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| 00:55.20 | mmelbert | all quiet again tonight? |
| 00:56.27 | mmelbert | I guess so |
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| 00:57.57 | mcman | Does anyone run a 2.6test kernel with usbnet and are able to sync to their Zaurus? |
| 00:59.14 | mmelbert | nope sorry |
| 00:59.17 | mmelbert | never tried it |
| 00:59.28 | mmelbert | I use a wireless card for everything |
| 01:00.33 | mcman | Heh, alright... Next question. What's the best and cheapest wirless card? |
| 01:01.05 | fdask | those terms are mutually exclusive ;) |
| 01:01.34 | mcman | Ouch. I saw one over on newegg for ~30. |
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| 01:02.51 | mcman | Zonet Wireless (ZCF1100), $37 with a rebate. |
| 01:03.19 | mcman | There website is kinda terrible... Has anyone used one of these bad boys with their Zaurus? |
| 01:06.04 | mmelbert | I like dlink stuff |
| 01:06.07 | mmelbert | so I am partial |
| 01:06.20 | mmelbert | dwl660w |
| 01:08.15 | mmelbert | oops |
| 01:08.21 | mmelbert | dcf 660w |
| 01:10.05 | mmelbert | $57 at newegg |
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| 01:38.41 | Vig | !ibot buildroot |
| 01:40.59 | Vig | ibot buildroot |
| 01:41.00 | | hmm... buildroot is a cool system for building embedded root file systems and can be found at http://uclibc.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/buildroot/ or a heavily modified version used by the OpenZaurus project, or see oz buildroot |
| 01:41.05 | Vig | there we go |
| 01:41.17 | Vig | ibot oz buildroot |
| 01:41.18 | | oz bk is, like, bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
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| 01:44.12 | koyote | wheee |
| 01:44.44 | ulmer | hehe |
| 01:45.21 | W8TVI | netgear sucks |
| 01:45.48 | W8TVI | they refused to replace my ma701 becouse I used it with linux |
| 01:46.18 | W8TVI | so I took it back to Circut City and got store credit |
| 01:46.40 | Vig | I've implemented a don't ask don't tell policy |
| 01:47.11 | W8TVI | now I have a sony walkman CD/atrac3plus/MP3 |
| 01:47.16 | fdask | with the buildroot system, is there a way to specify which version of OPIE gets included in the build? say i want to switch between v1_0, or HEAD? or even add some date specific parameters? |
| 01:47.18 | W8TVI | well they asked |
| 01:47.46 | W8TVI | the level 2 tech hung up on me |
| 01:47.53 | Vig | ahh |
| 01:47.58 | fdask | lol |
| 01:48.15 | W8TVI | I ask to talk to his superviser |
| 01:48.19 | W8TVI | he refused |
| 01:48.35 | Vig | man these bitkeepers guys are interesting |
| 01:48.49 | Vig | clock is off so it refuses to let bitkeeper run |
| 01:50.37 | W8TVI | I will NEVER buy a netgear pice of sh*t again |
| 01:52.45 | fdask | i just did a bk pull, then when i ran bk -r co -q, i got these errors: |
| 01:52.46 | fdask | debian:/new/buildroot-oz# bk -r co -q |
| 01:52.46 | fdask | Bad old style checksum for packages/wonka/qteawt/qte/src/src/SCCS/s.konqplugininterface.h, got 4179, wanted 4022 |
| 01:52.46 | fdask | Bad checksum for packages/wonka/qteawt/qte/src/src/SCCS/s.konqplugininterface.h, got 4179, wanted 4022 |
| 01:52.46 | fdask | packages/wonka/qteawt/qte/src/src/SCCS/s.konqplugininterface.h: No such file or directory |
| 01:53.00 | dedd_ | W8TVI: replacing my netgear 10/100 nic w/ a 3com this weekend |
| 01:53.09 | dedd_ | causes too many errors under high loads |
| 01:53.14 | W8TVI | linksys are nice |
| 01:53.28 | W8TVI | I have two linksys cards |
| 01:53.29 | dedd_ | W8TVI: what u suggest for wifi? |
| 01:53.35 | mule | fdask how do you get the bk files? I can't work it out |
| 01:53.36 | W8TVI | for zaurus? |
| 01:53.38 | dedd_ | haven't made that jump yet |
| 01:53.43 | dedd_ | well house then zaurus |
| 01:53.44 | dedd_ | but ya |
| 01:53.52 | dedd_ | have zero wifi stuff atm |
| 01:54.00 | dedd_ | be nice to sync my zaurus |
| 01:54.03 | dedd_ | w/o that usb shiat |
| 01:54.10 | dedd_ | very cumbersome |
| 01:54.11 | fdask | mule: lemme find u the url i followed |
| 01:54.15 | Vig | you mean how to get them from the repistory mule? |
| 01:54.18 | mule | fdask: thanks |
| 01:54.42 | W8TVI | I have a linksys broadband router that I realy like |
| 01:54.45 | mule | fdask: I have installed bk, and created a repository, but I can't get anything |
| 01:54.54 | Vig | ibot oz buildroot |
| 01:54.55 | | [oz bk] bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
| 01:55.08 | mule | well I have a netgear router, and a netgear wireless cf, and I am very happy with both |
| 01:55.10 | Vig | that long command line did it for me mule |
| 01:55.11 | Vig | just ran it |
| 01:55.14 | W8TVI | and I've heard that the ambicom cf 802.11b card works well |
| 01:55.33 | fdask | mule: http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/faq?id=84 |
| 01:55.37 | mule | Vig: yes, I followed that, but I can't get it to work... |
| 01:55.40 | dedd_ | mule: got mostly netgear on my cat5 network but i'm having problems w/ the card in windows 2000 under high load |
| 01:55.41 | Vig | hmm |
| 01:55.44 | ulmer | I like my linksys WCF11 |
| 01:55.55 | dedd_ | to get wifi for my zaurus |
| 01:56.07 | dedd_ | i need to get a card for my zaurus and a card for 1 pc on the cat5 lan? |
| 01:56.10 | W8TVI | dedd_: stay away from d-link and netgear |
| 01:56.15 | Vig | most of those cards are all the same, firmware versions are only diff |
| 01:56.19 | Vig | and you can flash that yourself |
| 01:56.27 | Vig | mostly all prism 2.5 reference cards |
| 01:56.32 | mule | vig your command ends /buildroot or buildroot-oz? the lines are messing up here |
| 01:56.52 | W8TVI | dedd_: get a linksys broadband router |
| 01:57.00 | mule | Vig: I try again |
| 01:57.03 | dedd_ | W8TVI: really necessary? |
| 01:57.15 | dedd_ | W8TVI: trying not to modify the current cat5 network |
| 01:57.16 | Vig | type everything from bk clone to the last make |
| 01:57.21 | Vig | and that should get you going mule |
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| 01:57.27 | W8TVI | the router will plug into the network |
| 01:57.32 | W8TVI | liek an AP |
| 01:57.39 | W8TVI | and it costs less than an AP |
| 01:57.43 | dedd_ | W8TVI: can't i just make my linux box act as the AP |
| 01:57.54 | dedd_ | since i'm only gonna use it for my Z |
| 01:57.59 | W8TVI | sure... |
| 01:58.16 | dedd_ | W8TVI: trying to stick to a student budget aka broke ass =) |
| 01:58.57 | W8TVI | well... a card for your linux box will cost about $50-$70 then you need to find the linux drivers |
| 01:59.19 | dedd_ | how much is it the router method? |
| 01:59.42 | W8TVI | the broadband router/AP costs about $60-70 and just plugs into the network |
| 02:00.00 | W8TVI | mine was $70 with a $10 mail in rebate |
| 02:00.17 | dedd_ | W8TVI: any for my zaurus and laptops what pcmcia card u suggest |
| 02:00.40 | W8TVI | and my AP/router doesn't give out IP addresses, my linux box does |
| 02:01.04 | W8TVI | this is the ap I use: http://www.linksys.com/Products/product.asp?grid=33&scid=35&prid=415 |
| 02:01.11 | mule | thanks Vig its going for it |
| 02:01.26 | W8TVI | no wait.. not that one |
| 02:01.49 | Vig | no problem |
| 02:01.57 | Vig | just starting out with the whole thing today myself |
| 02:02.19 | W8TVI | dedd_: this is what I use: http://www.linksys.com/products/product.asp?grid=33&scid=35&prid=544 |
| 02:03.06 | dedd_ | W8TVI: and 4 the Z? |
| 02:03.30 | W8TVI | for a laptop I'd use a ORiNOCO Gold |
| 02:05.58 | W8TVI | dedd_, I'm told this one works for the Z |
| 02:05.59 | W8TVI | http://www.ambicom.com/products/wave2net/wl1100c-cf.html |
| 02:06.32 | dedd_ | W8TVI: thanks mate |
| 02:06.58 | W8TVI | it uses the Intersil Prism 2.5 chipset |
| 02:08.12 | dedd_ | i don't see it for sale in their online store though |
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| 02:09.46 | W8TVI | dedd_, get it from best buy |
| 02:10.10 | dedd_ | ah |
| 02:10.21 | dedd_ | W8TVI: any idea on prices |
| 02:10.26 | W8TVI | thats the only place here that sells CF wifi cards not |
| 02:10.31 | W8TVI | about $70 |
| 02:10.46 | dedd_ | W8TVI: dedd is gonna be poor =/ |
| 02:10.58 | W8TVI | heh |
| 02:11.18 | dedd_ | W8TVI: i think the ghetto usb sync will hafta do for now |
| 02:11.21 | W8TVI | at least you have something to spend |
| 02:11.41 | dedd_ | W8TVI: i actually don't was gonna ask relatives to cover it |
| 02:11.51 | dedd_ | or if i get the money i'm owed |
| 02:11.54 | dedd_ | then just maybe |
| 02:11.59 | W8TVI | I'm out of work |
| 02:12.10 | dedd_ | same here for the last 2 wks |
| 02:12.16 | dedd_ | still haven't got my last paycheck either |
| 02:12.28 | W8TVI | I'll have to wait about 2 or 3 months before I can get new card |
| 02:12.47 | dedd_ | well i' |
| 02:12.54 | dedd_ | m getting a new laptop in dec |
| 02:12.58 | dedd_ | and it be nicer to wifi it |
| 02:13.02 | dedd_ | then tie down to cat5 |
| 02:13.19 | W8TVI | yeah |
| 02:13.26 | dedd_ | and i know the local borders is a tmoible hotspot |
| 02:13.29 | dedd_ | so i know i'm behind |
| 02:13.44 | W8TVI | dedd_, I got a $10 802.11b card off of e-bay and it works with windows just fine |
| 02:13.54 | dedd_ | coo |
| 02:13.59 | dedd_ | ebay scares me |
| 02:14.07 | dedd_ | i know too many people who abuse that |
| 02:15.33 | W8TVI | I got my Zaurus on half.com |
| 02:15.48 | dedd_ | i got mine from buy.com eons ago |
| 02:16.00 | dedd_ | for full retail |
| 02:16.14 | W8TVI | yech |
| 02:16.24 | W8TVI | I have tow sl-5500s |
| 02:16.27 | W8TVI | two |
| 02:16.32 | dedd_ | why? |
| 02:16.37 | W8TVI | one working, one broken |
| 02:16.42 | dedd_ | that would do it |
| 02:16.45 | W8TVI | 'I got the broken one for $10 |
| 02:16.54 | dedd_ | what u want w/ a broke 1? |
| 02:17.05 | mule | got my z on ebay |
| 02:17.18 | W8TVI | I used it fix my other broken one |
