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| 00:12.04 | Cameron | finally |
| 00:12.17 | Cameron | easy OZ on my C700! |
| 00:12.30 | noidd | Yay! |
| 00:12.33 | noidd | nice one |
| 00:12.37 | noidd | I want a C700 |
| 00:12.40 | noidd | :-/ |
| 00:13.17 | treke|home | mithro--: Email me your most recent compat lib and I'll add that to the new feed I built for c7x0 |
| 00:13.39 | Cameron | dont be too jealous just yet...5500 is still much better-supported than the C700 |
| 00:14.36 | Cameron | is a July snapshot of Konqueror my best bet for OZ & C700? |
| 00:15.05 | treke|home | use the one in the oz feed |
| 00:15.24 | Cameron | url? |
| 00:15.29 | noidd | I think I bricked my 5500 |
| 00:15.29 | treke|home | the only thing that's really not supported well on the c7x0 is the keyboard |
| 00:15.31 | noidd | oh well |
| 00:15.39 | treke|home | Cameron: Dunno. I dont know what feed you used |
| 00:15.52 | treke|home | noidd: shouldnt be able to :p |
| 00:16.14 | noidd | I know |
| 00:16.21 | noidd | My flash failed to boot |
| 00:16.25 | noidd | wont power on |
| 00:16.28 | treke|home | hmmm. |
| 00:16.29 | noidd | i'm being overly dramatic |
| 00:16.31 | noidd | :-) |
| 00:16.38 | treke|home | the c7x0 has something like three ways to reflash :p |
| 00:16.39 | Cameron | I just used the Corgi imgs made this morning! |
| 00:18.01 | treke|home | Cameron: if it's on openzaurus.org build it should have a feed attached to it |
| 00:21.09 | noidd | I am getting obsessive about my "Jerry Springer the Opera" original cast CD |
| 00:21.24 | Pendalar | I don't have my zaurus on me, OZ runs at init 2 for normal setup right? |
| 00:22.11 | noidd | I'll let you know when I unbrick my Z if no-one else replies before then :-/ |
| 00:22.32 | Pendalar | heh |
| 00:28.11 | noidd | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000D9PRR/qid=1069547177/sr=8-4/ref=sr_8_4/104-0324444-2568758?v=glance&s=music&n=507846 |
| 00:29.15 | Cameron | treke, it has a feed, but no konqueror |
| 00:30.13 | Cameron | I may have to figure out how to get Opera working on here too if thats possible? |
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| 01:02.28 | Telpochyaotl | just upgraded to oz 3.3.5 rc1 and oppie wont start. does it require the rom too? |
| 01:02.58 | mickey|tv | rom ? |
| 01:03.11 | mickeyl | you did flash both the kernel and initrd ? |
| 01:03.39 | Telpochyaotl | or the kernel? |
| 01:03.55 | mickeyl | of course you need both files |
| 01:04.01 | mickeyl | you can't flash only initrd or kernel |
| 01:04.08 | mickeyl | you can, but you'll get garbage |
| 01:04.10 | mickeyl | :D |
| 01:04.30 | mickeyl | (especially when upgrading from an older release) |
| 01:04.30 | noidd | garbage == brick |
| 01:04.32 | noidd | :-) |
| 01:04.35 | Telpochyaotl | i saw some rom images with newer kernel in the unstable dir, or so i thought |
| 01:04.36 | mickeyl | not necessarily |
| 01:04.42 | Pendalar | mickeyl yer a smart guy.. happen to know why Jeffrey Fox made zgcc2 and in the specification said do 'source' on these two scripts? |
| 01:04.53 | mickeyl | ah no idea, sorry. |
| 01:04.58 | mickeyl | never used zgcc anyway |
| 01:05.05 | mickeyl | I'm a cross compiler :D |
| 01:05.20 | noidd | you don't compile natively ? |
| 01:05.22 | noidd | shame on you :-P |
| 01:05.24 | kergoth | Pendalar: to alter your environment. running a script doesnt affect the current shell, only the new one. source pulls it into the current one. |
| 01:05.29 | mickeyl | Pendalar: however, he meant " . <script>" when he said source |
| 01:05.32 | Pendalar | http://community.zaurus.com/download.php/492/zgcc2install.html |
| 01:05.47 | Pendalar | well he said source =-/ bastard |
| 01:05.56 | Pendalar | heh but it's cool none the less |
| 01:05.58 | kergoth | source is valid, just not on the Z |
| 01:06.15 | Pendalar | yeah.. kept thinking I messed up something in OZ and it did have source |
| 01:06.29 | Pendalar | I do keep trying these test images and all =-x |
| 01:06.36 | kergoth | its a shell builtin, not a command |
| 01:06.48 | kergoth | arg |
| 01:06.48 | kergoth | checking whether the C compiler ( /home/kergoth/coding/projects/user/oe-metadata/tc/tmp/base/gcc-cross-3.3.2-r0/gcc-3.3.2/build. |
| 01:06.51 | kergoth | arm-linux.arm-linux/gcc/xgcc -B/home/kergoth/coding/projects/user/oe-metadata/tc/tmp/base/gcc-cross-3.3.2-r0/gcc-3.3.2/build.arm |
| 01:06.55 | kergoth | -linux.arm-linux/gcc/ -B/home/kergoth/coding/projects/user/oe-metadata/tc/tmp/staging/cross/arm-linux/bin/ -B/home/kergoth/codin |
| 01:06.58 | kergoth | g/projects/user/oe-metadata/tc/tmp/staging/cross/arm-linux/lib/ -isystem /home/kergoth/coding/projects/user/oe-metadata/tc/tmp/s |
| 01:07.01 | kergoth | taging/cross/arm-linux/include -g -Os ) works... no |
| 01:07.01 | Pendalar | right but I believe I can manage to break just about anything |
| 01:07.03 | kergoth | configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables. |
| 01:07.06 | kergoth | :\ |
| 01:07.14 | Telpochyaotl | or why wont't opie start after upgrade from stable to rc1? |
| 01:07.16 | Pendalar | keep trying, you are my hero |
| 01:07.51 | kergoth | /home/kergoth/coding/projects/user/oe-metadata/tc/tmp/staging/cross/arm-linux/bin/ld: warning: ld-linux.so.2, needed by /home/ke |
| 01:07.54 | kergoth | rgoth/coding/projects/user/oe-metadata/tc/tmp/staging/cross/arm-linux/lib/libc.so.6, not found (try using -rpath or -rpath-link) |
| 01:07.57 | kergoth | ah |
| 01:08.04 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.14 | kergoth | wonder if i need to alter 'libdir' in the binutils build to /lib |
| 01:08.20 | Pendalar | =-) |
| 01:08.39 | mickeyl | Telpochyaotl: i bet you forgot to rename the kernel image |
| 01:09.19 | noidd | oe build has a wierdness for me cos my machine is wierd |
| 01:09.34 | kergoth | ? |
| 01:09.52 | noidd | my arch is i686-pc-linux-gnu, whereas joining uname -? and uname -m gives me i686-linux |
| 01:10.10 | noidd | so I had to change that conf file - no biggie |
| 01:11.22 | kergoth | ah. just need to override BUILD_SYS |
| 01:11.31 | kergoth | and if you're building native, TARGET_SYS and HOST_SYS as well |
| 01:11.32 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:11.36 | Telpochyaotl | is unstable rc1 in a usable state? |
| 01:12.02 | kergoth | no, we released a pointless unusable release candidate just to annoy you. |
| 01:12.16 | noidd | hehehe |
| 01:12.22 | kergoth | ask a stupid question... |
| 01:12.53 | noidd | I wonder if there are archives of irc channels on the web |
| 01:13.06 | Telpochyaotl | well, i wondered since i found it, but didn't see it anounced. |
| 01:13.10 | noidd | time to create a fortune file of kergoth retorts |
| 01:13.55 | Pendalar | would be one pessimestic file off which many people would give up hope and blow their brains out |
| 01:13.58 | mickeyl | i see no need to announce release candidates for unstable releases. if 3.3.5 comes out final (next week), we'll announce. |
