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03:48.16Jumpkick_TheMasterMind1: oops,  k = down
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04:51.27cleverdrarev - I don't know of a scorched earth clone, but snails from that commercial-zaurus-game company is nice.  Similar to HPWorms for the HP49G.
04:51.50cleverdraalso, scroll.  Nevermind.
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05:30.40SoopaTRONhelllo
05:31.30SoopaTRONcan someone please help me in properly loading a default image configuration
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05:52.50levi_My attempts at switching to the 'testing' feed and running 'ipkg upgrade' have so far been unsuccessful.  Is there any trick to this?
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07:44.35Carkuscan anyone recommend a good VNC server that works with openzaurus ?
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12:19.19ewormI can't get my wlan-card working with the latest oz-snapshot on opie.net.wox.org.
12:19.28ewormHas anybody the same problem?
12:21.16Carkusi did have, untill i realised it used hostap =)
12:22.32ewormI know that it uses hostap.
12:22.46ewormBut it can load the modules correctly.
12:24.07ewormhostap_crypt: registered algorithm 'NULL'
12:24.12ewormhostap_crypt: unregistered algorithm 'NULL'
12:24.19ewormAnd nothing works.
12:28.31Carkusdoes it work without wep ?
12:29.28ewormNothing works.
12:29.37ewormI do not get a device.
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13:10.26ewormAnd the root fs ist full after a flash...
13:10.47ewormI can't install anything because ipkg can't write status-file.
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14:28.23linuxguy-brany zaurus programmer there?
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14:57.08aTypical_hello
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15:15.40SoopaTRONgood morning
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15:18.47SoopaTRONare there any proper ways to compile open zaurus for an x86 arch machine?
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15:21.28DCoderHey all. Any chance one of guys used qhttp during his/her lifetime?
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15:22.21Zxcvbwho ported scummvm (including the GUI) to the zaurus?
15:23.23yeiazelnot me
15:25.12Zxcvbhoping he will update it to 0.5.0 soon
15:25.25Zxcvbit will finally support maniac mansion
15:27.10yeiazel:)
15:28.00Zxcvbyeah, especially since scumm is the script creation utility _for maniac mansion_
15:28.07yeiazelI know Alexandre Courbot has ported it
15:28.16Zxcvbhttp://inter.zon.free.fr/downloads/scummvm-0.4.1-zaurus.patch
15:28.24yeiazelbut I don't know if it's the "official" one for OZ or so...
15:28.28Zxcvbyeiazel: that's him?
15:28.40Zxcvbyeiazel: any idea when he will updated it to 0.5.0?
15:28.58yeiazelhttp://www.gnurou.org/software/zaurus/index.html <= that's him
15:29.03yeiazelstill scummmvm 0.3.0
15:29.18Zxcvbyeiazel: 0.4.1 on http://inter.zon.free.fr/downloads
15:29.28Zxcvbyeiazel: statically linked with sdl, too
15:29.31yeiazelyeah, I've seen it
15:29.43yeiazelI'd like to know who this is
15:30.03yeiazelI wanna know all french zaurus developers and users :)
15:30.06Zxcvbyeiazel: not sure, but it works fine for 0.4.1 supported games
15:30.18Zxcvbyeiazel: email him
15:30.28Zxcvbinter.zon@free.fr
15:31.22Zxcvbxu4 isn't too playable yet, btw (no dungeons among other things)
15:31.27yeiazelyea
15:32.18Zxcvbbetter than underworld adventures
15:32.50ZxcvbI have no idea how the pocket pc "port" of ultima underworld was done, most likely an x86 JIT combined with binary patching of the expensive to emulate instructions
15:36.01djrhehe, i still have ultima underworld on original floppy here
15:43.06Zxcvbyeiazel" Cecchinel Stephan
15:43.51yeiazelI've emailed him
15:44.29Zxcvbcan you compile zaurus software?
15:46.36yeiazelnever tried
15:53.14aTypical_I'm trying to install konqueror on my Z, but I keep getting a message that it cannot find the package.  Has anyone seen this before?
