| 00:12.01 | hsink | hi W8TVI |
| 00:12.06 | hsink | how are things going? |
| 00:12.16 | W8TVI | hi |
| 00:12.16 | W8TVI | not good |
| 00:12.21 | W8TVI | my Zaurus is dead |
| 00:15.39 | W8TVI | :( |
| 00:16.09 | W8TVI | jpl.nasa.gov? |
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| 04:01.58 | Com[Plex] | whats new guys? |
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| 04:38.34 | Taekero | kergoth: any progress with poodle? |
| 05:08.20 | effy-kun | kergoth: any progress in getting this mess cleaned up? ;) |
| 05:10.38 | kergoth | mess? |
| 05:10.40 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:14.33 | effy-kun | :P |
| 05:14.52 | effy-kun | everytime I pay attention in here, someone, including you, is complaining about OZ heh |
| 05:16.11 | kergoth | people complain whether its working or not |
| 05:18.43 | Com[Plex] | hehe |
| 05:20.52 | effy-kun | kergoth: I'm still waiting to hear from you about more translation work ;) |
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| 05:32.08 | nianderson | anyone else have problems with kismet locking everything up? |
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| 12:27.01 | dheckaman | drats |
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| 12:33.00 | gordonjcp__ | hmmm |
| 12:33.56 | gordonjcp__ | I'm having problems with Openzaurus 3.2 just now - most of the time when I bring the Zaurus up I get a "please wait: booting" message, followed by a login prompt |
| 12:34.07 | gordonjcp__ | but I can't type anything in, just funny symbols |
| 12:34.32 | gordonjcp__ | any words of wisdom? |
| 12:35.31 | dheckaman | yea, theres a way |
| 12:35.48 | dheckaman | ooh, diferent provlwm |
| 12:35.51 | dheckaman | nm |
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| 12:38.32 | gordonjcp__ | ok, so is it supposed to do that? |
| 12:38.44 | gordonjcp__ | about one go in 20 will boot straight to Opie desktop |
| 12:42.45 | dheckaman | reflash and see if it did it? |
| 12:43.36 | gordonjcp__ | reflashed about 5 times yesterday |
| 12:43.41 | gordonjcp__ | with different kernel images, too |
| 12:43.48 | gordonjcp__ | currently 40/24-debug |
| 12:46.06 | dheckaman | hmmmm |
| 12:46.42 | gordonjcp__ | I'm tempted to reflash with the Sharp OS, but it says US models only |
| 12:47.06 | gordonjcp__ | what other models are there, and is that likely to do bad things on a UK 5500? |
| 12:48.56 | dheckaman | dunno |
| 12:49.01 | dheckaman | I guess it wouldnt |
| 12:49.12 | dheckaman | but dont blame me if it melts |
| 12:49.13 | dheckaman | :) |
| 12:50.12 | gordonjcp__ | hmmm |
| 12:50.23 | gordonjcp__ | when openzaurus is running it's really really crashy, too |
| 12:50.50 | gordonjcp__ | like, freezes solid and can only be reset with the reset all button |
| 12:51.02 | dheckaman | huh |
| 12:51.19 | dheckaman | ;) |
| 12:52.46 | gordonjcp__ | yeah |
| 12:53.23 | gordonjcp__ | I was running xmms on it - plays either an ogg or an mp3 for about 4 seconds then segfaults, sometimes with the message "bus error" |
| 12:53.32 | dheckaman | eek |
| 12:53.53 | gordonjcp__ | does that with several ogg files, haven't got any mp3s to try it with |
| 12:54.02 | gordonjcp__ | well, a couple of mp3s but they're all really short |
| 12:54.29 | dheckaman | hm |
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| 14:33.41 | redtoade-w | 1. what shell does oz use? |
| 14:34.30 | redtoade-w | 2. is there a .bash_profile/.bashrc equivalent for it? |
| 14:36.55 | yeiazel | install bash :) |
| 14:44.27 | nianderson | anyone else have problems with kismet crashing your z? |
| 14:45.19 | gordonjcp__ | I might if I could ever get it to boot |