| 01:14.24 | noidd | Where are the release candidates? |
| 01:14.26 | Pendalar | 3.3.5 would be nice with the apmd problem gone |
| 01:14.28 | noidd | images that is |
| 01:14.33 | mickeyl | noidd: testing |
| 01:14.44 | mickeyl | official/testing |
| 01:14.53 | *** topic/#openzaurus by mickeyl -> OpenZaurus user discussion channel | developer discussion in #openembedded | http://openzaurus.org/ | Please, read the FAQs and search the mailing list archives before bothering the developers. | OZ-3.3.5 RC1 available (see official/testing) | Don't ask to ask, just ask. |
| 01:14.54 | *** topic/#openzaurus by ChanServ -> OpenZaurus user discussion channel | developer discussion in #openembedded | http://openzaurus.org/ | Please, read the FAQs and search the mailing list archives before bothering the developers. | OZ-3.3.5 RC1 available (see testing) | Don't ask to ask, just ask. |
| 01:15.07 | noidd | ibot, testing? |
| 01:15.10 | | from memory, testing is done - but yes, further excursions will take place elsewhere |
| 01:15.12 | Telpochyaotl | Any clues then as to how i can get it to work? The upgrade geve just 1 error when moving the status file for ipkkg |
| 01:15.16 | *** topic/#openzaurus by mickeyl -> OpenZaurus user discussion channel | developer discussion in #openembedded | http://openzaurus.org/ | Please, read the FAQs and search the mailing list archives before bothering the developers. | OZ-3.3.5 RC1 available (see official/testing) | Don't ask to ask, just ask. |
| 01:17.57 | noidd | bingo, flashing |
| 01:18.03 | mickeyl | Telpochyaotl: that's an ipkg bug - cosmetic - it works |
| 01:18.32 | noidd | wonder if my packages have made it into the feed for the rc |
| 01:18.43 | mickeyl | what packages? |
| 01:18.57 | mickeyl | i only built an opie feed ... took me long enough |
| 01:19.02 | mickeyl | and kernels for all models... |
| 01:19.19 | Pendalar | you guys have any luck with the apmd bug or is it a back burner thing? |
| 01:19.20 | noidd | perl-* |
| 01:19.29 | mickeyl | Pendalar: apmd doing what? |
| 01:19.34 | mickeyl | noidd: are they in buildroot? |
| 01:19.38 | noidd | yes |
| 01:19.47 | mickeyl | noidd: then someone should build them and upload them |
| 01:19.59 | Pendalar | it suspends file, on resume it loses touchscreen, on second suspend it turns off light and stops |
| 01:20.04 | Pendalar | s/file/fine |
| 01:20.05 | noidd | ok, i'll send you up release for 5.8.2 |
| 01:20.10 | mickeyl | Pendalar: did you read README.FIRST ? |
| 01:20.18 | noidd | i'm autobuilding bleadperl on a daily basis |
| 01:20.24 | Pendalar | don't believe there was a readme.first when I grabbed it |
| 01:20.28 | Pendalar | it was a bit hot ;-) |
| 01:21.08 | Pendalar | ah I don't see that at offical/experimental/collie |
| 01:21.14 | Pendalar | which is where I grabbed it |
| 01:21.19 | mickeyl | experimental? |
| 01:21.21 | mickeyl | nonono |
| 01:21.24 | mickeyl | testing |
| 01:21.51 | mickeyl | no idea what you flashed... probably our 2.4.21 hehe... this is not really usable yet |
| 01:22.02 | Pendalar | 3.3.5 RC 1 |
| 01:22.10 | noidd | i'm loooking forward to 2.6 |
| 01:22.12 | mickeyl | that's not in experimental/collie. |
| 01:22.36 | mickeyl | noidd: we all do. it's great |
| 01:22.39 | Pendalar | oh |
| 01:22.45 | mickeyl | noidd: makes a difference |
| 01:22.51 | noidd | but it's a bitch of a build under x86 native, cross-compile on a wierd platform is going to be a stress for the devs i'm sure |
| 01:22.56 | mickeyl | noidd: the framebuffer is faster! |
| 01:23.02 | kergoth | noidd: ? |
| 01:23.02 | noidd | oh cool |
| 01:23.06 | Pendalar | it's plenty usable, just apmd is horrid ;-) |
| 01:23.15 | kergoth | kernel builds are a breeze whether native or cross, 2.4 or 2.6 |
| 01:24.09 | alobodig | What does the "replace battery" switch do, exactly? |
| 01:24.17 | mickeyl | sends a signal |
| 01:24.20 | mickeyl | to the kernel |
| 01:24.24 | mickeyl | and if you want, you can react |
| 01:24.30 | alobodig | Okay, that makes sense. |
| 01:26.13 | noidd | i'm having issues with the kernel module loading |
| 01:26.27 | noidd | but thats upgarding from a 2.4 machine |
| 01:26.33 | noidd | with a new build its probably easier |
| 01:28.48 | noidd | just got messy with paths to multiple different copies of lsmod, modprobe etc |
| 01:29.09 | kergoth | um? most distros handle it all automatically. |
| 01:29.10 | noidd | some init scripts containing full paths, others just containing the command name |
| 01:29.26 | noidd | its 2.6 test9 |
| 01:29.32 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:29.36 | mickeyl | g'night |
| 01:29.38 | kergoth | thats true for all the scripts |
| 01:29.46 | noidd | later mickeyl |
| 01:29.54 | noidd | yeah, |
| 01:42.16 | noidd | I just sent you an email kergoth |
| 01:42.22 | noidd | I wish it was more exciting, sorry :-/ |
| 01:42.25 | noidd | (rsa key) |
| 01:48.51 | Pendalar | guess I'll put in the testing image but the unstable image was interesting |
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| 01:53.02 | Pendalar | but really if that /testing/ readme fixes the resume issue I have on /unstable/ I might shoulda just stuck with it |
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| 03:36.50 | Cameron | anyone else using OZ-3.3.5-Rc1? |
| 03:37.48 | tanq_ | not yet... |
| 03:37.50 | tanq_ | why? |
| 03:38.01 | Cameron | trying to install packages with ipkg, I get this annoying error |
| 03:38.16 | Cameron | file_move: ERROR: failed to rename /usr/lib/ipkg/status.tmp to /usr/lib/ipkg/status: No such file or directory |
| 03:38.35 | Cameron | what a stupid thing... |
| 03:38.48 | Cameron | the program shouldn't die because of that |
| 03:39.10 | Cameron | but that's the way it's been with every program I |
| 03:39.16 | Cameron | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:39.25 | Cameron | any ideas? |
| 03:41.11 | lpotter | from commandline or aqpkg? |
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| 03:43.18 | Cameron | lpotter: command line |
| 03:43.34 | Cameron | aqpkg doesen't start -- that's the other problem: |
| 03:43.48 | Cameron | # aqpkg |
| 03:43.48 | Cameron | QuickLauncher invoked as: aqpkg |
| 03:43.48 | Cameron | Could not create application main window |
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| 03:44.00 | Cameron | a vague error message from aqpkg, eh, lpotter? |
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| 04:12.00 | Umaro | ok, got a small problem |
| 04:12.24 | Umaro | my z runs ok on 3.2, but i want to reflash |
| 04:13.14 | Umaro | but when i try (5500, cf w/ vfat) it justs sits there and blinks |
| 04:14.33 | Umaro | also, how do i download 3.3.5? do i have to buildroot my own, or does OZ provide a zimage/initrd.bin for it? |
| 04:16.57 | Cameron | hmm |
| 04:17.07 | Cameron | what's the 5500 codename? |
| 04:17.11 | Cameron | it's not collie, is it? |
| 04:17.14 | Umaro | collie |
