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02:19.46tyrethDoes the OZ os work with sd cards, etc, easily?  with the sharp rom I just push the sd card in and it's added instantly.  is it the same with OZ rom?
02:20.00kergothsame
02:20.49tyrethcool :)  I need a CF card to install it don't I?  or has that changed now?
02:21.12kergothyou need cf for collie
02:21.14kergothibot: collie
02:21.18somebody said collie was sharp sl-5500 and sl-5000d, or a dog
02:21.35ljpno, first you have to enter your email addy, and credit card info, which gets uploaded somewhere, then you must click through several dialogs to get to one that says, 'ok to use sd?'
02:21.45kergothljp: shh!
02:21.54ljp:)
02:21.59ljpoh, whoops
02:25.04tyrethljp: I don't have a credit card, but I have monopoly money.  I was saving it for SCO, but I suppose that I could use it for this.
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03:03.53enkianyone know where i can learn about commandline options for snes9x?
03:28.23enkibtw, does anybody here had the snes9x come out all messed up on 7x0 series? it looks like either side of the screens around wrapped aorund and interpolated with each other in the middle, really weird
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05:32.54Jumpkick_kergoth: are you involved in maintaining any of the Opie feeds?
05:38.15Jumpkick_ibot ldconfig
05:38.16Jumpkick_: wish i knew
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05:45.21Jumpkick_anyway.... opie media player2 won't install without libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 which is not in the feed, and the familiar one doesn't like that ldconfig is not around in it's postinst script
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07:31.50muaddibI hate to harp on this but I saw a new person join has anyone been successful using qtopia-desktop to sync there Zaurus pda
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08:21.07muaddibI hate to harp on this but I saw a new person join has anyone been successful using qtopia-desktop to sync there Zaurus pda
08:34.29bishoyes... me
08:34.34bisho:)
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09:16.30George-muaddib: you've asked that question about 20 times in the last 2 days.
09:16.45George-muaddib: isn't it transparently obvious now that NO ONE KNOWS?
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10:20.34thomaxhi
10:21.11thomaxi like to know if here is something like xscreensaver for oz?
10:22.20thomaxi just found stuff in amiga and mac themes about it, but ..
10:23.40thomaxso, is there a nice screensaver available?
10:25.00thomaxany answer would be fine
10:25.49thomaxhm...
10:26.55thomaxso, i assume this channel isnt vital at all!
10:29.19thomaxthats it? a dead channel?
10:29.40thomaxi like to know if here is something like xscreensaver for oz?
10:31.10thomaxhello, anyones in here?
10:34.59mithrobeep
10:35.02thomaxbleedinge?chairman? davv? george-? goliath|? soopaman? toykeeper? twiun? virusmaster? bisho? cyn? enki? fdask? fishy? haerwhon? ibot?  
10:35.07thomaxah
10:35.17mithroi havn't seen any xscreensaver like program
10:35.17thomaxsome reaction
10:36.01thomaxdo u think such a thing is missed, somehow?
10:36.52thomaxand how/where can it get the idle time?
10:38.01thomaxthereis this light&power manager. is this a starting point?
10:38.36thomaxmithro: what do you think?
10:39.09mithrowell you want your Z to idle when it's not doing anything
10:39.12mithrosaves battery
10:39.30thomaxi mean, not even a qix
10:39.53George-thomax: what?
10:40.21thomaxgeorge-: pardon?
10:40.29George-<thomax>bleedinge?chairman? davv? george-? goliath|? soopaman? toykeeper? twiun? virusmaster? bisho? cyn? enki? fdask? fishy? haerwhon? ibot?  
10:41.00Chairmanhmm
10:41.02thomaxyeah, just want to revieve this channel a bit
10:42.01thomaxi just ask myself why there isnt a nice screensaver.
10:42.33thomaxthats not correct, i asked this channel, if there is one..
10:43.01thomaxbut mithro said no
10:43.27George-why the hell would you want a screensaver on a PDA anyway?
10:43.35thomaxi believe him because i couldnt find one with google
10:45.02thomaxgeorge, because i use the z as a alarm clock in my bedroom and i like to have a more fancy image on it
10:45.26thomaxbut its ok if you dont need one.
10:48.45thomaxdo you afirm that there is no screensaver like xscreensaver for oz?
10:49.24thomaxdead again.
