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| 00:44.04 | munky_ | kergoth`bbl: what version of OZ am i runnig? |
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| 01:10.21 | ljp | version 3.2 |
| 01:16.43 | fdask | haha |
| 01:50.44 | fdask | when a new oz release comes about, i'm assuming it will be available for each of the different Z platforms? |
| 01:50.58 | fdask | (whereas 3.2 only had 5000D/5500 support) |
| 01:51.18 | kergoth | correct |
| 01:51.22 | fdask | k |
| 01:51.35 | fdask | i have an OZ site mirror set up locally now. trying to implement some changes to the download page. |
| 01:54.46 | fdask | is the 3 branch structure going to continue? ie. stable/testing/unstable? |
| 01:56.11 | kergoth | yeah |
| 01:56.32 | kergoth | workflow is unstable + changes -> testing + changes -> stable |
| 01:56.38 | kergoth | brb |
| 02:07.23 | tanq | hrmm. |
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| 02:19.44 | munky_ | hey |
| 02:19.52 | munky_ | kergoth: you there? |
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| 03:28.25 | fdask | in case anyone is interested, i've published a short guide i wrote on making your own Zaurus ROM (using buildroot). |
| 03:28.33 | fdask | its @ http://ffff.ca/projects/zaurus.html |
| 03:28.36 | fdask | comments are most welcome. |
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| 03:36.33 | _munky | kergoth: hey |
| 03:36.47 | _munky | kergoth: i tried to install from the commandline |
| 03:37.13 | _munky | kergoth: exact same results...the thinking screen is displayed and is flashing |
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| 03:37.27 | _munky | its also been displayed for a few minutes now |
| 03:37.49 | _munky | im going to leave it alone b/c there is a chance it isnt locked up...though slim |
| 03:38.13 | _munky | is ther anything to do first? |
| 03:38.27 | _munky | im confused |
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| 03:43.08 | _munky | hey |
| 03:43.11 | _munky | you there? |
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| 04:00.42 | offroadgeek | hello all |
| 04:01.28 | W8TVI | hey offroadgeek |
| 04:01.50 | W8TVI|z | hey offroadgeek |
| 04:02.01 | offroadgeek | hello w8! |
| 04:02.31 | offroadgeek | where can oz snapshots be located? |
| 04:03.15 | W8TVI|z | ibot: snapshot |
| 04:03.15 | | i don't know, W8TVI|z |
| 04:03.26 | W8TVI|z | ibot oz |
| 04:03.31 | | rumour has it, oz is see openzaurus or http://www.openzaurus.org/ or /join #openzaurus |
| 04:03.47 | W8TVI|z | hrmm |
| 04:04.02 | W8TVI|z | try the faq on the oz website |
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| 04:04.26 | W8TVI|z | hey treke|z_ |
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| 04:04.44 | W8TVI|z | dang... I need tab compleation |
| 04:04.50 | offroadgeek | i can't find anything on the oz website or faq with regards to any of the newer snapshots... other than the stable 3.2 |
| 04:05.07 | W8TVI|z | ask kergoth |
| 04:05.22 | offroadgeek | are you running 3.2 stable? |
| 04:05.42 | W8TVI|z | yep |
| 04:06.05 | offroadgeek | cool... I just want to try one last rom before I scrap my wifi card |
| 04:06.14 | W8TVI|z | what card |
| 04:06.35 | W8TVI|z | and I just remebered where you can find the snaps |
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| 04:06.58 | offroadgeek | I already know that it's not very famous amongst many people... it's the d-link 660w |
| 04:07.05 | W8TVI|z | look for the oz stable feed, then go up the tree |
| 04:07.16 | W8TVI|z | mine works great |
| 04:07.28 | offroadgeek | ahh.. that makes sense... I new it was just an idiot moment for me |
| 04:08.23 | offroadgeek | yeah.. mine worked great for the last year that I've had it... it just started to not be recognized in my 5500 with tkcrom 1.0... so I flashed to oz today, and it worked once... then each time I insert it... it shows up as an unsupported card |
