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| 00:44.20 | blando | hi...is there any way to recover from a hard lockup without losing everything stored in ram? |
| 00:44.58 | kergoth`bbl | ? |
| 00:45.02 | kergoth`bbl | full reset doesnt lose ram contents in oz |
| 00:45.03 | ljp | backup |
| 00:45.30 | blando | ljp: just reinstalled OZ, and was getting started installing my usual packages, haven't backed up yet |
| 00:45.49 | blando | kergoth`bbl: i'll give it a shot then |
| 00:45.53 | ljp | :) ahhh |
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| 01:14.28 | redtoade | kergoth: I've been using my 5500 since late March with the Sharp rom, switched to oz this morning. Just want to tell you: very very nice job. |
| 01:34.06 | George`Roasting | 'allo kergoth |
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| 01:36.46 | ljp | George`Roasting: its _way_ past your bedtime, eh? |
| 01:36.59 | George`Roasting | Tue Aug 12 02:37:40 BST 2003 |
| 01:37.03 | George`Roasting | uh, yup |
| 01:37.04 | redtoade | ljp: I'd bet he doesn't sleep much |
| 01:37.19 | ljp | he sleeps while he's awake! |
| 01:37.30 | George`Roasting | hahahaha |
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| 01:39.34 | W8TVI | any idea what opie-launcher's tab editer is called? |
| 01:42.27 | ljp | tabmanager |
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| 01:43.18 | W8TVI | ok... |
| 01:43.39 | W8TVI | thats what I though... can't find it in the opie 1.0 feed... |
| 01:59.08 | George`ZZZzzz | night |
| 02:02.06 | kergoth | W8TVI: it wasnt included in the 1.0 release |
| 02:02.32 | W8TVI | why not?! |
| 02:02.53 | W8TVI | I just downloaded it from the 0.9.9 feed |
| 02:04.58 | kergoth | because it does Bad Things |
| 02:05.04 | kergoth | it moves shit around behind ipkg's back |
| 02:05.11 | kergoth | interferes with uninstallation, among other things |
| 02:05.53 | W8TVI | ah |
| 02:06.04 | W8TVI | crashes alot too |
| 02:06.30 | W8TVI | but its the only way to make things make sence |
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| 02:07.30 | kergoth | then go ahead and use the ipks you can find, but its not sane enough to be included in the 1.0 release. |
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| 02:14.40 | muaddib_ | Question what is the C D key when you reseet the flash to load openzaurus |
| 02:14.46 | kergoth | ? |
| 02:14.51 | kergoth | c, and d |
| 02:14.53 | kergoth | on the keyboard |
| 02:17.38 | huber | Question: is there a rom for the 5600 (OZ) available for testing? |
| 02:17.54 | kergoth | not prebuilt |
| 02:18.25 | huber | sounds good...how about source? :) |
| 02:18.37 | kergoth | uh |
| 02:18.40 | kergoth | openzaurus.org |
| 02:18.40 | kergoth | faq |
| 02:18.46 | kergoth | serach for ... big surprise... |
| 02:18.47 | huber | ugh, sorry |
| 02:18.49 | kergoth | SOURCE |
| 02:18.51 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:19.35 | muaddib_ | kergoth: step 4 says Hold down the "C" and "D" keys on the Zaurus' keyboard and press the "FULL RESET" button located on the lower-right side of the battery compartment. |
| 02:20.01 | kergoth | yes.. |
| 02:20.10 | kergoth | what about that is hard to understand? |
| 02:20.18 | kergoth | your Z has a qwerty keyboard |
| 02:20.20 | kergoth | it has letters |
| 02:20.24 | kergoth | c and d are two of them |
| 02:20.45 | muaddib_ | That physcially impossible to do that at the same time press c and d and press the reset button on the back of the pda you need both hands to press c and d |
| 02:21.47 | kergoth | its not physically impossible |
| 02:21.54 | kergoth | i've flashed my Z over a thousand times. |
| 02:22.09 | W8TVI | muaddib_, you two fingers |
| 02:22.14 | W8TVI | sorry |
| 02:22.18 | W8TVI | use two fingers |
| 02:22.33 | muaddib_ | So everything has to be at the same time. Also when doing this the unit is not plugged into the cradle I presume |
| 02:22.46 | kergoth | plug ac directly into the Z |
| 02:22.51 | kergoth | not on cradle |
| 02:22.55 | kergoth | flip it sideways, keyboard to the right |
| 02:22.58 | kergoth | slide out the keyboard |
| 02:23.04 | kergoth | hold hte battery cover in your left hand |
| 02:23.13 | W8TVI | one on c, the other on d, the use something to press the full reset button. you also have to have the barrery cover off |
| 02:23.15 | kergoth | with your right, hold the Z and hit c+d with your fingers |
| 02:23.20 | kergoth | while you tap full reset with the battery cover |
| 02:23.24 | kergoth | it has a little nub on the end |
| 02:23.28 | kergoth | thats pefect for using to tap it |
| 02:23.56 | kergoth | perfect rather |
| 02:24.06 | W8TVI | brb.. going to reflash the kernel AGAIN |
| 02:24.07 | W8TVI | lol |
| 02:25.22 | W8TVI | flashing! |
| 02:25.32 | W8TVI | heh |
| 02:26.05 | muaddib_ | Well kergoth right again |
| 02:26.26 | muaddib_ | How long is the process I presume the power and the mail LED will turn off when the flashing is complete |
