| 00:02.48 | W8TVI | I like the new reconfguring packges screeen |
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| 00:19.31 | agg | ljp: there? |
| 00:19.47 | ljp | yep |
| 00:20.03 | agg | ljp: i flashed my z with the image and initrd from your site |
| 00:20.10 | agg | everything works ok |
| 00:20.17 | ljp | and it broke |
| 00:20.27 | ljp | and you have to send it to sharp to unbrick it |
| 00:20.34 | ljp | and are suing me |
| 00:20.51 | ljp | :) |
| 00:21.00 | chouimat | ljp: you have a site? |
| 00:21.16 | agg | yep, you named it! my z is toast. |
| 00:21.21 | agg | not |
| 00:21.33 | agg | ;-) |
| 00:21.47 | agg | seriously, it's just that AQPkg never finishes dling the Packages file |
| 00:21.51 | ljp | chouimat: I have opie 1.02 feed and initrds |
| 00:21.59 | chouimat | ok |
| 00:22.00 | ljp | ahhh. hmmm |
| 00:22.18 | ljp | might have to regenerate that packages. I thought it worked here |
| 00:22.47 | ljp | chouimat: I have a few personal websites |
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| 00:23.21 | agg | ljp: i see that it goes to my ippp0 via usbnet and it seems to download it all right |
| 00:23.31 | chouimat | hmmm this embedded dns thingy now seems stable enough for production use |
| 00:23.31 | agg | ljp: but then it hangs |
| 00:24.30 | ljp | hmm, maybe a apckage is missing |
| 00:24.38 | ljp | I'll look into it sometime today |
| 00:24.56 | agg | ljp: i enabled diagnostic messages, but it never prints any ... and doesn't time out either. |
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| 00:25.42 | agg | ljp: if there's anything else i can tray, just let me know.... |
| 00:25.50 | agg | s/tray/try/ |
| 00:26.37 | agg | ljp: the rom appears to work great, though :) |
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| 00:50.25 | theoddone33 | can anyone point me to a faq or tutorial? I've got my usb cradle hooked up through usbnet and I want to install some ipk files onto my Z |
| 00:52.54 | Pendalar | someone updating the OZ feed? |
| 00:53.31 | agg | theoddone33: is your network up and running? nameserver configured? your gateway does ip forwarding? |
| 00:54.58 | theoddone33 | gave it an IP but didn't hook it up to the routing |
| 00:56.06 | agg | ljp: hmm, trying to install the hancom stuff gives me an "Package hancommobileword has no Architecture defined." Did the package format change? |
| 00:56.52 | agg | theoddone33: well, if you have routing, nameservers etc. set up, you can dl and install stuff right from your Z. |
| 00:57.15 | theoddone33 | stuff on my hard drive though... is there an easy way to get that to the Z? |
| 00:57.55 | agg | what is your desktop system? |
| 00:58.14 | theoddone33 | desktop system? linux |
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| 00:58.46 | agg | ok. do you have qtopia desktop installed? |
| 00:58.58 | theoddone33 | oh, on the Z... still using sharp rom |
| 00:59.21 | agg | hmm, wrong channel. :) |
| 00:59.26 | theoddone33 | ah |
| 00:59.55 | agg | there's a #zaurus channel on the same server, iirc |
| 01:00.02 | agg | but anyway ... |
| 01:00.22 | agg | can you ftp to your z? telnet? ssh? |
| 01:00.48 | theoddone33 | ssh connects, but I don't know a valid user/pass |
| 01:01.41 | agg | hmm ... i never tried ssh on the original sharp rom, can't help you there... |
| 01:02.08 | agg | did you try ftp? |
| 01:02.32 | theoddone33 | not yet |
| 01:02.46 | agg | something like ftp 192.168.129.201 with username root should do the trick, can you try that? |
| 01:03.03 | theoddone33 | tried telnet but that didn't work |
| 01:03.20 | theoddone33 | have to install a client, heh |
| 01:03.32 | agg | no, telnet is disabled in the sharp rom by default, but you can turn it on... |
| 01:04.08 | agg | iirc, you just uncomment the line with telnet in inetd.conf, and reboot (or restart inetd) |
| 01:05.08 | agg | other possibility: run qtopia desktop (you'll need a rom <3.x for that under Linux) |
| 01:06.01 | agg | for windoze, there's a version of qtopia desktop which works with the v3 rom, too |
| 01:07.15 | agg | in qtopia desktop you can just upload the file to the Z, then it will appear on your document tab |
| 01:09.28 | agg | theoddone33: see http://www.trolltech.com/download/qtopia/ :) |
| 01:09.30 | theoddone33 | I don't know how to get to inetd.conf and real files on this (yet) |
| 01:10.11 | agg | install the terminal app from the cd. the file is under /etc. vi is your friend. ;-) |
| 01:10.38 | theoddone33 | there is linux stuff on the CD? or do you mean in windows |
| 01:11.37 | agg | nope, there are several ipk files (under Applications on my cd), one is a terminal program |
| 01:11.51 | agg | but of course you'll first have to transfer these :( |
| 01:11.56 | theoddone33 | but that's the problem... how do Ig et those on... right |
| 01:12.03 | agg | so you need Qtopia desktop anyway |
| 01:12.20 | agg | a windoze version is on the cd |
| 01:13.38 | agg | you just install that, let it connect to the z, select the document tab in qtopia desktop, and then push the upload button and select the files |
| 01:13.51 | theoddone33 | I see |
| 01:13.54 | agg | that's all described in the manual :-/ |
| 01:14.38 | theoddone33 | I'll get this qtopia desktop installed on linux hopefully and that should fix the problem |
| 01:15.17 | agg | yep |
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| 01:40.22 | agg | ljp: fyi: i fixed the probs with the hancom packages, the control file of hancomword and the presenter have an extra empty line, the latest ipkg apparently chokes on this... |
| 01:43.35 | ljp | hmm |
| 01:52.51 | agg | ljp: and while I'm at it: ipkg also spits out a new, weird error message: file_move: ERROR: failed to rename /usr/lib/ipkg/status.tmp to /usr/lib/ipkg/status: No such file or directory |
| 01:53.08 | agg | after each install or remove. Is that normal? |
| 01:53.50 | agg | on the positive side, this rom rocks! everything is snappier and just plain faster. especially software installs |
| 01:53.59 | agg | :) |
| 02:01.09 | W8TVI | ljp: I get the same thing |
| 02:04.36 | Pendalar | oh hell while we're at it, same here |
| 02:04.45 | Pendalar | although I don't really care about status or it's tmp |
| 02:05.25 | Pendalar | what I do care about is lirc not liking me =-x but that's for another day |
| 02:06.33 | W8TVI | Pendalar: it doesn't like me ether |
| 02:07.27 | Pendalar | lircd starts up not griping, but irrecord fails and without qmode2 I can't add in my codes |
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| 02:12.04 | Pendalar | oh no |
| 02:12.05 | Pendalar | =-x |
| 02:20.13 | agg | ljp: yet another one: AQPkg gives a segfault when clicking a package file (sometimes SEGFAULT, sometimes SIGBUS) |
| 02:20.45 | Pendalar | the file as in via the file browser / launcher documents |
| 02:20.50 | Pendalar | or inside the aqpkg browser |
| 02:22.26 | agg | only on the doc tab. opening in file manager or AQPkg itself works ok |
| 02:22.57 | ljp | thats would be a bug in either aqpkg or opie launcher |
| 02:23.52 | agg | text files work ok, when opened in the launcher |
| 02:24.32 | Pendalar | I'll try, one sec |
| 02:25.18 | Pendalar | I have a question about it |
| 02:25.25 | Pendalar | the new documents loading thing |
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| 02:25.38 | Pendalar | in medium mount I turned it off completely, but it still searches for docs |
| 02:25.46 | Pendalar | what's up with that? |
| 02:26.42 | W8TVI | the people that made it dont have an sd card |
| 02:26.49 | agg | yeah, same for me ... i think mickeyl mentioned this earlier ... it's a new "feature" |
| 02:26.53 | W8TVI | so they don't care or something |
| 02:27.22 | W8TVI | I dont know why a doc tab is even needed |
| 02:29.32 | Pendalar | yep SEGSEGV when clicking an ipkg |
| 02:29.55 | Pendalar | W8TVI: my issue is I have a ton of code and GCC on my SD |
| 02:30.02 | W8TVI | yeah |
| 02:30.11 | Pendalar | and a backup of GCC and code on my CF |
| 02:30.14 | Pendalar | as you can image it takes forever |
| 02:30.31 | W8TVI | yeah |
| 02:31.06 | Pendalar | I did global for all media, and unclicked everything to look for |
| 02:31.06 | agg | yep, at least one must be able to restrict the scanning to a subdir ... which didn't even work in 0.9.3 either :( |
| 02:31.13 | Pendalar | it just ignores it and carries on |
| 02:31.34 | Pendalar | I'd like documents gone totally ;-) but I guess some people use that system |
| 02:31.55 | Pendalar | I wonder if there's some config I could toy with to kill it |
| 02:32.14 | W8TVI | the doc menu should be moved into its own ipk |
