| 00:04.35 | koyote | hrm, that is a good question. the unofficial experimental feeds don't include gcc, perl, or lot sof other goodies |
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| 00:44.06 | fdask | in the docs/BUILD file of the OZ buildroot, there is a discrepancy between cross compiler info given in the Prerequisites, and then at the end of the file in the FAQ. |
| 00:44.58 | fdask | the prerequisites says to just add /usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin to your path, while the FAQ says to add this and /usr/local/arm/lib/gcc-lib/2.95.3: |
| 00:45.29 | fdask | which is correct? are both additions to the path necessary? |
| 00:45.56 | fdask | and even, the second path recommended in the FAQ, doesn't even exist. i think it should be /usr/local/arm/2.95.3/lib/gcc-lib |
| 01:01.45 | fdask | # make menuconfig |
| 01:01.50 | fdask | *** End of configuration. |
| 01:01.51 | fdask | *** Execute 'make' to build try 'make help'. |
| 01:01.51 | fdask | debian:/new/buildroot-oz# make help |
| 01:01.51 | fdask | Generating dependency information... |
| 01:01.51 | fdask | make: *** No rule to make target `help'. Stop. |
| 01:21.30 | koyote | heh |
| 01:21.52 | koyote | is there supposed to be a target 'help' in the makefile? |
| 01:24.14 | fdask | mconv seems 2 suggest so |
| 01:24.21 | fdask | mcon |
| 01:24.30 | koyote | i have no idea what that is |
| 01:24.34 | koyote | I mean in the makefile |
| 01:24.58 | fdask | a help target? |
| 01:25.05 | koyote | I'm not familiar wiht many things offering make help as an option, there's usually a readme for that |
| 01:25.08 | koyote | make makes |
| 01:25.11 | fdask | ya |
| 01:25.28 | koyote | if you want help on how to use make, there are manpages and books |
| 01:25.36 | fdask | i was just being nitpicky |
| 01:25.40 | fdask | :p |
| 01:25.43 | koyote | make help tells make to try and fnd a 'help' target in the makefile |
| 01:26.18 | fdask | the menuconfig prog should maybe have that edited out. |
| 01:27.32 | fdask | how do i generate a patch with diff? |
| 01:35.31 | nerdboy | try -r |
| 01:35.40 | nerdboy | i think... |
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| 01:53.45 | kergoth | fdask: diff -urNd |
| 01:55.30 | fdask | thanks |
| 01:55.56 | fdask | where are buildroot-oz patches to be submitted? |
| 01:59.38 | treke|home | email them to the openzaurus-devel list on the openzaurus web page |
| 02:04.02 | fdask | do the filenames i supply diff matter? i notice they are shown in the output, and probably used to apply patch to the appropriate file? |
| 02:04.32 | treke|home | bk help send |
| 02:15.33 | fdask | need 2 set up a mda |
| 02:16.14 | treke|home | enjoy |
| 02:18.49 | fdask | :) |
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| 03:15.31 | Cameron | NOTE: import patch '/usr/src/sources/buildroot-oz/build/opie/qt/qte234-for-opie091-makefile.patch' as 'qte234-for-opie091-makefile' |
| 03:15.31 | Cameron | ERROR: patch did not apply, try again with force (-f -i ...) |
| 03:15.31 | Cameron | Patch had errors |
| 03:15.31 | Cameron | make[1]: *** [/usr/src/sources/buildroot-oz/stamps/.qt-embedded.sourcetree] Error 1 |
| 03:15.47 | Cameron | How can I overcome such a patching error? |
| 03:15.56 | treke|home | you fix the patch so it applies cleanly |
| 03:15.56 | Cameron | (trying to compile OZ) |
| 03:16.37 | Cameron | treke|home: and this is done how? |
| 03:17.35 | treke|home | you try applying the patch by hand. You see what it can't figure out, then you update the patch to take into account the changes in cvs |
| 03:17.44 | Cameron | (I'm no expert programmer -- just hoping to get a nice custom-built OZ working...I don't have to know about creating kernel patches to do this for the Linux kernel...) |
| 03:17.58 | Cameron | hm |
| 03:18.05 | treke|home | You do when the patch is out of date |
| 03:18.15 | Cameron | right.. |
| 03:19.22 | Cameron | let's see -- I still have to figure out how to do this: The command it tried to run is this: /usr/src/sources/buildroot-oz/scripts/patcher -p 0 -i /usr/src/sources/buildroot-oz/build/opie/qt/qte234-for-opie091-makefile.patch |
| 03:19.50 | Cameron | so then what would be the first step in figuring out what isn't meshing properly? |
| 03:19.53 | treke|home | -f |
| 03:20.03 | treke|home | patcher -p 0 -f -i |
| 03:20.22 | treke|home | that hint is in thhe error message :) |
| 03:20.45 | Cameron | yup, I tried that, now from here: ERROR: no '/usr/src/sources/buildroot-oz/.patches/qte234-for-opie091-makefile.files', can not refresh |
| 03:20.51 | Cameron | What does this tell me? |
| 03:21.01 | treke|home | It tells you nothing |
| 03:21.06 | treke|home | now find all the .rej files |
| 03:21.07 | Cameron | that's what I thought lol |
| 03:21.15 | Cameron | hm .rej as in .reject? |
| 03:21.23 | treke|home | no .rej as in .rej |
| 03:21.28 | Cameron | lol ok |
| 03:22.02 | Cameron | no .rej files anywhere in this dir tree, treke|home |
| 03:22.45 | treke|home | ? |
| 03:23.18 | Cameron | find -name '*.rej' yields no results |