| 02:26.46 | kergoth | 3 minutes |
| 02:26.47 | Bala | yes.. about 3 minutes... |
| 02:26.48 | kergoth | correct |
| 02:27.14 | muaddib_ | cool |
| 02:31.57 | huber | any recommended compiler version for building the source? (there appears to be 3.3, 3.3.1pre, and 2.95) |
| 02:32.44 | kergoth | up to you |
| 02:32.50 | kergoth | c++ apps arent bc in gcc3.x |
| 02:33.03 | kergoth | so if you biuld a 3.x image it'll be faster, but no binaries on ZSI or anywehere will work |
| 02:33.17 | huber | heh, right...forgot about that |
| 02:33.40 | kergoth | myself, i dont use any commercial apps, except a few of the games from neo |
| 02:34.31 | huber | so, are the applications on the feeds built with 3.x? |
| 02:34.39 | kergoth | no |
| 02:34.42 | kergoth | 3.x is an optional thing |
| 02:34.52 | kergoth | i'm not going to just up & break compatibility. |
| 02:35.10 | huber | right. I'll just use 2.95 for the moment :) |
| 02:42.20 | muaddib_ | Maybe I don't fully understand what qtopia-desktop but is qtopia-desktop the only way to install packages and have them synced to your device |
| 02:44.10 | muaddib_ | Because I am about to give up on the product I test qtopia-desktop on 3 machines and I still can't get it to work. I've verified that my usb networking is working perfectlty but qtopia-desktop just doesn't work |
| 02:49.06 | muaddib_ | please disregard last post FINALLY GOT IT WORKING |
| 02:49.36 | huber | kergoth: thanks for the help. I'll tell you how it goes (after this build finishes) |
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| 02:51.18 | muaddib_ | does qtopia.net still exist for the package downloader |
| 02:52.09 | muaddib_ | Also does the zaurus drivers for windows work under openzaurus |
| 02:52.25 | kergoth | they work fine |
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| 02:53.52 | redtoade | md5s for image listed in topic? |
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| 03:37.54 | the3dman | Where can I find a working image for the 5500. I had been using the Aug 1st from http://opie.net.wox.org/openzaurus/ but the site is down and I need to re flash. (need sdmmc so can't use the new collie) |
| 03:39.11 | drakonite | the3dman, www.openzaurus.org .... |
| 03:39.39 | drakonite | or are you wanting one of the test images people have had floating around? |
| 03:40.01 | the3dman | Yea, that is the 3.2. I was using the Opie 1.0 from the other day and screwed it up with some tkc apps. I did not save the image |
| 03:40.35 | the3dman | The test ones out on Aug 1st worked great for me. Everything was working |
| 03:40.55 | drakonite | the snapshot I made works great too |
| 03:41.21 | the3dman | is that the one posted in the subject? Is says no sdmmc... |
| 03:42.04 | drakonite | no, i made my own snapshot earlier, although i'm trying to modify some things so mines isn't working at the moment. |
| 03:45.46 | the3dman | does yours have working sdmmc? I need to get my linux box back up to build these again myself. |
| 03:48.03 | drakonite | yeah |
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| 03:50.27 | the3dman | do you post yours when you've got it working? I wouldn't mind checking out a working 2.4.21 image. (stable or not) as long as sdmmc and wireless lan work. |
| 03:52.19 | drakonite | i haven't posted any yet, but I was planning on it. I have to figure out where i can post them though. |
| 03:52.55 | drakonite | i'm not using 2.4.21 though, I need sdmmc ;) ... the image in the topic would be one to check out if you don't need sdmmc |
| 03:53.31 | the3dman | Yea I just flashed with it, and am playing now. I do need sdmmc so it wont stay long. |
| 04:01.49 | muaddib_ | Question is there a voice recorder application with openzaurus and a memo application |
| 04:03.30 | drakonite | muaddib_, there is one in buildroot i ran across last night but I don't know if it's in the feeds or not. |
| 04:04.05 | muaddib_ | memo or voice recorder |
| 04:08.28 | drakonite | there are both |
| 04:09.18 | drakonite | there is a note applet that hides in the taskbar area for quick access... and a voice memo program, although I didn't try the voice memo program. |
| 04:09.36 | muaddib_ | what is it caled |
| 04:10.26 | ljp | vmemo |
| 04:11.50 | drakonite | sorry if I was taking a while to respond |
| 04:11.57 | muaddib_ | nprb |
| 04:12.12 | muaddib_ | hey doyou use qtopia-desktop |
| 04:13.15 | drakonite | no |
| 04:13.45 | muaddib_ | sorry for mispelling your name drakonite if I may ask what do you use |
| 04:14.14 | drakonite | muaddib_, use for what exactly? |
| 04:14.20 | muaddib_ | syncingf |
| 04:14.22 | muaddib_ | syncing |
| 04:14.53 | drakonite | oh.. I don't sync anymore.. I keep a backup copy of things using a CF card and that's about it. |
| 04:15.19 | drakonite | after i rebuild my system I may get qtopia-desktop setup again and start syncing with it... but i dunno. |
