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03:07.11Jumpkick_ibot, wtf
03:07.11rumour has it, wtf is the point of playing music when you can write it?
03:08.14W8TVIibot root
03:08.14W8TVI: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
03:08.47W8TVIibot ir
03:08.48Program to control Chris Dodge's IR device via command line, email, web, or cron. URL: http://kramer.ne.mediaone.net/ir/
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04:41.12fdaskanyone seen this error from OZ buildroot before, or know how i might fix it?
04:41.12fdaskcat /home/jrw/buildroot-oz/build/opie/src/qt/qt-embedded.control | grep -v ^Depends \
04:41.13fdask<PROTECTED>
04:41.13fdaskcat: /home/jrw/buildroot-oz/build/opie/src/qt/qt-embedded.control: No such file or directory
04:41.32fdaski checked and there's no build/opie  dir at all
04:43.57fdaskhrmm
04:44.15fdaski think i might have missed the make image_menuconfig step
05:05.41pHluidWhat kernel is used in the snapshots from http://opie.net.wox.org/openzaurus/?
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06:42.03fdaskdo i have to manually cvs pull the OPIE src and stick it in the OZ buildroot?
06:43.27treke|homeno
06:48.42fdaskmy build finished with the kernel stuff, and when it started in on OPIE, i got errors about missing files and dirs
06:48.49fdaskie. no build/opie dir
07:02.30fdaskshould i have a build/opie dir?
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08:08.34stonageanyone know why samba isn't in the OZ feed anymore?
08:13.51prhraceme: the snapshots are not working
08:22.29racemeprh: I noticed that :)
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14:09.55CameronAnyone awake around here?
14:16.24GpFwell... yess ;]
14:16.47GpF4PM here
14:22.59Cameron:)
14:23.07Cameron10 AM here hehe
14:23.22CameronHungary -- no wonder!
14:23.49CameronGpF: Do you by chance have a Zaurus C700 series or know how I can get OpenZaurus to work on one?
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14:27.50Cameronhello, paq_
14:41.27Cameronthis really is so frustrating -- I have yet to get OpenZaurus working on my C700!  Should it really be this hard?  The http://www.openzaurus.org/official/experimental/corgi/ URL provides images, but no kernel zImage.bin, which is absolutely necessary :-/
14:41.46CameronSomeone must know how to help me from here?  I've been trying for days now
14:42.41GpFwell
14:43.04GpFI have just bought my c750, but I couldn't get a 128MB CFlash to dump the Sharp ROM ;(
14:43.16GpFI would reeeealy like to try OZ though...
14:43.33CameronGpF: if you were doing so, where would you go for the roms?
14:43.45GpFthe only thing I can promise that I will report back if you want ;]
14:43.59GpFunofficial
14:44.08Cameronok :)  I was just hoping you might have some suggestions for where to look for me now?
14:44.10GpFor try to build the kernel for myself
14:44.15Cameronor if there's something I'm doing terribly wrong?
14:44.28Cameronwhat do you mean "unofficial"
14:44.36GpFhttp://www.openzaurus.org/unofficial/experimental/
14:45.21Cameronif you notice, there is no Corgi there :(
14:45.34Camerononly collie, husky
14:45.51CameronGpF: You don't think a C750 image might work on a C700, do you?
14:46.12GpFdunno
14:46.18GpFtechnically it should
14:46.23Cameronreally?
14:46.33GpFbut don't take me authoritive on this, I'm a newb ;p
14:46.37Cameronisn't it a slightly different processor or something?
14:46.38Cameronhehe ok
14:46.41GpFthe CPU is almost the same
14:46.47GpFPXA250 vs PXA255
14:47.05GpFAFAIK the cache is modified and the RAM FSB
14:47.27GpFI don't know about more differences
14:47.33GpFbut that's only me
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14:49.15Cameronalright, GpF
14:49.21Cameronthen I'm going to try the Husky ROMS :-D
14:49.25Cameronhopefully it works?
