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| 00:59.43 | ShALLaX | these screen protectors are hardly great |
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| 02:01.46 | ominae | anyone in here able to sync their Z with linux |
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| 02:08.14 | ominae | hello |
| 02:08.50 | bisc0tti | hi all, I tried to upgrade my OZ 3.2 opie so I can try and sync with Qtopia 1.7 but now opie won't start. I tried everything in the FAQ but I still just boot to a prompt. Can someone help? |
| 02:08.52 | ominae | anyone around? |
| 02:09.12 | bisc0tti | dunno, just got here |
| 02:10.14 | nerdboy | hoy |
| 02:10.42 | bisc0tti | awwwweeee yeah, it's quite in here |
| 02:11.16 | bisc0tti | quiet in here...oooops |
| 02:12.04 | ominae | where you able to get you Z to sync witht the linux desktop |
| 02:12.46 | nerdboy | syncs with the qtopia-desktop thing just fine |
| 02:12.48 | bisc0tti | well, I was originally trying to sync with my Outlook XP on WinXp |
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| 02:13.10 | ominae | but what about linux |
| 02:13.28 | bisc0tti | not sure |
| 02:13.33 | nerdboy | qtopia-desktop-bin 1.6.2 |
| 02:13.38 | ominae | not sure if you can or not sure how? |
| 02:13.54 | ominae | nerdboy on linux? |
| 02:13.56 | bisc0tti | well I use my Z for work which I have XP and Outlook |
| 02:14.56 | bisc0tti | my laptop is dual boot with debian, but haven't tried qtopia desktop with linux yet |
| 02:15.27 | bisc0tti | from what I read, if you upgrade opie to 1.0+ it will work |
| 02:15.41 | aw | whenever i install something the Z hangs for like 15 secs. Is this normal? |
| 02:15.49 | bisc0tti | but I tried according to the faq, and now I just get a command prompt |
| 02:17.12 | nerdboy | ominae: go here => ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qtopia/desktop |
| 02:17.44 | bisc0tti | if I reinstall oz 3.2 it's just going to put me back to opie version 0.93 or something. but I think I need something that is above version 1.0 |
| 02:17.46 | nerdboy | i haven't tried 1.7.0 yet, but 1.6.2 works |
| 02:18.20 | bisc0tti | 1.6.2 works with a stock install of OZ 3.2 for you? |
| 02:19.20 | nerdboy | i haven't had a chance to try the latest OZ |
| 02:19.37 | nerdboy | i lost my CF card somehow |
| 02:19.45 | bisc0tti | somehow? heh heh |
| 02:20.04 | nerdboy | i'm stuck on sharp until i get another one |
| 02:20.07 | bisc0tti | actually I shouldn't talk, I lost my wireless card once |
| 02:20.41 | bisc0tti | did you upgrade to the new sharp rom? |
| 02:21.56 | ominae | ok how come all the sync menus are greyed out in qtopia |
| 02:22.24 | bisc0tti | that sounds like what I am dealing with |
| 02:22.36 | bisc0tti | what version of qtopia? |
| 02:22.44 | ominae | 1.6 |
| 02:23.08 | bisc0tti | I'm on 1.7 and it's doing the same |
| 02:23.30 | bisc0tti | did you upgrade your version of opie? |
| 02:23.53 | nerdboy | it means it doesn't have a connection |
| 02:24.04 | nerdboy | what kernel modules are you using? |
| 02:24.23 | ominae | not sure detects the Z on boot and it sees in usbview |
| 02:24.42 | bisc0tti | well I could ping my Z, so the connection should have been fine |
| 02:24.54 | nerdboy | depending on which modules are there, it might load the wrong one |
| 02:25.05 | ominae | what does it require? |
| 02:25.16 | nerdboy | use the usbnet module |
| 02:25.25 | ominae | is there a how to on this cuz I haven't seen one |
| 02:25.43 | nerdboy | you might have to blacklist usbdnet and maybe cdcether |
| 02:26.23 | nerdboy | what's your kernel version? |
| 02:26.32 | nerdboy | and is it the redhat kernel? |
| 02:26.33 | ominae | 2.4.20-20 |
| 02:26.37 | ominae | yeah |
| 02:26.42 | ominae | redhat 9 |
| 02:26.57 | nerdboy | plug in your Z and do lsmod |
| 02:27.17 | ominae | k |
| 02:27.37 | ominae | done, what am I looking for |
| 02:28.02 | aw | so a 15 second or so hangup is normal after installin an app? |
| 02:28.50 | nerdboy | usbnet |
| 02:28.59 | ominae | it's loaded |
| 02:29.22 | nerdboy | it's not usbdnet, right? |
| 02:29.27 | ominae | correct |
| 02:29.34 | ominae | usbnet |
| 02:29.38 | bisc0tti | starting opie... |
| 02:29.41 | bisc0tti | bus error |
| 02:29.44 | bisc0tti | ugh |
| 02:29.47 | bisc0tti | help |
| 02:30.07 | nerdboy | and are you using the redhat firewall thing? |
| 02:30.11 | zakk | are startup screens in OZ not bmps? |
| 02:30.25 | ominae | yeah i am but port 22 and 23 are open |
| 02:31.32 | ominae | i configure the Z to have ip address 192.168.0.3 for my network |
| 02:32.28 | ominae | NB you with me |
| 02:33.06 | nerdboy | With the latest ROMS qtopia has been "hardened" a little bit and now accepts only connections on port 4242 and 4343 ( ftp and sync ports ) from an IP that has been assigned by the Zaurus's dhcp server or that is equal to 192.168.129.1 |
| 02:33.24 | nerdboy | that's on this howto => http://www.ruault.com/Zaurus/ethernet-over-usb-howto.html |
| 02:34.18 | ominae | thanks |
| 02:34.30 | zakk | anyone else seen lockups on the computer that is trying to sync with the z? |
| 02:34.59 | ominae | does this kernel need to be patched |
| 02:35.49 | nerdboy | no, you already have the right driver loaded |
| 02:36.00 | nerdboy | just change the IP |
| 02:36.38 | nerdboy | and make sure those ports are open |
| 02:38.54 | ominae | 192.168.129.1 i can ping it now i'll try configuring the firewall |
| 02:40.03 | ominae | i turned the firewall off but qtopia still doesn't see it |
| 02:43.36 | ominae | still there |
| 02:43.51 | nerdboy | no firewall, and still no sync? |
| 02:44.12 | ominae | correct |
| 02:44.18 | nerdboy | what's the IP on computer side? |
| 02:44.20 | ominae | i am pinging the hell out of it though |
| 02:45.38 | ominae | any ideas |
| 02:46.39 | nerdboy | check this out => http://lists.zaurus.com/pipermail/zaurus-general/2003-February/012022.html |
| 02:51.57 | ominae | no nerdboy you said you got this running on redhat.... what rom? |
| 02:52.43 | ominae | *now |
| 02:57.17 | nerdboy | ominae: it's under /etc/sysconfig |
| 02:57.25 | nerdboy | in the networking stuff |
| 02:57.49 | nerdboy | i'm not even sure what ROM i have right now |
| 02:58.16 | nerdboy | it's a sharp i hacked a little to use SD card, plus other software |
| 02:58.42 | nerdboy | probably several months old |
| 03:00.28 | ominae | that files isn't on my machine |
| 03:01.01 | ominae | lo and eth only no usb |
| 03:01.55 | nerdboy | you get an interface when you plug it in, right? |
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| 03:02.35 | nerdboy | try those modules.conf entries and set the interface stuff |
| 03:05.08 | aw | is there an smtp server in oz feed? |
| 03:05.41 | treke|home | no |
| 03:05.54 | aw | thnks |
| 03:07.00 | aw | the alarms dont seem to wrk in todo app, any clues? |
| 03:11.39 | ominae | nerdboy what? |
| 03:12.53 | nerdboy | huh? |
| 03:14.10 | nerdboy | ominae: what does ifconfig say when your z is plugged in? |
| 03:19.15 | aw | how do i assign an app (xmms) toa mime type? |
| 03:24.14 | __andras__ | ominae: what distro are you using? |
| 03:24.39 | ominae | rh9 |
| 03:25.26 | __andras__ | ominae: are you getting a usb0 interface at all when you plug the zaurus in? (ifconfig -a) |
| 03:25.37 | ominae | yeah |
| 03:25.46 | __andras__ | ominae: ok, so what's the issue? |
| 03:25.51 | ominae | Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 0A:E6:83:80:25:65 |
| 03:25.51 | ominae | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.51 | ominae | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.51 | ominae | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.51 | ominae | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.54 | ominae | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.56 | ominae | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.58 | ominae | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:26.08 | ominae | qtopia ain't seeing it |