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| 04:36.07 | W8TVI | is there any tricks to get stuff to install to a SD card? |
| 04:36.24 | W8TVI | I"m getting alot of failed to link errors |
| 04:36.34 | kergoth | they're generally harmless. |
| 04:36.38 | W8TVI | k |
| 04:36.50 | W8TVI | I went with the 64/0 spilt :) |
| 04:38.15 | drakonite | W8TVI, you may want to format the sd card to ext2 before you install anything on it if you are going to do that ;) |
| 04:38.47 | W8TVI | I did a mkfs.ext2 /dev/mmcsd1 or something like that |
| 04:38.58 | W8TVI | forget what the dev name was now |
| 04:40.02 | drakonite | hehe... when i formatted mine I don't think I got it setup right... but it works perfectly so I don't feel like taking the effort to make sure it's right because the Z is the only thing I use it for.. |
| 04:41.22 | W8TVI | it installed the files to the sd card, but it failed to link anything |
| 04:43.32 | W8TVI | what did I do wrong? |
| 04:44.35 | drakonite | W8TVI, did it just spit out "couldn't link blah blah?" that is normal... does it show up as installed and in your tabs? |
| 04:45.20 | W8TVI | it shows as installed but not in the tabs. |
| 04:47.02 | W8TVI | I'm going to try a reboot |
| 04:55.29 | W8TVI | werid... it even linked it to the sd card... but it still wont start |
| 04:55.43 | kergoth | is y our card mounted as ext2? |
| 04:55.46 | kergoth | 'mount' |
| 04:56.03 | W8TVI | yeah |
| 04:56.07 | W8TVI | I think so anyway |
| 04:56.20 | kergoth | confirm. |
| 04:56.25 | W8TVI | how do I tell? |
| 04:56.45 | kergoth | .. |
| 04:56.49 | kergoth | MOUNT |
| 04:56.51 | kergoth | i just told you |
| 04:56.52 | kergoth | mount |
| 04:56.58 | W8TVI | ok |
| 04:57.18 | W8TVI | just makin sure.. |
| 04:57.44 | W8TVI | maing sure my brain was working right |
| 04:58.14 | W8TVI | /dev/mmcda1 on /mnt/card type ext2 (rw,nodev,noatime) |
| 04:59.17 | kergoth | dunno what the prob is then |
| 05:02.51 | muaddib_ | packages from the opie project are they compatible with openzaurus |
| 05:03.26 | kergoth | .. |
| 05:03.29 | kergoth | openzaurus _includes_ opie |
| 05:03.30 | ljp | umm, opie is on openzaurus rom |
| 05:03.41 | muaddib_ | Oh it is I wasn't aware of that |
| 05:05.15 | ljp | :) |
| 05:05.42 | kergoth | muaddib_: uh, its mentioned in numerous places on openzaurus.org |
| 05:06.21 | ljp | hmmm |
| 05:09.17 | W8TVI | I tryed installing mailit to sd card and it didn't even make the simlinks |
| 05:09.44 | kergoth | ipkg-link mount /mnt/card |
| 05:11.05 | ljp | is your sd formatted with ext2? |
| 05:11.10 | W8TVI | yep |
| 05:11.21 | W8TVI | just the way it says in the oz faq |
| 05:11.37 | ljp | ya, try ipkg-link |
| 05:12.09 | W8TVI | kergoth, I ran that comman, and on every one of the files it said: |
| 05:12.13 | W8TVI | ln: /opt/QtPalmtop/pics/zuc.png: File exists |
| 05:12.13 | W8TVI | ln: /opt/QtPalmtop/etc/zuc_units: File exists |
| 05:12.20 | kergoth | well then. |
| 05:13.19 | W8TVI | but nothing will start |
| 05:13.57 | kergoth | start it from the commandline. |
| 05:14.25 | W8TVI | if I have opie-mailit |
| 05:14.35 | W8TVI | I should be ableto start it with mailit, right? |
| 05:16.11 | W8TVI | hmm... I can start Today with today, but I cant start anything else thats showing up with a ? for an icon |
| 05:18.13 | W8TVI | its werid... |
| 05:18.36 | W8TVI | it works when things are installed to ram, but not to the SD card... |
| 05:19.56 | W8TVI | has anyone else ever gotten it to work with things installed to the SD card? |
| 05:36.26 | W8TVI | how do I get this thing to mount my ram drive? |
| 05:37.56 | W8TVI | I'm back to the 40mb ram kernel |
| 05:48.47 | W8TVI | anyone know how to get the ramdisk back? |
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| 06:37.24 | W8TVI | ljp: do you know where opie-addressbook, opie-calender keep thier data? |
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| 07:40.28 | Dr-Proton | I'd like to try out picogui.. whats the best way going about that? |
| 07:41.32 | Dr-Proton | I can't find any packages in the stable feed...:-/ |
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| 10:54.15 | enki | anyone have any clue what would happen if i used the 750 rom on a 760 ? |
| 10:54.32 | enki | the builtroot is breaking on me, so im curious bout tryin out a built rom already , soo....... |
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| 11:04.31 | Fare | enki: why would you do that??? |
| 11:04.48 | Fare | enki: at worst, you'd have to reflash the original ROM (keep a backup) |
| 11:05.27 | enki | how do i backup a rom? |
| 11:05.43 | enki | well i was tryin to build my own rom for my 760 i just got...but like i said, its breaking on me |
| 11:05.48 | enki | and there's no 760 image available |
| 11:05.58 | enki | only the shepherd image |
| 11:12.50 | George`ZZZzzz | enki: as I say, send me a C760 and I'll endeavour to create an OZ image for it :) |