| 02:17.20 | W8TVI | :) |
| 02:17.25 | dedd_ | so u broke yours |
| 02:17.28 | dedd_ | bought a broke 21 |
| 02:17.28 | dedd_ | 1 |
| 02:17.31 | dedd_ | and fixed yours |
| 02:17.34 | dedd_ | interestin |
| 02:17.38 | W8TVI | heh :) |
| 02:17.46 | koyote | kergoth: you still awake? |
| 02:17.57 | dedd_ | i lost my cover i think |
| 02:18.09 | dedd_ | i took it off cause i bought a leather case from sharp for it |
| 02:18.28 | W8TVI | the stupid car power adapter blew its fuse |
| 02:18.40 | dedd_ | i bring tunes to kill time at school -1 ogg works fine too keep it small for the CF |
| 02:19.09 | W8TVI | I like my new CD player |
| 02:19.30 | W8TVI | I used the store credit to get it |
| 02:19.50 | W8TVI | sony walkman CD/atrac3plus/MP3 player |
| 02:19.59 | dedd_ | i still have an old rio |
| 02:20.03 | kergoth | koyote: barely |
| 02:20.06 | dedd_ | still lub it |
| 02:20.13 | dedd_ | but zaurus is more convient |
| 02:20.15 | W8TVI | the 64kbps sound good.... |
| 02:20.54 | koyote | kergoth: just wnat ot know which version I'm about to put on the 750. or, if you want to voyeur on the test, i cna wait for tomorrow |
| 02:21.14 | koyote | mm, typo hell |
| 02:21.25 | W8TVI | I like how I can fit about atrac 64kbps |
| 02:21.29 | W8TVI | oops |
| 02:21.50 | W8TVI | atrac 64kbps sounds ok |
| 02:23.10 | W8TVI | I can fit 650mb on one cdrw |
| 02:31.34 | koyote | okay |
| 02:31.51 | dedd_ | W8TVI: cdrs are normally 650mbs |
| 02:31.56 | koyote | for the 750, I just run the updater.sh after renaming the zimage? |
| 02:31.57 | dedd_ | u can get 700mb 1's too |
| 02:32.10 | W8TVI | I got 700mb CDRs |
| 02:32.52 | W8TVI | but my CRDWs are 650mb |
| 02:33.06 | dedd_ | cdrs are so cheap |
| 02:33.07 | dedd_ | don' |
| 02:33.14 | dedd_ | t see any point for cdrws for music |
| 02:34.14 | W8TVI | for mp3 cds |
| 02:34.31 | dedd_ | based on cost u can easily just use cdrs |
| 02:34.36 | dedd_ | and make new 1s every few wks |
| 02:37.52 | koyote | I would say it is bad if updater.sh cannot run |
| 02:38.26 | koyote | gah! |
| 02:41.22 | koyote | okay, let's try this again |
| 02:41.23 | koyote | ./updater.sh |
| 02:41.24 | koyote | "./updater.sh: cannot execute binary file" |
| 02:42.54 | kergoth | vi updater.sh |
| 02:43.36 | koyote | that doesn't really work very well |
| 02:43.37 | koyote | :) |
| 02:44.02 | kergoth | good |
| 02:44.22 | fdask | the buildroot system auto gets the opie source to use in making an image, but is there a way i can set the release tag or branch i want to get from the opie cvs? |
| 02:44.40 | kergoth | make menuconfig |
| 02:44.44 | kergoth | packages |
| 02:44.45 | kergoth | gui |
| 02:44.46 | kergoth | base |
| 02:44.56 | kergoth | the nice obvious "branch" option |
| 02:45.36 | fdask | doh |
| 02:45.53 | kergoth | heheh |
| 02:46.00 | fdask | what about getting a specific version by date? |
| 02:46.08 | kergoth | that isnt in the gui |
| 02:46.09 | koyote | let's check filesize again |
| 02:46.17 | kergoth | youd have to edit the packages/opie/Makefile |
| 02:46.20 | kergoth | Sources line |
| 02:46.34 | kergoth | where it says tag=, you want cvsdate= |
| 02:46.40 | fdask | excellent. thanks for the help kergoth. |
| 02:46.47 | kergoth | np |
| 02:48.19 | koyote | filesize matches |
| 02:48.42 | koyote | in the root directory of the sd card. |
| 02:48.58 | koyote | zimage file renamed, initrd.bin is there. |
| 02:49.26 | koyote | er |
| 02:49.31 | koyote | that's difeerent |
| 02:49.33 | koyote | different |
| 02:51.03 | koyote | now I'm not in bash |
| 02:51.18 | koyote | run it, and I get a large amount of ascii dumped and then: |
| 02:51.26 | mule | it's no good...still more errors that I just don't understand. It happens while building the uic I think |
| 02:51.35 | koyote | ./uupdater.sh 1:syntax error: end of file unexpected |
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| 02:56.02 | koyote | i'm not sure what this means for me right now |
| 02:57.41 | koyote | kergoth: I don't think i can debug that one very well :) |
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| 03:35.06 | koyote | okay |
| 03:35.15 | koyote | am I missing anythiing in particular in the process? |
| 03:35.26 | koyote | do i need to move battery door switches? |
| 03:35.48 | koyote | actually, that makes no sense, sinc eit is an unexpected eof that is bombing the shell script |
| 03:35.48 | treke|home | yes |
| 03:36.01 | koyote | (I'm on a 750) |
| 03:36.20 | treke|home | The battery door switch needs to be on the on position, but that shouldnt cause an eof |
| 03:36.25 | treke|home | check the md5sums on the files |
| 03:37.02 | koyote | I'm re downloading |
| 03:37.47 | treke|home | check the md5sums on the files |
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| 03:40.00 | koyote | once they finish downloading |
| 03:45.18 | mule | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:45.34 | kergoth | uicmoc is an intel compile |
| 03:45.34 | Vig | ahh |
| 03:45.40 | kergoth | if its failing, its something in your x86 build environment |
| 03:45.48 | kergoth | nothing about it has anything to do with crosscompilation |
| 03:45.53 | kergoth | without it, you arent building opie |
| 03:46.03 | Vig | that's pretty odd, I've built all kinds of stuff on this machine |
| 03:46.19 | kergoth | qpngio? whats the error? |
| 03:46.57 | Vig | make[2]: *** [kernel/qpngio.o] Error 1 |
| 03:46.59 | Vig | that was the last error |
| 03:47.04 | kergoth | thats not an error |
| 03:47.08 | Vig | nothing else before seemed aluminating |
| 03:47.14 | Vig | err illuminating |
| 03:47.16 | kergoth | "Error 1" could be any number of thousands of failures |
| 03:47.21 | kergoth | anything can cause make to fail |
| 03:47.28 | kergoth | the actual cause is farther up |
| 03:47.29 | Vig | yeah |
| 03:47.32 | kergoth | you're pasting an effect, not a cause. |
| 03:47.34 | kergoth | useless |
| 03:47.43 | Vig | well moving up like 3 pages showed me not much of anything |
| 03:47.51 | kergoth | then you'r emissing it. |
| 03:48.03 | Vig | I supposed it could have been up even further, but I don't usually have that problem |
| 03:48.12 | kergoth | there's no "could" |
| 03:48.17 | kergoth | the error was above the one you pasted |
| 03:48.18 | kergoth | period |
| 03:48.20 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:48.29 | Vig | yeah I know that |
| 03:48.35 | Vig | since that was the last entry |
| 03:48.43 | W8TVI | Vig: LOOK HARDER! |
| 03:48.48 | W8TVI | :P |
| 03:48.49 | Vig | trick is I usually find the root cause about a page or so up |
| 03:48.49 | kergoth | W8TVI: thanks |
| 03:48.54 | kergoth | saves me from saying it |
| 03:49.04 | W8TVI | your wellcome |
| 03:49.12 | Vig | I'm doing a make clean,mrproper now |
| 03:49.15 | Vig | and rebuilding |
| 03:49.38 | W8TVI | er... welcome |
| 03:50.21 | Vig | it's interesting that mule got that error too though kergoth |
| 03:50.33 | kergoth | not really. |
| 03:50.40 | kergoth | you're both missing something in your dev environments. |
| 03:50.49 | mule | ermm, I got an error like that |
| 03:50.53 | kergoth | qpngio, png, probably missing the libpng development files |
| 03:50.54 | koyote | hrm |
| 03:50.56 | Vig | some foo.h or some such ting |
| 03:51.03 | koyote | where is the md5sum for updater.sh? |
| 03:51.05 | kergoth | why do users always think being vague helps |
| 03:51.09 | kergoth | EXACT errors |
| 03:51.11 | kergoth | or dont waste my time. |
| 03:51.31 | koyote | I sort of kinda wnated to know why I was having this error thing with my shellscript thiingy |
| 03:51.37 | mule | why is it building glibc? |
| 03:51.45 | kergoth | mule: why wouldnt it? |
| 03:51.50 | kergoth | buildroot builds every package in OZ. |
| 03:51.53 | Vig | you have to know what you are looking at, and unless you are a software developer you don't always know that |
| 03:52.03 | kergoth | Vig: uh, "foo.h" doesnt help anyone. |
| 03:52.06 | Vig | particuarly when the error is so far back it's outside of your scroll buffer |
| 03:52.11 | kergoth | Vig: copy & paste isnt exactly rocket science |
| 03:52.11 | mule | well I only want the kernel |
| 03:52.19 | kergoth | mule: then rm .config |
| 03:52.21 | kergoth | mule: make menuconfig |
| 03:52.24 | kergoth | mule: go enable the kernel |
| 03:52.30 | kergoth | mule: the defconfig you copied is a full collie build |
| 03:52.35 | kergoth | you want poodle or something right? |
| 03:52.41 | kergoth | use menuconfig |
| 03:52.42 | mule | yeah I copied poodle |
| 03:52.42 | koyote | 3919541ac6375298a1c387617f2fda1f updater.sh |
| 03:52.43 | Vig | foo.h was a reference to what you said |
| 03:52.43 | kergoth | select what you want |
| 03:52.45 | kergoth | k |
| 03:52.49 | Vig | not meant to be an error |
| 03:52.50 | mule | thanks |
| 03:54.12 | kergoth | mule: target device is in build options |
| 03:54.19 | kergoth | brb, need a drink |
| 03:57.11 | mule | kergoth: it's all sorted I think, I'm making now |
| 03:57.16 | kergoth | cool |
| 03:59.46 | mule | when do I edit the kernel parameter? |
| 04:00.50 | kergoth | vi packages/kernel-shepherd/poodle if you want to adapt the config |
| 04:00.54 | kergoth | otherwise it uses our defaults |
| 04:01.19 | mule | ok...the deaults you used today when building for poodle? |
| 04:03.05 | kergoth | yeahh |
| 04:03.12 | kergoth | dont recall if i made it quieter or not |
| 04:03.26 | mule | dont worry, I'll change it if it isnt :) |
| 04:03.46 | kergoth | yeah, just make sure console=null instead of console=tty0 |
| 04:04.59 | koyote | dowloading... and dowloading... almost done |
| 04:05.14 | koyote | kergoth: have md5s for the shepherd files? |
| 04:05.43 | kergoth | what shepherd files? |
| 04:05.53 | kergoth | i dont build the images in unofficial |
| 04:05.56 | W8TVI | never can get it all downloaded |
| 04:05.57 | kergoth | i build the stuff in official |