| 03:23.22 | Cameron | no rej files here |
| 03:23.27 | Cameron | what does that mean? |
| 03:25.20 | Cameron | treke|home: There's no howto or anything for this type of thing, is there? |
| 03:26.25 | treke|home | no |
| 03:27.11 | Cameron | treke|home: Then your help is invaluable :) |
| 03:27.42 | Cameron | treke|home: what should I do after finding that no .rej files are there? |
| 03:28.11 | treke|home | you run patcher -s and see if it tried applying the patch |
| 03:29.00 | Cameron | /usr/src/sources/buildroot-oz/build/opie/qt/qte234-for-opie091-makefile.patch |
| 03:29.00 | Cameron | not in series .txt missing qte234-for-opie091-makefile |
| 03:29.30 | treke|home | make SUBDIRS=packages/opie clean |
| 03:29.32 | treke|home | make SUBDIRS=packages/opie |
| 03:30.02 | Cameron | doing that now :) |
| 03:30.45 | Cameron | NOTE: patch with name 'qte234-for-opie091-gfxraster' already applied |
| 03:30.45 | Cameron | ERROR: patch did not apply, try again with force (-f -i ...) |
| 03:30.45 | Cameron | Patch had errors |
| 03:30.45 | Cameron | make[1]: *** [/usr/src/sources/buildroot-oz/stamps/.qt-embedded.sourcetree] Error 1 |
| 03:30.57 | Cameron | interesting |
| 03:32.04 | treke|home | <Cameron> NOTE: patch with name 'qte234-for-opie091-gfxraster' already applied |
| 03:32.19 | treke|home | it thinks the patch is already there |
| 03:32.29 | Cameron | so it seems |
| 03:32.50 | Cameron | then what to do about it? |
| 03:34.23 | Cameron | treke|home: I'm confused -- is it or is it not applied? And in either case, how do I continue the process along now, fixing whatever is holding it up now? |
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| 03:35.19 | Cameron | hi, W8TVI |
| 03:35.32 | W8TVI | hey |
| 03:35.50 | W8TVI | cant seem to find the right board to make my prototype.... |
| 03:36.47 | W8TVI | (portable/wearable linux box ment to run kismet |
| 03:36.54 | Cameron | ah |
| 03:37.03 | W8TVI | be a network secruty device |
| 03:37.11 | Cameron | cool |
| 03:37.35 | Cameron | W8TVI: You wouldn't be able to help me with a patch-error I'm getting trying to compile OZ, would you? |
| 03:37.36 | W8TVI | war walker/remote kismet server/portable AP-webserver |
| 03:37.40 | W8TVI | no.... |
| 03:37.48 | W8TVI | not a porgrammer |
| 03:37.53 | W8TVI | programmer |
| 03:37.57 | Cameron | W8TVI: but you've compiled OZ before, no? |
| 03:38.00 | W8TVI | but I will be one some day |
| 03:38.02 | W8TVI | nope |
| 03:38.07 | Cameron | :-) ahh, ok |
| 03:38.13 | W8TVI | don't even have the build tools |
| 03:38.16 | Cameron | W8TVI: What images you using then? |
| 03:39.19 | W8TVI | I'm using OZ 3.2 and stock kernel 40ram/26storage |
| 03:40.46 | Cameron | 5500 then? |
| 03:41.01 | W8TVI | yep |
| 03:41.36 | Cameron | using a C700 does have its disadvantages... |
| 03:41.37 | Cameron | :-/ |
| 03:45.29 | Cameron | treke|home: You're too busy to finish helping me? |
| 04:04.57 | koyote | probably enough to get me by until a stable release. |
| 04:08.14 | Cameron | :) |
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| 04:21.45 | koyote | so, there's this german guy |
| 04:21.56 | koyote | ports a bunch of gnu stuff to the jornada 720 |
| 04:22.07 | koyote | but there's no man, no docco system, right? |
| 04:22.16 | koyote | so I hand paste stuff into text files and use grep. |
| 04:22.48 | koyote | I am getting the feeling that's my option for this, too. I would have htought busybox would have some sort of inbuilt docco. |
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| 05:10.24 | cyn | koyote: docco? |
| 05:11.56 | koyote | documentation. some replacement for man. |
| 05:12.19 | koyote | sometimes on unix maxhines, people have a desire for locally stored command line accessible documentation |
| 05:13.35 | cyn | i've normally only seen man and info |
| 05:14.05 | koyote | but not with busybox :) |
| 05:14.29 | fdask | isnt there a busybox help command or something? |
| 05:14.57 | koyote | haven't found one yet |
| 05:15.17 | koyote | I'm formatting the html page and pasting it into my Z |
| 05:15.30 | koyote | but that won't help with add ons. |
| 05:16.03 | kergoth | um, isnt that what --help is for? :P |
| 05:16.54 | koyote | well, if it mentioned things like.. oh.. command line switches for supported commands :0 |
| 05:17.05 | koyote | which it may and I've never seen it, i suppose. |
| 05:18.19 | koyote | aha! |
| 05:18.55 | koyote | so, unbeknownst to anyone who has looked ont he busybox website and read the documentation section - where this is conspicuously not mentioned |
| 05:19.19 | koyote | yoou cna busybox <command> --help and get a somewhat useful abbreviated help |
| 05:19.30 | kergoth | uh, most unix commands have --help. |
| 05:19.38 | kergoth | this isnt some spectacular revelation |
| 05:19.49 | koyote | allow me to rephrase |
| 05:20.05 | koyote | yoou cna busybox <command> --help and get a somewhat useful abbreviated help on the specific subcommad within busybox |
| 05:20.10 | kergoth | uh |
| 05:20.11 | kergoth | dood |
