| 00:03.48 | imk|z | W8TVI: that sucks |
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| 00:33.44 | digitalnick | does anyone else experience problems installng apps to sd cars with the 3.2 rom on the 550 |
| 00:33.58 | George- | digitalnick: is your SD formatted as vfat? |
| 00:34.25 | digitalnick | yeh i just got it |
| 00:34.36 | George- | format it as ext2 |
| 00:34.40 | George- | vfat doesn't support symlinks |
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| 00:34.54 | George- | and that'll be what any of your problems are most probably |
| 00:35.05 | digitalnick | I need to reload my Z cause it ran out of space and now it wont let me remove the packages that it didnt get to fully installl |
| 00:35.23 | George- | oh dear |
| 00:35.29 | George- | go complain to kergoth |
| 00:35.33 | digitalnick | hehe |
| 00:35.38 | digitalnick | common problem? |
| 00:35.47 | George- | no |
| 00:35.53 | George- | but kergoth is OZ maintainer :) |
| 00:35.58 | digitalnick | yeh |
| 00:36.06 | W8TVI | I cant get stuff to install to sd on my 5500 |
| 00:36.14 | digitalnick | its no biggie to reload |
| 00:36.37 | W8TVI | well.. now I cant get anything to install my 5500 |
| 00:36.38 | W8TVI | ;) |
| 00:36.40 | digitalnick | now that i have all the stuff i need |
| 00:36.55 | digitalnick | card reader, wireless card, cf card and sd card |
| 00:37.23 | digitalnick | problem was mainly that i was leaving the wifi card in all the time so i had no room to install stuff unless i got a sde card |
| 00:37.58 | W8TVI | be carefull about what you hook up to your Z for power |
| 00:39.29 | W8TVI | when the fuse blew on my car power adapter it killed my z |
| 00:47.30 | nerdboy | what about 5.4 volts @ around 2 A ? |
| 00:47.44 | nerdboy | it's a dell power charger |
| 00:47.55 | nerdboy | for their cheesy little pocket PC |
| 00:53.10 | W8TVI | shoud be fine nerdboy |
| 01:16.19 | digitalnick | whne im flashing my z and the mail and battery light are light up am i supposed to wait until they turn off to press the reset button again and turn the z on? |
| 01:19.19 | Solar[X] | Wait until one of them turns off. |
| 01:23.10 | digitalnick | is the a browser than konq that works on oz? |
| 01:23.26 | digitalnick | better ^ |
| 01:23.33 | Solar[X] | Opera :) |
| 01:23.45 | digitalnick | thought that the faq said it dosnt work on oz? |
| 01:24.24 | Solar[X] | http://195.241.12.117/Z/opera_6.0_arm.ipk <--this one does |
| 01:24.32 | digitalnick | nice thanks |
| 01:25.02 | digitalnick | i hated typing the http:// in first |
| 01:25.10 | digitalnick | i dont have to do that with opea do i ? |
| 01:25.18 | Solar[X] | Nah |
| 01:25.27 | Solar[X] | Plus it has other features which come in handy on the Z. |
| 01:25.30 | digitalnick | sweet that was the most annoying thing |
| 01:25.40 | Solar[X] | Like zooming, list view, multiple windows, etc. |
| 01:26.55 | digitalnick | anywhere i can get handcom without reflasshing my z to the zaurus rom ? |
| 01:27.12 | Solar[X] | Hm someone posted a link earlier... |
| 01:27.50 | Solar[X] | Don't have it anymore :S |
| 01:28.00 | Solar[X] | But I think there's a creator package on killefiz.de |
| 01:28.10 | Solar[X] | It rips it from the ROM. |
| 01:28.28 | digitalnick | yeh thats what i thought |
| 01:28.34 | digitalnick | ill do it later when i get home i guess |
| 01:28.38 | digitalnick | time to head to the bar |
| 01:28.44 | digitalnick | thanks for the opera package |
| 01:28.52 | Solar[X] | np |
| 01:31.32 | digitalnick | one quick thing |
| 01:31.38 | digitalnick | how do i format my sd card to ext2? |
| 01:31.49 | digitalnick | mke2fs /dev/sdc0 ? |
| 01:32.02 | nerdboy | mke2fs /dev/mmcda1 |
| 01:32.09 | nerdboy | used to ne... |
| 01:32.15 | nerdboy | *be even |
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| 04:30.38 | STrRedWolf | Heya. |
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| 04:36.15 | STrRedWolf | Is it just me, or does OpenZaurus just only support the WiFi cards? Just tried to plug in three different PCMCIA cards via a CF host -> PCMCIA card adapter, all ethernet cards. |
| 04:40.08 | W8TVI | most likely it just doesn't have the drivers for them... |