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15:54.49noiddhttp://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3200474&category=38331 (43 mins to go - looks interesting)
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15:57.04Zxcvbyeiazel: btw, beneath a steel sky is now freeware
15:58.58SoopaTRONanyone else having problems reaching ftp.gnu.org?
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16:00.59yeiazelSoopaTRON: www.gnu.org doesn't work neither
16:05.40fishyugh
16:05.46fishyipkg makes me cry :(\
16:06.54aTypical_fishy: It's driving me nuts too.
16:07.30aTypical_How do you install a freakin' package?  Everytime I try it tells me it cannot find the package.
16:07.32fishyits very unreliable
16:07.57fishyaTypical: try running ipkg update
16:08.14fishyare you on the unstable feed?
16:08.40aTypical_fishy: No.  I'm on the stable feed.
16:08.51fishyhmm
16:10.09aTypical_I'm using AQpkg.  I've got Stable as my server but the list of app's is empty.
16:10.43fishydo ipkg update
16:11.15aTypical_I got it.  The list was set to show only installed packages.
16:11.28aTypical_It's downloading now.
16:12.25aTypical_Phew!  I thought I was going to have to throw this against the wall.
16:13.45fishy:)
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16:35.48ewormaTypical_: Have you tried upgrading ipkg?
16:36.29aTypical_eworm: No, but I will.
16:36.54ewormThat helped me.
16:37.08ewormCould not install some packages from testing.
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19:07.29cleverdraWhere can I find the sources that OpenZaurus uses?  Say, its busybox, or any patches it has to busybox.
19:09.14james_lan-mein the build-root (which you should be able to find instructions for on the website under the faq section, but that was months ago I last looked), ask someone on #openembedded
19:09.25kergothcleverdra: openzaurus.org
19:09.27kergothcleverdra: faq
19:09.30kergothcleverdra: search for 'source'
19:10.16osist<PROTECTED>
19:11.36Pendalaruse source cleverdra... use the source...
19:12.21Pendalarkergoth did TMM1 get an image up or still more TS fun?
19:12.54kergothdont know
19:21.50cleverdrahum, bitkeeper.  interesting choice.
19:22.17cleverdraoh, hey, a daily snapshot.
19:23.49Pendalarheh yeah that's my thought as well
19:24.02PendalarI can cron a snapshot grab easy enough
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19:59.00aTypical_Howdi pardners!
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20:26.44cleverdrahm, any ideas why mount complains that it can't find a free loopback device even after I unmount an '-o loop'-mounted cramfs to hopefully free a loopback device?
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20:55.31aTypical_I'm having a problem with opie-mediaplayer.  When I click the icon it doesn't start.  How can I start it from the command line?
21:04.18ewormaTypical_: /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/opieplayer2
21:04.38aTypical_eworm: Thank you.  
21:11.33ewormWhat's the best way to connect to the internet via mobile phone (irda)?
21:13.50aTypical_eworm: Sorry, never tried,
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21:42.01SoopaTRONgood afternoon
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21:49.00TxcPoisoncan someone give me a hand? I just switched my zaurus from teh sharp ROM to OZ, and I cant get qtopia desktop to detect the Z
21:49.57TxcPoisonanyone?
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21:51.25kryhmeis opiemail2 not a pop3 client?
21:53.02Pendalarit does pop3
21:53.48kryhmecause in the settings it just has an option for imap
21:55.08TxcPoisondoes anyone use qtopia desktop to sync OZ?
21:55.20kergothopie-mail2 is imap only
21:55.25kergothopie-mailit is pop3 only
21:55.36kergothqtopia desktop works fine with oz
21:55.37Pendalaroh guess I had it backwords
21:55.38kergothreadthe syncing faq
21:55.50Pendalaralthough works fine isn't hardly good enough ;-)
21:56.04kergothheh, fine is a relative term :)
21:56.09Pendalartgz or bzip2 are your friend
21:56.11TxcPoisonkergoth: i did..i dunno why its not working
21:56.14Pendalaror unison or rsync..
