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09:55.41ShALLaX|Laptopwhich sharp rom do i need in order to rip jeode, opera and hancom office?
10:00.45ShALLaX|Laptophmm looks like 3.1
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11:45.08ShALLaX|Laptopok.. so jeode and hancom office dont work at all in OZ
11:50.06TwiunShALLaX|Laptop: what is the error you got?
11:50.18Twiunit helps if you qualify your statements with some details
11:52.28ShALLaX|Laptopheh
11:52.34ShALLaX|Laptopive been working for 3 hours on it
11:52.41ShALLaX|Laptopand the error will hardly help you
11:52.45ShALLaX|Laptopwith all hancom apps i get
11:53.06ShALLaX|Laptop"Could not start the application hancomxxxxx"
11:53.18ShALLaX|Laptopand with jeode, when i try launching a demo, i get nothing
11:53.30ShALLaX|Laptopive tried ripping them from my original rom
11:53.40ShALLaX|Laptopand ive tried using the original ipks from the sharp CD
11:54.30Twiunget hold of ldd and run that on the evm executable
11:54.40TwiunI imagine you'll be missing a few libs
11:55.00ShALLaX|Laptopldd, evm?
11:56.28TwiunOZ isn't ready, really, for people who aren't comfortable with the linux command line :(
11:56.39ShALLaX|Laptopi am comfortable with it
11:56.44ShALLaX|Laptopive never heard of ldd or evm though
11:56.49Twiunldd should be familiar then
11:56.56Twiunevm is the name of the jeode executable
11:57.23ShALLaX|Laptoplol, ive had my Z about 24 hours
11:57.23ShALLaX|Laptopand ive only just tried using jeode
11:57.23Twiunldd is a shell script that shows all the library dependencies of a dynamic executable
11:57.35Twiunhence why you should be familiar with it - it's present on all the linux system I've used
11:57.42Twiun(except embedded ones of course)
11:57.46ShALLaX|Laptopive never had the need to use it
11:58.05ShALLaX|Laptopi ported gentoo to the xbox, so i do know what im doing most of the time heh
11:58.19ShALLaX|Laptopis there any point in jeode
11:58.31Twiunnot if you don't plan on using java apps
11:58.41ShALLaX|Laptopive not actually come across any java apps
11:59.35Twiunnot looked at the zaurus software index?
12:01.23ShALLaX|Laptopugh, i need an SD card
12:01.33ShALLaX|Laptopactually, ive heard bad things about SD
12:01.39ShALLaX|Laptopand that MMC is better
12:01.44ShALLaX|Laptop(sd corrupts)
12:01.46ShALLaX|Laptopis this true?
12:02.14Twiunno idea about corruption - but MMC is more likely to work on newer linux kernels anyway
12:02.35Twiunthe SD specs aren't available to open source developers
12:02.43Twiununless they pay and sign NDAs
12:02.50Twiunwhich say they can't release sources
12:02.51ShALLaX|Laptopyeah
12:03.42ShALLaX|Laptophmm.. Waba/vm
12:03.44ShALLaX|Laptopjava vm
12:03.51ShALLaX|Laptopwould that be a replacement for jeode?
12:04.05Twiunit's not a drop-in replacement, no
12:04.21Twiunbelieve me, if there was a drop-in replacement, OZ would have it as standard
12:04.36ShALLaX|Laptopheh
12:08.19ShALLaX|Laptophmm well, at least opera works
12:09.26ShALLaX|Laptopis it sane/safe to move /opt /home and /root to /mnt/ram then relink them to / ?
12:11.21Twiunthat's purely up to you - I personally wouldn't put system-critical files on the ramdisk
12:11.30ShALLaX|Laptopheh
12:11.58ShALLaX|Laptopfor now, its the only way i can actually have some storage space
12:12.20ShALLaX|Laptopinstalling certain ipkgs to "ram" doesnt work as they dont get linked properly
12:15.36Twiunhave you used ipkg-link from the command line, or updated aqpkg?