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| 11:14.11 | enki | and once again, i must reiterate that i like my z more than i like the idea of giving it to you :P |
| 11:14.28 | enki | i guess ill go back to tryin to get the buildroot to work then :P |
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| 14:01.12 | prh | ok I just downloaded teh buildroot snapshot - and in defs-config should I find a sheperd.opie for a 750 build? |
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| 14:02.17 | W8TVI | Warning: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for opie-mediaplayer2: |
| 14:02.19 | W8TVI | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:02.33 | W8TVI | I'm running opie 1.0.0 |
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| 14:45.06 | cyn | kergoth: there's no chance of a miraculous new build for c700 in the next 24 hours right? I'm packin up to go somewhere and would *hate* to not check back RIGHT when a n00b is released |
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| 15:38.01 | kergoth | cyn: right |
| 15:39.06 | W8TVI | hey kergoth: have you head about any problems installing opie-mediaplayer2? be couse of not being able to find libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2? |
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| 16:21.11 | digitalnick | anyone know where i can dl movies to watch on my z? |
| 16:23.29 | CAMCAM | You can buy DVDs and convert them using your favorit tools ;) |
| 16:25.05 | eworm | Opieplayer2 can't play the movies converted with my favorit tools... |
| 16:25.08 | CAMCAM | It's better because you can choose quality and resolution |
| 16:25.20 | CAMCAM | Divx ? |
| 16:25.41 | eworm | AVI with OGG audio stream. |
| 16:25.46 | CAMCAM | ;) |
| 16:26.24 | eworm | Can play the avi and the ogg file, but not the multiplexed one containing both. |
| 16:26.39 | imk | i cant even get mediaplayer2 to install, it wants libstdc++ |
| 16:27.01 | CAMCAM | It's a problem well know by the Opie Team. |
| 16:27.07 | CAMCAM | A fix is in process |
| 16:27.08 | W8TVI | imk: join #opie |
| 16:27.16 | W8TVI | we are talking about it right now |
| 16:27.18 | imk | aieee, another channel |
| 16:27.18 | eworm | No problem on an ipqa, seems to be a libxine1 problem in oz. |
| 16:27.19 | imk | hehe |
| 16:27.30 | W8TVI | the ipaq feed is fine |
| 16:27.48 | imk | that brings it up to 10 channels on freenode for me hehe and thats just freenode |
| 16:28.30 | eworm | CAMCAM: Are there already any libs I can test? |
| 16:28.45 | W8TVI | imk: I haven't even tried kismet yet |
| 16:29.25 | imk | hehe |
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| 17:49.43 | CAMCAM | eworm: Very good question. I don't know anything about what is done currently by developpers teamq |
| 17:50.19 | CAMCAM | Only that something is coming |
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| 19:15.17 | prh | kergoth: you about? can't find any sheperd config files in the buildroot-snapshot... should I? |
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| 19:41.46 | prh | bah it's too quiet :O) |
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| 20:04.12 | redtoade | bring on the Opie 1.0 stable! |
| 20:04.59 | George- | uh |
| 20:05.01 | George- | ? |
| 20:06.01 | redtoade | George-: the oz image I installed yesterday has Opie at 1.0 (from openzaurus site) |
| 20:06.08 | redtoade | er... not 1.0 |
| 20:06.13 | redtoade | .93 I think |
| 20:06.26 | George- | get the August 1st build from http://opie.net.wox.org |
| 20:06.35 | George- | (no later, as usb seems to be broken) |
| 20:06.42 | George- | er. |
| 20:06.43 | redtoade | I thought that was a testing thing (like in the above topis) |
| 20:06.47 | redtoade | s/topis.topic |
| 20:06.47 | George- | yes, it is |
| 20:06.53 | George- | but that particular build is stable here |
| 20:06.54 | George- | :) |
| 20:06.57 | redtoade | George-: heh, I'm trusting you |
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| 20:07.02 | George- | http://opie.net.wox.org/openzaurus |
| 20:07.05 | George- | redtoade: that's a bad idea P |
| 20:07.06 | George- | :P |
| 20:07.09 | redtoade | heh |
| 20:07.25 | George- | Get the august 1st build... :P |
| 20:07.31 | George- | Or you'll regret it |
| 20:07.31 | George- | heh |
| 20:07.57 | George- | redtoade: which Zaurus do you have? |
| 20:08.27 | redtoade | 5500 |
| 20:08.32 | George- | ok |
| 20:08.36 | redtoade | which snapshot? 8/9 or 8/12? |
| 20:08.48 | George- | The one that's dated August 1st. |
| 20:08.56 | redtoade | oh, neither |
| 20:09.18 | George- | wtf |
| 20:09.20 | George- | IT'S GONE |
| 20:09.27 | George- | ok, forget what I said :P |
| 20:10.32 | redtoade | thank God... cause I was trying not to ask a stupid question like "what August 1st build?" |
| 20:10.43 | George- | heh |