21:56.21kergothTxcPoison: ftp into your Z on port 4242
21:56.25kergothTxcPoison: login as root/rootme
21:56.45Pendalarstill bugs me the OZ login doesn't support ~!#@! type characters
21:56.49TxcPoisonover usb?
21:56.53PendalarI feel like some freak is going to root my zaurus
21:56.59kryhmehaha
21:57.01Pendalarwith some lame dictionary attack
21:57.16kryhmehows it goin kergoth
21:57.55TxcPoisonhrm
21:58.05TxcPoisonits not connecting over usb either
21:58.08TxcPoisoner
21:58.09TxcPoisonftp i mean
21:58.11kergoth"not connecting"
21:58.15kergothtry giving me actual details
21:58.17kergothinstead of this fluffy crap
21:58.18TxcPoisonok
21:58.42Pendalarkergoth you sound stressed ;-)
21:58.48kergothPendalar: not really
21:58.55kergothjust takin it easy
21:59.02absentiakergoth, may I humbly suggest something?
21:59.06TxcPoisonmy zaurus has the IP 192.168.0.201, so i ftp to that IP port 4242 and it just times out
21:59.07kergothbut people expect help and dont give any information
21:59.09kergothits pathetic
21:59.15kergothokay, connection timed out. thats useful.
21:59.18kergothcan you ping your zaurus?
21:59.33kergothabsentia: feel free
21:59.48absentiakergoth: many many many pages refer to experimental/c700 .. now all get 404s
22:00.00TxcPoisonkergoth: its connected thru the cradle tho..not a regular eth
22:00.08kergothTxcPoison: and that matters why?
22:00.13kergothTxcPoison: its ETHERNET over usb
22:00.16absentiaperhaps put a README in there explaining the links should be updated? and then subdirs (symlinks?) to the new dirs?
22:00.19TxcPoisonok just making sure
22:00.22absentiaor, if you don't care about the old info staying, just link c700 to corgi ?
22:00.25kergothabsentia: good idea. do you know what pages reference it?
22:00.32kergothi'd rather fix the incorrect links
22:00.46absentialots
22:00.59absentiamine did... most everyone that you hit with google "zaurus c700"
22:01.11kergothah
22:01.13TxcPoisonkergoth: ping no work
22:01.15absentiatry googling direct for /experimental/c700
22:01.17TxcPoisontimes out
22:01.18absentiasee how many hits
22:01.19kergothTxcPoison: then syncing wont work.
22:01.25kergothTxcPoison: which has nothing to do with openzaurus
22:01.32kergothTxcPoison: follow the zaurus usb setup howtos
22:02.26TxcPoisoni did
22:02.29TxcPoisonill try again i guess
22:02.34kergothwell you did something wrong then.
22:02.40kergothis this windows or linux on the desktop?
22:03.03TxcPoisonwindows 2k pro
22:03.12kergothgo into control panel
22:03.13kergothnetworking
22:03.17kergothis a zaurus interface listed?
22:03.25kergothit may be called local area connection 2 or 3 or something
22:04.20TxcPoisonyeh..SL series?
22:04.24TxcPoisonLAN 10
22:04.33kergothyes, sl series
22:04.36kergothgo into its properties
22:04.39kergothgo into the tcp/ip properties
22:04.43kergothtell me how its configured
22:04.47Pendalarlmao I love my wife.. when she gets really mad at me and runs out of things to bitch about
22:04.54Pendalarit falls back til 'well matrix is shit'
22:04.56TxcPoisonahh
22:05.00TxcPoisonautoconfigure
22:05.01Pendalaras if it is a personal attack
22:05.03TxcPoisoni should set the IP yes?
22:05.06kergothTxcPoison: bingo. you didnt follow the instructions
22:05.18kergothTxcPoison: the sync faq tells you to hardcode the ip on the desktop side
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22:05.28TxcPoisoni misunderstood what it meant by desktop
22:05.34TxcPoisoni though it meant the linux desktop
22:05.35TxcPoisonthanks =)
22:05.38kergoth?
