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00:51.24 | Subway | hmmmm..... anyone know of packages i can install on the sharp 3.10 rom to compile things on the Z? |
00:53.11 | kergoth | offtopic. #zaurus. |
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01:58.03 | rombo | have there been any updates to oz since the last release that i could have access to? |
02:28.30 | Shdwdrgn | no official releases since 3.2 |
03:08.51 | rombo | any unoffical release? |
03:09.18 | omin0us|work | hey, whats the diff between xfree86 and x11? |
03:10.08 | enki | x11 is a specification, xfree86 an implementation of that spec |
03:12.05 | omin0us|work | yeah, i just googled it |
03:12.07 | omin0us|work | thanks |
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06:12.44 | treke|home | ibot: Fuck off. |
06:12.45 | | treke|home: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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07:47.00 | keta | hi all |
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08:22.43 | keta | what do you do with packages that come from debian unstable and which change their version frequently? I'm experiencing many version changes |
08:23.01 | treke|home | ? |
08:23.13 | treke|home | You update them as they change |
08:23.16 | treke|home | or find a new mirror |
08:23.48 | keta | because I was thinking of snapshot.debian.net |
08:24.36 | keta | there one can find every debian diff, because it's a revision matter most the times |
08:24.40 | treke|home | patches welcome |
08:35.27 | lpotter_away | patches schmatches |
08:35.44 | treke|home | stinking aussie |
08:36.14 | treke|home | close enough |
08:36.30 | lpotter | treke|home: near L.A? |
08:36.48 | treke|home | yes |
08:36.56 | lpotter | smelling much smoke? |
08:36.58 | treke|home | reasonably |
08:37.05 | treke|home | whole lot |
08:37.36 | lpotter | better make backups somewhere really remote :) |
08:37.38 | treke|home | the fire was about 20 miles away |
08:37.54 | treke|home | Unless someone lights a new fire up here, there is no danger for me :) |
08:38.05 | treke|home | It was about a mile from my parents though :) |
08:38.57 | lpotter | hmm |
08:50.04 | lpotter | it's just beginning fire season here |
08:50.34 | treke|home | about the end out here. We usually start getting some rain next month |
08:51.42 | treke|home | weather is really annoying here |
08:52.00 | treke|home | It's dry as a bone 11 months out of the year, and it pours for 1 month :) |
08:55.19 | lpotter | ya, well. you have surf girls |
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09:17.58 | keta | for your knowledge, this debian snapshot seems to give right versions for debian sources needed by atm buildroot export DEBIAN_MIRROR=http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2003/10/18/debian/pool |
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09:49.08 | mouse | hi2all |
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09:49.49 | mouse | does have SA1100 FPU? |
09:50.12 | lpotter | dont think so |
09:50.45 | mouse | ok, thx |
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09:53.53 | Twiun | mouse: no, definately not. All floating point ops are emulated in the kernel |
09:54.04 | Twiun | mouse: so used int math or fixed-point math |
09:54.07 | Twiun | s.used/use/ |
09:54.40 | mouse | Twiun: ok, thanks. |
09:56.38 | jaku | hi, how can i export the calendar of opie in csv? |
09:57.10 | Twiun | how does opie currently store its calendar? |
09:58.16 | jaku | in csv? do you know where is the file? |
10:00.24 | treke|home | the calender is in xml |
10:00.28 | Twiun | jaku: it wasn't a rhetorical question - I was curious to know what the current calendar save file format is. |
10:00.34 | Twiun | treke|home: thanks |
10:00.46 | Twiun | it should be simple to convert from xml to csv |
10:01.02 | treke|home | well, the theory is that it's xml, I don't know if it's actually well formed, and I know it is not at all documented |