| 03:26.16 | kergoth | "ain't seeing it" |
| 03:26.23 | kergoth | lets try giving some actual useful information, shall we? |
| 03:26.25 | ominae | i need the z to be 192.168.0.3 |
| 03:26.27 | kergoth | details. |
| 03:26.30 | kergoth | no, you dont |
| 03:26.35 | ominae | ok |
| 03:26.47 | ominae | when i try to sync all the buttons are greyed out |
| 03:26.54 | __andras__ | ominae: why do you need the z on that address? the de-facto standard seems to be 192.168.129.1 |
| 03:27.19 | __andras__ | ominae: that's what i use anyway, and it would also be compatible with your redhat box's setup |
| 03:27.39 | __andras__ | ominae: can you communicate with the z at all? ssh into it? |
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| 03:28.03 | __andras__ | ominae: as long as you can't don't even dream of syncing |
| 03:28.18 | kergoth | want to bet he assigned his desktop usb interface to the same ip as the usb interfae on the Z? :P |
| 03:28.26 | __andras__ | ominae: does the interface come up on the z? |
| 03:28.34 | ominae | i can ping it |
| 03:28.45 | __andras__ | kergoth: or the usbd0 is set to not come up automatically... |
| 03:29.01 | __andras__ | ominae: so what's the problem? |
| 03:29.23 | __andras__ | ominae: interface is called usb0 on the host, usbd0 on the z |
| 03:29.32 | kergoth | no |
| 03:29.44 | kergoth | if you enable bring up on boot, you'll *cause* more problems than you solve. |
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| 03:29.47 | kergoth | see the mailing list archives |
| 03:30.36 | __andras__ | kergoth: that's not what i mean. but if you screw up the /etc/network/interfaces file, for instance by deleting the usbd0 entry or renaming the interface thinking that usbd0 is a typo, you can get this kind of trouble... |
| 03:30.56 | ominae | i dodn't even have that file in that dir |
| 03:31.06 | kergoth | heh, thatd be your problem then |
| 03:31.31 | __andras__ | yes, but if he can ping it as he said, then all should be ok... |
| 03:31.45 | ominae | so create that file |
| 03:31.50 | kergoth | what are you pinging? |
| 03:31.55 | kergoth | i'm betting your pinging yourself. |
| 03:31.55 | ominae | the Z |
| 03:32.00 | kergoth | *what* |
| 03:32.03 | kergoth | i told you, details. |
| 03:32.03 | ominae | i bet i'm not dic... |
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| 03:32.07 | kergoth | generalizations, summary, are *useless* |
| 03:32.15 | kergoth | if you want help, provide information |
| 03:32.41 | ominae | well what information |
| 03:32.50 | kergoth | what are you pinging? |
| 03:32.54 | kergoth | what, exact ip? |
| 03:32.55 | __andras__ | ominae: to be explicit: do, on the zaurus: "ifconfig; ping -c 1 192.168.129.1" |
| 03:33.29 | ominae | for like the 20000000 time I am ping the Zaurus at 129.168.200.1 |
| 03:33.59 | kergoth | is the zaurus at 129.168.200.1 according to ifconfig on the zaurus? |
| 03:34.12 | kergoth | i dont care what you think you do. if you want help, give detailed information |
| 03:34.19 | kergoth | you keep giving half responses |
| 03:34.29 | ominae | andras PING 192.168.129.1 (192.168.129.1) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 03:34.29 | ominae | From 192.168.129.200 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable |
| 03:34.56 | kergoth | okay, on the desktop run ifconfig usb0, what ip does it have? |
| 03:35.18 | ominae | 192.168.129.200 |
| 03:35.29 | kergoth | your zaursu and desktop both have 192.168.129.200? |
| 03:35.30 | __andras__ | ominae: now here we have some information. your interface seems to be misconfigured or the route screwed up really hard |
| 03:35.32 | kergoth | they have to have different IPs. |
| 03:35.37 | kergoth | man, did i call it or what? |
| 03:35.38 | kergoth | ;) |
| 03:35.49 | ominae | then tell me how to fix it genius |
| 03:36.07 | __andras__ | ominae: make the interface on the host 192.168.129.200, on the zaurus 192.168.129.201 |
| 03:36.09 | kergoth | heh, if you're going to make demands, you can fix it yourself. |
| 03:36.25 | __andras__ | ominae: that's how most people do it i think |
| 03:36.33 | ominae | andras hos so please |
| 03:36.38 | ominae | how so |
| 03:36.42 | __andras__ | ominae: netmask 255.255.255.0 in both cases |
| 03:36.52 | nerdboy | the host (redhat) side has to be 192.168.129.1 |
| 03:37.05 | ominae | wait slow down |
| 03:37.09 | ominae | the host? |
| 03:37.12 | ominae | my box? |
| 03:37.19 | __andras__ | ominae: how so what? this is the way you have to do it. you can choose any ips you like, but they have to be DIFFERENT, and in the SAME subnet as dictated by the netmask |
| 03:37.34 | __andras__ | ominae: host = desktop or whatever your redhat runs on |
| 03:37.53 | ominae | no dude the router auto assigns ips i'm not changing it |
| 03:38.04 | kergoth | the ip on the USB INTERFACE on your desktop |
| 03:38.05 | ominae | i said that a long time ago |
| 03:38.05 | kergoth | NOT YOUR ETHERNET |
| 03:38.10 | kergoth | ip is not bound to machine |
| 03:38.11 | ominae | ahhhh |
| 03:38.14 | kergoth | ip is bound to INTERFACE |
| 03:38.17 | kergoth | usb0, not eth0 |
| 03:38.19 | ominae | ok how do i assign it a differnt ip |
| 03:39.10 | ominae | ............ ???? |
| 03:39.16 | ominae | dude i am new |
| 03:39.23 | kergoth | you set the ip on the interfae the same way you set the ip on any linux interface |
| 03:39.29 | kergoth | there are linux howtos on this stuff. its distribution specific |
| 03:39.31 | ominae | which is how |
| 03:39.33 | nerdboy | __andras__: need a tourniquet? |
| 03:39.35 | kergoth | so google for configuring a network interface in redhat. |
| 03:39.47 | kergoth | or, you can do it the easy way |
| 03:39.51 | kergoth | netconfig --help |
| 03:39.59 | kergoth | i forget the syntax, you can use netconfig to configure usb0 |
| 03:40.00 | nerdboy | either use the redhat config tool or ifconfig |
| 03:40.06 | ominae | if you know tell me ... i google a million and 1 things that why i am in here asking for help |
| 03:40.12 | kergoth | netconfig is best, then when hotplug calls ifup usb0, life is good |
| 03:40.22 | kergoth | i just fucking told you what to google for |
| 03:40.32 | kergoth | you dont even have to *think* of what keywords to use for gods skae |
| 03:41.02 | ominae | netconfig changes my ethernet interface |
| 03:41.08 | kergoth | no, it doesnt |
| 03:41.12 | kergoth | i told you, run netconfig --help |
| 03:41.15 | kergoth | or read man netconfig |
| 03:41.20 | kergoth | theres a commandline option to select what interface |
| 03:41.21 | kergoth | i just told you this. |
| 03:41.31 | kergoth | its like netconfig -d usb0 or something. the man page will tell you |
| 03:42.19 | ominae | yeah it brings up ether net configuration in redhat 9 |
| 03:43.07 | kergoth | are you really as inept as you sound? |
| 03:43.11 | kergoth | i dont care what the gui says. |
| 03:43.15 | kergoth | read the man page |
| 03:43.20 | kergoth | specify the interface |
| 03:43.32 | ominae | i did |
| 03:43.37 | Reddog | and beat it with a large club, and it will work |
| 03:43.41 | kergoth | so whats the problem? |
| 03:43.46 | __andras__ | ominae: so what's the problem? |
| 03:43.50 | __andras__ | :) |
| 03:43.50 | kergoth | the gui says ethernet configuration? who cares |
| 03:44.05 | kergoth | just use the tool |
| 03:44.16 | ominae | your a arrogant dick because you know something i don't.. so you try to humilate me |
| 03:44.23 | ominae | that's the problem |
| 03:44.27 | kergoth | no, i point you to resources |
| 03:44.32 | kergoth | and you cant bother to fucking read. |
| 03:44.35 | kergoth | thats the problem. |
| 03:44.41 | ominae | stop responding to me |
| 03:44.47 | ominae | tool chest |