| 04:06.06 | kergoth | W8TVI: bittorrent it |
| 04:06.22 | koyote | ah |
| 04:06.37 | W8TVI | well with my dialup... it'd take me days |
| 04:06.44 | koyote | so i'm sort of on my own in trying to figure out any problems with the shepherd stuff |
| 04:06.58 | kergoth | well, its unofficial, which implies unsupported. |
| 04:07.07 | kergoth | when i upload the official images, then you can pester me |
| 04:07.53 | koyote | is that likely to be in the near future? (not today, but like.. nar future? ) |
| 04:08.01 | kergoth | near future, yes |
| 04:08.06 | Vig | heh |
| 04:08.11 | kergoth | probably this weekend at the outset |
| 04:08.18 | kergoth | hopefully sooner |
| 04:08.24 | kergoth | was planning on it tdoay, but ran into some issues |
| 04:08.33 | koyote | okey |
| 04:08.54 | koyote | the updater shell script is just annoying in it's refusal to run |
| 04:09.02 | koyote | but i've got time |
| 04:09.16 | koyote | only about 20 hours of work stuff on my plate before monday |
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| 04:10.43 | Vig | appears I was only missing libpng dev files |
| 04:10.53 | kergoth | heh. |
| 04:12.08 | Vig | BTW this build process is really cool once you sort out how it works |
| 04:13.31 | mule | can I turn CONFIG_FRAME_POINTER=n ? |
| 04:13.57 | kergoth | # CONFIG_FRAME_POINTER is not set |
| 04:14.15 | mule | I see |
| 04:14.16 | kergoth | why ya turning off the frame pointer? it'll make debugging crashes a bitch |
| 04:14.29 | kergoth | oh, you're using a gcc3 toolchain huh? i doubt that tree will build with it |
| 04:14.35 | kergoth | grab the 2.95.3.tar.bz2 as well |
| 04:14.44 | kergoth | and enable it, so it'll use gcc2 for kernels and gcc3 for userspace |
| 04:14.48 | mule | ok I just did |
| 04:14.51 | kergoth | k |
| 04:15.07 | mule | but I havent enabled...I think this will have to wait til tomorrow |
| 04:15.30 | kergoth | by "enable it" i just mean go into build options in menuconfig so buidlroot knows its there |
| 04:15.31 | mule | hey thanks for all your help |
| 04:15.35 | kergoth | no problem |
| 04:15.50 | Vig | install: cannot stat `/home/vigilant/buildroot-oz/packages/sdmmc//collie.o': No such file or directory |
| 04:15.51 | Vig | hmmm |
| 04:16.12 | kergoth | Vig: eh thats odd, sounds like the kernel version string was empty |
| 04:16.17 | kergoth | Vig: what kernel do you have enabled? |
| 04:16.27 | Vig | 2.4.21 I believe it was |
| 04:16.50 | kergoth | sdmmc isnt supported in 2.4.21 collie |
| 04:16.52 | kergoth | yet |
| 04:16.56 | kergoth | i havent finished the driver |
| 04:16.57 | Vig | ahh, o.k. |
| 04:22.22 | Vig | I'll roll back to 2.4.6 and see how that goes |
| 04:27.43 | mule | Assembler messages: Error: use of old and new-style options to set CPU type |
| 04:28.55 | mule | when trying to build poodle kernel |
| 04:29.10 | kergoth | what toolchain? |
| 04:29.29 | mule | 2.95 for kernel, I did as you instructed |
| 04:30.20 | mule | how can I check it is using 2.95? |
| 04:30.32 | mule | delete 3.3? >:) |
| 04:35.36 | mule | ok I just renamed it :) |
| 04:36.41 | kergoth | mule: make SUBDIRS=packages/kernel-shepherd clean; make |
| 04:36.56 | kergoth | mule: thatll remove the extracdted sources and reextract. could be you had remnant objects from you attemtp to build with gcc3 |
| 04:37.13 | mule | ok |
| 04:38.04 | mule | I'll just wait for this build to fail |
| 04:40.27 | mule | well it did |
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| 06:00.24 | fdask | /new/buildroot-oz/scripts/mkipkg --strip=arm-linux-strip /new/buildroot-oz/build/ipktemp/ncurses-term-5.3.20030719-1 |
| 06:00.30 | fdask | that command sure takes awhile on my p233 |
| 06:06.20 | ljp | ya, that takes a long time anywhere |
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| 06:35.53 | Vig | I think my success rate is somewhere around 5% |
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| 11:10.43 | netzwurm | hey there. |
| 11:11.05 | netzwurm | i just got a sd-card, but i am not able to mount it with my zaurus |
| 11:11.37 | liyang | You're using OZ there? |
| 11:11.45 | liyang | 5500? |
| 11:11.58 | netzwurm | the kernel reports an unknown partition table, fdisk exits with an bus error if i trie to create a partition. |
| 11:12.02 | netzwurm | liyang: yep |
| 11:13.24 | netzwurm | i just cannot test the card since i don't own a sd-cardreader for my other machines. |
| 11:15.12 | netzwurm | any suggestions? |
| 11:15.30 | liyang | Try Sharp's drivers... |
| 11:15.47 | liyang | Can you grab it off your old ROM? (if you have a backup) |
| 11:16.06 | liyang | Should be in /lib/modules/somewhere , named something like sharp_sdmmc_m.o |
| 11:19.16 | netzwurm | hmm, i think my notebookdriver doesn't support jffs2, so this'll take a while. |
| 11:19.33 | netzwurm | but didn't oz adopt the sd/mmc driver from sharp |
| 11:19.33 | netzwurm | ? |
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| 11:23.08 | liyang | Erm, actually, you'd be best asking someone else. It didn't come on my 5600 initrd.bin, but that's still experimental/unofficial. |
| 11:24.03 | liyang | Sharp can't release their SD card drivers, due to the strong-arming fair-use-prevention tactics of the SD card ass. |
| 11:24.13 | liyang | Even though we don't use any of the SDMI features. |
| 11:24.55 | liyang | There is a Free MMC driver that'll support SD cards going into 2.4.21 though, from what I've heard. |
| 11:33.26 | netzwurm | hmm, is there no jffs2 driver in the default 2.4.21 kernel? |
| 11:34.49 | godog | liyang: is OZ working fine on 5600? i would like to install it |
| 11:35.20 | liyang | godog: ... depends on what you mean by `fine'. There are a few issues. |
| 11:35.49 | godog | liyang: could you please tell me some issues? i'm curious :) |
| 11:35.58 | liyang | I'm running it mainly because I tried to flash my 5600 with the B500 ROM, which didn't quite work, and I didn't like tkc.rom nor Zynergy. |
| 11:36.12 | liyang | godog: usbdnet doesn't work. (kernel oops) |
| 11:36.50 | liyang | and the kernel I'm running here spews out console messages to the display more or less constantly, which can get a little irritating. (but of course, useful for debugging...) |
| 11:37.20 | liyang | I think mule has gotten wireless working though. Not sure what card... |
| 11:37.34 | liyang | and SD cards work using Sharp's drivers. |
| 11:38.10 | godog | and what about using sharp's kernel? |
| 11:38.30 | godog | http://community.zaurus.com/project/showfiles.php?group_id=9&release_id=197 |
| 11:38.31 | godog | i mean that |
| 11:39.12 | liyang | You're going to have issues, I think. |
| 11:39.47 | liyang | For one, I don't think Sharp's kernel has ramfs compiled in, and OZ uses ramfs for /dev as well as /var. |
| 11:40.37 | godog | mmhh ok thanks, i'll try in the next days |
| 11:41.09 | godog | i got my 5600 on monday so i'm not very into OZ and the lke |
| 11:41.14 | netzwurm | how do i setup usbdnet on sharps rom? |
| 11:41.34 | liyang | netzwurm: you don't. It Just Works. (provided your desktop side supports it) |
| 11:41.59 | netzwurm | liyang: arm, so my desktop has to support dhcp? |
| 11:42.12 | liyang | kernel 2.4.21 has it; anything before that you're going to have to patch and recompile your kernel. |
| 11:42.18 | liyang | (so you might as well upgrade) |
| 11:42.59 | liyang | netzwurm: your desktop supports DHCP. It's the USB networking thing that it might not be able to do. |
| 11:43.03 | netzwurm | is it possible to build 2.4.21 for the zaurus? |
| 11:43.14 | godog | netzwurm: in usbdnet you do a ptp connection so dhcp is quite unusable |
| 11:43.16 | liyang | You don't need 2.4.21 on the Zaurus... |
| 11:43.45 | netzwurm | godog: aha? |
| 11:44.10 | netzwurm | godog: why does oz need ip adresses? |
| 11:44.31 | netzwurm | liyang: why not? |
| 11:44.37 | godog | it needs it only if you want |
| 11:44.48 | liyang | Hm? Sharp's default setup is to have a DHCP server running on the Z, so your (Windows) desktop will pick up on that and get an IP address (192.168.129.201 or something) from the Z. It uses a whole /24 and isn't PTP... |
| 11:45.19 | netzwurm | liyang: ack |
| 11:45.19 | liyang | netzwurm: because Sharp's kernel already supports USB networking. It was only officially accepted into the kernel sources in 2.4.21. |
| 11:45.35 | netzwurm | i speak about sd-cards. |
| 11:46.01 | netzwurm | liyang: i would prefer free drivers in sense of free software (not free beer, you know the drill) |
| 11:46.51 | liyang | Well, tough. Wait for kergoth to finish 2.4.21, which has a Free SD/MMC driver, I think. |
| 11:47.18 | netzwurm | liyang: hmkay. |
| 11:47.39 | liyang | Or you can delve in and compile/edit/bugfix the code yourself. :D |
| 11:48.28 | netzwurm | well, kernel-code debuggin' on a zaurus might be quite unfriendly :) |
| 11:48.34 | netzwurm | is there an zaurus emulator? |
| 11:48.58 | liyang | Not really, just get yourself a serial cable and watch the console output... |
| 11:49.51 | liyang | You could probably attach GDB to the running kernel over serial too... (never tried here, don't have the time nor inclination...) |
| 11:50.36 | liyang | netzwurm: if someone understood the Z enough to write an emulator, we probably wouldn't be in the state we currently are. :P |
| 11:50.48 | netzwurm | of course, that's not my problem |
| 11:52.16 | netzwurm | i am just lazy. |
| 11:52.38 | netzwurm | and waiting for each build on a zaurus doesn't increase my motivation :) |
| 11:55.41 | godog | liyang: can you remember the subdnet oops error? perhaps a NULL dereference pointer? |
| 11:55.50 | godog | usbdnet even |
| 11:57.33 | liyang | it's the pxa_bi module that actually oopses. Want the dmesg dump? |
| 11:57.48 | godog | yes thank you |
| 11:57.57 | liyang | (Which reminds me, I was supposed to send that to kergoth last night...) |