| 04:40.46 | W8TVI | they'd probly work if you could find a driver... |
| 04:40.57 | kergoth | more likely it supports them but doesnt have the pcmcia config entries. does it say "unsupported card"? |
| 04:41.23 | STrRedWolf | I have one for the 3c589. But it says "Anonymous Memory" |
| 04:46.43 | Solar[X] | Hm I had that once, turned out I had to push it in really hard in order for it to make good contact. |
| 04:47.20 | Solar[X] | It was weird, if I'd slide it in gently, it'd be recognized as Anonymous Memory, but if I'd insert it firmly, it'd recognize the chip. |
| 04:47.36 | Solar[X] | Don't know if your case is the same, it's worth a try though :) |
| 04:47.42 | kergoth | anonymous memory is generally a hardware issue, it was unable to query the identifying information on the card |
| 04:49.50 | STrRedWolf | Ugh. And to think the Linksys WPC11 works with the adapter. Infact... |
| 04:53.31 | STrRedWolf | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3426041998&category=42191&rd=1 |
| 04:53.36 | STrRedWolf | That's what I'm talking about. |
| 05:08.07 | knoppix | what are 3c574-modules 3c589-modules and 8390-modules for and can I safely remove them? |
| 05:11.13 | STrRedWolf | They're for ethernet cards. |
| 05:11.39 | knoppix | not wifi? |
| 05:12.29 | STrRedWolf | Not Wifi. |
| 05:12.40 | knoppix | my wifi uses hostap and is the only network card i use so it should be safe to remove them |
| 05:12.52 | knoppix | thanks |
| 05:13.20 | STrRedWolf | NP. |
| 05:13.26 | STrRedWolf | Which Wifi card are you using? |
| 05:13.57 | knoppix | http://www.ambicom.com/products/wave2net/wl1100c-cf.html |
| 05:14.22 | knoppix | i had a netgear ma701 but it really sucked |
| 05:14.37 | knoppix | it only worked for about 10 seconds at a time |
| 05:14.54 | STrRedWolf | Same with a Linksys WCF12. Kept frying. |
| 05:15.31 | knoppix | i've ordered the ambicom but i don't have it yet but i hope it works well |
| 05:15.49 | knoppix | i haven't heard anything bad about them |
| 05:15.55 | STrRedWolf | I'm looking into a Socket Wifi card myself. I heard they're very good. |
| 05:16.53 | knoppix | the price was right on this so went for it |
| 05:17.00 | STrRedWolf | How much? |
| 05:17.22 | knoppix | I got the card and a pockettop keyboard for $75 |
| 05:17.30 | STrRedWolf | Not too bad. |
| 05:18.19 | knoppix | with the keyboard maybe i'll start to use my z for things other than games |
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| 06:18.28 | kergoth | hrmmmm? |
| 06:18.32 | hardwire | nm |
| 06:18.33 | hardwire | go back to sleep |
| 06:18.46 | hardwire | the sharp zaurus has a uart onboard right? |
| 06:19.35 | kergoth | uses the 3rd sa1110 uart iirc |
| 06:19.49 | hardwire | so the serial cables work on the 5000D right? |
| 06:19.51 | kergoth | for serial anyway |
| 06:19.52 | kergoth | yep |
| 06:19.54 | hardwire | neat |
| 06:20.06 | hardwire | sorta.. |
| 06:20.07 | hardwire | damnit |
| 06:20.18 | hardwire | hmm |
| 06:20.22 | kergoth | heh. what ya working onA? |
| 06:20.24 | kergoth | s/A// |
| 06:20.31 | hardwire | nobody has hacked the sa1100 into being a usb HCI have they? |
| 06:20.41 | kergoth | not to my knowledge. |
| 06:20.45 | hardwire | hmm |
| 06:21.02 | hardwire | I can fit my geode sbc into it |
| 06:21.10 | hardwire | but.. I was thinking.. hey.. zaurus.. better battery life |
| 06:21.22 | hardwire | except.. I would need to have a camera on it |
| 06:21.28 | hardwire | I cannot do that w/o usb |
| 06:21.33 | hardwire | cause I would be using the CF for 802.11 |
| 06:21.40 | hardwire | NOT ENOUGH IO! |
| 06:22.12 | hardwire | now I have to build a power board for the geode |
| 06:23.07 | kergoth | heh. too bad Z is only spi for sd, not the full interface |
| 06:23.12 | kergoth | cause then you'd have sdio |
| 06:23.12 | kergoth | heh |
| 06:25.50 | hardwire | well hmmphm |
| 06:26.13 | hardwire | like a dual PCMCIA ;) |
| 06:26.21 | hardwire | well |
| 06:26.22 | hardwire | nm |
| 06:26.26 | hardwire | this is all pipe dream |
| 06:26.36 | hardwire | I will make a power module for the SBC I have |
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| 06:47.50 | mithro_ | hello... |