12:15.58Twiunif an ipk doesn't work from arbitrary locations, it needs to be fixed
12:16.13ShALLaX|Laptopi looked into ipkg-link, but i guess i misunderstood what its function was
12:16.19Twiunmost ipks have a maintainer as well
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12:17.02Twiunipkg-link uses the ipkg db to relink packages files from their mount points to the standard locations - it only creats softlinks
12:17.13Twiuns/creats/creates/
12:17.51ShALLaX|Laptopall, i thought it just linked packages to particular installation locations
12:17.58ShALLaX|Laptopi.e. link nano to always install to ram
12:18.02ShALLaX|Laptopheh
12:18.42Twiunnope... ipkg installs them to whatever mount point and ipkg-link is used to create a symlink from the standard location to that file
12:18.59Twiunbtw, I've updated the fbawt screenshots with a more recent one
12:19.04ShALLaX|Laptopaaah that solves my problems
12:19.07ShALLaX|Laptopcool
12:21.21ShALLaX|Laptopwow, that rules :D
12:22.48ShALLaX|Laptopheh, this bowl of pasta is the first thing ive eaten other than g
12:22.51ShALLaX|Laptopgrapes in a week
12:25.25Twiunnice ;) been in hospital?
12:27.04ShALLaX|Laptopnah
12:27.06ShALLaX|Laptopgot the flu
12:27.06ShALLaX|Laptop:\
12:27.10TwiunAhhhh
12:27.17Twiunbeen there, nasty
12:27.29ShALLaX|Laptopvery .. especially with asthma
12:28.12ShALLaX|Laptophmm, is it possible to reflash the rom with a software app
12:28.21ShALLaX|Laptopor do i have to keep holdin c, d, reset
12:28.54Twiunit's _possible_ but not advised
12:28.57ShALLaX|Laptophehe
12:29.08Twiunthat's why no apps do it atm
12:29.24ShALLaX|Laptopcan you actually break your Z by badflashing it?
12:29.38ShALLaX|Laptopi noticed in the 3.xx roms, Sharp put in a flashing app
12:30.05Twiundepends what you flash it with - the sharp roms always include the bootloader - which can obviously brick you Z if incorrectly flashed
12:30.20TwiunOZ doesn't - so even with a bad flash you can recover it with a CF card
12:30.36Twiunwith Shar's you have to send it to them to fix
12:30.44Twiuns/Shar's/Sharp's/
12:31.00ShALLaX|Laptopdamn :o
12:31.17ShALLaX|Laptopthats pretty bad
12:31.27ShALLaX|Laptopyou cant even reflash with "ospack" to restore the bootloader?
12:32.33ShALLaX|Laptoppfft, and they had to pick the hardest key combo to flash :\
12:34.41Twiunyou do have to consider that it's supposed to be an exceptional action
12:34.57Twiunthe C7x0 are supposed to have an easier flashing procedure
12:35.15ShALLaX|Laptophmm, not really.. if youre a linux user its the _only_ way to flash
12:35.20ShALLaX|Laptopat least in the 2.x roms
12:35.46Twiunno, from a consumer perspective, flashing a PDA isn't something normal
12:35.47ShALLaX|Laptopyeah C7x0 is like a 10 step proceedure apparently
12:36.06ShALLaX|Laptopheh, the whole reason i bought the Z was to reflash it to OZ
12:36.57ShALLaX|Laptopalso, im sure i read somewhere that it was a metal case
12:37.12TwiunHah!
12:37.14ShALLaX|Laptopjust goes to show how perceptive some people are
12:38.06TwiunI wonder how long it's going to take Sharp to stick that 3d tech into C7x0 models ;)
12:38.48ShALLaX|Laptopi wonder how long its gonna take until i can afford a C7x0
12:38.51ShALLaX|Laptop:P
12:39.17Twiun2 to 3 months
12:39.20ShALLaX|Laptophah
12:41.01ShALLaX|Laptopim afraid to use my Z without a screen protector
12:41.02ShALLaX|Laptop:\
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12:41.50Twiunmine's been fine without
12:42.07TwiunHad the 5000d since they came out in 2001 ;)
12:42.09ShALLaX|Laptopfingerprints, grease and spit marks annoy me
12:42.11CatalanHello! , Is anybody use bluetooth serial card ?
12:42.13ShALLaX|Laptopim sure if i show people it
12:42.18ShALLaX|Laptopit will get covered in them
12:42.40TwiunI walk around with a lens cloth and cleaner, so it's no problem for me
12:42.44ShALLaX|Laptophehe
12:42.47ShALLaX|Laptopoh wow
12:42.56ShALLaX|Laptopthe stylus can be disassembled
12:43.17Twiunyou've got a 5500 then?