14:49.34GpFdon't know :(
14:49.36Cameronor not husky rather, shepherd
14:49.59CameronGpF: Also one other thing: the zimage.bin on that site is with a lowercase 'i,' and I thought it had to be a capital?
14:50.13CameronYou know if that's an error and it should be 'I' or not?
14:50.30GpFthe documentation I have read says only a reeealy old updater.sh needs 'zimage'
14:50.39GpFall newer ones should be 'zImage.bin'
14:50.52Cameronthought so.  thanks!
14:51.05GpFbe carefull...
14:51.09GpFI'm not an expert
14:51.22CameronI wonder if it's case sensitive though?
14:51.31Cameronok :-D I'll keep that in mind ;-)
14:52.21GpFit is
14:52.27GpFas all the unices
14:52.44Cameronright, but strange since it's VFAT, which is not case sens. :)
14:53.09Cameronso I'm thinking that maybe it should RECOGNIZE a different case filesystem anyhow?
14:53.11GpFhmm...
14:53.15Cameronoh well, zImage.bin
14:53.19Cameron:-D
14:54.31GpFyou might want to check these out:
14:54.33GpFhttp://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/faq?id=9
14:54.56GpFhttp://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/faq?id=11
14:55.06GpFhttp://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/faq?id=33
14:55.20GpFhttp://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/faq?id=53
14:55.45GpFand especially this one:
14:55.47GpFhttp://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/faq?id=271
14:56.11Cameronyay
14:56.16Cameronthe shepherd rom magically worked
14:56.17GpFthe're short ones
14:56.24GpFreally?
14:56.27Cameronthanks for the FAQs, some interesting things to read
14:56.34Cameronyes, @ least the kernel messages are showing..
14:56.38Cameronwe'll see if it goes all the way
14:56.40GpFsweet ;]
14:57.01GpFI can't wait to get my hands on a 128MB CFlash to do that dumping
14:57.08Cameron:-D
14:57.14Cameronwoohoo :-D  this is better than I ever got before -- one time I got OZ installed, but the screen was all screwed up b/c I used a non-OZ kernel
14:57.42GpFyipeeee... work is over
14:57.47GpFit's 5pm
14:57.51Cameron:-D
14:57.53Camerongood for you
14:57.56GpFlol
14:58.07GpFI have to make a charger for my Z
14:58.24GpFIn Hungary we have 220V in the wall
14:58.25Cameroncareful!
14:58.28Cameroneek
14:59.04GpFgonna use an old IOmega Zip drive power adapter
14:59.30Cameron:-) same volt/amperage?
14:59.34GpFyup
14:59.37Cameronciik
14:59.38Cameroncoo
14:59.39Cameronl
14:59.41GpF5V/1A
15:00.28Cameronuh-oh @ bootup SIGSEGV
15:01.38GpFAFAIK the 5600 has a PXA250 CPU
15:01.45GpFtry the poodle kernel
15:02.01GpFmight help you out
15:02.24Cameronahah
15:02.27Cameronthanks, I will :)
15:02.33Cameronbut same initrd you think?
15:02.43GpFkeep the initrd
15:02.46GpFI guess
15:03.05Cameronok.  will try that, thx
15:03.09GpFmental note to myself: learn the zaurii codenames ;]
15:03.37GpFBTW where did it get the sigsegv?
15:06.57GpFwhew... last task to finish today
15:07.05GpF... done.
15:07.36Cameron@ the end of the installation
15:07.54Cameronbut then I cold rebooted it and it started up without saying that
15:08.02Cameronbut froze
15:08.15Cameronwhat I'm doing now is trying the same kernel with the initrd for the Corgi
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15:09.14||ughUg, any one know off hand the polarity of the power plug on the SL-5500?
15:09.55GpFsorry... I don't know
15:10.07GpFthe c750 has positive in the middle if that helps
15:10.26Cameronin Japan they must have 110V A/C, right?
15:10.33GpFyes
15:10.44Cameronmust be because of the U.S.'s post WW2 influence...
15:10.51||ughI would figure it's neg-out/pos-in but one never really knows with some folks.