| 04:17.24 | Cameron | ok |
| 04:17.32 | Cameron | well, they do provide images, I believe |
| 04:17.43 | Cameron | check openzaurus.org/official/unstable/ ... |
| 04:17.48 | Umaro | ok |
| 04:18.34 | Umaro | unstable, or testing? |
| 04:18.53 | Cameron | it's the same I think |
| 04:18.55 | Cameron | must be a symlink |
| 04:19.04 | Umaro | ok |
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| 08:15.31 | Umaro | Hmm.. Ok, so does anyone have any suggestions for me? my Z won't flash, whenever I try (using all the docs on openzaurus.org) it just flashes like the zImage and initrd.bin aren't in / on the cf card, but they are. the cf card is vfat, etc. |
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| 08:47.05 | torment | umaro: make sure the partition type is FAT16 (type 6 in fdisk) |
| 08:47.58 | torment | run mkfs.dosfs -F 16 /dev/sda1 or whatever |
| 08:48.20 | lpotter | hda1 for cf |
| 08:48.35 | torment | it depends on what type of reader you have |
| 08:49.15 | torment | hda1 on the zaurus right |
| 08:51.22 | lpotter | yup |
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| 11:04.10 | Umaro | ok guys, really sorry to bug you here, but i'm still trying to reflash my zaurus 5500. I'm using the 3.2 zImage and initrd.bin from openzaurus.org, my cf card is a vfat formatted 16meg cf card, and yet when I flash, the lights just blink. What could I be doing wrong? |
| 11:04.59 | torment | did you do the things i said? |
| 11:05.19 | torment | oh you logged out |
| 11:05.20 | torment | here |
| 11:05.21 | Umaro | sorry, I must have left before I saw them, earlier |
| 11:05.34 | torment | <torment> umaro: make sure the partition type is FAT16 (type 6 in fdisk) |
| 11:05.34 | torment | <torment> run mkfs.dosfs -F 16 /dev/sda1 or whatever |
| 11:05.48 | TheMasterMind1 | Umaro: did you rename the files? |
| 11:05.58 | TheMasterMind1 | windows hides extensions, so it might be trying to screw you over |
| 11:06.05 | Umaro | well, the zImage-blah to zImage |
| 11:06.10 | Umaro | I'm doing this on a linux box |
| 11:06.24 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 11:06.33 | TheMasterMind1 | "zImage" and "initrd.bin" are the files you need |
| 11:07.03 | Umaro | yeah, got 'em both |
| 11:07.08 | Umaro | they are named exactly like that |
| 11:07.41 | Umaro | torment: doing this on my Z, so mkfs.msdos will do, yes? |
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| 11:08.19 | torment | i dont have mkfs.dosfs on my z |
| 11:08.52 | torment | Umaro: oops yeah i hope |
| 11:08.59 | Umaro | on 3.2? |
| 11:08.59 | Umaro | oh |
| 11:08.59 | Umaro | nm |
| 11:09.14 | maxik | use mkfs.msdos |
| 11:09.14 | torment | my typo |
| 11:10.08 | torment | and it will be /dev/hda1 on the Z |
| 11:10.13 | Umaro | ok, tried that, recopied the files, same blinking lights |
| 11:11.11 | torment | plugged into AC right |
| 11:11.44 | Umaro | yep |
| 11:11.54 | Umaro | battery's full anyway, but yeah |
| 11:12.16 | torment | wont flash on battery from my experience |
| 11:12.41 | Umaro | hmm |
| 11:12.50 | Umaro | odd, i'll mess with it tommorow |
| 11:12.51 | Umaro | nn |
| 11:13.14 | torment | i'd delete the partition and recreate it |
| 11:13.30 | torment | fine then |
| 11:13.32 | torment | :-P |
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| 12:43.08 | heatxsink | hello all....when i'm compling "buildroot-oz" I don't necessarily need to build libxine do I? |
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| 12:52.05 | heatxsink | anyone? |
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| 14:10.33 | heatxsink | anyone? |
| 14:10.38 | heatxsink | anyone awake? |
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| 14:27.16 | enki | anyone here flashed oz 3.3.5 successfully on the 760 yet? |
| 14:29.55 | enki | brb |
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| 15:06.06 | Cameron | I'm having a problem with Corgi/OZ-3.3.5-RC1 and ipkg. I keep getting this error whenever attempting to install (or remove) packages. It seems like I can never fully install apps because of this problem: |
| 15:06.29 | Cameron | file_move: ERROR: failed to rename /usr/lib/ipkg/status.tmp to /usr/lib/ipkg/status: No such file or directory |
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| 15:09.57 | Cameron | hello, XavierXeon |
| 15:10.40 | XavierXeon | hi |
| 15:12.04 | enki | hmm...i flashed my 760 with the oz 3.3.5 husky initrd.bin zimage.bin and updater.sh .. and when it starts up...it just shows a black screen with the openzaurus logo on the top and a period with a blinking cursor, but is stuck there |
| 15:12.25 | enki | did it flash wrong? when i flashed it, it said the kernel and fs image were flashed successfully... |
| 15:12.34 | Cameron | enki: It takes a while to boot up |
| 15:12.40 | Cameron | maybe you're just not waiting long enough? |
| 15:12.51 | XavierXeon | it should then start configuring installed packages |
| 15:12.52 | Cameron | or has it gone on for more than -- say -- 5 minutes? |
| 15:13.05 | enki | well i let it run until the cursor froze the first time...and now im letting it go again |
| 15:13.09 | enki | and yeah its ran over 5 mins |
| 15:13.19 | enki | its just there at the blinking cursor, nothing happening... |
| 15:13.19 | Cameron | ah, you're right, XavierXeon. my mistake, enki |
| 15:13.41 | enki | its not sying anything about that... just the blinking cursor |
| 15:16.29 | enki | and ive tried flashing it multiple times...hmmmm, real bummer |
| 15:16.37 | enki | guess ill try out that cacko-x11 rom |
| 15:16.40 | Cameron | yeah... |
| 15:16.53 | Cameron | same thing for a while with the C700 ROMS for me |
| 15:16.57 | Cameron | it is really annoying |
| 15:17.28 | Cameron | Anyone know what package provides libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 |
| 15:17.29 | Cameron | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:25.43 | Twiun | Cameron: tried looking on ipkg.handhelds.org? |
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| 15:26.04 | Cameron | nope |
| 15:26.06 | Twiun | Cameron: and if it's for opieplayer2, it's a known problem with the package. It doesn't really need libstdc++ |
| 15:26.12 | Cameron | thanks for the suggestion. Twiun |
| 15:26.17 | Cameron | ahh, ok, that is exactly it |
| 15:26.22 | Cameron | so I just to -nodeps? |
| 15:26.30 | Twiun | give it a try ;) |
| 15:26.35 | Cameron | k :) |
| 15:26.39 | Twiun | you can always uninstall if it doesn't work |
| 15:26.54 | Cameron | right :) one other prob is that my aqpkg has never worked |
| 15:27.26 | Cameron | /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/aqpkg |
| 15:27.26 | Cameron | QuickLauncher invoked as: aqpkg |
| 15:27.26 | Cameron | Could not create application main window |
| 15:27.33 | Cameron | nondescript error hehe |
| 15:28.01 | Cameron | cannot resolv ipkg.handhelds.org |
| 15:28.20 | Cameron | Twiun: you sure that's the right site? |
