| 00:01.02 | pyromance | Time for me to get flashin' ;) |
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| 00:04.39 | pyromance | Hmm ... so zImage and initrd from 0814 and pcmcia-cs from Aug 09? |
| 00:05.22 | kergoth | yeah |
| 00:05.39 | pyromance | Rock ... flash in 10 .. 9 .. 8 .. 7 .. |
| 00:06.45 | pyromance | ooh pretty yellow and green lights |
| 00:08.32 | pyromance | The beauty of running 64/0 kernels is that there is always almost nothing to back up on the Z except fixing the Opera buttons and reloading my background and preferences |
| 00:10.38 | pyromance | There's the handsome pingizauru |
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| 00:14.17 | pyromance | LOL .. DOH! |
| 00:14.33 | pyromance | I removed the pcmcia services before copying the new ipk to the Z. |
| 00:16.33 | kergoth | hah |
| 00:17.27 | pyromance | Oh look ... the handsome pingizauru again ;) |
| 00:18.23 | pyromance | Building a ROM must be such a pain ... so much to remember |
| 00:19.33 | kergoth | there are definately a lot of components to worry about |
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| 00:19.38 | kergoth | and then theres how they all fit together |
| 00:20.10 | pyromance | I am building a linux distro for car media and set-top boxes. Trust me. I know. I am starting with Debian |
| 00:20.43 | kergoth | use buildroot |
| 00:20.44 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:21.20 | pyromance | Well first I am collecting a series of apps that will work |
| 00:21.43 | pyromance | Then PRAYING to get it to fit on a 256 CF card ... But if we add GPS support it'll need a hard drive for maps |
| 00:32.17 | pyromance | Hmm ... cardctl ident works, ifconfig shows no interface. I must've fubared it |
| 00:32.48 | kergoth | ifconfig -a shows no interface? |
| 00:32.55 | kergoth | is the module loaded? |
| 00:33.26 | pyromance | it shows lo0 and irda0 |
| 00:33.29 | pyromance | but no wlan |
| 00:33.32 | kergoth | odd |
| 00:33.45 | pyromance | Let me set up a getty |
| 00:39.06 | pyromance | damn it ... I want to kill opie and have it stay dead ;) |
| 00:42.05 | pyromance | # ipkg --force-overwrite install pcmcia-cs_3.ipk |
| 00:42.05 | pyromance | postinst script returned status 2 |
| 00:42.06 | pyromance | ERROR: pcmcia-cs.postinst returned |
| 00:59.38 | pyromance | you fixed the job control thing with getty :D |
| 01:06.28 | pyromance | # modprobe orinoco |
| 01:06.28 | pyromance | SIGSEGV |
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| 01:16.45 | pyromance | Grr... back to 3.w |
| 01:16.46 | pyromance | er |
| 01:16.48 | pyromance | 3.2 |
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| 04:22.58 | cyn | I meant to ask, whatever did happen to the c700 kernel image at http://www.openzaurus.org/official/experimental/corgi/ |
| 04:23.15 | kergoth | no idea |
| 04:26.08 | treke|home | it's still there... |
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| 04:54.32 | cyn | treke|home: no bzimage |
| 04:54.49 | kergoth | _b_zimage? |
| 04:54.51 | cyn | just initrd.bin, md5 for <-, and the updatescript |
| 04:54.52 | kergoth | i htink you mean zimage |
| 04:54.58 | cyn | right, kernel image :P |
| 04:55.09 | cyn | it's been a long night |
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| 15:06.29 | dedd_ | any mirrors for the oz feeds? |
| 15:07.19 | dedd_ | cause openzaurus.org is loading slow and sometimes not at all could be my isp |
| 15:09.43 | dedd_ | i manged to find it thanks =) |
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| 17:59.53 | pyromance | Hey... anyone else use tkcPlayer on OZ? |