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| 07:43.24 | prh | hardwire: there are cf-pcmcia adaptors. they obviously stick out |
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| 07:47.20 | rakis | anybody running the new test kernel? |
| 07:47.39 | rakis | if so, what MB's do you have? |
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| 08:13.43 | Carkus | not sure if the input script is being run at startup, but ive started it manually, and then loaded the vnc server |
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| 11:54.36 | HCl | i think i can safely report that the 2.4.18 kernel in the topic doesnt work on the 5500g |
| 11:54.50 | HCl | it boots, partly, but hangs after a few seconds |
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| 14:43.11 | digitalnick | does anyone have a link to an opera that will work on my Z? |
| 14:55.55 | Solar[X] | Mine didn't work? |
| 15:00.11 | digitalnick | well its a tar file and it wont untar |
| 15:00.55 | Solar[X] | Hm it's a .ipk file, your browser probably messed up the extension. |
| 15:01.01 | digitalnick | yeh |
| 15:01.05 | digitalnick | i tried renaming it |
| 15:01.09 | CAMCAM | Hi everyone |
| 15:01.11 | CAMCAM | Does OZ support the Gmate Yopy at present ? |
| 15:01.11 | digitalnick | it worked now |
| 15:01.13 | digitalnick | heh |
| 15:04.18 | digitalnick | are there any mail clients that support imap? |
| 15:49.16 | digitalnick | opie-mail2 dosnt seem to work |
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| 17:10.23 | digitalnick | anyone have a low power socket wlan card? |
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| 17:35.45 | uncon | how do i fix the "Bus Error" problem when using fdisk on mmc/sd? |
| 17:36.04 | W8TVI | ignore it |
| 17:36.06 | W8TVI | :P |
| 17:36.29 | uncon | fdisk dies... |
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| 17:36.52 | uncon | and, i need to use fdisk... |
| 17:36.58 | canders | hmm |
| 17:37.31 | W8TVI | brb |
| 17:38.06 | ^slash | if i d/l the opie 1.0 feed and put it onto CF how do i upgrade OZ3.2's opie t the latest ? |
| 17:38.22 | ^slash | do i goto console and simply ipkg * |
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| 17:47.26 | cleverdra | uncon - curiously, why do you need fdisk? |
| 17:47.58 | uncon | to fix my broken partition table |
| 17:47.58 | digitalnick | partitioning a cd card? |
| 17:48.04 | digitalnick | err cf |
| 17:48.05 | uncon | sd |
| 17:48.10 | digitalnick | ah |
| 17:48.23 | cleverdra | uncon - yes. why do you want to do that? |
| 17:50.23 | uncon | to fix my broken partition table |
| 17:51.01 | cleverdra | why do you have a partition table on your sd card? |
| 17:51.14 | uncon | who doesn;t? |
| 17:52.22 | cleverdra | sigh. If you just want one 'partition' spanning the device, use mke2fs /dev/mmcda1 |
| 17:52.41 | uncon | i need it do be dos |
| 17:52.52 | cleverdra | mkdosfs also exists. |
| 17:53.22 | uncon | right, bt if i don't use a partition table, i doubt windows will like it |
| 17:53.35 | cleverdra | also, why does it need to be dos? You're sharing the card with a camera? |
| 17:54.05 | uncon | btw, mkdosfs /dev/mmcda1 doesn't work |
| 17:54.28 | uncon | i' sharin it with a win2k machine |
| 17:54.34 | cleverdra | uncon - I'm not familiar with what windows likes. You might try it and see, or use your windows formatting software. |
| 17:54.50 | uncon | "mkdosfs: Attempting to create a too large file system" |
| 17:55.03 | uncon | windows won't format it |
| 17:55.07 | cleverdra | uncon - 'doesn't work' means *absolutely nothing* -- oh, OK. |
| 17:55.13 | cleverdra | uncon - why not? |
| 17:55.26 | uncon | "windows failed to finish the format" *shrug* |
| 17:55.39 | uncon | not a very descriptive error message |
| 17:56.03 | cleverdra | how odd. All I can tell you is that mke2fs /dev/mmcda1 worked fine for me. Sorry. |
| 17:56.14 | uncon | mmm, thanks anyway |
| 17:56.38 | cleverdra | how'd you break the card? |
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| 18:17.16 | digitalnick | i cant get y low power socket cardto work with kisemt |