| 14:53.33 | Fare | yeiazel: I didn't see you at the CCC |
| 14:53.38 | Fare | did you come? |
| 14:53.42 | yeiazel | no |
| 14:54.01 | yeiazel | why whould I have been there ? |
| 14:54.14 | yeiazel | i'm *that* well-known ? |
| 14:54.30 | Fare | dunno. I remember someone at the RMLL mentionning you'd come |
| 14:54.39 | Fare | maybe I got pointers mixed up |
| 14:54.47 | yeiazel | probably |
| 14:54.59 | yeiazel | I've been in berlin 1 or 2 weeks sooner |
| 14:55.00 | Fare | any corgi user around? |
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| 15:48.23 | redtoade-w | yeiazel: whoops, didn't see your response |
| 15:48.34 | redtoade-w | yeiazel: is there an ipk for opie/bash? |
| 15:48.56 | yeiazel | opie/bash ? |
| 15:48.58 | redtoade-w | er....oz/bash |
| 15:49.16 | yeiazel | sure |
| 15:49.22 | redtoade-w | k, cool |
| 15:49.23 | yeiazel | in the oz feed... |
| 15:49.27 | redtoade-w | I'll find it thanks |
| 15:49.38 | redtoade-w | yeiazel: what's the shell now? |
| 15:49.52 | yeiazel | maybe ash |
| 15:50.03 | yeiazel | do a "ps" :) |
| 15:50.19 | yeiazel | mmhhh, it will maybe say "sh" :) |
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| 16:10.26 | bobbyd | hi |
| 16:10.39 | bobbyd | has anyone done much sound programming under OZ ? |
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| 16:53.46 | redtoade-w | is the default oz shell contained in tinylogin.ipk? |
| 16:56.14 | Twiun | no, the shell is provided by busybox |
| 16:56.20 | Twiun | just like on the Sharp ROM |
| 16:56.33 | Twiun | tinylogin is a login app for Opie |
| 16:59.07 | redtoade-w | Twiun: thanks |
| 16:59.23 | Twiun | erm... scrap that |
| 16:59.33 | Twiun | for some reason I read opie-login... |
| 16:59.50 | Twiun | tiny-login is for interactive loging in at the command line |
| 17:00.00 | Twiun | but the stuff about the shell still holds :) |
| 17:02.44 | redtoade-w | hm |
| 17:02.53 | redtoade-w | ok, I'd like to install bash |
| 17:03.04 | redtoade-w | and I have a feeling I need to remove something before I can do that |
| 17:03.24 | Twiun | why? |
| 17:03.32 | redtoade-w | why install bash? |
| 17:03.45 | Twiun | ;) no, why uninstall anything else? |
| 17:04.03 | redtoade-w | I wasn't sure that bash wouldn't conflict with whatever is existing |
| 17:04.21 | Twiun | granted, it won't coexist too well with the symlink web that points to busybox |
| 17:04.32 | Twiun | it obviously depends on what you had bash in mind for |
| 17:07.56 | redtoade-w | "The ash shell lacks some features (for example, command-line histories)" |
| 17:07.59 | redtoade-w | that's all |
| 17:09.14 | W8TVI | it does too have command line history |
| 17:09.24 | W8TVI | press the up botton |
| 17:09.43 | redtoade-w | W8TVI: that was cut and paste, I didn't say that |
| 17:10.21 | redtoade-w | W8TVI: when you ssh in from the outside, can you actually see anything when you press the "up" key? |
| 17:10.29 | redtoade-w | cause on mine it goes invisible |
| 17:10.40 | W8TVI | yeah you can |
| 17:11.28 | Twiun | works for me |
| 17:11.54 | Twiun | has issues on mine if you ctrl-c'd the last command, but otherwise works |
| 17:12.47 | redtoade-w | ok, if someone can point me to a "man ash" page, I'll be content |
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| 17:13.45 | W8TVI | redtoade-w: google it |
| 17:13.47 | W8TVI | :P |
| 17:14.03 | kergoth_ | eh, its /bin/sh. it behaves like every other /bin/sh. |
| 17:14.43 | redtoade-w | kergoth: fine, then back to my original question... where to put .bashrc & .bash_profile |
| 17:14.51 | redtoade-w | is there an equivalent? |
| 17:15.07 | W8TVI | put it in your home dir |