| 02:32.41 | agg | ok, folks, bed time for me (3:30 over here in germany). good night :) |
| 02:33.03 | W8TVI | that way it could be an option |
| 02:33.09 | Pendalar | yep =-) |
| 02:33.38 | Pendalar | what about if I uninstall medium mount? |
| 02:33.50 | Pendalar | wouldn't that leave the Doc tab but no searching? |
| 02:33.55 | W8TVI | I dont think that would help |
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| 02:35.12 | Pendalar | what program would do the searching then? |
| 02:36.20 | W8TVI | not sure... |
| 02:36.26 | W8TVI | the launcher? |
| 02:40.00 | Pendalar | I thought that was the point of the medium mount application |
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| 03:04.52 | chouimat | nigth |
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| 03:23.47 | r1ch | Ok... let's try this again... I'm trying to get my D-Link DCF-660W wifi card working with OZ 3.2. No amount of manual config seems to get it working. Can anyone offer tipe, please? |
| 03:24.10 | Pendalar | go to the unstable feed and ensure you have the latest hostap package |
| 03:24.18 | Pendalar | beyond that I do not know without forum searching |
| 03:24.37 | r1ch | <I>UN</I>stable. Ok. (re forums, I've been looking for about 4 days now.) |
| 03:25.22 | Pendalar | unstable is where you'll find the latest stuff |
| 03:25.32 | r1ch | K. I'll give it a go. |
| 03:25.33 | Pendalar | in hopes your card has recently been added |
| 03:26.36 | r1ch | It used to work, but stopped (I've been screwing with the configs for months, and now it's mung. I just reflashed. |
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| 03:35.00 | r1ch | Pendalar: ok... I'm looking for the unstable/feed directory- the link on openzaurus.org points to a directory that doesn't exist. |
| 03:35.40 | Pendalar | someone must be updating it then |
| 03:35.48 | Pendalar | or you have the wrong url |
| 03:35.51 | Pendalar | somethin ;-) |
| 03:36.29 | r1ch | Must be the way I'm holding my mouth, 'cuz I'm clicking on the link on the openzaurus.org download page. |
| 03:37.23 | r1ch | The testing link is broken, too. |
| 03:37.25 | Pendalar | yeah the feed is gone |
| 03:37.32 | Pendalar | dunno, probably getting updated or moved etc |
| 03:51.08 | r1ch | K. |
| 03:52.46 | ljp | http://www.opie.us/feeds/sl5x00 |
| 03:53.56 | Pendalar | =-p |
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| 05:35.30 | grahamdrew | anybody tried the gw2 2.4.18 kernel on collie here? |
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| 06:32.32 | r1ch | Is there another source for the OZ unstable feed other than openzaurus directly? |
| 06:36.33 | ljp | there is one at http://www.opie.us/feeds/sl5x00 |
| 06:37.31 | r1ch | That's an opie feed (doesn't contain the rest of the OZ packages). I'm looking for a full mirror. |
| 06:38.20 | ljp | it does contain oz |
| 06:39.18 | r1ch | And unstable? |
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| 06:40.06 | ljp | I dont think anything in oz has reached what I call stable |
| 06:41.34 | r1ch | Ok... I'm looking at the OZ web site download page and I see a link for a "testing" feed and an "unstable" feed. Neither of those are working right now. They were earlier. Is there another source- like a mirror elsewhere- for them? |
| 06:42.42 | ljp | that feed I gave you is going to be the latest there is |
| 06:43.01 | ljp | minus some that dont work |
| 06:44.54 | r1ch | K, |
| 06:47.44 | r1ch | I'm still fighting with my wifi connection. Something has gone horribly wrong, and I can't seem to get it working again. |
| 06:56.04 | ljp | what device? |
| 06:57.37 | r1ch | It's a 5500 running OZ3.2 and using a D-Link DCF-660W |
| 07:02.32 | ljp | ahh, I have problems with that card too. |
| 07:02.55 | ljp | hardware problems |
| 07:02.57 | r1ch | It's worked for me before. Recently. |
| 07:03.03 | ljp | yep. |
| 07:03.17 | r1ch | What? Like the card died? |
| 07:03.18 | ljp | I have to bend it slightly to get it to send packaets |
| 07:04.08 | ljp | basically |
| 07:04.24 | r1ch | Bloody hell. |
| 07:04.32 | r1ch | What do you use now? |
| 07:05.28 | ljp | netgear MA701 |
| 07:06.06 | r1ch | Work ok with kismet? |
| 07:06.34 | ljp | havent tried |
| 07:06.47 | ljp | uses hostap |
| 07:07.23 | r1ch | Cool. Kismet likes it. |
| 07:08.17 | ljp | if that d-link is still under warranty, I'd take it back |
| 07:08.40 | r1ch | Nah- it's been a while. I only paid $20 for it anyway. |
| 07:09.44 | ljp | ahh |
| 07:10.01 | ljp | ya, mine was cheap like that too.. obviously for a reason |
| 07:10.17 | zakk | r1ch: does the 660 cover the headphone and stylus bits? the 650 does |
| 07:10.19 | r1ch | Whadaya hear about Linksys on the Z? |
| 07:10.26 | r1ch | zakk: Nope. |
| 07:10.38 | zakk | neat |
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| 08:05.16 | Piete | 'lo |
| 08:09.23 | lpotter | hello |
| 08:24.43 | lpotter | whats up, piete, havent seen you around for a while |
| 08:26.22 | Piete | sorry,, I got distracted :) |
| 08:26.33 | Piete | heh, well, not much is up :) |
| 08:26.45 | Piete | I'm busy wirelessifying my NAT box.. |
| 08:27.21 | lpotter | ahh. fun |
| 08:27.51 | lpotter | I moved to the other side of the earth |
| 08:28.03 | Piete | cool :) where are you now? |
| 08:28.10 | Piete | au? |
| 08:28.10 | lpotter | brisbane, australia |
| 08:28.23 | Piete | sweet,, now we are only 1 hour appart :) |
| 08:28.28 | lpotter | :) |
| 08:28.45 | lpotter | yup. no more living in the past for me :) |
| 08:28.53 | Piete | heheh :) |
| 08:29.01 | Piete | I'm thinking of going there myself soon.. |
| 08:29.23 | Piete | If I like what I see I'll try and get a Australian citizenship :) |
| 08:29.44 | lpotter | ahh. good luck. it's really nice here |
| 08:30.20 | lpotter | and I am working for the best company in he world |
| 08:30.38 | Piete | heh, sounds wonderful :D |
| 08:30.55 | Piete | one thing that worries me though,, hows the bandwidth? |
| 08:31.06 | lpotter | just fine. |
| 08:31.14 | lpotter | maybe a bit expensive. |
| 08:31.26 | lpotter | but not too bad |
| 08:32.07 | lpotter | we are getting fiber at the office, as we speak |
| 08:32.54 | Piete | cool.. I think that after experiencing bandwidth like this, for 20USD/month, I'm a bit addicted to Korea :P http://piete.dyndns.org:8080/~abri/bw.png |
| 08:33.00 | lpotter | i think it's going to be a long night for the acting sysadmin, as I can;t ping it yet |
| 08:33.42 | lpotter | nice |
| 08:34.06 | Piete | when did you move? |
| 08:34.24 | lpotter | little over 3 months ago |
| 08:34.43 | Piete | any 'culture shock' yet, mate? :P |
| 08:36.04 | Piete | I only really adapted to the Korean culture this year.. and I've been here for over 3 years now.. |
| 08:36.22 | Piete | and the Korean alphabet rules :) |
| 08:37.36 | lpotter | only with the side of the car and road they drive on, |
| 08:37.55 | lpotter | it's really more americanized here than I thought |
| 08:38.18 | Piete | and the food rules.. hmmm... ribs on the barbie :P |
| 08:38.19 | lpotter | except for the store shopping hours |
| 08:38.44 | lpotter | havent been to a barie, yet. just a few parties |
| 08:38.49 | Piete | too bad the 'normal' food here in korea is terribly expensive :( I only eat steak once a year or so... |
| 08:39.15 | lpotter | it's also weird not being cold this close to January |
| 08:39.54 | Piete | heh, yea,, right now I'm freezing in here.. luckily I'm going back to SA for 2 mnths in 3 weeks. |
| 08:40.08 | Piete | I really prefer the Southern Hemisphere at this time of year :) |
| 08:40.21 | lpotter | I am wearig shorts, have the ceiling fan on, and the windows have been open since I got here |
| 08:40.50 | Piete | if you need some cool air, I can DCC you some.. I have plenty |
| 08:40.55 | lpotter | hehe |
| 08:41.05 | lpotter | no thanks. its currently rather perfect |
| 08:42.00 | Piete | I'll have to figure out how HostAP works. I got this card because I want to share the net with my Powerbook |
| 08:42.27 | Piete | I'm a little sad to say that the powerbook has mostly replaced my Zaurus for now.. |
| 08:42.30 | lpotter | and you have no switch/router? |
| 08:43.45 | Piete | well, I'm building a hybrid box.. currently its a P100 running linux NATting for my wired LAN.. I just added a Netgear MA311 802.11b card to it, so that I can NAT to it too |
| 08:44.26 | Piete | I originally wanted to simply bridge eth1 and wlan0, but I think thats a bit of a security risk.. so for now I'll just route between them |
| 08:44.54 | Piete | <with iptables treating wlan0 as untrusted> |
| 08:45.36 | lpotter | probably a good idea |
