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03:49.14chouimathey ibot
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04:06.58muaddibOK I finially got qtopia to work were can I find samba for the sharp
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04:45.17zakkhaha
04:45.26zakkis this really a bot?
04:45.42zakkif so it's pretty stupid to have a bot that warns you for using root when it's your only choice on the zaurus...
04:45.48zakkor at least this version of oz
04:47.10W8TVIzakk, use zic
04:47.23zakkzic?
04:47.31W8TVIzic
04:47.40zakkurl plz
04:47.54W8TVIgoogle
04:48.03mithroibot whatis zic
04:48.04mithro: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ?
04:48.09mithroibot what is zic
04:48.11methinks zic is zic.sourceforge.net or an irc client
04:48.54mithrohow does zic compare to opieirc?
04:49.27zakkW8TVI: I kinda like using gaim atm
04:49.33zakkmaybe I'll try it after I get some storage
04:51.11muaddibhas anyone evrytried using a microdrive with zaurus
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04:59.29treke|homegracias
04:59.39mithroit's on my home adsl so it'll be slow
04:59.50treke|homeah.
05:00.17treke|homeI'd like to set up gaim again, but dont want to fight with building it :p
05:00.36mithroi should put it up on my host
05:00.59mithrotreke|home: "makecompat <executable>" to make the executable use the compatibility files
05:01.16mithroi have a newer/better makecompat script which is graphical
05:01.19treke|homewe'll have to add something to the launcher for that :p
05:01.59treke|hometheres a couple of things that need adding
05:02.07treke|home1) 320x240 compat
05:02.12treke|home2) Run Root
05:02.17treke|home3) GCC2
05:02.34mithroyeah
05:02.46mithrothe new makecompat uses opie-sh
05:02.52treke|homeperhaps the launcher isnt the best place to put it
05:03.00treke|homemaybe a compatibility settns app
05:03.26treke|homewould be kind of weird to have that stuff hardcoded into the launcher when it really only makes sense on a limited platform
05:04.16muaddibl
05:06.13mithrois there a way to find out if you are being run from the launcher as appose from the command line?
05:06.30treke|homedont think so
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05:15.49mithrohttp://www.aircable.net/AIRcable/ZaurusPDA.html <- cool
05:23.17mithrohttp://www.aircable.net/AIRcable/ZaurusSerial.html <- cool aswell
05:27.00mithroprice is a bit over the top - but hey
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05:32.17zakkarg, gaim keeps dissapearing
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05:50.04muaddibHow does one reinstall openzaurus and have all previous changes purged completely
05:51.21treke|homereflash
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05:53.00muaddibtreke|home: reflashing I thought just overwrites it doesn't purge
05:53.23treke|homeIt overwrites the current image in the flash
05:53.32treke|homeThere is nothing left  afterwords
05:54.07muaddibok thanks
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08:03.13zakkwhere is the reboot button for the 5500?
08:03.20zakkor what-have-you
08:03.25zakkmanaged to hardlock it thanks to nfs
08:03.31zakk(whee)
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08:09.14zakkit's just The Switch
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09:14.42__andras__hey all
09:15.20__andras__with oz (and debian for that matter), the zaurus c750 doesn't preserve time in the real-time clock across boots -- why is that?
09:15.49__andras__it doesn't even when power isn't turned off, just a simple reboot is performed
09:15.55__andras__is that a hardware or software issue?
09:16.14treke|homeBecause rebooting the pxa255 reset's the clock
09:16.46mithroand it doesn't store it anywhere
09:16.52treke|homenope
09:17.33__andras__ah, so it's a kind of hardware bug -- i would expect the chip to maintain time if it claims to have a "real-time clock" built-in...
09:18.02mithroreal-time clock means that the clock ticks in real-time?
09:18.35mithroyour clock is normally preserved by your bios/cmos+little battery between reboots
09:19.00__andras__i'll have a look at the pxa datasheet
09:19.32mithroi doubt any CPU would keep the clock across power loss
09:20.08__andras__the pxa has a collection of peripherals already built in, such as the rtc
09:20.11lpotteryes, but the sl series doesnt reset time over rebott. thats just assinine to do that
09:20.25treke|homelpotter: That's just the way the cpu works
09:20.27mithrolpotter: you mean the sl-5500?