| 18:17.26 | digitalnick | s/y/my |
| 18:28.03 | godsmoke | what errors does it give you? |
| 18:34.24 | digitalnick | well ive been messing with it now and cant get some packages removed |
| 18:34.59 | digitalnick | i cant remember the origional error |
| 18:35.27 | digitalnick | now im getting no such file when i run kismet ... installed from kismet-socket package |
| 18:36.00 | digitalnick | i just found an updated package and going to try that |
| 18:36.10 | digitalnick | brb |
| 18:41.18 | cleverdra | the solution to packaging problems is still to install everything manually. |
| 18:42.41 | digitalnick | maybe ill reflash and get the origional error message |
| 18:51.49 | digitalnick | ok reflashing |
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| 19:24.46 | George- | ibot sunday |
| 19:24.47 | | Sunday sucks, because tomorrow is monday (See monday). |
| 19:25.51 | cleverdra | ibot monday |
| 19:25.51 | | i heard monday is when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems it takes you until friday to get back to normal. a good reason to want to go out and kill people, or a day that no work should be performed due to this phenomenon, or a day requiring the use of large amounts of drugs |
| 19:26.30 | George- | ibot tuesday |
| 19:26.31 | | Tuesday sucks, because it follows Monday (see monday). |
| 19:26.35 | George- | hahaha |
| 19:27.09 | digitalnick | ok so i reflashed and installed kismet |
| 19:27.31 | digitalnick | i get ioctl: no such device when i try to run kismet_server |
| 19:29.55 | digitalnick | any ideas? |
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| 19:39.23 | pasky | hello |
| 19:39.29 | pasky | please, how do i specify source/feed to use to ipkg? |
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| 19:39.52 | pasky | even though i'm on stable completely, when doing 'ipkg upgrade' it started to upgrade stuff to testing automagically |
| 19:40.25 | pasky | if there's a place where i could rtfm, i will gladly do so, but i can't find any reasonable ipkg documentation |
| 19:42.57 | digitalnick | deactive the testing feed |
| 19:43.53 | pasky | but i want to install few packages from testnig later (especially the media player which is terribly unstable in stable feed) .. so what if i will want to do 'ipkg upgrade' then? |
| 19:44.08 | pasky | it will downgrade the mediaplayer back to stable? |
| 19:44.46 | pasky | root@choo-choo:~# ipkg upgrade |
| 19:44.46 | pasky | Downloading http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/feed/ftplib_0.9.9-20030720_arm.ipk |
| 19:44.52 | pasky | exactly as i thought :((( |
| 19:45.37 | pasky | digitalnick: uh |
| 19:45.43 | pasky | root@choo-choo:~# ipkg upgrade |
| 19:45.45 | pasky | root@choo-choo:~# |
| 19:45.48 | pasky | now this does nothing |
| 19:46.07 | pasky | after removal of testnig and unstable sources |
| 19:46.15 | pasky | so how will i get the stable ipkg back to the machine? |
| 19:46.42 | pasky | (which is one of the two packages upgraded to testing before i killed it |
| 19:49.00 | digitalnick | not getting kismet working is driving me nutty |
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| 19:56.09 | nianderson | anyone have any ideas getting kismet to work with my socket low power cf card |
| 19:58.35 | Twiun | pasky: as far as I'm aware, those additional feeds are not intended to be mixed with stable |
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| 20:00.01 | pasky | Twiun: hmm.. is there a way to tell ipkg to use stable feed then? |
| 20:00.37 | nianderson | pasky: i doubt it |
| 20:01.07 | nianderson | since th eupgrade function probabbly just brings all versions of packages to the current version of a selected tree |
| 20:02.27 | nianderson | maybe if you remove the packages and deps from the package list before you upgrade |
| 20:02.43 | Twiun | ipkg is slated for a complete reengineering effort as it blows chunks |
| 20:03.04 | nianderson | switch to emerge ;) |
| 20:03.10 | nianderson | portage on the z |
| 20:03.12 | nianderson | heh |
| 20:03.15 | Twiun | and build from source on the Z? |
| 20:03.22 | Twiun | I don't have that much battery power :) |