10:04.10 | jaku | Twiun: tks, yes it is simple to do.. for me is perfect also xml... but do you know the folder?? |
10:07.07 | Twiun | jaku: not offhand, but it should be simple to find |
10:07.36 | Twiun | jaku: drop into a console and use "find / -name '*.xml'" |
10:09.00 | jaku | Twiun: tks |
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10:27.59 | MaRk-UsE | hi all |
10:28.07 | MaRk-UsE | is this the best channel 2 discuss about Z-roms? |
10:28.34 | MaRk-UsE | I want to flash the OZ-rom to my Zaurus 5500 |
10:28.46 | Twiun | it's the best channel to discuss the OpenZaurus ROM - other roms may get mentioned I suppose |
10:29.02 | MaRk-UsE | But there a a few things I heared |
10:29.23 | MaRk-UsE | I had it installes a few weeks ago |
10:29.45 | Twiun | let us dispell some myths, no, using OZ does not increase your sex drive |
10:29.49 | MaRk-UsE | it needs a lot on power and had a load-avg over 2 the hole time |
10:30.03 | MaRk-UsE | hrhr |
10:30.55 | MaRk-UsE | could any1 explane me that please |
10:31.41 | Twiun | afaik that's caused by the buggy Sharp patches to the 2.4.6 kernel |
10:32.03 | Twiun | OZ doesn't use the later kernels yet (more development needed) |
10:34.13 | MaRk-UsE | could it be that OZ needs more power? |
10:34.39 | Twiun | of course not |
10:35.00 | Twiun | this kind of stuff is usually due to bad drivers - not putting devices to sleep when not in use |
10:35.14 | Twiun | it's still the same hardware underneath afterall |
10:36.51 | MaRk-UsE | k, what rom should I chose? 64-0, 32-32,52-12??? |
10:37.25 | Twiun | that purely depends on what kind of use you intend to put your Z to - just like the page says |
10:37.46 | MaRk-UsE | I realized that there is a problem creating links into rootfs when installing software |
10:37.59 | Twiun | what problem? |
10:38.02 | MaRk-UsE | what page`? |
10:38.16 | Twiun | the openzaurus.org download page |
10:38.38 | MaRk-UsE | if u have installed a todo app and wanna install a other todo app, links canÄt be created |
10:38.52 | MaRk-UsE | what is the official? |
10:39.04 | Twiun | well that makes sense - why would you install two identical apps? |
10:39.37 | MaRk-UsE | hrhr, the prob is also with 2 apps include the same files |
10:40.33 | Twiun | well that's a problem for whoever made the packages - have a go at them ;) |
10:40.55 | MaRk-UsE | thats why i use FreeBSD :-) |
10:41.14 | MaRk-UsE | k other question: qpe == qtopia? |
10:41.26 | MaRk-UsE | what meaning has that prefix on packages |
10:42.36 | Twiun | qpe is a holdover from the old name for qtopia - it used to be called Qt Palmtop Environment |
10:42.46 | Twiun | then Trolltech renamed it |
10:42.51 | Twiun | but kept the filenames |
10:43.52 | MaRk-UsE | damn, now I understand my problems :-) |
10:44.42 | MaRk-UsE | k, what software restrictions are intelligent? |
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10:48.41 | MaRk-UsE | would u let fingers away from some software? |
10:51.53 | Twiun | MaRk-UsE: sorry, I completely failed to understand that last statement |
10:52.04 | Twiun | s/statement/question/ |
10:52.33 | MaRk-UsE | sorry, then i completly failed saying what I want ;-) |
10:52.45 | MaRk-UsE | What software would U never install? |
10:53.22 | Twiun | me? never thought about it... I tend to only keep software I find useful |
10:54.02 | MaRk-UsE | Once I installed libc++6.1-2.....ipk and then I was ready to reflash my Z |
10:58.38 | Twiun | you said software - I took that to mean applications |
10:58.59 | Twiun | I avoid installing any kind of system-level libraries which have a chance of breaking my system |
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11:02.10 | MaRk-UsE | ok |
11:02.43 | BeTa-glop | yop |
11:02.46 | MaRk-UsE | how fast is that rom-mem? SD can 10MB/s |
11:02.54 | MaRk-UsE | is it much faster? |