| 03:44.58 | __andras__ | ominae: usb0 IS an ethernet interface because that's what protocol it runs, even if it's over usb |
| 03:45.44 | Reddog | why come here for help, and then not follow the help you're given? |
| 03:45.44 | ominae | yeah but my question is i am using a router to auto assign ip addresses won't that effect me if i reconfigure |
| 03:46.02 | kergoth | you arent reconfiguring eth0, you're reconfiguring usb0. your router affects eth0, not usb0. |
| 03:46.10 | kergoth | which we've told you once already. |
| 03:46.13 | __andras__ | ominae: that's a different interface, forget it, you're dealing with usb0, not eth0 |
| 03:46.47 | __andras__ | ominae: this is not some stone-age software you're using which can only handle network interface -- hell i have 5 on my machine in front of me! |
| 03:46.55 | nerdboy | ominae: just configure usb0 for 192.168.129.1 |
| 03:46.58 | ominae | k |
| 03:47.00 | __andras__ | handle ONE interface that is |
| 03:47.30 | kergoth | ominae: for future reference, when someone gives you something to read, read it. relying on others and refusing to learn will get you nowhere. |
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| 03:48.23 | __andras__ | ominae: some people are here to help you, but they are also quite busy doing other things, so please make the effort to read everything carefully. things have been said here many times over and over. |
| 03:48.52 | ominae | ..... well i did what was told to me and it still don't work |
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| 03:49.05 | __andras__ | ominae: did you configure the z right as well? |
| 03:49.21 | __andras__ | ominae: also, "don't work" isn't very useful -- what happens? |
| 03:49.24 | ominae | no |
| 03:49.50 | ominae | what address should the Z have i gave the interface 192.168.129.1 |
| 03:50.09 | kergoth | "the interface", i assume you mean the desktop usb interface |
| 03:50.13 | kergoth | detail, detail. |
| 03:50.16 | ominae | yes |
| 03:50.29 | kergoth | give the Z 192.168.129.201 |
| 03:50.40 | kergoth | in the Zaurus network tool |
| 03:50.59 | Pendalar | heh I keep thinking I'm walking into the same conversation with kergoth aggervated at some user for a reason which involves stupidity or lack of effort |
| 03:51.22 | Pendalar | but finally I realized it's not the same conversation, different people getting mocked |
| 03:51.24 | Pendalar | ;-) |
| 03:51.36 | kergoth | what can i say, people dont like reading :) |
| 03:51.48 | Pendalar | true, but then they join IRC |
| 03:51.54 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:51.55 | Pendalar | which is well without pictures |
| 03:51.55 | kergoth | good point |
| 03:51.58 | ominae | does it need to have a gateway and pri and sec dns? assigned |
| 03:52.03 | Pendalar | unless it's oh so leet ascii art |
| 03:52.14 | kergoth | ominae: on the Z side, put your desktop usb interface ip as the gateway. leave dns unset for now. |
| 03:52.15 | treke|home | what does pri have to do anything with it |
| 03:52.23 | treke|home | errr. nm. primary, not pri |
| 03:52.26 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:52.30 | zakk | kergoth: are OZ boot splash screens pngs? |
| 03:52.34 | kergoth | i was thinking PRI too, like PRI vs BRI |
| 03:52.42 | kergoth | zakk: the very very first image you see? thats in kernel |
| 03:52.44 | kergoth | for now |
| 03:52.48 | zakk | ah |
| 03:52.51 | zakk | junk |
| 03:52.58 | kergoth | yeah, doesnt really belong there |
| 03:53.03 | kergoth | just replaced the existing penguin image for now |
| 03:53.05 | kergoth | er |
| 03:53.11 | zakk | I spent about 30 minutes making new ones and then realized that the instructions I was reading were for the sharp rom |
| 03:53.12 | kergoth | well, sharp has their own logo display crap |
| 03:53.20 | kergoth | in 2.4.21 we just replaced the penguin |
| 03:53.39 | zakk | oh the fb penguin? |
| 03:53.43 | zakk | hmm |
| 03:53.46 | kergoth | yea |
| 03:53.54 | kergoth | so 2.4.21 just has this little OZ banner acrosst he top |
| 03:54.02 | kergoth | you can see a screenshot ont he screenshots page on oz's site |
| 03:54.10 | zakk | treke|home: is the build I'm going to use tomorrow 2.4.21? |
| 03:54.10 | treke|home | you have any screens shots of the .6 banner? |
| 03:54.14 | treke|home | zakk: no |
| 03:54.17 | zakk | k |
| 03:54.18 | kergoth | hmm dont think so |
| 03:54.18 | treke|home | .21 isn't suable |
| 03:54.27 | kergoth | yeah, i should really finish it |
| 03:54.34 | kergoth | just no motivation to do so |
| 03:54.35 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:54.39 | treke|home | suable. usable. same thing. |
| 03:54.54 | treke|home | you should also email mitchy |
| 03:54.57 | __andras__ | kergoth: different matter: is there a platform-independent way of scheduling wakeup events? opie does it somehow, gpe does it differently, is there any effort/plans for a unified approach? i'm thinking of a daemon that does the scheduling and sets the next wakeup time in the rtc/timer |
| 03:55.16 | treke|home | you mean like atd? |
| 03:55.30 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:55.32 | kergoth | my plan |
| 03:55.33 | __andras__ | treke|home: does atd do the hardware control as well? |
| 03:55.37 | ominae | well all was done and guess what qtopia menu for syncing is still grey out so i am back where i started |
| 03:55.41 | kergoth | is to modify cron and at to support suspend/resume handling. |
| 03:55.54 | kergoth | ominae: no, you arent. |
| 03:56.00 | kergoth | ominae: now you're past one problem and hitting another. |
| 03:56.04 | kergoth | we call that progress. |
| 03:56.04 | ominae | ok |
| 03:56.07 | ominae | good |
| 03:56.10 | Pendalar | kergoth why doesn't OZ come with cron on the image? |
| 03:56.23 | kergoth | cron doesnt support suspend/resume right now |
| 03:56.24 | zakk | kergoth: have you ever heard of usbnet locking the computer it's on (which is trying to connect to the zaurus)? |
| 03:56.30 | __andras__ | kergoth: good plan, how far into that are you? the problem is hardware support -- either we need a uniform hardware interface or a library |
| 03:56.32 | Pendalar | no but it has other uses =-p |
| 03:56.35 | kergoth | zakk: yes, hit up the linux-usb-devel mailing list archives |
| 03:56.37 | ominae | kergoth now what? |
| 03:56.37 | zakk | k |
| 03:56.44 | kergoth | __andras__: /dev/rtc is relatively standard.. |
| 03:56.47 | treke|home | usbnet is the devil :p |
| 03:56.53 | kergoth | ominae: on the desktop, try ftping to port 4242 on the zaurus |
| 03:56.58 | kergoth | treke|home: usbdnet is the devil |
| 03:57.01 | kergoth | treke|home: usbnet is just a demon |
| 03:57.05 | treke|home | hehe |
| 03:57.09 | __andras__ | kergoth: on linux yes, but cron is not restricted to linux |
| 03:57.29 | kergoth | __andras__: well yeah, we'd be introducing dependency on a hardware component |
| 03:57.35 | kergoth | which is questionable in general |
| 03:57.42 | kergoth | a device neednt even *have* an rtc |
| 03:57.47 | kergoth | much less an interface to it |
| 03:57.53 | kergoth | so it has to be optional |
| 03:58.19 | treke|home | kergoth: Your using usb-eth in .21, right? |
| 03:58.35 | kergoth | treke|home: for now, yeah. never got around to fuckign with usbd |
| 03:58.42 | __andras__ | kergoth: has anyone started work on this? i might do after christmas if noone has so far |
| 03:58.43 | kergoth | and usb gadget still has no strongarm support, only pxa |
| 03:58.47 | kergoth | __andras__: not afaik. |
| 03:58.55 | kergoth | __andras__: i've heard a few people mention it, but no one has done anything about it |
| 03:59.03 | ominae | no connection |
| 03:59.05 | kergoth | i'd welcome someone else taking it on |
| 03:59.09 | treke|home | problem with usb-eth is there arent any working windows driver :p |
| 03:59.13 | kergoth | treke|home: yep |
| 03:59.15 | kergoth | ominae: "no connection" |
