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| 01:20.04 | sinclaird | has anyone noticed the documents tab takes forever/hangs with 99% cpu on a full sd 256mb sd card? |
| 01:21.23 | fdask | i noticed it takes awhile with my 256mb sd |
| 01:23.45 | sinclaird | fdask: I have left it going for 45min and it didn't finish:(, I have debian installed on the sd card though so that might be a problem |
| 01:24.14 | sinclaird | after it indexes once does it have to do so each succesive time? |
| 01:24.20 | fdask | ah. my sd is just mp3s and stuff, ext2 formatted. it doesn't take longer than like 2 mins to scan it |
| 01:24.59 | sinclaird | i wonder if the /dev directory in debian is the problem, What release are you running? |
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| 02:00.06 | treke|home | That will be fixed in 3.3 |
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| 02:35.00 | sinclaird | treke|home: what will be fixed? I am getting the scan errors in the 3.3 snapshots too |
| 02:35.24 | treke|home | The 3.3 snapshots arent 3.3 :) |
| 02:35.26 | kergoth | did he say snapshot? |
| 02:35.29 | kergoth | i didnt hear him say snapshot |
| 02:35.44 | treke|home | The snapshots are all sufficiently old enough to not have the fix in it |
| 02:36.56 | sinclaird | even the one released on 09/09/2003? |
| 02:37.06 | treke|home | Very likely |
| 02:37.09 | kergoth | how many times shoudl we say this? |
| 02:37.11 | kergoth | before it sinks in |
| 02:39.18 | sinclaird | oh i was under the impressiosn 3.3 was the dev release and it would become 3.4 when officially released - so what are the 3.3snapshots? 3.2.5? and where have you said this where it hasn't sunk in? Maybe I am not following the right webpages/mailinglists |
| 02:39.37 | kergoth | 3.3 is the dev branch |
| 02:39.42 | kergoth | but no 3.3.x has ever _released_ |
| 02:39.49 | kergoth | for anything. |
| 02:40.45 | kergoth | 3.3 snapshots are what will be 3.3.something which will be 3.4 after the user testing. snapshots are just that, snapshots of active development |
| 02:41.02 | kergoth | and the only images available are either experimental for testing purposes or _unofficial_ |
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| 02:42.40 | sinclaird | where can I got to find out about getting the devlopment branch and contributing to that? |
| 02:42.55 | kergoth | openzaurus.org -> faqs -> search -> 'source' |
| 02:43.06 | kergoth | why does no one think to check the faq database for development information |
| 02:43.12 | kergoth | just never seems to strike anyone |
| 02:43.27 | W8TVI | use the source, luke! |
| 02:44.08 | treke|home | think of it as a convenient way of weeding people out |
| 02:44.28 | sinclaird | kergoth: because openzaurus.org does not mention development information nor does it link to the lists in an obvious manner |
| 02:45.04 | kergoth | hmm, funny, faqs exist for a reason |
| 02:45.17 | kergoth | maybe for .. questions.. that are.. frequently asked. |
| 02:45.30 | W8TVI | get back here sinclaird! |
| 02:45.35 | treke|home | nah. that couldnt possibly be it |
| 02:45.55 | kergoth | and how is putting the lists under Contact non obvious? |
| 02:46.03 | W8TVI | kergoth: faq? what is that? |
| 02:46.04 | kergoth | funny, i consider mailing lists a communications channel |
| 02:46.09 | kergoth | but hey.. |
| 02:46.29 | treke|home | gah. I want my freaking scummvm to work |
| 02:47.45 | fdask | maybe the website needs a seperate section on contributing or getting src... might be more obvious than a few faq entries... |
| 02:48.05 | kergoth | contribution page would be good |
| 02:48.22 | kergoth | could list various ways users can assist the project, even on how to submit a _sane_ bug report |