10:49.46George-there is no screensaver or anything like a screensaver for Opie
10:49.57George-you'd be better off begging the developers to implement one in #Opie
10:50.07George-although they /do/ have more important things to code
10:50.20thomaxlike?
10:50.27George-bug fixing?
10:50.30George-opie-write?
10:51.03thomaxopie-write? i have a vi on it. isnt this enough?
10:51.13George-opie-write is a word processor.
10:51.21thomaxwho the hell needs opie-write
10:51.43George-probably more people than need screensavers :)
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10:52.25thomaxbut thats just an assumption, isnt it?
10:52.40thomax:-)
10:52.58George-yup
10:53.06George-but almost certainly a correct one
10:54.05thomaxif this channel would be more vital we could get more feedback whats more wanted
10:54.30mithrowell there are hooks for a screensaver in opie, feel free to impliment one thomax
10:55.06thomaxi guess many more people want a screensaver then a word processor
10:55.10George-thomax: 1) Openzaurus != Opie, this is offtopic in here
10:55.21thomaxon this little keyboards
10:56.37thomaxa good voice recognition would be fun
10:56.54George-thomax: why don't you just suspend the bastard when it's in alarm clock mode?
10:57.59thomaxcan i resume at a specific time?
10:58.30George-uh
10:58.37thomaxmy old sony mobile can do that
10:58.38George-it automatically turns back on when the alarm goes off.
10:59.51thomaxi can tell the phone when to turn on and switch it off
11:00.03thomaxthats a nice feature.
11:00.46George-well, go implement it in opie
11:00.47George-;P
11:00.51thomaxbut its not a fancy screensaver which is compatible with xscreensaver
11:00.59George-The answer to all your troubles: Learn Qt and C++
11:01.14thomaxok, i bother the opie guys
11:01.44George-?
11:01.58thomaxi program c/c++ since 25 yrs
11:02.08enkianyone know what the word is on the husky version of OZ?
11:02.15thomaxin unix environments
11:02.28George-thomax: well, then go code it yourself :P
11:02.37George-ibot husky
11:02.37well, husky is Sharp Zaurus SL-C760 or a dog
11:02.46thomaxna, not c++.. c++ since 15 yrs
11:02.59George-GO IMPLEMENT IT YOURSELF THEN! :P
11:03.06George-sheesh.
11:03.45thomaxyeah, but its obligate to check if someone else did it before. isnt it?
11:04.37George-well, here's the full answer: there is a screensaver implementation in Opie, which currently equates to blanking the screen
11:05.20George-that's all
11:06.22thomaxthats good. i will search for the source code then.. you dont know, r8?
11:07.03George-r8?
11:07.32thomaxright
11:08.09thomaxits hard with this little keys..
11:08.25George-I don't know _what_?
11:08.29thomaxsitting in my bathtub..
11:09.18thomaxaeh, the src? i just found the cvs.
11:09.46George-yes, get CVS.
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11:18.23thomaxbrb
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11:31.10George-"If someone posts to usenet saying that they fuck ducks, it is a fair bet that someone else reading usenet is going to believe them"
11:31.11George-haha
11:42.51Goliath|George-?
11:43.01Goliath|<George-> <thomax> bleedinge?chairman? davv? george-? goliath|? soopaman? toykeeper? twiun? virusmaster? bisho? cyn? enki? fdask? fishy? haerwhon? ibot?  
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11:43.51George-Goliath|: I was quoting thomax :P
11:44.15Goliath|ah ;)
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13:27.06slash^when i flash by pressing the C D RESET
13:27.16slash^what doe sit mean the lights keep flashing
13:27.23slash^sorry for the 2line sentance.. hah
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13:29.24slash^hmm
13:29.27slash^no ideas ?
13:29.39slash^does it mean it cant find the files on the CF ?
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14:33.45nodaI'm sure I'm not the only one whose Zaurus buttons sometimes work and sometimes don't. Is there a solution?
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16:19.26Dr-ProtonIs there any way to get local packages to resolve deps locally?
16:22.31kergothuse a local feed
16:22.33kergothi.e.
16:22.40kergothsrc cf file:/mnt/cf
16:22.41kergothin ipkg.conf
16:22.51kergoththen you need a Packages file at /mnt/cf/Packages, just like a feed on a web page
16:30.54Fareis there a way to have unix permissions on a vfat?
16:31.12kergothyou can mount umsdos on top of vfat
16:31.27kergothto get the perms when mounted as umsdos, but its still mountable as vfat for windows interoperability and flashing
16:32.07Farewill long filenames be compatible b/w umsdos and vfat?