| 08:46.03 | lpotter | I only allow my mac address in the wifi |
| 08:49.29 | Piete | I just hope I can get Master mode to work. |
| 08:50.12 | Piete | whats the latest version of OZ 3.2? |
| 08:50.52 | lpotter | 3.2 |
| 08:51.07 | Piete | heh, its been a while since an update.. |
| 08:51.08 | lpotter | I just put up an updated image with opie 1.02 |
| 08:51.41 | Piete | where can I find it? |
| 08:51.42 | lpotter | http://www.opie.us/opie/devZone.php/initrds/OZ-Opie-1.02/ |
| 08:51.49 | Piete | ok, thanks :) |
| 08:52.21 | Piete | I'll install it as soon as I get wireless going.. (I pretty much gave up on usbdnet, too unstable) |
| 08:52.59 | lpotter | it uses usbnet now, which is in 2.4.21 |
| 08:53.20 | lpotter | which is at least, a bit better than usbdnet |
| 08:53.48 | Piete | ahh, right :) |
| 08:54.38 | Piete | I had an 802.11b USB dongle that I used for a few months with the Z, but it fried itself somehow.. |
| 08:54.49 | Piete | it was very cheap though,, about 15USD.. |
| 08:55.36 | lpotter | :) |
| 08:55.40 | Piete | This time I decided to get a proper card.. I had to get it on ebay, since the dealers here in korea doesnt carry the MA311 (or -any- other prism2/2.5/3 based cards..) |
| 08:55.51 | Piete | strange.. |
| 08:56.13 | Piete | <shouts at P100 to compile faster> |
| 08:56.14 | lpotter | thats odd |
| 08:56.18 | lpotter | ha! |
| 08:56.35 | lpotter | I bought a p4 2.6 gHz box here |
| 08:56.50 | Piete | nice :D |
| 08:57.24 | Piete | I'm still saving up for that AthlonFX 51.. |
| 08:57.46 | Piete | maybe I'll be able to afford it in, 3, 4, maybe 5 years.. |
| 08:57.50 | Piete | heh |
| 08:57.54 | lpotter | are you a graphic designer, perhaps? |
| 08:58.26 | Piete | nope.. I only tinker with the Gimp every now and then, but I'm not very good :) |
| 08:58.40 | lpotter | heheh.. oh well |
| 08:59.24 | Piete | its pretty hard to keep a girlfriend over here.. the communications barrier is huge.. |
| 08:59.36 | Piete | luckily there are so -many- of them :P |
| 09:00.47 | lpotter | hehehe |
| 09:01.01 | lpotter | where are you from? |
| 09:01.40 | Piete | I'm South African by birth, but I'm more of a world-citizen.. I've been traveling since I was a kid |
| 09:02.24 | lpotter | ahhh. nice |
| 09:03.42 | Piete | Seen Matrix 3 yet? |
| 09:05.34 | lpotter | no. I havent yet see the original :) |
| 09:06.56 | Piete | wow.. :) you must be the only person that I know of (except maybe my granddad) that hasnt seem the first one :) |
| 09:07.07 | lpotter | hehehe |
| 09:07.23 | lpotter | ya, I should rent that at some point |
| 09:07.31 | Piete | I don't care about the plot and the 'hidden messages' in it at all.. I just go there because the excessive violence is so relaxing |
| 09:07.45 | Piete | s/go there/watch it |
| 09:08.21 | Piete | the special effects in the last two matrices is just amazing |
| 09:08.50 | lpotter | hmmm |
| 09:09.39 | Piete | this kernel -better- turn out right.. I'm not prepared to wait another 4 hours for it to compile.. |
| 09:10.07 | Piete | *memo to self, next time, remember to disable XFS support, it takes -ages- to compile* |
| 09:10.09 | lpotter | ouch |
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| 09:20.37 | Piete | I should probably set up distcc some time... |
| 09:22.41 | Twiun | good morning |
| 09:24.09 | Piete | heya :) |
| 09:30.41 | Piete | aahhh! its still compiling.. |
| 09:31.37 | Twiun | 15mins tops |
| 09:35.01 | Piete | ah well, this is only a once-every-two-years thing :) |
| 09:37.57 | lpotter | I would hate to try a buildroot compile with that thing |
| 09:38.09 | lpotter | or qt3/kde |
| 09:38.24 | Piete | lol, yea.. |
| 09:39.05 | Piete | Using this think makes me appreciate how far computers have come in the past 10 years.. |
| 09:39.11 | Piete | thing* |
| 09:39.35 | Piete | (yes, I know its not 10 years old, but its getting pretty close) |
| 09:40.03 | Piete | I wonder what we'll all be using in 2050... |
| 09:40.34 | lpotter | holograpgic processors |
| 09:40.40 | lpotter | holographic, even |
| 09:41.51 | Piete | heh, then we'll think back "awww, that guy was bragging about his 1TB RAID array.." |
| 09:42.08 | Piete | but we'll probably do that in 3 years |
| 09:42.31 | Piete | -sigh- *looks at his 20GB HDD* |
| 09:43.38 | Piete | heyy,, weren't you killed by those SWAT guys in the first matrix? |
| 09:50.12 | Piete | at last! init.c |
| 09:50.14 | Piete | getting close |
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| 09:53.11 | Twiun | hiya mithro |
| 09:53.19 | mithro | hey Twiun |
| 09:53.24 | mithro | how have you been? |
| 09:53.50 | Twiun | cursing my tooth-ache :( |
| 09:53.57 | Twiun | otherwise ok, you? |
| 09:55.27 | Twiun | Piete: got an appointment to get all 4 wisdom teeth out in january |
| 09:57.30 | Piete | ouuuuuuuu!!!! maaann,,, |
| 09:57.42 | Piete | thats terrible |
| 09:58.03 | Twiun | it's gotta be done |
| 09:58.16 | Twiun | and there's no way I'm having them done one at a time or in pairs |
| 09:58.25 | Twiun | it's just too hard to get appointments |
| 09:58.54 | Piete | I hope they knock you out somehow,, I wouldnt wanna be away during that :/ |
| 09:59.08 | Piete | awake* |
| 09:59.11 | Twiun | yeah, I'll be under GA |
| 09:59.17 | mithro | i was at work most of today |
| 10:00.18 | mithro | Twiun: it's suprisingly easy to get a dentist appointment here, just as long as you are willing to wait 5 years :) |
| 10:00.28 | Piete | Twiun: you can have my stuffed-tux when you are done :P |
| 10:00.55 | Twiun | mithro: yeah... 6 month wait for surgery here |
| 10:01.02 | Twiun | Piete: Awwww, shucks :) |
| 10:01.09 | Twiun | Piete: Thanks :) |
| 10:01.14 | Piete | haha :P |
| 10:03.27 | Piete | http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=12698 hehe.. |
| 10:03.36 | Piete | poor 'average users' |
| 10:23.22 | Piete | my goodness,, its still compiling.. |
| 10:23.28 | Piete | insane... |
| 10:24.50 | Piete | oh, btw |
| 10:24.54 | Piete | the mouse device |
| 10:24.57 | Piete | is /dev/usbmouse |
| 10:25.31 | Piete | oops |
| 10:26.07 | Piete | anyway |
| 10:26.08 | Piete | gtg |
| 10:26.09 | Piete | bye :) |
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| 11:08.00 | agg | ljp: if you're reading this: the list update for your feed still doesn't work. :( so i downloaded stuff manually, and noticed one more thing: opie-reader segfaults on exit. |
| 11:09.36 | agg | ljp: also, the initrd misses some fonts (in particular: helvetica) |
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| 11:12.17 | mickeyl | we don't package Helvetica |
| 11:12.18 | mickeyl | we use Vera |
| 11:12.23 | mickeyl | Helvetica is in the feeds |
| 11:13.23 | agg | mickeyl, hi! yeah, but with vera i don't get any bold and italic in hancom word :( |
| 11:13.32 | mickeyl | i see |
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| 11:29.08 | agg | mickeyl: one more: what's up with the missing dependency on libstdc++ in mediaplayer2? it seems to be bogus. (i already noticed that in earlier releases, too) |
| 11:29.56 | mickeyl | yeah, the dependency is not needed |
| 11:30.04 | mickeyl | but noone seems to care to eliminate it |
| 11:30.34 | mickeyl | did i say we are lacking a few developers lately? :D |
| 11:31.55 | agg | yeah, i read about that in the wiki :( |
| 11:32.19 | agg | well, when i get the darn xcompile env to work, i might join the fun :) |
| 11:32.23 | mickeyl | cool |
| 11:38.29 | agg | hmm, mediaplayer2 seems to be broken in 1.0.2 :( |
| 11:39.54 | agg | when i push the play button, the player appears for a short time, but exits immediately |
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| 11:59.24 | agg | yep, mediaplayer2 from 1.0.2 doesn't work, and the one from the stable feed doesn't work either. what now? i wanna play my oggs! ;-) |
| 12:00.28 | zakk | xmms-embedded.sf.net |
| 12:02.28 | agg | zakk: thanks, i'll try that. :) |
| 12:02.32 | zakk | sure |
| 12:04.47 | tuxoverflowUK | anyone know were i can download the mail it ipkg - version with no deps |
| 12:06.23 | agg | ljp: btw, updating the list view of your feed still hangs at the end, but after aborting the list is there :) |
| 12:07.01 | tuxoverflowUK | ive also noticed people with there sd cards locking when they have installed apps on it - a prime suspect for it it gaim - after installing all the pacakages for gaim on the sd card - when you go into standby it cant unmount and remount the card on resume |
| 12:07.18 | tuxoverflowUK | i thought i would warn you |
| 12:07.29 | tuxoverflowUK | took me ages to sus it!!! |