11:03.24 | Twiun | SD on the Zaurus doesn't use the full capabilities of the SD card only uses 1/4 of the speed |
11:03.32 | Twiun | so SD is very slow |
11:03.50 | Twiun | and that's nothing to do with OZ in particular, it's a hardware limitation |
11:04.02 | MaRk-UsE | --> installing apps to SD will cause long startup-times? |
11:04.09 | Twiun | indeed |
11:04.21 | MaRk-UsE | sry, don't understand this |
11:04.36 | MaRk-UsE | don't know that word |
11:06.21 | Twiun | yes |
11:13.01 | MaRk-UsE | do U know how fast the rom-memory is ? |
11:13.21 | MaRk-UsE | and why does OZ only use a 1/4 of the speed? |
11:13.38 | MaRk-UsE | sry s/OD/SD/ |
11:13.44 | MaRk-UsE | sry s/OZ/SD/ *arg* |
11:14.05 | Twiun | Ask Sharp why they made that decision - I have absolutely no idea |
11:16.15 | lpotter | probably for battery performnce |
11:17.31 | MaRk-UsE | 2 Everyone: Any1 knows the rom-memory-speed??????? |
11:32.01 | Twiun | MaRk-UsE: I believe someone did some benchmarks, search on the zaurus.com/dev/board postings |
11:32.11 | Twiun | it's not something we'd remember offhand |
11:45.47 | MaRk-UsE | Is there a solution 2 put software on SD and root, without getting trouble |
11:47.02 | MaRk-UsE | I don't realy wanna do this, but I need ram and I don't wanna install all on the fucking slow SD card |
11:47.58 | MaRk-UsE | hate this looooong startup times - I HATE THEM SO MUCH oO(u know the simpsons-episode, angry-homer? *hrhr*) |
12:04.00 | MaRk-UsE | hmmm, now I'm scared. I made own throughput-benchmarks using dd |
12:04.29 | MaRk-UsE | results( writing 50X1k blocks): |
12:06.33 | MaRk-UsE | Time in Min: RAM: 3:55 , SD: 2:30, CF: 0:14 |
12:06.51 | MaRk-UsE | results(writing 2x50k blocks): |
12:07.37 | MaRk-UsE | Time in Min: RAM: 0:15, SD: 0:03, CF: 0:01 |
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12:07.58 | MaRk-UsE | --> I thought SD-card is much slower then RAM? |
12:08.42 | MaRk-UsE | Someting need to be told: Z5500 with just sharp-rom and konsole installed |
12:09.16 | MaRk-UsE | stupid testing phase |
12:15.31 | MaRk-UsE | why is it so quiet here? what time do u have? |
12:16.08 | MaRk-UsE | What time you're awake? |
12:17.48 | Twiun | I happen to be at work at the moment |
12:17.56 | Twiun | so I'm doing what I'm paid to do ;) |
12:30.31 | MaRk-UsE | yea, just put a posting to the internet, that would realy be nice |
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13:53.19 | jeroen_ | I've problems compiling the buildroot for my c700, managed to get it working with gcc-2.95 but now it fails with 3.3, can someone help me out ? |
13:53.51 | jeroen_ | Maybe a better question, is it usefull to switch to 3.3 ? |
13:55.34 | Twiun | switching to 3.3 is only worthwhile if you don't mind losing binary compatibility with all the apps out there |
13:55.42 | Twiun | all of which are compiled with 2.95.3 |
13:55.59 | jeroen_ | could't care less... what's the gain ? speed ? |
13:56.12 | Twiun | speed and memory footprint iirc |
13:56.58 | jeroen_ | ok, let's try it, the problem I get, when building opie is : |
13:57.00 | jeroen_ | undefined versioned symbol name std::time_put_w@@GLIBCPP_3.2 |
13:57.14 | jeroen_ | seems the wrong glibc is build ? |
13:57.39 | Twiun | did you clean out your build completely when you switch compilers? |
13:57.46 | Twiun | s/switch/switched/ |
13:58.04 | jeroen_ | I did a make mrproper, should I clean my ccache ? |
13:58.32 | Twiun | don't think ccache is susceptible to this |
13:58.47 | Twiun | tried selecting a different glib version in make menuconfig? |
13:58.49 | jeroen_ | but a 'make mrproper' should be enough, right ? |
13:59.19 | Twiun | it should |
13:59.40 | Twiun | although.... make mrproper won't wipe the output dirs if I recall |
13:59.49 | Twiun | just the build dirs |
14:00.33 | jeroen_ | uh, which makable is that ? |
14:01.55 | Twiun | it's the stuff in the output dir, things like output/rootfs and output/image |
14:03.12 | jeroen_ | I'll try to wipe that |