09:20.34lpotteryes.
09:20.43mithrothat has a little backup battery
09:20.46lpotterthats stupid to reset the clock
09:20.55treke|homelpotter: Go tell intel
09:21.29treke|homeYou can do hacks like store the time on shutdown and restore it on boot, but your going to lose a fair bit of time doing that
09:21.39mithrowhich provides the power for the clock
09:25.16treke|homehttp://lists.arm.linux.org.uk/pipermail/linux-arm-kernel/2003-April/014934.html
09:26.48mithroso a  rtc module is suppose to preserve time accross reboots?
09:27.05__andras__ok, that's what i thought. so a more correct shutdown procedure would solve things
09:27.11__andras__yes, that's right
09:27.37__andras__that's what an rtc is for... keep real time independently of the cpu core...
09:27.59treke|homeif linux handled a restart differently, maybe
09:29.15mithrowhen you move that switch you killall power to the cpu?
09:29.29treke|homemithro: there is no switch
09:29.41treke|homeRebooting will kill the clock
09:29.49__andras__the switch doesn't cut power to anything
09:29.57mithrothe little switch on the back of the c7x0
09:30.01treke|homerebooting via the battery will always result in the battery going out
09:30.05treke|homemithro: that switch does nothing
09:30.34mithro?
09:31.03__andras__it only prevents the zaurus from being charged and turned on, once the thing is running, the switch has no function except mechanically lock the battery cover
09:31.48treke|homemithro: You can do stuff with the switch in software, but the switch itself doesnt do anything relevant
09:31.50mithrowhy does it cause the Z to reset when you push it back and forward
09:31.54treke|homemithro: OZ does nothing with it
09:32.01treke|homemithro: In oz it doesnt.
09:32.03__andras__i'll have a look at the linux reboot code when i get down to it
09:32.05mithroit does
09:32.10treke|homemithro: No, it doesnt
09:32.24__andras__it does on the 5500, not on the c7x0
09:32.28mithroi use it all the time to do a hard reset
09:32.34mithroi have a c700
09:32.38treke|homedid absolutly nothing
09:32.56mithrohrm it must be diffrent between C700 to C7[56]0
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09:33.30mithrohrm - but it even works when it's hard locked
09:34.10__andras__ah, i think i read in klaus weidner's flash rescue instructions that the switch behaves differently on the c700
09:34.39treke|home__andras__: my guess is the current settup just returns to the bootloader on shutdown and then waits for the bootloader to start a kernel.
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09:49.06Twiunaha!... found this on a japanese page: Display=640x480/144dpi,480x640/144dpi
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09:53.20ShALLaXhmm cool
09:53.30ShALLaXdebian isnt that bad for v0.15 on the Z
09:53.55__andras__which debian? which zaurus?
09:54.01ShALLaX5500
09:54.38__andras__matt's debian?
09:54.43mithrohttp://www.mithis.com/zaurus/ipkgs/oz-compat_0.3_arm.ipk
09:55.56ShALLaXyeah
09:56.00ShALLaXmithro: whats that?
09:56.23mithrofor the c7x0 oz compiled with gcc 3.3 to allow it to run gcc 2.95.x apps
09:57.13ShALLaXah
09:58.01__andras__mithro: what's the background of that incompatibility, anyway?
09:58.44mithrogcc developers broke binary compatibility
09:59.19mithrodunno why
09:59.47TwiunI'm sure there will be info on the gcc pages/mailing lists
10:02.04mithromost of the stuff was in compiler geek talk which i couldn't understand
10:04.47Twiunlol
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10:05.36__andras__mithro: sorry, i had to reboot because my webcam crashed my computer -- what did you say about the gcc incompatibility?