12:43.23ShALLaX|Laptopyeah
12:43.24ShALLaX|Laptop:P
12:43.30Twiunbah, rich people
12:43.34ShALLaX|Laptopheh
12:43.34Twiunall the same :)
12:43.35ShALLaX|Laptop£159
12:43.37ShALLaX|Laptopebay
12:43.42Twiunargh
12:43.45ShALLaX|Laptop:P
12:43.53Twiun5000d on release 359GBP
12:44.00ShALLaX|Laptopyep :)
12:44.17ShALLaX|Laptopnah
12:44.17ShALLaX|Laptopyoure a pioneer
12:44.22ShALLaX|Laptopthe scene needed people like you
12:44.34ShALLaX|Laptopi usually join things late
12:44.39ShALLaX|Laptopxbox £300 on launch
12:44.42ShALLaX|Laptopi got it for £129
12:44.43ShALLaX|Laptop:P
12:44.51TwiunI begin to see a pattern
12:44.55ShALLaX|Laptopbest thing i ever bought
12:45.01ShALLaX|Laptopbought one.. made gentoo for it
12:45.05ShALLaX|Laptopgot 2 more donated to me
12:45.09ShALLaX|Laptopnow i have 1 as a permanent server
12:45.12ShALLaX|Laptopgave 1 to my brothr
12:45.20ShALLaX|Laptopand i use the other for gaming/ media streaming :)
12:45.41ShALLaX|Laptopironically, it streams media from my xbox server :D
12:45.59ShALLaX|Laptopgreat thing is, MS loses money for each one you buy
12:46.48ShALLaX|Laptophmm.. i wonder if this "New Yankee Workshop" guy can actually do anything without needing powertools
12:47.17ShALLaX|Laptoplol, ive flashed so much within the past day, ive probably halved the life of my Z
12:48.11Twiunnah - I did a bit of kernel dev - flashed the Z a good 150 times
12:48.28ShALLaX|Laptopphew ;)
12:48.41ShALLaX|Laptopactually.. i think this eeprom type is good for a minimum of 100,000
12:49.06Twiunyeah - we're fine
12:49.18Twiunkergoth is probably going to fry his soon ;)
12:49.24ShALLaX|Laptopheheh
12:49.43ShALLaX|Laptopyoud think sharp would buy all the devs new ones when that happens
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12:50.27ShALLaX|Laptopwhat exactly is the OZ mascott
12:50.34ShALLaX|Laptopit look like a dragon dinosaur penguin
12:50.34ShALLaX|Laptop:P
12:50.42Twiunthat's what it is
12:50.59ShALLaX|Laptopfair enough
12:51.01Twiunit's related to Sharp's Japanese advertising campain
12:51.07Twiunwhen they launched the 5000d
12:51.11ShALLaX|Laptopis it stored in the kernel image?
12:51.26Twiunyup - it's a kernel patch
12:51.44ShALLaX|Laptopits pretty neat
12:51.52Twiunonly one problem
12:52.02Twiunwe've lost the original vector artwork
12:52.08ShALLaX|Laptopdoh!
12:52.14ShALLaX|Laptophowd that happen
12:52.27Twiunthe designer had hdd problems :(
12:52.30ShALLaX|Laptop:(
12:55.01ShALLaX|Laptopoh wow.. opera beats the crap out of konqueror
12:56.15Twiunspeed/usability/what?
12:56.51ShALLaX|Laptopfeatures
12:57.15ShALLaX|Laptophmm it seems worse at rendering though
12:57.37Twiunibot: seen tronical
12:57.38tronical is currently on #openembedded
12:57.46Twiunibot: heard tronical
12:57.47Twiun: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ?
12:57.51Twiunhrm
12:58.03ShALLaX|Laptopheh
12:58.33Twiunhe's the konq/e developer
12:58.45ShALLaX|Laptop;)
12:59.01ShALLaX|Laptopim just amazed at how much faster this is than my SH3 jornada
13:00.14ShALLaX|Laptophttp://info.shallax.com
13:00.14ShALLaX|Laptop:)
13:00.27ShALLaX|Laptoprunning pretty cool :D
13:01.09Twiunyeah
13:02.06ShALLaX|Laptopi made a prog that changes the fan speed depending on system temperature
13:02.23Twiunsounds good
13:03.04ShALLaX|Laptopnow, go buy me an MMC card :D
13:03.16Twiunhah
13:03.27Twiunyou can get yourself one, just like I did ;)
13:03.31ShALLaX|Laptopdoes ipkg use the "dest" list in order?