| 20:10.54 | George- | I didn't realise mickeyl had trashed the older builds |
| 20:11.02 | George- | it was definitely there the day before yesterday |
| 20:11.03 | George- | heh |
| 20:11.25 | redtoade | I'll be adventurous and try today's |
| 20:11.45 | George- | uh, if usb doesn't work don't blame me |
| 20:11.46 | redtoade | it's almost 2 hours old, how bad could it be? |
| 20:11.51 | George- | er |
| 20:11.54 | redtoade | :) |
| 20:12.04 | George- | "*******EXPERIMENTAL*******" comes to mind |
| 20:12.08 | redtoade | heh |
| 20:12.11 | redtoade | I can wait |
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| 20:28.33 | jck | Is the image linked in the topic line for Z 5500s or 5000s? |
| 20:28.42 | jck | or will it work for both? |
| 20:29.00 | redtoade | (that and where's the md5s for them?) |
| 20:29.17 | jck | another good question... |
| 20:29.47 | jck | otherwise, is there an easy/recommended way to upgrade to opie 1.0 on OZ 3.2? |
| 20:30.46 | redtoade | jck: the impression I'm getting is a crowd is gathering with just that exact question |
| 20:30.56 | jck | haha |
| 20:31.18 | jck | bleh, ok, I think I'm getting some answers from the mailing list archives now |
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| 21:02.10 | brunes | hrm |
| 21:02.24 | brunes | anyone try out that testing image in the topic? (What does TS stand for?) |
| 21:06.59 | kergoth | touchscreen. |
| 21:07.24 | brunes | ohh |
| 21:07.26 | brunes | gotcha |
| 21:07.48 | W8TVI | brunes: I had to ask that too |
| 21:09.21 | W8TVI | brunes: I'm going to be testing it out on my 5500 in a few mins |
| 21:09.37 | brunes | I want to tets it just to see if the wifi works at all |
| 21:10.05 | brunes | wifi doesnt work much at all in 3.2 |
| 21:10.37 | kergoth | eh? |
| 21:10.39 | W8TVI | works fine on mine. (other than not being able to use WEP |
| 21:10.39 | kergoth | wifi works in 3.2 |
| 21:10.45 | kergoth | and wifi works in the 2.4.21 image |
| 21:10.50 | brunes | doest work for me. it can never find my AP |
| 21:11.03 | kergoth | the 2.4.21 image supports wireless extensions 16, so iwspy works properly |
| 21:11.15 | brunes | hrm |
| 21:11.23 | brunes | can I use the 2.4.21 image with OZ 3.2? |
| 21:12.00 | W8TVI | brunes: you can try, but you wont like it |
| 21:12.07 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:12.11 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:12.15 | kergoth | you want the kernel + initrd.bin |
| 21:12.26 | brunes | ok |
| 21:13.02 | brunes | well... as long as I know that the CF still works, Ill try it. My Z is currently th only way to access my CF, so flashing and not having CF to restore would be... bad :P |
| 21:13.12 | brunes | i have a CF reader coming ina few days |
| 21:14.25 | W8TVI | that reminds me... I need to copy over my backup folder from my ext2 SD card to my CF card |
| 21:16.43 | brunes | what is the benefit of formatting a CF as ext2 anyways? |
| 21:16.54 | brunes | do you get more space because of less waste or something? |
| 21:17.14 | W8TVI | it supports symlinks |
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| 21:17.30 | brunes | oh i see |
| 21:18.00 | W8TVI | if your setup is right, you would be able to install programs to it |
| 21:18.38 | brunes | i only use em for storage |
| 21:18.52 | W8TVI | ah |
| 21:18.56 | brunes | speaking of storage |
| 21:19.00 | W8TVI | then leave the as VFAT |
| 21:19.10 | W8TVI | that way you can read them anywere |
| 21:19.12 | brunes | who is the person who decides what the predefined splis are for the OZ zImage releases? |
| 21:19.30 | brunes | I really REALLY want more space / less ram than a 32/32 split on my 5500 |
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| 21:19.50 | brunes | like, I'd rather have 24 ram / 40 space |
| 21:20.13 | W8TVI | you really wouldnt want that |
| 21:20.21 | brunes | I dont need to run multiple apps on my PDA. |
| 21:20.24 | W8TVI | you'd have no ram to run things |
| 21:20.32 | brunes | I have looked at my mem usage, I constantly have 10+ megs free |
| 21:20.39 | brunes | even running two things |
| 21:20.50 | W8TVI | 32 is barely enough to run 2 programs at once |
| 21:21.01 | brunes | what programs are these? |
| 21:21.08 | brunes | I can run pretty much anythng.. |
| 21:21.15 | brunes | like 3 - 4 times over |
| 21:22.00 | W8TVI | just try running opie-mediaplayer2 + anything else |
| 21:22.13 | W8TVI | while playing something that is |
| 21:23.11 | brunes | well I'd never be doing that for one.. |
| 21:23.36 | brunes | I dunno I would just liek the option, to try it out and seeif it is OK for me |
| 21:24.11 | brunes | one of the big things about OS was that there were different plits, and I was like "yay, mor espace", but then I went to look and they're all for getting more ram |
| 21:24.32 | brunes | andI couldn't find the process to build my own zimage.. |
| 21:29.17 | kergoth | brunes: i'm the person that defines that. |