| 05:20.25 | kergoth | busybo <command> is no different from <command> when <command> is a symlink to busybox |
| 05:20.28 | kergoth | they're identical |
| 05:20.47 | kergoth | as i said, <command> --help is typical gnu-like command behavior |
| 05:21.18 | koyote | ugh, you are right, nothing more than the --help info. no actual docco |
| 05:21.21 | koyote | ah well |
| 05:21.24 | koyote | back to the pasting |
| 05:21.54 | koyote | of course, everyone using embedded linux will just know what all the commands do and won't need it. |
| 05:22.51 | fdask | heh |
| 05:23.02 | koyote | some seem to be missing |
| 05:23.50 | koyote | *shrug* |
| 05:24.02 | koyote | I'll build my little manpage file. |
| 05:38.52 | fdask | to update a file in buildroot, i need to add it to a changeset first? |
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| 05:52.59 | fdask | hrmm, i guess only if i'm checking directly into the repository |
| 05:57.33 | W8TVI|z | why? |
| 05:57.35 | fdask | do i use diff and bk send together? |
| 05:58.14 | kergoth | bk send creates a patch from a changeset(s) and emails it. |
| 05:58.34 | fdask | so if i have a simple patch i'd like to submit, would i first create a changeset? |
| 05:59.31 | fdask | i'm looking over the bk user guide, and i see how do it and all, but bk send gives me the impression it auto scans the tree for changes, and submits those when not given a -r option |
| 05:59.53 | fdask | so i'm wondering if thats the way to go, or create a changeset |
| 06:00.22 | kergoth | ehh |
| 06:00.46 | kergoth | use bk ci to check in per file changes, bk add to add new files, and bk commit to take all those deltas and create a changeset from them |
| 06:00.50 | kergoth | then use bk send to email it upstream |
| 06:00.58 | kergoth | or use bk citool if you prefer a GUI |
| 06:01.30 | fdask | cool |
| 06:03.49 | mule | kergoth: when I make image with buildroot, I get hossible dependencies with qpf-bitstream-vera. Although that doesnt exist, other packages provide it, what do I do? |
| 06:04.14 | fdask | mule: you likely have a -light and a -full |
| 06:04.15 | fdask | delete one |
| 06:04.30 | fdask | buildroot-oz/output/ipks/ |
| 06:04.32 | fdask | look in there |
| 06:04.55 | fdask | sorry, i know my name isn't kergoth tho. :p |
| 06:12.39 | mule | I tried both |
| 06:12.55 | mule | and neither |
| 06:13.07 | fdask | huh? |
| 06:13.28 | kergoth | mule: remove _one_ and only one. |
| 06:14.05 | mule | delete the file |
| 06:15.36 | kergoth | YES |
| 06:15.40 | kergoth | remove one of the ipks. |
| 06:16.55 | mule | well be specific, I thought you meant remove it from the rootfs configuration |
| 06:18.19 | fdask | # cd $PATH-TO/buildroot-oz/output/ipks/ |
| 06:18.30 | fdask | # rm qpf-bitstream-vera*light.ipk |
| 06:20.47 | mule | :) |
| 06:21.50 | mule | kergoth: but I have the entire poodle build! |
| 06:36.03 | fdask | debian:/new/buildroot-oz/scripts/kconfig# bk ci ./mconf.c |
| 06:36.03 | fdask | ci: mconf.c: no write permission |
| 06:36.21 | fdask | im guessing the scripts/kconfig tree is frozen or set non editible in the repository or somethin? |
| 06:38.02 | kergoth | uh, you have to 'bk edit' files before you make changes |
| 06:38.11 | kergoth | let me guess, you vi'd it, it warned about read only, and you forced the write. |
| 06:38.30 | kergoth | if it warns, do _not_ write. its read only for a reason |
| 06:38.57 | fdask | lol you've been down this path before, haven't you |
| 06:40.02 | kergoth | mv scripts/kconfig/mconf.c scripts/kconfig/mconf.c.edited |
| 06:40.08 | kergoth | bk unedit scripts/kconfig/mconf.c |
| 06:40.13 | kergoth | bk edit scripts |
| 06:40.24 | kergoth | cp scripts/kconfig/mconf.c.edited scripts/kconfig/mconf.c |
| 06:40.30 | kergoth | then bk ci |
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| 07:14.02 | Piete | 'lo |
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| 07:48.09 | _ibz | hi, can anyone send me a copy of /ppp_2.4.2+20030811-1.diff.gz please? |
| 07:48.39 | _ibz | i can only find /ppp_2.4.2+20030811-2.diff.gz, and my build is failing because of it.. |
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| 08:12.53 | W8TVI | night guys |
| 08:14.16 | mule | can I just say that using that buildroot is about as much fun as eating sand |
| 08:14.47 | W8TVI|z | lol |
| 08:15.07 | mule | I need to change the rootfs, is it possible? |
| 08:17.07 | fdask | haha eating sand |
| 08:17.42 | W8TVI|z | no idea |
| 08:18.36 | W8TVI|z | i wish the zaurus had a keyboard light |
| 08:23.44 | mule | yes |
| 08:25.10 | mule | ok is there anything I can do about the simpleinit / sysvinit dependency problem? |
| 08:40.40 | mule | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:42.54 | pyromance | OK This is really damn cool |
| 08:43.08 | pyromance | I re-coded the entire Two Towers DVD to my 340M Microdrive |
| 08:43.22 | W8TVI|z | cool |
| 08:43.31 | W8TVI|z | this is cool too |
| 08:43.42 | pyromance | It's smooth and sounds good, but is a little jagged edged. 18 fps. |
| 08:44.16 | W8TVI|z | im in bed with my zaurus on irc |
| 08:44.34 | pyromance | Sounds kinky |