10:05.47mithro[20:33] <mithro> gcc developers broke binary compatibility
10:05.47mithro[20:34] <mithro> dunno why
10:05.47mithro[20:34] <Twiun> I'm sure there will be info on the gcc pages/mailing lists
10:05.47mithro[20:36] <mithro> most of the stuff was in compiler geek talk which i couldn't understand
10:06.14__andras__ok, good to know
10:06.43__andras__but it's strange anyway: why would gcc affect binary compatibility (which should be the reign of binutils really)
10:06.53mithrobut i think it went along the lines of, the current stuff is a horrible hack we should redo it to be better(tm) - gcc 3.0 is a good time as any to break compatibility
10:06.54__andras__is that on the pxa only or on all arm?
10:07.06mithroon all platforms
10:07.16mithrothey change the way C++ shared libs work i belive
10:07.31__andras__ah, so it's c++ only! now i get it
10:07.37__andras__now this one isn't new to me at all
10:07.47__andras__ok, yes, libstdc++ changed
10:08.00__andras__it should affect any non-c++ packages then
10:08.19Twiuns/should/shouldn't/
10:09.07Twiungets confusing otherwise :)
10:10.17__andras__yes, i think it's time to go to work now
10:11.10__andras__Twiun: debian on the c750 works fine so far, the x server is up and running, wlan now works (with hostap, but NOT with wlan_ng for some strange reason), and i'm just going to set up pppoe for the wlan at work
10:11.58__andras__the only big issues remaining are the rtc, suspending/resuming, and of course cleaning up that embedix heap of dirty hacks, but i'll leave that till after christmas...
10:12.16Twiunit's quite a lot of work already
10:12.33__andras__and the touchscreen is calibrated, btw, i wrote a little python script
10:13.49__andras__it seems that nobody has tested that kernel driver (ads7846*) because buggy when it comes to kernel-level calibration
10:14.02heatxsinkhrmm
10:14.33Twiun__andras__: that sounds like useful work for OE ;)
10:15.23__andras__any news on kergoth's mmc/sd driver, btw? once that's done, there is no obstacle for getting rid of all the sharp rubbish in the kernel for good
10:16.08TwiunI think he had a deadline with ts stuff last week
10:16.44mithrothe sd/mmc would be common to all pxa25x 's wouldn't it?
10:16.52__andras__oh, i see
10:17.12__andras__mithro: should be, assuming the c7x0 uses the built-in mmc controller
10:17.29mithroi know it does - hence why it only supports 1 bit operation
10:17.33mithro(instead of 4)
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11:04.12susulicahi can someone help me pleas? i have a sharp zaurus 5500 with oz 3.2 and a 256 CF... the cf is fat formated... to be able to install ok applications i have  made a 128M file formated as ext2fs and i mount it using a loop device
11:05.17susulicahow can i make it to mount every time i reset the zaurus (from time to time it crashes and i reset zaurus quit a lot (oace - twice a day...)) (doom crashes...)
11:05.34susulicai appologise for my english but i home you understand what i am writing...
11:06.03susulicai have made a init.d script and i have added the script to rc2.d
11:06.14susulicathe script runs but does not mount my file...
11:06.24susulicawhere shuld i put the script???
11:06.42Twiundoes your script run *after* your CF card is mounted?
11:06.49susulicayes...
11:07.26Twiunhave you added "set -x" at the beginning of your script and varified it's doing what you wanted it to?
11:07.45susulicai have tryed eaven to add a line in fstab an in the script a do a couple of time mount -a
11:08.16Twiunyeah, but I don't think fstab will be where you want to add this - the CF card is mounted through hotplug afaik
11:08.34susulica.... what does set -x?
11:08.51Twiunit echoes every command
11:10.16susulica...ok i will try that to... but i have tested the script and it works ok (if i will run it from the comand promt it does what it should... )... but does not do the same at boottime...
11:10.43susulicais there a whay to get read of the boot imake and show the init messages?
11:11.00susulicai have tryed to modify /etc/default and make verbouse=yes but nothing happens...
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11:11.36mithroTwiun: what hardware do you have?
11:12.45Twiunmithro: 5000d
11:13.23ShALLaXhahah woot zdebian is great
11:13.25ShALLaXgot xfce running
11:13.26ShALLaX;
11:13.28Twiunsusulica: remember that scripts you run manually and scripts run at boot time will not have the same environment setup
11:13.28ShALLaX:)
11:13.59mithroTwiun: only?