| 21:29.34 | kergoth | and you're the first person to ever request that |
| 21:29.37 | kergoth | out of the thousands of users |
| 21:30.41 | W8TVI | if I could get oz to install things to my SD card right, I'd use the 64/0 split |
| 21:33.19 | brunes | kergoth: Is there any way a source based version of the zImage with a configure script or simmilar couldbe offered, for user's to tweak their own kernels? |
| 21:33.40 | brunes | that'd satisfy me plenty |
| 21:37.32 | brunes | uh oh.. |
| 21:37.58 | brunes | just installed that stuff in the topic... I am at the calibration screen, and touching the crosshairs does tnohing |
| 21:38.05 | brunes | seems to be locked |
| 21:40.00 | brunes | and the usb networking doesnt work |
| 21:40.03 | brunes | ..... argh |
| 21:41.37 | W8TVI | USB networking is the work of satan! |
| 21:41.55 | brunes | someone change the topic to "TS does *not* work on 5500 :P |
| 21:42.19 | W8TVI | it seems to work for other people |
| 21:42.30 | brunes | when I tap it 5 times, it powers down, lol |
| 21:42.38 | kergoth | brunes: it works. |
| 21:42.42 | kergoth | it doesnt work *FOR YOU* |
| 21:42.47 | kergoth | people and their assumptions. |
| 21:42.51 | W8TVI | heh |
| 21:42.53 | kergoth | an the kernel sources are freely available. |
| 21:42.55 | brunes | well... my 500 is no different fromt eh next guy :P |
| 21:43.00 | brunes | s/500/5500 |
| 21:43.03 | W8TVI | come one slow dialup! |
| 21:43.04 | kergoth | sharp links to them on zaurus.com |
| 21:43.17 | W8TVI | come on! |
| 21:43.40 | brunes | but those are the sharp sources, not the oz ones.. |
| 21:44.15 | kergoth | brunes: oz's patches are in its buildsystem |
| 21:44.26 | kergoth | brunes: if you bothered to search the openzaurus.org faq for 'source', .. you'd find the .. source. |
| 21:44.30 | kergoth | isnt logic great? |
| 21:44.43 | brunes | it should be under download |
| 21:44.51 | kergoth | yes, it should |
| 21:44.53 | kergoth | you want to do it? |
| 21:44.56 | kergoth | patches welcome. |
| 21:44.57 | brunes | sure |
| 21:45.01 | kergoth | our php sources are also freely available. |
| 21:45.08 | kergoth | in the cvs repository on sourceforge |
| 21:45.14 | brunes | giv eme cvs access and ill fix it right up |
| 21:45.18 | kergoth | .. |
| 21:45.21 | kergoth | its SOURCEFORGE |
| 21:45.23 | kergoth | check it out |
| 21:45.25 | kergoth | send me a patch |
| 21:45.28 | brunes | my sf id is brunes69 |
| 21:45.34 | kergoth | you think i'm going to give you write access when i dont know wtf you're going to do? |
| 21:45.37 | kergoth | you're on crack. |
| 21:45.40 | brunes | lol |
| 21:45.41 | kergoth | prove yourself, THEN you get access. |
| 21:45.56 | W8TVI | why would it be under download? that would make too much sence |
| 21:45.58 | brunes | I need bitkeeper to do this?? |
| 21:46.00 | brunes | jesus |
| 21:47.56 | kergoth | ibot: oz snapshot |
| 21:47.57 | | i heard oz snapshot is http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/snapshot/ or updated every 4 hours by Navi or this is a snapshot of the bk oz buildroot tree use it to compile your own OZ if you don't want to use BK |
| 21:48.03 | kergoth | brunes: deal with it. |
| 21:48.16 | kergoth | i'm really getting tired of users bitching instead of assisting |
| 21:48.18 | kergoth | i'm only one person |
| 21:48.23 | brunes | i will assist |
| 21:48.28 | kergoth | either use it and shut the fuck up, or help |
| 21:48.29 | brunes | I never said I wouldnt |
| 21:48.54 | brunes | I am just wondering as to the reason for bitkeeper |
| 21:49.20 | kergoth | because its the right tool for the job. |
| 21:49.32 | kergoth | cvs is far inferior, and svn is too unproven. |
| 21:49.45 | kergoth | the numerous reports of repos corruption wrt svn is enough to avoid it. |
| 21:50.45 | brunes | everyone knows that cvs is inferior in general, but the real question is is the project large enough to warrant bitkeeper, which many people dont have |
| 21:52.03 | kergoth | huh? |
| 21:52.09 | kergoth | size is irrelevent. |
| 21:52.20 | kergoth | and whether its enough to warrant it or not, its not your decision to make. |
| 21:52.42 | brunes | ok ok, calm down |
| 21:54.25 | kergoth | i'm tired of explaining my reasons for my policy decisions to every fucking joe bloe that comes by and thinks he knows whats best. |
| 21:55.24 | brunes | I did not mean to say I thought whats best |
| 21:55.28 | brunes | I was just asking |
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| 21:58.02 | W8TVI_ | well... I'm flashing the the testing kernel+fs |
| 22:03.18 | W8TVI_ | hmmm... it seems to work for me just fine! |
| 22:03.19 | W8TVI_ | :) |
| 22:03.23 | brunes | hrmm |
| 22:03.26 | brunes | weird |
| 22:03.33 | W8TVI_ | reflash it |
| 22:03.43 | brunes | I did |
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| 22:03.46 | brunes | twice |
| 22:04.05 | brunes | it just goes to the calibrate screen |