| 08:44.52 | W8TVI|z | :p |
| 08:45.16 | pyromance | tkcVideo stinks in keeping audio and video in sync :( |
| 08:46.11 | W8TVI|z | this card works really nice. |
| 08:46.29 | pyromance | Which card? |
| 08:46.47 | W8TVI|z | the range is like about 10' shorter than the ma701 |
| 08:47.06 | W8TVI|z | ambicom wl1100c-cf |
| 08:47.25 | mule | the ma701 rules, best piece of wireless equipment I own |
| 08:47.32 | pyromance | Never heard anything bad about that one |
| 08:47.38 | W8TVI|z | but its smaller than the ma701 |
| 08:47.44 | pyromance | mule: My MA701 ws great until it stopped working |
| 08:47.50 | W8TVI|z | ma701 sucks |
| 08:48.12 | W8TVI|z | mine only lasted 1 1/2 months |
| 08:48.39 | W8TVI|z | good antenna on it... |
| 08:48.52 | pyromance | W8TVI|z: Yeah... I love the ability to fit my WiFi card in my belt case without a big thick bulge trying to break my screen |
| 08:49.00 | mule | pyromance: what happened? |
| 08:49.05 | W8TVI|z | same here |
| 08:49.29 | pyromance | mule: Stopped recognizing APs... Even a foot away. Everything else on the card worked. |
| 08:49.38 | pyromance | Even tried it in a friend's iPaq. Same dealio. |
| 08:49.44 | mule | huh? |
| 08:50.04 | W8TVI|z | my case has a biz card holder, and this card fits very nicely in it |
| 08:50.33 | W8TVI|z | mule: mine did the same thing |
| 08:50.52 | mule | wow, did you replace them? |
| 08:50.58 | pyromance | The card would recognize, respond to a cardctl ident, ligts... etc. Just no traffic, no recognizing of APs. eeet broke |
| 08:51.04 | pyromance | I sent it to Netgear. |
| 08:51.16 | mule | and? |
| 08:51.25 | W8TVI|z | netgear told me to get lost |
| 08:51.43 | mule | huh? |
| 08:51.58 | pyromance | http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?showtopic=5836&st=0&hl= |
| 08:52.04 | pyromance | Mule ... read that |
| 08:52.09 | W8TVI|z | becouse i used it with linux |
| 08:55.16 | W8TVI|z | this card has a $20 rebate |
| 08:55.28 | W8TVI|z | paid $70 |
| 09:02.31 | mule | is there a way to prevent the simpleinit/sysvinit clash in buildroot make image? |
| 09:03.50 | mule | task-essential wont make an image because of this |
| 09:04.07 | pyromance | hmm |
| 09:04.37 | mule | if I select neither in the packages it makes ok, but I want to use the tasks |
| 09:05.10 | mule | the other thing is, no matter what I do, it always builds to 23.8 mb |
| 09:05.15 | pyromance | mplayer -zoom -x 320 -y 90 -framedrop two-towers.avi seems to work but it's choppy... |
| 09:05.46 | pyromance | I should've encoded it in 4:3 instad of 16x9 |
| 09:08.43 | W8TVI|z | opiemediaplayer seems to play just finw for me |
| 09:09.10 | pyromance | Hmm ... should download and install. Does it keep DivX in sync? |
| 09:09.24 | W8TVI|z | yep |
| 09:09.35 | W8TVI|z | think so |
| 09:09.50 | pyromance | Heh... gotta steal the CF card from my camera. Two Towers fills it completely. |
| 09:10.11 | W8TVI|z | can you encode an excerpt of it for me? |
| 09:10.40 | W8TVI|z | like lest than 2mb worth? |
| 09:10.46 | pyromance | Not here at work... No tools |
| 09:11.24 | W8TVI|z | and put it on you web server an email me the url? |
| 09:11.39 | W8TVI|z | non public |
| 09:12.11 | W8TVI|z | ar798@tcnet.org |
| 09:12.17 | pyromance | Heh... The whole movie is 340 megs. |
| 09:12.34 | W8TVI|z | dont want the whole thing |
| 09:12.41 | pyromance | I can when I get home |
| 09:12.47 | W8TVI|z | nothhing to put it on |
| 09:12.52 | W8TVI|z | cool |
| 09:12.57 | W8TVI|z | no rush |
| 09:13.04 | pyromance | Well look at this? I added -quiet to the command line and it's much less choppy |
| 09:13.14 | pyromance | I guess constantly scrolling data slowed it |
| 09:13.26 | W8TVI|z | just nosy to see how it looks on here |
| 09:13.59 | pyromance | This is a bad example if you're testing quality. The quality was turned WAY down to get a 3 hour movie on to 340 megs |
| 09:14.03 | W8TVI|z | wide screen please :) |
| 09:14.14 | W8TVI|z | ah |
| 09:14.45 | W8TVI|z | 4 or 4 meg would be ok |
| 09:14.53 | W8TVI|z | 3 or 4 |
| 09:15.10 | W8TVI|z | well... good night |
| 09:15.25 | W8TVI|z | time to sleep |
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| 09:27.46 | mule | I don't understand why the image builds to 23.9 mb every time...anyone? |
| 09:28.59 | fdask | what platform are you building for? |
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| 09:29.17 | mule | z5600 |
| 09:29.56 | mule | and I get a flash write error when trying to writ it |
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| 09:48.26 | godog | ibot: oz bk |
| 09:48.30 | | i heard oz bk is bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
| 09:49.37 | godog | ibot: oz snapshot |
| 09:49.37 | | somebody said oz snapshot was http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/snapshot/ or updated every 4 hours by Navi or this is a snapshot of the bk oz buildroot tree use it to compile your own OZ if you don't want to use BK |
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| 10:54.10 | zaurino | godog mule ha usato BK |
