| 00:09.21 | diverdan | Is there a way under OZ/Opie to keep my wireless card turned off until I activate it? |
| 00:10.50 | nerdboy | eject |
| 00:11.52 | diverdan | it comes back on next power on... I'd like it to stay off until I ask for it to be on. |
| 00:12.47 | kergoth`bbl | edit /etc/pcmcia/network. remove the call to ifup. |
| 00:24.17 | diverdan | Well that'll keep it off the net, sure. But it won't suspend the card, it will stay on. I'd like be able to have a "no network" profile where even if the card is there, it's off. (i.e. cardctl suspend) |
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| 00:40.54 | andras | hi all |
| 00:41.12 | andras | i want to build my own kernel for the z |
| 00:41.26 | andras | i'm wondering what those patches (embedix, rmk, np) are all for |
| 00:41.40 | andras | i.e. why a stock kernel won't do |
| 00:41.51 | andras | and also, where i get the sdmmc module from |
| 00:43.25 | treke|home | andras: You get the sdmmc module from the sharp image |
| 00:43.34 | treke|home | a stock kernel doesn't support the hardware in the zaurus |
| 00:44.01 | andras | ok, so do you know what the various patches are all for and where i can get them? |
| 00:44.19 | andras | also, how do i get an sdmmc image for 2.4.18 for collie? |
| 00:44.20 | treke|home | they are for making the kernel work on the zaurus |
| 00:44.54 | andras | ok, but which patch for what, and where can i find the patches? |
| 00:45.23 | treke|home | use google, and search for all the patches used. They are in the kernl name |
| 00:46.05 | treke|home | if it says rmk7 you it means you need the 2.4.18-rmk7 patch |
| 00:46.25 | treke|home | if it says pxa3, it means you also need the 2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3 patch |
| 00:46.32 | treke|home | and so on until you have everything in the kernel name |
| 00:46.38 | andras | ok, i see |
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| 00:50.21 | andras | what's the latest kernel i can get an sdmmc module to work with? on collie, that is |
| 00:50.39 | treke|home | 2.4.18 |
| 00:50.56 | treke|home | Use the kernel it was compiled for |
| 00:52.21 | andras | but where do i get that from, sharp doesn't ship a 2.4.18 kernel for collie, do they? |
| 00:52.39 | treke|home | The .1 rom has it |
| 00:52.42 | treke|home | 3.1 |
| 00:52.49 | andras | ah, that's great |
| 00:52.56 | treke|home | The 2.4.6 sdmmc should only be used with 2.4.6 |
| 00:53.02 | andras | sure |
| 00:53.17 | andras | anyway, can't find anything about the np patch, and nothing at all about the embedix |
| 00:53.43 | andras | someone recently suggested a wiki for oz, how's that coming along? |
| 00:54.04 | andras | things like pointers to the patches could be in there |
| 01:12.00 | andras | is there any difficulty using gcc 3.x to cross-compile a kernel? |
| 01:15.44 | treke|home | yes. |
| 01:15.47 | treke|home | Use 2.95.3 |
| 01:16.57 | andras | just one more: what do the embedix patches do? where can i get them? |
| 01:17.05 | andras | all the others i've now identified... |
| 01:17.13 | treke|home | It adds support for the zaurus |
| 01:17.21 | treke|home | you can get it from sharps website |
| 01:19.04 | andras | ok, thanks |
| 01:19.14 | andras | good night |
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| 02:22.57 | robert_ | hi |
| 02:24.03 | robert_ | have any of you had trouble installing opie-mediaplayer? |
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| 03:42.34 | aw | Can one install openzaurus from an SD card? |
| 03:42.45 | treke|home | on a c7x0 you can |
| 03:43.35 | aw | not on a 5000d? |
| 03:43.42 | treke|home | nope |
| 03:44.02 | aw | you need the CF just for installing right? |
| 03:44.04 | treke|home | yes |
| 03:44.19 | aw | i can ask someone just for that then I guess. |