| 12:09.30 | tuxoverflowUK | does anyone know were i might get L.J. Potter email address to get the version of mail it with no deps |
| 12:09.32 | tuxoverflowUK | please |
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| 12:10.07 | tuxoverflowUK | apparantly he is the maintainer |
| 12:15.54 | Twiun | tuxoverflowUK: Lorn Potter <lpotter@trolltech.com> |
| 12:37.57 | agg | mickeyl: what do you use as xdevel environment? gcc 2.95.3 or 3.3? |
| 12:38.25 | mickeyl | depends on the target platform |
| 12:38.29 | mickeyl | 2.95.3 on collie |
| 12:38.34 | mickeyl | on all other systems 3.3.x |
| 12:38.43 | mickeyl | well, 2.95.3 on SIMpad... yet |
| 12:39.27 | Twiun | s/yet/for now/ |
| 12:40.33 | agg | 3.3 doesn't work for collie yet? |
| 12:41.32 | agg | or is it because all precompiled stuff uses 2.95.2? |
| 12:41.39 | mickeyl | the latter |
| 12:42.01 | mickeyl | Twiun: thanks. i want to improve my english, so corrections are welcome |
| 12:42.08 | agg | ok, then i better stick with 2.95.3, too, for now :) |
| 12:42.56 | Twiun | mickeyl: you realise you've just given me 'carte blanche' for all kinds of corrections? - note that my english isn't perfect either :) |
| 12:43.29 | mithro | bah! i'm native to the language and i can't speak is any good either :) |
| 12:43.52 | mickeyl | ups |
| 12:43.53 | mickeyl | :) |
| 12:44.05 | Twiun | mithro: but that's to be expected, very few english countries actually teach english as a first language |
| 12:44.21 | Twiun | mithro: you're expected to absorb it from the TV |
| 12:44.31 | Twiun | mithro: osmosis-style |
| 12:44.52 | mithro | Twiun: well my country does |
| 12:44.57 | mithro | and we still all suck at it :) |
| 12:45.14 | Twiun | god knows, I've learnt my english through reading lots of well written books.... the UK education system had very little to do with it |
| 12:45.47 | agg | don't even get me started on this -- ever heard of the Pisa study in europe? |
| 12:46.48 | agg | kids don't read any more -- they pick up things from tv and icq ;-) |
| 12:46.50 | Twiun | agg: nope, what did it conclude? |
| 12:47.22 | agg | Twiun: that germans suck at basic skills like text comprehension and math :( |
| 12:47.47 | agg | the latest generation that is |
| 12:48.06 | Twiun | agg: they can't possibly be worse than the latest generation of brits/americans |
| 12:48.09 | Twiun | surely? |
| 12:48.32 | mithro | i think we all reached our peak a long time ago :) |
| 12:48.54 | agg | i don't know, i mostly deal with scientists, they seem to be fairly well educated ... |
| 12:49.07 | agg | and i've never been in the states, so i can't compare ;-) |
| 12:49.24 | Twiun | agg: I'm relieved... uneducated scientists... |
| 12:49.43 | agg | they also did a study with adults over here, some time ago |
| 12:49.57 | Twiun | adults? 25 to 35? |
| 12:50.19 | agg | no, all adults. the elder ppl saved our day :) |
| 12:50.57 | Twiun | ahh |
| 12:51.02 | agg | it is being speculated that if the repeat that study *now* the result would be vastly different :) |
| 12:51.19 | agg | i mean all those youngsters grow up ... |
| 12:51.37 | Twiun | Yeah, that figures - I despair at some people my own age (25) |
| 12:51.44 | Twiun | nevermind younger |
| 12:52.25 | agg | well, am i the oldest one in here? (beyond 40) |
| 12:53.43 | Twiun | dunno, ages aren't usually ontopic :) |
| 12:54.13 | Twiun | hmmm, and I haven't got the designer online yet... he's also 40+ |
| 12:54.54 | agg | you mean the guy who originally developed oz? or opie? |
| 12:55.39 | Twiun | agg: no, gfx/usability designer I'm supplying for opie |
| 12:57.22 | Twiun | agg: http://opie.handhelds.org/wiki/index.php/OpieGUIDesigner |
| 12:58.23 | agg | Twiun: do you think opie needs that? works pretty well for me ... but i guess you can always improve things |
| 12:58.26 | Twiun | mickeyl: talking of that, when would be good times to arrange an online meeting this week? |
| 12:58.53 | Twiun | agg: have you used a Palm at all? |
| 12:59.57 | agg | nope, just recently bought the z. i would have never considered a palm or even windoze ce device |
| 13:00.33 | agg | actually i don't need an organizer at all, my paper calendar works pretty well for me :) |
| 13:00.46 | Twiun | hehe |
| 13:01.13 | agg | the z is something different ... i want to get my devel stuff going, so that i don't need to carry my laptop ... |
| 13:01.18 | Twiun | well, in terms of consistency and usability, Opie needs work |
| 13:01.37 | Twiun | that's my opinion from having use a Palm *and* from seeing how a dedicated person can make a difference when working on those things |
| 13:02.20 | Twiun | agg: granted - this kind of design is really for end users |
| 13:03.18 | agg | yeah, doing gui design requires a different mindset. i'm working a lot with musicians and artists, so i can appreciate that developer skills is not all and everything :) |
| 13:05.03 | mithro | Twiun: i agree |
| 13:05.30 | mithro | Opie has alot of good UI, it just kinda needs the spit'n'polish that palm has gotten |
| 13:06.15 | agg | Twiun: what is your role in the project? do you work on opie? |
| 13:07.24 | Twiun | agg: cal me one of the agitators :) I'm a Java developer, so not really the skillset to work on opie (also involved in other projects) |
| 13:07.31 | Twiun | mithro: exactly |
| 13:07.48 | Twiun | agg: One of my aims is to bring Kaffe to Opie |
| 13:08.30 | Twiun | agg: but seeing as I knew someone who could help Opie on this aspect and it'd be mutually beneficial, I thought, why not :) |
| 13:09.42 | Twiun | agg: I also act as an ear - discussing development strategies/architectures is what I do at work as well, why not share that skill |
| 13:10.48 | agg | Twiun: interesting stuff. i'm also about to port my own programming environment, a functional programming language -- think ML/Haskell, but with library support ;-) |
| 13:11.15 | Twiun | agg: yikes, that's way too low-level for me :) |
| 13:11.45 | agg | Twiun: it's fun, you should really write your own compiler one day ;-) |
| 13:12.03 | Twiun | agg: my current project is a framebuffer set of bindings for java so it doesn't need Opie/X/WinCE to run on a device |
| 13:12.19 | Twiun | agg: I'd have to do a computing course beforehand ;) |
| 13:13.19 | Twiun | agg: the other project, qt/e bindings are on hold until Kaffe reaches a state it can use them (a few weeks at most) |
| 13:14.55 | agg | Twiun: i'd be *very* interested in your code ... right now Q (my language) uses X11 (actually Tcl/Tk) and ggi for graphics, so i'll have to implement something else for Oz/Opie |
| 13:15.15 | agg | Twiun: never did a Qt wrapper before, can you do that in plain C? |
| 13:15.44 | Twiun | agg: almost, there's a lot of fooling the compiler involved |
| 13:16.10 | Twiun | agg: but the wrapper is only half the work |
| 13:16.32 | Twiun | agg: unless you also translate all the qt abstractions into your language |
| 13:16.56 | Twiun | agg: and then what you have is a thin-wrapper |
| 13:17.15 | Twiun | agg: with Java, there's the AWT already there |
| 13:17.28 | Twiun | agg: Abstract Windowing Toolkit |
| 13:17.40 | agg | Twiun: well, Q has its own OO type system, so that should be possible ... but lots of work :( |
| 13:18.26 | agg | Twiun: is there a scripting interface to Qt yet? i once read about Qt bindings for Tcl, but I think that never materialized? |
| 13:18.29 | Twiun | agg: well, when you get there, give me a shout - it's not hard to do, just tedious |
| 13:19.01 | Twiun | agg: hmmm, don't know enough about Qt to say - I learned just enough to write the bindings ;) |
| 13:19.11 | Twiun | agg: I'm not at all comfortable in native code |
| 13:20.26 | agg | Twiun: well, i know my ways in C/C++, but many things are just so tedious, that's why i'm developing my own functional language ;-) |
| 13:21.30 | Twiun | I did my degree in electronic engineering, so I missed all the good stuff of computer science |
| 13:21.38 | Twiun | I learned all I know on the job |
| 13:21.50 | Twiun | software engineering included ;) |
| 13:23.10 | agg | That's not the worst you can do. ;-) |
| 13:24.03 | agg | crap! all the while we're talking, I'm trying to get a new rom on my cf card, but konqueror bails out ... |
| 13:25.02 | Twiun | To be honest, when I see what comes out of university in terms of practical knowledge, I'm thankful I learned what I did when I did |
| 13:26.15 | agg | yeah, many cs students think they can just stick to the theory ... but there's no way around it, you need to practice this stuff ;-) |
| 13:27.49 | Twiun | Yah - especially when you find you do so many different things that you forget what happened 2 weeks ago - including how that code worked |
