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09:55.41 | ShALLaX|Laptop | which sharp rom do i need in order to rip jeode, opera and hancom office? |
10:00.45 | ShALLaX|Laptop | hmm looks like 3.1 |
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11:45.08 | ShALLaX|Laptop | ok.. so jeode and hancom office dont work at all in OZ |
11:50.06 | Twiun | ShALLaX|Laptop: what is the error you got? |
11:50.18 | Twiun | it helps if you qualify your statements with some details |
11:52.28 | ShALLaX|Laptop | heh |
11:52.34 | ShALLaX|Laptop | ive been working for 3 hours on it |
11:52.41 | ShALLaX|Laptop | and the error will hardly help you |
11:52.45 | ShALLaX|Laptop | with all hancom apps i get |
11:53.06 | ShALLaX|Laptop | "Could not start the application hancomxxxxx" |
11:53.18 | ShALLaX|Laptop | and with jeode, when i try launching a demo, i get nothing |
11:53.30 | ShALLaX|Laptop | ive tried ripping them from my original rom |
11:53.40 | ShALLaX|Laptop | and ive tried using the original ipks from the sharp CD |
11:54.30 | Twiun | get hold of ldd and run that on the evm executable |
11:54.40 | Twiun | I imagine you'll be missing a few libs |
11:55.00 | ShALLaX|Laptop | ldd, evm? |
11:56.28 | Twiun | OZ isn't ready, really, for people who aren't comfortable with the linux command line :( |
11:56.39 | ShALLaX|Laptop | i am comfortable with it |
11:56.44 | ShALLaX|Laptop | ive never heard of ldd or evm though |
11:56.49 | Twiun | ldd should be familiar then |
11:56.56 | Twiun | evm is the name of the jeode executable |
11:57.23 | ShALLaX|Laptop | lol, ive had my Z about 24 hours |
11:57.23 | ShALLaX|Laptop | and ive only just tried using jeode |
11:57.23 | Twiun | ldd is a shell script that shows all the library dependencies of a dynamic executable |
11:57.35 | Twiun | hence why you should be familiar with it - it's present on all the linux system I've used |
11:57.42 | Twiun | (except embedded ones of course) |
11:57.46 | ShALLaX|Laptop | ive never had the need to use it |
11:58.05 | ShALLaX|Laptop | i ported gentoo to the xbox, so i do know what im doing most of the time heh |
11:58.19 | ShALLaX|Laptop | is there any point in jeode |
11:58.31 | Twiun | not if you don't plan on using java apps |
11:58.41 | ShALLaX|Laptop | ive not actually come across any java apps |
11:59.35 | Twiun | not looked at the zaurus software index? |
12:01.23 | ShALLaX|Laptop | ugh, i need an SD card |
12:01.33 | ShALLaX|Laptop | actually, ive heard bad things about SD |
12:01.39 | ShALLaX|Laptop | and that MMC is better |
12:01.44 | ShALLaX|Laptop | (sd corrupts) |
12:01.46 | ShALLaX|Laptop | is this true? |
12:02.14 | Twiun | no idea about corruption - but MMC is more likely to work on newer linux kernels anyway |
12:02.35 | Twiun | the SD specs aren't available to open source developers |
12:02.43 | Twiun | unless they pay and sign NDAs |
12:02.50 | Twiun | which say they can't release sources |
12:02.51 | ShALLaX|Laptop | yeah |
12:03.42 | ShALLaX|Laptop | hmm.. Waba/vm |
12:03.44 | ShALLaX|Laptop | java vm |
12:03.51 | ShALLaX|Laptop | would that be a replacement for jeode? |
12:04.05 | Twiun | it's not a drop-in replacement, no |
12:04.21 | Twiun | believe me, if there was a drop-in replacement, OZ would have it as standard |
12:04.36 | ShALLaX|Laptop | heh |
12:08.19 | ShALLaX|Laptop | hmm well, at least opera works |
12:09.26 | ShALLaX|Laptop | is it sane/safe to move /opt /home and /root to /mnt/ram then relink them to / ? |
12:11.21 | Twiun | that's purely up to you - I personally wouldn't put system-critical files on the ramdisk |
12:11.30 | ShALLaX|Laptop | heh |
12:11.58 | ShALLaX|Laptop | for now, its the only way i can actually have some storage space |
12:12.20 | ShALLaX|Laptop | installing certain ipkgs to "ram" doesnt work as they dont get linked properly |