| 22:04.27 | brunes | and.. if I power down 9with Cancel), then power back up, then it just seems to wait 5 seconds power itself down again |
| 22:04.54 | brunes | and I cant ssh in.... oh well, guess I'll have to wait till my flash card reader comes in |
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| 22:23.04 | George- | kergoth: whoa, I missed the fight! |
| 22:23.08 | George- | bugger. |
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| 22:26.25 | George- | <kergoth> you think i'm going to give you write access when i dont know wtf you're going to do? |
| 22:26.30 | George- | kergoth: you were gonna give me access.. :P |
| 22:26.40 | George- | kergoth: but instead you authorised chouimat to do it :) |
| 22:32.17 | George- | brunes: heh, you're lucky you even get that far, mine kernel panics whilst booting up using that image (5000D) |
| 22:32.51 | George- | it may well have mem=64M or something in the bootflags :( |
| 22:41.15 | W8TVI | George-: on my 5500 I get althe way into opie |
| 22:41.20 | W8TVI | and can run programs |
| 22:41.51 | George- | W8TVI: nifty |
| 22:42.02 | George- | btw - about the SD card problem |
| 22:42.09 | George- | is your SD formatted as ext2? |
| 22:42.10 | kergoth | sd card problem? |
| 22:42.16 | enki | weeeee lets try this buildroot thing again... |
| 22:42.18 | George- | kergoth: *his* sd card problem :) |
| 22:42.38 | W8TVI | still no it never worked |
| 22:42.39 | George- | <W8TVI> if I could get oz to install things to my SD card right, I'd use the 64/0 split |
| 22:42.47 | W8TVI | it never worked for me |
| 22:42.57 | kergoth | ah, works great here |
| 22:43.04 | George- | kergoth: I laughed so hard when I read that backlog between you and brunes :) |
| 22:43.11 | George- | kergoth: heck, it's worse than you and me :P |
| 22:44.12 | George- | kergoth: should I upload my 5000D 2.4.18 to www.openzaurus.org/unofficial? |
| 22:47.12 | enki | is anyone else getting a connection timeout when trying to connect to treke.net ? |
| 22:47.48 | George- | george@titanium george $ ping www.treke.net |
| 22:47.49 | George- | PING treke.net (192.216.230.225): 56 octets data |
| 22:47.49 | George- | --- treke.net ping statistics --- |
| 22:47.49 | George- | 3 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss |
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| 22:48.03 | *** mode/#openzaurus [+b *!*m0f73@*.c002.t7.mrt.starband.net] by calvino.freenode.net |
| 22:48.21 | George- | wb |
| 22:48.22 | George- | :P |
| 22:50.56 | George- | ye gods, freenode's going bonkers |
| 22:51.04 | George- | ibot kill dancer-ircd |
| 22:51.05 | | ACTION executes killall -9 dancer-ircd |
| 22:52.01 | ljp | maybe thats a hint, that you shouldnt be here ;) |
| 22:52.16 | ljp | never goes bonkers when you arent here |
| 22:53.20 | Soopaman | hey ljp, who brewed the pot of haterade that you are sipping on? |
| 22:53.33 | ljp | hehhee, oh its just george.. |
| 22:53.42 | ljp | he knows I am only poking fun at him, anyway |
| 22:53.46 | Soopaman | ehehe |
| 22:54.23 | kergoth | Soopaman: i brewed that pot, if you must ask. |
| 22:54.25 | kergoth | :D |
| 22:54.59 | enki | the more appropriate question is, "Where did you get your PhD. (Playa Hatin' Degree)" |
| 22:56.18 | George- | ok, I'm uploading 2.4.18 + modules for 5000D and 5500 to oz.org |
| 22:58.18 | brunes | George-: Yeah this kernel is a no go for me |
| 22:58.37 | enki | treke.net is timing out ... tryin to grab some kernel headers for the buildroot...bummer |
| 23:00.50 | George- | enki: It's not ping replying :P |
| 23:00.59 | George- | brunes: I might have a look at it over here |
| 23:01.05 | enki | George-: indeed |
| 23:01.14 | George- | enki: go bitch to treke :) |
| 23:01.19 | enki | im just sayin , it kind of prevents progress |
| 23:01.33 | George- | :P |
| 23:01.41 | enki | well, im not one to complain...ill just wait for someone to send you a sl-c760, so you can make me an image yourself |
| 23:01.43 | George- | what's the headers file? |
| 23:01.46 | kergoth | so google is your friend |
| 23:01.51 | kergoth | find another mirror. |
| 23:01.52 | George- | enki: hhahahaha :) |
| 23:01.59 | enki | --23:58:50-- http://treke.net/oz/kernel-headers-2.4.18.tar.bz2 |
| 23:02.00 | enki | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:02.00 | enki | Connecting to treke.net[192.216.230.225]:80... |
| 23:02.02 | George- | enki: I can tell you know, no-one is going to send me a C760 :) |
| 23:02.17 | George- | enki: I have that file on my hdd on my desktop |
| 23:02.25 | George- | enki: but I can't be bothered to hike downstairs and turn it on :) |
| 23:02.52 | enki | so if i can get that file, can i just drop it in some directory in the buildroot, and the program will be fooled? |
| 23:02.57 | kergoth | yes |
| 23:03.00 | kergoth | in sourcdes/ |
| 23:03.01 | kergoth | sources/ |
| 23:03.02 | enki | neato |