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| 11:54.43 | Piete{zaurus} | hey.. |
| 11:55.04 | Piete{zaurus} | anyone have Gaim workin on OZ? |
| 11:55.48 | Piete{zaurus} | I installed it, but none of the protocols i installed shows up in the add account window |
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| 15:26.07 | mule | can anyone please tell me why I can only make 23.9 meb rootfs images no matter what I do with make image? |
| 15:26.46 | liyang|home | mule: remember when we were discussing the kernel parameters passed by the the bootloader? |
| 15:27.04 | mule | ermm...kind of |
| 15:27.33 | liyang|home | cat /proc/cmdline ; note the mtdparts argument. |
| 15:28.02 | mule | if I had a working z! |
| 15:28.07 | liyang|home | The size of the rootfs is fixed by the bootloader, unless you hack around with the kernel source to ignore that. |
| 15:28.26 | mule | hmmm... |
| 15:28.58 | mule | but none of the rootfs I am building work :) |
| 15:29.32 | liyang|home | (well, it says: root=/dev/mtdblock2 mtdparts=sharpsl-nand:7168k@0k(smf),22528k@7168k(root),-(home) jffs2_orphaned_inodes=delete) |
| 15:30.25 | mule | ok...thats what I have on my cmdline |
| 15:31.13 | liyang|home | (and we mentioned before that you can't change that, not easily at least.) |
| 15:31.24 | liyang|home | You can always have ipkg install stuff to /home though. |
| 15:31.59 | mule | yes |
| 15:32.08 | liyang|home | anyway, must dash. Got a train to catch... |
| 15:32.50 | mule | ok see you |
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| 15:52.50 | SillyZ_WRK | mornin , anyone here workin w/ kitchensync |
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| 16:09.33 | mule | SillyZ_WRK: what's the problem? someone might have ever used it. |
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| 16:13.45 | mule | has anyone here ever built a rootfs with the buildroot? |
| 16:15.01 | SillyZ_WRK | Im preparing to zap an ipaq w/ familiar and am plannin on using kitchensync to sync w/ kde |
| 16:15.12 | treke|home | #opie |
| 16:15.19 | treke|home | this is the wrong channel SillyZ_WRK |
| 16:15.28 | mule | treke|home: tell me about the rootfs build please |
| 16:23.05 | SillyZ_WRK | treke|home: what do you use to sync w/ your linux desktop if I might ask ? |
| 16:23.12 | treke|home | I dont |
| 16:23.21 | treke|home | mule: Tell you about rootfs build? |
| 16:23.22 | SillyZ_WRK | u dont? |
| 16:23.27 | treke|home | No, I dont |
| 16:26.32 | mule | treke|home: any idea why I can only make a 24mb image when I make image? |
| 16:26.59 | treke|home | Because you have 24mb of stuff selected? |
| 16:27.15 | treke|home | or enough stuff to require padding to 24MB? |
| 16:31.32 | mule | treke|home: I have tried with just 1 package |
| 16:31.56 | treke|home | Then buildroot is set to pad the image |
| 16:32.09 | mule | my buildroot/output/rootfs is hugs |
| 16:32.27 | mule | when it is set to not pad the image it fails |
| 16:32.38 | mule | it says 'cant find script pad' |
| 16:32.57 | mule | which seems bizarre |
| 16:33.09 | mule | and the images all fail to boot anyway |
| 16:34.15 | mule | what does output/rootfs have to do with the final rootfs image? |
| 16:34.32 | treke|home | output/rootfs is the contents of the image |
| 16:34.48 | mule | then mine is full of loads of crap |
| 16:35.27 | mule | there are packages in output/rootfs that I have not selected for my image |
| 16:36.21 | treke|home | they are probably dependencies for the packages you selected |
| 16:36.57 | mule | even when I just select 1 package? |
| 16:37.07 | treke|home | Depends on what you selected |
| 16:37.18 | mule | hmm...I guess |
| 16:37.34 | mule | does sysvinit and simpleinit ever clash for you? |
| 16:37.40 | treke|home | yes |
| 16:37.47 | mule | what's the cure? |
| 16:37.49 | treke|home | rm output/ipks/simpleinit* |
| 16:38.01 | mule | ok thanks |
| 16:38.14 | mule | that failed once for me, but I think it will work this time |
| 16:38.44 | mule | is there a way to clear the rootfs directory? |
| 16:39.13 | treke|home | make image_clean |
| 16:39.37 | mule | thanks |
| 16:39.54 | mule | why does it try to run the pad script, when pad is unselected? |
| 16:40.12 | treke|home | because it still tried padding the image |
| 16:40.27 | mule | huh?/ |
| 16:40.27 | treke|home | to the end of the last block in use |
| 16:40.41 | mule | I see, but then it fails to find it ;/ |
| 16:41.17 | treke|home | then it's broken. No one ever tries disabling pading |
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| 16:41.39 | mule | well I did |
| 16:41.55 | treke|home | obviously |
| 16:42.03 | pb_ | lol |
| 16:43.12 | mule | so not no one :) |
| 16:43.41 | mule | and whats with the 'skipping device table entry /dev/hda parent directory not found' ? |
| 16:46.16 | mule | it skips all the devices in the device table for some reason |
| 16:46.33 | mule | yes! it made a 7meg image |
| 16:48.37 | mule | any idea about the /dev entries? |
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| 16:55.33 | mule | what does that mean 'no parent directory' ? |