12:15.36 | Twiun | have you used ipkg-link from the command line, or updated aqpkg? |
12:15.58 | Twiun | if an ipk doesn't work from arbitrary locations, it needs to be fixed |
12:16.13 | ShALLaX|Laptop | i looked into ipkg-link, but i guess i misunderstood what its function was |
12:16.19 | Twiun | most ipks have a maintainer as well |
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12:17.02 | Twiun | ipkg-link uses the ipkg db to relink packages files from their mount points to the standard locations - it only creats softlinks |
12:17.13 | Twiun | s/creats/creates/ |
12:17.51 | ShALLaX|Laptop | all, i thought it just linked packages to particular installation locations |
12:17.58 | ShALLaX|Laptop | i.e. link nano to always install to ram |
12:18.02 | ShALLaX|Laptop | heh |
12:18.42 | Twiun | nope... ipkg installs them to whatever mount point and ipkg-link is used to create a symlink from the standard location to that file |
12:18.59 | Twiun | btw, I've updated the fbawt screenshots with a more recent one |
12:19.04 | ShALLaX|Laptop | aaah that solves my problems |
12:19.07 | ShALLaX|Laptop | cool |
12:21.21 | ShALLaX|Laptop | wow, that rules :D |
12:22.48 | ShALLaX|Laptop | heh, this bowl of pasta is the first thing ive eaten other than g |
12:22.51 | ShALLaX|Laptop | grapes in a week |
12:25.25 | Twiun | nice ;) been in hospital? |
12:27.04 | ShALLaX|Laptop | nah |
12:27.06 | ShALLaX|Laptop | got the flu |
12:27.06 | ShALLaX|Laptop | :\ |
12:27.10 | Twiun | Ahhhh |
12:27.17 | Twiun | been there, nasty |
12:27.29 | ShALLaX|Laptop | very .. especially with asthma |
12:28.12 | ShALLaX|Laptop | hmm, is it possible to reflash the rom with a software app |
12:28.21 | ShALLaX|Laptop | or do i have to keep holdin c, d, reset |
12:28.54 | Twiun | it's _possible_ but not advised |
12:28.57 | ShALLaX|Laptop | hehe |
12:29.08 | Twiun | that's why no apps do it atm |
12:29.24 | ShALLaX|Laptop | can you actually break your Z by badflashing it? |
12:29.38 | ShALLaX|Laptop | i noticed in the 3.xx roms, Sharp put in a flashing app |
12:30.05 | Twiun | depends what you flash it with - the sharp roms always include the bootloader - which can obviously brick you Z if incorrectly flashed |
12:30.20 | Twiun | OZ doesn't - so even with a bad flash you can recover it with a CF card |
12:30.36 | Twiun | with Shar's you have to send it to them to fix |
12:30.44 | Twiun | s/Shar's/Sharp's/ |
12:31.00 | ShALLaX|Laptop | damn :o |
12:31.17 | ShALLaX|Laptop | thats pretty bad |
12:31.27 | ShALLaX|Laptop | you cant even reflash with "ospack" to restore the bootloader? |
12:32.33 | ShALLaX|Laptop | pfft, and they had to pick the hardest key combo to flash :\ |
12:34.41 | Twiun | you do have to consider that it's supposed to be an exceptional action |
12:34.57 | Twiun | the C7x0 are supposed to have an easier flashing procedure |
12:35.15 | ShALLaX|Laptop | hmm, not really.. if youre a linux user its the _only_ way to flash |
12:35.20 | ShALLaX|Laptop | at least in the 2.x roms |
12:35.46 | Twiun | no, from a consumer perspective, flashing a PDA isn't something normal |
12:35.47 | ShALLaX|Laptop | yeah C7x0 is like a 10 step proceedure apparently |
12:36.06 | ShALLaX|Laptop | heh, the whole reason i bought the Z was to reflash it to OZ |
12:36.57 | ShALLaX|Laptop | also, im sure i read somewhere that it was a metal case |
12:37.12 | Twiun | Hah! |
12:37.14 | ShALLaX|Laptop | just goes to show how perceptive some people are |
12:38.06 | Twiun | I wonder how long it's going to take Sharp to stick that 3d tech into C7x0 models ;) |
12:38.48 | ShALLaX|Laptop | i wonder how long its gonna take until i can afford a C7x0 |
12:38.51 | ShALLaX|Laptop | :P |
12:39.17 | Twiun | 2 to 3 months |
12:39.20 | ShALLaX|Laptop | hah |
12:41.01 | ShALLaX|Laptop | im afraid to use my Z without a screen protector |