| 20:03.33 | nianderson | you can use packages |
| 20:03.55 | Twiun | what does portage use? python? |
| 20:04.01 | nianderson | yeh |
| 20:04.10 | Twiun | hmmm, a wee bit too big methinks |
| 20:04.14 | nianderson | heh |
| 20:04.16 | nianderson | yeh |
| 20:04.19 | nianderson | just a lil |
| 20:04.21 | Twiun | we need something small, very small |
| 20:04.24 | cleverdra | twiun - battery power? I don't follow. |
| 20:04.57 | Twiun | cleverdra: I was referring to compiling packages from source... the Z is week compared to a desktop PC and even that takes hours to compile things |
| 20:05.03 | cleverdra | also, I would welcome - some *flexibility* in the GUI apps would be nice. |
| 20:05.05 | Twiun | s/week/weak/ |
| 20:05.14 | Twiun | cleverdra: what do you mean? |
| 20:05.43 | nianderson | id welcome just being able to get kismet running |
| 20:05.44 | nianderson | :P |
| 20:05.46 | pasky | hum |
| 20:05.54 | pasky | so i guess i'm just screwed |
| 20:06.02 | Twiun | nianderson: have a go at the kismet maintainer then :) |
| 20:06.09 | pasky | root@choo-choo:~# ipkg -d local install opie-mediaplayer2 |
| 20:06.10 | pasky | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for opie-mediaplayer2: |
| 20:06.10 | pasky | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:06.10 | pasky | root@choo-choo:~# ipkg -d root install libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 |
| 20:06.10 | pasky | Cannot find package libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2. |
| 20:06.18 | Twiun | nianderson: his name/email address should be in the control file for the package |
| 20:06.20 | cleverdra | twuin - not too weak -- it's more powerful than some computers that I used for years. |
| 20:06.31 | nianderson | yeh |
| 20:06.46 | nianderson | ive seen stuff on google that people have had it running |
| 20:06.57 | pasky | :( |
| 20:06.58 | nianderson | so i dunno why im havin such issues |
| 20:06.59 | Twiun | pasky: that's a broken dependency - hassle the feed maintainer, no packages should require stdc++ |
| 20:07.00 | cleverdra | twuin - also, a program written in python is immediately flexible due to the ease of altering the program. |
| 20:07.06 | pasky | Twiun: hmm |
| 20:07.23 | pasky | Twiun: i think i should do compelte upgrade to testnig if i want stable mediaplayer, right/ |
| 20:07.30 | Twiun | pasky: it's caused by a buggy setup of his build environment |
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| 20:07.54 | Twiun | pasky: no idea about mediaplayer I'm afraid |
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| 20:08.11 | cleverdra | sigh, silly opie-irc. |
| 20:08.22 | Twiun | cleverdra: could you be a little more precise about flexibility? there are different types for software :) |
| 20:09.00 | cleverdra | another program that could use implementation in a language like python. Writing network clients in static languages ought to be a crime. |
| 20:09.28 | Twiun | cleverdra: when I have only 16mb to play with, eating 2mb+ with python would get me lynched |
| 20:10.01 | Twiun | cleverdra: but you were speaking of flexibility in the GUIs |
| 20:10.11 | cleverdra | twiun - if I want to change a program, I can do this more easily if the program were compiled on-the-fly than if I only had binaries -- or even if compiling from source were time-consuming |
| 20:10.24 | cleverdra | twuin - no. in GUI programs. |
| 20:10.34 | Twiun | as in? |
| 20:10.51 | cleverdra | twuin - asking for simple configurability seems to be a lost cause. |
| 20:11.07 | pasky | so |
| 20:11.11 | pasky | is there any way |
| 20:11.19 | pasky | to get ipkg from testnig back to stable/ |
| 20:11.32 | pasky | oh noooo |
| 20:11.33 | pasky | ERROR: Package opie-mediaplayer2 (parent opie-mediaplayer2) is not available from any configured src. |
| 20:11.34 | pasky | Failed to download opie-mediaplayer2. Perhaps you need to run 'ipkg update'? |
| 20:11.35 | Twiun | cleverdra: unfortunately, adding that additional configurability is up to the application developers, not to the OZ maintainers :( |
| 20:11.37 | cleverdra | twiun - as in programs that present a GUI to the user. Such as tximage, opie-irc, konsole. Am I being unclear? |