| 03:59.17 | kergoth | ominae: details. |
| 03:59.21 | kergoth | ominae: *exact* error message |
| 03:59.24 | kergoth | dont summarize. |
| 03:59.28 | treke|home | the fuckers at bahia make their drivers expire, and forget to update them. |
| 03:59.31 | treke|home | plus no pxa support |
| 03:59.34 | ominae | i doesn't connect to the Z via ftp |
| 03:59.42 | ominae | on that port or any port |
| 03:59.47 | kergoth | are you not listening |
| 03:59.51 | kergoth | what ERROR MESSAGE |
| 03:59.52 | kergoth | exactly |
| 03:59.55 | kergoth | dont say you dont connect |
| 03:59.58 | kergoth | dont say it doesnt work |
| 04:00.01 | kergoth | EXACT messages |
| 04:00.05 | kergoth | copy and fucking paste if you have to |
| 04:00.21 | Reddog | something like.. connection timed out, host unreachable.. like that |
| 04:00.38 | Reddog | perhaps a BSOD |
| 04:00.44 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:00.55 | ominae | you say connect to Z via ftp, it won't connect connection timed out if there was amore specific error message i would say it, stop being so condesending |
| 04:01.13 | kergoth | connection timed out is the message. |
| 04:01.16 | kergoth | you didnt say that before, did you? |
| 04:01.18 | ominae | it doen't connect |
| 04:01.18 | kergoth | no, you didnt. |
| 04:01.23 | kergoth | doesnt connect is useless. |
| 04:01.29 | kergoth | connection timed out is informative |
| 04:01.37 | Reddog | ominae: there is a big difference between it being a connection timed out error, and a host unreachable error |
| 04:01.37 | ominae | well that's it |
| 04:01.38 | __andras__ | ominae: try pinging it first of all -- ping 192.168.129.201 from the desktop machine, what does it do? |
| 04:02.10 | __andras__ | ominae: and "it don't connect" doesn't help really, it gives us NO IDEA what's going on |
| 04:03.37 | ominae | pinged it still no response waiting for it to time out |
| 04:03.59 | kergoth | run ifconfig usbd0 on the zaurus |
| 04:04.02 | __andras__ | ping won't time out |
| 04:05.18 | ominae | how am i supposed to do that if it is in the craddle |
| 04:05.33 | kergoth | uhm? with the onscreen keyboard? |
| 04:05.38 | treke|home | ominae: stylus and onscreen keyboard |
| 04:05.39 | kergoth | handwriting? |
| 04:05.41 | kergoth | take your pick |
| 04:05.49 | ominae | k |
| 04:06.15 | Reddog | buy a sharp I/O to usb connector :P |
| 04:07.25 | zakk | kergoth: is this what you were referring to: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=2350287? |
| 04:07.32 | ominae | error fetching interface in formation:device not found |
| 04:08.00 | kergoth | zakk: thats talking about usbdnet |
| 04:08.04 | kergoth | zakk: usbdnet != usbnet |
| 04:08.08 | zakk | oh, right |
| 04:08.10 | kergoth | zakk: linux usb devel is a seperate mailing list |
| 04:08.14 | zakk | oh |
| 04:08.15 | kergoth | go to marc.theaimgroup.com |
| 04:08.17 | zakk | ah |
| 04:08.18 | kergoth | click on linux usb devel |
| 04:08.19 | treke|home | kergoth: Woah. You have 240x320 boot images on collie? |
| 04:08.19 | kergoth | search for zaurus |
| 04:08.21 | treke|home | kergoth: slick |
| 04:08.25 | ominae | ifconfig -a doesn't show usb0 anmore either |
| 04:08.43 | kergoth | ominae: unplug it from the cradle and reinsert and see if the devices come back |
| 04:08.56 | ominae | tried it they dont |
| 04:08.58 | kergoth | treke|home: yep, one of lineo's contributions. kinda cool |
| 04:09.07 | kergoth | treke|home: i'd rather it was in userspace myself, but .. :) |
| 04:10.07 | zakk | can't get to marc. theaimgroup.com itself works fine |
| 04:10.14 | kergoth | aimsgroup |
| 04:10.17 | kergoth | not aimgroup |
| 04:10.18 | zakk | ahh |
| 04:10.22 | kergoth | typo |
| 04:10.33 | treke|home | kergoth: Anything special settings needed when creating a .ppm for that bootsplash image? |
| 04:10.45 | treke|home | or would imagemagick be able to do it without a hitch? |
| 04:10.58 | kergoth | treke|home: um, i cant remember. ask hardwire or scanline |
| 04:11.02 | treke|home | k |
| 04:11.06 | hardwire | hi? |
| 04:11.06 | treke|home | hardwire: ping biznitch. |
| 04:11.23 | kergoth | zakk: MARC is a kickass site, i want to get them to index our lists |
| 04:11.26 | kergoth | zakk: :) |
| 04:11.51 | hardwire | treke|home: convert blah.ppm blah.c |
| 04:11.55 | hardwire | iimage magick |
| 04:12.07 | treke|home | Ok, so imagemagick can do it. |
| 04:12.11 | hardwire | also look at the debian package for mkbootimage |
| 04:12.13 | hardwire | something like that |
| 04:12.14 | treke|home | I don't know the details of .ppms :p |
| 04:12.19 | kergoth | scanline hooked bits for making replacing it easier into the kernel-collie Makefile iirc |
| 04:12.56 | treke|home | hmmm. So it may not be as easy as just pasting a replacement image over the .ppm in packages/kernel :p |
| 04:12.59 | hardwire | ok |
| 04:13.01 | hardwire | gonna go snuggle |
| 04:13.02 | treke|home | figured buildroot was doing the fancy work |
| 04:13.04 | hardwire | wish me luck! |
| 04:13.19 | zakk | I saw a file called rotate90.png in /opt/Something/pics/ |
| 04:13.22 | zakk | and I assumed that was it |
| 04:13.42 | kergoth | thats the icon for the rotation direction in Appearance |
| 04:13.43 | kergoth | iirc |
| 04:13.46 | zakk | ahh |
| 04:14.09 | zakk | I can't look at it on a real machine atm until I get my box to stop hanging when I try to ssh into the z |
| 04:15.22 | zakk | I'll take a closer look at the solutions on this list after I return from mcmurder |
| 04:17.54 | chouimat | night |
| 04:20.15 | treke|home | orinoco-0.13 and 2.4.6 do not get along, correct? |
| 04:22.34 | __andras__ | Twiun: i'm just putting the first version of my debian-on-zaurus site up if you're interested |
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| 04:25.16 | _andy_ | Hey guys. Could someone help me on how I would reflash my zaurus with the sharp ROM if I've got the OZ ROM on my Zaurus? |
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| 04:36.57 | Pendalar | offtopic (if there ever really is one) anyone know a linux application to send SMS messages without need of gui? |
| 04:37.07 | Pendalar | daemon or as needed, whichever |
| 04:37.42 | __andras__ | ibot: botmail for Twiun: my rudimentary Debian-on-C7x0 page is up -- check <A HREF="http://zdebian.dyndns.org/">http://zdebian.dyndns.org/</A> if you're interested |
| 04:38.11 | __andras__ | Pendalar: smssend, even has a debian package |
| 04:38.24 | treke|home | http://www.smsclient.org/ |
| 04:38.43 | Pendalar | thanks |
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| 04:57.54 | nerdboy | damn, kergoth, i'm sorry |
| 04:58.20 | nerdboy | i forgot to give you back your special clue-bat... |
| 04:58.21 | kergoth | ? |
| 04:58.21 | kergoth | ah |
| 04:58.21 | kergoth | hehe |
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| 05:13.33 | ominae | anyone around? |
| 05:14.15 | treke|home | no |
| 05:15.29 | ominae | andras ever since i configured usb0 when i load usbnet it kills my connection to the net |
| 05:19.52 | zakk | treke|home: if nothing else, we must get atlantik on the zaurus |
| 05:20.01 | zakk | or find somebody who is a better programmer to do it |
| 05:20.13 | treke|home | zakk: I'm reading the network protocol docs right now :p |
| 05:20.16 | zakk | :> |
| 05:20.38 | zakk | I bet if you throw something half decent out there that looks /nice/ people will send diffs |
| 05:21.06 | treke|home | it's kind of weird |
| 05:21.15 | treke|home | messages from the server to the client are in xml |
| 05:21.28 | treke|home | messages from the client two the server are just plain .commands |
| 05:21.29 | zakk | help me convince dan to get a zaurus instead of the ipaq |
| 05:21.35 | zakk | since he would work on it |
| 05:21.55 | treke|home | linux runs on the ipaq :) |
| 05:21.58 | zakk | well yeah |