12:41.02 | ShALLaX|Laptop | :\ |
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12:41.50 | Twiun | mine's been fine without |
12:42.07 | Twiun | Had the 5000d since they came out in 2001 ;) |
12:42.09 | ShALLaX|Laptop | fingerprints, grease and spit marks annoy me |
12:42.11 | Catalan | Hello! , Is anybody use bluetooth serial card ? |
12:42.13 | ShALLaX|Laptop | im sure if i show people it |
12:42.18 | ShALLaX|Laptop | it will get covered in them |
12:42.40 | Twiun | I walk around with a lens cloth and cleaner, so it's no problem for me |
12:42.44 | ShALLaX|Laptop | hehe |
12:42.47 | ShALLaX|Laptop | oh wow |
12:42.56 | ShALLaX|Laptop | the stylus can be disassembled |
12:43.17 | Twiun | you've got a 5500 then? |
12:43.23 | ShALLaX|Laptop | yeah |
12:43.24 | ShALLaX|Laptop | :P |
12:43.30 | Twiun | bah, rich people |
12:43.34 | ShALLaX|Laptop | heh |
12:43.34 | Twiun | all the same :) |
12:43.35 | ShALLaX|Laptop | £159 |
12:43.37 | ShALLaX|Laptop | ebay |
12:43.42 | Twiun | argh |
12:43.45 | ShALLaX|Laptop | :P |
12:43.53 | Twiun | 5000d on release 359GBP |
12:44.00 | ShALLaX|Laptop | yep :) |
12:44.17 | ShALLaX|Laptop | nah |
12:44.17 | ShALLaX|Laptop | youre a pioneer |
12:44.22 | ShALLaX|Laptop | the scene needed people like you |
12:44.34 | ShALLaX|Laptop | i usually join things late |
12:44.39 | ShALLaX|Laptop | xbox £300 on launch |
12:44.42 | ShALLaX|Laptop | i got it for £129 |
12:44.43 | ShALLaX|Laptop | :P |
12:44.51 | Twiun | I begin to see a pattern |
12:44.55 | ShALLaX|Laptop | best thing i ever bought |
12:45.01 | ShALLaX|Laptop | bought one.. made gentoo for it |
12:45.05 | ShALLaX|Laptop | got 2 more donated to me |
12:45.09 | ShALLaX|Laptop | now i have 1 as a permanent server |
12:45.12 | ShALLaX|Laptop | gave 1 to my brothr |
12:45.20 | ShALLaX|Laptop | and i use the other for gaming/ media streaming :) |
12:45.41 | ShALLaX|Laptop | ironically, it streams media from my xbox server :D |
12:45.59 | ShALLaX|Laptop | great thing is, MS loses money for each one you buy |
12:46.48 | ShALLaX|Laptop | hmm.. i wonder if this "New Yankee Workshop" guy can actually do anything without needing powertools |
12:47.17 | ShALLaX|Laptop | lol, ive flashed so much within the past day, ive probably halved the life of my Z |
12:48.11 | Twiun | nah - I did a bit of kernel dev - flashed the Z a good 150 times |
12:48.28 | ShALLaX|Laptop | phew ;) |
12:48.41 | ShALLaX|Laptop | actually.. i think this eeprom type is good for a minimum of 100,000 |
12:49.06 | Twiun | yeah - we're fine |
12:49.18 | Twiun | kergoth is probably going to fry his soon ;) |
12:49.24 | ShALLaX|Laptop | heheh |
12:49.43 | ShALLaX|Laptop | youd think sharp would buy all the devs new ones when that happens |
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12:50.27 | ShALLaX|Laptop | what exactly is the OZ mascott |
12:50.34 | ShALLaX|Laptop | it look like a dragon dinosaur penguin |
12:50.34 | ShALLaX|Laptop | :P |
12:50.42 | Twiun | that's what it is |
12:50.59 | ShALLaX|Laptop | fair enough |
12:51.01 | Twiun | it's related to Sharp's Japanese advertising campain |
12:51.07 | Twiun | when they launched the 5000d |
12:51.11 | ShALLaX|Laptop | is it stored in the kernel image? |
12:51.26 | Twiun | yup - it's a kernel patch |
12:51.44 | ShALLaX|Laptop | its pretty neat |
12:51.52 | Twiun | only one problem |
12:52.02 | Twiun | we've lost the original vector artwork |
12:52.08 | ShALLaX|Laptop | doh! |
12:52.14 | ShALLaX|Laptop | howd that happen |
12:52.27 | Twiun | the designer had hdd problems :( |
12:52.30 | ShALLaX|Laptop | :( |
12:55.01 | ShALLaX|Laptop | oh wow.. opera beats the crap out of konqueror |
12:56.15 | Twiun | speed/usability/what? |
12:56.51 | ShALLaX|Laptop | features |
12:57.15 | ShALLaX|Laptop | hmm it seems worse at rendering though |