| 11:58.00 | netzwurm | doesn't the default rom run sshd by default? |
| 11:58.15 | netzwurm | erm, the sharp-rom? |
| 11:58.20 | godog | netzwurm: no, you have to install it |
| 11:58.28 | netzwurm | godog: hmm. |
| 11:59.05 | netzwurm | godog: it doesn't seem that I can install anythng over network. |
| 11:59.46 | godog | netzwurm: i did it by coping ssh tarball on a local apache |
| 11:59.51 | godog | and then browse with opera |
| 12:00.07 | godog | local == machine with usb plugged |
| 12:00.38 | netzwurm | stupid default install. |
| 12:01.23 | godog | heh, deal with it :) |
| 12:01.41 | godog | liyang: mhh weird |
| 12:03.04 | netzwurm | i really know why i never wanted to use this proprietary shit. |
| 12:04.55 | netzwurm | treke|home: ok, but it should be easily available. |
| 12:05.09 | treke|home | it is. You just put the ipks on the device and install it |
| 12:05.22 | netzwurm | treke|home: that's not easy. |
| 12:05.26 | treke|home | Sure it is |
| 12:05.38 | netzwurm | treke|home: at least a terminal should be available. |
| 12:05.42 | treke|home | Why? |
| 12:05.52 | treke|home | It's a pda. Users are not expected to use it |
| 12:06.03 | netzwurm | it's a linux. |
| 12:06.08 | treke|home | So? |
| 12:06.16 | treke|home | It's still designed to be a pda. Not a workstation |
| 12:06.30 | treke|home | the fact that it runs linux is an accident of it's implementation |
| 12:06.36 | netzwurm | hehe. |
| 12:06.43 | netzwurm | i don't agree. |
| 12:07.09 | netzwurm | i hate the trend to hide anything. |
| 12:07.19 | netzwurm | and everything. |
| 12:07.38 | godog | not having a terminal is not hiding to me |
| 12:08.40 | treke|home | netzwurm: Once again, the device is designed to be a pda with a point and click interface. Having a terminal emulator in no way assists in that goal and would be a waste of space |
| 12:09.03 | treke|home | So as a user you are free to easily install third party software on the machine |
| 12:09.04 | godog | and probably more support requests |
| 12:10.00 | godog | anyway sharp can include some "contrib" on their cd |
| 12:10.33 | netzwurm | godog: ok, what's about a console? |
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| 12:10.45 | godog | with "use at your own risk and not bug us ecc" crap |
| 12:10.51 | netzwurm | the option of simply shutting down qtopia would be ok? |
| 12:10.57 | treke|home | Why? |
| 12:11.23 | netzwurm | treke|home: i just mentioned that before. |
| 12:11.28 | treke|home | Qtopia is the device front end |
| 12:11.49 | netzwurm | treke|home: what exactly do you want to say? |
| 12:12.09 | treke|home | netzwurm: Exactly what I said |
| 12:12.38 | netzwurm | treke|home: dito |
| 12:13.07 | netzwurm | treke|home: so we don't agree about that, let's stop at this point. |
| 12:13.16 | treke|home | sharp did a lot of stupid shit, but that's not part of it |
| 12:13.29 | netzwurm | as i said i don't agree. |
| 12:13.53 | netzwurm | treke|home: i didn't try to be some kind of objective, i can only talk about my purposes |
| 12:30.32 | netzwurm | even with the sharp rom i cannot mount the sd card. |
| 12:31.28 | netzwurm | fdisk says: device contains neither a calid dos partition table nor sun, sgi or osf labels. |
| 12:31.34 | netzwurm | id this card broken? |
| 12:43.37 | netzwurm | well, fdisk also says "you will not be able to write the table" |
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| 14:57.22 | Vig | hmmm seem to be stuck on ppp build for last night's bk checkout |
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| 15:01.57 | _ibz | ibot: crosscompiler? |
| 15:02.01 | _ibz | ibot: cross compiler? |
| 15:02.02 | | _ibz: bugger all, i dunno |
| 15:02.06 | _ibz | ibot: cross compiler |
| 15:02.06 | | i haven't a clue, _ibz |
| 15:02.22 | _ibz | ibot: oz bk |
| 15:02.23 | | i heard oz bk is bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
| 15:02.51 | godog | ibot: status |
| 15:02.52 | | Since Thu Sep 4 19:11:46 2003, there have been 6 modifications, 28 questions, 16 dunnos, 0 morons and 24 commands. I have been awake for 19h 51m 5s this session, and currently reference 85269 factoids. I'm using about 14472 kB of memory. |
| 15:02.58 | Vig | cc is there ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/toolchain/cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2 |
| 15:03.04 | _ibz | Vig: cheers. |
| 15:07.03 | Vig | ibot update |
| 15:07.04 | | Vig: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 15:07.13 | Vig | ibot bk update |
| 15:07.13 | | Vig: i haven't a clue |
| 15:11.48 | godog | someone should add ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/toolchain/cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2 to ibot |
| 15:12.11 | godog | ibot: cc |
| 15:12.12 | | i heard cc is Candy Cruncher. Download from http://eongames.com/downloads/candycruncher_1.50.11_arm.ipk - pre-release version right now |
| 15:12.57 | godog | ibot: cross |
| 15:12.58 | | godog: bugger all, i dunno |
| 15:13.39 | _ibz | ibot: oz compiler |
| 15:13.40 | | no idea, _ibz |
| 15:13.46 | _ibz | ibot: oz cross compiler |
| 15:13.47 | | _ibz: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 15:14.16 | _ibz | ibot: cross? |
| 15:14.17 | | _ibz: I give up, what is it? |
| 15:14.27 | _ibz | ibot: oz toolchain |
| 15:14.27 | | hmm... oz toolchain is http://www.openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/, or mkdir /usr/local/arm and extract them in there. |
| 15:20.24 | godog | or mkdir? |
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| 15:38.46 | _ibz | anyone here know much about the buildroot? |
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| 15:44.57 | _ibz | gcc conf.o zconf.tab.o -o conf |
| 15:44.57 | _ibz | /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.2.3/../../../../i686-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: conf.o: Relocations in generic ELF (EM: 40) |
| 15:45.00 | _ibz | conf.o: could not read symbols: File in wrong format |
| 15:45.06 | _ibz | does that make any sense to anyone? |
| 15:49.06 | mule | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:49.59 | _ibz | same here by the looks of things.. |
| 15:50.09 | _ibz | how far have u got? |
| 15:50.47 | mule | I can build a kernel, but I cant find the built kernel to use it |
| 15:52.07 | _ibz | hey kergoth |
| 15:52.37 | mule | I am going to reinstall the buildroot |
| 15:53.30 | _ibz | mule: eh? i'd wait to find out where to find the built kernel before doing that.. |
| 15:53.40 | mule | too late |
| 15:53.43 | kergoth | _ibz: yes, conf.o was likely the wrong architecture |
| 15:54.03 | mule | I think I messed it up |
| 15:54.29 | godog | _ibz: try file conf.o |
| 15:55.07 | _ibz | scripts/kconfig/conf.o: ELF 32-bit LSB relocatable, ARM, version 1 (ARM), not stripped |
| 15:55.11 | kergoth | there ya go |
| 15:55.16 | kergoth | zconf needs to be x86 |
| 15:55.18 | kergoth | wonder how that happened |
| 15:55.20 | kergoth | remove it and try again |
| 15:55.20 | _ibz | hmmn... |
| 15:56.09 | _ibz | same error. |
| 15:59.22 | kergoth | do you havef CC set in your environment or something? |
| 15:59.23 | _ibz | woops, sorry no..i get this now. |
| 15:59.26 | kergoth | k |
| 15:59.29 | _ibz | /usr/local/arm/2.95.3/arm-linux/bin/ld: zconf.tab.o: Relocations in generic ELF (EM: 3) |
| 15:59.32 | _ibz | zconf.tab.o: could not read symbols: File in wrong format |
| 15:59.41 | kergoth | ah, remove that |
| 16:01.04 | _ibz | hmmn..no i'm getting a PATH_MAX as undeclared.. |
| 16:01.10 | _ibz | safe to flood here? |
| 16:01.32 | _ibz | s/no/now/ |
| 16:01.49 | _ibz | and no, i don't have CC set. |
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| 16:26.24 | mule | what does buildroot do when one of the source sites is down? |
| 16:28.18 | pb_ | fails |
| 16:29.03 | mule | thanks |
| 16:29.16 | kergoth | yeah. the new OE will only fail that package, and any packages that depend on it. but buildroot simply aborts |
| 16:29.56 | mule | fuck |
| 16:30.09 | mule | excuse me |
| 16:33.27 | mule | can I get hold of the file myself and put it in the right place? |
| 16:33.39 | kergoth | yep |
| 16:33.43 | kergoth | drop it into sources/ |
| 16:33.51 | mule | fantastic |
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| 16:41.51 | dmallocIPv6 | hullo :) |
| 16:41.53 | fdask | is branch_1_0 compiling ok currently? |
| 16:42.13 | kergoth | it compiles... who knows if it works |
| 16:43.14 | dmallocIPv6 | I wonder if any of you has a tipp for me. I have qtopia desktop 1.7 on the windows machine and openzaurus 3.2 on the SL5500 I can ping teh zaurus and I can ping teh windows machine. But Qtopia refuses to connect to the zaurus, the IP is set in the prefs. And I am running out of things to google for. |
| 16:43.29 | kergoth | ftp to port 4242 on the zaurus |
| 16:43.36 | kergoth | login as l:root p:rootme |
| 16:43.53 | mule | nice exploit |
| 16:44.19 | kergoth | well, qtopia desktop doesnt have a spot to set the Z pw, so not much you can do if you want to sync with it |
| 16:44.59 | dmallocIPv6 | ah, so I shoudl login manually from now before trying to snyc ? |
| 16:46.26 | dmallocIPv6 | hrrm no ftp on port 4242 |
| 16:46.31 | mule | kergoth: in the buildroot make menuconfig, there are separate settings for target machine in the kernel section...there are 2 options C700/B500 and C750/C760, which should I choose for poodle? |
| 16:47.33 | dmallocIPv6 | but something is listening.. fishy ;) |
| 16:47.59 | kergoth | mule: choose c750/c760. its a newer set of kernel sources |
| 16:48.09 | kergoth | dmallocIPv6: does it disconnect you immediately? |
| 16:48.11 | mule | ok, that's the poodle default |
| 16:48.28 | kergoth | mule: yeah. i'll remove the old ones for devices we know work with newer, one of these days |