| 04:08.33 | W8TVI|z | AmbiCom WL1100C 802.11b CF-Card |
| 04:10.32 | W8TVI | lucky for me I was able to get the store where I got my netgear ma701 to take it back |
| 04:10.47 | W8TVI | offroadgeek: do cardctl ident |
| 04:11.30 | offroadgeek | good idea... let me try that |
| 04:12.59 | W8TVI | whats it say? |
| 04:13.04 | offroadgeek | Socket 0: product info: "D-Link", "DCF", "" |
| 04:13.13 | W8TVI | hmmm |
| 04:13.25 | W8TVI | ok, |
| 04:13.34 | W8TVI | eject it an reinset it |
| 04:13.38 | W8TVI | reinsert it |
| 04:13.45 | offroadgeek | yup |
| 04:13.48 | W8TVI | then type dmesg |
| 04:14.09 | offroadgeek | ok... a shit load of info scrolled by |
| 04:14.25 | W8TVI | see what errors it gives you in the last about 10 to 15 lines |
| 04:15.30 | offroadgeek | honestly... I don't see any errors |
| 04:15.41 | W8TVI | do you have kismet? |
| 04:16.04 | offroadgeek | not installed.. I could pop it onto my cf card |
| 04:16.22 | W8TVI | well install it and see if it works |
| 04:17.00 | offroadgeek | funny... I just removed it... ficked it with my finger a few times (pretty hard)... and reinserted it.. now it's recognized... |
| 04:17.09 | offroadgeek | I think it's just nearing is end of life |
| 04:17.51 | W8TVI | yeah... |
| 04:18.07 | W8TVI | go get an AmbiCom WL1100C card |
| 04:18.24 | W8TVI | thats what I have and best buy has a $20 mail in on it right now |
| 04:19.21 | offroadgeek | that's cool.. I just got two ambicom cf bt cards... they seem nice |
| 04:19.53 | W8TVI | it has just as good of range as the MA701 |
| 04:20.00 | W8TVI | its even better in some places |
| 04:23.16 | offroadgeek | can I ask you another ? about oz? |
| 04:23.29 | W8TVI | maybe.... |
| 04:23.29 | W8TVI | :P |
| 04:23.36 | offroadgeek | :( |
| 04:23.53 | W8TVI | whats the question? |
| 04:24.17 | W8TVI | even with its warts, OZ & opie are better that what sharp give you |
| 04:24.24 | offroadgeek | do you know if bt syncing is posible on OZ? |
| 04:24.35 | kergoth | opie has bt tools |
| 04:24.39 | kergoth | never used them myself |
| 04:25.04 | offroadgeek | nice answer... you couldn't just make up something to make me happy??? |
| 04:25.06 | W8TVI | at least there are people trying to get rid of the warts |
| 04:26.11 | offroadgeek | :-P |
| 04:26.30 | kergoth | me? make something up to make a user happy? |
| 04:26.35 | kergoth | he doesnt know me very well does he? |
| 04:26.51 | offroadgeek | just kidding... feeling sassy tonight |
| 04:26.52 | W8TVI | nope |
| 04:27.01 | W8TVI | offroadgeek: what your question? |
| 04:27.19 | offroadgeek | that was it... but let me ask a (maybe) better question... |
| 04:27.52 | offroadgeek | when will OZ incorporate network profiles (wlan for example) like 3.10? |
| 04:28.03 | kergoth | when someone makes it work |
| 04:28.13 | W8TVI | in version 3.somthing |
| 04:28.44 | offroadgeek | I wish I had more programming skills... I'd definitely help the oz project out... but I'm merely an ignorant project manager |
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| 06:22.56 | carbon | what's the difference between the pxa250 and pxa225? |
| 06:23.10 | kergoth | its 255, not 225 |
| 06:23.13 | kergoth | so the difference is 5. |
| 06:23.14 | kergoth | :P |
| 06:23.19 | carbon | hm |
| 06:23.39 | carbon | ah, you're right |
| 06:23.40 | carbon | i misread |
| 06:23.50 | kergoth | 255 fixes bugs in 250 |
| 06:23.56 | kergoth | its really liek revision C of the 250 |
| 06:24.03 | carbon | ah, k |
| 06:24.13 | kergoth | with a changed name since 250 had a bad reputation |
| 06:24.14 | kergoth | heh |
| 06:24.18 | carbon | i've heard that it's also signifcantly faster... |
| 06:24.28 | carbon | but that could just be buy-our-newer-stuff hype |
| 06:24.33 | kergoth | no, it is. |
| 06:24.38 | carbon | how much so? |
| 06:24.40 | kergoth | because linux has to disable things to work around bugs |