| 05:22.07 | zakk | the zaurus starts out as linux though |
| 05:22.17 | zakk | he might stick with pocketpc 2003 regardless of it's suck factor |
| 05:22.30 | __andras__ | zakk: the zaurus has a keyboard |
| 05:22.37 | zakk | right |
| 05:22.47 | __andras__ | zakk: then just flash it before you give it to him... |
| 05:22.52 | zakk | hah |
| 05:22.58 | zakk | we don't know dan in person |
| 05:23.01 | zakk | ell |
| 05:23.02 | zakk | well |
| 05:23.04 | zakk | I've met him |
| 05:23.07 | zakk | he's just in the middle of nowhere |
| 05:23.09 | __andras__ | zakk: or play around with pocketpc and crash it hard, then say the only remedy is to install linux... |
| 05:23.10 | zakk | otherwise I would show him |
| 05:23.14 | zakk | hehe |
| 05:23.23 | zakk | "install lunix porblem solved" |
| 05:24.04 | treke|home | zakk: the biggest problem seems like the ui |
| 05:24.37 | ominae | andras ever since i configured usb0 when i load usbnet it kills my connection to the net |
| 05:25.05 | treke|home | zakk: And for the most part that is mostly an issue of fitting both gameboard and chat window on screen |
| 05:25.20 | treke|home | zakk: lemme do a qt-designer mockup for you |
| 05:25.21 | zakk | ah |
| 05:25.24 | zakk | okay |
| 05:25.39 | treke|home | I have an idea :p |
| 05:25.41 | zakk | I assume we would just focus on the part of the board that is moving |
| 05:25.47 | zakk | or where the player is |
| 05:25.51 | __andras__ | ominae: can't help on this one, sorry, at least not unless you give more specific information |
| 05:25.56 | zakk | and change the view if the opponent is moving |
| 05:26.11 | zakk | and allow scrolling/interrupt |
| 05:26.24 | treke|home | zakk: the board could be pretty small |
| 05:26.35 | zakk | it should be big and friendly |
| 05:26.36 | zakk | imo |
| 05:26.42 | mithro | ominae: sounds like it's changing your default route |
| 05:26.46 | zakk | I guess it has to work in a couple different combinations |
| 05:26.54 | zakk | so it works on the collies and the newer shit |
| 05:28.02 | mithro | treke|home/zakk: what are you planing? |
| 05:28.02 | zakk | monopd client |
| 05:28.03 | mithro | monopd? |
| 05:28.03 | zakk | unixcode.org |
| 05:28.03 | vvff | zakk: cool. |
| 05:28.03 | zakk | it's monopoly |
| 05:28.03 | zakk | it's great |
| 05:28.03 | zakk | little buggy |
| 05:28.03 | zakk | but otherwise it's playable |
| 05:28.03 | vvff | zakk: A litle? ;-) |
| 05:28.03 | treke|home | zakk: big ass board would be nifty, but I'm thinking you want the chat window |
| 05:28.03 | zakk | just need a good client for the z |
| 05:28.03 | ominae | mithro: when configuring usb0 i used these commands andras ever since i configured usb0 when i load usbnet it kills my connection to the net |
| 05:28.11 | ominae | do you now how i could resolve this |
| 05:28.11 | zakk | vvff: occasionally I've seen the syncing go bad between clients |
| 05:28.29 | zakk | treke|home: let me draw something |
| 05:28.29 | ominae | opps |
| 05:28.31 | vvff | zakk: I play it a lot, and that happens quit frequently... |
| 05:28.36 | vvff | *quite |
| 05:28.37 | ominae | ifconfig usb0 192.168.129.1 netmask 255.255.255.255 up |
| 05:28.37 | ominae | route add -host 192.168.129.201 usb0 |
| 05:28.40 | zakk | I play a lot and it doesn't happen that often |
| 05:29.10 | kergoth | ominae: who told you to do that? i couldve sworn we told you to use netconfig. |
| 05:29.13 | vvff | zakk: Hmm, maybe I'm just on a slow connection. |
| 05:29.26 | ominae | i follow instructions from a how too |
| 05:29.51 | ominae | http://www.ruault.com/Zaurus/ethernet-over-usb-howto.html |
| 05:29.53 | __andras__ | ominae: netmask is 255.255.255.255 -- well that's a bit rubbish isn't it |
| 05:30.01 | kergoth | that netmask is just fine. |
| 05:30.05 | __andras__ | ominae: should be 255.255.255.0 or so |
| 05:30.12 | kergoth | he only needs to talk to the Z, not to anyone else on that interface |
| 05:31.23 | __andras__ | kergoth: but he'll configure a manual route then since the z and host aren't in the same subnet |
| 05:31.23 | ominae | how would i prevent it from killing my internet connection? |
| 05:31.23 | ominae | or eth0 |
| 05:31.23 | mithro | well he doesn't want a 255.255.255.255 he want a 255.255.255.252 |
| 05:31.34 | mithro | the default route gets change to go out usb0 interface |
| 05:31.43 | __andras__ | mithro: i prefer 255.255.255.0 actually... |
| 05:31.48 | mithro | hence no internet |
| 05:31.52 | kergoth | who gives a flying fuck what you prefer |
| 05:31.55 | kergoth | either will work fine |
| 05:32.04 | kergoth | as long as the Z and desktop are in the subnet |
| 05:32.07 | mithro | 255.255.255.255 should not work |
| 05:32.15 | kergoth | it will work with the -host route |
| 05:32.19 | kergoth | which is what the howto told him to do |
| 05:33.16 | mithro | bah, that is evil ;) |
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| 05:33.16 | ominae | but it kills off eth0 |
| 05:33.16 | __andras__ | probably because you have specified a gateway when configuring usb0? |
| 05:33.16 | mithro | kills off? |
| 05:33.16 | mithro | you no longer see eth0 in ifconfig? |
| 05:33.31 | kergoth | oh look, fun vague error reports again |
| 05:33.39 | ominae | i see it but i have to restart the network and eth0 to get on the net every time i load usbnet |
| 05:34.02 | mithro | ominae: okay, that means it is killing your default route |
| 05:34.09 | ominae | yes |
| 05:34.17 | __andras__ | ominae: there should be no default route on usb0 |
| 05:34.37 | ominae | mithro: how do i fix this |
| 05:34.49 | mithro | ominae: okay after you start up usb0 |
| 05:35.04 | ominae | ifconfig usb0 192.168.129.1 netmask 255.255.255.255 up? |
| 05:35.04 | mithro | msg me the output of route -n and ifconfig |
| 05:35.36 | mithro | what is the number of your computer? |
| 05:35.45 | ominae | mithro: if i load usbnet to start usb0 i'll lose my net connection |
| 05:36.00 | mithro | ominae: o :) your from your Z |
| 05:36.15 | ominae | ?? |
| 05:36.28 | kergoth | ominae: does /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-usb0 exist? |
| 05:36.36 | ominae | yes sir |
| 05:36.43 | __andras__ | ominae: do it. then let "route -n" run, and configure eth0 again so you can talk to us |
| 05:36.46 | kergoth | well then, thats as expected |
| 05:36.51 | kergoth | run netconfig against usb0 again |
| 05:36.54 | kergoth | dont set gateway this time |
| 05:38.51 | mithro | bah! cups doesn't like this PDF i'm trying to pring |
| 05:38.54 | mithro | s/pring/print |
| 05:39.40 | __andras__ | mithro: i discovered that cups can't do everything right the hard way... |
| 05:40.11 | mithro | these PDF's choke any PS printer i've tried so far |
| 05:40.11 | __andras__ | mithro: printed a .dvi.gz... it ungzips it, but then doesn't have the intelligence to convert the dvi to something useful... |
| 05:40.21 | mithro | so i'm not blaming CUPS |
| 05:41.33 | mithro | __andras__: you get 100 pages of binary? |
| 05:42.05 | mithro | actually i think it's Acrobats PDF to PS conversion process |
| 05:42.32 | kergoth | heh, print it with ghostscript or something then |
| 05:42.43 | mithro | because I just printed it with gv perfectly |
| 05:42.48 | kergoth | ah |
| 05:42.48 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:43.13 | __andras__ | mithro: it emptied the paper tray... |
| 05:43.29 | __andras__ | mithro: one cryptic line on top of each page... luckily didn't use up much toner |
| 05:43.41 | mithro | was it on one of those 100ppm printers with 10,000 pages in the tray? |
| 05:44.11 | __andras__ | mithro: no, just an hp lj2100 with a 500 page tray which was nowhere near full |
| 05:44.27 | __andras__ | i've heard of someone who printed his phd thesis on an a0 inkjet |
| 05:44.30 | mithro | well count yourself lucky then :) |
| 05:44.51 | __andras__ | the day after they restricted access to that printer to a few people only... |