12:57.37 | Twiun | ibot: seen tronical |
12:57.38 | | tronical is currently on #openembedded |
12:57.46 | Twiun | ibot: heard tronical |
12:57.47 | | Twiun: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
12:57.51 | Twiun | hrm |
12:58.03 | ShALLaX|Laptop | heh |
12:58.33 | Twiun | he's the konq/e developer |
12:58.45 | ShALLaX|Laptop | ;) |
12:59.01 | ShALLaX|Laptop | im just amazed at how much faster this is than my SH3 jornada |
13:00.14 | ShALLaX|Laptop | http://info.shallax.com |
13:00.14 | ShALLaX|Laptop | :) |
13:00.27 | ShALLaX|Laptop | running pretty cool :D |
13:01.09 | Twiun | yeah |
13:02.06 | ShALLaX|Laptop | i made a prog that changes the fan speed depending on system temperature |
13:02.23 | Twiun | sounds good |
13:03.04 | ShALLaX|Laptop | now, go buy me an MMC card :D |
13:03.16 | Twiun | hah |
13:03.27 | Twiun | you can get yourself one, just like I did ;) |
13:03.31 | ShALLaX|Laptop | does ipkg use the "dest" list in order? |
13:03.36 | Twiun | got mine from komplett.co.uk |
13:03.43 | Twiun | no idea |
13:03.58 | ShALLaX|Laptop | only one way to find out |
13:03.59 | ShALLaX|Laptop | heh |
13:04.17 | ShALLaX|Laptop | any reason not to use bash? |
13:04.47 | Twiun | size |
13:04.56 | Twiun | busybox is much smaller |
13:05.01 | ShALLaX|Laptop | hmm |
13:05.38 | ShALLaX|Laptop | which is less stable, testing or unstable |
13:06.09 | Twiun | unstable iirc |
13:06.14 | ShALLaX|Laptop | ;) |
13:06.35 | ShALLaX|Laptop | mmm mplayer |
13:08.48 | ShALLaX|Laptop | hmm theres a problem, installed mplayer to "ram" it also installed some libs to "ram" |
13:08.56 | ShALLaX|Laptop | so now i come up with dependency issues |
13:09.17 | Twiun | just symlink them to their appropriate root directories |
13:09.17 | ShALLaX|Laptop | how do i list installed packages |
13:09.32 | Twiun | ipkg --help should say (or was it ipkg -help) |
13:09.33 | jdh41 | would ipkg-link do it? |
13:09.41 | Twiun | jdh41: it _should_ |
13:11.03 | ShALLaX|Laptop | yeah, i just need to find the package name |
13:11.04 | ShALLaX|Laptop | ;) |
13:11.48 | ShALLaX|Laptop | cant seem to find the switch to list installed packages |
13:14.16 | ShALLaX|Laptop | meh, ipkg info mplayer lists deps |
13:14.19 | ShALLaX|Laptop | so that solves that |
13:14.24 | Twiun | try "ipkg list" also |
13:14.37 | ShALLaX|Laptop | list just shows everything from your feeds, i thought |
13:15.01 | Twiun | I thought it was installed ipks |
13:15.38 | ShALLaX|Laptop | dont think so |
13:16.01 | ShALLaX|Laptop | im gettin to grips with this |
13:16.04 | ShALLaX|Laptop | ipkg-link is great |
13:16.19 | ShALLaX|Laptop | before i was jsut movin opt to "ram" |
13:16.20 | ShALLaX|Laptop | then relinking |
13:16.55 | Twiun | that's why ipkg-link was born |
13:18.01 | ShALLaX|Laptop | ;) |
13:18.19 | ShALLaX|Laptop | im soooo glad someone ported nano |
13:18.34 | Twiun | not a vi fan then? |
13:18.37 | ShALLaX|Laptop | god no |
13:18.44 | ShALLaX|Laptop | hheh |
13:19.06 | ShALLaX|Laptop | heheh, i never thought id be sshing into my pda :P |
13:20.51 | Twiun | very useful for development |
13:21.07 | ShALLaX|Laptop | indeed |
13:22.50 | ShALLaX|Laptop | wow keypebble is really really good |
13:26.17 | ShALLaX|Laptop | is there anything like gaim available for OZ? |
13:27.18 | yeiazel | errr |
13:27.19 | yeiazel | gaim |
13:27.20 | yeiazel | :) |
13:27.23 | ShALLaX|Laptop | lol |
13:27.24 | ShALLaX|Laptop | where |
13:27.25 | Twiun | gaim is available for the Zaurus ;) |
13:27.35 | yeiazel | you'll find it somewhere on the net |
13:27.47 | Twiun | search ZSI |
13:27.52 | ShALLaX|Laptop | hmm |
13:27.55 | ShALLaX|Laptop | gaim for qtopia |
13:27.57 | ShALLaX|Laptop | on zsi |
13:28.05 | yeiazel | it's the same |
13:28.07 | ShALLaX|Laptop | that should do |
13:28.07 | ShALLaX|Laptop | ;)_ |