| 15:31.42 | Cameron | Twiun: same error with opieplayer2: QuickLauncher invoked as: opieplayer2 |
| 15:31.42 | Cameron | Could not create application main window |
| 15:31.53 | Twiun | one sec |
| 15:31.56 | Cameron | k |
| 16:09.47 | Cameron | yes, Twiun? |
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| 16:12.04 | Twiun | still on the phone :( |
| 16:16.13 | aw | To be able to use 3.3.5-rc1 does one need to reflash with te zImages for 2.4.18? Sould one do it? |
| 16:27.44 | aw | ? :'( |
| 16:39.58 | mickeyl | yes of course |
| 16:40.12 | mickeyl | the kernel is one of the major improvements of oz 3.3.5 |
| 16:47.27 | Twiun | Cameron: not too sure about that bit - mickeyl's probably a better person to ask |
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| 17:01.26 | aw | mickeyl|bbl: Thanks... Do you know if soon they'll add support for dsp/buzzer and fix the minor bugs mentioned in the README.FIRST? |
| 17:05.21 | mickeyl | aw: the first two things (usbd-common and sharp_buz device node) will be fixed for the final, the last two things (better battery reporting and dsp buzzer support) won't make it into 3.3.5 |
| 17:06.02 | aw | i see... |
| 17:06.22 | aw | Still i guess I have no choise becouse the unstable feed for 3.2 is no where to be found... |
| 17:07.54 | enki | mickeyl, do you know much about oz 3.3.5-rc1 issues w/ the c760? |
| 17:08.06 | mickeyl | no |
| 17:08.14 | enki | bummer |
| 17:08.25 | mickeyl | i can't test it |
| 17:08.38 | enki | ive gottten them to flash succesfully...but it reboots and just sits there, w/ the oz logo on the top and a blinking cursor |
| 17:08.51 | enki | someone had said it was supposed to go on to configuring the packages, but it doesnt, just sits and blinks |
| 17:08.53 | mickeyl | sucky |
| 17:08.57 | enki | yeah tell about it |
| 17:09.05 | mickeyl | sure you renamed the kernel properly? |
| 17:09.10 | enki | zImage.bin |
| 17:09.36 | mickeyl | zimage.bin, not zImage.bin - no idea if that makes a difference though |
| 17:09.49 | enki | i just upper and lower case i ... in the flash dialog, itll show the kernel being flashed in both cases |
| 17:10.15 | enki | same thing happens either way...i noticed cacko rom does zImage.bin, so i tried that this last time...hmm |
| 17:10.47 | mickeyl | try using the zimage.bin from oz.org/unofficial/experimental/husky |
| 17:10.51 | mickeyl | maybe that works better |
| 17:10.51 | aw | copying to SD seems slow (but I have no reference), I've read something in the faq about sync, but i see no sync in fstab, was that removed in oz 3.2? |
| 17:11.09 | mickeyl | i think so |
| 17:11.22 | aw | ok, so i should be normal there then. |
| 17:11.49 | enki | i dont think i could use that kernel to any effect, it lacks cf card and usb networking support, both of which i use |
| 17:12.01 | enki | ive actually flashed that kernel in the past, but its mostly useless for me :/ |
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| 17:15.48 | mickeyl | ? |
| 17:15.57 | mickeyl | we are using modular kernels |
| 17:16.02 | mickeyl | the modules are in the initrd.bin |
| 17:16.08 | enki | oh |
| 17:16.16 | enki | neat! ill be sure to try that then |
| 17:17.18 | aw | is there a list of new features in rc1? |
| 17:19.23 | mickeyl | not really |
| 17:19.29 | mickeyl | opie 1.0.3 |
| 17:19.36 | mickeyl | and a bunch of updated core packages |
| 17:20.19 | aw | k. thanks! |
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| 17:39.13 | enki | hmmm |
| 17:39.42 | enki | mickeyl, the unoffical/experimental rom didnt work...i actually ended up using the cacko-x11 rom |
| 17:39.55 | enki | its configuring the packages...lets see what happens |
| 17:41.31 | mickeyl | you mean just the kernel, i hope? |
| 17:41.36 | enki | mickeyl, yes |
| 17:41.38 | mickeyl | ah ok |
| 17:41.43 | enki | working well enough thus far |
| 17:41.51 | mickeyl | well if its configuring, then it's better than before |
| 17:41.56 | enki | what device does oz usually associate with the cf card? |
| 17:42.02 | enki | no ive got a prompt |
| 17:42.20 | enki | no /dev/sda ... |
| 17:42.22 | mickeyl | pester treke to compile a working kernel for husky |
| 17:42.27 | mickeyl | cf is /mnt/cf |
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| 18:12.50 | jaiotu | Hi. I'm running OZ 3.2, and run logged on as root. Are there any issues with running under a different account? |
| 18:16.14 | Zaurino | i need a cheap sd card 512 mb |
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| 18:17.09 | jaiotu | Zaurino - Check tigerdirect.com, i've seen them there at good prices |
| 18:18.02 | jaiotu | anyone know if opie-mail supports pop3 yet? |
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| 18:25.41 | kathleen | mail-it would appear to have pop support tho i haven't tried it yet |
| 18:29.26 | Zaurino | best prices are always at ebay |
| 18:33.24 | jaiotu | I'm not familiar with mail-it, know where i can find it? |
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| 18:34.57 | kathleen | it's in the stable feed |
| 18:35.19 | kathleen | or was included with 3.3.5 can't remmeber which |
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| 19:06.38 | aw | should copying like 30 megs to an SD take around 20 minutes? |
| 19:06.43 | mickeyl | yes |
| 19:06.50 | mickeyl | on the 5500 definitly longer |
| 19:06.58 | aw | ok |
| 19:07.03 | aw | it's a 5000d |
| 19:07.08 | mickeyl | ok |
| 19:07.09 | mickeyl | normal then |
| 19:07.29 | aw | ok, thanks, i was worring... nothine one can do to speed up right? |
| 19:07.33 | pyromance | Cruddy driver code? |
| 19:07.35 | mickeyl | no |
| 19:07.37 | mickeyl | hardware |
| 19:07.40 | mickeyl | sharp saved a few bucks |
| 19:07.44 | W8TVI | mickeyl, thats why I wish my usb card reader worked with linux |
| 19:07.46 | pyromance | Heh |
| 19:07.50 | mickeyl | in using only one or two pins |
| 19:07.55 | W8TVI | other than just hte CF |
| 19:08.10 | pyromance | Heh |
| 19:08.19 | pyromance | Actually I could use a SD to CF adapter |
| 19:08.27 | mickeyl | pyromance: well... you're right, it's probably _also_ cruddy driver code... when it's written by Lineo :D |
| 19:08.37 | mickeyl | s/when/if |
| 19:08.39 | pyromance | 'cause I have a couple devices that use SD 'cept my Zaurus' SD card never leaves it's slot. |
| 19:08.50 | pyromance | hehehe |
| 19:09.20 | pyromance | mickeyl: Yeah... I am FTP'ing mp3s over to my Zaurus now. It's taking it's sweet time. |
| 19:09.32 | pyromance | The transfer is faster than the write, I swear. |
| 19:11.24 | W8TVI | pyromance, I just put my mp3s on the CF card |
| 19:12.25 | pyromance | W8TVI: I have a 340 Microdrive for extra MP3s, but I like to wardrive and listen to music at the same time |
| 19:12.34 | pyromance | That's why I got a 256 SD card in the first place ;) |
| 19:12.54 | W8TVI | lol |
| 19:13.05 | pyromance | Couldn't afford the 512 |
| 19:13.21 | pyromance | And they promised us a 2G SD card this year. Yeah right. We don't even have 1G yet, do we? |