| 13:28.02 | Twiun | the amount of undocumented stuff I see is just disgusting |
| 13:28.44 | agg | well, so you need to use a language in which the programs themselves are the spec ;-) |
| 13:31.10 | Twiun | agg: I'm sure even that noble idea can be perverted, if someone tries hard enough :) |
| 13:31.48 | agg | i was just joking. you can write incomprehensible code in any language ... |
| 13:32.05 | agg | ... and some algorithms are just complicated |
| 13:32.10 | Twiun | truly |
| 13:32.37 | Twiun | actually, I wonder if you could be of help... |
| 13:33.07 | Twiun | I haven't had much luck finding this on the 'net, and wonder if it's available in academic resources |
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| 13:33.19 | agg | go ahead |
| 13:33.43 | Twiun | I'm looking for a deterministic, intergerised ellipse algorithm ;) |
| 13:33.54 | Twiun | integerised even |
| 13:34.35 | Twiun | deterministic in the sense that I need to know before any calculations how many points it'ss rasterise to |
| 13:34.44 | Twiun | s/ss/ll/ |
| 13:35.06 | agg | you mean draw an ellipse? |
| 13:35.31 | agg | that's probably folk knowledge among the graphic programmers ... |
| 13:35.39 | agg | ... and so is hard to find :) |
| 13:36.02 | Twiun | unfortunately, all the algos I've found use floating point math and/or are non-deterministic :( |
| 13:36.39 | Twiun | I need the deterministic aspect to make the filling efficient |
| 13:36.50 | Twiun | otherwise I start needing dynamic memory structures |
| 13:37.49 | Twiun | I've also taken a look at bezier approximations of ellipses... but the math for those is just painfully slow without an fpu |
| 13:38.44 | agg | Twiun: must go to dinner now -- wife gets impatient ;-) i answer later. bbl |
| 13:39.03 | Twiun | agg: 'k |
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| 14:12.21 | tuxoverflowUK | is there a reason for the feeds being down?? cant access testing and unstable at the moment |
| 14:14.32 | agg | Twiun: have you seen this? http://www.magic-software.com/Documentation/IntegerBasedEllipseDrawing.pdf |
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| 14:17.10 | tuxoverflowUK | what happend!! |
| 14:17.11 | tuxoverflowUK | ha |
| 14:17.30 | agg | tuxoverflowUK: yep the testing and unstable feeds are gone |
| 14:17.46 | tuxoverflowUK | weird eh? why is that |
| 14:17.56 | tuxoverflowUK | is it because of new version?? |
| 14:18.03 | agg | rumours have it that a new release is imminent :) |
| 14:18.11 | tuxoverflowUK | cooooooooool |
| 14:18.16 | tuxoverflowUK | i want it!! ha |
| 14:18.50 | agg | but don't take my word for it, that's just what i've been told ;-) |
| 14:19.03 | tuxoverflowUK | cool cheers |
| 14:19.13 | tuxoverflowUK | yes ive heard people talking about it |
| 14:19.16 | agg | mickeyl: i want that! i want that! now :) |
| 14:19.17 | Twiun | agg: I thought I had, but I'll double check |
| 14:19.23 | tuxoverflowUK | ver 3.5?? |
| 14:19.29 | tuxoverflowUK | would it be? |
| 14:19.37 | Twiun | 3.3.5 iirc |
| 14:20.16 | tuxoverflowUK | its like this its much better than any other rom ive tried - the only problem i have had is dependencies |
| 14:20.22 | mickeyl | sorry, but the doctab stuff is Opie 1.1.x |
| 14:20.32 | tuxoverflowUK | ah right |
| 14:20.40 | tuxoverflowUK | yer its superb really is |
| 14:21.10 | tuxoverflowUK | just like when i wanted to install something easy like mailit it doesnt work its like what the hell its in the list!! |
| 14:21.24 | tuxoverflowUK | but icant fault it - it works great |
| 14:21.30 | Twiun | agg: Ah, no, I hadn't found that, thanks :) |
| 14:21.52 | Twiun | agg: hate these bits though, but don't think I can get away from them: a*x*x+2*b*x*y+c*y*y-d; |
| 14:22.07 | tuxoverflowUK | looking forward to new version - hope is syncs over network still nice feature |
| 14:22.22 | agg | Twiun: well an ellipse is an ellipse is an ... :) |
| 14:22.23 | Twiun | agg: any idea on the license for that document? |
| 14:22.48 | tuxoverflowUK | what about hancom office any joy getting that working yet or is that later |
| 14:22.58 | Twiun | agg: I know - I just try to squeeze as much performance out by removing math ops as much as I can |
| 14:23.06 | Twiun | tuxoverflowUK: later methinks |
| 14:23.34 | tuxoverflowUK | even the word is good it seem to be required or something that reads word docs!! |
| 14:24.00 | tuxoverflowUK | i know MS word is crap but its pretty standard nowa days!! unfortunatly!! |
| 14:24.01 | tuxoverflowUK | lol |
| 14:24.08 | agg | Twiun: it looks like a research paper ... but in the states you never know, they might even patent addition :) |
| 14:24.27 | Twiun | tuxoverflowUK: yeah, tell me about it - all job agencies in the uk want word format CVs |
| 14:24.36 | Twiun | tuxoverflowUK: only IBM was different, needing RTF |
| 14:24.37 | agg | Twiun: note that the algorithm needs large integers |
| 14:24.57 | tuxoverflowUK | ha no way!! |
| 14:26.04 | tuxoverflowUK | another thing i just sussed out it was gaim keeping hold of my sd card when it was trying to remount after a resume!! I have removed it from the sd card and it is fine now |
| 14:26.35 | tuxoverflowUK | ive stored it in ram for now :-) and it works fine i can turn my Z into standby again!! |
| 14:26.49 | Twiun | agg: that's not a problem, the normal JVMs are optimised for the Java int (32bits) and I can use longs without losing to much speed |
| 14:27.19 | agg | Twiun: you need long longs there (64 bit) |
| 14:27.34 | Twiun | agg: java longs are 64bits ;) |
| 14:27.38 | agg | tuyoverflowUK: what's the trouble with hancomword? |
| 14:28.01 | agg | Twiun: all right ... you see, my Java knowledge is almost nil :) |
| 14:28.13 | agg | tuxoverflowUK: what's the trouble with hancomword? |
| 14:28.35 | agg | tuyoverflowUK: next time better choose a smaller nickname ... too much typing |
| 14:28.44 | tuxoverflowUK | ha yes ok |
| 14:29.15 | Twiun | agg: use an irc client with autocompletion :) |
| 14:29.19 | tuxoverflowUK | well i installed it to the sd card i told it to link the sd cd card but it wont run |
| 14:29.30 | tuxoverflowUK | when i click on it it says it cant run |
| 14:29.36 | tuxoverflowUK | have you had it running in oz |
| 14:30.00 | tuxoverflowUK | i got the ipk from the kompany rom application pack |
| 14:30.14 | tuxoverflowUK | is that any good |
| 14:30.15 | agg | yep, i havd it running on stable Oz 3.2, and I'm running it now again with the latest from ljp's site |
| 14:30.36 | tuxoverflowUK | whats lpps site? |
| 14:31.41 | agg | tuxoverflowUK: try the binaries here: http://mobile.hancom.com/download/product_num_reg.html |
| 14:31.54 | agg | (you need to enter your Z's id to get access) |
| 14:32.08 | agg | i think i had trouble with the ipkgs on the cd, too |
| 14:32.22 | tuxoverflowUK | ah cheers |
| 14:33.05 | agg | Twiun: hmm, is mozilla's irc client able to do that (autocompletion)? that's what i'm using |
| 14:33.30 | Twiun | agg: btw, thanks again (just read the paper), that paper should be verything I need |
| 14:33.55 | Twiun | agg: hmmm, not sure. I use irssi. I've used BitchX and xchat and both of those do it too |
| 14:34.07 | Twiun | agg: try starting to type someone's name and pressing tab |
| 14:34.26 | agg | Twiun: I was just lucky ... google loves me ;-) glad that you can use it |
| 14:34.48 | agg | Twiun: yep, mozilla irc does it too, thanks for the tip |
| 14:34.56 | agg | s/tip/hint/ |
| 14:35.02 | Twiun | no charge :) |
| 14:35.17 | Twiun | makes typing my name easier as well :) |
| 14:35.32 | Twiun | and I think it works at any place on the line, not just the beginning |
| 14:36.21 | agg | Twiun: you see, i'm an old fart ... didn't use irc until recently ... |
| 14:37.08 | Twiun | agg: I've only been using it for just over a year |
| 14:37.21 | Twiun | agg: since the Z first came out ;) |
| 14:37.55 | agg | Twiun: got much trouble with it at that time, i guess :) |
| 14:38.32 | agg | well, i have been following the z for quite a while ... a friend from NL had one (in fact, both the 5500 and the 700) |
| 14:38.52 | agg | and introduced me to it |
| 14:40.02 | agg | so i always wanted to get one ... but then i had to buy one new car ... 2nd new car ... work on the house ... no money :) |
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| 14:40.22 | tuxoverflowUK | cheers hancom word works fine now superb!! |
| 14:40.38 | tuxoverflowUK | it was the only package that was missing!! lol |
| 14:40.46 | agg | tuxoverflowUK: congrats :) |
| 14:40.51 | tuxoverflowUK | ha |
| 14:45.35 | agg | Twiun: do you know of any us release date for the 6000 yet? |