11:14.17Twiunmithro: yup
11:14.33Twiunmithro: I'm not made of money you know :)
11:14.46susulicaTwiun: yes...ok... the if i will make the script "set -x" the would i see the output at the boottime??
11:16.19Twiunsusulica: most likely - I haven't messed with this kind of stuff for a while
11:18.16susulicaok.. thank you
11:18.37mithroand here I am complaining about only having 7.1mb free on root after i install the oz-compat lib
11:19.08Twiunmithro: yeah, I wouldn't even think about installing that
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11:25.58mithroit appears some people at the tkc don't know anything about jffs
11:27.51Twiunam I supposed to look surprised?
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11:39.53mithrohrm - for some reason my resolution changing patch no longer works on my c700 :(
11:39.57mithroand i have no idea why
11:40.09ShALLaXbecause you broke it
11:40.43Twiunthat'd do it
11:40.44mithrothe thing is i havn't change code
11:41.12ShALLaXor have you
11:41.25mithromode "480x640-813802"
11:41.25mithro<PROTECTED>
11:41.36mithroShALLaX: no - i havn't change any code at all
11:41.43ShALLaXoh ok
11:41.44ShALLaX:\
11:41.57ShALLaX250000 mhz?
11:43.10mithroyeah
11:43.16mithrothat doesn't make alot of sense
11:43.40mithroanyone alive here got a C700?
11:46.03lpotter:)
11:46.17lpotteri have one
11:47.28mithrocan you run fbset and paste the output
11:47.29mithro?
11:47.38lpotterpaste?
11:48.19lpotterhang on
11:48.20Twiunlpotter: ssh into your c700 of course
11:48.23mithroif you ssh into it you can copy/paste easy enough
11:49.47lpotterroot@qtopia:~# fbset
11:49.47lpottermode "480x640-813802"
11:49.47lpotter<PROTECTED>
11:49.47lpotter<PROTECTED>
11:49.48lpotter<PROTECTED>
11:49.50lpotter<PROTECTED>
11:49.52lpotter<PROTECTED>
11:49.54lpotterendmode
11:50.11Twiunhmmm, unaccelerated?
11:50.12mithrohrm os you are getting the same as me
11:50.39lpotterthere's accel?
11:50.59Twiunlpotter: I thought the fb driver was accelerated?
11:51.17lpotternot that I know.. but what do I know
11:51.31mithromaybe this opie is to old...
11:51.39lpotternot opie
11:51.41lpotterhere
11:52.11lpotterhmm
11:53.17mithrolpotter: you can't, the acceleration isn't done at the kernel level which fbset would see from what i know
11:53.42lpotterbut... I wwwwaaaaaaannnnnaaaaaaa
11:54.03lpotterI wwwwaaaaannnnnnnnaaaaaa accelerated framebuffer
11:54.15lpotterpllllllleeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaasssssssssseeeeeeeeeeee??????
11:54.20lpotter:)
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15:13.39mousechouimat: evening :)
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16:03.31kc8pxyheya all
16:04.04kc8pxyanyone awake and responsive??
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18:14.48Stuppodhi there, which is the latest (unoffical) OZ release for the 750? is it the rom from end of august?
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19:19.35zakkare there any 2.6.0 test patches for the usbdnet functionality?
19:20.51Dessimat0rany new betas, alphas, or otherwise of OZ for Zaurus SL-5500?
19:20.55Dessimat0rflashable ones that don't need compilation ;)
19:22.53zakkah
19:22.54zakknm
19:22.59zakkit's in the kernel already
19:23.07zakkreading old documentation is bad
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19:34.33__andras__zakk: what's the status of support for c750 in the 2.6.x kernels? do i still need the embedix patch?
19:36.17zakkno idea
19:36.21zakkI don't have a c750
19:36.46zakkif there is something you want me to specifically look for that will denote support for the c750, I can do that
19:39.19__andras__zakk: ok, don't worry, just because you mentioned the usbd drivers in 2.6.x
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20:37.20hardwiremd5sums are good.. but winxp formated the CF
20:37.24hardwireprobably not gonna flash.. is it
20:38.03lpotterheh
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20:47.37__andras__has anyone here done succeeding doing that?