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13:33.15 | ShALLaX|Laptop | wahoo |
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13:41.32 | ShALLaX|Zaurus | :) |
13:42.42 | ShALLaX|Zaurus | hehe |
13:43.13 | ShALLaX|Zaurus | any console based clients |
13:46.22 | ShALLaX|Laptop | hmm is there a samba client for zaurus? |
13:46.51 | Twiun | smbclient I imagine |
13:47.08 | ShALLaX|Laptop | no such file |
13:47.13 | ShALLaX|Laptop | all i can find is a samba server |
13:47.42 | Twiun | searched on ZSI? ;) |
13:47.46 | ShALLaX|Laptop | yeah |
13:47.50 | ShALLaX|Laptop | thats what i saw the server on |
13:48.25 | Twiun | ah. then it's most likely in the oz buildroot I saw it |
13:48.35 | ShALLaX|Laptop | hmmm |
13:51.36 | ShALLaX|Laptop | do i need to do somethin to make vncserver interactive? |
13:54.43 | ShALLaX|Laptop | aah, missing a symlink |
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13:59.27 | ShALLaX|Laptop | hmm fun |
13:59.30 | ShALLaX|Laptop | that keeps crashing now |
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15:26.32 | pbat | has anyone successfully installed the stable opie 1.0 feed on oz 3.2? |
15:27.52 | pbat | I keep getting an error msg in ipkg stating, cannot write status for <somepackage> since it has a NULL destination |
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15:50.37 | Siftah | I can leave ping running on my Z's ip all day long and it responds fine, but as soon as I try to ssh in or scp a file in/out it dies on it's arse, any ideas ? |
15:50.43 | Siftah | connecting via WLAN |
15:51.51 | Siftah | in fact, that's not entirely accurate |
15:52.08 | Siftah | I can ssh in, but if I try anything that moves more than a few lines of text it dies |
15:52.40 | yeiazel | I had a problems like this on a server... |
15:52.46 | yeiazel | the ethernet card was dead |
15:53.14 | Siftah | humm, it could be the card but it works flawlessly in the Sharp rom's |
15:53.19 | yeiazel | receiving small packets worked, but it didn't work when ip packets were "large" |
15:53.28 | Siftah | maybe it's an MTU thing ? |
15:54.15 | Siftah | I'll dump the logs to a card and move them to my desktop machine, see if it shows anything |
15:54.27 | yeiazel | that's what I was going to say |
15:54.38 | yeiazel | but it would be strange... |
15:55.02 | Siftah | yeah, it's infuriating tho', means I can't ssh into it to do anything |
15:55.10 | Siftah | and it sometimes hangs during updates too |
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17:20.44 | ShALLaX|Laptop | gawd |
17:20.47 | ShALLaX|Laptop | im freezing |
17:21.33 | ShALLaX|Laptop | ill set my laptop compiling somethin to warm my room up |
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17:53.14 | Prauni | hi? |
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18:01.18 | Prauni | whats up with openzaurus? |
18:02.15 | kergoth | hm? |
18:02.46 | Prauni | does anything happen on last weeks? |
18:03.28 | kergoth | does the news page say so? |
18:03.31 | kergoth | it exists for a reason |
18:04.45 | Prauni | background news has not to be on openzaurus.org... |
18:05.13 | kergoth | .. |
18:05.26 | kergoth | the whole point of the news page is to avoid users like yourself wasting my time further |
18:05.32 | kergoth | if theres news you need to know about, i'll put it there. |
18:06.01 | Prauni | ok, now i'am happy |
18:06.26 | kergoth | we're still transitioning packages to the new system |
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18:06.37 | kergoth | so same stuff as in teh last news update |
18:06.51 | kergoth | we're up to about 110 packages in the new system of a total of 300 or so |
18:07.07 | pHluid | http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/biztech/10/10/microsoft.security.ap/ |
18:07.15 | Prauni | yes, mickey told me |