| 14:48.04 | Twiun | agg: I'm afraid not |
| 14:48.23 | Twiun | agg: Yeah, the original 5000d (which is what I have) had issues :) |
| 14:48.29 | tuxoverflowUK | it looks like january |
| 14:48.31 | Twiun | agg: mostly software ones though |
| 14:49.06 | agg | yeah, and little ram :) |
| 14:49.31 | Twiun | yup, that's why I'm trying to provide a way to run java without needing Qt |
| 14:49.51 | Twiun | that saves a goot 5mb on rom and ram |
| 14:50.22 | agg | tuxoverflowUK: do you know any more about this? has it been officially announced yet? i want to get one asap |
| 14:50.45 | agg | Twiun: you're still running on a 5000? kudos :) |
| 14:51.54 | agg | Twiun: have to leave now ... thanks for your kind offer to help with Qt wrapper etc., I'll get back to you on this :) |
| 14:52.14 | Twiun | agg: no prob |
| 14:52.15 | agg | first i have to get that xcompile environment running ... |
| 14:52.21 | agg | bye |
| 14:52.25 | Twiun | see yas! |
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| 15:21.17 | tuxoverflowUK | i just did a search on google for sharp zaurus sl600 and it told me january 2004 |
| 15:21.20 | tuxoverflowUK | i want to |
| 15:21.27 | tuxoverflowUK | i want one tooooo! |
| 15:23.40 | Twiun | I still want one of the c series ;) |
| 15:26.39 | tuxoverflowUK | they are like small laptops arent they? |
| 15:27.19 | tuxoverflowUK | anyone know if there is multi user logon capabilities in the new oz?? |
| 15:27.29 | tuxoverflowUK | i dont like running irc as root |
| 15:27.36 | tuxoverflowUK | would be a nice feature |
| 15:28.45 | Twiun | don't think multiuser is in there... but I haven't kept up with that aspect of OZ |
| 15:29.18 | tuxoverflowUK | would be handy ive seen the logon feature and user control |
| 15:29.29 | tuxoverflowUK | it would be good not running as root |
| 15:29.42 | tuxoverflowUK | logon a s root when packages needed installing etc |
| 15:31.22 | Twiun | yes, good in practice, but not the highest priority |
| 15:58.24 | hardwire | Twiun: |
| 15:58.41 | Twiun | I agree |
| 15:58.44 | Twiun | ;) |
| 15:58.47 | hardwire | indeed |
| 15:59.27 | mickeyl | the foundations are already layed out in buildroot and oz |
| 15:59.34 | mickeyl | but treke didn't finish his work |
| 15:59.37 | mickeyl | and noone else did |
| 16:02.07 | treke|home | The stuff in buildroot isnt really useful now that launching apps has changed |
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| 16:57.48 | tuxoverflowUK | see yah later |
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| 19:07.26 | W8TVI | I installed opie-dasher and opie-dasher-english, how to you use it? |
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| 21:04.24 | agg | mickeyl: there? could you help me getting started with that cross toolchain? |
| 21:05.35 | mickeyl | umm... |
| 21:05.44 | mickeyl | where's the problem? |
| 21:06.18 | agg | i got the stuff from http://openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/ |
| 21:06.33 | agg | now i'm pretty sure i saw some instructions in the opie wiki |
| 21:06.45 | agg | but for the live of me i can't find them any more |
| 21:06.46 | mickeyl | yes, they should be still there |
| 21:06.50 | mickeyl | lemme check |
| 21:07.59 | mickeyl | starts here |
| 21:07.59 | mickeyl | http://opie.handhelds.org/wiki/index.php?SourceCode |
| 21:08.09 | mickeyl | then http://opie.handhelds.org/wiki/index.php/BuildingQtForOpie |
| 21:08.25 | mickeyl | and back to SourceCode |
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| 21:11.10 | agg | mickeyl: thanks for those links ... but are there any docs on how to install the oz toolchain? |
| 21:11.27 | mickeyl | that's like.... tar xzf <toolchain> |
| 21:11.28 | mickeyl | :D |
| 21:11.30 | agg | i found this: http://www.uv-ac.de/opiedev/opiedev-4.html |
| 21:11.58 | mickeyl | *shudder* |
| 21:11.59 | agg | yeah, i unpacked it ... but where does it go, which env variables to set ... |
| 21:12.02 | mickeyl | *cough* |
| 21:12.09 | mickeyl | don't need all that stuff |
| 21:12.10 | mickeyl | really |
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| 21:12.22 | mickeyl | it goes into /usr/local/arm/<version> |
| 21:12.56 | agg | <version> = 3.2 or <version> = 2.95.3 ? |
| 21:13.21 | mickeyl | what you like - your decision |
| 21:13.31 | mickeyl | what do you want to do? |
| 21:13.41 | mickeyl | zaurus? x86? zaurus-PXA zaurus-SA ? |
| 21:14.28 | agg | what's zaurus PXA? |
| 21:14.42 | mickeyl | the PXA devices, 5600 and c7x0 |
| 21:14.50 | mickeyl | intel pxa 25x |
| 21:14.57 | agg | sorry for those newbie questions :) |
| 21:15.52 | agg | ok, lemme think ... i need the arm cross compiler of course, and then the x86 compiler to run progs on X11 |
| 21:16.12 | agg | i thought that was all included in that package?? |
| 21:16.19 | mickeyl | hell no :) |
| 21:16.29 | mickeyl | i recommend first trying to get opie done on x86 |
| 21:16.32 | mickeyl | in the qvfb |
| 21:16.38 | mickeyl | then play around with that to get familiar |
| 21:16.56 | mickeyl | when you are at this point, start cross compiling - don't look into it earlier |
| 21:17.17 | agg | oops, sorry. so i'm using my normal gcc for that, right? |
| 21:17.22 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 21:17.43 | agg | ok, then i start at those wiki pages and walk through ... thanks |
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| 21:18.26 | W8TVI | mickeyl: so have you killed the doc tab? |
| 21:18.43 | mickeyl | yeha! |
| 21:18.50 | W8TVI | cool! |
| 21:19.01 | W8TVI | two? |
| 21:19.08 | W8TVI | why not more |
| 21:19.11 | agg | mickeyl: is that in cvs already? |
| 21:19.41 | mickeyl | of course |
| 21:19.42 | mickeyl | :) |
| 21:19.53 | mickeyl | better subscribe opie-cvs |
| 21:19.58 | mickeyl | that's where the good news come in |
| 21:20.00 | mickeyl | ;D |
| 21:20.57 | W8TVI | heh |
| 21:21.10 | W8TVI | it'll be in the next opie? |
| 21:21.17 | mickeyl | yes |
| 21:21.19 | mickeyl | however |
| 21:21.21 | mickeyl | that's far away |
| 21:21.26 | W8TVI | so it'll be something you can turn off and on? |
| 21:21.32 | mickeyl | kind of, yeah |
| 21:21.46 | W8TVI | I should say, installed or not |
| 21:21.49 | W8TVI | :) |
| 21:22.45 | mickeyl | you can't get rid of the tab itself |
| 21:22.51 | W8TVI | :( |
| 21:22.51 | mickeyl | it's too much tied into the launcher |
| 21:22.58 | mickeyl | but i got rid of what it does |
| 21:23.03 | mickeyl | so the tab just says "doc tab not available" |
| 21:23.03 | W8TVI | cool |
| 21:23.07 | mickeyl | and no more processor cycles wasted |
| 21:23.12 | mickeyl | then you can go into launcher-settings |
| 21:23.13 | mickeyl | and enable |
| 21:23.21 | mickeyl | i also did a small app for the first-usage-wizard |
| 21:23.31 | mickeyl | which asks you wheter to enable or not |
| 21:23.41 | W8TVI | maybe latter on it can be changed it make to tab dissaper |
| 21:23.45 | mickeyl | maybe |
| 21:24.06 | mickeyl | i tried and when i didn't got it to work after 2 hours fiddling, i gave up and did it the hackish way :) |
| 21:24.15 | W8TVI | heh |
| 21:24.17 | mickeyl | but it works nice |
| 21:24.21 | W8TVI | yeah |
| 21:25.01 | W8TVI | I'm sure it'll take a bit more work to do a better fix... but at least it can be turned off |
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| 21:33.19 | agg | mickeyl: ok, subscribed to opie-cvs ... do you think it's a good idea to start with the latest branch? that'd be BRANCH_1_1 right? |
| 21:33.39 | mickeyl | there's only BRANCH_1_0 and HEAD |
| 21:34.56 | agg | all right, sorry, so i don't specify a branch and get the latest devel version ... to boldly go where noone ever went before :) |
| 21:35.03 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 21:35.04 | mickeyl | :D |
| 21:36.14 | agg | ok, checking it out now ... meanwhile it's probably a good idea to get qte as well ... |
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| 21:36.49 | tuxoverflow | good evening all |
| 21:37.57 | tuxoverflow | just been on my weelky .net course and showed the class oz on the zaurus very impressed!! |
| 21:38.16 | tuxoverflow | any news on when the feeds will be back up |
| 21:38.18 | Twiun | tuxoverflow: so when are you porting mono? |
| 21:38.29 | agg | tuxoverflow: .net? |
| 21:38.32 | tuxoverflow | straight away |
| 21:38.37 | tuxoverflow | yesd |
| 21:38.45 | tuxoverflow | yes work pay for it |
| 21:39.23 | Twiun | tuxoverflow: hang on a sec, you've lost me there. A UK employer paid for you to go on a course? Paid? |
| 21:39.26 | agg | tuxoverflow: all right. you're == tuxoverflowUK? |