| 03:44.20 | kergoth | heh, isnt that like faq #5 or something? |
| 03:44.40 | aw | sorry.... i'm reading as I ask |
| 03:44.42 | treke|home | aw: Go buy one |
| 03:44.53 | treke|home | aw: They are dirt cheap and you'll kick yourself if you just borrow one |
| 03:47.13 | aw | well, I just bought the zaurus and it comes with a 256m sd |
| 03:47.37 | treke|home | One of these days you *will* break something |
| 03:47.39 | aw | i may buy one after I recover from the zaurus |
| 03:47.50 | treke|home | and when you do you'll be shit out of luck until you can borrow a CF card again |
| 03:48.52 | aw | i know... I will as soon as I recover from the 200 spent. |
| 03:49.27 | aw | X apps won't run on opie right? |
| 03:50.29 | treke|home | right |
| 03:52.47 | aw | sad |
| 03:56.04 | treke|home | you can always install x |
| 03:58.21 | aw | ok |
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| 05:25.36 | Marsupilami23 | kergoth: Did ya fix it? |
| 05:30.00 | kergoth | ? |
| 05:30.31 | Marsupilami23 | I forgot |
| 05:30.35 | Marsupilami23 | why did I ask that |
| 05:30.38 | Marsupilami23 | hmm..... |
| 05:31.03 | Marsupilami23 | Oh the compile problems... |
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| 17:50.14 | BeTa-glop | hi ppl |
| 17:50.27 | BeTa-glop | I've just set up my OZ and I've tried to install konqueror |
| 17:50.40 | BeTa-glop | but it crashes all the time before anything |
| 17:51.13 | BeTa-glop | opieirc too |
| 17:51.47 | BeTa-glop | konqueror: relocation error: konqueror: undefine symbol: _20t.ibeamCursor |
| 17:52.12 | pablo | seems like you are missing a library |
| 17:52.14 | BeTa-glop | for opieirc : _70string.shared_null |
| 17:52.21 | BeTa-glop | Yes it seems |
| 17:52.27 | BeTa-glop | I'm on testing |
| 17:52.40 | BeTa-glop | any idea ? |
| 17:53.20 | BeTa-glop | ipk package system has been designed to solve dependency problems ? doesn't it ? |
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| 17:53.39 | BeTa-glop | if so... what dependency has been lost ? :c/ |
| 17:54.07 | pablo | beta: dunno. i'm kinda in the same boat as you are 8> (only worse) |
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| 17:54.27 | BeTa-glop | lol |
| 17:55.03 | pablo | hold on. |
| 17:56.21 | pablo | which feed are you using? also what rom do you have installed? |
| 17:58.34 | BeTa-glop | testing |
| 17:58.43 | BeTa-glop | the official rom |
| 17:58.55 | BeTa-glop | for C700 (I've forgotten its official name) |
| 17:59.02 | BeTa-glop | and the sukoshi's kernel |
| 17:59.11 | kergoth | s/the // |
| 17:59.20 | pablo | ah, so you are as screwed as i am. (sl-5600 here) |
| 17:59.27 | pablo | (oz rom) |
| 17:59.28 | BeTa-glop | kergoth: right ;) |
| 17:59.37 | BeTa-glop | :) |
| 18:00.36 | pablo | on mine konqueror needs libc, qt-ebedded, opie-base, and libjpeg |
| 18:00.46 | pablo | i'd imagine dependencies are similar |
| 18:02.26 | kergoth | what 'testing' feed are you using? |
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| 18:02.33 | kergoth | you should be using the feed that corresponds to hte image you're using. |
| 18:04.40 | alien | anybody here used OZ on the ipaq 3670? comments on OZ v Familiar? |
| 18:05.13 | kergoth | they're both debian based.. not many user visable differences. |
| 18:05.30 | kergoth | oz builds everything from source, so we can easily chagne optimizations across the board for the target and the like |
| 18:05.34 | kergoth | which is beneficial |
| 18:06.57 | pablo | kergoth: do you know who is attempting openzaurus poodle (sl-5600) testing/development? |
| 18:06.59 | alien | interesting |
| 18:08.17 | BeTa-glop | I'm on OZ testing for a Zaurus C700 |
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| 18:09.11 | kergoth | pablo: ? |
