multisync?
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21:02.05Pixel_weeeeeeeeeee opie 1.0 :D
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21:21.21sentenzahi guys
21:22.24sentenzatonite I decided to install OZ. What's the best way ? I think I'm gonna get the 3.2 and update from the feed http://opie.net.wox.org/openzaurus/current/
21:22.31sentenzaIs that a good idea ?
21:26.39sentenzaBTW, wouldn't it be a good idea to put md5 checksums for the zImage and initrd files
21:38.07sentenzaa lot of activity tonite ;-) is it last nite party ?
21:38.21kergoth?
21:38.31kergothtry emailing the person who maintains that feed
21:38.33kergothits not official
21:39.25sentenzakergoth : thx so what's the best way to upgrade OZ to 3.3.1 (I believe the last version) ?
21:40.11kergoth3.3.1 isnt released
21:40.29kergothunstable is the only feed that i support.  if you use others they may work, but contact them for help, not i.
21:42.00Blafaselsentenza: The feed you wanted to use first is from mickeyl, I think
21:42.09kergothyep
21:42.36sentenzaok, so by using OZ unstable I should get the latest. What would you advice me ? Stay with OZ 3.2 or go with unstable ?
21:43.00kergothi wouldnt advise you either way, its your decision
21:44.34sentenzais there any known big pbs with unstable ?
21:45.04kergothnot to my knowledge
21:45.30sentenzathx, anyway I'll see that
21:49.36sentenzawhat's the command to format my SD to ext2 ? mkfs.ext2 but I'm not sure about block size and all
21:49.45kergoth?
21:49.50kergothyou dont need to specify
21:50.06sentenzathx
21:50.18kergothnp
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22:33.28sentenzagot a net pb. isn't a DHCP server supposed to give info about gw ? because my Z gets an IP but it seems no info about gw so I'm stuck in my internal net.
22:35.35TheMasterMind1who wants a opie1/kernel-2.4.21 to test
22:35.39TheMasterMind1fresh off of the compiler
22:36.34Jumpkick_me me
22:36.36Jumpkick_:)
22:36.55sentenzaI'm in
22:37.03Jumpkick_TheMasterMind1: hook us up
22:38.04TheMasterMind1keyboard doesn't work in qt yet, and lots of stuff still needs work
22:38.07TheMasterMind1but its kinda usable
22:38.40sentenzaanyone about my net pb with OZ 3.2 ?
22:38.56Jumpkick_sok...  I just reflashed this morning... my Z doesn't have anything useful on it yet anyway
22:39.31sentenzanevermind now it works, maybe I should get some sleep
22:39.31TheMasterMind1www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/zaurus/collie/ <-- latest opie 1 / 2.4.21 testing image. ts works, and stuff is mostly usable. sd/mmc and keyboard in qt are still broken
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22:40.58*** topic/#openzaurus by TheMasterMind1 -> Opie 1.0 release Party in #opie | www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/zaurus/collie/ <-- latest opie 1 / 2.4.21 testing image. ts works, and stuff is mostly usable. sd/mmc and keyboard in qt are still broken
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22:45.04Jumpkick_flashing now
22:47.56sentenzawould like to update base from unstable feed. Should I quit Opie before doing so ?
22:48.05Jumpkick_done
22:48.21Jumpkick_cool...
22:48.34Jumpkick_configuring packages
22:52.48Jumpkick_wow!
22:52.58Jumpkick_peerdy!
22:53.31Jumpkick_TheMasterMind1: you the man
22:55.46sentenzakergoth I think I need your help again
23:07.55TheMasterMind1Jumpkick_: is it faster than 2.4.6? can you tell
23:08.37Jumpkick_TheMasterMind1: hard to tell...
23:08.45Jumpkick_seems very responsive
23:09.23Jumpkick_it's faster
23:10.07sentenzawould like to update base from unstable feed. Should I quit Opie before doing so ? anyone ? if so, what the magic command to upgrade everything in base ?