| 06:24.43 | kergoth | 255 fixes those bugs |
| 06:24.48 | carbon | ah, that makes sense |
| 06:24.56 | carbon | nifty, thanks |
| 06:24.56 | kergoth | well, take c700 vs c750 for example |
| 06:25.16 | kergoth | c750 _feels_ faster in app launch time and responsiveness |
| 06:25.21 | kergoth | its most definately noticable by a user |
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| 07:07.01 | W8TVI | nite treke |
| 07:28.48 | fdask | i think my mail light might be damaged |
| 07:28.57 | fdask | i can barely tell its lit up |
| 07:29.12 | fdask | almost looks like light coming from the power light seeping over |
| 07:29.13 | fdask | -_- |
| 07:40.18 | fdask | haha damn, wasn't flashing at all |
| 07:40.25 | fdask | it *was* light from the power light seeping over |
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| 10:10.11 | prh | yeah. written a nice little init wrapper script that will pivot_root to an SD card if tehre is one plegged in and it has a Debian install on it. Oh, it will also install itself. |
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| 11:42.37 | zaurino_ | re |
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| 12:00.17 | Zaurino | where i can find a compatibility list for wifi cards ? |
| 12:01.08 | yeiazel | I know there's one in french on zaurusfr.org . or see the right /etc/pcmcia/*.conf file |
| 12:01.39 | Zaurino | zaurus.knightfire.com |
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| 14:31.11 | pHluid | Anybody tried the 0909 snapshot yet? |
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| 14:37.30 | pHluid | Guess I will. :P |
| 14:50.17 | pHluid | Well that doesn't seem good |
| 14:50.27 | pHluid | It hung installing a package, now it's shut down with the mail light flashing. |
| 14:57.36 | tanq | ey guys.. |
| 14:57.54 | tanq | where would i get the latest compatible flash plugin? |
| 14:58.06 | tanq | and wtf is macromedias problem. |
| 14:58.19 | tanq | its about time to attempt to reverse engineer the damn thing. |
| 15:00.03 | pHluid | Meh. |
| 15:00.23 | pHluid | ipkg seems to be hung. |
| 15:03.47 | tanq | hey when you cross compile.. |
| 15:03.54 | tanq | what do you have to do to make it use the arm stuff |
| 15:04.12 | tanq | i want to cross compile swfdec |
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| 15:15.03 | tanq | ok i think i got it goin now. |
| 15:15.10 | tanq | ug... |
| 15:15.28 | tanq | now to strip down mozilla and cross compile that |
| 15:16.43 | mule | tanq: hows it all going? |
| 15:18.57 | tanq | hard to say at this point. |
| 15:19.02 | tanq | i'm out to get the mozilla sources |
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| 15:41.57 | toolafial | tanq: I'd be interested in looking at the your striped down mozilla |
| 15:42.10 | toolafial | s/striped/stripped |
| 15:42.51 | toolafial | i've been trying to find a good browser for my little P75 laptop |
| 15:45.36 | koyote | links-ssl |
| 15:45.46 | koyote | or use netbsd on it and run links-gui |
| 15:45.55 | kergoth | links 2.x has a gui in linux.. |
| 15:46.01 | kergoth | fb or x |
| 15:46.09 | koyote | ah |
| 15:46.20 | koyote | i don't have any linux machines that aren't PDAs :) |
| 15:46.32 | koyote | I tend to use a lot of netbsd |
| 15:46.33 | kergoth | you could run links on the fb on a z.. |
| 15:46.37 | kergoth | but i dont think itd handle the TS |
| 15:46.37 | kergoth | :) |
| 15:46.42 | kergoth | should add tslib support to it |
| 15:47.07 | toolafial | I'm running links |
| 15:47.12 | toolafial | and it works pretty good |
| 15:47.25 | koyote | I'd love links-ssl and links gui on oz |
| 15:47.56 | toolafial | It seems as tho the rendering engine is a bit slow |
| 15:48.14 | koyote | afk a sec |
| 15:48.24 | kergoth | slow? links in X seems faster than any other browser i've used in X |
| 15:48.28 | kergoth | excepting maybe dillo |