| 16:48.39 | dmallocIPv6 | kergoth: netstat -at shows them listening on 4242 and 4243 and yes it seems to immideately terminate the connection |
| 16:48.44 | mule | I am determined to get a working kernel |
| 16:49.01 | kergoth | dmallocIPv6: you didnt run Security and hit ok |
| 16:49.09 | kergoth | dmallocIPv6: per the FAQ on openzaurus.org on syncing. |
| 16:49.39 | dmallocIPv6 | kergoth: ah.. that is something I might have overread. how embarassing. thank you. |
| 16:49.44 | kergoth | np |
| 16:49.53 | kergoth | common mistake, maybe the wording needs to be more clear |
| 16:50.01 | kergoth | feel free to send alterations to our documentation our way |
| 16:50.22 | dmallocIPv6 | I can't even handle my zaurus, and you think I can write ;) |
| 16:50.44 | kergoth | heheh |
| 16:50.50 | kergoth | gotta solicit, i suck at docs too |
| 16:51.06 | kergoth | we really need to make our faq system support user submitted updates |
| 16:51.17 | kergoth | or requests for deletion (obseleted) |
| 16:51.17 | netzwurm | hnn |
| 16:51.30 | netzwurm | i've got a serious issue about sd-cards. |
| 16:51.36 | kergoth | what issue? |
| 16:52.01 | dmallocIPv6 | don't get me wrong I used to write them for a living and I did some docs managing for #fink, but still.. dun like it.. no one likes writing docs ,) |
| 16:52.50 | netzwurm | im just not able to mount the card i just purchased (oz 3.2, sl5500G). fdisk says it contains no valid dos partition table (and even no valid sun etc. label) |
| 16:53.02 | kergoth | so create a partition table on it then |
| 16:53.09 | kergoth | fdisk should automatically, just run it and save & exit |
| 16:53.13 | netzwurm | fdisk can't write anything and the oz-fdisk exits with a bus error. |
| 16:53.23 | kergoth | oh yeah, i hate that bug |
| 16:54.22 | netzwurm | but it's the same with the sharp rom. |
| 16:54.36 | dmallocIPv6 | to get german I would install i18n-de correct ? |
| 16:54.41 | netzwurm | i cannot create a partition table it exits with "unable to write" |
| 16:55.08 | netzwurm | or it seems to work but after that (and reinserting the drive) it's broken again. |
| 16:55.30 | netzwurm | are there some kind of unsupported cards or is it broken? |
| 16:55.52 | netzwurm | i have no possibility to test since i have no other sd-card-reader. |
| 16:56.00 | dmallocIPv6 | but I seem to have broken something ipkg_conf_write_status_files: ERROR cannot write status for package opie-i18n-de since it has a NULL dest |
| 16:56.18 | netzwurm | i searched the web and the usenet, but didn't find anything |
| 17:00.36 | netzwurm | kergoth: is oz in active development btw.? |
| 17:00.56 | netzwurm | i just tried the testing tree and would like to mention some issues. |
| 17:02.06 | liyang | (oh dear. Here we go again.) |
| 17:02.33 | mule | liyang! |
| 17:02.44 | mule | how are you going? |
| 17:02.58 | liyang | I've been sitting here all day, just doing Real Work (TM) :) |
| 17:03.00 | mule | tell me you have a working kernel |
| 17:03.09 | liyang | (which is why I've been a little quiet) |
| 17:03.22 | liyang | Hm? The one from last night works, console messages aside. |
| 17:03.58 | mule | yeah, but, I need one without the messages, so I can use it :) |
| 17:04.25 | liyang | I'm using it okay... you just have to switch back and forth between apps to get the screen to update every so often. |
| 17:05.02 | mule | liyang: yes, so am I, and horizontal works well too, becasue you still get the task bar |
| 17:05.07 | netzwurm | liyang: what kernel? |
| 17:05.40 | mule | anyway liyang , I want a kernel with no console messages, and I am trying to make one |
| 17:06.18 | liyang | (horizontal works? But the display then scrolls _sideways_!...) |
| 17:06.37 | liyang | netzwurm: oz.org/official/experimental/poodle/ |
| 17:06.41 | mule | liyang: yes, slightly sideways. try it |
| 17:07.34 | mule | liyang: what did you do to mount the ramdisk at boot time? |
| 17:07.41 | liyang | I did yesterday, but I'm just saying with the console messages being printed, the display gets shifted sideways and is perhaps more confusing than it scrolling up. |
| 17:07.54 | liyang | mule: I didn't do anything, it was just mounted. |
| 17:08.00 | mule | yeah I see |
| 17:08.09 | mule | which rootfs did you use? |
| 17:08.31 | liyang | Erm, the unofficial/experimental/poodle one, I think. |
| 17:08.46 | mule | yeah, me too |
| 17:08.59 | mule | hmm... |
| 17:10.11 | dmallocIPv6 | whow not bad.. I manage to completely freeze my zaurus.. sheesh |
| 17:12.05 | mule | this is killing me...why do I have to download the kernel source every time? |
| 17:12.46 | netzwurm | liyang: it's not useful to use it with oz stable, is it? |
| 17:12.59 | netzwurm | liyang: are there modules for that anywhere? |
| 17:13.05 | liyang | netzwurm: you're on a 5500? I wouldn't if I were you. |
| 17:13.17 | netzwurm | liyang: why? :) |
| 17:13.20 | liyang | (modules for what?) |
| 17:13.24 | liyang | Are you on a 5500? |
| 17:13.30 | netzwurm | liyang: yes. |
| 17:13.45 | netzwurm | liyang: modules for sd? or is it included in the kernel-image now? |
| 17:13.48 | liyang | Don't. That image is for the Poodle == SL-5600 or B-500. |
| 17:13.56 | netzwurm | ahh. |
| 17:13.57 | netzwurm | ok |
| 17:13.57 | liyang | I don't know. |
| 17:14.01 | netzwurm | ;) |
| 17:15.03 | netzwurm | what's about zImage 2.4.21 for collie? |
| 17:15.17 | mule | what I really need to do is persuade kergoth to do a full poodle build >:) but until then, I have to mess with this buildroot |
| 17:15.37 | liyang | netzwurm: I don't know... I'm not an OZ developer. |
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| 17:16.00 | pHluid | netzwurm: Works, if you don't use the SD slot. |
| 17:16.01 | liyang | and I've barely had my 5600 for a couple of weeks. |
| 17:16.10 | pHluid | Has some minor probs here and there, but other than that it's fine. |
| 17:16.20 | liyang | Nevermind that, I've only had OZ on my 5600 since last night. |
| 17:16.30 | netzwurm | pHluid: what's about the sd slot? |
| 17:16.30 | mule | hehe |
| 17:17.05 | dmallocIPv6 | bah |
| 17:17.06 | pHluid | netzwurm: the kernel module for the SD slot is closed-source and only provided in binary form. kergoth has a .18 kernel module, so I'm not sure why there's no .18 tree, but the module doesn't work in .21 |
| 17:17.19 | pHluid | So there's no kernel support for the SD in .21 |
| 17:17.32 | james_lan | doesn't work in the 2.4.21 ? |
| 17:17.44 | pHluid | There IS an open source sdmmc module, but it needs a fair bit of tweaking to get it to work on the Z, and kergoth hasn't gotten to it yet. |
| 17:17.57 | netzwurm | why the hell don't they use the standard usb-mass-storage technology that works with linux natively? |
| 17:18.16 | pHluid | Because SD has absolutely nothing to do with standard usb mass storage? |
| 17:18.28 | james_lan | netzwurm: sd association crap, and it's not usb |
| 17:18.33 | pHluid | SD is proprietary and there's a lot of legalities involved. |
| 17:18.40 | netzwurm | pHluid: no but you could build in a standard usb-cardreader. |
| 17:18.45 | pHluid | Sharp paid a big ol' license fee for the right to use it |
| 17:18.51 | mule | netzwurm: can you get sd working with usb-mass-storage? |
| 17:18.57 | netzwurm | pHluid: and it would work with linux natively. |
| 17:19.02 | james_lan | yes you could, and no they didn't (probably cheaper) |
| 17:19.03 | pHluid | The opensource module had to be reverse engineered |
| 17:19.12 | liyang | (I already explained why he can't get SD support with 2.4.21 earlier this morning... *sigh*) |
| 17:19.23 | pHluid | netzwurm: It's not a freaking usb-cardreader |
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| 17:19.42 | netzwurm | james_lan: yes, please let me at least damn it :) |
| 17:19.43 | pHluid | There's SD init code that is *proprietary* and *illegal to circumvent under the DMCA* |
| 17:19.51 | netzwurm | pHluid: i know. |
| 17:20.03 | netzwurm | pHluid: but it would be much easier. |
| 17:20.07 | pb_ | netzwurm: integrating a usb card reader would have been more expensive for Sharp, and brought them no benefit. I guess making life easy for openzaurus is not high on their list of corporate priorities. |
| 17:20.18 | pHluid | netzwurm: No, it wouldn't, otherwise the developers would be doing that instead of piddling around. |
| 17:20.35 | netzwurm | pHluid: (for us) ;) |
| 17:20.41 | dmallocIPv6 | ok, that's it. anyone want a cheap sl 5500 ? |
| 17:20.48 | james_lan | liyang: sorry, wasn't here (my guess: structures change again (which what broke the one kergoth was working for 2.4.19), correct or not? (don't bother with anything longer)) |
| 17:20.55 | mule | dmallocIPv6: how cheap? |
| 17:20.57 | pHluid | netzwurm: It wouldn't be easier for us because it wouldn't work |
| 17:21.02 | netzwurm | pb_: well, i don't want to know what the have paid for the sd-license :) |
| 17:21.09 | netzwurm | pHluid: why? |
| 17:21.17 | pHluid | Because it's not a freaking USB card reader? |
| 17:21.27 | james_lan | netzwurm: I was speaking (or typing) in the MOST theoretical sense. |
| 17:21.30 | pb_ | netzwurm: probably around $10000. |
| 17:21.30 | netzwurm | pHluid: you didn't get it. |
| 17:21.37 | dmallocIPv6 | original price -25% + shipping and handling |
| 17:21.40 | liyang | james_lan: sorry, wasn't directed at you. Just netzwurm asked earlier this morning and I already went through all of this with him. |
| 17:21.45 | pHluid | netzwurm: I didn't "get it" because you're "not making sense" |
| 17:22.30 | netzwurm | pHluid: I don't see any reasons for flaming. |
| 17:22.42 | pHluid | You're right. |
| 17:22.49 | pHluid | This is a call for /ignore, not responses. |
| 17:22.58 | pHluid | ANYWAYS. |
| 17:23.14 | netzwurm | pHluid: I just darned around about the fact that it is no usb cardreader. |
| 17:23.17 | netzwurm | pHluid: :) |