| 17:15.15 | redtoade-w | and call it .bashrc? |
| 17:16.03 | W8TVI | you would be best off googling for info on how to edit you shell, and look for info on sh |
| 17:16.08 | W8TVI | its NOT bash |
| 17:17.05 | redtoade-w | W8TVI: I'm trying that... do you know how many things are called "ash" on the internet? |
| 17:17.43 | redtoade-w | (actually I tried all of that before I braced myself for the inevitable RTFM here) |
| 17:17.44 | W8TVI | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=ash+shell&btnG=Google+Search |
| 17:18.12 | redtoade-w | W8TVI: did that thanks |
| 17:18.28 | redtoade-w | you get a lot of "ash is a light weight BASH" |
| 17:18.33 | redtoade-w | but no FAQ and no man |
| 17:19.52 | redtoade-w | I'll read the man on just SH, and get back to you |
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| 17:23.29 | W8TVI | redtoade-w: http://lantech.geekvenue.net/chucktips/jason/chuck/1039988302/index_html |
| 17:23.55 | redtoade-w | W8TVI: thanks |
| 17:24.50 | redtoade-w | I'm betting I just need to tweak /etc/profile to get what I want. |
| 17:25.30 | redtoade-w | I should have just started there and figured out the scripts to begin with, but I figured it would be something a bit more standard |
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| 17:28.13 | nayr | where can i download the script to make a Package list for my own feed? |
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| 17:35.29 | ZaurusUser | where can I get the latest husky (760) images for OZ? |
| 17:37.42 | ZaurusUser | I would like to do some testing and might help with the devel. but I would like to at least try the latest image. Kergoth: do you have an official page for development or is OZ.org all? |
| 17:41.33 | ZaurusUser | yawn ^^^ |
| 17:47.22 | ZaurusUser | not to rude but are any of you even watching this channel? I really would like some direction but if not I might fork the project not because it needs to be but because the user support sucks. |
| 17:47.59 | kergoth | i have a fucking job, asshole. |
| 17:48.10 | kergoth | i'm doing what i get paid to do. |
| 17:48.15 | kergoth | which is not sit around babysitting. |
| 17:48.30 | ZaurusUser | same... but you could just type a link and I was not directing it to JUST you.. |
| 17:48.44 | kergoth | if nobody answers, nobody is here or nobody knows. |
| 17:48.46 | kergoth | deal with it. |
| 17:48.52 | kergoth | you get what you pay for. |
| 17:49.08 | kergoth | this is an open source project. if you arent paying for support, dont fucking expect that level of support. |
| 17:49.11 | kergoth | this is entirely volunteer work |
| 17:49.46 | kergoth | if you want to fork it, get off your ass and do it. i'd like to see you contributing 20 hours a week to the project the way i was. |
| 17:50.11 | ZaurusUser | I would contribute IF i had the info to help you... |
| 17:50.24 | ZaurusUser | that is all I am asking for |
| 17:50.25 | kergoth | uh |
| 17:50.26 | kergoth | openzaurus.org |
| 17:50.27 | kergoth | FAQ |
| 17:50.28 | kergoth | search |
| 17:50.29 | kergoth | SOURCZE |
| 17:50.32 | kergoth | source |
| 17:50.32 | nayr | heh |
| 17:50.34 | kergoth | download sourcde |
| 17:50.37 | kergoth | read the fucking sourcde. |
| 17:50.44 | kergoth | gosh, thats difficult isnt it? |
| 17:50.45 | nayr | u tell him kergoth |
| 17:50.48 | ZaurusUser | thanks... I will not bug you anymore |
| 17:50.55 | kergoth | i mean, using the faq database which exists solely to support the users. |
| 17:50.57 | kergoth | what a fucking concept. |
| 17:51.31 | ZaurusUser | I looked with the faq search it did not point me towards that... but sorry |