14:03.16 | jeroen_ | thanks |
14:03.56 | Twiun | np |
14:04.13 | Twiun | I'm a bit rusty with the buildroot, haven't had the occasion to use it in a while |
14:05.17 | jeroen_ | took me quite a while to compile it the first time (gcc-2.95), lots of missing/dead src URL's |
14:05.48 | Twiun | yeah, unfortunately that's sometimes due to debian moving things around |
14:06.24 | jeroen_ | lucky there are a few sites still not updated.. |
14:07.06 | Twiun | when that happens feel free to let us know, either here on irc or on the mailing list |
14:07.52 | jeroen_ | I'll do that, maybe I'll send a log when I succeed |
14:08.16 | jeroen_ | hmm, wiping the output dir completely isn't a good idea |
14:08.35 | Twiun | I did say rootfs and image ;) |
14:08.58 | jeroen_ | that's right, I was feeling good ... |
14:09.08 | jeroen_ | luckly I moved it ... |
14:09.27 | jeroen_ | so, only clean rootfs and image ? |
14:09.46 | Twiun | yeah |
14:09.58 | Twiun | try make image_clean |
14:11.38 | Twiun | have a look at the doc/BUILD file |
14:11.43 | Twiun | I think there are more make targets |
14:12.22 | jeroen_ | there are, investigting it now, the comments are a bit unclear to me |
14:12.39 | Twiun | patches welcome ;) |
14:12.52 | Twiun | seriously though... we can chat about them and I'll update the comments |
14:12.53 | jeroen_ | it's running again, I'm a bit sceptic about ccache, can I trust it ? |
14:13.14 | jeroen_ | I will |
14:14.05 | Twiun | ccache should be trustworthy |
14:16.18 | jeroen_ | so, just curious, what's the status of oe ? |
14:16.50 | Twiun | getting there ;) |
14:17.00 | Twiun | still lots of packages to migrate though |
14:17.37 | jeroen_ | before it's as complete as Gentoo ? ;-) |
14:18.01 | Twiun | no, before we can start using it to build images ;) |
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14:19.04 | jeroen_ | I'll check it out once and a while |
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15:10.01 | MaRk-UsE__ | hmmm, how can i benchmark IO? writing was done with dd, but what 4 reading? |
15:10.15 | MaRk-UsE__ | any solutions? |
15:10.21 | treke|home | ? |
15:10.28 | treke|home | You know dd can read, right? |
15:10.58 | MaRk-UsE__ | yea, but where should the output go |
15:11.21 | MaRk-UsE__ | with /dev/null my benchmark returns times <1sek |
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15:11.46 | treke|home | MaRk-UsE__: and? :p |
15:12.18 | MaRk-UsE__ | what and? |
15:12.41 | treke|home | You do realize that if you write to anywhere else, you'll be timing the time it takes to write and not read |
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15:12.55 | MaRk-UsE__ | I know |
15:13.21 | MaRk-UsE__ | but 20 sek for writing and <1 for reading can't be right |
15:14.14 | treke|home | Unless for some really broken reason dd is optimizing the read out, that's how long it took to read |
15:14.23 | treke|home | Might be caching that you are running into |
15:15.59 | MaRk-UsE__ | sry, I don't get it |
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15:17.28 | treke|home | MaRk-UsE__: If whatever you were reading was cached in ram it will take less time to read than if it has to be read off the media or file system |
15:18.04 | treke|home | That less than 1 second time is the time reported for the read, and short of horrible brokenness is somewhat accurate |
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15:18.19 | MaRk-UsE__ | k |
15:18.40 | MaRk-UsE__ | so I can say, reading is always faster then writing? |
15:19.06 | treke|home | always is a strong word :) |
15:19.27 | MaRk-UsE__ | mostly :-) |
15:19.48 | treke|home | As a general rule, that's safe to say. |
15:20.07 | MaRk-UsE__ | hrhr, k u beat me :-) |
15:21.50 | MaRk-UsE__ | I'm still not sure if it would be better if I choose the 64-0 image and put /opt /root /home on SD |
15:22.09 | MaRk-UsE__ | I hate this damn link-creation |
15:22.34 | MaRk-UsE__ | thats not a good solution |