| 17:23.21 | james_lan | netzwurm: 2 things: 1) Zaurus does not have a usb HOST controller (required to talk to most other devices) 2) Sharp would have had to rig that up, in addition to the nice lovely card reader, so I don't think it could have worked and not bulked the Z up a huge amount. |
| 17:23.34 | pHluid | netzwurm: No PDA that I'm aware of has USB |
| 17:23.40 | james_lan | liyang: I understand |
| 17:24.15 | james_lan | pHluid: the IBM prototype has it, and theoretically ($139 + uncertain if the drivers will work) you can get it for the Z |
| 17:24.21 | james_lan | (cf card) |
| 17:24.29 | pHluid | james_lan: Has anybody ever tried one of those? |
| 17:24.38 | netzwurm | james_lan: ok, i agree to that, but maybe i just should add more smileys to my sentences. |
| 17:24.40 | pHluid | I've considered it before, but they're awfully pricey for something that "might work" |
| 17:24.43 | james_lan | not that I am aware of |
| 17:24.43 | netzwurm | pHluid: yes. |
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| 17:25.04 | mule | should I enable Fast Context Switch Extension when building a kernel? |
| 17:25.04 | james_lan | if anyone does, announce it! |
| 17:25.14 | godog | i think the original point was "the sd reader" |
| 17:25.16 | pb_ | pHluid: the ipaq h5450 has internal usb, as does the dell axim. CF USB cards do indeed work in the Z though. |
| 17:25.57 | james_lan | let me be specific: host controllers (I suspect that most people already knew that, but someone might not have) |
| 17:25.57 | netzwurm | hihi, i just attach an sd-card-reader to a cf card usb host ;) |
| 17:26.19 | godog | james_lan: go on, i don't know much of usb :) |
| 17:26.20 | pHluid | Um |
| 17:26.26 | pHluid | Since when does the Axim have USB?? |
| 17:26.28 | pb_ | netzwurm: sure, you can do that. |
| 17:26.29 | james_lan | pb_ you have an example of one working (not a theoretical like the people who were selling them replied to me) |
| 17:26.42 | netzwurm | pb_: just kidding. |
| 17:26.42 | james_lan | ? |
| 17:26.45 | pb_ | james_lan: yes, I have a zaurus on my desk with one in. |
| 17:27.02 | james_lan | can I get the model number and price? :)) |
| 17:27.07 | pHluid | pb: What card? Have you had any trouble with any USB devices with it? |
| 17:27.11 | pb_ | www.interpocket.co.uk |
| 17:27.37 | pb_ | pHluid: the driver doesn't support isochronous mode at the moment, so no webcams or audio. mass storage, keyboards, mice and so on seem to work ok though |
| 17:28.08 | pHluid | Interesting |
| 17:28.12 | mule | ok, that rules |
| 17:28.13 | pb_ | pHluid: oh, maybe I was thinking of the toshiba unit rather than the axim. |
| 17:28.13 | pHluid | So what Axim has USB? |
| 17:28.13 | james_lan | nice, the only one I had seen perviously, was one that was mostly for PocketPC2002 and *MIGHT* work for Z. |
| 17:28.45 | pb_ | I thought the mq1132 in the axim x5 had usb host though. |
| 17:28.47 | netzwurm | hmm. |
| 17:28.54 | mule | printers? scanners? dsl? |
| 17:29.03 | netzwurm | what do i do with that usb card now? |
| 17:29.26 | netzwurm | aeh |
| 17:29.28 | netzwurm | sd-card. |
| 17:29.36 | pHluid | And the 5450 stats I'm looking at don't list USB either. :\ |
| 17:29.56 | liyang | netzwurm: Put it into a USB SD/MMC reader, then plug it into your PC. |
| 17:30.13 | liyang | (Or go back down to 2.4.18) |
| 17:30.21 | pHluid | As far as I've ever known, the 5450 is a USB device, but NOT a USB controller |
| 17:30.25 | james_lan | hmmm... eu only, and should in the us and japan this month |
| 17:30.35 | pHluid | DOES it have controller capability? |
| 17:30.41 | liyang | (what? We get something _before_ you do?) |
| 17:30.49 | james_lan | heh |
| 17:31.04 | liyang | Must be some evil misinformation. |
| 17:31.57 | pb_ | pHluid: h5450 has an internal usb controller for the wifi, though it isn't brought out to an external connector |
| 17:33.12 | pHluid | pb: Hrm. Is there any way to hack it? |
| 17:33.56 | pb_ | Yeah, in principle you could. The signals come out to the internal connector where the wifi daughtercard plugs in, so you could pick them up there. |
| 17:34.23 | pb_ | You'd need to either add an internal hub, sacrifice the wifi, or find a way to bring out the second root port though. |
| 17:34.55 | liyang | Can't be too difficult, it's only four wires isn't it... :D |
| 17:35.23 | liyang | (famous last words, I'm sure.) |
| 17:36.32 | mule | its booting...slightly |
| 17:36.57 | pHluid | Hate when I accidentally eject my SD card |
| 17:36.58 | godog | mule: experimental 5600? |
| 17:36.59 | pHluid | I get so confused |
| 17:37.38 | mule | godog rebuild |
| 17:37.44 | netzwurm | liyang: is there a kernelimage 2.4.18 for the 5500 with sd-support? |
| 17:37.56 | mule | it works!!!!! |
| 17:38.20 | godog | mule: good! i was interested in "5600" part tho :) |
| 17:38.50 | mule | gdog yes oz kernel for 5600, using the buildroot |
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| 17:39.00 | kergoth | mule: worked for ya? good |
| 17:39.19 | liyang | netzwurm: I already said this. Install your 2.4.18 and grab the sharp_sdmmc_m.o from your Sharp image, or elsewhere. Google or something. |
| 17:39.20 | mule | kergoth: very good, it only took 4 days :) |
| 17:39.58 | godog | mule: good! |
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| 17:42.25 | pHluid | Wierd |
| 17:42.33 | pHluid | ftplib *claims* to be installed |
| 17:42.48 | pHluid | ipkg files ftplib shows the file locations, but the files aren't actually there. |
| 17:43.06 | mule | ermmm...does anyone want it? |
| 17:45.36 | mule | http://mulesex.port5.com/files/zImage-2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix.bin if you want it |
| 17:46.07 | koyote | gah/p |
| 17:46.17 | koyote | the weather is nice for the first time in months |
| 17:46.21 | koyote | and i'm at work! |
| 17:46.40 | godog | pHluid: try remove ftplib from /var/lib/ipkg/status and then reinstall |
| 17:48.32 | liyang | mule: could you send me the kernel .config you used? I might give it a go this weekend... (offline. no network access. ;_;) |
| 17:48.34 | pHluid | Yeh, I did a forced removal and reinstalled it seperately, and it's fine. |
| 17:48.53 | pHluid | Now i need to find libstdc+ |
| 17:48.58 | mule | liyang: I'll upload it |
| 17:49.10 | liyang | muchos gracias. :) |
| 17:49.49 | netzwurm | bah |
| 17:49.59 | mule | liyang: http://mulesex.port5.com/files/poodle-opie |
| 17:50.05 | netzwurm | is it possible to format an unpartitioned card with ext2? |
| 17:50.16 | netzwurm | it works with vfat. |
| 17:50.21 | godog | mule: i'll try it as soon as i get a CF too |
| 17:50.51 | pHluid | ERROR: cannot satisfy the following dependencies for opie-mediaplayer2: libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 |
| 17:50.54 | pHluid | The hell provides that. |
| 17:51.27 | mule | liyang: actually thats the buildroot config, the kernel config is same path /poodle |
| 17:52.05 | liyang | (talking of which: I couldn't install `less' either. Says ncurses isn't installed when libncurses5 blatantly is, and provides ncurses.) |
| 17:52.29 | mule | liyang: which feed? |
| 17:53.22 | kergoth | pHluid: -force-depends |
| 17:53.30 | liyang | mule: official/testing |
| 17:53.30 | kergoth | pHluid: our libstdc++ is static, so its unneeded |
| 17:53.43 | pHluid | Ah. |
| 17:54.37 | mule | so how do you install the media player? |
| 17:55.06 | netzwurm | kergoth: what's about that "unpartitioned sd-card" issue? I can use it unpartitioned with vfat, is this also possible with ect2 in some way? |
| 17:55.34 | liyang | If I try to -force-depends, it then says: (hang on) |
| 17:56.20 | liyang | Warning: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies fot less: libncurses |
| 17:56.44 | liyang | ERROR: package less (parent less) is not availabe from any configured src. |
| 17:56.53 | liyang | Failed to download less. yada yada. |
| 17:57.09 | liyang | When I did ipkg -force-depends install less_*.ipk |
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| 18:00.57 | mule | where does the ramdisk mount? |
| 18:01.00 | koyote | I still can't make any flash updater work. official/unofficial/google |
| 18:06.58 | netzwurm | have nice evening |
| 18:08.00 | liyang | later... |
| 18:08.07 | liyang | ah well. |
| 18:11.02 | mule | kergoth: why does the ramdisk not show up in /proc/mounts ? and is it mounted to /mnt/ram ? and what is the device? and how can I find out information about it? |
| 18:16.26 | liyang | mule: grep ramfs /proc/filesystems |
| 18:16.40 | liyang | (should get two lines, cramfs and nodev ramfs) |
| 18:17.00 | liyang | If not, then you don't have RAMFS compiled in... |
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| 18:17.38 | liyang | (but it is, according to your kernel .config. Hm.) |
| 18:17.52 | mule | yes Its there |
| 18:18.07 | mule | where do you have it mounted? |
| 18:18.17 | kergoth | ramfs isnt persistant |
| 18:18.22 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:18.32 | kergoth | ramfs is used for /dev, /var, and /tmp (/tmp -> /var/tmp) |
| 18:18.37 | kergoth | and will be wiped on reboot |
| 18:19.10 | liyang | (and as the `nodev' implies, there is no spoo^Wdevice.) |
| 18:19.11 | mule | kergoth: how do I get info on /mnt/ram? |
| 18:19.24 | kergoth | info? |
| 18:19.30 | pb_ | mule: what kind of info do you desire? |
| 18:19.45 | mule | is it mounted? how much free? |
| 18:19.49 | kergoth | mtdram is a ramdisk that the mtd layer sits on. |
| 18:19.51 | kergoth | uh, mount |
| 18:19.52 | liyang | It's not a device-backed FS, it just allocates memory as you use it. |
| 18:19.53 | kergoth | is it listed? |
| 18:20.07 | kergoth | liyang: ramfs does. /mnt/ram is mtdram, which does not |
| 18:20.38 | pb_ | mule: it's just a filesystem. check free space with df. |
| 18:20.40 | liyang | Oh... I'm confused as to which one we're talking about now. |