| 19:17.28 | aw | i just flashd rc-1 but forgot to deinstall usbd-common the first time i bootted... It's ok if i do it now right? |
| 19:19.50 | aw | thanks to all for the help. htgn |
| 19:20.01 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 19:20.02 | enki | where is the debian arm feed at? |
| 19:20.30 | torment | aw: I believe so -- it just keeps it from suspending properly until its removed |
| 19:21.38 | torment | pyromance: have you managed getting a gps connected to your Z? |
| 19:28.56 | pyromance | Hmm. |
| 19:33.45 | pyromance | Anyone notice the LCD dimming while writing to the SD card? Or did I just put mine together funky? |
| 19:36.00 | kathleen | haven't noticed it here |
| 19:36.03 | torment | haven't seen it |
| 19:36.11 | kathleen | but i run off ac alot |
| 19:38.50 | pyromance | Actually it seems to happen when I am running off AC |
| 19:38.55 | pyromance | But this Z is hacked together anyway |
| 19:38.57 | pyromance | So who knows? |
| 19:39.30 | kathleen | mines pretty much stock, tho it is a refurb unit, but haven't noticed it on either of my 5500's |
| 19:39.50 | pyromance | Well I replaced the main board of this one with a used board |
| 19:40.00 | pyromance | so who knows the condition of any of it's parts? ;) |
| 19:40.41 | kathleen | yeah always hard to tell with frankenstein machines |
| 19:40.58 | pyromance | It's not effecting the functionality of it. |
| 19:41.04 | pyromance | The only other time I have problems is on soft reboots |
| 19:41.09 | pyromance | Sometimes it doesn't come back |
| 19:41.30 | W8TVI | my 5500 is parts from two zaurus |
| 19:41.44 | torment | zaurii ? |
| 19:41.50 | pyromance | I think it's Zaurii |
| 19:42.01 | torment | :-D |
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| 19:46.49 | pyromance | oHmm |
| 19:46.58 | pyromance | What kind of meat can I have that requires no chewing? |
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| 19:48.34 | torment | you can get beef lamb and all sorts of goodies in the baby food aisle |
| 19:49.35 | pyromance | Baby food? |
| 19:49.36 | pyromance | Eww |
| 19:50.04 | pyromance | I am thinking taco meat without a taco shell or something |
| 19:50.07 | torment | its just meat thats gone through the blender |
| 19:50.43 | torment | mmm ground beef |
| 19:50.52 | pyromance | Eh.. it doesn't have the flavor or spice that my adult pallete prefers |
| 19:51.37 | pyromance | Five teeth yanked on Friday. Minor inconvenience = sore jaw. Major inconvenience = Nicotine withdrawl |
| 19:52.55 | torment | ah get the patch |
| 19:53.26 | pyromance | Screw the patch ;) hehe It's the action of smoking mostly. |
| 19:53.59 | torment | smoked for 9 years / 2 months on the patch and i was able to quit |
| 19:55.25 | torment | did they at least give you some good pain meds? |
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| 19:56.36 | pyromance | Hydrocodone ;) |
| 19:57.18 | torment | well one of those should knock ya out right ? :) |
| 19:57.34 | pyromance | They do, but I have to be at work at midnight. |
| 19:57.45 | pyromance | Crap.. .that's just 11 hours away. Hope my healing hurries the hell up |
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| 20:08.35 | Umaro | kergoth: are you here? |
| 20:13.14 | Umaro | chouimat: could you help me try to figure out why my Z won't reflash? |
| 20:13.34 | torment | i think you should delete the partition on the CF card and recreate it |
| 20:13.40 | Umaro | I did that |
| 20:14.26 | torment | hmm what else did you do |
| 20:15.00 | Umaro | checked the md5 sums of the files, tried it a billion and a half times.. |
| 20:15.06 | Umaro | I don't know. what else should I do? :) |
| 20:15.25 | chouimat | Umaro: fat partition? |
| 20:15.51 | torment | it shows FAT16 in fdisk (type 6)? |
| 20:16.49 | Umaro | the Z doesn't let me go into fdisk |
| 20:16.55 | Umaro | gives me a bus error on /dev/hda |
| 20:16.58 | treke|home | we know |
| 20:17.06 | treke|home | read the mailing list archives for the solution |
| 20:17.18 | torment | do you have a card writer? |
| 20:17.18 | chouimat | treke|home: hey treke|home |
| 20:17.25 | treke|home | hey chouimat |
| 20:17.32 | Umaro | torment: no. |
| 20:17.40 | Umaro | ml archives.. gotcha. |
| 20:18.31 | Umaro | where are those, again? I don't see a link that looks like it would go there, from the main page |
| 20:19.11 | Umaro | ah ha! found it. |
| 20:19.47 | Umaro | telling me to RTF* is fine, so long as the answers are actually there. |
| 20:26.01 | Umaro | woah wait, you can flash zImage and initrd.bin independantly? |
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| 20:35.37 | Umaro | gotcha, new fdisk |
| 20:38.48 | torment | tricky tricky! |
| 20:39.09 | Umaro | this won't actually help me if my cf's partition table is fine, though. :/ |
| 20:39.53 | torment | but it's not |
| 20:40.20 | Umaro | hehe. ok. |
| 20:40.25 | torment | yeah |
| 20:40.30 | torment | gotta have the right attitude |
| 20:40.38 | torment | this is gonna fix it all |
| 20:40.56 | Umaro | say then, anyone know where I can get a fdisk binary? I tried grabbing a debian arm fdisk binary, but it doesn't quite work. |
| 20:40.59 | Umaro | "it won't work." "not with THAT attitude", eh? |
| 20:42.59 | Umaro | oic, zaurus software index |
| 20:44.21 | Umaro | omg |
| 20:44.31 | Umaro | FAT12 |
| 20:44.54 | Umaro | ;) |
| 20:45.00 | torment | uhhuh |
| 20:45.09 | torment | thats what my digicam formats my cf's to |
| 20:45.27 | Umaro | odd. last time I used this CF card, it was to reflash my Z. |
| 20:47.03 | Umaro | ok, fixed the partition type, recopied the files, still blinking |
| 20:47.48 | Umaro | maybe I should reformat |
| 20:48.01 | torment | yes |
| 20:48.02 | torment | you should |
| 20:49.13 | Umaro | mkfs.vfat or mkfs.msdos? |
| 20:49.28 | torment | mkfs.msdos -F 16 /dev/hda1 |
| 20:50.08 | Umaro | oic |
| 20:50.37 | *** join/#openzaurus Dessimat0r (Dessimat0r@public1-birk1-3-cust192.manc.broadband.ntl.com) |
| 20:51.05 | Dessimat0r | w00t! A new OZ |
| 20:51.05 | Dessimat0r | thank you :D |
| 20:51.05 | Umaro | anyone tried the GPS card listed on myzaurus.com with OZ? |
| 20:51.14 | torment | 3.3.5rc1 is the goodz |
| 20:51.16 | Dessimat0r | I have been waiting patiently, hehe ;) |
| 20:51.48 | Umaro | still blinking. :( |
| 20:52.16 | Umaro | kergoth was talking on the ML about flashing the initrd.bin and zImage seperately.. that works? |
| 20:53.12 | torment | i dunno man getchu a card writer |
| 20:53.31 | Dessimat0r | is this now the age of weekly releases, once again? :D |
| 20:53.48 | Dessimat0r | those were the good old days, hehe |
| 20:54.44 | Cameron | What web browser are you guys using on 3.3.5rc1? |
| 20:54.54 | kathleen | 3.3.5 is looking pretty good here |
| 20:55.04 | torment | i think it comes with a new version of konqeror |
| 20:55.08 | Cameron | kathleen: I agree. It's the best Oz of any I've tried |