| 21:39.42 | tuxoverflow | i am setting up a linux box for them next week with mono on |
| 21:39.59 | tuxoverflow | yes and they paid for my rhce / rhct too!! |
| 21:40.01 | tuxoverflow | ha |
| 21:40.16 | tuxoverflow | yes UK |
| 21:40.29 | Twiun | getting them to send you on C/C++/Java/Python courses too? |
| 21:40.48 | tuxoverflow | yer sounds good im just looking at c |
| 21:40.58 | tuxoverflow | just starting |
| 21:41.41 | tuxoverflow | any news on the new oz!!!> |
| 21:42.57 | Twiun | it runs, it's not released, please wait for the beep ;) |
| 21:44.11 | tuxoverflow | wow coool |
| 21:44.41 | tuxoverflow | any nice new features or you not telling!! |
| 21:45.06 | agg | hmm, trying to qte 2.3.5 or later .... the link in the wiki is wrong, can anyone help? |
| 21:46.51 | mickeyl | agg: browse into ftp.trolltech.com/pub/sources/qt/ or so |
| 21:46.57 | mickeyl | and please correct the wrong link while you're there |
| 21:47.06 | mickeyl | 2.3.7 |
| 21:47.35 | agg | mickeyl: yeah just found it too ... is 2.3.7 needed or does 3.x work too? |
| 21:48.17 | mickeyl | 2.3.7 |
| 21:51.20 | agg | ok, fixed the wiki ... |
| 21:52.03 | agg | arrgh, that isdn connection is so slow -- no dsl over here :( |
| 21:53.04 | agg | it'll probably take hours to get all this stuff :-/ |
| 22:01.56 | tuxoverflow | quick question about the sd card renount thing on resume - does it have to it!! and does it do this on other roms i cant remember,also if i remove the sync entry from the fstab will it speed up the remount dramiticaly! |
| 22:02.19 | mickeyl | i _think_ that is a kernel issue |
| 22:02.31 | tuxoverflow | ah right |
| 22:02.49 | tuxoverflow | sorry about bad spelling im on Z |
| 22:03.09 | tuxoverflow | does it do it with other roms |
| 22:03.34 | mickeyl | good question. i would think so, but i'm not sure |
| 22:03.50 | mickeyl | never used another rom except the sharp rom for a few days and then oz |
| 22:04.24 | tuxoverflow | yes same here i tried the kompany rom but cant remember if it did the remount |
| 22:04.42 | tuxoverflow | i know the kompany rom wont sync ! at all! |
| 22:04.58 | tuxoverflow | which isnt very good1 |
| 22:05.04 | tuxoverflow | ! |
| 22:05.06 | mickeyl | you can check by inspecting the /etc/apm.d |
| 22:05.15 | mickeyl | those directories contain the scripts which are executed on suspend |
| 22:05.23 | mickeyl | iirc there is a cardctl suspend in it |
| 22:05.37 | mickeyl | which seems to lead to a necessary remount |
| 22:05.50 | mickeyl | but ya' need to ask a kernel expert |
| 22:05.53 | mickeyl | to be sure |
| 22:06.16 | tuxoverflow | i might try the kompany rom to see if it does it |
| 22:06.58 | agg | tuxoverflow: i didn't notice it with the sharp rom ... but the sharp rom mounts sd and cf in sync mode which slows down ext2 to a crawl |
| 22:06.59 | tuxoverflow | cant remember |
| 22:07.25 | tuxoverflow | does oz not |
| 22:07.37 | agg | all oz roms i tried mount those without sync |
| 22:08.00 | agg | so that doesn't explain the delay while remounting |
| 22:08.00 | agg | must be a kernel issue |
| 22:08.55 | tuxoverflow | yes i can watch it do it it takes maybe ten seconds to umount then remount |
| 22:09.03 | tuxoverflow | not a major issue |
| 22:09.15 | agg | but annoying :) |
| 22:09.24 | tuxoverflow | but would be nice if it never did it!! |
| 22:09.32 | agg | that's not what i consider "instant power on" |
| 22:09.37 | tuxoverflow | ha |
| 22:09.41 | tuxoverflow | yes |
| 22:09.47 | Twiun | agg: emailed the author of those docs, got permission to use them :) |
| 22:10.17 | agg | Twiun: that's nice. is the method patented? |
| 22:10.47 | Twiun | agg: don't think so, but the research papers were his so I thought it best to ask |
| 22:13.09 | tuxoverflow | who actually controls oz |
| 22:13.21 | tuxoverflow | who is the top man! |
| 22:13.37 | mickeyl | hard to tell |
| 22:13.40 | mickeyl | we're a democracy |
| 22:13.47 | mickeyl | kergoth is the historical leader |
| 22:13.51 | agg | mickeyl: i'm looking at this /etc/apm/suspend.d/S35cardctl script right now ... |
| 22:13.51 | mickeyl | because he started oz |
| 22:13.54 | Twiun | yeah, lots of us have commit access to the repo |
| 22:14.10 | tuxoverflow | ha so its shared |
| 22:14.15 | tuxoverflow | very good |
| 22:14.28 | mickeyl | but OZ is a pretty open project. everyone who proves not to shoot himself by commiting crap, gets account |
| 22:14.44 | tuxoverflow | i just wondered - very good |
| 22:14.58 | mickeyl | sometimes people tell Opie or OZ is not open |
| 22:15.04 | mickeyl | that's crap - don't believe that |
| 22:15.14 | Twiun | s/tell/say/ |
| 22:15.19 | tuxoverflow | im basically not good at programing and i see it from an outsider |
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| 22:15.21 | Twiun | s/is/are/ |
| 22:15.47 | Twiun | tuxoverflow: You'd be useful too... documenter! |
| 22:15.52 | mickeyl | we just happen to sometimes like to make decisions on irc |
| 22:15.58 | tuxoverflow | if you had one contact for like bugs they could test and talk to the right person |
| 22:16.01 | mickeyl | because it's a bit quicker than mailing |
| 22:16.12 | mickeyl | yeah the problem is ... |
| 22:16.15 | tuxoverflow | yes defo irc is good |
| 22:16.18 | mickeyl | we really need devels, not testers :) |
| 22:16.34 | tuxoverflow | i wish i could devel honestly |
| 22:16.42 | tuxoverflow | i must learn quick |
| 22:16.53 | tuxoverflow | ha |
| 22:17.03 | mickeyl | developing is fun. learning is fun if you can decide what to learn. |
| 22:17.39 | tuxoverflow | im just saying better documentation would make oz better than any other rom |
| 22:18.03 | mickeyl | true that |
| 22:18.05 | agg | that's true |
| 22:18.10 | mickeyl | however it's a chicken-and-egg problem |
| 22:18.15 | tuxoverflow | say like now i want a copy of mailit with no deps because the one on the feeds doesnt work |
| 22:18.22 | tuxoverflow | were do you go |
| 22:18.35 | agg | when i first tried oz (after having used the sharp rom for a few hours) i was blown away |
| 22:18.45 | tuxoverflow | some one could sort that out |
| 22:18.57 | tuxoverflow | oz is the best defo |
| 22:19.20 | tuxoverflow | but more help would make it more desirable |
| 22:19.32 | Twiun | 22:16 < mickeyl> however it's a chicken-and-egg problem |
| 22:19.37 | tuxoverflow | the other roms have no docs at all hardly |
| 22:19.45 | tuxoverflow | i can help with this |
| 22:19.58 | Twiun | the desirability will increase with a new release as well |
| 22:20.05 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 22:20.06 | tuxoverflow | yes defo |
| 22:20.23 | mickeyl | OZ 3.3.5 will be the last release for quite a while, so that seems to be a good point to start with fresh documentation. |
| 22:20.41 | tuxoverflow | yes defo |
| 22:20.43 | Twiun | mickeyl: one gripe is ipkg barfing on some tkc packages... have tkc added that arch attribute since? |
| 22:20.45 | mickeyl | developer documentation is another totally different thing, though |
| 22:21.00 | mickeyl | Twiun: no idea. i never came around a single tkc package :) |
| 22:21.04 | tuxoverflow | right |
| 22:21.24 | Twiun | mickeyl: shame... we could poach all of tkc's TkcROM users ;) |
| 22:22.27 | mickeyl | probably. |
| 22:22.51 | mickeyl | Twiun: do you read bk changeset comments once in a while? |
| 22:22.54 | agg | well, what i missed was an oz/opie getting started doc |
| 22:23.12 | Twiun | mickeyl: only very rarely nowdays. I used to do it religiously |
| 22:23.37 | mickeyl | ok |
| 22:23.51 | mickeyl | you might want to read http://openzaurus.bkbits.net:8080/buildroot/cset@1.1382?nav=index.html|ChangeSet@-3d |
| 22:24.00 | mickeyl | especially the last part |
| 22:24.19 | mickeyl | we could have had that 2.4.18 stuff months ago |
| 22:24.24 | mickeyl | if someone cared to communicate |
| 22:26.27 | Twiun | the problem becomes one of where do we/they communicate |
| 22:26.28 | Twiun | ? |
| 22:26.47 | Twiun | most people I see come on here don't even know about the externe.net or zaurus.com boards |
| 22:27.03 | Twiun | (how they found out about the irc channel I have no idea) |
| 22:27.10 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 22:27.34 | agg | www.openzaurus.org, "Contacts" :) |
| 22:27.35 | mickeyl | too many communication channels |
| 22:27.58 | Twiun | mickeyl: true |
| 22:28.13 | mickeyl | everyone and his brother feels entitled to open a web forum |
| 22:28.13 | Twiun | are we going to announce on freshmeat when we release? |
| 22:28.14 | mickeyl | i don't get that |
| 22:28.19 | mickeyl | we should. |
| 22:28.24 | mickeyl | or look at http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?ZaurusRomTable |