15:10.54GpFthat's why I'm using the adapter for an IOmega
15:12.00GpFCameron : that one and I guess the Japanese ppl are quite smart and they knew that such a small country they live in (still bigger than Hu) they need to be 'compatible' with the best possible business partner
15:12.47CameronGpF: your English is very good
15:12.50Camerondo you have a British accent?
15:13.11GpFhmm... ppl say not really
15:13.21GpFI had American teachers
15:13.23Cameronok :)
15:13.29GpFwhy?
15:13.39CameronI was just wondering
15:13.42GpF;]
15:14.12Cameronno my C700 is taking a while doing its "Reconfiguring all packages installed to root..."
15:14.18Cameronlooks promising :-D
15:14.20GpF;]
15:14.28GpFthat's gonna work like charm
15:14.30CameronI'm happy b/c before I never got even a colored FB bootup screen
15:14.35Cameronhehehe
15:15.41GpF.
15:15.58Cameronhmm
15:16.12Cameronstarting Opie...
15:16.21Cameroneek
15:16.26Cameronkernel panic :-(((
15:16.32Cameronthat wasn't too fun
15:16.44GpFas for my english: I prefer English over Hungarian when it comes to Informatics and fils
15:16.49GpFfilms
15:17.02CameronInformatics?
15:17.12GpFComputers and Software
15:17.15Cameronok
15:17.29GpFI hate badly translated SW (^_^);
15:17.48GpFsame goes for film dubs
15:17.49Cameron:-)  what's to like about it?
15:18.18Camerondarn, I'm booting up again, but I'm afraid I'll get another kernel panic!
15:18.29GpFwell ;] stupid mistranslation that you can laugh at ;]
15:18.34Cameronif only kergoth`bbl could have just given us a darned kernel for the Corgi!!!
15:18.41Cameronyup, panic again :-/
15:19.14GpF:(
15:19.17Cameronwhat do you think I should try, GpF?  A Poodle kernel?
15:19.22Camerona Shepherd initrd?
15:19.45GpFhmm... what combination did you use this time?
15:20.02GpFI didn't follow you on this one
15:20.46CameronI used a Corgi (C700) initrd.bin
15:20.52Cameronand a Shepherd zImage.bin
15:21.27GpFtry the Poodle zImage.bin
15:21.43Cameronyup, going to do that right now
15:21.49CameronI'll let you know how it goes
15:22.25GpFagain just guessing from the Forum posts and FAQ's the C700 shouldn't be musch different from the 5600 base HW wise
15:22.49Cameronok
15:22.51Cameronhere goes :)
15:25.03GpFif you haven't read it already you might wana check this out: http://www.openembedded.org/phpwiki/index.php/OzTODO
15:25.12Camerondarn
15:25.19Cameronfreezes with the Poodle zImage.bin
15:26.13GpFwhere does it freeze up?
15:26.43GpFkernel boot or user space boot?
15:27.06Cameronprobably kernel boot
15:27.13Cameronbecause it still says "Rebooting the system..."
15:27.14GpF:(
15:27.18GpFoh
15:27.21Cameronthis has happened to me so many times
15:27.29CameronGpF: It does mean that the kernel is messed up, no?
15:27.35Cameronto the best of your knowledge
15:27.47GpFyes
15:28.02Cameronso I'd better try a different kernel...
15:29.13GpF...
15:29.39GpFthe best combination sofar was Shepherd zImage and Corgi initrd
15:29.59GpFthat SIGSEGV's somewhere during the package installation
15:30.05GpFam I right?
15:30.25Cameronwell, yes
15:30.40GpFhmm...
15:30.41Cameronthe full shepherd was similar actually
15:30.43Cameronactually no
15:30.47Cameronwait let me re-state
15:31.10Cameron1) Shepherd zImage & initrd: Kernel Panic while trying to start Opie
15:31.37Cameronno, no, sorry, I have it backwards, yeesh:
15:31.49Cameron1) Shepherd zImage & CORGI initrd: Kernel Panic while trying to start Opie
15:32.05Cameron2) Shepherd zImage & SHEPHERD initrd: SIGSEV around same time
15:32.11Cameronnot that it's so important the difference ;-)
15:32.25CameronGpF: so maybe shall I try a Husky kernel?