| 05:49.45 | mithro | a eleceng guy in at uni managed to empty the paper try on one of those Photocopier machines which had an "extended paper" paper trays just after they filled it |
| 05:49.46 | mithro | the support staff where so pissed at him |
| 05:49.52 | mithro | only charged him like $100 AUS luckly |
| 05:50.13 | mithro | how does one find out if your PDA is SDIO compatible? |
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| 06:00.37 | mithro | sadly the 1910 doesn't support SDIO :( |
| 06:00.38 | ominae | hello |
| 06:01.02 | ominae | mithro: the losing eth0 has be fix and i can now ping the machine |
| 06:01.17 | mithro | ominae: so you followed kergoths stuff? |
| 06:01.19 | ominae | i still cannot ftp into the Z or sync it with qtopia |
| 06:01.26 | ominae | yes |
| 06:01.44 | mithro | okay |
| 06:01.52 | mithro | what are the settings on the computer? |
| 06:02.06 | ominae | settings? |
| 06:02.31 | mithro | what IP address/netmask/etc have you setup on the computer |
| 06:02.43 | mithro | or have you left it as Automatic? |
| 06:02.49 | ominae | auto |
| 06:02.50 | mithro | your host computer is linux or windows? |
| 06:02.54 | ominae | linux |
| 06:03.03 | mithro | i recommend setting them manually |
| 06:03.10 | mithro | what settings did you use on the zaurus |
| 06:03.11 | mithro | ? |
| 06:03.11 | ominae | router does it |
| 06:03.31 | ominae | 192.168.129.201 |
| 06:03.50 | ominae | usb on pc = 192.168.129.1 |
| 06:03.58 | ominae | 201 = Z |
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| 06:04.09 | mithro | okay what is the netmask on the Z? |
| 06:04.16 | mithro | and on the computer? |
| 06:05.34 | ominae | on Z 255.255.255.0 |
| 06:06.03 | ominae | that is for the Z under usb0 interface setting |
| 06:06.29 | mithro | and the netmask on your computer on usb0? |
| 06:06.30 | __andras__ | ominae: there's no usb0 on the z |
| 06:06.37 | __andras__ | ominae: you mean usbd0 |
| 06:06.48 | ominae | yes typo |
| 06:07.11 | ominae | 255.255.255.0 |
| 06:07.27 | mithro | okay |
| 06:07.47 | mithro | now you can't pint 192.168.129.201 from your computer right? |
| 06:07.51 | mithro | s/pint/ping |
| 06:08.18 | ominae | yes i can ping it |
| 06:08.22 | mithro | okay |
| 06:08.30 | mithro | well that means your Z and computer are connected |
| 06:08.39 | ominae | yeah |
| 06:08.39 | mithro | you now need to change the security settings to allow syncing |
| 06:08.43 | ominae | ok |
| 06:08.50 | mithro | go to Settings -> Security |
| 06:09.03 | mithro | and select it so 192.168.129.0/255.255.255.0 can sync |
| 06:09.06 | ominae | in qtopia or in the redhat mneu |
| 06:09.20 | mithro | on the Z |
| 06:10.49 | ominae | it has a drop down menu i can select 192.168.129.0/24 |
| 06:12.12 | ominae | hey it works |
| 06:12.16 | mithro | yeah |
| 06:12.20 | ominae | YOU GUYS ARE MY HEREOS |
| 06:12.25 | mithro | 255.255.255.0 = /24 |
| 06:12.42 | ominae | THANK YOU |
| 06:12.46 | mithro | he he - well send your hero $25 US and you'll be mine ;) |
| 06:13.16 | mithro | ominae: now go and install multisync :) evolution<->Zaurus syncing |
| 06:13.22 | mithro | + IRDA phones |
| 06:13.27 | ominae | i am a poor college student from chechnya |
| 06:13.27 | mithro | + SyncML |
| 06:13.30 | mithro | + Backup |
| 06:13.36 | ominae | last question |
| 06:14.16 | ominae | i want to load usbnet on boot what script could i put it in |
| 06:14.16 | mithro | ominae: well then to pay your dept, you need to hang around here and help out somebody else :) |
| 06:14.23 | ominae | no problem |
| 06:14.35 | mithro | there should be an option in the network menu to "Activate on Boot" |
| 06:14.44 | ominae | i know alot about programming just not networking and hardware |
| 06:14.48 | mithro | then it'll do it for you :) |
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| 06:17.47 | ominae | i mean to upload my email from my linuxbox |
| 06:17.51 | mithro | nothing i know of "syncs" email |
| 06:17.52 | ominae | to my Z |
| 06:18.03 | ominae | except winblows |
| 06:18.13 | ominae | outlook |
| 06:18.18 | mithro | if any of the above support mbox's you could just use rsync/unision |
| 06:18.26 | mithro | but thats only for an advanced user |
| 06:18.32 | ominae | i see |
| 06:19.31 | ominae | support for this sucks on sharps end, they build a linux pda that don't have a mail app |
| 06:19.46 | mithro | they have a mail app |
| 06:19.50 | mithro | it's called qtmail |
| 06:19.54 | mithro | as i pointed above |
| 06:20.02 | ominae | to sync with the Z from the desktop? |
| 06:20.07 | ominae | like outlook |
| 06:20.13 | mithro | however as there is no standard email client for linux |
| 06:20.21 | treke|home | sure there is. |
| 06:20.22 | treke|home | mutt |
| 06:20.31 | mithro | it's hardely fair to make them try and sync email with linux |
| 06:20.53 | ominae | sure it is they could a ximian plugin for evolution |
| 06:20.54 | mithro | the most common i know of are - pine, mutt, netscape, mozilla, evolution, kmail |
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| 06:21.27 | mithro | ominae: well you could extend multisync to do email |
| 06:21.33 | mithro | good project for a CS student |
| 06:22.14 | ominae | cool |
| 06:22.32 | ominae | ok it is late ineed sleeping |
| 06:22.41 | ominae | that you ALL AGAIN |
| 06:22.44 | vvff | mithro: email for what client? ;-) |
| 06:22.53 | ominae | see you soon |
| 06:22.58 | ominae | Thanks! |
| 06:23.03 | mithro | well mutisync supports evolution so it makes sense to use that :) |
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| 06:23.23 | mithro | but i suppose you could point it to raw mbox's or maildirs |
| 06:23.26 | vvff | mithro: I meant zaurus-side. |
| 06:23.33 | treke|home | vvff: The built in email client |
| 06:23.37 | mithro | vvff: dunno :) |
| 06:24.05 | vvff | treke|home: for Opie? It's imap only. |
| 06:24.26 | treke|home | vvff: No. Opie has two mail clients. |
| 06:24.27 | vvff | treke|home: or was last time I tried to sync my mail. |
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| 06:24.41 | mithro | vvff: it's unix, run an imapd locally ;) |
| 06:25.15 | vvff | treke|home: You mean MailIt? |
| 06:25.31 | vvff | mithro: Surrre... |
| 06:25.56 | treke|home | vvff: Yes. If there are only two clients and it isnt opie-mail2, it's pretty obviously the other |
| 06:26.00 | treke|home | :) |
| 06:26.21 | vvff | ok, ok. |
| 06:27.55 | vvff | Bleh. |
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| 06:39.41 | torriem | ~slashdot |
| 06:40.13 | torriem | ~vim |
| 06:40.16 | | methinks vim is an enhanced version of vi that has great features without crowding the interface or adding stuff text editors don't need, or the official editor of #utah :) |
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| 07:10.00 | mithro | he he - batteries do suck big time |
| 07:21.12 | zakk | is anyone looking to sell a collie? |
| 07:21.26 | zakk | a friend of mine who I think would make a good developer is looking to possibly get one |
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| 07:39.17 | __andras__ | zakk: where about are you? i have a collie (5500, right?) i'd like to get rid of |
| 07:39.35 | zakk | my friend is in the midwest |
| 07:39.39 | zakk | I'm in seattle |
| 07:39.43 | zakk | yeah 5500 |
| 07:41.00 | zakk | ahh |
| 07:41.14 | zakk | he ordered the 200 one that was used off amazon |
| 07:41.20 | zakk | mwahaha |
| 07:41.24 | zakk | another developer |
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| 07:44.18 | zakk | that would be him |
| 07:44.43 | theoddone33 | is there anyone that can give me a 40 second rundown on how a zaurus works |
| 07:44.45 | theoddone33 | since I just bought one |
| 07:45.53 | theoddone33 | I got a 5500 for $200, how badly did I get ripped off? |