| 15:49.34 | toolafial | dillo is pretty quick, but it doesn't work on sites like slashdot and newsforge |
| 15:49.48 | kergoth | yeah, i'm not a fan of dillo myself |
| 15:50.06 | toolafial | I wonder if I missed something when I built links |
| 15:50.17 | toolafial | is there a parallel download option or something like that? |
| 15:50.36 | kergoth | not sure |
| 15:58.26 | toolafial | kergoth: I just have to say, while your here that I really like OZ, it's what sharp should have done in the first place |
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| 15:59.56 | tanq | yeah i am reading all this hacking up mozilla stuff. |
| 16:00.21 | tanq | i want to know exactly how componentized the mozilla source is |
| 16:01.09 | toolafial | tanq: if the developers did things right you should be able to turn a lot of stuff off at compile time |
| 16:01.19 | toolafial | I'm grabbing the firebird sources now |
| 16:01.37 | tanq | i did nto grb firebird becuase you cant run flash plugins in firebird |
| 16:01.47 | tanq | has to be mozilla i think. |
| 16:03.18 | toolafial | ah |
| 16:03.43 | toolafial | I don't think running flash on the Z will work particularly well |
| 16:03.52 | toolafial | since the flash player is closed |
| 16:03.55 | toolafial | I think ... |
| 16:04.29 | toolafial | I'm not being a purist, just pointing out that it would be hard to port the flash player to the Z w/o source |
| 16:09.28 | cyn_ | yes it's kinda hard to port something without source |
| 16:09.45 | cyn_ | you find that you aren't porting it at all, just implementing it :) |
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| 16:20.30 | tanq | heh. |
| 16:20.50 | tanq | well since i have the source to swfdec. |
| 16:20.53 | tanq | which plays flash.. |
| 16:21.10 | tanq | i cross compiled it. |
| 16:21.17 | tanq | =0 |
| 16:21.54 | tanq | but yes if i can get mozilla working on the sharp then all i have to do is download the linux flash plugin from macromedia i presume |
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| 16:25.40 | toolafial | tanq: well there you go |
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| 16:28.45 | Vig | couldn't you just use konq? it support ns plugins |
| 16:29.16 | tanq | no it doesnt |
| 16:29.35 | carbon | it does, but not as well as ns supports ns plugins |
| 16:29.40 | carbon | that's been my experience, anyways |
| 16:29.42 | pHluid | I don't think this upgrade is going well. Heh. |
| 16:29.49 | kergoth | konq != konq/e |
| 16:30.02 | pHluid | Trying to ipkg upgrade to 090903-snapshot, but it keeps seeming to hang on various packages |
| 16:30.04 | Vig | my bad |
| 16:30.08 | tanq | wekk konq/e does not support them |
| 16:30.12 | carbon | ah, yeah |
| 16:30.16 | pHluid | Probably ipkg being all... well... ipkg. |
| 16:30.25 | tanq | even though konq/e supposedly is the same konqueror |
| 16:30.31 | Vig | yeah |
| 16:30.33 | tanq | i dunno.. |
| 16:30.38 | tanq | but i NEED flash |
| 16:30.43 | kergoth | tanq: remember its kde2 not kde3 based |
| 16:30.51 | kergoth | so old khtml & shit |
| 16:31.48 | tanq | i found a cool ipkg plugin for the eclipse workbench |
| 16:33.00 | tanq | i need vmware for the zaurus |
| 16:33.01 | tanq | lol |
| 16:33.07 | tanq | so i can run windows 2003 pc |
| 16:33.11 | Vig | heh |
| 16:33.22 | tanq | that would be cool if it was practical |
| 16:33.42 | tanq | you could run i from a sd or cf card |
| 16:33.43 | tanq | heh |
| 16:34.21 | Vig | wonder if anybody ever tried running xp embedded on a zaurus |
| 16:34.30 | tanq | heh.. hey kergoth |
| 16:35.02 | tanq | do you recommend any good books on programming for embedded devices |
| 16:35.36 | kergoth | I've never read one |
| 16:35.38 | kergoth | so, no |
| 16:43.22 | toolafial | don't go feature crazy |
| 16:43.41 | kergoth | its mostly common sense |
| 16:43.45 | pHluid | Oh wow. |
| 16:43.48 | pHluid | The upgrade is still running |