22:05.44kergothwhat linux desktop
22:05.45kergoth?
22:05.57TxcPoisonin open zaurus, if you click on the opie start button, theres a desktop icon
22:06.01Pendalarhe won't let you get off that easily.. run!
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22:06.42kergothyou didnt find it a little odd that it tells you to explicitly do something thats already done?
22:07.14TxcPoisonheh sorry
22:07.15TxcPoisonthanks tho =)
22:07.35kryhmeanyone got any opinion on the best instant messaging app for oz that supports aim?
22:07.50kergothonly 2 exist
22:07.57kergothonly one of which is free
22:08.00kergothheh
22:08.01kergoth'best'
22:08.06Pendalarby support do you mean the company offically supports, or supports as in works
22:08.28kergothheh, if you mean that is supported, theres only one choice
22:08.32Pendalarbecause tkc doesn't support OZ even if the stuff works
22:08.35kergothsince i dont count what tkc does as 'support'
22:08.37kergothyep
22:08.46Pendalarit's magic
22:08.55absentiamy gaim n longer works under freebsd
22:08.57kergothkinkattalite works pretty well
22:09.00absentiano longer works
22:09.08absentiaI get a message or two, then I hear the sound, but nothing appears
22:09.09kergoththe gaim folks will release the first version of gaim for qtopia soon
22:09.12absentiaI need to find a new client.
22:09.15kergothwhich is going to kick ass
22:10.19Pendalarsome really bored fellow should create a msn<->irc , aim<->irc, and icq<->irc gateways.. then making some sort of opie-irc plugin
22:10.21Pendalarand be done with it
22:10.28kryhmewhats the free client
22:10.46absentiasince gaim crashes.
22:10.58PendalarI don't see why one needs to get off irc
22:11.01absentiathatg way, I can also screen detach and screen attach, and not lose IMs...
22:11.01Pendalarto do IM
22:11.05absentiaexactly.
22:11.14absentiaI'm in im now under a screen that's not attached.
22:13.46kryhmekergoth: whats the free im client you were talkin about?
22:14.06TxcPoisonhrm
22:14.06kergothkinkattalite
22:14.09TxcPoisoni can ping it
22:14.11TxcPoisonbut thats all
22:14.16kryhmethx
22:14.59kergothTxcPoison: and what happens when you ftp in on port 4242 and login as root?
22:15.24TxcPoisonconnection refused
22:15.49kergothOZ never refuses a connection.
22:15.55kergothnot on 4242.
22:16.06kergotheither you have a firewall blocking it, or you're ftp'ing to the wrong port or the wrong machine
22:16.17TxcPoisonConnecting to 192.168.0.201 port 4242
22:16.17TxcPoisonConnection refused
22:16.17TxcPoisonDelaying for 10 seconds before reconnect...
22:16.31TxcPoisonwell dont i need an ftp server running on the Z?
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22:16.47kergothopie runs that ftp server
22:16.51kergothi just told you the situation
22:17.00kergotheither you have something blocking it, or you're ftp'ing to the wrong ip or the wrong port.
22:17.04kergoththat sit.
22:17.20TxcPoisonthen how come i can ping it?
22:17.32kergothhow the fuck should i know?
22:17.36kergothlet me guess, you're pinging yourself.
22:17.40TxcPoisonno
22:17.42kergoththat happens often enough.
22:17.47TxcPoisonim pinging 192.168.0.201
22:17.50kergothor you HAVE SOMETHING BLOCKING IT
22:17.55kergothwhat part of that did you fail to understand?
22:17.58kergothtcp is not icmp
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22:25.12TxcPoisonwell i dunno why its not working
22:25.15TxcPoisonport 4242 is open
22:25.38kergothif port 4242 is open then it isnt refusing the connection
22:26.19TxcPoisonwell my ftp client says it is
22:28.34kryhmemy house smells like farts
22:29.00absentiathat's just your upper lip.
22:30.12kryhmehahaha
22:36.37kryhmedo i need opie mail2 to get opie mailt to work?