| 20:12.27 | Twiun | cleverdra: the best thing to do to request such additions is to use the opie mantis bug tracking system and talk to the opie developers on their mailing list |
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| 20:13.08 | cleverdra | twiun - you seem to be interpreting my statements in unexpected ways. |
| 20:13.25 | Twiun | cleverdra: my apologies, english isn't my first language |
| 20:13.39 | cleverdra | twiun - what is? |
| 20:13.58 | Twiun | cleverdra: french |
| 20:14.06 | cleverdra | twiun - it might also be the context in which I started speaking. |
| 20:14.35 | cleverdra | twiun - ah. Do you have support for french text on your Z? |
| 20:14.37 | Twiun | cleverdra: I'm happy to keep at it until we both speak on the same wavelength ;) |
| 20:14.50 | Twiun | cleverdra: none at all - I've been in the UK for 15 years |
| 20:15.47 | cleverdra | oh well. I'm still trying to get comfortable chinese support. |
| 20:16.50 | Twiun | afaik, one of the main reasons for poor internationalisation is the lack of developers from other backgrounds |
| 20:17.07 | Twiun | most I've seen so far are from quite a narrow list of countries |
| 20:17.16 | Twiun | US/UK/FR/DE |
| 20:17.28 | Twiun | and the occasional visitor from JP |
| 20:20.36 | cleverdra | speaking of loopback devices... where can I find a non-broken busybox? |
| 20:21.26 | Twiun | the latest 1.00 version seems ok |
| 20:21.30 | Twiun | busybox.net |
| 20:22.18 | cleverdra | OK, thanks. |
| 20:25.34 | Twiun | what model Z do you have? |
| 20:26.14 | cleverdra | SL-5500 |
| 20:26.20 | cleverdra | why? |
| 20:26.59 | George- | Twiun: froggy! |
| 20:27.02 | Twiun | there's a very alpha image which showcases some of the opie 1.0 stuff |
| 20:27.05 | Twiun | George-: get lost |
| 20:27.10 | George- | Twiun: thanks ;) |
| 20:27.18 | Twiun | George-: my pleasure |
| 20:27.37 | George- | Twiun: FROGGY! |
| 20:27.56 | cleverdra | the opie 1.0 stuff? also, where is the image? |
| 20:28.02 | Twiun | looking for it now |
| 20:28.02 | George- | Twiun: hehe |
| 20:29.03 | Twiun | cleverdra: I believe this the right one http://opie.net.wox.org/openzaurus/oz-snapshot-030814-1819/ |
| 20:29.24 | Twiun | cleverdra: insert usual disclaimers about alpha quality software |
| 20:30.34 | cleverdra | thanks, I'll try it out. |
| 20:30.50 | cleverdra | why do you think that I'd be interested? |
| 20:31.18 | Twiun | because some of the updates to applications which are in there most likely wouldn't make it into the stable oz feed yet |
| 20:31.40 | Twiun | and they may address some issues |
| 20:31.56 | Twiun | if not, the opie team are capturing feature/enhancement requests atm |
| 20:31.57 | cleverdra | OK. |
| 20:39.55 | George- | HCl: I AM H2SO4 AND I AM STRONGER THAN YOU! |
| 20:40.07 | *** join/#openzaurus Zippo_ (~thomas@p508C2FE8.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:40.20 | HCl | George-: so you are |
| 20:40.25 | HCl | whats your point? |
| 20:40.29 | George- | HCl: DIE!!! |
| 20:40.39 | HCl | i will, but in time. |
| 20:40.47 | George- | ... |
| 20:40.48 | George- | anyway |
| 20:40.52 | HCl | hehehe |
| 20:41.05 | *** topic/#openzaurus by George- -> OpenZaurus User support channel. See #openembedded for developer questions. Latest 2.4.21/opie 1.0 testing image at but it http://www.tjhsst.edu/~agupta/zaurus/collie/. TS works, and is mostly usable, but keyboard is flaky and sdmmc is nonexistant. | 2.4.18 at http://openzaurus.org/unofficial/experimental/collie/2.4.18-rmk7-np2-embedix/ - SD not working until I can be bothered to fix it |
| 20:41.50 | HCl | i tried the 2.4.18 on my 5500g |
| 20:41.57 | HCl | it hanged after a few seconds of booting |
| 20:42.36 | George- | HCl: nifty |
| 20:42.43 | George- | HCl: any more useless info? |
| 20:42.51 | HCl | sure |
| 20:42.53 | HCl | the world is round |
| 20:42.56 | HCl | and you're human |
| 20:43.09 | HCl | want more? :) |
| 20:43.56 | Solar[X] | When can you be bothered?? |
| 20:44.11 | Twiun | Solar[X]: send him a keg of whisky |
| 20:44.24 | Solar[X] | Hm it'd be easier to send him the money for one. |