| 02:48.40 | treke|home | or you could not waste your time since no one would actually read it |
| 02:48.43 | fdask | sane? like... 'hellp!! my Z frooz! what can i do?' |
| 02:49.00 | treke|home | they'd just post to the mailing list saying they want to help without actually reading any of the currenly available faq |
| 02:49.10 | fdask | true |
| 02:49.11 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:52.44 | treke|home | interesting. You can repartition the c760's flash |
| 02:53.44 | kergoth | well, you could seriously hose the maint menu's flasher doing that |
| 02:53.45 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:53.55 | kergoth | since the kernel in mtd1 used to flash wouldnt have your partitioning scheme |
| 02:54.24 | treke|home | hehe. |
| 02:54.47 | treke|home | wasnt actually thinking of doing that, just didnt even think the bootldr would let you do it |
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| 03:11.04 | Marsupilami23 | Well, I kinda got OZ to work from SD card... |
| 03:17.55 | Marsupilami23 | Anyone know why with OZ 3.2 fdisk gives me bus error when I'm trying to partition the SD card? |
| 03:18.08 | kergoth | because its broken? |
| 03:18.22 | Marsupilami23 | fdisk? |
| 03:18.30 | Marsupilami23 | SD card is new |
| 03:18.30 | kergoth | yes. |
| 03:18.55 | Marsupilami23 | Oh well, that does explain it... you think Sharp ROM would give the same error? |
| 03:19.26 | W8TVI | hmm |
| 03:19.27 | W8TVI | ERROR: libvorbis0a.postinst returned 127 |
| 03:19.31 | kergoth | no, its a bug that only occurs when you build fdisk with certain optimizations. |
| 03:19.35 | W8TVI | is it still installed? |
| 03:19.37 | kergoth | interestingly enough |
| 03:19.46 | kergoth | yes, postinst failure doesnt abort install |
| 03:19.49 | kergoth | preinst failure does |
| 03:19.52 | W8TVI | ok |
| 03:19.58 | Marsupilami23 | thanks kergoth |
| 03:20.06 | kergoth | np |
| 03:20.14 | W8TVI | thanks kergoth |
| 03:20.19 | kergoth | np, again |
| 03:22.17 | W8TVI | heh |
| 03:22.21 | W8TVI | Installing libgcc1 (3.0.4) to ram... |
| 03:27.58 | W8TVI | # sox |
| 03:27.58 | W8TVI | sox: No such file or directory |
| 03:28.49 | treke|home | What build? |
| 03:30.12 | W8TVI | sox_12.17.4-4_arm.deb |
| 03:30.17 | treke|home | kergoth: doing a new husky/shepherd feed. Compiling everything that builds |
| 03:30.23 | treke|home | W8TVI: Use the ipk from openzaurus |
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| 03:35.47 | W8TVI | thats better |
| 03:36.14 | treke|home | kergoth: ehehe. "I hate ipkg-new. It doesn't work like ipkg." |
| 03:37.03 | treke|home | W8TVI: You should have tried that in the first place |
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| 03:40.05 | W8TVI | <W8TVI> where do I get play or something to play wav files from the command line? |
| 03:40.06 | W8TVI | <treke|home> debian |
| 03:40.17 | W8TVI | <treke|home> sox |
| 03:40.33 | treke|home | Pardon me for for assuming you were bright enough to check the feed for a package first |
| 03:40.54 | kergoth | _always_ use the OZ version of a package if it exists. |
| 03:42.06 | W8TVI | I though you guys knew what you were talking about :P |
| 03:43.04 | kergoth | there's a difference between knowing what you're talking about and knowing exactly where packages are in all the distributions. knowing what you're talking about != omniscience |
| 03:43.34 | treke|home | Particularly since we have about 350 packages in the distribution |
| 03:43.40 | kergoth | indeed |
| 03:46.26 | treke|home | kergoth: Hmmm. zaurus made it the weekend without needing a charge |
| 03:46.42 | treke|home | last charged it thursday night |