18:07.31 | pHluid | Microsoft's apparant answer to increasing security concerns about it's product is to release patches monthly rather than weekly. |
18:07.33 | pHluid | wtf? heh. |
18:07.44 | kergoth | hah |
18:08.00 | Prauni | (yes don't stand for microsoft) |
18:08.25 | pHluid | I do applaud their apparent resolution to harden the memory management to contain buffer overflows. |
18:09.04 | pHluid | And some of the other stuff is nice, too - Centralized management of XP Pro client security settings, including the firewall, etc |
18:09.09 | pHluid | The patch thing I don't understand though. |
18:09.28 | pHluid | A weekly hotfix and a month-end rollup or something would be good. |
18:09.34 | Prauni | pHluid: why do you show us microsoft news? |
18:09.46 | pHluid | Because I found it interesting. |
18:09.59 | pHluid | Why did you read it if you're not, since it clearly says "microsoft.security" in the URL? |
18:10.43 | Prauni | ok, ok: it is interesting |
18:14.10 | Prauni | a few weeks ago i read about microsoft plans which says microsoft wants to work togehter with IBM to develope a bios which scans the pc for illegal software. |
18:14.26 | pHluid | Um... you sure you're not thinking about the TCPA? |
18:14.47 | pHluid | If so, that's not exactly what it does. Although that is one potential side-effect. |
18:16.04 | Prauni | i only read it in the newspaper, maybe it is the TCPA. For what it is standing for? |
18:18.32 | Prauni | let's talk about openzaurus |
18:18.55 | Prauni | TCPA - Trusted Computing Platform Alliance |
18:27.41 | Prauni | hello? |
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18:35.06 | pHluid | Is there any way to tell what has a device locked? |
18:36.24 | kergoth | fuser on the device, or on the lockfile in /var/lock? |
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22:28.11 | andras | hi there, excuse my stupid questions, but... |
22:28.41 | andras | ...why is there a kernel-image package in the testing feed of OZ when the only way of updating the kernel is to flash the entire ROM? |
22:29.20 | kergoth | 1) you can flash the kernel without a rootfs |
22:29.37 | kergoth | 2) it was intended to allow kernel flashing via ipkg, but was never made operational |
22:29.38 | andras | so i just put a zimage on the card and flash, no initrd? |
22:29.43 | kergoth | yep |
22:29.53 | andras | what if it's a different size from the old one? |
22:30.03 | kergoth | and that would matter why? |
22:30.08 | TheMasterMind1 | your ram might be screwy |
22:30.31 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: can we just dd the kernel onto the correct mtd partition, or is it writeprotected |
22:30.39 | andras | does the z reserve some space for the kernel, or how does flashing work? |
22:30.46 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: i think he means different ram-ramdisk size configuration |
22:30.59 | TheMasterMind1 | andras: yes. fixed size partition for kernel |
22:31.13 | andras | my ramdisk would be 0 before and after the kernel update anyway |
22:31.27 | andras | ok, so the kernel shouldn't be too big |
22:31.42 | andras | is it a fixed size, or determined by the last full flash (with initrd)? |
22:31.57 | TheMasterMind1 | i said fixed size |
22:32.11 | andras | do you know how big? |
22:32.23 | TheMasterMind1 | not offhand |
22:32.45 | TheMasterMind1 | if your kernel is too big, the bootloader thing wont' put it on flash |
22:32.48 | TheMasterMind1 | thats happened to me before |
22:32.57 | andras | ok |
22:33.02 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: iirc that partition may be flagged as not writable, i dont recall. |
22:33.09 | kergoth | theres a seperate kernel partition |
22:33.10 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
22:33.12 | andras | so what if i remove the kernel-image package altogether? it takes up a lot of space |