16:32.26Fare(yes, I'm looking for wince compatibility and flashing support)
16:37.15kergothgoogle is your friend.
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17:28.57enkihurray for splits
17:29.05enkiand once again...anyone know what the dealio is with the husky branch? last i heard was working...but no opie
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18:31.03RedBeardI've got the Zaurus SL-5000
18:31.13RedBeardI'm running Opie off a CF flash card.  Can I run off the SD card and free up the CF slot for other devices?
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18:38.30ewormI'm running oz 3.2 with opie 1.0.
18:38.59RedBeardare you running it off the SD card?
18:39.11ewormBut I can't dial a gprs connection with the kppp plugin...
18:39.41ewormRedBeard: Yes, the main applications.
18:40.01ewormAre there any known problems with IR?
18:40.31RedBeardnot that I know, but I've been out of the loop for some time now.
18:41.47ewormSame configurations works on an ipaq.
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19:15.58muaddibQuestion I am trying to change to openzaurus and from the install guide it ask to copy initrd and zImage to /mnt/cf but when I attempt to do this it says its read only but this directory is on my memory card I don't understand why I can't copy this
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19:19.36muaddibanyone here
19:19.57RedBeardno
19:21.18kergothmuaddib: .. so your card is read only. fix it.
19:21.25kergothmuaddib: your card being read only is your problem, not ours.
19:22.10RedBeardhey kergoth, how's it going?
19:24.53muaddibkergoth: I can copy and create files in /mnt/card but not in /mnt/cf both directories our on the card
19:26.50kergothwhat?
19:26.53kergoth<PROTECTED>
19:26.55kergoth<PROTECTED>
19:26.58kergoththere is no comparison.
19:29.42muaddibI thought CF is the memory Card SD is the sold state disk in the unit
19:39.37kergothuh, no.
19:39.44kergothsd is a the small memory card that fits in teh side
19:39.49kergothcf is the memory card that goes in the top
19:40.03kergothread your manual, and read the Z faqs.
19:45.15muaddibOh Christ you need a CF card at the top crap I don't own one
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20:13.05CuCullinbuying another cf wifi card... anyone have any recommendations on what works best with opie?
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20:39.09RedBeardwhere do I find the OpenZaurus documentation and such?
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21:23.46edwardamIs the Zaurus 5600 supported?
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21:36.58edwardamIs the Zaurus 5600 supported? Anyone?
21:38.10RedBeardedwardam: have you checked the openzaurus.org faq?
21:39.07edwardamI searched for 5600 and i got No Results
21:39.26kergoththen what do you think the answer is?
21:39.38edwardamYes. :-)
21:40.50kergothheh, yeah, right.
21:41.00kergothonly collie is supported in the _release_
21:41.06RedBeardnow that's a positive attitude, but it'll likely make a brick of your 5600
21:41.18kergothipaq, simpad, poodle, corgi, husky, shepherd, etc are supported, but not in the current release
21:41.37edwardamkergoth: ah ... and the 5600 is the poodle, right?
21:43.07kergothibot: poodle
21:43.08well, poodle is sharp sl-b500/5600, or a dog
21:43.32edwardamcool. So any docs around what I need to do to get it running on my 5600 ?
21:43.38kergothyou build it from source.
21:43.42kergothonce again, its not released
21:44.02edwardamI understand that. I was just wondering if anyone has put together docs on what's needed to build it for the 5600.
21:44.14kergoth..
21:44.19kergothyou build it the same way you build it for anything else
21:44.25kergothtry searching for "source" in the faq system
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21:52.35prhhmm must try building for the 750
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22:19.07kollawhat's the colour depth on the zaurus SL5500 display?
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22:24.35festranyone upgraded opie1.0 on OZ3.2?
22:27.13kolla65536
22:28.54drakonitefestr, I'm running opie1.0...
22:29.37festrdrakonite i'm upgrading it but alwayes hang on qpf-bitstream-vera-light
22:29.46kergothlet it go
22:29.49kergothit'll finish eventually
22:29.55festr30min?
22:30.00festrover 30min?
22:30.04W8TVII told him
22:30.09kergothi've heard reports of it being that long, yes
22:30.14kergothjust leave it alone for a while
22:30.38W8TVIkergoth, its funny... with my dialup connect I had it upgraded in 10 mins
22:30.49festrhmm what do you have? :)
22:30.50enkihi all, im curious of the progress in regards to OZ on husky...ive got a unit ready to be a guina pig...