| 03:47.19 | _Bala_ | did you not turn it on? :) |
| 03:47.28 | treke|home | turned it on plenty |
| 03:52.34 | treke|home | hmmm. wonder if konq/e can be compiled against qt/x11 |
| 04:09.33 | ljp | you turned it on, but didnt really use it |
| 04:10.19 | ljp | uuuuhh, why would you want to compile konq/e against x11? |
| 04:10.26 | treke|home | to use on X |
| 04:11.55 | W8TVI | hmmm... any idea how to get sox to play to a device other than dcp |
| 04:11.57 | W8TVI | dsp |
| 04:13.00 | treke|home | try --help |
| 04:13.47 | ljp | uhh, just compile konq regular |
| 04:14.21 | treke|home | ljp: Konq/e doesn't use all the kde junk |
| 04:14.32 | W8TVI | treke|home: that doesn't say how to output to some other device... and I read the docs on his website |
| 04:14.45 | treke|home | play --help |
| 04:15.20 | W8TVI | ahh... thats much better |
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| 05:37.55 | W8TVI | anyone gotten play + kismet to work? |
| 05:39.37 | W8TVI | imk: you here? |
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| 06:25.09 | treke|home | just need to compile X and I can upload a new husky feed |
| 06:26.08 | fdask | nice |
| 06:34.54 | treke|home | actually. screw X |
| 06:35.02 | treke|home | half of it probably doesnt even work |
| 06:35.26 | fdask | haha |
| 06:35.45 | fdask | ur gonna upload the new feed to the oz.org site? |
| 06:35.51 | treke|home | yes |
| 06:35.58 | fdask | what dir do u put it in |
| 06:36.09 | cleverdra | the Documents misfeature is much less annoying when Opie 1.0 isn't freezing the UI for multiple seconds to handle it. |
| 06:36.15 | treke|home | official/experimental |
| 06:36.46 | fdask | unofficial tree is for non core member uploads or something? |
| 06:37.29 | treke|home | actually, I think I put husky builds in unofficial |
| 06:37.40 | treke|home | ipaq builds go in official/experimental |
| 06:38.06 | treke|home | Not really sure what the difference is, I think I put the husky stuff in unofficial since mickeul put the shepherd builds there |
| 06:38.53 | treke|home | don't look for logic on openzaurus.org |
| 06:39.05 | fdask | heh |
| 06:39.06 | treke|home | half the time stuff is done because permissions are fucked up |
| 06:39.15 | fdask | kinda need some logic to structure the site around :p |
| 06:39.45 | treke|home | that doesnt work well since a half dozen people are uploading with inconsistant permissions |
| 06:40.04 | fdask | hrmm |
| 06:40.26 | fdask | who admins the server? |
| 06:40.35 | treke|home | sourceforge |
| 06:40.56 | fdask | donated space? |
| 06:41.22 | treke|home | It's just a standard sourceforge project |
| 06:41.46 | treke|home | where we use way more space than we should |
| 06:42.44 | fdask | hehe |
| 06:43.17 | fdask | did u check out future download page? |
| 06:43.26 | treke|home | nope |
| 06:43.37 | fdask | http://ffff.ca/oz_website/content/download.php |
| 06:44.06 | fdask | bit of a tweak i've been working with noda on |
| 06:44.24 | fdask | and itd kinda rely on standard placement of files to work right.... |
| 06:44.35 | fdask | which is the reason for my questions of the layout |
| 06:44.51 | treke|home | can you configure the ipaq 3600, 3700, and 3800 all to point at the same files? |
| 06:51.04 | fdask | yes |
| 06:51.26 | fdask | right now all the machine groupings (ie. collie, h3600, etc) will share an initrd |
| 06:51.43 | fdask | if the 3600 machine group all uses the same zImage, that can be coded in. no problem. |
| 06:52.09 | treke|home | hmmm. this is a bit beyond my current mental state :) |
| 06:52.57 | fdask | hehe |
| 06:54.12 | treke|home | too much to drink :p |
| 06:55.56 | treke|home | oh well. off to bed. night |
| 06:55.59 | fdask | nite |