15:23.23 | treke|home | Ifor performance? |
15:23.30 | treke|home | RAM will be faster than SD |
15:28.55 | treke|home | thats another one of those safe general rules, if sd access is faster than memory access, You've got problems :) |
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15:37.32 | MaRk-UsE__ | I think the chance to get errors while installing software is much higher when u have 2 places 4 software to be |
15:37.49 | MaRk-UsE__ | thats what I ment with "damn link creation" |
15:38.38 | MaRk-UsE__ | so I would be saver to delete /opt /home /root and link the directorys onto /mnt/card/somewhere |
15:39.07 | MaRk-UsE__ | create links 4 each file is a bit stupid I think |
15:39.50 | MaRk-UsE__ | but SD-card is has about the half speed of the ram( writing) |
15:41.06 | MaRk-UsE__ | reading times were the same while doing benchmark, but practicly it's sure slower then ram |
15:41.24 | MaRk-UsE__ | hey MaRk-UsE__: what do u think about *hrhr* |
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20:17.01 | xconduct | hi has anyone installed familiar on Z? |
20:17.13 | yeiazel | xconduct: you're better off with openzaurus |
20:17.35 | kergoth | familiar is a hell of a lot like oz anyway, you'd gain nothing. |
20:17.59 | xconduct | sure? |
20:19.04 | pb_ | yeah, kergoth is right. most familiar packages will work on oz anyway, and vice versa. |
20:19.35 | xconduct | so its nothing special... |
20:19.56 | kergoth | what exactly makes a distribution special? |
20:20.01 | kergoth | a distro is a distro |
20:20.04 | pb_ | xconduct: no, it's just a pile of bits. |
20:21.04 | xconduct | unique features.....bleeding edge....stability |
20:21.33 | kergoth | compared to one another, no. |
20:21.43 | kergoth | and bleeding edge and stability are often mutually exclusive, at least to some degree |
20:22.51 | xconduct | kergoth : are you responsible for OZ development? |
20:24.14 | lpotter_ | yes, he's the culprit |
20:24.23 | lpotter_ | its all his fault |
20:24.51 | xconduct | how many developers here help out? |
20:27.01 | lpotter_ | depends |
20:27.26 | pb_ | yeah. lpotter_ hinders, if that counts. |
20:27.39 | lpotter_ | hehee |
20:27.46 | xconduct | how will the new version of OZ compare to the tkc rom ver 2? |
20:27.58 | lpotter_ | it will be all original |
20:28.05 | xconduct | hehe |
20:28.18 | lpotter_ | instead of a hacked somebody-elese rom |
20:28.36 | lpotter_ | and it will contain opie |
20:29.13 | xconduct | is there a release date? |
20:29.24 | yeiazel | yes : september 2003 |
20:29.26 | yeiazel | :p |
20:29.51 | xconduct | ok....let me travel back and see what i missed :) |
20:29.59 | yeiazel | nothing |
20:30.01 | yeiazel | it's not out |
20:30.05 | lpotter_ | Q42003, or Q1 2004 |
20:30.15 | xconduct | cool |
20:30.21 | lpotter_ | maybe |
20:30.23 | yeiazel | you can still use OZ3.2 |
20:30.29 | xconduct | do you need more developers? |
20:30.31 | yeiazel | it's as lpotter_ described |
20:30.35 | lpotter_ | sure |
20:30.42 | yeiazel | all original and containing opie |
20:30.45 | lpotter_ | opie always needs more devs, |
20:30.58 | xconduct | i would love to get involved |
20:31.17 | lpotter_ | development? |
20:31.21 | xconduct | yes |
20:32.05 | Reddog | i'd love to help too.. but i wouldn't be much help.. |
20:32.17 | lpotter_ | grab the cvs source, join the opie-devel mailing list, pick an app hopefully one thats unmaintained, or under maintained), send patches |
20:32.26 | Reddog | i'll just stick to dealing with the hardware end of things |
20:32.37 | lpotter_ | and soon you can have write access to commit yourself |
20:33.38 | lpotter_ | it does |
20:33.46 | gawel | heh |
20:33.46 | lpotter_ | or will |
20:34.18 | kergoth | hey hardwire |
20:34.22 | xconduct | is everything developed under linux and c++ |
20:34.27 | hardwire | hey kergoth |
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20:34.35 | kergoth | opie and qt are c++. the base system, it varies |