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| 17:51.39 | kergoth | fucking idiots. |
| 17:51.43 | redtoade-w | ZaurusUser: kergoth is an example of why Linux is failing on the desktop, but he's all we have |
| 17:51.49 | redtoade-w | kergoth: you need ot lighten up |
| 17:51.58 | redtoade-w | kergoth: you do an excellent job dude |
| 17:52.05 | redtoade-w | kergoth: but you're scaring off people |
| 17:52.09 | nayr | heh |
| 17:52.10 | kergoth | redtoade-w: when someone comes in bitching about a project i do in my spare time, they can go fuck themselves. |
| 17:52.11 | nayr | well |
| 17:52.15 | nayr | kergoth has every right |
| 17:52.22 | redtoade-w | kergoth: no, they're users |
| 17:52.23 | nayr | people cant just come in here and demand someone to respond to em |
| 17:52.27 | nayr | i mean shit, its fuckin IRC |
| 17:52.31 | kergoth | exactly. |
| 17:52.34 | redtoade-w | but they don't know that |
| 17:52.37 | George- | kergoth: OpenZaurus SUCKS!!!! |
| 17:52.40 | kergoth | and thats my problem? |
| 17:52.42 | redtoade-w | they're typically windows users |
| 17:52.56 | kergoth | they obviously lack common courtesy |
| 17:53.00 | kergoth | you dont walk in and start making demands. |
| 17:53.10 | redtoade-w | kergoth: they're just ignorant, I'd have just ignored him |
| 17:53.14 | redtoade-w | but you're venting |
| 17:53.32 | kergoth | yes, i am. this is what we call negative reinforcement. |
| 17:53.36 | kergoth | perhaps you've heard of it? |
| 17:53.39 | redtoade-w | kergoth: it doesn't work |
| 17:53.45 | redtoade-w | kergoth: what do you need? |
| 17:53.47 | kergoth | and? |
| 17:53.58 | George- | Go kergoth go!!! |
| 17:55.01 | kergoth | if someone comes in lacking even a slightest amount of courtesy, i see no reason to treat them with any. |
| 17:55.06 | redtoade-w | sigh |
| 17:55.12 | redtoade-w | kergoth: if you need help ask for it |
| 17:55.18 | redtoade-w | but don't let it get to you |
| 17:55.21 | kergoth | huh? |
| 17:55.23 | George- | kergoth: make him fork it!! :) |
| 17:56.05 | kergoth | George-: he's welcome to. thats one of the advantages of open source. no doubt he'll be the only one using his fork, but thats the way it works. |
| 17:56.24 | George- | kergoth: heh, we could all go into #Openzaurus-lame-fork and bug him with support questions :D |
| 17:56.42 | George- | like, typing in all CAPS and asking stuff documented in FAQs :) |
| 17:56.43 | kergoth | George-: yeah, really basic ones that are already documented |
| 17:56.59 | George- | anyway |
| 17:57.00 | George- | AFK |
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| 18:04.49 | bisho | This code [ the leaked supousedly copied into linux code from SCO ] is from sys/sys/malloc.c in V7 Unix. It has been widely published; among other things, it can be found in Lion's Commentary on Unix (if you can get a copy). It featured in this 1984 Usenet posting. And, crucially, it has been circulated with the V7 Unix source, which was released by Caldera (now the SCO Group) under the BSD license. SCO would like the world to for |
| 18:04.49 | bisho | get about that release now, but the Wayback Machine remembers. |
| 18:05.14 | bisho | Have you read this: http://lwn.net/Articles/45019/ ?? |
| 18:06.00 | nayr | where can i download the script to make a Package list for my own feed? |
| 18:19.10 | W8TVI | The channel [#Openzaurus-lame-fork] is now registered under your nickname. |
| 18:19.16 | W8TVI | heh |
| 18:19.30 | W8TVI | I need to fork my own and call it lame-fork! |
| 18:19.31 | W8TVI | heh |
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| 18:38.17 | redtoade-w | so what init level loads opie? 2? |