| 22:28.34 | mickeyl | good :) |
| 22:28.44 | mickeyl | too many ROMs of low quality |
| 22:28.48 | mickeyl | too many one-person shows |
| 22:28.58 | tuxoverflow | another thing i noticed to - you dropped the feeds ive been told is for the new version because i was told on irc - but if you was a everday person come to download oz and clicked on a link thats dead you would think nah there web site doesnt even work - do you know what im saying |
| 22:29.08 | Twiun | Good god. I never realised there were so many out there |
| 22:29.29 | mickeyl | yep - scaring |
| 22:29.44 | Twiun | frightening, definately |
| 22:29.47 | tuxoverflow | u want people to use oz the more the better |
| 22:30.04 | tuxoverflow | im telling you how people see things |
| 22:30.06 | tuxoverflow | ha |
| 22:30.09 | Twiun | tuxoverflow: but at the moment we're unable to deal with the bug reports due to lack of developer time |
| 22:30.20 | Twiun | tuxoverflow: so when we release... Boom! |
| 22:30.24 | tuxoverflow | im trying to help |
| 22:30.46 | Twiun | I know ;) And it's really appreciated, don't think I'm criticising |
| 22:31.04 | tuxoverflow | yes ill try and help as much as i can |
| 22:31.39 | Twiun | mickeyl: that's one thing, I never realised the zauruszone site was still up |
| 22:33.22 | mickeyl | yes. like i said. too many sites |
| 22:33.25 | mickeyl | I'm also guilty |
| 22:33.27 | mickeyl | because of opie.net.wox.org |
| 22:33.31 | mickeyl | but i stopped that thing |
| 22:33.43 | mickeyl | it was because I hesitated to use oz.org for newsletters |
| 22:33.52 | Twiun | right |
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| 22:35.14 | mickeyl | but i feel all of this will get better |
| 22:35.24 | mickeyl | we now have a new package maintainer |
| 22:35.39 | mickeyl | we will have a good release to hold up for the next months |
| 22:35.55 | mickeyl | and we have a plan to improve our stuff |
| 22:35.56 | tuxoverflow | ah very good |
| 22:35.56 | mickeyl | :) |
| 22:36.44 | mickeyl | and the developers... well... they may come sooner or later... |
| 22:36.48 | agg | hmm, sorry to interrupt you guys, but i'm still looking at those /etc/apm scripts ... |
| 22:36.57 | Twiun | mickeyl: if someone volunteers to do screenshots, can we ask them to make them all on the same theme? the gallery is a mess! |
| 22:37.02 | agg | ... and i cannot find anything unusual there |
| 22:37.16 | agg | maybe this delay comes from the kernel? |
| 22:37.18 | mickeyl | Twiun: but then again, one of the points is to show that we have several themes :) |
| 22:37.39 | Twiun | mickeyl: right, so make a new category for themes ;) |
| 22:37.42 | mickeyl | agg: probably. someone would need to compile a debug kernel and watch closely what's happening |
| 22:38.02 | mickeyl | Twiun: you see, that's the small ideas noone of us can come up with. cool! |
| 22:38.51 | Twiun | I'd volunteer, but I don't think I'll be able to make the screenies before I hand the device over to the designer |
| 22:39.00 | Twiun | just not enough hours in the day |
| 22:39.11 | mickeyl | i know _exactly_ what you mean |
| 22:39.12 | mickeyl | :) |
| 22:39.59 | mickeyl | it's sad enough that noone comes up to be our Opie webmaster and actually _does_ something in that position |
| 22:40.16 | mickeyl | drw disappeard in the vaults of TI |
| 22:40.22 | mickeyl | disappeared even |
| 22:40.26 | W8TVI | lol |
| 22:43.25 | agg | ljp: there? |
| 22:43.55 | Twiun | mickeyl: well, I told treke that failing anyone else I'd give it a go - but isn't CAMCAM doing the site atm? |
| 22:44.00 | mickeyl | no |
| 22:44.04 | mickeyl | he resigned :( |
| 22:44.08 | mickeyl | after doing nearly nothing |
| 22:44.16 | mickeyl | with a number of stupid excuses |
| 22:44.31 | mickeyl | now he helps ocheong getting Opie on the yopy |
| 22:44.47 | Twiun | ok, well, the offer still stands ;) |
| 22:45.07 | Twiun | I've got some spare time at work |
| 22:45.25 | mickeyl | Twiun, that'd be just... great. actually someone I trust to do good work. |
| 22:45.47 | mickeyl | i think the problem was that all people tried to start on the base what we have at that point |
| 22:45.54 | agg | ljp: did you get around looking at the opie.us feed yet? |
| 22:45.54 | mickeyl | but if the foundation is too chaotic... |
| 22:46.02 | mickeyl | so i recommend a fresh start |
| 22:46.07 | mickeyl | but you probably have had the same idea |
| 22:46.40 | Twiun | yeah, pretty much, but I think I need to capture some requirements, do this properly ;) |
| 22:46.56 | mickeyl | of course. |
| 22:47.15 | mickeyl | as of now, I'm pretty much asleep :) |
| 22:47.21 | mickeyl | but let's get back to that |
| 22:47.34 | ljp | not yet |
| 22:47.40 | mickeyl | exactly now. |
| 22:47.41 | mickeyl | :) |
| 22:47.45 | mickeyl | what is it? |
| 22:47.54 | mickeyl | ah ok |
| 22:48.00 | mickeyl | the "not yet" wasn't meant for me |
| 22:48.01 | mickeyl | good |
| 22:48.03 | mickeyl | night all |
| 22:48.18 | tuxoverflow | night |
| 22:48.24 | agg | mickeyl: good night :) |
| 22:49.42 | agg | ljp: sorry that i bring this up again ... i did have it working once, but then after reflashing my z, i can't get back to it any more |
| 22:50.29 | Twiun | mickeyl|away: chat to you on the morrow, g'night |
| 22:50.46 | ljp | have what working? |
| 22:52.16 | agg | i mean i suddenly *had* the list despite the "Update list" hanging |
| 22:52.29 | ljp | ahh |
| 22:52.46 | agg | but when i tried again, i couldn't reproduce that :( |
| 22:52.52 | ljp | can you check something? do other feed Package lists work? |
| 22:53.17 | agg | yep, other feeds work without a hitch |
| 22:53.18 | *** join/#openzaurus enki (~enki@rdu57-34-201.nc.rr.com) |
| 22:53.54 | tuxoverflow | is this the new feeds or the normal feeds |
| 22:53.57 | Twiun | bed for me too |
| 22:54.15 | agg | Twiun: good night :) |
| 22:55.04 | agg | ljp: i can also download the Packages file with my browser, no problem there |
| 22:55.45 | ljp | I suspect there's an error in that file |
| 22:55.53 | ljp | will look into it |
| 22:57.33 | agg | if i can help with that just let me know ... if i'm away you can mail me at Dr.Graef@t-online.de |
| 22:57.52 | ljp | k. thanks |
| 23:10.17 | tuxoverflow | is there any way of getting to the testing feed - i could do with nmap and nmapfe |
| 23:10.39 | tuxoverflow | for 3.2 |
| 23:23.42 | tuxoverflow | right bed time! night |
| 23:24.21 | *** part/#openzaurus tuxoverflow (~tuxoverfl@host81-152-51-20.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) |
| 23:34.08 | jdh41 | anyone know how to get rid of this error when building oe:? |
| 23:34.14 | jdh41 | export OEDIR=/home/jdh41/zaurus/src/oe |
| 23:34.14 | jdh41 | export PATH=$PATH:$OEDIR/bin |
| 23:34.17 | jdh41 | gah |
| 23:34.20 | jdh41 | wrong bit |
| 23:34.44 | jdh41 | http://www.openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/cross-3.3.1.tar.bz2 |
| 23:34.44 | jdh41 | checking for extra flags to get ANSI library prototypes... configure: error: can not run test program while cross compiling |
| 23:34.56 | jdh41 | damn mouse not being the same as shift-ins |
| 23:36.56 | kergoth | jdh41: look at the configure.{in,ac} |
| 23:36.57 | kergoth | find that test |
| 23:37.02 | kergoth | see wht can be done to deal with it |
| 23:37.11 | jdh41 | thanks |
| 23:37.20 | kergoth | if its just a sanity check, if it out, if it isnt, see if it uses AC_CHECK_CACHE or AC_CACHE_VAL |
| 23:37.28 | kergoth | if it caches the result, you can provide it via site/arm-linux in the oe repos |
| 23:37.52 | jdh41 | possibly I jsut need to link the arm libraries into aplace its looking for them |
| 23:38.12 | jdh41 | any idea where that might be /usr/local/lib ? |
| 23:38.16 | kergoth | eh? |
| 23:38.22 | kergoth | ls tmp/staging/ |
| 23:38.45 | kergoth | the staging area exists precisely for that reason. if something needs ncurses, you build ncurses first, it puts its files into staging so your build can find it. |
| 23:39.09 | jdh41 | is there a recommended build order anywhere |
| 23:39.14 | jdh41 | I was starting with glib |
| 23:39.20 | kergoth | .. |
| 23:39.28 | kergoth | i take it you arent on the mailing lists. |
| 23:39.38 | jdh41 | clearly not |
| 23:39.39 | kergoth | which is why you're asking a question thats been answered on multiple occasions already |
| 23:39.45 | jdh41 | sorry |
| 23:39.51 | kergoth | hit the archives |
| 23:39.59 | kergoth | either read the .oe directly (DEPENDS= line) |
| 23:40.21 | kergoth | or use one of the other recommendations in the archives |
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