| 18:21.13 | mule | well it doesnt list in df, which is why I am asking all these dumb questions :) |
| 18:21.24 | kergoth | then what makes you think its mounted? |
| 18:21.25 | pb_ | sounds like it may not be mounted |
| 18:21.43 | mule | well its not in fstab |
| 18:21.52 | kergoth | then why would it be mounted? |
| 18:21.54 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:21.58 | mule | erm... |
| 18:22.23 | mule | well liyang said it mounted automatically for him |
| 18:22.36 | mule | well what device is it on please/ |
| 18:22.42 | kergoth | good for him. if it isnt in mount, it isnt mounted |
| 18:22.53 | mule | /dev/ ? |
| 18:23.05 | liyang | I don't have /mnt/ram mounted. |
| 18:23.36 | pb_ | kergoth: should take a portable terminal into these meetings |
| 18:23.54 | mule | /dev/mtdblock1? |
| 18:24.07 | liyang | I have /dev and /var as ramfs; presumably /dev is mounted by one of the boot scripts, and /var is in /etc/fstab |
| 18:24.22 | liyang | mule: there is no device with RAMFS. /mnt/ram is _not_ RAMFS. |
| 18:24.58 | mule | I see |
| 18:25.03 | liyang | With RAMFS you just mount, and use. The driver allocates space from system RAM and stores your files in there. |
| 18:25.24 | liyang | Hence the `nodev' tag in /proc/filesystems |
| 18:25.46 | mule | oh, I am talking about the persistent ram |
| 18:25.52 | _ibz | can someone update oz.org with *something*? please please please...hehe |
| 18:25.53 | mule | for file storage |
| 18:26.12 | _ibz | tired of seeing "brief update".. |
| 18:26.14 | liyang | mule: umm... I don't think there is any. |
| 18:26.17 | Zaurino | in sharp original rom i saw there were : 22M - sharp rom ; 32M storage ; 32M ram ; ... where are the last ~10M |
| 18:26.17 | Zaurino | ? |
| 18:26.19 | Zaurino | :P |
| 18:27.04 | liyang | mule: anyway, we only have 32MB of SDRAM to play with vs the 5500's 64MB. You don't want to waste any on persistent storage... |
| 18:27.23 | mule | liyang: it uses it all for ram? |
| 18:27.27 | liyang | Yup. |
| 18:27.30 | mule | wow |
| 18:27.30 | liyang | We need it. :D |
| 18:27.45 | mule | no way, that's excellent! I think |
| 18:28.04 | liyang | the 5500 uses about half for storage, hence the 32/32 (whatever) split kernels. |
| 18:28.10 | Zaurino | someone told me that we can't use more than 32M for ram on 5600 |
| 18:28.27 | Zaurino | hm |
| 18:28.38 | liyang | Zaurino: True. That's because we don't _have_ any more than 32MB. :P |
| 18:29.12 | mule | well liyang I need confirmation from kergoth or trek or someone :P |
| 18:29.16 | liyang | So on a 5500 you can actually get more than 32MB RAM if you have all of your root FS / applications on CF. |
| 18:29.43 | liyang | mule: :P~~~ |
| 18:29.47 | bipolar | liyang: I have all 64Mb of ram set for operating memory on my 5500. |
| 18:29.56 | bipolar | liyang: I use SD for storage. |
| 18:30.11 | mule | bipolar: is it quick enough? |
| 18:30.28 | liyang | (the people who press-ganged me into getting my Z were all on 5500s. I went for a 5600 for the battery.) |
| 18:30.49 | liyang | So I did look into all of this before... |
| 18:30.55 | bipolar | mule: yeah. As long as you use vfat for the fs. Ext2 is slower, but you need softlinks for some libs, like opieplayer |
| 18:31.18 | godog | ext2 is slower than vfat on linux? |
| 18:31.21 | mule | bipolar: opieplayer plays too quickly ;P |
| 18:31.27 | godog | i didn't know that |
| 18:31.42 | liyang | mule: 32MB ought to be enough; that and OZ / Opie is a _lot_ more memory efficient than the stock Sharp ROM (or so I've noticed.) |
| 18:32.13 | mule | yeah its much quicker |
| 18:32.55 | mule | it seems |
| 18:34.36 | liyang | And I'm sure someone's worked out how to upgrade the / add more memory by now. :D |
| 18:34.59 | godog | haha liyang |
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| 18:36.34 | mule | so the sharp rom wastes memory as persistent? am I getting confused? |
| 18:36.38 | Vig | anybody know where I can come across ppp_2.4.2+20030811-1.diff.gz to finish my oz build, it's been replaced on all the debian mirrors |
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| 18:41.05 | Vig | sweet, found an out of date taiwanese mirror |
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| 18:41.57 | koyote | huh |
| 18:42.25 | koyote | I simply cannot find documentation (in english) in flashing the 750 |
| 18:42.38 | Vig | do the 5600 instructions work? |
| 18:42.43 | logiqal | I am having a problem flashing a new Zaurus 5500 |
| 18:42.48 | Vig | i.e. hit on/off and o.k. |
| 18:43.11 | Vig | I think it took me 100 tries last night to get my 5500 flashed |
| 18:43.23 | Vig | hard to only hit C and D without hitting other keys |
| 18:43.36 | liyang | mule: no, the 5600 Sharp ROM doesn't do anything of the sort. Only the 5500 uses `persistent' RAM |
| 18:43.50 | logiqal | When I try to flash the rom the battery light goes out (it was on because it was charging) and the mail light never turns on. |
| 18:44.09 | Vig | you can try what I did to finally get it to go well |
| 18:44.15 | logiqal | so I hold the c and d keys and then "tap" the reset button? |
| 18:44.17 | koyote | holding down the OK button doesn't do anything in any pattern i can find |
| 18:44.18 | logiqal | what was that? |
| 18:44.40 | Vig | I put the point of the stylus on the floor and held the zaurus over it |
| 18:45.07 | logiqal | how long do you need to hold the c and d keys? |
| 18:45.08 | Vig | and pressed C and D (on key with a finger from each hand) and pressed down lightly to depress the reset |
| 18:45.26 | Vig | as long as your are holding them when it trips the reset on the back you should be good |
| 18:46.07 | logiqal | hmm, when I do that the battery light shuts off and the mail light never comes on. Is that a sign that something is wrong? |
| 18:46.10 | Vig | it seems to be a lot more difficult than it should be to get the combo right, probably why they changed it on the 5600 |
| 18:46.21 | Vig | well you probably aren't just hitting c and d |
| 18:46.27 | Vig | that's the problem I usually have |
| 18:46.28 | logiqal | ohh |
| 18:46.50 | logiqal | do I only need those two files (zImage and initrd.bin) in the root dir of the CF card? |
| 18:47.02 | Vig | if you accidentally depress a neighboring key it screws it up (which is very easy given the size of the keyboard) |
| 18:47.04 | Vig | yeah, just those two |
| 18:47.20 | logiqal | hmm, I'll try it again |
| 18:47.46 | Vig | if you have another human around you could get them to press the keys on the front while you hit reset |
| 18:48.04 | Vig | might be easier that way |
| 18:48.13 | liyang | (? You need updater.sh as well, surely? Or is the 5500 different?) |
| 18:48.23 | Vig | no, don't need it |
| 18:48.41 | koyote | I cannot seem to make this work |
| 18:48.50 | liyang | (Oh okay... updater.sh does the actual work on the 5600...) |
| 18:49.07 | koyote | I power off, power on, hold OK and press/release the power button |
| 18:49.10 | koyote | and it just turns off |
| 18:49.54 | logiqal | it didn't work |
| 18:50.05 | logiqal | just to make sure which is the reset button I should use? |
| 18:50.10 | logiqal | on the 5500 |
| 18:50.30 | Vig | it's on the right side under the battery cover |
| 18:50.48 | Vig | forms a short little rectangle |
| 18:51.02 | Vig | it should depress slightly if you push on it |
| 18:51.14 | logiqal | the little rectangular one right above the word "operation" in normal operation? right? |
| 18:51.37 | logiqal | yeah, that's the one I've been using |
| 18:51.44 | logiqal | this is frustrating |
| 18:51.48 | Vig | slighty to the left of that |
| 18:52.08 | Vig | immediately next to the little round hole |
| 18:52.33 | koyote | nor can i find directions on google |
| 18:52.39 | logiqal | yeah, that's the one I used |
| 18:52.41 | koyote | this is really starting to annoy me |
| 18:53.11 | logiqal | is there something I need to do to the zaurus (software wise) before I flash. It's a new zaurus (1 day old). |
| 18:53.22 | Vig | hmmm, my oz build finished but I have no initrd.bin |
| 18:54.20 | logiqal | is there any other way to flash the rom? besides the CF way? |
| 19:00.57 | koyote | oh |
| 19:01.00 | koyote | hrm |
| 19:01.02 | koyote | i have a menu |
| 19:01.10 | koyote | with 4 options, in japanese |
| 19:01.41 | koyote | I would call this progress, but I have nfi what options do what |
| 19:02.41 | fdask | Vig: did you do make image? |
| 19:02.43 | fdask | or just make? |
| 19:02.58 | liyang | koyote: if you can post up a photo, I'm sure someone can help... :) |
| 19:03.13 | Vig | just make, doing the image thing now |
| 19:03.13 | koyote | hrm. no camera on hand |
| 19:03.23 | Vig | trying to do allyes but I have the syntax wrong |
| 19:03.32 | Vig | looks like make image_allyes but that doesn't work |
| 19:03.44 | liyang | koyote: Want to write out the text and post that up? <g> |
| 19:03.55 | koyote | I have a hard time believing ths hasn't happened before, actually |
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| 19:04.07 | Zaurino | HM |
| 19:04.07 | koyote | I cna't be the first person trying to flash a 750 |
| 19:04.08 | Zaurino | i installed |
| 19:04.14 | Zaurino | mule's rom |
| 19:04.21 | Zaurino | i have 32 mb of ram |
| 19:04.35 | Zaurino | and 22m for storage |
| 19:04.40 | Zaurino | mm |
| 19:04.43 | liyang | koyote: well apparently I'm the first person to try to flash a 5600 with a B500 ROM, so there's a first for everything. |
| 19:04.56 | liyang | (but I'm sure someone's done a 750 before. ^_^;) |
| 19:07.01 | logiqal | the last option, read this ... |
| 19:07.03 | logiqal | liyang |
| 19:07.05 | koyote | option 1 seems to boot. |
| 19:07.09 | logiqal | http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?showtopic=5418&hl=flash%20750&st=15 |
| 19:07.14 | logiqal | about halfway down |