| 20:44.40 | George- | Solar[X]: ? |
| 20:44.48 | Solar[X] | I have some stuff no one on ebay wants to buy though, I can send that :) |
| 20:44.55 | George- | hahaha |
| 20:44.56 | Solar[X] | " SD not working until I can be bothered to fix it" |
| 20:45.11 | George- | Yes, that'd be me |
| 20:45.18 | George- | in my unofficial 2.4.18 build |
| 20:45.37 | George- | go sort it yourself.... it's only missing the sd_mmc_m.o from the modules tarball cause I forgot to put it there |
| 20:45.47 | George- | And I really can't be bothered to sort it |
| 20:46.04 | Solar[X] | Why, is it that much of a hassle? |
| 20:46.13 | Solar[X] | Hm I need to learn how to build distros. |
| 20:46.26 | Solar[X] | I might get into LFS, maybe I can help doing some Z devving. |
| 20:46.39 | George- | Solar[X]: no hassle, just pure laziness |
| 20:47.05 | Solar[X] | Get on your feet! After all we are payi... uh.. never mind. |
| 20:47.34 | cleverdra | george - where's the modules tarball that has that module? |
| 20:47.43 | George- | cleverdra: you have to rip it from the sharp ROM |
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| 20:48.15 | George- | meaning either a) you flash the Sharp ROM on, or b) you mount the initrd.bin on a spare linux box with cramfs support |
| 20:48.52 | Solar[X] | Let me guess... cramfs isn't standard? |
| 20:49.02 | cleverdra | does (b) imply that I extract the initrd.bin from an OSPACK? |
| 20:49.03 | George- | cramfs is a filesystem |
| 20:49.08 | George- | cleverdra: yes |
| 20:49.12 | cleverdra | solar - hm? |
| 20:49.30 | George- | cramfs support is installed by default on SuSE's distro, dunno about others (haven't tested) |
| 20:49.54 | cleverdra | george - I think I'll just stick the module on an SD card before flashing -- or maybe on a CF card. |
| 20:50.06 | George- | uh |
| 20:50.09 | George- | ? |
| 20:50.14 | Solar[X] | Hm well Slackware has it too, cool. |
| 20:50.20 | George- | cleverdra: what are you talking about? |
| 20:50.46 | Solar[X] | Heh, putting it on an SD card wouldn't be of much use... I know a story about a chicken and an egg. |
| 20:50.55 | cleverdra | george - flashing a ROM, I suppose. |
| 20:51.11 | George- | cleverdra: OK, I'm confused as to what the hell you're trying to do |
| 20:51.32 | cleverdra | solar - I've two Z's -- they could have a little IR chat. hum... speaking of which... |
| 20:51.40 | Solar[X] | Ohh ok |
| 20:52.04 | cleverdra | george - I'd like to flash a newer ROM without losing SD functionality. |
| 20:52.14 | George- | cleverdra: and what's that got to do with me? |
| 20:52.20 | George- | cleverdra: I don't offer any ROMs. |
| 20:52.42 | cleverdra | how can I set up a IR-based ethernet? |
| 20:53.00 | cleverdra | george - OK. I thought you were. |
| 20:53.24 | Twiun | PPP over the IR serial link iirc |
| 20:53.36 | Twiun | treating IR like a common serial device |
| 20:53.44 | George- | cleverdra: I offer a 2.4.18 collie build for the OpenZaurus ROM |
| 20:55.00 | cleverdra | You should offer a 2.6 collie build -- and a ROM. |
| 20:55.13 | George- | and WHY should I do that? |
| 20:56.00 | cleverdra | presumably the 2.6 kernel would be better in many ways. Also, why not? why 2.4.18 and not 2.4.21? |
| 20:56.31 | George- | because SD is non-existant in 2.4.21 |
| 20:56.57 | George- | pretty bloody obviously. |
| 20:57.10 | cleverdra | how odd. |
| 20:57.19 | George- | what do you mean "odd"? |
| 20:57.51 | pasky | 2.6 would also be even bigger |
| 20:58.11 | cleverdra | it certainly seems peculiar that a basic feature like media access would tie you to an older kernel. |
| 20:58.19 | George- | cleverdra: uh |
| 20:58.25 | cleverdra | pasky - that's an absurd notion. |
| 20:58.26 | George- | cleverdra: do you know NOTHING about SD? |
| 20:58.36 | George- | It's fucking DMCA-area |
| 20:58.43 | George- | the driver is closed-fucking-source |
| 20:59.01 | pb_ | George-: do you know NOTHING about SD? |
| 20:59.08 | pb_ | there is an open source driver in handhelds.org tree. |
| 20:59.16 | George- | pb_: it doesn't work on the Zaurus at the moment. |
| 20:59.22 | cleverdra | pasky - a) size is very compilation-dependent, b) 2.6 actually has support for special builds for embedded devices. |