| 17:02.48 | godog | referring to the mount point perhaps? |
| 17:05.02 | mule | I see |
| 17:05.42 | mule | but how can / not exist? |
| 17:06.23 | godog | mh, google? |
| 17:07.28 | mule | good thinking |
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| 17:21.26 | _ibz | hi, can anyone send me a copy of ppp_2.4.2+20030811-1.diff.gz please? |
| 17:23.23 | mule | _ibz: I dont have that file...let me check more |
| 17:24.11 | mule | I have 2.4.3+20030811.orig.tar.gz |
| 17:24.45 | _ibz | yeah, i have that too.. |
| 17:25.04 | _ibz | but the build fails because it doesn't find 20030811-1.diff.gz.. |
| 17:25.12 | mule | I havent vuilt ppp |
| 17:25.15 | _ibz | the mirrors only have 20030811-2.diff |
| 17:25.22 | _ibz | ah |
| 17:25.34 | mule | can you get the diff and gzip it? |
| 17:26.06 | _ibz | yeah, sorry, i meant 20030811-2.diff.gz |
| 17:26.33 | _ibz | i tried copying that to 20030811-1, but it still cimplains.. |
| 17:26.48 | _ibz | about it being unable to apply the patch succesfully or something.. |
| 17:26.56 | _ibz | nevermind, i;ll just uncheck ppp. |
| 17:35.27 | mule | _ibz: I get lots of patching errors all the time |
| 17:38.46 | _ibz | yeah, but ppp stops the build dead. |
| 17:38.54 | mule | where is the skeleton outline that output/rootfs gets generated on? |
| 17:41.15 | _ibz | erm...what? |
| 17:41.52 | _ibz | is that question directed at me? |
| 17:41.59 | mule | at anyone |
| 17:42.05 | kergoth | "skeleton"? |
| 17:42.16 | mule | aaah kergoth |
| 17:42.18 | kergoth | i told you before, rootfs is the output of installing generated ipks into rootfs. |
| 17:42.43 | kergoth | if you mean where does the base directory structure come from, it comes from oz-base. |
| 17:43.05 | mule | ok...so I make an image and it boots into '(none) login:' |
| 17:43.24 | mule | aah, I will add oz-base to my packages |
| 17:43.32 | kergoth | sounds like you forgot to include the busybox-* packages, or oz-base. |
| 17:43.41 | kergoth | make image_menuconfig |
| 17:43.47 | mule | I included busybox |
| 17:43.53 | kergoth | .. |
| 17:43.56 | kergoth | did i say busybox? |
| 17:43.59 | kergoth | i said busybox-* |
| 17:44.06 | kergoth | there are like 12-15 packages |
| 17:44.09 | mule | yes I know the bloody command, I have executed it 14,000 times in the last 24 hours :) |
| 17:44.12 | kergoth | that contain busybox's symlinks |
| 17:44.19 | kergoth | without those, you just have a binary. |
| 17:44.29 | mule | what is my root password? |
| 17:44.35 | kergoth | there is none. |
| 17:44.50 | mule | then why cant I log in to my z? |
| 17:44.54 | kergoth | if its prompting for one, its becaue you dont have a password file |
| 17:44.58 | kergoth | or you're missing something else critical |
| 17:45.01 | mule | oh ok |
| 17:45.03 | kergoth | which we already fucking know |
| 17:45.11 | kergoth | since we detemined you're missing stuff |
| 17:45.19 | mule | what is base-modules? |
| 17:45.22 | kergoth | .. |
| 17:45.25 | kergoth | base kernel modules |
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| 17:49.13 | fdask | No such file `ppp_2.4.2+20030811-1.diff.gz'. |
| 17:49.15 | fdask | gah |
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| 17:49.54 | mule | somehow the buildroot knows when you are trying to screw it...it always knows >:) |
| 17:50.10 | cyn | it's infused with the power of teh devil |
| 17:50.31 | mule | teh devil, I like that |
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| 18:03.35 | SI-pHluid | Anybody gotten DGen/SDL to work on OZ? |
| 18:04.19 | fdask | mule: are you still working on making your image since last night? have you had a break? |
| 18:05.54 | mule | fdask: yes, thanks |
| 18:06.35 | fdask | :) |
| 18:11.14 | mule | fdask: but it boots!! |
| 18:11.39 | _ibz | mule: which image format do u use? ext2 or jffs2? |
| 18:11.52 | mule | _ibz: jffs2, I use the buildroot |
| 18:11.59 | _ibz | k |
| 18:12.10 | mule | now I have to work out the right packages |
| 18:17.29 | kergoth | mule: is the _image defconfig wrong? |
| 18:17.48 | pHluid | the hell did I put my stylus :( |
| 18:17.51 | kergoth | mule: cp def-configs/poodle-opie_image output/.config; make image_clean image_oldconfig image; |
| 18:18.12 | treke|home | mornin kerogth |
| 18:18.17 | kergoth | hey |
| 18:19.50 | mule | thanks kergoth |
| 18:20.30 | treke|home | kergoth: Any reason we shouldnt just start posting a single initrd for all of the pxa zauruses? |
| 18:21.08 | treke|home | from what I can tell they're all using the same source tree with different configs |
| 18:22.45 | mule | is it a crazy idea to mount /mtdblock3 on /usr ? |
| 18:24.46 | fdask | mule, how did u end up getting your rom down to a decent size? |
| 18:25.37 | mule | fdask yes |
| 18:25.45 | fdask | how did u do it |
| 18:26.18 | mule | I make image_clean and did it again |
| 18:26.32 | fdask | that was it? hrmm |
| 18:26.44 | mule | and then I make image_mrproper, but I'm not sure it liked that |
| 18:26.51 | fdask | hehe |
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| 18:27.05 | mule | but my rom boots :P |