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| 19:13.43 | *** topic/#openzaurus is OpenZaurus user discussion channel | developer discussion in #openembedded | http://openzaurus.org/ | Please, read the FAQs and search the mailing list archives before bothering the developers. |
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| 19:46.37 | pyromance | It's fun to nmap my Z from my linux box ... the wlan light is like a strobe |
| 19:46.53 | pyromance | What's port 4992 though? |
| 19:54.02 | pHluid- | ftp. |
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| 19:58.58 | pyromance | hmm |
| 19:59.19 | pyromance | I uploaded some screenshots to www.handhelds.org via screenshotapplet. You wouldn't happen to know where they went? |
| 20:00.23 | pHluid- | Never uploaded there before. |
| 20:00.31 | pyromance | Let me put them on my server |
| 20:00.37 | koyote | kergoth? |
| 20:01.52 | pyromance | http://pyromaniac.net/z/trix3.png |
| 20:02.19 | Zaurino | aha |
| 20:02.21 | Zaurino | dark |
| 20:02.33 | kergoth | hm? |
| 20:02.40 | kergoth | ibot: scap |
| 20:02.41 | | i guess scap is a CGI application to easily make screenshots from ibot's iPaq and have them posted on the Web. Refer to http://handhelds.org/scap/ |
| 20:02.43 | kergoth | pyromance: ^ |
| 20:02.46 | pyromance | It's hard to get enough contrast to get that to work properly |
| 20:02.50 | koyote | I have this thing I want to do... |
| 20:03.02 | koyote | I want to get oz on my 750 |
| 20:03.04 | pyromance | kergoth: you rule. Did I mention that lately? |
| 20:03.26 | bipolar | scap is uber cool. I think it's nelson's work |
| 20:03.33 | Zaurino | pyro whch device is that ? |
| 20:03.40 | pyromance | Zaurino: SL5500 |
| 20:03.48 | Zaurino | i have a 5600 |
| 20:04.09 | pyromance | If you want the background I made, you can have it |
| 20:04.11 | Zaurino | i want to run Oz but .. it doesn't run |
| 20:04.24 | pyromance | What happens post flash? |
| 20:04.29 | Zaurino | hm, no tnx, i'll do better :)) |
| 20:04.32 | koyote | I haven't even managed to get gcc on the 750 yet, let alone oz |
| 20:04.48 | kergoth | oz 750 experimental images are on openzaurus.org in unofficial/experimental |
| 20:04.50 | kergoth | shepherd |
| 20:05.09 | koyote | ah |
| 20:05.12 | kergoth | i'll upload current ones today for corgi, shepherd, husky, and poodle |
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| 20:05.50 | koyote | holler when. I'll work on getting backups and things organized to usb to the mac |
| 20:06.25 | koyote | if you want a tester... I'm not really doing much with the 750 until I have a stable full sytem (sharp's os is nice, but castrated) |
| 20:07.17 | koyote | I really need to hack the battery |
| 20:07.20 | pyromance | "They're blogging you, Neo." |
| 20:11.01 | pyromance | Damn it ... No one laughed. I found that last line damn hilarious. |
| 20:11.44 | koyote | heh. because I'm busy crashing calendar? |
| 20:11.58 | pyromance | Crashing calendar? What does the console say? |
| 20:15.06 | koyote | dunno yet |
| 20:15.10 | pyromance | Run it ;) |
| 20:15.19 | koyote | work is interfereing suddenly |
| 20:16.07 | pHluid- | Anybody know how to fix the Opera 6 IPK from the tkc.ROM applications pack to work on OZ? |
| 20:16.13 | pyromance | Yeah |
| 20:16.27 | pyromance | It runs with broken icons right? |
| 20:16.28 | koyote | hrm |
| 20:16.34 | koyote | now i need to back this thing up fully |
| 20:16.37 | pHluid- | pyromance: Yah. Symlinks all look fine though |
| 20:16.49 | pyromance | Hmm |