| 16:43.53 | pHluid | It took like an hour to install ssh-client |
| 16:43.57 | pHluid | But it's still moving. Heh. |
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| 16:56.39 | tanq | kergoth: its not as common sense for me since this is a new realm of programming for me. |
| 16:57.05 | kergoth | its a linux machine with resource constraints. |
| 16:57.19 | kergoth | running on ARM which implies a lack of tolerance for unaligned memory access |
| 16:59.33 | toolafial | I'm surprised windows even has a OS for PDAs ! resource constraint is not a word the understand |
| 16:59.41 | toolafial | er microsoft that is |
| 16:59.52 | tanq | MontaVista has created a version of Linux to work on Toshiba's TMPR3927 and TMPR4927 processors |
| 17:00.06 | tanq | wow that sold |
| 17:04.56 | tanq | that's old i mean |
| 17:04.58 | tanq | anyway |
| 17:05.39 | tanq | is it possible to take the 2.6 kernel and compile it with arm-linux-gcc and have it boot on thee zaurus without having to do anything special |
| 17:05.48 | kergoth | uh, no. |
| 17:05.52 | tanq | ugh |
| 17:05.58 | kergoth | none of the Z's drivers are in 2.6 |
| 17:05.59 | tanq | i have much to learn about all of this. |
| 17:06.01 | kergoth | a pda is a lot more than a cpu |
| 17:06.09 | kergoth | just like your desktop is a lot more than a cpu |
| 17:06.14 | kergoth | what would you do without video drivers? |
| 17:06.18 | kergoth | or audio, or keyboard, or mouse, or .. |
| 17:06.30 | pHluid | When a Z is booted to the command prompt, and a process is running, and the screen blanks and the mail light flashes... |
| 17:06.39 | pHluid | Is that a suspend? Or just a screen blank |
| 17:06.42 | kergoth | screen blank |
| 17:06.52 | pHluid | OK, so I don't need to keep turning the damn thing back on. |
| 17:06.52 | kergoth | the light is to indicate its still on. |
| 17:07.04 | kergoth | heh, yeah |
| 17:07.19 | pHluid | this ipkg upgrade is taking an insanely long time |
| 17:07.31 | tanq | well i was just reading that he 2.6 kernel is supposed to be great for embedded systems |
| 17:07.42 | pHluid | took about 45 minutes to install ssh-client, now it's on ssh-server and it looks like it's gonna take just as long |
| 17:07.56 | tanq | pHluid: how are you installing it. |
| 17:07.59 | tanq | as an ipkg? |
| 17:08.07 | tanq | or make install |
| 17:08.09 | pHluid | "this ipkg upgrade..." |
| 17:08.13 | tanq | hm |
| 17:08.20 | pHluid | Upgrading to the 090903 snapshot. |
| 17:08.20 | tanq | yeah i wannt sshd on here. |
| 17:08.23 | kergoth | pHluid: low on flash space? |
| 17:08.31 | kergoth | hangs during jffs2 gc |
| 17:08.41 | pHluid | kergoth: About 1.5mb |
| 17:08.56 | pHluid | Last I looked at it at least... |
| 17:09.14 | tanq | hey kergoth are there any snapshots for the rom that will work with the 5600 yet. |
| 17:09.24 | tanq | the only thing i can get compiled is a stripped down kernel |
| 17:09.29 | pHluid | Unless I accidentally installed to flash and didn't realise it. |
| 17:09.29 | tanq | which doesnt do me any good |
| 17:09.30 | kergoth | yes, but nothing i've built. |
| 17:09.38 | kergoth | mule has experimental images up on his site somewhere |
| 17:09.43 | tanq | ahh |
| 17:10.04 | tanq | have there been any code changes in the past week? |
| 17:10.09 | pHluid | Just passed ssh-server. |
| 17:10.11 | kergoth | uh |
| 17:10.13 | kergoth | openzaurus.bkbits.net |
| 17:10.19 | kergoth | "changelogs in the past week" |
| 17:10.20 | kergoth | .. |
| 17:10.21 | tanq | k. |
| 17:10.24 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:11.03 | tanq | kergoth: what do you do for a living? |
| 17:11.10 | mule | they are not on my site, I wouldnt be so bold :P |
| 17:11.18 | kergoth | embedded linux developer at texas instruments |
| 17:11.19 | tanq | lol mule |
| 17:11.19 | kergoth | mule: ah :) |
| 17:11.23 | tanq | kergoth: cool.. |
| 17:11.28 | tanq | where is ti at around here |