22:30.50kergothW8TVI: the hang is due to the filesystem, not connection
22:31.01kergothand its far far worse if you have litle free space in flash
22:31.02festrand qte-fonts just leave it upgrading?
22:31.05drakonitefestr, oh.. upgrade question... I don't know.. I used an image that had opie1.0 to start with...  I'm guessing if it's taking a large amount of time you might have a very full root to start with..
22:31.06kergothyes.
22:31.21kergothdrakonite: bingo. free space greatly affects this
22:31.24W8TVII did it with only about 700k free the first time
22:31.30kergothits hanging while jffs2's doing its garbage collection thing.
22:31.33festri've 3408 free
22:31.36drakonitekergoth, yup.. I've very much found that out ;)
22:31.46kergothfestr: like i said, just let it go
22:31.52W8TVIthen when I did it again, I had something like 7000k free
22:31.58festrkergoth ok, but over 30min... :)
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22:32.00kergothenki: it works, but i dont have an image handy. feel free to use the oz buildsystem to build one
22:32.55drakonitei'll upload an image somewhere after i work out a small problem I'm having as long as kergoth doesn't mind me spreading it around ;)
22:33.14enkikergoth is there any kind of walkthrough on getting it all set up? im totally ignorant to the run of things, in regartd to OZ
22:33.24festrwhy it takes so long? i would install it manualy (uncompress it on pc and just copy there :)
22:35.01festrqte-fonts is about 640B !
22:35.21enkidrakonite: that would be cool
22:35.31enkiis there some kind of oz buildsystem tut on the wiki?
22:36.39kergothnerdboy|gone: search for 'source' in the faq system on openzaurus.org
22:36.41kergothwiki?
22:36.41kergothheh
22:36.54kergoththe only wiki is on openembedded.org, and is generally about the new system, not the old
22:37.15kergothwe're still using the old buildroot, not the openembedded build infrastructure
22:37.20enkiwell then where should i go for some info on how to use the buildsystem?
22:37.26kergoth?
22:37.32kergothoh, i mistabcompleted
22:37.35kergothread what i just said
22:37.43kergoth17:38 < kergoth> nerdboy|gone: search for 'source' in the faq system on
22:37.44kergoth<PROTECTED>
22:37.47kergoththat was meant for you
22:37.48kergothheh
22:37.58enkithank you :)
22:39.11enkido i need to have any weird stuff set up in my gcc install in regards to cross-compiling?
22:39.17enkiim using a pretty vanilla knoppix install
22:39.31kergothyou extract a tarball.
22:39.37kergothopenzaurus.org/official/toolchain/
22:39.44kergothmkdir /usr/local/arm and extract em there
22:39.50kergoththen add /usr/local/arm/[gccver]/bin to the path
22:40.01kergothor if using buildroot, it does so automatically
22:46.39enkiand all the stuff to select what packages i want, opie etc is in the menuconfig?
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22:47.59kergothyes
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22:49.52George`Roastingkergoth: I've been voted #KDE-Devel's most annoying person :)
22:50.02kergothhehe
22:50.41George`Roastingtwo votes for myself, and none for anyone else :) I voted for myself, and another guy put me on ignore (which I counted as a vote)
22:51.09W8TVIlol
22:51.42W8TVI:P
22:52.14George`RoastingW8TVI: thanks :)
22:52.20George`RoastingW8TVI: your vote is appreciated
22:56.15ljpGeorge`Roasting: go jump in a lake!
22:56.43ljpyou have also been voted #zaurus most annoying person also, we just didnt tell you
22:56.51George`Roastingljp: hahaha :)
22:57.06George`RoastingI'm a big fat annoyance!!!!!!!!
23:00.32ljpibot: george- is also <George`Roasting> I'm a big fat annoyance!!!!!!!!
23:00.33ljp: okay
23:05.36kollare kergoth :)
23:06.21George`Roastingibot: george-
23:06.21hmm... george- is george- a troll wannabe.  NOT a leet hackor, or <George`Roasting> I'm a big fat annoyance!!!!!!!!
23:06.29George`Roastinghrmm
23:06.42George`Roastingwhy do I have so many fucking factoids associated with my very annoying nick?