| 07:24.10 | ljp | hmmm |
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| 08:53.51 | Cope | Morning |
| 08:54.44 | Cope | I am trying to masquerade the Z IP from my pc - what shold the routing table on the Z look like? |
| 09:17.24 | Cope | Well... its working, so I must have it right :o) |
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| 12:00.55 | elliotp | Does anybody have Qtopia Gnuboy working on oz? I cant get the keys to work. |
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| 15:45.30 | polin8 | hey all |
| 15:45.35 | kergoth | hey |
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| 17:47.09 | artemid0 | greets, folks... |
| 17:47.29 | artemid0 | I have an ipaq 5555 and I'd like to dual-boot ppc with zaurus... any success stories? |
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| 17:59.36 | mickeyl | artemid0: i don't understand this question |
| 17:59.47 | mickeyl | dual-boot ppc with Zaurus ? |
| 18:00.01 | mickeyl | or are you talking about OpenZaurus ? |
| 18:00.08 | mickeyl | (because Zaurus is a device) |
| 18:04.46 | artemid0 | openzaurus, yes... |
| 18:04.50 | artemid0 | apologies |
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| 21:52.11 | sodre | Where can I find the source and/or headers for the kernel in OZ. |
| 21:52.13 | sodre | ? |
| 21:52.57 | kergoth | uh |
| 21:53.06 | kergoth | how about searching the faqs for ... big surprise.. 'source' |
| 21:54.15 | sodre | darn..I searched for 'kernel source' and nothing came up. Thanks. |
| 21:57.33 | sodre | humm.. that seems like overkill. All I need is to recompile a kernel module, is there a faq for that as well? |
| 21:57.50 | kergoth | our buildsystem obtains the upstream kernel sources and applies our patches |
| 21:58.04 | kergoth | without our patched tree, you wont be able to build a module thatll be usable |
| 21:58.21 | sodre | got it... |
| 21:58.40 | sodre | thanx |
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| 22:15.15 | sodre | is there an ipkg that equals the kernel-headers + .config file for OZ? |
| 22:15.28 | sodre | s/equals/contains/ |
| 22:18.01 | kergoth | not atm |
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| 22:19.03 | Zxcvb | has anyone gotten wine working on OZ yet? |
| 22:19.31 | mickeyl | you're kidding, right? |
| 22:19.42 | mickeyl | 1st) wine needs X |
| 22:19.45 | mickeyl | 2nd) wine is _HUGE_ |
| 22:19.50 | Zxcvb | no |
| 22:19.59 | sodre | wine needs i386 as well. |
| 22:20.06 | mickeyl | 3rd) does wine exists for x86 ? |
| 22:20.11 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 22:20.18 | mickeyl | s/x86/arm |
| 22:21.23 | Zxcvb | fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/ |
| 22:21.38 | Zxcvb | too bad it is still slow |
| 22:22.04 | sodre | Page is closed. |
| 22:22.05 | Zxcvb | and there is X for the Z |
| 22:22.28 | Zxcvb | http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/index.org.html |
| 22:22.48 | Zxcvb | ARM is a supported host |
| 22:23.03 | Zxcvb | it would probably be too slow for anything other than old win 3.x software |
| 22:23.07 | sodre | nice. |
| 22:23.26 | Zxcvb | and OZ 3.2 does support binfmt_misc |
| 22:23.55 | Zxcvb | not sure if 64MB and no swap would be enough for both wine and the CPU emulation though |
| 22:24.11 | sodre | probably not. |
| 22:24.56 | Zxcvb | I tried to make wabi work, but it says "can not get current directory", hopefully it will be fixed |
| 22:26.07 | Zxcvb | that is on my p4 1.6, 512MB laptop |
| 22:26.21 | Zxcvb | I figured wabi's win 3.1 support would use less resources, if it can be made to work |
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| 22:47.53 | gecko_fi | hi ho |
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