| 07:54.34 | __andras__ | zakk: i'm in europe, so shipping would cost a bit. how much would your friend be prepared to pay? it's used, does have some marks, but is in perfect working condition |
| 07:54.49 | zakk | my friend == theoddone33 |
| 07:54.58 | __andras__ | zakk: ah, ok.... :) |
| 07:55.06 | __andras__ | zakk: i'll put it on ebay then... |
| 07:55.12 | zakk | yes |
| 07:55.17 | zakk | you'll probably get good money for it |
| 07:55.28 | zakk | it is such a great device |
| 08:02.54 | theoddone33 | about how long does the average battery last |
| 08:03.32 | lpotter | I have had my battery for two years, still works great |
| 08:06.03 | theoddone33 | well I mean, how long can you go at a time without charging |
| 08:08.44 | lpotter | ahhh. :) |
| 08:09.04 | lpotter | depends on what you are doing. compared to ipaqs, the battery doesnt last too long |
| 08:10.37 | theoddone33 | ah |
| 08:10.42 | theoddone33 | I'll play around with it a little I guess |
| 08:10.46 | theoddone33 | once it gets here |
| 08:11.04 | theoddone33 | for $200, I hope I play around with it a *lot* |
| 08:11.31 | lpotter | weeeeee.. qtopia on /. |
| 08:13.22 | heatxsink | theoddone33: if you turn off the backlight |
| 08:13.25 | heatxsink | it can last for a while |
| 08:13.32 | heatxsink | just don't run any 802.11b CF cards |
| 08:13.35 | theoddone33 | I see |
| 08:13.44 | theoddone33 | those eat it up? |
| 08:13.50 | heatxsink | well depending on the card |
| 08:13.51 | heatxsink | but ya |
| 08:13.56 | theoddone33 | the wireless in general or something in the card |
| 08:14.05 | heatxsink | it will eat up a considerable amount of power |
| 08:14.17 | heatxsink | some cards have a good low power sleep mode |
| 08:14.22 | theoddone33 | can the same be said of say a 256M cf card? |
| 08:14.25 | heatxsink | most cheapo cards... |
| 08:14.31 | heatxsink | I wouldn't think so.. |
| 08:14.36 | heatxsink | but I haven't researched that |
| 08:14.38 | theoddone33 | alright |
| 08:14.48 | heatxsink | I did some wardriving with my 5500 |
| 08:15.00 | heatxsink | lasted no more than 45 minutes |
| 08:15.23 | theoddone33 | ouch |
| 08:15.39 | heatxsink | but I also have a cheapo Linksys Card |
| 08:15.45 | heatxsink | that has no power saving options |
| 08:15.57 | theoddone33 | I want to use it for downloading large files! :) |
| 08:16.05 | theoddone33 | from the wireless access points at mcdonald's heh |
| 08:16.12 | heatxsink | here like a Socket card has one of the best power saving options |
| 08:16.20 | heatxsink | haha |
| 08:16.20 | heatxsink | oh man |
| 08:18.26 | mithro | my c700 lasts about 3 hours with Wireless |
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| 08:18.57 | mithro | and about 4-5 hours without it |
| 08:19.10 | mithro | better make that 2-3 hours with Wireless |
| 08:20.12 | theoddone33 | you guys would obviously say I made the better choice going with the zaurus over the similarly priced ipaq right? |
| 08:20.26 | lpotter | ya |
| 08:20.41 | theoddone33 | I figured the zaurus will have more software, and less expensive |
| 08:20.52 | theoddone33 | more customizable, etc |
| 08:21.21 | lpotter | and has a keybaodr |
| 08:21.25 | lpotter | board |
| 08:21.27 | theoddone33 | oh, yeah |
| 09:33.38 | Twiun | g'morning |
| 09:34.29 | lpotter | not morning, dang it. |
| 09:34.59 | Twiun | hehe |
| 09:36.25 | lpotter | my day is just about done |
| 09:36.42 | lpotter | lucky for you qtopia article on /. |
| 09:38.22 | Twiun | lucky? is it generating even more discussion? |
| 09:39.29 | Twiun | hell, LGPL would actually be better than GPL ;) |
| 09:40.03 | lpotter | ? |
| 09:40.45 | Twiun | lgpl for qtawt is what I was thinking... but back to my question - why is the /. article lucky for me? |
| 09:42.04 | lpotter | cause you can wake up and anti troll |
| 09:46.55 | Twiun | nah... can't possibly do that *and* be a company director ;) |
| 09:52.19 | Twiun | no point trolling trolltech anyway, it's not as if they're a US company |
| 09:56.58 | lpotter | there is a US office |
| 10:01.13 | Twiun | not the HQ though - they don't dictate corporate ethics I hope |
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| 10:15.05 | lpotter | sales office |
| 10:19.03 | Twiun | ah, yes. worst type of american, along with marketing |
| 10:19.10 | Twiun | s/american/human/ |
| 10:41.32 | Twiun | Ack. my qtopia hack for qtawt doesn't work on the c7x0 when the app switches off the zooming |
| 10:41.43 | Twiun | gonna need to get my hands on a device to debug that |
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| 10:58.47 | mithro | Twiun: if you move to Welland Adelaide Australia, I'll let you play with mine for a bit ;) |
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| 11:05.50 | Twiun | mithro: hmmm.... you want me to *move* and you'll only lend it to me? |
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| 11:09.27 | mithro | well :) |
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| 12:00.27 | mithro | my new e740 seems very washed out |
| 12:01.33 | mithro | well my GF picked the ipaq 1910 |
| 12:01.40 | mithro | which means i'm stuck with the e740 |
| 12:03.18 | mithro | which isn't exactly a bad thing |
| 12:03.29 | mithro | i'll just have to help along the people doing the linux to the e740 port |
| 12:07.24 | Twiun | don't spread yourself too thinly :) |
| 12:08.15 | mithro | i meant more of asking them nicley to hurry up :) |
| 12:08.23 | mithro | s/more/more along the lines of |
| 12:08.53 | Twiun | oh, right :) |
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| 12:14.39 | __andras__ | Twiun: i've created a debian-on-z website, if you're interested |
| 12:18.08 | Twiun | __andras__: yeah, that'd be interesting |
| 12:20.55 | mithro | this is weird |
| 12:21.08 | mithro | the Toshiba site says that the e740 doesn't support bluetooth |
| 12:21.40 | mithro | then on the help section "How to use a Bluetooth SD I/O Card to Sync, Products: e740" |
| 12:22.27 | mithro | well i'll have to walk into a shop and try one out |
| 12:22.33 | __andras__ | Twiun: http://zdebian.dyndns.org/ |
| 12:22.59 | mithro | iPaq 1910 is pretty cool |
| 12:23.11 | mithro | last exam tommorrow! |
| 12:23.11 | mithro | yay! |
| 12:23.52 | Twiun | __andras__: thanks |
| 12:24.16 | Twiun | mithro: how do you think you did? |
| 12:24.34 | mithro | so far - i wasn't all that happy with my first 2 exams |
| 12:24.48 | mithro | but the one today I was happy i did good in |
| 12:27.44 | mithro | anyway i need to goto bed |
| 12:27.45 | mithro | gnight all |
| 12:29.11 | Twiun | g'night mithro |
| 12:30.52 | Twiun | __andras__: the apm issue is a definite downer, but otherwise this is a great resource |
| 12:39.55 | mithro | From the down e740 Linux site -> 19/10/2003X working! gpe2 screenshot |
| 12:49.11 | mithro | the e740 has the same video chipset as the c7x0 |
| 12:49.21 | mithro | anyway i'm in bed noe so i'm off to sleep |
| 12:49.22 | mithro | gnight |
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| 13:18.31 | initq6 | anyone awake yet? I hosed my OZ trying to upgrade Opie. I just get a command prompt. Can someone help? |
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| 13:55.43 | cyn | __andras__: you use zdebian ? |
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| 14:11.19 | tuxoverflow | good day |
| 14:11.58 | tuxoverflow | can anyone tell me if qtopia will sync when i change from the default sharp rom |
| 14:13.36 | tuxoverflow | or is it possible to sync over the network |
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| 14:24.57 | tuxoverflow | hello |
| 14:25.42 | tuxoverflow | can anyone tell me how to add a new user from a prompt on the zaurus adduser command doesnt work as normal |
| 14:26.33 | Twiun | as far as I know, non-root usage isn't yet functional |
| 14:26.48 | Twiun | holdover from Sharp's deisng decisions |