23:10.23TheMasterMind1you shouldn't have to
23:11.26sentenza?
23:18.23Jumpkick_TheMasterMind1: console keeps overwriting the graphics on desktop
23:20.35TheMasterMind1Jumpkick_: hrm, yea, debug kernel is turned on
23:21.37Jumpkick_TheMasterMind1: got ya
23:22.54Jumpkick_TheMasterMind1: anything in particular you want me to test besides speed?
23:23.00Jumpkick_WiFi works
23:23.15TheMasterMind1hmr dunno
23:23.16TheMasterMind1kergoth: ?
23:23.35TheMasterMind1how is the ts working
23:23.42TheMasterMind1its still flaky here. need to use the tslib modules
23:23.43Jumpkick_ts?
23:23.52TheMasterMind1touchscreen
23:23.56Jumpkick_ooh
23:23.56sentenzais there a way from CLI to know what packages belong to base. To do some kind of filtering like in the GUI ?
23:23.57TheMasterMind1kergoth: anything we need tested in .21?
23:24.08TheMasterMind1sentenza: base?
23:24.34Jumpkick_TheMasterMind1: flaky on the edge
23:24.40Jumpkick_TheMasterMind1: open clock
23:24.47sentenzain the GUI you can filter a list of packages based on category, for example "base"
23:24.50Jumpkick_TheMasterMind1 : date set-up
23:24.53Jumpkick_I mean
23:25.00Jumpkick_and then try to pick the date
23:25.10Jumpkick_use the >> arrow to change the year
23:25.17Jumpkick_seems a bit flakey
23:25.18sentenzaoz-base is in base. When you do ipkg info oz-base, section is set to "base"
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23:25.46Jumpkick_also for <<
23:25.53Jumpkick_maybe it's a bug in the picker
23:26.29TheMasterMind1Jumpkick_: yea. you need to calibrate it a few times to get it right
23:26.32TheMasterMind1hopefully we'll fix that soon
23:26.45Jumpkick_don't hear any screen taps when I put that option on
23:26.55Jumpkick_is buzzer working?
23:26.57TheMasterMind1yea, sound is not implemented into opie yet
23:27.07Jumpkick_cool
23:28.15Jumpkick_suspend doesn't work off the menu
23:28.25kergoththats expected also
23:28.28kergothopie calls apm -s
23:29.32Jumpkick_which version of QtopiaDesktop should I try to sync with?
23:29.41Jumpkick_1.6 doesn't seem to detect a connection
23:29.49Jumpkick_at least over WiFi
23:30.25sentenzakergoth, maybe you could give a hint on ipkg CLI
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23:37.37Jumpkick_TheMasterMind1: apkg fails missing libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3
23:37.45Jumpkick_aqpkg
23:38.29kergothJumpkick_: -force-depends
23:39.29W8TVIif i want some one that connects to my ap and trys to view a webpage, and I want them to only see one page and nothing else, what would I use?
23:39.31Jumpkick_kergoth: huh?  
23:39.41kergothJumpkick_: check the -force-depends option
23:40.54Jumpkick_kergoth: aqpkg doesn't start up....  I can't check that
23:41.09Jumpkick_# aqpkg
23:41.11Jumpkick_aqpkg: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
23:41.49Jumpkick_best I can tell there is no libstdc on the / mount
23:42.16Jumpkick_maybe it''ll run if I symlink it to Libc
23:42.56Jumpkick_nope
23:44.23kergothah
23:45.41nerdboyyo kergoth
23:51.42Jumpkick_TheMasterMind1: top row of keys works
23:52.05Jumpkick_z row also works
23:52.13Jumpkick_' = home
23:52.26Jumpkick_Fn = menu
23:52.45Jumpkick_maybe you just need a different keyboard layout
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23:52.59Jumpkick_locale thingy
23:54.15Jumpkick_A-L row is all messed
23:57.23TheMasterMind1k

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