| 23:03.50 | George- | kergoth: you wouldn't happen to know the address of the sf SSH server off-hand would you? |
| 23:04.10 | enki | done and done. thanks kergoth |
| 23:05.20 | kergoth | George-: ssh.sf.net |
| 23:05.46 | George- | kergoth: thanks |
| 23:05.56 | George- | kergoth: heh, I could've guessed that :) |
| 23:07.36 | George- | cya |
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| 23:10.08 | Speedy2 | Yo. |
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| 23:10.40 | George- | hrmm |
| 23:10.41 | enki | well i guess he lives up to his nick |
| 23:10.43 | George- | he stayed for a while. |
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| 23:13.37 | George- | --- *** Notice -- Hmmm, George- is rehosting QB (~hughescih@i.am.a.silly.sod) to "i.am.a.really.silly.sod" |
| 23:13.37 | George- | --- [QB] (~hughescih@i.am.a.really.silly.sod) : User |
| 23:13.38 | George- | hahahahaha |
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| 23:21.11 | *** topic/#openzaurus by George- -> OpenZaurus User support channel. See #openembedded for developer questions. Latest 2.4.21/opie 1.0 testing image at but it http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/zaurus/collie/. TS works, and is mostly usable, but keyboard is flaky and sdmmc is nonexistant. | 2.4.18 at http://openzaurus.org/unofficial/experimental/collie/2.4.18-rmk7-np2-embedix/ |
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| 23:23.06 | George- | hi TMM1 |
| 23:23.25 | TMM1 | hi |
| 23:26.27 | George- | hi hydrochloric |
| 23:26.29 | George- | acid |
| 23:27.21 | huber | anyone here tried flashing a 5600 with oz? |
| 23:27.37 | George- | kergoth probably has :) |
| 23:27.51 | huber | probably :) |
| 23:28.11 | George- | it's just a shame he's an asshole |
| 23:28.17 | Soopaman | damn george |
| 23:28.24 | George- | Soopaman: ? |
| 23:28.25 | huber | I built the source, got a nice initrd and kernel image out of it, but can't seem to convince the z to reflash... |
| 23:28.26 | Soopaman | do you ever let him be? |
| 23:28.27 | huber | heh |
| 23:28.33 | George- | Soopaman: don't be silly :) |
| 23:28.35 | Soopaman | always on his back for something |
| 23:28.43 | George- | Soopaman: lol, you think I'm serious don't you? :) |
| 23:28.46 | George- | HAHAHAHA |
| 23:28.51 | George- | Someone took me seriously!!! |
| 23:28.56 | Soopaman | it's funny every now and then, but when it's relentless, then it can work a nerve |
| 23:28.57 | George- | Man, this is a new experience |
| 23:29.00 | huber | clearly, that was a mistake |
| 23:29.03 | Soopaman | jokes or not |
| 23:29.14 | George- | Soopaman: well, it's not going to work kergoth's nerve :P |
| 23:29.17 | Soopaman | the same joke all the time does get annoying |
| 23:30.16 | George- | Soopaman: kergoth doesn't care ;) |
| 23:30.25 | huber | so, is the procedure for the 5600 supposed to be pretty much the same (C, D, reset button on back, with CF containing the new relevant files)? |
| 23:30.38 | Soopaman | well i guess i shouldn't either then |
| 23:30.52 | George- | Soopaman: hehe |
| 23:34.30 | George- | ye gods, it's 25 to 1 am |
| 23:47.54 | kergoth`bbl | huber: no, its quite different. |
| 23:48.37 | George- | kergoth`bbl: what? they changed it? so you can learn a more finger-breaking way of flashing your bloody Z? :P |
| 23:49.34 | pb_ | George-: yes, I'm sure that's what they were thinking. |
| 23:49.57 | George- | pb_: heh |
| 23:50.42 | huber | kergoth`bbl: yeah? are you giving me shit or what? :) |
| 23:51.20 | huber | I get the leds to blink, like the Z can't find the images for flashing |
| 23:51.45 | kergoth`bbl | eh? |
| 23:51.49 | kergoth`bbl | 5600 has two possible means of flashing |
| 23:51.55 | huber | okay |
| 23:51.58 | kergoth`bbl | neither of which will work without an additional control file |
| 23:52.21 | huber | please explain? |
| 23:52.30 | kergoth`bbl | no time |
| 23:52.35 | huber | okay. |
| 23:52.37 | kergoth`bbl | loook on the sharp site for the 5600 rom update |
| 23:52.39 | kergoth`bbl | should have hte steps as well |
| 23:54.25 | prh | kergoth`bbl: should I be able to build for shepherd with the buildroot-snapshot ? |
| 23:54.41 | kergoth`bbl | prh: dunno, i havent checked the snapshots in a while |
| 23:54.42 | kergoth`bbl | you should, yes |
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| 23:54.48 | kergoth`bbl | is it not listed.. or? |
| 23:55.00 | prh | ok - I can't see any sheperd-xxx files |
| 23:55.18 | huber | Okay, I'll check the sharp site -- thanks |
| 23:56.20 | prh | kergoth`bbl: did you remember where your oz design docs were? (I'd love to get arch/tla developers to make it suitable for you/OZ so I can do suffer with not being able to use bk... :) |
| 23:58.41 | kergoth`bbl | hmm, could be teh snapshots arent being updated |
| 23:58.43 | kergoth`bbl | i'll upload one |
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| 23:59.25 | prh | ta |