| 20:55.21 | Cameron | torment: nope. no konqueror ipk, and not included by default |
| 20:55.33 | Cameron | kathleen: have you tried installing ipks yet? |
| 20:55.38 | lpotter | ko nqe isnt really part of opie |
| 20:55.44 | Dessimat0r | kathleen, from Slashdot? |
| 20:55.53 | kathleen | yep, installed a bunch of stuff frpom /stable no problems |
| 20:55.55 | torment | hmm ok -- well i guess it works better then i thought it did |
| 20:56.11 | kathleen | konquerer runs fine on it |
| 20:56.16 | Cameron | kathleen: no errors, eh?hmm... |
| 20:56.38 | Cameron | yes, I have konqueror on it too from a different feed, but I always get an error when installing new packages |
| 20:56.44 | kathleen | wellenreiter seems tpo be broken but thats all i;ve found so far |
| 20:56.52 | Cameron | what's wellenreiter? |
| 20:57.05 | kathleen | wifi sniifer |
| 20:57.08 | lpotter | 'wave rider' sniffer |
| 20:57.08 | Cameron | ahh |
| 20:57.12 | Cameron | :) |
| 20:57.22 | Cameron | I tried kismet, but it seems that I'd have to patch my orinoco driver |
| 20:57.45 | Cameron | Konqueror's kind of slow to render some webpages though... |
| 20:57.50 | Cameron | most webpages actually |
| 20:57.51 | W8TVI | ibot wellenreiter |
| 20:57.53 | | well, wellenreiter is http://www.wellenreiter.net/ |
| 20:57.57 | kathleen | running stuff from SD seems a little slower, but thats just an observation no eperical data to support it |
| 20:58.12 | lpotter | running apps from sd IS slower |
| 20:58.19 | Umaro | torment: still nothing.. don't have the cash for a card writer |
| 20:58.20 | Cameron | I'd imagine so |
| 20:58.35 | Cameron | Umaro: you can find them for really cheap. |
| 20:58.36 | Dessimat0r | well, I suppose it uses up a lot of CPU to jam a massive site into a small space :D |
| 20:58.51 | Cameron | yeah hehe, Dessimat0r :) |
| 20:58.55 | Umaro | Cameron: online, but then I have to pay for shipping. :) |
| 20:59.14 | Cameron | I just wish I could compare Netfront's speed to konqueror's |
| 20:59.24 | Cameron | but I have no idea where I'd find a Netfront ipk |
| 20:59.32 | Dessimat0r | I love my 256mb CF, I can't notice any slowdown when opening apps |
| 21:00.00 | Dessimat0r | made by PQI |
| 21:00.13 | Dessimat0r | I think they got the 'quickest flash' award on some site |
| 21:00.29 | kathleen | yeah but i like to have my wifi card in oit, so running from sd is the best option |
| 21:00.30 | Dessimat0r | this only cost me £60, too |
| 21:00.49 | kathleen | to bad no one makes a 1 gig microdrive/wifi combo card |
| 21:00.57 | Cameron | hehe yeah |
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| 21:01.11 | Cameron | darn it |
| 21:01.27 | Cameron | I suspended my C700 and turning it on, it stays on, frozen for a few seconds, then turns off again! |
| 21:01.29 | torment | Umaro: i can try copying an image of my cf card with 3.3.5rc1 and you can overwrite yours |
| 21:01.35 | kathleen | or at least poffer a pda with dual cf slots |
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| 21:01.50 | Umaro | so, anyone found any good battery-extending solutions for the Z, specifically that will work on the 5500? |
| 21:01.59 | Umaro | torment: that'd be cool |
| 21:03.15 | kathleen | i wish the wifi card eats batteries big time |
| 21:04.16 | kathleen | mind you the z seems to get better battery life when using the wifi then my ce machine did |
| 21:05.15 | Umaro | I still think it would have been a better investment for me to get a bt card than the wifi |
| 21:05.35 | Cameron | bt? |
| 21:05.45 | Umaro | course, then I would have had to get a bt cell phone |
| 21:05.45 | kathleen | blue tooth |
| 21:05.57 | Umaro | any word on how much juice the bt cards suck? |
| 21:06.11 | kathleen | no idea |
| 21:06.48 | Umaro | hmm.. gotta be less than the wifi |
| 21:07.11 | Umaro | I was totally disappointed in my Z's battery until I listened to music on it for like 4 hours without it quitting.. with the wifi it quits after what seems like 45 minutes |
| 21:08.09 | Dessimat0r | how come so must dust gets behind the Zaurus screen :/ |
| 21:08.12 | Dessimat0r | can't be very well sealed |
| 21:09.27 | kathleen | haven't noticed any on either of my z's |
| 21:10.03 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 21:10.13 | Dessimat0r | when the screen is black, it sticks out like a sore thumb |
| 21:10.24 | Dessimat0r | about 11 specs of dust |
| 21:10.25 | Umaro | mine seems to do ok.. but my wife and kids have done a number on the screen by playing candy cruncher too much.. |
| 21:10.32 | Dessimat0r | erk |
| 21:10.55 | Umaro | Dessimat0r: must be a manufactoring defect.. i've heard about it, but mine doesn't have it. |
| 21:10.55 | Dessimat0r | ah, by the way, I'm learning Java |
| 21:11.01 | Dessimat0r | so you may ahve more Java apps soon |
| 21:11.04 | Dessimat0r | *have |
| 21:12.09 | Dessimat0r | I'm still not convinced that Java is necessarily a 'good thing' |
| 21:12.21 | Dessimat0r | speed issues, etc |
| 21:18.07 | Twiun | Dessimat0r: let me know if you need help ;) |
| 21:19.49 | Twiun | anyway, it's possible to make java apps 'fast enough' but it can take more effort with design+implementation than with native apps |
| 21:20.04 | Twiun | Dessimat0r: how's your qt? |
| 21:20.59 | Dessimat0r | qt skills? None whatsoever |
| 21:21.06 | Dessimat0r | We are only doing console apps in Uni atm |
| 21:21.09 | Dessimat0r | in Java |
| 21:21.15 | Twiun | ahhh |
| 21:21.16 | Dessimat0r | very simple ones |
| 21:21.36 | Twiun | whatever you do, don't use my java-othello game as an example ;) |
| 21:21.46 | Dessimat0r | I'm busy working on CodeKnight - http://dessimat0r.myftp.org/CodeKnight/ as well ;) |
| 21:21.47 | Dessimat0r | hehe |
| 21:22.07 | Dessimat0r | I coded all that myself in PHP and MySQL |
| 21:22.18 | Twiun | nice! |
| 21:22.24 | Twiun | btw, the about page doesn't work ;) |
| 21:22.29 | Dessimat0r | i know, lol |
| 21:22.33 | Dessimat0r | look around, and find pages that work |
| 21:22.34 | Dessimat0r | heh |
| 21:22.43 | Dessimat0r | I've been working on the Who's Online bits, and stuff |
| 21:23.14 | Twiun | yeah, looking at it now |
| 21:23.23 | Dessimat0r | Working on the admin section, as well |
| 21:23.29 | Dessimat0r | thats fairly nice |
| 21:24.30 | Twiun | I'm currently having a go at vectorising pingizaurus - the bitmap just isn't enough |
| 21:24.40 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 21:24.41 | Twiun | well, RE-vectorising anyway |
| 21:24.43 | Dessimat0r | hehe |
| 21:24.54 | Twiun | hardwire lost the original in a hd crash iirc |
| 21:25.02 | Dessimat0r | anyoen seen pnis about? |
| 21:25.05 | hardwire | :( |
| 21:25.06 | Dessimat0r | *anyone |
| 21:25.10 | Twiun | ibot: seen pnis |
| 21:25.17 | | pnis <~pnis@caracas-0312.adsl.interware.hu> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 144d 37m 3s ago, saying: 'goodnight all'. |
| 21:25.17 | Dessimat0r | aah, forgot about that |