15:32.52GpFwell
15:32.56GpFI don't know
15:33.07GpFyou might want to try
15:33.14Cameronhehe neither do I, and that's the problem :)
15:33.20CameronI shall attempt it
15:33.23Cameronand see what happens
15:33.28GpFd@mn! I wish I knew more about these Zauriis!
15:34.58Cameronhehe
15:34.59Cameronyup
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15:36.12GpFthere ARE screenshots in the corgi directory dated lat April, thus it SHOULD work somehow
15:36.29CameronI know
15:36.33CameronI came to the same conclusion!!
15:36.44Cameronbut it looks like Kergoth for some reason removed the zImage.bin
15:36.46Cameronin that dir...
15:36.58Cameronso we're screwed unless he can get it back up there maybe?
15:36.59GpFyeah
15:37.08GpFthere is a possibility
15:37.21GpFBTw Kergoth seems to be an AMD fan ;]]]]
15:37.28GpFhttp://www.openzaurus.org/official/experimental/corgi/screenshots/sc_19.05.03_Wed_31_Dec_1969.png
15:37.34Cameronhehe
15:37.38GpFcheck out his Machine's name! ;]
15:39.00Cameronhehe yup, GpF
15:39.05Cameronan early-adopter :)
15:39.15Cameronbtw, the Husky kernel just totally stalls @ bootup
15:39.25GpF:(
15:39.26Cameronno error or anything -- just a cursor blinking eternal
15:39.27GpFwell
15:39.41Cameronyes?
15:39.42GpFthen I guess we don't have much more choices
15:39.53GpFgotta catch Kergoth
15:39.59Cameronyup
15:40.02CameronI /msged him
15:40.18Cameronone other thing though, GpF: the opie site seems to have ROMS for the C700 also
15:40.26Cameronbut the kernel hasn't worked for me so go figure!
15:40.51GpF...
15:40.54GpFhttp://www.openzaurus.org/official/experimental/shepherd/
15:41.01GpFthere are 3 zImages !!!
15:41.13GpFsorry... gotta go back to elementary
15:41.14GpF4
15:41.17Cameronok
15:41.22Cameronhehe
15:41.27Cameronquite alright :-D
15:41.32Cameronyou're right -- I forgot about those
15:41.41Cameronmaybe I should try one :)
15:41.49Cameronwhich looks most promising to you?
15:42.19GpFthe one with the long name
15:42.23GpFthat's the latest
15:42.31GpF(and hopefully the greatest)
15:43.06GpFI really need to find someone who knows a LOT about the HW differences between the different models
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15:44.11mulehi
15:44.39GpFhi ;)
15:44.56muleis there any way to get the oz root fs? so I can try port for 5600? :)
15:45.03Cameronyeah, GpF, you're not kidding!!
15:46.01GpFis it working?
15:46.17GpFmule : what do you mean? initrd.bin for the 5600?
15:46.52muleGpF: well just a tarball of the filesystem would be nice
15:47.26muleI am having trouble mounting the initrd from a loopback
15:47.42GpFwell
15:47.54CameronGpF: going to try it right now :)
15:48.20GpFmule: bitkeeper snapshot?
15:48.33GpFhttp://www.openzaurus.org/official/snapshot/buildroot-snapshot.tar.bz2  ???
15:48.47muleGpF: ok thanks I'll try there
15:48.59GpFyou're welcome ;] hope it'll help
15:49.05mulenice reliable website btw guys :D
15:49.10Cameronflashing...here goes...
15:49.14Cameron:)
15:49.26Cameronmule: ?
15:50.55Cameronok, it @ least partially boots...doing post install configuration stuff ok
15:51.18mulewell the website does pause a lot
15:51.34Cameronoh-- I hadn't really had any such problems
15:51.47Cameronwhere are you, mule?
15:52.01muleuk
15:52.33GpFwell it's slow for me too in .hu but that might be becoz' the firewall
15:53.07muleI wait 5 minutes for a page at times :) but it's cool, keep up the good work!