| 19:07.55 | logiqal | I mean koyote |
| 19:08.03 | logiqal | that should help with the 760 flashing |
| 19:08.12 | koyote | checking |
| 19:08.17 | logiqal | there is a good thread about flashing 750, and 760 with OZ |
| 19:08.18 | liyang | logiqal: ar. I almost thought someone got a B500 ROM to work properly there. ^_^; |
| 19:08.26 | logiqal | sorry |
| 19:08.48 | logiqal | too many people :b |
| 19:09.27 | logiqal | look for a post by mickeyl |
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| 19:13.47 | koyote | okay |
| 19:13.59 | koyote | I think I'm testing by flashing the embeddix rom image |
| 19:14.01 | koyote | I hope |
| 19:16.19 | Vig | can't seem to get make image to do anything but bring me to the menu config |
| 19:16.25 | koyote | hrm. |
| 19:16.30 | koyote | this is taking a while |
| 19:16.55 | koyote | " |
| 19:17.05 | koyote | Progress 45 of 138 packages |
| 19:17.21 | koyote | Packages: task-opie-minimal --> qte-fonts... |
| 19:17.35 | koyote | and there it sits for 5 minutes now |
| 19:18.46 | Vig | Makefile:9: .config: No such file or directory |
| 19:18.53 | Vig | feh, I'm looking at the .config file, it's there |
| 19:19.41 | fdask | Vig, do you have a buildroot-oz/output/.config? |
| 19:20.05 | logiqal | well, I have to go to work. thanks for all your help. I'll probably be back. |
| 19:20.13 | fdask | a .config in the root dir for the first make, and a different .config in the output dir for the make image |
| 19:20.14 | Vig | can I copy the .config from buildroot-oz to /output or is that totally different |
| 19:20.20 | fdask | different |
| 19:20.26 | Vig | how do you get that .config file? |
| 19:20.32 | fdask | copy one of the configs from def-configs that ends in image |
| 19:20.37 | fdask | to output/.config |
| 19:20.40 | Vig | ahh |
| 19:21.05 | fdask | then make image_menuconfig |
| 19:21.06 | fdask | :) |
| 19:21.34 | Vig | I see |
| 19:21.50 | koyote | my machine is hung. |
| 19:22.10 | fdask | so am I ;) |
| 19:24.10 | fdask | has anyone tried using buildroot across multiple cpu's? like the make -j option? |
| 19:28.39 | Vig | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for libopieobex0: qpf-bitstream-vera opie-aqpkg opie-login |
| 19:28.42 | Vig | so close |
| 19:28.59 | fdask | ah, i was gettin that same error |
| 19:29.14 | Vig | what was your work around? |
| 19:29.40 | fdask | didn't get that far yet. screwed some stuff up so i did a make clean and i'm just finishing up the first # make |
| 19:29.48 | Vig | ahh |
| 19:29.51 | fdask | although i think those things are found in the make menuconfig |
| 19:30.05 | fdask | packages/base/somewhere |
| 19:30.18 | Vig | maybe the .config just doesn't have 'em selected |
| 19:30.46 | fdask | ya try enabling them in the base make, then re-running make, then do the make image |
| 19:31.26 | Vig | that would be the original make I ran right after getting the files via bitkeeper? |
| 19:32.54 | koyote | hrm, so why am I hanging at that task, I wonder |
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| 19:33.18 | Vig | thanks for the help fdask, think I'm moving in the right direction now |
| 19:33.37 | fdask | cool lemme know if it works... i'll be encountering that problem shortly :) |
| 19:33.41 | pHluid | Is there any way I can fix the lack of libstdc++ with a symlink or anything? |
| 19:34.20 | pHluid | mplayer2 works fine installing with a force depends, but dgen refuses to run since it can't find it. :\ |
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| 20:28.29 | signal11 | is there a way to apt-get the arm-linux tools? |
| 20:29.05 | fdask | which tools? like, the toolchain? |
| 20:29.24 | mule | signal11: dont think so |
| 20:30.24 | signal11 | mule: thanks for the info. the only packaging system i've seen for those tools is "tar". 8^) |
| 20:35.52 | kergoth | pb_: need to get my wifi fixed so i can bring the lappy with |
| 20:36.06 | kergoth | signal11: debian has cross chain builds and stuff, but its generally more trouble than its worth imho |
| 20:36.55 | signal11 | i see. i guess i wouldn't trust it if my reliable tool chain was upgraded one day and broke everything |
| 20:37.07 | signal11 | those cross tools seem relatively fragile |
| 20:37.13 | kergoth | indeed. |
| 20:37.22 | kergoth | I dont trust tools I didnt build anymore |
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| 20:40.51 | koyote | hrm |
| 20:41.11 | koyote | so on the 750, apparently some other filename is needed (instead of zImage) |
| 20:41.31 | kergoth | zimage.bin |
| 20:42.22 | koyote | yah, i'm discovering |
| 20:42.47 | kergoth | just read updater.sh |
| 20:42.48 | koyote | I think i'm going to keep notes on this, there is an amazing lack of obvious documentation about these machines |
| 20:42.48 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:43.04 | kergoth | go ahead and use our faq system |
| 20:43.11 | kergoth | add non-oz specific stuff like hardware and flashing info |
| 20:43.18 | kergoth | its a capable db driven system, we should use it |
| 20:43.28 | koyote | I haven't firgured out what search terms I need, and it's not generally browsable |
| 20:43.49 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:43.52 | koyote | but I'm happy to submit to it, maybe if I add stuff, it will be easier to search :) |
| 20:43.54 | kergoth | click submit without a search query |
| 20:43.58 | kergoth | ta da, browse |
| 20:44.00 | kergoth | :P |
| 20:44.04 | koyote | I got errors when I did that. |
| 20:44.08 | koyote | I'll try again |
| 20:44.16 | kergoth | always worked fine in my experience, but if its broken, email the webmaster |
| 20:45.15 | koyote | *shrug* it works now. last time I tried it told me off |
| 20:45.17 | koyote | :) |
| 20:45.21 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:45.36 | kergoth | if you have suggestions on how to improve the navigation of the site or docs, let us know |
| 20:45.47 | kergoth | that tends to always be low priority for devs, but its still important |
| 20:46.05 | koyote | *nods* |
| 20:46.25 | koyote | the faq page is a bit of a jumble, but I think that's mostly due to the stage of things. |
| 20:46.27 | kergoth | we really need a contributions page |
| 20:46.31 | kergoth | koyote: its hard to keep them maintained |
| 20:46.41 | kergoth | koyote: theres a lot of effort needed to remove cruft & the like |
| 20:46.44 | koyote | I'll work on 750 specific doc as I go through this |
| 20:46.53 | kergoth | which is why we need to allow users to submit faq updates or request their removal |
| 20:47.01 | koyote | right now I have to buy a pcmcia/sd adaptor since I hosed the flash :) |
| 20:47.07 | kergoth | i'd rather attempt to offload as mjuch as possible |
| 20:47.11 | kergoth | ah |
| 20:47.52 | koyote | hrm |
| 20:48.03 | koyote | maybe I can do this from cf. |
| 20:48.16 | koyote | I've got 9 or 10 pdas with cf slots |
| 20:48.54 | kergoth | heh, thats alot of pdas |
| 20:55.46 | koyote | I've been collecting handheld programmables since 1982 :) |
| 20:56.06 | koyote | the new Z is beginning to approach the original goal |
| 20:56.19 | koyote | still too much time spent coddlign the machine that is supposed to coddle you, but... |
| 20:56.31 | koyote | we progress (except when we go backwards) |
| 20:58.46 | koyote | it's an endless source of amusement to me that my career is devoted to serving the machines that were supposed ot set us free :) |
| 20:58.58 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:59.17 | koyote | A 16MB cf card probably won't work |
| 20:59.34 | kergoth | heh. if your rootfs is small enough it will :) |
| 21:00.11 | koyote | I'm experimenting with the old /official/expperimental/shepherd |
| 21:00.38 | koyote | figure I might as well be capable of flashing before you put up mobetta |
| 21:01.37 | koyote | ah, the 540 has a 64meg card |
| 21:08.47 | koyote | hrm, apparently I must go Do Stuff before i geek out any more |
| 21:09.19 | mule | koyote: get divorce :) |
| 21:14.30 | koyote | heheh |
| 21:14.34 | koyote | baby is great :) |
| 21:16.16 | mule | yeah, I wish I had one actually |
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| 22:25.55 | fdask | yikes. my buildroot make is trying to mkipkg opie stuff and its not finding anything. like its using the wrong path |
| 22:26.16 | mule | erm.. |
| 22:27.13 | fdask | nows its trying to strip all the ipks it just failed to make |
| 22:27.14 | fdask | -_- |
| 22:28.44 | mule | shit I just failed make too |
| 22:29.07 | mule | trying to make uic |
| 22:29.20 | fdask | what was the error? |
| 22:29.38 | mule | I think kergoth would say it was a host environment problem |
| 22:30.11 | fdask | :) |
| 22:30.38 | mule | ermm...well the error is long |
| 22:30.59 | mule | but ld returns an exit 1 |
| 22:31.17 | mule | around libqt |
| 22:31.39 | mule | in fact its definitely a build environment thing...I think I need the appropriate qt libraries |
| 22:32.04 | fdask | buildroot builds them for u |
| 22:32.06 | fdask | afaik |
| 22:32.38 | mule | but its using /usr/X11R6/lib/ |
| 22:34.54 | fdask | ah |
| 22:36.14 | mule | I know nothing about c |
| 22:36.53 | mule | anyway, getting the qt-dev |
| 22:37.53 | mule | once I have all the host apps working, I think I need uicmoc to build opie |
| 23:16.39 | mule | /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.a(glxext.o)(.text+0x18): In function `__glXGetCurrentContext': undefined reference to `pthread_key_create' |
| 23:17.14 | mule | I get that error when compiling uic. I think I might be missing a library on the host computer, but I dont know what |
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| 23:21.37 | mule | what qt libraries do I need to compile this stuff? |
| 23:23.56 | mule | or openGl libraries? |
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| 23:38.07 | raceme | hi all |