13:03.36Twiungot mine from komplett.co.uk
13:03.43Twiunno idea
13:03.58ShALLaX|Laptoponly one way to find out
13:03.59ShALLaX|Laptopheh
13:04.17ShALLaX|Laptopany reason not to use bash?
13:04.47Twiunsize
13:04.56Twiunbusybox is much smaller
13:05.01ShALLaX|Laptophmm
13:05.38ShALLaX|Laptopwhich is less stable, testing or unstable
13:06.09Twiununstable iirc
13:06.14ShALLaX|Laptop;)
13:06.35ShALLaX|Laptopmmm mplayer
13:08.48ShALLaX|Laptophmm theres a problem, installed mplayer to "ram" it also installed some libs to "ram"
13:08.56ShALLaX|Laptopso now i come up with dependency issues
13:09.17Twiunjust symlink them to their appropriate root directories
13:09.17ShALLaX|Laptophow do i list installed packages
13:09.32Twiunipkg --help should say (or was it ipkg -help)
13:09.33jdh41would ipkg-link do it?
13:09.41Twiunjdh41: it _should_
13:11.03ShALLaX|Laptopyeah, i just need to find the package name
13:11.04ShALLaX|Laptop;)
13:11.48ShALLaX|Laptopcant seem to find the switch to list installed packages
13:14.16ShALLaX|Laptopmeh, ipkg info mplayer lists deps
13:14.19ShALLaX|Laptopso that solves that
13:14.24Twiuntry "ipkg list" also
13:14.37ShALLaX|Laptoplist just shows everything from your feeds, i thought
13:15.01TwiunI thought it was installed ipks
13:15.38ShALLaX|Laptopdont think so
13:16.01ShALLaX|Laptopim gettin to grips with this
13:16.04ShALLaX|Laptopipkg-link is great
13:16.19ShALLaX|Laptopbefore i was jsut movin opt to "ram"
13:16.20ShALLaX|Laptopthen relinking
13:16.55Twiunthat's why ipkg-link was born
13:18.01ShALLaX|Laptop;)
13:18.19ShALLaX|Laptopim soooo glad someone ported nano
13:18.34Twiunnot a vi fan then?
13:18.37ShALLaX|Laptopgod no
13:18.44ShALLaX|Laptophheh
13:19.06ShALLaX|Laptopheheh, i never thought id be sshing into my pda :P
13:20.51Twiunvery useful for development
13:21.07ShALLaX|Laptopindeed
13:22.50ShALLaX|Laptopwow keypebble is really really good
13:26.17ShALLaX|Laptopis there anything like gaim available for OZ?
13:27.18yeiazelerrr
13:27.19yeiazelgaim
13:27.20yeiazel:)
13:27.23ShALLaX|Laptoplol
13:27.24ShALLaX|Laptopwhere
13:27.25Twiungaim is available for the Zaurus ;)
13:27.35yeiazelyou'll find it somewhere on the net
13:27.47Twiunsearch ZSI
13:27.52ShALLaX|Laptophmm
13:27.55ShALLaX|Laptopgaim for qtopia
13:27.57ShALLaX|Laptopon zsi
13:28.05yeiazelit's the same
13:28.07ShALLaX|Laptopthat should do
13:28.07ShALLaX|Laptop;)_
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13:33.15ShALLaX|Laptopwahoo
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13:41.32ShALLaX|Zaurus:)
13:42.42ShALLaX|Zaurushehe
13:43.13ShALLaX|Zaurusany console based clients
13:46.22ShALLaX|Laptophmm is there a samba client for zaurus?
13:46.51Twiunsmbclient I imagine
13:47.08ShALLaX|Laptopno such file
13:47.13ShALLaX|Laptopall i can find is a samba server
13:47.42Twiunsearched on ZSI? ;)
13:47.46ShALLaX|Laptopyeah
13:47.50ShALLaX|Laptopthats what i saw the server on
13:48.25Twiunah. then it's most likely in the oz buildroot I saw it
13:48.35ShALLaX|Laptophmmm
13:51.36ShALLaX|Laptopdo i need to do somethin to make vncserver interactive?
13:54.43ShALLaX|Laptopaah, missing a symlink
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13:59.27ShALLaX|Laptophmm fun
13:59.30ShALLaX|Laptopthat keeps crashing now
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15:26.32pbathas anyone successfully installed the stable opie 1.0 feed on oz 3.2?