| 17:11.30 | tanq | i forgot. |
| 17:11.34 | tanq | i=30? |
| 17:11.44 | tanq | or is it in plano |
| 17:11.46 | kergoth | around where 75 hits 635 |
| 17:11.53 | tanq | ahh.. |
| 17:11.57 | tanq | yeah it sup there. |
| 17:12.04 | tanq | thats cool. |
| 17:12.29 | tanq | i'm a j2ee web developer |
| 17:12.36 | tanq | work in fort worth |
| 17:12.43 | kergoth | ah, cool |
| 17:13.20 | tanq | wel.. my company title is software engineer.. |
| 17:13.27 | tanq | my business cards say consultant |
| 17:13.29 | tanq | heh |
| 17:13.35 | tanq | so i guess a+b=c |
| 17:13.39 | tanq | heh |
| 17:14.02 | tanq | but all i do is java.. i was looking into writing j2me stuff |
| 17:14.06 | pHluid | Allrighty. |
| 17:14.08 | pHluid | Actually finished |
| 17:14.10 | pHluid | Yay. |
| 17:14.12 | tanq | heh.. |
| 17:14.27 | pHluid | and broke shit |
| 17:14.29 | pHluid | awesome :) |
| 17:14.31 | tanq | rofl |
| 17:14.39 | pHluid | system info doesn't work |
| 17:14.43 | pHluid | checking other stuff now. |
| 17:15.11 | tanq | yeah sysinfo doesnt work on mine either |
| 17:15.15 | tanq | not sure how i broke it |
| 17:15.20 | pHluid | Icons do a cool bouncey thing when you launch them though |
| 17:15.27 | tanq | but i use sysinfo.pl |
| 17:16.21 | mule | hey since you are all linux gurus, can you tell me how to replace the character 13's in a stream to character 10's? |
| 17:16.42 | tanq | sed? |
| 17:17.01 | mule | I cant even get sed anything to work, can you give me an example? |
| 17:17.16 | tanq | s/13/10 ? |
| 17:17.22 | pHluid | Hrm |
| 17:17.29 | pHluid | 0909 broke pretty much everything |
| 17:17.31 | kergoth | cat that | sed -e's,13,10', yeah |
| 17:17.31 | pHluid | Some apps stll run |
| 17:17.34 | tanq | of course a little more complex than that |
| 17:17.40 | mule | yeah, but sed -r s/13/10 foo.txt ? |
| 17:17.48 | pHluid | But most everything that was installed on the flash won't run |
| 17:17.54 | pHluid | It boots, though, so that's weird. |
| 17:17.56 | tanq | mule read kergoths |
| 17:17.58 | tanq | heh |
| 17:18.13 | tanq | i gotta go eat lunch.. |
| 17:18.14 | kergoth | heh, figured he might need the syntax |
| 17:18.18 | mule | thanks kergoth |
| 17:18.25 | tanq | hey kergoth have you eaten at Chipotle yet? |
| 17:18.47 | tanq | its owned by mcdonalds but you would never know it |
| 17:18.48 | tanq | heh |
| 17:18.49 | mule | no wait, cat b0rks on OA |
| 17:18.57 | kergoth | tanq: yeah, good stuff. it is? hah |
| 17:19.00 | kergoth | didnt know that |
| 17:19.02 | tanq | lol |
| 17:19.13 | tanq | yeah when i found out i was in aww |
| 17:19.17 | tanq | couldnt believe it |
| 17:19.24 | tanq | they're pretty slick arent they |
| 17:19.29 | tanq | any off to eat. |
| 17:19.47 | tanq | its kind of cool here at work |
| 17:19.49 | kergoth | yeah. like subway for tacos & burritos |
| 17:19.52 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:19.52 | kergoth | brb |
| 17:20.05 | tanq | since i'm not really doing anything i'm playing with the zaurus |
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| 17:25.12 | dade`__ | mmm |
| 17:26.01 | mule | hi |
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| 18:14.29 | koyote | huh |
| 18:14.42 | koyote | i seem to have lost my shapr kernel for the 750 |
| 18:14.49 | koyote | sharp, even |
| 18:15.25 | koyote | is that the same as the embedix kernel in officia;/shepherd? |
| 18:15.30 | koyote | s/;/l/ |
| 18:15.57 | kergoth | config may be slightly different |
| 18:16.09 | kergoth | oz hardcodes the cmdline and doesnt obey the bootloader's idea of it |
| 18:16.14 | kergoth | sharp does it the other way |
| 18:19.38 | koyote | hrm |
| 18:20.06 | koyote | I might as well archive everything I've got currently to cd |
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| 19:11.06 | koyote | so, using the zImage form the sharp site for the 750 doesn't seem to work |
| 19:20.06 | fdask | morning |