| 21:25.22 | Dessimat0r | its been a long time ;) |
| 21:25.35 | Dessimat0r | sent him an e-mail the other day, hes certainly alive |
| 21:25.43 | Twiun | hardwire: got something out of corel draw's vectoriser, but it's a bit too rought for my liking. I'm going to tidy it up some more |
| 21:25.55 | Twiun | what's he up to then? |
| 21:26.11 | hardwire | who? |
| 21:26.13 | Dessimat0r | hold on, need to fetch the email |
| 21:26.49 | Dessimat0r | Yes, thanks for asking. Unfortunatelly I was/am busy, so xmms-e development |
| 21:26.49 | Dessimat0r | is halted now. |
| 21:27.18 | Twiun | ah, shame... sounds like real life taking too much time from his dev |
| 21:28.28 | Twiun | Dessimat0r: want to be kept updated on the Kaffe developments for the Zaurus? |
| 21:32.21 | Dessimat0r | sure ;) |
| 21:32.23 | ljp | yes |
| 21:32.29 | ljp | I do too |
| 21:32.36 | Dessimat0r | !seen AndyQ |
| 21:32.37 | ljp | me me me me me to |
| 21:32.59 | ljp | pleeeeease.. me to me too |
| 21:32.59 | Dessimat0r | ibot: seen AndyQ |
| 21:33.00 | | andyq <~AndyQ@pc-80-194-121-29-hy.blueyonder.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 181d 23h 43m 14s ago, saying: 'hey chouimat'. |
| 21:33.00 | Twiun | 'k, there's interest :) |
| 21:33.12 | Dessimat0r | erk |
| 21:33.27 | Dessimat0r | too.. many.. people.. with.. life |
| 21:33.30 | Dessimat0r | *explodes* |
| 21:33.45 | ljp | ibot seen fastolfe |
| 21:33.45 | | fastolfe <~askme@212.180.113.40> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 178d 23h 25m 4s ago, saying: 'oic. I'll get in touch with him then. thx'. |
| 21:34.04 | ljp | wow. someone not seen longer than fastolfe.. I'm impressed |
| 21:34.12 | Dessimat0r | heh |
| 21:36.15 | treke|home | ibot, seen my ass |
| 21:36.16 | | treke|home: i haven't seen 'my ass' |
| 21:39.27 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 21:39.38 | Dessimat0r | ibot, seen your anus |
| 21:39.40 | | i haven't seen 'your anus', Dessimat0r |
| 21:39.44 | ljp | ibot: seen naked women |
| 21:39.45 | | i haven't seen 'naked women', ljp |
| 21:39.51 | ljp | poor guy |
| 21:40.15 | ljp | ibot seen Sugar naked |
| 21:40.16 | | i haven't seen 'sugar naked', ljp |
| 21:40.29 | ljp | ibot: your bummin' dude |
| 21:40.32 | | ljp: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 21:40.49 | ljp | ibot: no. why would I? |
| 21:40.51 | | bugger all, i dunno, ljp |
| 21:40.52 | alobodig | One day that bot is going to fight back and you'll be sorry. |
| 21:40.59 | Dessimat0r | ibot, seen your girlfriend |
| 21:40.59 | | Dessimat0r: i haven't seen 'your girlfriend' |
| 21:41.05 | Dessimat0r | damn, its because I don't have one :/ |
| 21:41.29 | Dessimat0r | actually, I might do, but I'm unsure what signals shes sending out |
| 21:41.39 | Dessimat0r | or whether she already has one |
| 21:41.46 | Dessimat0r | boyfriend, that is |
| 21:42.14 | ljp | yup she does |
| 21:42.21 | Dessimat0r | haha |
| 21:42.31 | ljp | and still sleeps with others on the side |
| 21:43.29 | Dessimat0r | the thought had crossed my mind |
| 21:43.49 | Dessimat0r | but she dosen't seem like the type |
| 21:44.06 | Dessimat0r | then again, they never do, I suppose |
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| 21:45.14 | pngwen | I just flashed oz 3.2 and now my zaurus won't turn on. |
| 21:45.34 | Dessimat0r | easy to fix |
| 21:45.40 | Dessimat0r | press reset button again |
| 21:45.45 | Dessimat0r | on the back |
| 21:45.47 | pngwen | ok |
| 21:46.00 | pngwen | won't that erase everything I just put on it? |
| 21:46.21 | Dessimat0r | by flashing it, you did erase everything that was on it, and replaced it with OpenZaurus |
| 21:46.35 | pngwen | no, I mean won't that erase what I put on it during the flashing |
| 21:46.40 | Dessimat0r | no |
| 21:46.41 | torment | no it wont |
| 21:46.44 | torment | just a reset |
| 21:47.14 | pngwen | ok there it goes. for a second I thought it was because I had additional files on my cf card when I flashed |
| 21:47.16 | Dessimat0r | rest of the memory, not the flash |
| 21:47.18 | Dessimat0r | ah |
| 21:47.21 | Dessimat0r | *reset |
| 21:47.40 | pngwen | yes. I mean I thought my problem was because of that |
| 21:48.13 | pngwen | I've been tinkering with the rom stuff quite a bit, just playing around with it ya know |
| 21:48.42 | pngwen | I decided to go back to oz... it can be tough to put together a rom image for these little guys |
| 21:49.01 | pngwen | so reset completely deletes the /mnt/ram filesystem... right? |
| 21:50.33 | Twiun | yup |
| 21:50.50 | Twiun | I don't actually use those images |
| 21:51.23 | ljp | there are a few updated zaurus images with opie-1.02 which is better than oz 3.2 |
| 21:51.40 | ljp | oz 3.2 is like opie 0.9.4 |
| 21:52.02 | Umaro | ok guys, kergoth said on the ML that it's possible to flash just the zImage or just the initrd.bin |
| 21:52.05 | Twiun | ljp: can't wait for the 3.3.5 images? |
| 21:52.15 | Umaro | obviously, they both have to be flashed at the same time if you actually expect it to work |
| 21:52.29 | Dessimat0r | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.41 | Twiun | Umaro: not necessarily |
| 21:52.57 | Twiun | Umaro: as long as the modules on the initrd are compatible with the zImage it's fine |
| 21:53.09 | Umaro | Twiun: could I flash in two parts, then? |
| 21:53.18 | ljp | well, version number is opie dont really mean all that much - someone decides to change it in their tree... |
| 21:53.25 | ljp | s/is/in |
| 21:53.44 | ljp | they usually all come from cvs branch 1.0 |
| 21:53.46 | Twiun | Umaro: yes, but the two part process is really meant for people messing about with the kernel - it's a faster flash |
| 21:53.59 | Dessimat0r | I wish the Zaurus charger didn't draw power even when the Zaurus wasn't plugged in :/ |
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| 21:54.24 | Umaro | erm, right then |
| 21:54.28 | Umaro | Twiun: could I flash in two parts, then? |
| 21:54.37 | Twiun | Umaro: yes, but the two part process is really meant for people messing about with the kernel - it's a faster flash |
| 21:54.39 | pngwen | hey, while I'm on here, I saw something on the oz site about a buzzer dsp driver for the 5500. How do I muck about with that? |
| 21:54.58 | Twiun | Umaro: in general you'd want to do them together |
| 21:55.21 | Umaro | Twiun: ok. I'm mostly just trying to tell if my 16mb cf card is screwed, or my Z |
| 21:55.33 | Dessimat0r | bug found - I just resumed from suspend, and now I can't do anything on the screen |
| 21:55.34 | Twiun | Umaro: we don't bundle them as a single file because we don't want to screw up the bootloader |
| 21:55.52 | torment | Dessimat0r: remove usbd-common |
| 21:55.52 | Umaro | Twiun: oic |
| 21:55.54 | Twiun | Dessimat0r: 3.3.5RC1? on which device? |
| 21:55.56 | Dessimat0r | ah |
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| 21:56.05 | Dessimat0r | thanks |
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| 21:56.17 | bobbyd | hi |