| 14:26.55 | Twiun | s/deisng/design/ |
| 14:27.00 | tuxoverflow | wow thats not good |
| 14:27.35 | tuxoverflow | im just testing the kompany rom and it wont sync will open zaurus rom sync okay |
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| 14:28.07 | Twiun | it should sync ok provided you have the appropriate qtdesktop and the network connection works |
| 14:28.20 | Twiun | oh, and you've allowed the synching in the security applet |
| 14:28.33 | tuxoverflow | cool |
| 14:28.45 | tuxoverflow | can you sync over network |
| 14:28.57 | chouimat | morning |
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| 14:29.10 | tuxoverflow | afternoon!! |
| 14:30.04 | tuxoverflow | have u tried to install opera 6 ipk on openzaurus and does it work |
| 14:31.25 | Twiun | tuxoverflow: sure, the security app allows you to restrict which network you consider it safe to allow synching over ;) |
| 14:31.47 | tuxoverflow | ah thats great |
| 14:31.57 | Twiun | tuxoverflow: never tried the opera ipk - my device is a bit too old for serious web browsing :) |
| 14:32.30 | tuxoverflow | what version of qt desktop 1.7 |
| 14:32.42 | tuxoverflow | will that connect okay |
| 14:33.04 | Twiun | I don't think 1.7 will work with a standard OZ 3.2 installation |
| 14:33.11 | Twiun | but I can't remember |
| 14:33.26 | tuxoverflow | which version shall i use |
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| 15:41.24 | Subway | me gots a question |
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| 15:42.08 | Subway | When doing a buildroot i get mkipkg: ERROR: missing files, not building /home/jrbald01/buildroot-oz/packages/vera-fonts-qpf/qpf-bitstream-vera-full.control |
| 15:42.24 | Subway | where can i locate the missing files? |
| 15:46.47 | Twiun | did you select the vera qpf for building in the menuconfig? |
| 15:49.36 | Subway | if i turn that off it turns off opie |
| 15:49.48 | Subway | yeah it is selected |
| 15:51.38 | Twiun | ok, try making that package clean: make SUBDIRS=packages/vera-fonts-qpf clean |
| 15:54.23 | Subway | mkay |
| 15:54.31 | Subway | then just do a make? |
| 15:55.51 | Twiun | make SUBDIRS=packages/vera-fonts-qpf |
| 15:56.07 | Twiun | faster than having to go through everything ;) |
| 15:56.29 | Subway | same error |
| 15:57.19 | Twiun | ok, let's make it mrproper, so: |
| 15:57.25 | Twiun | make SUBDIRS=packages/vera-fonts-qpf mrproper |
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| 16:00.29 | Subway | mkay |
| 16:01.03 | Subway | here we go |
| 16:01.04 | Subway | thanks |
| 16:01.24 | Twiun | it's working? |
| 16:01.33 | Subway | yeah |
| 16:01.35 | Subway | seems to be |
| 16:03.07 | Subway | i did a make after the make mrproper |
| 16:03.25 | Subway | erm nevermind |
| 16:03.37 | Subway | it downloaded a file, but errored out |
| 16:03.42 | Subway | same error |
| 16:03.50 | Twiun | hrmph |
| 16:05.15 | Twiun | trying tho think where that control file would come from |
| 16:05.30 | Twiun | lemme have a look in my buildroot |
| 16:08.34 | __andras__ | cyn_: i made it, so i use it... :) |
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| 16:11.47 | Twiun | Subway: I've got that file in mine - when did you last do a bk pull? |
| 16:13.14 | Subway | yesterday |
| 16:18.24 | Twiun | hmmm, ok, let me do a pull and see if it disappears |
| 16:18.41 | Subway | mkay |
| 16:20.44 | Twiun | ok, there were changes to them since my last pull |
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| 16:21.20 | Twiun | gotta wait for the resolve to finish |
| 16:24.37 | Subway | mkay |
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| 16:28.31 | Twiun | mkay? |
| 16:28.53 | Twiun | nope, the file's still there |
| 16:29.14 | Twiun | ls -l packages/vera-fonts-qpf/ |wc |
| 16:29.23 | Twiun | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:32.12 | Subway | hmmm mine is 736 |
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| 17:26.30 | Theefer | Hello. Does anybody know where I can find a binary fsck.jffs2 for arm ? I need it to recover my partition, but cannot find it ... |
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| 18:12.20 | zakk | woohoo! |
| 18:12.24 | zakk | treke|home: just got your package :> |
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| 18:47.16 | *** topic/#openzaurus is OpenZaurus user discussion channel | developer discussion in #openembedded | http://openzaurus.org/ | Please, read the FAQs and search the mailing list archives before bothering the developers. |
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| 19:23.22 | zakk | arrrg |
| 19:23.30 | zakk | my one stylus fell on the floor and the tip fell off |
| 19:23.39 | zakk | ..and I have a black carpet |
| 19:24.22 | kergoth | heh, the tip on those metal styluses breaks off so easily |
| 19:25.04 | zakk | arg |
| 19:25.07 | zakk | it actually did break off :( |
| 19:25.14 | zakk | are there better ones that will fit? |
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| 19:39.19 | lpotter | broke on carpet. thats pathetic |
| 19:39.25 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:39.44 | lpotter | 'I dropped my stylus on my bed, and it broke; |
| 19:42.30 | zakk | I don't get how it did it either |
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| 20:35.56 | Zaurino | who got a 5600 here ? |
| 20:40.44 | Twiun | not I |
| 20:41.17 | lpotter | me either |
| 20:44.00 | Zaurino | what is embedix ? |
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| 20:46.56 | Twiun | well, it's _not_ like The Matrix |
| 20:47.54 | pb_ | it isn't? |
| 20:47.56 | pb_ | darn |
| 20:49.35 | Twiun | feels like it though |
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| 21:03.13 | _ibz | what's the best way to install opie 1+ on Oz 3.2? i'm pretty certain i've installed task-opie-complete 1.02 but everything seems the same.. |
| 21:03.28 | _ibz | hmmn, i should probably ask in #opie. |
| 21:03.38 | kergoth | um you arent installing, you're upgrading. use ipkg upgrade |
| 21:03.46 | Twiun | hey _ibz |
| 21:03.52 | _ibz | hey Twiun |
| 21:03.54 | _ibz | hey kergoth |
| 21:04.22 | _ibz | well, i didn't have task-opie-complete, so i figured i was *installing*. |
| 21:04.29 | kergoth | you are |
| 21:04.34 | kergoth | you installed a virtual package. |
| 21:04.46 | kergoth | but you already had most of what it depended on. |
| 21:04.53 | kergoth | install doesnt imply upgrade, only install |
| 21:06.18 | _ibz | ok, so is there an easy way to find the version of opie being used? system info refers to the version used during flash no? |
| 21:06.34 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:06.38 | kergoth | um, go into the package manager |
| 21:06.44 | kergoth | look at what versions of the opie packages are installed. |
| 21:06.48 | kergoth | opie isnt one package, its a fuckload. |
| 21:06.53 | kergoth | each of which is versioned |
| 21:07.07 | _ibz | system-info -> version. refers to the one from the flash, which is misleading. |
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| 21:07.30 | kergoth | are you not listening? |
| 21:07.36 | kergoth | sysinfo doesnt know the version of every single opie package |
| 21:07.43 | kergoth | thats not possible |
| 21:07.46 | _ibz | i understand that. |
| 21:07.55 | _ibz | but. |
| 21:07.58 | kergoth | frankly, sysinfo probably shouldnt show a version at all |
| 21:08.04 | _ibz | the point remains, there's a version on systeminfo. |
| 21:08.08 | _ibz | ok |
| 21:08.09 | kergoth | since it cant possibly ensure that every opie package matches |
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| 22:58.16 | Zaurino | wich are the 3 devices of zaurus 5600 ? mtdblock2 mtdblock3 and ? |
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| 23:53.03 | __andras__ | Zaurino: /dev/ram |
| 23:53.20 | __andras__ | unlikely on the 5600 though |