| 20:17.26 | pyromance | rm -rf /usr/share/opera ; ln -s /opt/QtPalmtop/opera/ /usr/share/opera |
| 20:17.42 | pHluid- | Allrighty. Uno momento por favor. |
| 20:17.46 | koyote | actually, that may be tough |
| 20:18.46 | pyromance | koyote: Hmm? |
| 20:19.05 | koyote | well, step one is to back up the current rom image |
| 20:20.37 | pyromance | Hehe. |
| 20:20.57 | pyromance | I am writing a series of shell scripts to fix everything I keep customizing when I reflash |
| 20:21.27 | pyromance | I tried OZ 3.3.3 yesterday... got SIGSEVs while modprobing the orinoco drivers. Decided to ignore it |
| 20:21.38 | kergoth | you need to backrev pcmcia-cs to fix that one |
| 20:21.41 | kergoth | according to mickeyl |
| 20:21.42 | pHluid- | Damnit |
| 20:21.44 | pHluid- | Stupid card writer |
| 20:22.11 | pyromance | kergoth: I tried that... remember the first time I forgot to copy the older file off when I removed pcmcia-cs ;) |
| 20:22.19 | pyromance | Maybe I just didn't install it properly |
| 20:22.30 | pHluid- | The only problem I've had with 3.3.3 so far is the opie-login rendering the keyboard unusable |
| 20:22.45 | pHluid- | And the whole if-you-try-to-sniff-it-boggles-the-wifi-connect |
| 20:22.54 | pHluid- | Both no big deal. |
| 20:25.02 | koyote | okay. now, how do i back up a flash image? (assuming I ever need it again) |
| 20:34.03 | Vig | is 3.3.3 actually up for download somewhere? |
| 20:34.42 | kergoth | eh? |
| 20:34.45 | kergoth | 3.3.3 isnt released. |
| 20:35.01 | Vig | that's what I figured, saw a reference to it above |
| 20:35.22 | pyromance | Vig: It's a snapshot ... testing |
| 20:35.26 | pHluid- | It's "available" |
| 20:35.29 | pHluid- | It's not "released" |
| 20:35.45 | Vig | ahh, probably similiar to what I downloaded yesterday and am currently mucking with |
| 20:36.08 | Vig | managed to get a kernel built, need to go read the rest of the docs now |
| 20:37.27 | koyote | I'm not finding anything |
| 20:37.51 | koyote | and I don't see any sources for ROM images for the 750, so I do appear to need to back up properly |
| 20:39.35 | koyote | oh, I found...soemthing |
| 20:42.13 | koyote | unfortunately, I don't read japanese very well |
| 20:44.15 | pyromance | I need to run a few errands today, shave the head, etc. Hmm ... Suppose I should start on that soon, huh? |
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| 20:57.38 | koyote | okay. I have foudn what may be 750 ROM images from sharp |
| 20:57.46 | koyote | at least, one can hope they are |
| 20:58.00 | koyote | and I have no data to back up |
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| 21:16.13 | pasky | hello.. i'm using opie-3.2 on openzaurus (Zaurus SL5500) and I've ubrowser installed, but it doesn't work at all - when I enter an URL there it does just nothing - network is up and running, I can ssh over the world or ping that host or so |
| 21:16.32 | pasky | any idea what could that be, please? |
| 21:17.17 | Vig | you can ping internet addresses on that machine? or just your local network? |
| 21:17.26 | pyromance | but it runs? |
| 21:20.40 | pasky | yes ubrowse is normally running and I can even type another URL there |
| 21:20.46 | pasky | Vig: internet addresses |
| 21:20.49 | Vig | ahh |
| 21:21.05 | pyromance | Have you tried Opera? |
| 21:21.57 | pasky | nope, I don't have Opera installed |
| 21:22.06 | pyromance | It's great... you should try it. |
| 21:22.19 | pyromance | Steal it from the tkcRom applications.tar.gz and install it |
| 21:22.27 | kergoth | ubrowser probably doesnt work |
| 21:22.30 | kergoth | thats not altogether surprising |