22:33.13 | kergoth | whcih only has a certain amount of room |
22:33.15 | TheMasterMind1 | we can change that in the mtd code though |
22:33.16 | kergoth | (directed to andras) |
22:33.22 | kergoth | andras: no. if you do, you'll hose dependencies |
22:33.23 | TheMasterMind1 | so dd *should* work |
22:33.25 | kergoth | andras: just remove the zImage |
22:33.27 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yep |
22:33.34 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: familiar did that before bootldr |
22:33.42 | TheMasterMind1 | k |
22:33.44 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: which is where i pulled the postinst stuffs for kernel-image, just never cleaned up |
22:34.00 | andras | wouldn't it be better to create a dummy package that just satisfies the deps but doesn't fill up the storage so much? |
22:34.18 | TheMasterMind1 | andras: yes.. a package where the zImage doesn't exist. just delete it for now |
22:34.40 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm sure we'll redo that when we get to that package in OE |
22:35.16 | andras | ok, so the zimage in /boot has no relevance, the actual kernel is stored elsewhere, if i get you right |
22:35.40 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
22:35.49 | andras | ok, thanks |
22:35.57 | kergoth | andras: this package was intended to write that zimage into flash, then remove it on success |
22:36.03 | kergoth | andras: as it never succeeds, its never removed. |
22:36.14 | kergoth | so its already intended to do what you want, just has a bug. |
22:36.26 | kergoth | a pure dummy package would be foolish in the extreme |
22:36.38 | kergoth | as its version wouldnt necessarily match the version of the kernel in teh flash partition |
22:37.00 | andras | ok. writing into flash might be tricky, i can imagine (that's why the whole flashing off cf is for) |
22:39.43 | kergoth | andras: the new zauruses flash procedure is done by a linux kernel and shell script. |
22:39.48 | kergoth | andras: so its not exactly rocket science. |
22:42.47 | enki | anyone here know much about sqlite? |
22:43.26 | kergoth | i know thats its spiffy |
22:43.33 | kergoth | thats about hte extent of my knowledge there |
22:43.34 | kergoth | heh |
22:43.46 | enki | how comes the conversion to .oe's? |
22:44.49 | kergoth | coming along well. total of about 110 packages |
22:44.58 | kergoth | though 20-30 arent conversions, but new packages |
22:45.13 | enki | neat |
22:45.46 | kergoth | we also have -dev and -doc packages for almost all of htem |
22:45.51 | kergoth | which should be nice, man pages and the like |
22:46.20 | enki | very nice |
22:46.41 | enki | i need to read up one package making, cuz id like to contribute |
22:46.53 | enki | what i gleaned from the bk repository wasnt enuff for me... |
22:46.54 | kergoth | check out doc/README, doc/DEVEL, and doc/TRANSITION |
22:47.10 | kergoth | well, feel free to ask qeustions |
22:47.11 | kergoth | questions rather |
22:47.16 | enki | indeed |
22:48.09 | ljp | I can now start working on stuff again on the weekends as Ihave net from home |
22:48.33 | kergoth | cool |
22:50.46 | ljp | ok, how do I set up a cross compiler? ;) |
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22:53.47 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
22:53.55 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot oz toolchain |
22:53.56 | | well, oz toolchain is http://www.openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/, or mkdir /usr/local/arm and extract them in there. |
23:02.07 | ljp | hahaha tmm fell for it.. hahahah hehehehe |
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23:13.32 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp: with you, i never know.. |
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