15:27.52pbatI keep getting an error msg in ipkg stating, cannot write status for <somepackage> since it has a NULL destination
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15:50.37SiftahI can leave ping running on my Z's ip all day long and it responds fine, but as soon as I try to ssh in or scp a file in/out it dies on it's arse, any ideas ?
15:50.43Siftahconnecting via WLAN
15:51.51Siftahin fact, that's not entirely accurate
15:52.08SiftahI can ssh in, but if I try anything that moves more than  a few lines of text it dies
15:52.40yeiazelI had a problems like this on a server...
15:52.46yeiazelthe ethernet card was dead
15:53.14Siftahhumm, it could be the card but it works flawlessly in the Sharp rom's
15:53.19yeiazelreceiving small packets worked, but it didn't work when ip packets were "large"
15:53.28Siftahmaybe it's an MTU thing ?
15:54.15SiftahI'll dump the logs to a card and move them to my desktop machine, see if it shows anything
15:54.27yeiazelthat's what I was going to say
15:54.38yeiazelbut it would be strange...
15:55.02Siftahyeah, it's infuriating tho', means I can't ssh into it to do anything
15:55.10Siftahand it sometimes hangs during updates too
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17:20.44ShALLaX|Laptopgawd
17:20.47ShALLaX|Laptopim freezing
17:21.33ShALLaX|Laptopill set my laptop compiling somethin to warm my room up
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17:53.14Praunihi?
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18:01.18Prauniwhats up with openzaurus?
18:02.15kergothhm?
18:02.46Praunidoes anything happen on last weeks?
18:03.28kergothdoes the news page say so?
18:03.31kergothit exists for a reason
18:04.45Praunibackground news has not to be on openzaurus.org...
18:05.13kergoth..
18:05.26kergoththe whole point of the news page is to avoid users like yourself wasting my time further
18:05.32kergothif theres news you need to know about, i'll put it there.
18:06.01Prauniok, now i'am happy
18:06.26kergothwe're still transitioning packages to the new system
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18:06.37kergothso same stuff as in teh last news update
18:06.51kergothwe're up to about 110 packages in the new system of a total of 300 or so
18:07.07pHluidhttp://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/biztech/10/10/microsoft.security.ap/
18:07.15Prauniyes, mickey told me
18:07.31pHluidMicrosoft's apparant answer to increasing security concerns about it's product is to release patches monthly rather than weekly.
18:07.33pHluidwtf? heh.
18:07.44kergothhah
18:08.00Prauni(yes don't stand for microsoft)
18:08.25pHluidI do applaud their apparent resolution to harden the memory management to contain buffer overflows.
18:09.04pHluidAnd some of the other stuff is nice, too - Centralized management of XP Pro client security settings, including the firewall, etc
18:09.09pHluidThe patch thing I don't understand though.
18:09.28pHluidA weekly hotfix and a month-end rollup or something would be good.
18:09.34PraunipHluid: why do you show us microsoft news?
18:09.46pHluidBecause I found it interesting.
18:09.59pHluidWhy did you read it if you're not, since it clearly says "microsoft.security" in the URL?
18:10.43Prauniok, ok: it is interesting
18:14.10Praunia few weeks ago i read about microsoft plans which says microsoft wants to work togehter with IBM to develope a bios which scans the pc for illegal software.
18:14.26pHluidUm... you sure you're not thinking about the TCPA?
18:14.47pHluidIf so, that's not exactly what it does. Although that is one potential side-effect.
18:16.04Praunii only read it in the newspaper, maybe it is the TCPA. For what it is standing for?
18:18.32Praunilet's talk about openzaurus
18:18.55PrauniTCPA - Trusted Computing Platform Alliance
18:27.41Praunihello?
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18:35.06pHluidIs there any way to tell what has a device locked?
18:36.24kergothfuser on the device, or on the lockfile in /var/lock?
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22:28.11andrashi there, excuse my stupid questions, but...
22:28.41andras...why is there a kernel-image package in the testing feed of OZ when the only way of updating the kernel is to flash the entire ROM?
22:29.20kergoth1) you can flash the kernel without a rootfs
22:29.37kergoth2) it was intended to allow kernel flashing via ipkg, but was never made operational
22:29.38andrasso i just put a zimage on the card and flash, no initrd?
22:29.43kergothyep
22:29.53andraswhat if it's a different size from the old one?
22:30.03kergothand that would matter why?