| 21:23.31 | pyromance | rm -rf /usr/share/opera ; ln -s /opt/QtPalmtop/opera/ /usr/share/opera |
| 21:23.37 | pyromance | That's how you fix opera buttons on OZ |
| 21:23.54 | kergoth | why doesnt somebody include that damn link in the ipk for gods sake |
| 21:24.12 | pyromance | kergoth: 'cause it works out of the box on tkcRom ;) |
| 21:24.12 | pasky | 'k I'll try it, thanks :) |
| 21:24.37 | kergoth | pyromance: yeah, because they have links all over teh fucking place in the base |
| 21:24.50 | kergoth | pyromance: my point is, doesnt that bug exist with teh ipks created by the operacreator as well? |
| 21:24.52 | pyromance | yeah... and no 64/0 distro ;) |
| 21:25.07 | pyromance | I don't know ... never got operacreator to work properly. |
| 21:25.20 | pyromance | I haven't had a factory ROM on this in months and months |
| 21:25.29 | kergoth | i've never used the creators |
| 21:25.30 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:28.34 | pyromance | crap ... cut the back of my head shaving. |
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| 21:30.21 | koyote | woohoo |
| 21:30.33 | koyote | usb networking from the zaurus to the powerbook works |
| 21:30.43 | pyromance | yay |
| 21:36.56 | koyote | now how to figure out samba viewing on the mac |
| 21:37.01 | koyote | bah, I'll use scp |
| 21:39.02 | Vig | I just ended up using sftp myself |
| 21:40.22 | Vig | filezilla on the win side is pretty nice and it supports sftp |
| 21:42.09 | koyote | no tengo windows :) |
| 21:42.22 | koyote | mac os X, so scp is fine, really |
| 21:42.34 | Vig | ahh, figured windows since you said samba |
| 21:42.35 | koyote | it's just cute that the 750 has a built in samba server |
| 21:42.41 | Vig | yeah, that's cool |
| 21:43.03 | kergoth | wonder if oz's samba server ipk works |
| 21:43.19 | koyote | I'll try it out later. |
| 21:43.22 | pyromance | kergoth: want me to test? |
| 21:43.24 | kergoth | dont think anyone's ever tested it |
| 21:43.31 | kergoth | feeel free |
| 21:43.34 | kergoth | i'm curious |
| 21:43.35 | koyote | what's the timeliine for a shepherd daily? :) |
| 21:43.49 | kergoth | after this poodle build probably |
| 21:43.51 | pyromance | Mkay |
| 21:43.52 | kergoth | then husky and corgi |
| 21:43.53 | pyromance | give me a few |
| 21:44.23 | koyote | cool |
| 21:44.28 | koyote | I'll hang out for a few. |
| 21:45.20 | koyote | what does the updater.sh do? |
| 21:46.01 | pyromance | mewyn: "why can't I ssh into my Z all of a sudden?" |
| 21:46.09 | kergoth | koyote: its a shell script, encrypted |
| 21:46.13 | pyromance | duh ... the wlan card is sitting on the desk |
| 21:46.18 | kergoth | koyote: its what does the actual flash. it just boots a kernel and runs it |
| 21:46.28 | kergoth | s/it just/maint menu just/ |
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| 21:46.55 | koyote | ahso |
| 21:47.01 | pyromance | umm..kergoth? Where's the samba ipk? |
| 21:47.34 | kergoth | um, is it in unstable? |
| 21:49.25 | pasky | anyone using zaurus w/ gprs? |
| 21:49.40 | pyromance | What's the file? I didn't see it in untesting or stable |
| 21:49.48 | koyote | should I infer from that that the listed instructions for doing the flash are not valid? |
| 21:49.59 | kergoth | koyote: listed instructions? |
| 21:50.09 | kergoth | koyote: assume that nearly all info on openzaurus.org is collie specific atm |
| 21:50.14 | kergoth | it was never very .. device agnostic |
| 21:50.19 | koyote | okay :) |
| 21:50.37 | koyote | shapr has usually been pretty good about agnosticism over time |