| 18:09.20 | kergoth | pablo: i dont understand the question. |
| 18:09.55 | alien | wow, #familiar is sparse compared to #oz |
| 18:10.05 | kergoth | most familiar discussion happens in #handhelds.org |
| 18:10.07 | kergoth | not #familiar |
| 18:10.13 | alien | ah |
| 18:10.19 | pablo | ker: sorry. i have a sl-5600 and i'm interesting in stabilizing openzaurus on this box. i need some contacts of folks who are playing with oz on 5600 |
| 18:10.27 | kergoth | pablo: users? developers? what? |
| 18:10.34 | pablo | s/interesting/interested/ |
| 18:10.34 | kergoth | your question is too broadly scoped. |
| 18:10.36 | pablo | developers |
| 18:10.43 | kergoth | i'm the only dev that has a 5600. |
| 18:10.52 | kergoth | and its only on loan |
| 18:11.04 | kergoth | but OZ on 5600 isnt very different from OZ on anything else. |
| 18:11.07 | kergoth | deviceisms are already handled. |
| 18:11.16 | alien | realizing that I might not get entirely objective answers, which is father ahead? familiar, or oz? I'm using familiar/opie on my ipaq 3670 right now, and its fine unless I get close to filling the 16 mb |
| 18:11.17 | kergoth | the only major outstanding 5600 oz bug is the same bug thats on the c7x0 units |
| 18:11.28 | kergoth | alien: and 'ahead' means what? |
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| 18:11.46 | alien | stability, features, usability |
| 18:12.04 | kergoth | i couldve sworn i just told you the differences are minimal. |
| 18:12.08 | kergoth | did you miss that? |
| 18:12.15 | kergoth | its a distro. how many features do you need? |
| 18:12.20 | kergoth | you can install ipks into either. |
| 18:12.49 | pablo | kergoth: thanks! the bug |
| 18:12.52 | pablo | eek |
| 18:13.00 | alien | I suppose that pretty much hammers the point home. sorry for wasting your time with newbie questions. |
| 18:13.12 | kergoth | pablo: its the keyboard handling issue. which is why a number of key combinations dont behave as they should. |
| 18:13.14 | pablo | ker: the bug(s) you were talking about are in the mantis tracking system? |
| 18:13.20 | kergoth | mantis is for opie. |
| 18:13.22 | kergoth | oz != opie. |
| 18:13.25 | kergoth | oz = oz |
| 18:13.31 | kergoth | oz *includes* opie |
| 18:13.37 | kergoth | but it could very well include anything else. |
| 18:13.37 | pablo | ok |
| 18:13.48 | kergoth | the only bts is the oz bug tracking system on the sourceforge project |
| 18:13.55 | kergoth | but the sf bug trackign is so worthless its hardly used. |
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| 18:14.09 | kergoth | we're switching to RT as our bts shortly |
| 18:15.17 | pablo | kergoth: btw, i have a box at home on dsl which can be used as bugzilla/rt whatnot |
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| 18:17.37 | kergoth | we can always use more hosting or mirror space. treke has rt setup on his server (the same one hosting our bk repos snapshots) |
| 18:19.49 | pablo | kergoth: i'm trying to understand the build system for oz... what version of opie is currently included in oz for sl-5600 (i assume that oz for sl-5600 is called poodle) |
| 18:20.00 | kergoth | "the build system" is a meaningless term |
| 18:20.11 | kergoth | there are two, one of which is deprecated and going away |
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| 18:26.05 | pablo | kerg: well. i guess i should go and edumacate myself about the buildroots in question and bug you with relevant questions 8> |
| 18:30.20 | kergoth | pablo: see the links on the openzaurus.org frontpage. 'buildroot' is the old one. new consists of a 'oe' core tools repository, and a 'packages' package metadata repository |
| 18:30.32 | kergoth | pablo: openembedded.bkbits.net for the bk repos', and treke.net/~bk/ for all the snaps |