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| 18:56.22 | kyngel | Ahh... so THAT'S why my inbox was flooded this morning. *points to /.* |
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| 19:00.07 | Bernardo | hi |
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| 19:04.05 | Bernardo | anyone can help me with hotplug and the latest snapshot? |
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| 19:12.28 | Bernardo | I have the same problem that Dave Leifer posted in http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=5684745 |
| 19:13.03 | Bernardo | but I also found that doing a hotplug start gives the message "grep: /proc/hal/model: No such file or directory" |
| 19:13.44 | redtoade-w | weird |
| 19:14.22 | redtoade-w | Bernardo: nope, sorry... what version oz are you running? |
| 19:14.33 | redtoade-w | (finally got opie 1.0 running) |
| 19:14.35 | Bernardo | the 030814 snapshot |
| 19:15.16 | Bernardo | opie runs, most stuff works (not jeode, though), but hotplug seems to be broken |
| 19:16.02 | kergoth | echo sa1100_bi >> /etc/modules; /etc/init.d/modutils restart; |
| 19:16.15 | kergoth | then remove from usb and plug back in |
| 19:17.23 | Bernardo | kergoth: ok, will try. But I needed to explicitely do a modprobe -r sa1100_bi; modprobe sa1100_bi for it to work after removing from the cradle and putting it back |
| 19:17.53 | redtoade-w | Bernardo: there aren't any files in the /etc/hotplug dir for that snapshot? |
| 19:18.06 | Bernardo | kergoth: it is already in /etc/modules |
| 19:18.08 | George- | back |
| 19:18.10 | kergoth | shouldnt have to do that as long as usbdmonitor and sa1100_bi are loaded. |
| 19:18.14 | kergoth | no idea then. |
| 19:18.24 | Bernardo | redtoade-w: yes, but no usb* files there |
| 19:18.30 | George- | kergoth: ZaurusUser not come back yet? :D |
| 19:18.31 | redtoade-w | Bernardo: (according to that mailing list you refered to) |
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| 19:19.16 | Bernardo | kergoth: both are loaded, but I get on the pc side "Usb device not accepting new adress x (error 110)" when I remove the plug the z again |
| 19:20.20 | Bernardo | redtoade-w: I have there blacklist, hotplug.functions, mmc.agent, net.agent, sleeve.agent, sleeve.rc |
| 19:21.19 | redtoade-w | Bernardo: I have no idea how it loads without the typical hotplug "ifup" scripts |
| 19:22.17 | redtoade-w | there's 2 files in my hotplug dir that grep usbd0 |
| 19:22.34 | redtoade-w | (3 actually) |
| 19:22.53 | Bernardo | none of these fi |
| 19:22.53 | redtoade-w | usbd.func seems to be the main one |
| 19:23.06 | Bernardo | none of these six has it |
| 19:23.10 | redtoade-w | k |
| 19:26.51 | redtoade-w | Bernardo: do you have an executable usbdnet in your /etc/hotplug? |
| 19:27.25 | Bernardo | no |
| 19:27.40 | Bernardo | just a executable net.agent... let me check that one |
| 19:27.42 | redtoade-w | how about a usbd.agent? |
| 19:29.07 | Bernardo | No, just those six |
| 19:29.22 | redtoade-w | ok |
| 19:29.53 | redtoade-w | I'm rusty on my USB Linux stuff... but I think it's supposed to run all of the executable scripts in the /etc/hotplug |
| 19:30.10 | redtoade-w | and my modprobes happen in /etc/hotplug/usbd.agent |
| 19:30.24 | Bernardo | At least it does that on my x86 machines |
| 19:30.28 | redtoade-w | ok |
| 19:30.33 | redtoade-w | so you need a script then... yes? |
| 19:31.00 | redtoade-w | you can just grep modprobe ./* and double check to see if it's done elsewhere |
| 19:31.57 | redtoade-w | or grep sa1100_bi ./* |
| 19:33.13 | Bernardo | I had already searched for sa1100, it isn't there. As for a modprobe, hotplug does it for the h3600 in sleeve.agent |