22:30.08TheMasterMind1your ram might be screwy
22:30.31TheMasterMind1kergoth: can we just dd the kernel onto the correct mtd partition, or is it writeprotected
22:30.39andrasdoes the z reserve some space for the kernel, or how does flashing work?
22:30.46TheMasterMind1kergoth: i think he means different ram-ramdisk size configuration
22:30.59TheMasterMind1andras: yes. fixed size partition for kernel
22:31.13andrasmy ramdisk would be 0 before and after the kernel update anyway
22:31.27andrasok, so the kernel shouldn't be too big
22:31.42andrasis it a fixed size, or determined by the last full flash (with initrd)?
22:31.57TheMasterMind1i said fixed size
22:32.11andrasdo you know how big?
22:32.23TheMasterMind1not offhand
22:32.45TheMasterMind1if your kernel is too big, the bootloader thing wont' put it on flash
22:32.48TheMasterMind1thats happened to me before
22:32.57andrasok
22:33.02kergothTheMasterMind1: iirc that partition may be flagged as not writable, i dont recall.
22:33.09kergoththeres a seperate kernel partition
22:33.10TheMasterMind1k
22:33.12andrasso what if i remove the kernel-image package altogether? it takes up a lot of space
22:33.13kergothwhcih only has a certain amount of room
22:33.15TheMasterMind1we can change that in the mtd code though
22:33.16kergoth(directed to andras)
22:33.22kergothandras: no. if you do, you'll hose dependencies
22:33.23TheMasterMind1so dd *should* work
22:33.25kergothandras: just remove the zImage
22:33.27kergothTheMasterMind1: yep
22:33.34kergothTheMasterMind1: familiar did that before bootldr
22:33.42TheMasterMind1k
22:33.44kergothTheMasterMind1: which is where i pulled the postinst stuffs for kernel-image, just never cleaned up
22:34.00andraswouldn't it be  better to create a dummy package that just satisfies the deps but doesn't fill up the storage so much?
22:34.18TheMasterMind1andras: yes.. a package where the zImage doesn't exist. just delete it for now
22:34.40TheMasterMind1i'm sure we'll redo that when we get to that package in OE
22:35.16andrasok, so the zimage in /boot has no relevance, the actual kernel is stored elsewhere, if i get you right
22:35.40TheMasterMind1yes
22:35.49andrasok, thanks
22:35.57kergothandras: this package was intended to write that zimage into flash, then remove it on success
22:36.03kergothandras: as it never succeeds, its never removed.
22:36.14kergothso its already intended to do what you want, just has a bug.
22:36.26kergotha pure dummy package would be foolish in the extreme
22:36.38kergothas its version wouldnt necessarily match the version of the kernel in teh flash partition
22:37.00andrasok. writing into flash might be tricky, i can imagine (that's why the whole flashing off cf is for)
22:39.43kergothandras: the new zauruses flash procedure is done by a linux kernel and shell script.
22:39.48kergothandras: so its not exactly rocket science.
22:42.47enkianyone here know much about sqlite?
22:43.26kergothi know thats its spiffy
22:43.33kergoththats about hte extent of my knowledge there
22:43.34kergothheh
22:43.46enkihow comes the conversion to .oe's?
22:44.49kergothcoming along well. total of about 110 packages
22:44.58kergoththough 20-30 arent conversions, but new packages
22:45.13enkineat
22:45.46kergothwe also have -dev and -doc packages for almost all of htem
22:45.51kergothwhich should be nice, man pages and the like
22:46.20enkivery nice
22:46.41enkii need to read up one package making, cuz id like to contribute
22:46.53enkiwhat i gleaned from the bk repository wasnt enuff for me...
22:46.54kergothcheck out doc/README, doc/DEVEL, and doc/TRANSITION
22:47.10kergothwell, feel free to ask qeustions
22:47.11kergothquestions rather
22:47.16enkiindeed
22:48.09ljpI can now start working on stuff again on the weekends as Ihave net from home
22:48.33kergothcool
22:50.46ljpok, how do I set up a cross compiler? ;)
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22:53.47TheMasterMind1heh
22:53.55TheMasterMind1ibot oz toolchain
22:53.56well, oz toolchain is http://www.openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/, or mkdir /usr/local/arm and extract them in there.
23:02.07ljphahaha tmm fell for it.. hahahah hehehehe
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23:13.32TheMasterMind1ljp: with you, i never know..
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