| 18:27.11 | fdask | congratulations! |
| 18:27.12 | fdask | :D |
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| 18:30.58 | mule | thankou |
| 18:34.20 | fdask | i am still on make |
| 18:34.36 | fdask | thats what i get for using my p133 :) |
| 18:35.10 | zaurino | fdask what are you making? |
| 18:35.30 | fdask | an image for my 5500 |
| 18:39.29 | _ibz | ibot: oz toolchain |
| 18:39.30 | | rumour has it, oz toolchain is http://www.openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/, or mkdir /usr/local/arm and extract them in there. |
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| 18:55.38 | Bernardo | hi |
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| 20:34.04 | GpF | <kergoth> use bk ci to check in per file changes, bk add to add new files, and |
| 20:34.04 | GpF | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.04 | GpF | <kergoth> then use bk send to email it upstream |
| 20:34.52 | fdask | :) |
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| 20:54.40 | pasky | depressing to hear for those poor souls who are not permitted to use bk (like, er, me :) |
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| 21:00.15 | mule | why cant you use it? |
| 21:02.58 | treke|ho1e | You have to pay for it if you've ever worked on a project that in any way competes with bitmover |
| 21:07.23 | mule | oh I see,,,you guys do that? |
| 21:07.42 | mule | well if the snapshot is really updated every 4 hours... |
| 21:07.58 | treke|ho1e | There are no recent snapshots |
| 21:08.26 | mule | whats the open1x package for? |
| 21:09.06 | mule | it fails compiling wanting -lfl ,whatever that is |
| 21:09.27 | mule | its in the default oz rootfs |
| 21:09.38 | mule | I wonder if I need it for networking |
| 21:09.50 | treke|ho1e | so it cant be particularly important |
| 21:09.57 | mule | true |
| 21:10.09 | mule | hmm...well I cant get my network set up |
| 21:11.58 | mule | hey, treke|ho1e, I built a rom ;) |
| 21:21.21 | mule | I cant get a network on it, but its there |
| 21:26.28 | fdask | just when i thought my make was getting close to finishing, here comes QT |
| 21:26.28 | fdask | -_- |
| 21:28.31 | mule | its just getting started :) |
| 21:29.16 | fdask | what speed machine were u compiling on, mule? |
| 21:29.34 | mule | athlon1800 |
| 21:29.39 | fdask | oh nice! |
| 21:29.47 | mule | you? |
| 21:29.54 | fdask | p133 at the moment. hehe |
| 21:30.01 | mule | heheh |
| 21:30.06 | mule | sorry |
| 21:30.09 | fdask | by the time i finish compiling, all the src i used is obsoleted |
| 21:30.10 | fdask | :p |
| 21:30.49 | fdask | i have a p233 with the buildroot on it as well, should've been using that |
| 21:31.00 | mule | thats becasue you have windows on your good box? |
| 21:31.07 | fdask | how did u guess |
| 21:31.16 | treke|ho1e | why would you do that? |
| 21:31.27 | mule | typical - so you deserve long build :P |
| 21:31.32 | fdask | :[ |
| 21:31.54 | fdask | i really should migrate this box to deb, but i'm hesitant |
| 21:32.07 | mule | why? |
| 21:32.27 | fdask | a lot of the apps i use are windows only |
| 21:33.06 | mule | err...like what? |
| 21:33.22 | fdask | video editing stuff |
| 21:33.25 | fdask | and sound editing |
| 21:33.29 | fdask | and erm |
| 21:33.46 | fdask | i dunno. im making excuses |
| 21:34.00 | mule | aww...you can whine if you like |
| 21:34.14 | mule | but I miss cubase |
| 21:34.41 | fdask | :) |
| 21:35.07 | mule | not enough to boot windows ever ever |
| 21:36.16 | fdask | the machine i'm currently building on, was a fresh deb install. my first task on it was compiling oz. so i've documented everything i've had to do up to this point to succeed |
| 21:36.43 | fdask | hoping to craft a doc showing people how to take an old pc from garbage, to buildroot success, step by step |
| 21:37.02 | mule | thats really cool |
| 21:37.31 | fdask | the system you compiled on is your main workstation? |
| 21:37.38 | mule | yes |
| 21:37.52 | fdask | you ran into a problem yesterday with graphics libs or something? |
| 21:37.58 | mule | yes |
| 21:38.04 | mule | no, threading libs |
| 21:38.12 | fdask | ah. did you figure out the reason? |
| 21:38.30 | mule | no, but I fixed it |
| 21:38.46 | fdask | like, i figure its easier for someone new to start from a bare install, than take their existing desktop, which might be full of conflicting versions of this and that which can be impossible to track down |
| 21:38.50 | mule | I still cant compile some packages |
| 21:38.59 | fdask | which packages? |
| 21:39.05 | mule | open1x |
| 21:39.11 | mule | mplayer |
| 21:39.16 | mule | liboop |
| 21:39.37 | mule | dhcp client |
| 21:39.55 | fdask | hrmm |
| 21:47.40 | treke|ho1e | not all packages are compilable |
| 21:47.58 | mule | oh |
| 21:48.12 | mule | so it might not be the fault of my system? |
| 21:48.21 | treke|ho1e | correct. |
| 21:49.22 | mule | well I really want open1x which is 802.1x authentication...do I need that for wep? |
| 21:49.33 | treke|ho1e | no |
| 21:49.46 | mule | oh good |