20:35.05 | xconduct | so what dev environment is needed? |
20:35.08 | gawel | kergoth: so, err, i have a stupid question. how does one crank out (compile) a toolchain under oe buildroot? (is there a readme besides the python files) |
20:35.29 | kergoth | oe is oe, buildroot is buildroot. new one isnt called buildroot, old is |
20:35.35 | lpotter_ | you need qt2.3.2, qte2.3.7, opie, and emacs |
20:35.40 | kergoth | use correct terminology, otherwise it gets confusing |
20:35.49 | gawel | ok. |
20:35.51 | kergoth | the new one wont build a glibc chain atm. it can build a uclibc chain |
20:35.54 | lpotter_ | although _some_ people use vim |
20:36.30 | kergoth | to build a uclibc chain, use oebuild on binutils-cross, then uclibc-initial, then gcc-cross-initial, then uclibc, then gcc-cross |
20:36.34 | kergoth | iirc |
20:36.53 | kergoth | (note: when oemake is happy again, itll just be a matter of doing oebuild virtual/arm-linux-gcc virtual/arm-linux-g++; |
20:36.57 | kergoth | ) |
20:36.57 | kergoth | s/oebuild/oemake/ |
20:37.30 | lpotter_ | you shold make a gui, so I can be lazy and push a button to build stuff |
20:37.39 | lpotter_ | typing is for monkeys |
20:38.02 | lpotter_ | :) |
20:38.06 | xconduct | is there a manual to get beginner devs started? |
20:38.21 | lpotter_away | check the opie website wiki |
20:38.49 | lpotter_away | dev for opie is the easiest way to help |
20:39.14 | lpotter_away | dev for oe/buildroot you have to go through the gauntlet |
20:40.49 | gawel | kergoth: are you planning to make glibc chain buildable under oe? |
20:42.06 | kergoth | gawel: yes |
20:42.19 | kergoth | just fairly low priority atm since i can still use buildroot to build em |
20:42.23 | kergoth | i'll fix it within a week or so |
20:42.53 | kergoth | top priority right now is adding OEPKGS to oemake, and fixing oemake multiple provides handling |
20:48.33 | gawel | kergoth: so there are 289 packages under buildroot and 119 under oe. do you have a list of packages you are working on? |
20:49.03 | kergoth | ls nonworking/ |
20:49.07 | kergoth | thats my current staging area |
20:52.27 | gawel | so when do you commit packages to oemake? when they compile cleanly under oe and start on yer Z? |
20:53.01 | gawel | (sorry for all the questions. i'm hoping to be able to help out with porting packages) |
20:53.21 | kergoth | oemake is a tool. |
20:53.27 | kergoth | oe is a set of tools |
20:53.39 | kergoth | i commit packages into a metadata repository that people can run the tools against |
20:53.58 | kergoth | I move them out of nonworking when they compile, stage, install, and package into tarballs successfully. |
20:54.36 | gawel | ok |
20:54.55 | kergoth | i've tested said tarballs on a few devices |
20:55.03 | kergoth | development boards and stuff, in addition to my c750 |
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20:56.33 | gawel | that was going to be my next question. 8-) so, in said devices, did you include 5600? (that's what i have and can work with) |
20:57.10 | kergoth | no, but they'll work fine there. |
20:57.22 | kergoth | 99% of the packages dont change between devices. |
21:03.16 | gawel | kergoth: thanks. i guess i need to do more tinkering and build me a rom under oe to test packages. |
21:03.57 | kergoth | gawel: well, you dont need a rom to test package functionality |
21:04.01 | kergoth | build some ipks, install them |
21:04.05 | kergoth | or tarballs, extract them |
21:04.26 | gawel | even if i have stock sharp rom? |
21:04.42 | kergoth | that wont work due to library version dependency |
21:04.51 | kergoth | anything you biuld against glibc 2.3.x wont work on a 2.2.x box |
21:06.30 | gawel | so, i need to install rom from http://www.openzaurus.org/unofficial/experimental/poodle/2.0/ right? |
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23:48.10 | CHak | hi there, is there a dosemu port for the z? |