| 19:26.28 | koyote | uh oh |
| 19:26.40 | koyote | now it powers off instead of doing a flash update |
| 19:28.04 | fdask | :o |
| 19:28.27 | koyote | ungood, yar |
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| 22:22.16 | Zxcvb | what is going on with OZ development? |
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| 22:22.47 | kergoth | Zxcvb: transitioning to the new build infrastructure |
| 22:22.59 | Zxcvb | new gcc? |
| 22:23.05 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:23.30 | Zxcvb | will the new gcc 3.x be used? |
| 22:23.41 | kergoth | for the base. |
| 22:23.48 | kergoth | opie/qte we'll do both 3 & 2 |
| 22:24.49 | Zxcvb | if you use 3, you will have to recompile things like exult, right? |
| 22:24.58 | kergoth | yes |
| 22:25.21 | Zxcvb | will there be much gcc3 only software? |
| 22:25.30 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:25.39 | kergoth | i dont understand the question |
| 22:26.05 | W8TVI|z | why would opie & oz 3.2 keep scaning for documents on every resume? |
| 22:26.23 | Zxcvb | if you use a microdrive, then oz 3.2 will do that |
| 22:26.32 | W8TVI|z | its not |
| 22:26.33 | Zxcvb | I know, it's annoying |
| 22:26.48 | W8TVI|z | I ony have an sd card and wifi |
| 22:27.03 | Zxcvb | and if you set it not to scan CF (only SD), it will treat nothing selected as having everything selected |
| 22:27.18 | Zxcvb | is that a bug? |
| 22:27.40 | Zxcvb | for SD I scan audio and video files, but for CF I set it not to scan anything |
| 22:27.51 | Zxcvb | opie will scan CF for all file types instead |
| 22:28.12 | W8TVI|z | global was on, and sd off |
| 22:28.21 | W8TVI|z | I just turned both off |
| 22:28.23 | Zxcvb | that is why |
| 22:28.26 | kergoth | documents scanning sucks atm |
| 22:28.36 | kergoth | should improve with the new launcher from recent qtpoia |
| 22:28.40 | mickeyl | the new launcher scans in the background |
| 22:28.42 | mickeyl | it's better |
| 22:28.43 | Zxcvb | all items not selected is the same as all items selected |
| 22:28.45 | kergoth | yea |
| 22:28.56 | Zxcvb | mickeyl: will the new launcher let me disable CF scanning |
| 22:29.11 | Zxcvb | mickeyl: or does it still treat nothing selected as if everything is selected |
| 22:29.20 | mickeyl | no idea bout that detail |
| 22:29.33 | mickeyl | ask harlekin if he ever dares to come back :D |
| 22:29.34 | Zxcvb | disabling scanning breaks several apps |
| 22:29.38 | W8TVI|z | I would like to see an option to turn off all doc scaning and remove the the docments tab |
| 22:29.52 | Zxcvb | W8TVI|z: that will break some software |
| 22:29.52 | mickeyl | removing the tab is on schedule |
| 22:29.58 | W8TVI|z | cool |
| 22:30.12 | mickeyl | but for ... like Opie 2.x |
| 22:30.15 | Zxcvb | mickeyl: how will you handle that without breaking stuff |
| 22:30.24 | W8TVI|z | then break them! |
| 22:30.35 | Zxcvb | need a decent word processor and spreadsheet too |
| 22:30.41 | mickeyl | hehe, we will break nearly everything for Opie 2.x, so it doesn't matter :D |
| 22:30.42 | W8TVI|z | this is linux |
| 22:30.55 | W8TVI|z | not some crappy POS |
| 22:31.10 | Zxcvb | considering wordperfect 6.0 on a CF card |
| 22:31.47 | W8TVI|z | I hate how some programs wont let me browes the FS for my file. |
| 22:32.15 | W8TVI|z | so you have to guess what dir it looks for its files in |
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| 22:32.18 | Zxcvb | any chance of getting exult into the OZ build? |
| 22:32.23 | kergoth | Zxcvb: go right ahead |
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| 22:35.50 | W8TVI|z | its a belkin |
| 22:36.29 | W8TVI|z | stylus, pen, laser pointer, and white led flashlight |
| 22:36.36 | W8TVI|z | $20 |
| 22:38.04 | Zxcvb | any chance of opie 2.x containing an X server (display system) |
| 22:38.42 | bobbyd | Zxcvb: there's already an X server for OZ |
| 22:38.46 | bobbyd | check the packages |