| 19:33.38 | redtoade-w | ok, so unless all of that is obsolete, you're missing the script I'd say |
| 19:33.45 | redtoade-w | yes/no? |
| 19:34.22 | Bernardo | It looks like that... It seems this snapshot misses the hotplug usb scripts. |
| 19:34.26 | Bernardo | brb |
| 19:34.56 | redtoade-w | :) |
| 19:39.30 | nayr | i need the script that generates a Package file from a directory of ipk's |
| 19:39.54 | nayr | i think it was a perl script |
| 19:45.07 | George- | kergoth: I did my first CVS commit in ages :D |
| 19:58.19 | nayr | kergoth, i think I got that ipk Package script from you, when eva ya got time could ya dcc it to me again |
| 19:58.38 | kergoth | the usbd hotplug scripts shouldnt be necessary. |
| 19:58.48 | kergoth | usbdmonitor loads all the modules |
| 19:58.58 | kergoth | except the hardware level one, which is sa1100_bi or pxa_bi |
| 19:59.06 | Bernardo | and that one is the problem |
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| 19:59.22 | kergoth | yes, i heard you say that hte first time. |
| 19:59.27 | kergoth | once again, it _shouldnt_ be necessary |
| 19:59.32 | kergoth | i didnt say it _wasnt_ necessary |
| 19:59.48 | Bernardo | :) |
| 20:02.20 | Bernardo | maybe the "bug" (if that is the case) in sa1100_bi has been solved in a later kernel? |
| 20:02.33 | kergoth | doubtful |
| 20:02.44 | kergoth | sa1100_bi is usbd, it was maintained by lineo |
| 20:02.54 | kergoth | now, others have worked on it, but .. |
| 20:03.03 | kergoth | still, it would be worth checking |
| 20:06.38 | Bernardo | well, I probably will... time to get the gcc for arm. It needs to be the one from the toolchain, or can I build one cross-compiling? |
| 20:07.04 | kergoth | .. the toolchain contains x86 binaries. |
| 20:07.09 | kergoth | they wont run on an arm device directly |
| 20:09.03 | Bernardo | I didn't make myself clear, what I was asking was if I can "roll my own", by building a gcc cross-compiler, as well as x86 binutils, or is it just simpler to use the toolchain? |
| 20:09.24 | kergoth | up to you |
| 20:09.28 | kergoth | buildroot can build you a toolchain |
| 20:09.36 | kergoth | or you can use one of the prebuilt ones that it built previously |
| 20:09.52 | kergoth | myself, i tend to prefer ones i built for some reason |
| 20:11.13 | Bernardo | :) I tend to prefer to build my own too - that is one of the reasons I use a source based dist. |
| 20:11.38 | kergoth | gentoo user then? |
| 20:11.57 | kergoth | following hte zynot stuff? |
| 20:12.04 | Bernardo | no, sourcemage developer |
| 20:12.19 | Bernardo | couldn't get gentoo to install |
| 20:12.27 | kergoth | ah |
| 20:12.29 | Bernardo | so went to sorcery, then to sourcemage |
| 20:13.30 | Bernardo | Bash I still understand (sometimes), so I try to help the other users contributing packages and maintaining a section |
| 20:14.07 | Bernardo | Now I got my zaurus (at last), I am trying to get cross-compile practical |
| 20:14.16 | kergoth | you'd probably find oz's buildroot interesting |
| 20:14.24 | kergoth | as well as the new build infrastructure we built |
| 20:14.55 | nayr | kergoth, whats the name of the script to make a dir of ipk's to a Package file? |
| 20:15.41 | kergoth | ipkg-make-index iirc |
| 20:15.49 | kergoth | its in the ipkg-utils cvs module on handhelds.org |
| 20:15.58 | kergoth | along with the other useful ipkg-related utils |
| 20:16.45 | nayr | thx lots |
| 20:18.44 | Bernardo | Where would you advice me to start? |
| 20:21.07 | Bernardo | Compiling the tools to do cross-compiles, or just using the existing tool-chain for now, and getting the kernel to build first? |