| 21:51.05 | koyote | most of my older stuff tends to work the same way- same pinouts for rs232 on all the 1980s stuff |
| 21:54.51 | pyromance | kergoth: there's a samba in the shepherd feed |
| 21:54.59 | kergoth | try it then :) |
| 21:55.23 | kergoth | samba isnt device specific in any way |
| 21:55.25 | kergoth | should work fine |
| 21:55.39 | pyromance | There's a samba in 3.1rc3.1 |
| 21:55.52 | pyromance | mmkay... wget time |
| 21:56.17 | pyromance | yipes they're big |
| 21:56.31 | pyromance | http://opie.net.wox.org/openzaurus/shepherd-feed/samba_2.2.8a-1_armv4l-xscale.ipk or the samba-common or both? |
| 21:57.00 | pyromance | then there's smbfs and smbclient... |
| 21:57.29 | kergoth | "samba" probabl includes everything |
| 21:57.34 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:57.43 | kergoth | oh hell if i know |
| 21:57.49 | kergoth | docwhat did the packages then vanished |
| 21:57.53 | kergoth | and nobody's touched em since |
| 21:57.53 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:58.02 | pyromance | I'll add the feed and force depends |
| 21:59.14 | pyromance | Ack ... the feed doesn't have a Packages file. I'll do it manually ;) |
| 21:59.25 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:59.26 | kergoth | fun |
| 22:00.04 | pyromance | wants libsmbclient samba-common |
| 22:00.08 | pyromance | Will get.. |
| 22:00.59 | kergoth | that packaging sucks |
| 22:01.04 | kergoth | definately needs cleaning up |
| 22:02.22 | pyromance | Hope this works from SD ... I have a 64/0 install and the packages are 1.1 megs |
| 22:02.34 | kergoth | i'm sure it will |
| 22:03.34 | pyromance | linked them ... it has an unmentioned dependency: smbd: error while loading shared libraries: libgcc_s.so.1: |
| 22:04.57 | pyromance | ... which is not in that feed |
| 22:06.21 | koyote | cool, I've got some files copied out, for fake backups. |
| 22:07.13 | kergoth | pyromance: ack, thats a gcc3 feed |
| 22:07.22 | kergoth | pyromance: libgcc1 should be in the feed.. |
| 22:08.05 | pyromance | hold on ... banged up my SD card |
| 22:08.08 | pyromance | gotta fsck |
| 22:08.47 | kergoth | k |
| 22:09.53 | koyote | wow |
| 22:09.59 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:10.01 | koyote | 6.25Mbits on the usb link |
| 22:10.14 | koyote | that's not bad for usb ethernet |
| 22:12.04 | pyromance | OK now where's that libgcc? |
| 22:12.13 | kergoth | pyromance: dont bother |
| 22:12.18 | kergoth | pyromance: it wont work anyway |
| 22:12.24 | kergoth | pyromance: since it was built against a much more recent glibc |
| 22:12.27 | pyromance | hrm .. ok |
| 22:12.52 | pyromance | kergoth: Well if you want to ssh into my Z and test it on a working Windows network, I'll give you a shell on demon |
| 22:13.08 | kergoth | i would, but i'm stuck doing what i get paid to do atm |
| 22:13.11 | pyromance | Demon is my MP3 server ;) |
| 22:13.13 | kergoth | working on OE buildsystem stuff |
| 22:13.53 | pyromance | haha. OK ... well I need to run and do some shopping and I'm taking the Z so I can have music in my car. When you think you'll have time for that, I'll leave the Z on the cradle and let you at my network. |
| 22:14.12 | kergoth | cool, later |
| 22:37.52 | koyote | urgh |
| 22:37.58 | koyote | need to drive 5 minutes home |
| 22:38.02 | koyote | then try shepherd |
| 23:02.27 | bipolar | exit |
| 23:02.30 | bipolar | hehe |
| 23:12.15 | *** join/#openzaurus enki (~jeff@rdu57-34-201.nc.rr.com) |
| 23:12.28 | enki | is it just me or has no one yet to make a boost ipk? |
| 23:12.40 | kergoth | add it to buildroot |