| 20:59.22 | pb_ | so port it. |
| 20:59.28 | George- | pb_: no thanks, I don't know C |
| 20:59.38 | cleverdra | george - why won' t it work? |
| 20:59.59 | George- | cleverdra: it hasn't been made to work with the Zaurus, I don't know the details, all I know is it doesn't work as of yet |
| 21:00.28 | pasky | cleverdra: so you calim that same configuration will lead to same(or smaller) size in 2.6 compared to 2.4 ? |
| 21:00.48 | cleverdra | pasky - no. |
| 21:01.12 | George- | pb_: but at the moment anyway, SD on the Zaurus is closed source and protected by the DMCA |
| 21:02.15 | cleverdra | which is really wierd, in itself. |
| 21:05.13 | pasky | where could i find some further information about odict? |
| 21:05.21 | pasky | like format of the dictionary files it wants etc |
| 21:05.40 | Harlekin | kdict |
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| 21:06.59 | George- | pb_: what changes would need to be done to the hh.org driver to make it work on the Zaurus? |
| 21:07.57 | pasky | Harlekin: so it needs a server, can't operate locally? |
| 21:08.35 | Harlekin | no |
| 21:08.38 | Harlekin | there are files too |
| 21:08.40 | Harlekin | afaik |
| 21:08.49 | pasky | hum, any info how to configure them/ |
| 21:09.32 | Harlekin | ask carsten when he is online |
| 21:09.36 | Harlekin | or mail him |
| 21:09.38 | George- | hrmm, a big fat tabletop fan works wonders with cooling a powerbook down :) |
| 21:09.53 | pasky | Harlekin: thanks |
| 21:14.47 | nianderson | someone have a link to documentation on ipkg |
| 21:15.20 | pb_ | George-: just needs low-level code written for the zaurus chip. |
| 21:15.30 | pb_ | ie replacement for the code in h3800_asic_mmc.c |
| 21:19.41 | cleverdra | hey, the new ROM is nifty. |
| 21:20.15 | George- | pb_: heh, that's way out of my line |
| 21:22.38 | Twiun | cleverdra: go on, sing your praises :) |
| 21:22.49 | Twiun | cleverdra: and your dislikes ;) |
| 21:25.22 | cleverdra | twiun - I was surprised by the new behavior of thr irda applet, and when opie first came up the battery applet was partially hidden by the clock, but both are OK. |
| 21:25.32 | George- | what new ROM/ |
| 21:25.33 | George- | ? |
| 21:25.51 | Twiun | cleverdra: yeah, the battery applet eventually shows up - the bugs in mantis afaik |
| 21:27.25 | cleverdra | and mknod works =) |
| 21:28.24 | cleverdra | george - I don't have the url anymore, sorry. Why doesn't www.openzaurus.org point at it? |
| 21:28.43 | Twiun | because it's _very_ alpha and the image doesn't have a maintainer |
| 21:28.54 | Twiun | deem it to be 'unofficial' |
| 21:29.08 | cleverdra | that's OK with me :P |
| 21:29.38 | cleverdra | colors in the konsole break if you cancel a 'custom' color setting. |
| 21:29.57 | Twiun | definately report it ;) |
| 21:30.16 | cleverdra | how? |
| 21:31.42 | Twiun | cleverdra: through the opie bugtracking system http://www.opie.info/mantis |
| 21:32.53 | cleverdra | OK. |
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| 21:37.13 | George- | cleverdra: opie.net.wox.org? |
| 21:37.26 | cleverdra | george - yes. |
| 21:37.41 | George- | cleverdra: oh right, I've used those builds for ages |
| 21:38.07 | cleverdra | I've never known about them. |
| 21:40.16 | cleverdra | oh, the new rom does't come with libssl. |
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| 21:40.46 | cleverdra | or rather it does. |
| 21:41.16 | craig_ | does anyone get the CE-AG06 |
| 21:41.27 | craig_ | TO WORK WITH OPENZAURUS |
| 21:41.31 | craig_ | soory |
| 21:41.42 | Twiun | what is the CE-AG06? |
| 21:41.46 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 21:41.55 | craig_ | camera |
| 21:42.17 | Twiun | didn't I see a opie-camera thing in the buildroot the other day? |
| 21:42.29 | Harlekin | yeah |
| 21:42.33 | Harlekin | its for the sharp camera |
| 21:43.10 | craig_ | ummm i did install opie-camera but when i try to lanch it nothing happens |
| 21:43.38 | cleverdra | craig - try launching it from a shell, so you see its error. |
| 21:48.10 | craig_ | reinstalling now |
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