| 20:22.16 | kergoth | use buildroot regardless, it'll do the work for you. then read the makefiles to understand how it does the builds |
| 20:25.01 | dotPixel | Does anybody know which CF WLAN/WiFi card to get for my C750 ? |
| 20:25.54 | absentia | I have a linksys wcf12 for my 700, but it deoesn't seem to work.. others say that have managed to get it to work... I also have a dlink 660w .... and that seems to work just fine, again, for my 700 |
| 20:26.23 | dotPixel | D-link DCF-660W thats the one i'm considering getting |
| 20:26.57 | Bernardo | dotPixel: how much does that one cost? |
| 20:27.01 | dotPixel | Think it'll work with OZ when OZ works with C7x0 ? |
| 20:27.11 | Bernardo | kergoth: ok, thanks for all the help |
| 20:27.29 | absentia | my dlink 660w worked with sharp and oz... "out of the box" etc... |
| 20:28.20 | dotPixel | 802 Danish crones |
| 20:28.31 | dotPixel | thats 119 american dollars |
| 20:28.38 | dotPixel | :D |
| 20:28.52 | dotPixel | it'll work with an AirPort base station right ? |
| 20:29.03 | absentia | I think mine was between $79 and $119 .... can't remember. |
| 20:29.11 | absentia | I have an SMC station. |
| 20:29.36 | dotPixel | it'll work |
| 20:29.40 | dotPixel | (i hope) :D |
| 20:29.46 | dotPixel | Do you run with encryption ? |
| 20:29.53 | absentia | no wep. |
| 20:31.12 | Bernardo | dotPixel: about 110 euros, then... :) |
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| 20:31.35 | dotPixel | 107 euro |
| 20:31.50 | dotPixel | absentia, think it'll work with encryption |
| 20:31.52 | dotPixel | ? |
| 20:32.56 | absentia | yes |
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| 20:34.00 | Bernardo | dotPixel: any web site where I can order it? The price sounds ok (at least before postage) |
| 20:34.52 | dotPixel | I'm not sure they ship outside denmark |
| 20:34.57 | Bernardo | :( |
| 20:35.34 | dotPixel | m-e.dk |
| 20:38.26 | dotPixel | absentia, not i'll just have to wait for OZ to be compatiable with my C750 :D |
| 20:38.36 | dotPixel | So i can get rid of the last traces of japanese |
| 20:38.45 | yeiazel | dotPixel: you can build it :) |
| 20:39.11 | dotPixel | Doesn't that involve a lot of fiddling with code n' stuff |
| 20:39.13 | dotPixel | ? |
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| 20:54.55 | dotPixel | Is konqurer included in OZ ? |
| 20:56.27 | kergoth | define included |
| 20:56.35 | kergoth | its in the feeds, but normally isnt in the default images as shipped |
| 20:56.52 | dotPixel | then the answer is yes |
| 20:57.29 | dotPixel | the question should have been "does konqurer come default with OZ ? if it dosen't, is there an IPKG to make it really easy to install it." |
| 20:58.10 | kergoth | grab buildroot and have at it. |
| 20:58.39 | dotPixel | any tutorials or walktroughs anywhere ? |
| 20:58.57 | kergoth | briefly in the faqs |
| 20:59.03 | kergoth | but docs/* in buildroot is the best resource |
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| 20:59.23 | dotPixel | okay |
| 20:59.52 | dotPixel | And i'm guessing it's gonna be a while before we see images on OpenZaurus.org for the 7x0's ? |
| 21:00.41 | kergoth | depends on how busy i am |
| 21:01.29 | dotPixel | Anyway to motivate you :D ? |
| 21:01.51 | dotPixel | Nah, forget i said it |
| 21:02.01 | dotPixel | Its your freetime, should be fun for you, not a chore... :D |
| 21:02.37 | W8TVI_ | kergoth has only as long as it takes for me to save up enough money to get a c700 ;) |
| 21:02.59 | W8TVI_ | but that will be a while |
| 21:03.00 | dotPixel | lol |
| 21:06.28 | kergoth | dotPixel: precisely. Now that i'm employed doing embedded coding, i'm somehow less enthusiastic about going home and doing embedded coding. |