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| 18:32.30 | kergoth | pablo: the files in doc/ in oe should outline the basics, its really pretty simple. |
| 18:34.38 | pablo | 10-4 thanks. i'll be back. if you guys so chose, we can replicate mysql for rt backend |
| 18:36.38 | pablo | (and bk) |
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| 21:50.55 | BeTa-glop | anyone can give me an advise to set up my buffalo wifi card on OZ ? |
| 21:51.10 | BeTa-glop | I've installed airnet drivers |
| 21:51.43 | BeTa-glop | aironet sorry |
| 21:52.46 | BeTa-glop | arf nope |
| 21:53.06 | BeTa-glop | i always have this mistake w/ package-modules |
| 21:54.00 | kergoth | eh? |
| 21:54.14 | kergoth | buffalo is prism, prism you should use hostap, not aironet |
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| 21:54.25 | BeTa-glop | right :) |
| 21:54.27 | BeTa-glop | thanks |
| 21:55.20 | BeTa-glop | what's about the ipkg's name or the thing I have to do to use it ? |
| 21:56.30 | BeTa-glop | ok |
| 21:56.34 | BeTa-glop | nothing at all |
| 21:57.12 | kergoth | hostap-modules is installed by default |
| 21:57.14 | BeTa-glop | the if's name is wlan0 then ? isn't it ? |
| 21:57.22 | kergoth | hostap is wlan0, yes. |
| 21:57.58 | BeTa-glop | modprobe hostap && ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 21:58.03 | BeTa-glop | gives me an error |
| 21:58.08 | BeTa-glop | and no wlan0 if :c( |
| 21:58.36 | kergoth | no |
| 21:58.42 | kergoth | you cannot modprobe a pcmcia driver manually. |
| 21:58.46 | kergoth | it *must* be loaded by cardmgr. |
| 21:59.28 | BeTa-glop | I'm quite a noob w/ zaurus and w/ pcmcia :c( |
| 21:59.29 | BeTa-glop | sorry |
| 21:59.39 | BeTa-glop | but how can i make it working ? |
| 21:59.47 | kergoth | i need a hell of a lot more information than that. |
| 21:59.51 | kergoth | you have yet to say what he problem is. |
| 21:59.57 | kergoth | does the card applet say unsupported card? |
| 21:59.59 | kergoth | what? |
| 22:00.01 | kergoth | details, man. |
| 22:00.17 | BeTa-glop | yes, it says that card is unsupported |
| 22:00.28 | BeTa-glop | the leds |
| 22:00.36 | BeTa-glop | the card leds are ok ;c) |
| 22:00.37 | kergoth | okay, although i'm pretty certain theres a howto on this on zaurus.com... |
| 22:00.46 | kergoth | you need to look at cardctl ident output |
| 22:00.52 | kergoth | then go into /etc/pcmcia/hostap_cs.conf |
| 22:00.56 | kergoth | and create an entry for this card |
| 22:00.59 | kergoth | following that syntax |
| 22:01.04 | kergoth | using the info from the cardctl ident output |
| 22:01.10 | BeTa-glop | right... might be ok |
| 22:01.11 | kergoth | then pop the card and reinsert and ssee if it shows up right |
| 22:01.19 | BeTa-glop | I didn't know this config file* |
| 22:01.19 | kergoth | if it does, email me the hostap_cs.conf entry you need added |
| 22:01.38 | BeTa-glop | k let's test it :c) |
| 22:02.39 | BeTa-glop | I have a buffalo entry |
| 22:03.02 | BeTa-glop | but manfid is commented out :c( |
| 22:03.11 | BeTa-glop | (damn, this file is pretty big :c/) |
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| 22:08.38 | BeTa-glop | kergoth: do you mean that nobody has already find a way to see his buffalo card work w/ OZ ? |
| 22:11.58 | kergoth | BeTa-glop: there could easily be multiple hardware revisions of the buffalo card |
| 22:12.03 | kergoth | BeTa-glop: that may be slightly different |
| 22:12.17 | BeTa-glop | :/ |
| 22:12.42 | BeTa-glop | and have you ever seen a buffalo card working on OZ ? |
| 22:15.11 | kergoth | BeTa-glop: ? you act like i'd somehow know about everyone using oz. |
| 22:15.19 | kergoth | BeTa-glop: why dont you try looking at the openzaurus-users mailing list archives. |
| 22:15.39 | BeTa-glop | :c) you're right ;) |
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