| 21:50.03 | mule | I cant even get the lo up at the moment ;/ |
| 21:50.40 | treke|ho1e | uhm |
| 21:50.45 | treke|ho1e | Then your system is fucked |
| 21:51.01 | mule | heheh |
| 21:51.10 | mule | I can using ifconfig |
| 21:51.23 | mule | but I dont appear to have ifup and ifdown |
| 21:52.12 | treke|ho1e | Then you didnt build it or didnt include it in your rootfs image |
| 21:54.31 | mule | I know... but I did and I did |
| 21:55.10 | treke|ho1e | If you built it and put it in your image, it would be there |
| 21:55.44 | mule | yes, you would think |
| 21:55.53 | mule | let me try again |
| 22:11.45 | mule | yay! |
| 22:13.47 | mule | can I say that oz rukes by the way |
| 22:15.55 | fdask | :D |
| 22:16.18 | mule | hehe |
| 22:16.31 | mule | now I want a 760 |
| 22:16.33 | mule | :) |
| 22:16.43 | mule | what is the keyboard like on them? |
| 22:17.47 | treke|ho1e | usable |
| 22:18.03 | mule | as good as psion5? |
| 22:20.55 | pb_ | no, not really |
| 22:21.13 | mule | is it bigger than psion5? |
| 22:21.18 | pb_ | smaller |
| 22:21.33 | mule | wow |
| 22:21.56 | mule | almost the same size as SL 5X00 |
| 22:23.00 | pb_ | yep. c760 is a bit thicker than the 5000 series units, but I think it's the same or slightly smaller in the other two dimensions. |
| 22:25.22 | mule | wow, now I have to have one |
| 22:25.34 | mule | how much sdram? |
| 22:26.29 | mule | I wish they would come with like 512mb ram |
| 22:27.04 | pHluid | wtf would you do with 512mb of RAM? |
| 22:27.21 | mule | run x |
| 22:27.22 | pHluid | That's severely disproportionate to the processing power and storage. |
| 22:27.31 | mule | is it? |
| 22:27.46 | mule | 200Mhz processor |
| 22:28.10 | pHluid | How many P200's did you see with 512mb of RAM? |
| 22:28.22 | mule | ok but I had 256 |
| 22:28.34 | mule | my 5600 only has 32 :( |
| 22:28.46 | pHluid | Until there's faster processors and more storage, there's no need for that kind of thing. |
| 22:29.23 | mule | well that would be nice too |
| 22:29.33 | pHluid | 256mb split storage and RAM would be nice. |
| 22:29.57 | mule | 512 would be nicer :P |
| 22:30.05 | pHluid | Also, we need something faster for solid state storage than flash. |
| 22:30.13 | W8TVI | 40mb on the Z is plenty |
| 22:30.31 | W8TVI | ram is the only thing faster |
| 22:30.40 | mule | I usd SD, compared to which flash is fast |
| 22:31.01 | W8TVI | what we need is faster interfaces to the flash |
| 22:31.03 | pHluid | Eh |
| 22:31.09 | mule | its all about batteries |
| 22:31.15 | W8TVI | you can get a "40x" 1gb CF card |
| 22:31.23 | pHluid | W8TVI: That would help, too; a USB card reader is way faster writing to flash than the Z is |
| 22:31.34 | W8TVI | yep |
| 22:31.40 | pHluid | So I think there's bottleneck limitations there |
| 22:31.51 | W8TVI | I have a USB 2.0 reader |
| 22:32.14 | W8TVI | lots faster in windows with that... and faster in linux |
| 22:32.35 | pHluid | Heh |
| 22:32.44 | pHluid | 2gb CF card = $590 from newegg |
| 22:32.46 | mule | has anyone got a multi card reader that uses more than the first card in linux? |
| 22:32.49 | pHluid | Think I'll pass on that :) |
| 22:33.09 | W8TVI | not I |
| 22:33.18 | W8TVI | wish it did... |
| 22:33.26 | W8TVI | my sd card is ext2 formated |
| 22:34.12 | pHluid | Does the 40x card actually make a difference? |
| 22:34.20 | pHluid | What speed is the Z's CF slot rated for? |
| 22:34.35 | W8TVI | pHluid, I have no idea... never used one |
| 22:34.39 | W8TVI | and no idea |
| 22:34.53 | pHluid | I'm *guessing* the Z is a 12x slot |
| 22:35.07 | W8TVI | oh.... its about 189kb/s |
| 22:35.20 | W8TVI | that is, more than |
| 22:35.23 | pHluid | Writing to it? |
| 22:35.26 | W8TVI | yep |
| 22:35.41 | W8TVI | thats the speed that winSCP reports |
| 22:36.03 | W8TVI | I'm guessing about 200kb/s write speed |
| 22:36.10 | pHluid | Hrm |
| 22:36.14 | pHluid | 150K/sec is 1x. |
| 22:36.35 | pHluid | 12x cards are theoretically 1.8MB/sec |
| 22:36.54 | W8TVI | the interface itself I'm sure is faster, but not the CPU |
| 22:36.57 | pHluid | So I doubt you'd notice any difference whatsoever with the 40x cards and stuff. |
| 22:37.02 | W8TVI | with all the overhead |
| 22:37.13 | W8TVI | I'd think the same thing |
| 22:37.32 | pHluid | Be a lot faster in writing from PC -> card reader though |
| 22:37.45 | pHluid | Which would be useful if you were actually using a 1gb card or something and moving big stuff back and forth |
| 22:38.27 | pHluid | I lost my damn stylus somewhere :( |
| 22:39.01 | W8TVI | I did that too, but found it in my car |
| 22:39.07 | W8TVI | I dont like it eather |
| 22:39.29 | W8TVI | I use a papermate pen/pencil/stylus |
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| 23:18.55 | mule | do any of the terminal apps take arguments? |
| 23:19.18 | stigger | what do you mean |
| 23:19.43 | tanq | sup |
| 23:20.01 | W8TVI | mule, most do |
| 23:21.50 | mule | including opie-console? |
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| 23:58.46 | treke|home | all qte apps accept predefined arguments |