| 22:39.41 | Zxcvb | bobbyd: true, but there is no X server for opie |
| 22:39.51 | kergoth | eh |
| 22:39.57 | kergoth | you can build opie's libs against qt/x11 |
| 22:40.00 | kergoth | and run the apps in X |
| 22:40.06 | kergoth | but it probably suffers from bitrot |
| 22:40.18 | Zxcvb | no, an X server that displays through opie |
| 22:40.36 | kergoth | uh |
| 22:40.37 | Zxcvb | similar to that X server that displays X apps right in OS X's aqua interface |
| 22:40.45 | kergoth | Xvnc + opie's vnc viewer |
| 22:40.46 | kergoth | ta da |
| 22:40.48 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:40.54 | Zxcvb | yeah |
| 22:41.08 | kergoth | we should add Xvnc to OZ so the package is handy |
| 22:41.19 | Zxcvb | opie's vnc viewer doesn't work with IRK for some reason, only the built in hardware keyboard |
| 22:41.24 | kergoth | odd |
| 22:41.32 | kergoth | you'd think itd just get normal qt keyboard events, nothing special |
| 22:41.53 | Zxcvb | IRK acts like the onscreen keyboard or handwriting recognition |
| 22:42.01 | kergoth | yeah |
| 22:42.07 | kergoth | does it have probs with other inputmethods? |
| 22:42.10 | Zxcvb | apparently some software, like the viewer and some SDL software doesn't like that |
| 22:42.12 | Zxcvb | yep |
| 22:42.19 | Zxcvb | alt doesn't work, neither does control |
| 22:42.21 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:43.11 | Zxcvb | 64-0 kernel works nicely |
| 22:43.27 | Zxcvb | though opieplayer2 still has issues with xvid, 240x???, bitrate of 175 |
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| 22:46.40 | bobbyd | Zxcvb: a friend of mine wrote a divx player for the gp32, 25fps on a 133Mhz ARM9. I intend to do a port to the c700 eventually |
| 22:47.19 | Zxcvb | bobbyd: my divx/xvid files shouldn't have a problem |
| 22:47.45 | bobbyd | well I cant play back mpg files at any decent rate |
| 22:47.46 | Zxcvb | bobbyd: 175 bitrate, 240xwhatever, 96kbit joint stereo audio |
| 22:47.54 | bobbyd | divx? |
| 22:48.00 | Zxcvb | bobbyd: xvud |
| 22:48.02 | Zxcvb | bobbyd: xvid |
| 22:48.09 | Zxcvb | bobbyd: no issues with divx 3.x, oddly |
| 22:48.14 | bobbyd | hmm |
| 22:48.21 | Zxcvb | bobbyd: even at 320x240 at a much higher bitrate |
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| 22:55.34 | stigger | Has medium mount been removed from the laterst wox image |
| 22:55.46 | mickeyl | might be |
| 22:55.52 | mickeyl | we're in the process of migrating to the new launcher |
| 22:55.56 | mickeyl | not all packages are done yet |
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| 23:20.08 | Zxcvb | will the next OZ be opie 2.x? |
| 23:21.35 | kergoth | we should have a release way before that |
| 23:21.38 | kergoth | but who knows |
| 23:23.32 | ljp | hehehe |
| 23:23.46 | ljp | I hope you have a release before qt4 |
| 23:24.29 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:24.49 | ljp | do those pushbutton things on the c700 screen work in oz/opie? |
| 23:24.54 | kergoth | no |
| 23:25.02 | kergoth | qt/e+opie cant handle ts events outside of the screen |
| 23:25.03 | kergoth | which is what those are |
| 23:25.09 | kergoth | not right now anyway |
| 23:25.15 | ljp | hmm, |
| 23:25.26 | ljp | how does sharp do that |
| 23:25.37 | kergoth | dunno |
| 23:25.42 | kergoth | maybe qte can handle it, dunno |
| 23:25.48 | kergoth | opie would need something in odevice |
| 23:25.54 | kergoth | to bind events to ts ranges outside the display |
| 23:26.34 | ljp | well, it makes the light come up when I push them, so its getting something |
| 23:26.48 | kergoth | hmm |
| 23:26.55 | kergoth | so qte gets the ts events and sends them through |
| 23:27.00 | kergoth | we just need opie to bind actions to it |
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| 23:39.13 | tanq | that was a nice long day at work |
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