22:36.54kergoththey're completely independent.
22:36.58kergothtwo seperate apps
22:39.43kryhmei installed opiemail2 to sd and it crashed on opening till i fixed some sym links that i noticed were wrong from the install... opiemailt installs with no symlink errors but crashes on startup... any idea where i should be looking for bad links.  its been a while since i used my z
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22:43.07kergothkryhme: sounds like you're installing apps to a vfat card. good luck.
22:43.44kryhmeso i shoulda formatted it as ext huh
22:44.10kergothsome apps include symlinks
22:44.13kergoththose apps wont work right
22:44.47cleverdraThe best way to install anything is to unpack it, look at where it wants things to go, and then put it where you want them to go.
22:44.57kryhmeyour saying if this sd card was ext though that this would work properly
22:45.20kergothmost likely.
22:45.41kryhmeclever: this is my first time using my z in 6 months... its gonna tke me a lil to get used to it again to the point to where i can do that
22:45.54kryhmekergoth: thanks for the info
22:46.18cleverdrakryhme - OK.  Then just pay attention to where things go, and keep poking around until you feel that you can.
22:47.21kryhmethanks for the advice
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23:31.31Kerberoshi
23:31.45aTypical_OK, I need help.  I just flashed OZ.  All went well except now it doesn't recognize my SD card.  Any ideas?
23:33.24KerberosSomebody can give me the correct steps to upgrade opie un OZ 3.2? please :-)
23:33.56cleverdrakerberose - the www.openzaurus.org FAQ worked for me.  What problems are you having with it?
23:34.45KerberosI installed O
23:34.49KerberosOZ 3.2
23:35.39Kerberosand when I try to do an upgrade (from console) is starts ... but in some point it stops... and don't continue, it just hangs
23:35.43kergothjust leave it
23:35.46kergothit'll finish eventually
23:37.40KerberosI wait 15 minutes and the Zaurus don't  continue
23:37.44Kerberoslet me try again
23:38.23kergothi've seen it hang for 30 minutes before
23:38.26kergothits an old kernel thing
23:39.12SoopaTRONkergoth, i am getting a strange ipkg error
23:39.21SoopaTRONwould i be able to msg you the output message
23:39.33kergothno
23:39.41kergothif its too long #flood
23:39.43kergothotherwise here
23:39.54SoopaTRONgrep: /home/digital/.gnome-desktop/buildroot-oz/output/../output/ipkg.conf: No such file or directory
23:39.54SoopaTRONcat: /home/digital/.gnome-desktop/buildroot-oz/output/../output/ipkg.conf: No such file or directory
23:39.54SoopaTRONmake[1]: *** [.srcadded] Error 255
23:39.54SoopaTRONmake[1]: Leaving directory `/home/digital/.gnome-desktop/buildroot-oz/output'
23:39.54SoopaTRONmake: *** [image] Error 2
23:39.58SoopaTRON4 lines
23:43.43aTypical_I've got a really stupid question.  I did a logout in opie and now can't get back in.  What is the command to start opie?  I tried startx but it didn't work.
23:44.22kergothread the faqs
23:44.29kergoththat was one of the first faqs added to the database.
23:44.39Kerberos<PROTECTED>
23:44.52aTypical_kergoth: Me?
23:44.56kergothaTypical_: yes.
23:44.59aTypical_Thanks.
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23:48.43SoopaTRONkergoth any ideas?
23:51.00kergothnot offhand. make SUBDIRS="packages/ipkg-x86 packages/ipkg-utils"; make image;
23:51.38SoopaTRONk
23:54.54SoopaTRONhmm.. stil nothing
23:55.12SoopaTRONkergoth, could it be because i did not setup this up properly?
23:55.27kergothdont know, havent seen that particular message before
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23:57.13SoopaTRONstupid gaim
23:57.24SoopaTRONkergoth, did you say anything before i got disconneted?
23:58.42kergoth18:57 < kergoth> dont know, havent seen that particular message before
23:58.51SoopaTRONk

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