| 23:14.44 | fdask | ibot buildroot |
| 23:14.44 | | buildroot is, like, a cool system for building embedded root file systems and can be found at http://uclibc.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/buildroot/ or a heavily modified version used by the OpenZaurus project, or see oz buildroot |
| 23:15.05 | fdask | ibot oz buildroot |
| 23:15.07 | | methinks oz bk is bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
| 23:15.10 | enki | for real |
| 23:23.10 | Vig | will that long command line that ibot spit out build a kernel and a root filesystem? |
| 23:23.20 | kergoth | yes |
| 23:23.28 | Vig | excellent |
| 23:23.35 | kergoth | buildroot can build kernels, images, packages for any supported devices |
| 23:23.39 | kergoth | of which there are quite a few |
| 23:24.10 | Vig | have you ever thought of adding a donate button to the oz page kergoth? |
| 23:24.24 | kergoth | you can donate, but via the credits page |
| 23:24.40 | Vig | sweet |
| 23:24.40 | kergoth | since its really a per developer thing. I dont consider myself all there is to OZ |
| 23:24.44 | kergoth | though i still do quite a bit of it |
| 23:24.53 | kergoth | we should make a "contribution" page |
| 23:26.11 | koyote | a master contributions page, maybe |
| 23:26.26 | Vig | if I knew how to code I'd contribute with that |
| 23:26.31 | koyote | damn, even at 7Mb/s, this is taking a long time to do |
| 23:26.32 | Vig | but it's just never been my thing |
| 23:26.34 | kergoth | well, it could link to the developer donations, as well as talk about what code would be helpful, and/or hardware for testing. |
| 23:26.42 | kergoth | link to our todo list, etc |
| 23:27.15 | koyote | should I pull shepherd down? |
| 23:27.36 | kergoth | i havent uploaded any new images |
| 23:27.42 | kergoth | got stuck with our firewall at work being a pain |
| 23:27.47 | koyote | *nods* |
| 23:27.53 | koyote | i have had this happen to me today |
| 23:27.56 | kergoth | stupid http proxy |
| 23:28.04 | kergoth | cvs pserver checkout doesnt support it |
| 23:30.59 | pb_ | suck |
| 23:31.15 | pb_ | you'd think that TI would be smart enough to have a firewall that allowed software development |
| 23:31.18 | kergoth | so tim dug up a .so that you preload to stuff it through it |
| 23:31.28 | kergoth | but you cant resolve dns through it when using it |
| 23:31.33 | kergoth | so i sit here telling ibot to nslookup things |
| 23:31.35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:31.38 | pb_ | lol |
| 23:31.43 | kergoth | yeah, i hate to see things like this reducing developer efficiency |
| 23:32.13 | pb_ | sounds like you need a nss_ibot module to automate the process. |
| 23:32.35 | koyote | hrm |
| 23:32.36 | koyote | actuamy problems at work today have been mostly due to an inability to get more than 600Meg out of some interfaces. |
| 23:33.16 | koyote | and typing |
| 23:36.08 | kergoth | pb_: hehe, i thought about that |
| 23:38.21 | Vig | kind ot but has anyone found a reasonably rugged traveling case for the zaurus that holds a few cf cards as well? |
| 23:38.44 | Vig | 5500 that is |
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| 23:48.14 | koyote | I haven't specifically |
| 23:48.33 | koyote | but i've seen some pretty good small camera cases that work |
| 23:49.02 | Vig | hmm, come to think of it my digicam case might be ideal |
| 23:56.16 | mule | anone know the debian package containing the binutils-arm ? |
| 23:57.59 | mule | or an oz mirror that is in europe? |
| 23:58.44 | mule | the site just wont load for me...all I need are the docs ;) |