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21:15.39ZipLockI'm trying to sync my Zaurus with Outlook using Intellisync. I followed the instructions in the FAQ on the OZ website and now have IP connectivity between my desktop and the Zaurus, but Intellisync keeps failing and telling me to check that my PC Link applications settings on the Zaurus match the Zaurus Manager settings on my PC. Anyone have any ideas about what I could be doing wrong here?
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21:30.13ZipLockI'm trying to sync my Zaurus with Outlook using Intellisync. I followed the instructions in the FAQ on the OZ website and now have IP connectivity between my desktop and the Zaurus, but Intellisync keeps failing and telling me to check that my PC Link applications settings on the Zaurus match the Zaurus Manager settings on my PC. Anyone have any ideas about what I could be doing wrong here?
21:31.43jdh41ZipLock: have you tried setting the security applet to allow connections from all IPs?
21:31.51ZipLockjdh41: Yes
21:32.23jdh41and Intellisync is looking at the right IP?
21:32.45zakkwhee
21:32.54zakktrying to ssh to my zaurus locked my laptop
21:32.57ZipLockThe "Host IP" field in Zaurus Manager should be the IP of the usbd0 interface on the Zaurus, right?
21:33.10jdh41ZipLock: think so
21:33.19ZipLockjdh41: Then yes
21:33.28zakkhoo boy
21:33.29zakkdid it again
21:33.32zakkis there anyway around this?
21:33.52jdh41ZipLock: I'm no expert on it sadly, was just suggesting the obvious things
21:34.18ZipLockzakk: When I SSH to my Z, it hangs for a minute after the connection is established before I get the shell prompt
21:34.28jdh41zakk: what do you mean by "locked"
21:34.34ZipLockjdh41: Yeah, I've been trying to figure this out for a few days
21:34.37zakkI mean X stopped working/I couldn't ssh into my laptop
21:34.54zakkI had to sysrq s-u-b to get it to do anything
21:34.59jdh41zakk: surely an outside device shouldn't have that effect?
21:35.18zakkthis /is/ 2.6.0 land
21:35.31jdh41fun.
21:35.37zakkbut then everything else works fine, normally
21:36.01zakkjust need to get this working so I can put wireless-tools back on my zaurus and use the wifi card
21:36.47jdh41ZipLock: does qtopia desktop work? Might be worth a try, though obv. you want IntelliSync for Outlook
21:37.12ZipLockjdh41: I haven't tried Qtopia Desktop, it wouldn't do me a lot of good
21:37.26ZipLockjdh41: All the data I need on my Z is in Outlook
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21:38.23jdh41jsut suggesting that if you can get that to work it might give you some ideas on the other thing
21:38.32jdh41you don't have any firewalls or anything
21:38.47jdh41I seem to remeber someone blocking the port in the past
21:38.59ZipLockNot on my desktop machine
21:39.16ZipLockDoes the desktop establish a TCP connection to a port on the Z?
21:39.22jdh41think so
21:39.29ZipLockYou know what port?
21:39.41jdh41ZipLock: not off the top of my head
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21:41.01jdh41I seem to remeber it being FTP on a non-standard port
21:41.26ZipLockYeah
21:41.36ZipLockI portscanned my Z and the only port that responded was 22
21:41.59jdh414242
21:42.14jdh41<PROTECTED>
21:42.53jdh41its probably a silent port and has a preset password etc. so this is why the security of only allowing syncs from given IP subnets was added
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21:44.41ZipLockOk, it looks like there IS an FTP server responding on my Z on 4242
21:45.16jdh41its something like root/rootme
21:45.51jdh41but if you can connect to it, then thats probably not your problem
21:46.32jdh41or jsut root/nothing  where nothing is literally the empty string
21:47.03ZipLockI'm installing Ethereal and see if I can sniff anything useful
21:47.12ZipLockjdh41: Thanx fo rthe help
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