23:06.50George`Roastingibot george
23:06.50somebody said george was a wizard
23:06.54George`Roastingwtf
23:06.59George`Roastingibot factinfo george
23:06.59george -- created by krezel <~mememe@166-90-245-44.ip2go.net> at Tue Apr  8 22:27:40 2003 (125 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by George`Roasting, 9s ago.
23:07.22George`Roastingibot no, george is a giy
23:07.22okay, George`Roasting
23:07.25George`Roastingibot no, george is a git
23:07.25George`Roasting: okay
23:09.33George`Roastingkergoth: btw - how's 2.4.21 coming along?
23:09.45enkiin the def-configs dir from the bk source i grabbed...there is no husky config
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23:10.04enkiuse shepherd?
23:10.34George`Roastingibot husky
23:10.35husky is, like, Sharp Zaurus SL-C760 or a dog
23:10.53George`Roastingenki: get me a 760 and I'll guarantee there'll be a husky config in OZ soon :)
23:11.19enkiwell as much as id like to give you one, i think ill hang onto mine
23:11.26George`Roasting:P
23:11.32George`Roastingbugger.
23:14.48enkiwell im just tryin to figure out the difference here...the only physical diff is the 64 extra megs of memory on it
23:15.13enkido i need to make a tweak in the shepherd conf files for that?
23:18.11enkido i need to check the 'selected toolchain is uclibc toolchain' box?
23:18.23enkiahhh so many questions, heh.
23:19.01drakoniteenki, out of curiousity, what hardware do you have?
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23:22.42redtoadeis there an ipk for scp?
23:23.00redtoade(server)
23:23.38kergoth?
23:23.48redtoadeum
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23:24.04redtoadeI use penguinet on Win2000, it doesn't do sftp
23:24.22redtoadeit does scp... is there an easy way to setup scp on OZ?
23:24.53kergothuh, OZ includes scp out of hte box
23:24.58redtoadeweird
23:25.04redtoadescp as a client?
23:25.11kergothscp in general.
23:25.13kergotheither end
23:25.16redtoadek
23:25.23kergothtry cygwin scp or winscp to sanity check your client
23:25.47George`Roastingenki: I expect it may well be a bit more different than that, considering they gave it a different codename
23:25.47George`Roastingenki: considering that the only difference between the 5500 and the 5000D is the RAM, and they're both called collie
23:25.48George`Roastingbut that's just pure guesswork on my part
23:26.10George`Roastingkergoth: in a good mood?
23:26.12George`Roastingahh, that's why
23:26.14George`Roasting:P
23:26.21kergoth`bblshepherd is a few small items different than corgi, and husky is a few small items different than either corgi or shepherd
23:26.25enkidrakonite: ion regards to what? the machine im cross-compiling on? or my Z?
23:26.31kergoth`bblgrepping for teh husky and shepherd config items in the kernel source is simple enough.
23:26.43kergoth`bblGeorge`Roasting: not really
23:26.55kergoth`bblGeorge`Roasting: but i'm in a "more patient than usual" mood for hte moment
23:27.00kergoth`bblk im out
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23:28.24George`Roastingibot kergoth is also <kergoth`bbl> George`Roasting: but i'm in a "more patient than usual" mood for hte moment
23:28.25George`Roasting: cannot alter locked factoids
23:28.25George`Roasting: You are moron #14
23:28.30George`Roastingfuck you
23:32.58ljpha ha
23:33.36drakoniteenki, your z
23:33.47drakoniteenki, sorry for the long reply, trying to patch oz
23:34.12enkinp
23:34.30enkii just have a SL-C760 from conics with a 256mb sandisk CF card
23:38.00drakoniteenki, oh. well, any images I make wouldn't work for you then...
23:38.43enkiwhy is that?
23:38.57enkiusing a 5500?
23:40.22enkihmmm bummer the build crashed
23:41.02drakoniteyup, using 5500
23:41.09drakonitewhere did it crash?
23:41.43enki/usr/src/buildroot-oz/build/linux/include/asm/pgalloc.h:86: warning: passing arg 1 of `cpu_pid_va_to_mva' makes integer from pointer without a cast
23:41.43enkidistcc[5495] ERROR: compile on localhost failed with exit code 1
23:42.35enkihmm
23:42.47enkiwell it seems to have been someting else higher up maybe
23:42.53enkii dont want to flood pages of output tho
23:44.51drakonitewell, i haven't seen that one before so i probably don't know how to help anywas...

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