| 21:06.33 | kergoth | (and build work) |
| 21:06.34 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:06.58 | dotPixel | Are you the only one working on the project ? |
| 21:07.05 | kergoth | no, there are others |
| 21:07.18 | kergoth | but i manage releases and still do quite a bit of it |
| 21:07.23 | dotPixel | Just seems like your the driving force |
| 21:09.53 | kergoth | TI does have me work on the OE build infrastructure at times |
| 21:10.14 | kergoth | we need a better 'contribution' page thoguh |
| 21:10.33 | kergoth | outline what areas of code contribution we'd like, as well as paypal links, suggestions of hardware donation, etc |
| 21:10.37 | kergoth | patches welcome |
| 21:10.42 | kergoth | (our web site is open and in cvs) |
| 21:10.48 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:10.59 | dotPixel | hehe |
| 21:11.05 | dotPixel | a website in cvs |
| 21:11.08 | dotPixel | :D |
| 21:11.14 | kergoth | actually the most important web thing we need is |
| 21:11.19 | kergoth | a download page that has device selection |
| 21:11.25 | kergoth | since the next releases will support a number of them |
| 21:11.34 | dotPixel | can't be hard to make |
| 21:11.41 | kergoth | unfortunately our web guy is pretty busy doing actual contract work |
| 21:11.49 | kergoth | and i wont touch it with a 10 foot pole, since i despise web work |
| 21:12.06 | W8TVI_ | they should make an embedded linux PDA and put openzaurus on it |
| 21:12.07 | bipolar | How about selling CF cards that have the images on them for the device you have... heh |
| 21:12.14 | W8TVI_ | well, a version of it |
| 21:12.23 | kergoth | bipolar: thats been suggested before |
| 21:12.30 | kergoth | not a bad idea, except for handling the logistics |
| 21:12.30 | W8TVI_ | they should put OE on it |
| 21:12.40 | bipolar | kergoth: lots of work. |
| 21:12.43 | kergoth | bipolar: yep |
| 21:12.52 | dotPixel | kergoth, is there any serverside code involved in http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/content/download ?` |
| 21:13.10 | kergoth | dotPixel: the php code is in cvs |
| 21:13.14 | kergoth | its php/mysql |
| 21:13.32 | kergoth | and its hosted on sourceforge |
| 21:13.49 | dotPixel | okay |
| 21:15.57 | dotPixel | basicly you need like some dropdowns to select a .bin file depending on the users machine, right ? |
| 21:16.34 | dotPixel | liek [machine] [ram] [storage(?)] [debug/notdebug] |
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| 21:19.16 | kergoth | dotPixel: yeah, there are a number of options they can select |
| 21:19.32 | kergoth | dotPixel: optimally, we'll end up having opie/x/console image options as well |
| 21:23.40 | dotPixel | kergoth, but the gui should be some dropdownboxes whose values will be combined into a string (the image name) ? |
| 21:23.58 | kergoth | something like that. |
| 21:24.06 | kergoth | dunno about interface. set of dropdowns, wizard, whatever |
| 21:24.26 | dotPixel | sure you are |
| 21:24.35 | dotPixel | every developer is a UI guy, to some point |
| 21:24.56 | kergoth | I _do_ user interfaces |
| 21:25.00 | kergoth | i'm _not_ a ui guy |
| 21:25.09 | kergoth | i dont like doing uis, and i'm not good at them. |
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| 21:26.37 | dotPixel | what i was trying to say is that there is no such thing as not having a clue about UI. Every developer uses a GUI, and therefor has somekind of opinon about where controls go in a window for eksample |
| 21:26.46 | dotPixel | - bad spelling |
| 21:26.59 | kergoth | yeah, i know |
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