15:53.42muleoh and get a 5600 rom out! please?
15:55.17Cameronmule: it must be something about being in the UK because I've had very quick downloads with the site
15:55.26Cameronand a C700 ROM, honestly!
15:55.56GpFok guys.. I have to go home... I'm starved! ^_^;;
15:55.58Cameronmithro: I tried your ROMS, but the kernel didn't seem to work
15:56.07muleGpF: no, the buildroot is not the filesystem
15:56.09Cameronk, GpF: I ought to eat lunch too while you eat dinner :)
15:56.21GpFsomething like that
15:56.41GpFbye everyone... (might check back later in the evening)
15:57.47Cameronwait, GpF
15:57.49Cameronit worked I think
15:57.51Cameron!!!!
15:58.04CameronGpF: Opie crosshair calibration screen, woohoo!
15:58.33muleCameron: on c700?
15:58.36Cameronyes
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15:58.41muleway to go!
15:58.52Cameronyup, nice little screen
15:59.05mithroCameron: don't use my kernel :)
15:59.11mithrobrb
15:59.29mulemight oz work with the sharp kernel?
16:00.06Cameronlol, ok, mithro
16:00.14Cameronmule: nope, already tried it :-D
16:00.25muleon 5600?
16:00.41Camerondoubt it
16:00.52Cameronthere's a poodle kernel on the site, mule
16:00.53Camerontry it
16:02.56mulepoodle is 5600?
16:04.09CameronI believe so
16:04.15Cameronlook it up if  you're not sure
16:04.20Cameronwww.dictionary.com ;-)
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16:08.11muleno I just cant extract the filesystem from the rom
16:09.18Cameronah, ok
16:09.26Cameronyou don't want to flash then?
16:09.59mulewell I want to get the filesystem, change it for 5600 rebuild it and flash
16:10.32mule5600 rom is bigger so I can put more stuff in
16:10.43muleI think
16:12.36muleI just cant get the filesystem...it's stramge because I can for other roms
16:12.46Cameronwhy not just get the 5600 rom??
16:13.21mulethe sharp 5600 rom?
16:15.17Cameronno OZ 5600
16:15.24mulethere isnt one
16:16.13Cameronyes there is :)
16:16.18mulewhere??
16:16.36Cameronhttp://www.openzaurus.org/unofficial/experimental/poodle/
16:17.21muleok, so you rule :)
16:17.25Cameronlol
16:17.26mulethanks
16:17.33Cameronyou're welcome
16:20.23mulelets flash this baby up :)
16:22.06Camerongood luck to you
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16:28.15mulethanks
16:34.11mulehow can I get in touch with the rom team of poodle?
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17:11.53bachhi *
17:12.03bachis openzaurus still alive?
17:42.20ewormI can't use the soundcard and irda at the same time, both use irq 24.
17:42.34ewormIs there a workaround for that?
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20:12.31Jumpkick_ibot: you are insane in the membrane
20:12.32Jumpkick_: what are you talking about?
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21:17.41edddis the opie-bluetoothapplet for affix?
21:17.55treke|homeThink it's bluez
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21:18.48edddi have the modules loaded, but the interface does not come up
21:18.54edddor will not]
21:19.43edddany ideas?
21:19.49treke|homeno\
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21:46.57pHluidHrm. So I flashed with a 64/0 snapshot from opie.wox.net.org, and I ran out of internal storage in practically no time, even installed to SD. So I flashed with a 32/32 image
21:47.03pHluidAnd it's a 64/0 image. Heh.
21:48.59ZaurinoAny news about OZ working on 5600 ?
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23:09.41||ughibot, what is the polarity of the SL-5500 power connector?
23:09.42||ugh: I think you lost me on that one
23:12.26mule- -Co- +
23:14.06stiggertip positive
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23:26.13fdaskeverytime a 'make' is run in with buildroot, does it start from scratch?  
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23:40.00||ughThanks mule/stiggler, thats what I remembered but I am having some problems and so parinoia is allways best...

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