| 21:56.18 | Dessimat0r | I'll have another look at that README.FIREST |
| 21:56.20 | Dessimat0r | heh |
| 21:56.31 | torment | yesyes |
| 21:56.38 | bobbyd | can anyone tell me where to look for info on doing usb ethernet to the zaurus from a 2.6 kernel? |
| 21:56.42 | Twiun | Umaro: I've never really got a flash to work with my 16mb card - but things could have changed since I last tried |
| 21:57.02 | Twiun | Umaro: upgraded to a 64mb cf a good while back |
| 21:57.07 | Umaro | well, I've flashed my Z once before off this car |
| 21:57.09 | Umaro | er card |
| 21:57.10 | torment | i usually flash from a 32mb but I just did 3.3.5rc1 on a 16mb and it workd |
| 21:57.27 | Twiun | that's nice to know |
| 21:58.01 | Umaro | the fs on my 8mb cf card is fat12.. hmm.. |
| 21:58.13 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 21:58.36 | Umaro | oh. not enough clusters |
| 21:58.39 | Twiun | bbiab, gotta put the missus to bed ;) |
| 22:00.06 | Umaro | hey now |
| 22:00.24 | Umaro | would having my SD card in my Z when I was trying to flash off my CF result in blinking lights? |
| 22:00.50 | torment | hmm i don't remember removing my SD for the flash |
| 22:00.52 | kathleen | i flash mine with the sd in all the time |
| 22:00.55 | kathleen | never take it out |
| 22:01.06 | torment | but you could try it |
| 22:01.14 | Umaro | ok.. because I just got a flash of the zImage off my 8mb cf |
| 22:01.16 | torment | it only matters if its running |
| 22:01.33 | bobbyd | anyone? |
| 22:01.35 | Umaro | of course, I didn't try it with my 8mb before taking my SD out.. |
| 22:04.01 | Umaro | maybe I can do it if I flash the initrd.bin off my 8mb cf, now.. |
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| 22:05.39 | tuxoverflow | im after some applications that were on the testing list for oz 3.2 is there any feeds available?? |
| 22:06.22 | Dessimat0r | the search app is a little sketchy in the GUI department |
| 22:07.01 | tuxoverflow | ive tried 3.3.5rc1 and didnt have much luck! some im back on 3.2 |
| 22:07.04 | Dessimat0r | as if it was rushed, or something |
| 22:07.21 | ljp | try this one: |
| 22:07.24 | ljp | ibot opie-us |
| 22:07.26 | | i guess opie-us is image here http://www.opie.us/opie/devZone.php/initrds/OZ-Opie-1.02/ and feed here http://www.opie.us/feeds/sl5x00/ |
| 22:07.35 | tuxoverflow | oh cheers |
| 22:07.37 | tuxoverflow | tahnks |
| 22:10.03 | Umaro | welp, maybe my 16mb cf is just toast |
| 22:11.12 | Umaro | when I try to flash the zImage off my 8mb cf, the light stays solid like it's flashing for about 15 seconds, and then goes off. when I boot, it's still the old zImage |
| 22:11.15 | tuxoverflow | no sorry no good im after nmap and a version of mail it with no deps |
| 22:11.20 | tuxoverflow | cheers anyway |
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| 22:16.49 | Dessimat0r | You should see how bad the drivers for the Aiptek Pencam work. On Windows XP, it made your system blue screen 1 time out of 10 when you connected it |
| 22:17.10 | Dessimat0r | luckily, I now have a Powershot A40 ;) |
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| 22:38.41 | pngwen | ok, question, why is it that all packages want to install their stuff on the smallest available partition? |
| 22:38.58 | pngwen | is /mnt/ram too volitile to store programs in? |
| 22:39.18 | kergoth | eh? /mnt/ram isnt volatile. its only loss on battery going empty. |
| 22:39.23 | tuxoverflow | i store some in ram |
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| 22:39.26 | kergoth | packages dont choose where they install. you do. |
| 22:39.33 | kergoth | if you want them in ram, install them to ram. |
| 22:39.49 | tuxoverflow | i install gaim to ram |
| 22:39.55 | pngwen | well, the default rom puts /opt into the 16mb rom, right? |
| 22:40.06 | kergoth | and the installer lets you install them to locations other than /. |
| 22:40.09 | kergoth | this isnt hard to understand. |
| 22:40.20 | kergoth | installing an app to /mnt/ram puts its files in /mnt/ram/opt |
| 22:40.32 | pngwen | ok, then I've missed something :-) |
| 22:40.42 | pngwen | hehe (i'm still fairly new to this system) |
| 22:40.54 | kergoth | read the faqs and docs regarding OZ memory layout. |
| 22:41.02 | kergoth | this has only been gone over a few hundred times |
| 22:41.20 | pngwen | ok, another question. I just locked up the zaurus playing around with it. I did a reset using the batery compartment switch. It wiped out /mnt/ram is that normal? |
| 22:41.30 | kergoth | no. |
| 22:41.34 | kergoth | soft reset doesnt wipe ram |
| 22:41.38 | kergoth | nor does full reset (unlike sharp) |
| 22:41.48 | pngwen | it just did. I'll try it again |
| 22:41.58 | kergoth | then something else is wrong in your environment. |
| 22:42.13 | pngwen | I was thinking that. I've got a fresh 3.2 installation now |
| 22:42.38 | tuxoverflow | yer stick with that dont get tempted by 3.3.5 yet |
| 22:42.58 | pngwen | hehe, only go bleeding edge on hardware that I am very familiar with :P |
| 22:43.25 | tuxoverflow | very good |
| 22:43.26 | tuxoverflow | ha |
| 22:44.58 | pngwen | now when you say that the installer can install to ram, are you referring to the qtopia desktop one or to the one that is actually on the zaurus? |
| 22:45.22 | kergoth | qtopia desktop installs work with the Z? i'd be surprised if they work at all. |
| 22:45.55 | pngwen | well it's a bit cumbersom trying to pick one of a million packages with the stylus |
| 22:46.25 | pngwen | that's why I use it on my computer. The package manager on the zaurus is confusing at best, unless I use it in cl mode that is |
| 22:46.35 | kergoth | well qtopia desktop has no ability to install to alternate destinations. |
| 22:46.37 | kergoth | deal |
| 22:46.49 | pngwen | alright, can do |
| 22:47.17 | kergoth | and regarding using the stylus to select packages, have you tried using the Z vnc server? |
| 22:47.43 | pngwen | hmm nope sure haven't |
| 22:48.02 | pngwen | I'll give it a whirl though |
| 22:48.41 | kathleen | i haven't been able to get the vnc server to work on my z under oz32 |
| 22:48.42 | pngwen | I'm not finding anything in the faq about installing to ram btw. |
| 22:48.48 | kathleen | works fine unde rthe sharp rom tho |
| 22:48.52 | kergoth | um? |
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| 22:49.10 | kergoth | you dont know how to install to ram? |
| 22:49.19 | kergoth | the dropdown with a list of places to install is unintuitive, or .>? |
| 22:49.44 | W8TVI | kergoth: its just too hard! |
| 22:49.57 | pngwen | I think the whole app is unintuitive.... |
| 22:50.13 | pngwen | ok, I think I see where you mean now |
| 22:50.14 | kergoth | ipkg install filename |
| 22:50.17 | kergoth | is just *so* difficult |
| 22:50.22 | pngwen | I can do that, yes |
| 22:50.32 | pngwen | command line is fine. It's the packages gui that throws me |
| 22:50.36 | alobodig | Wait, you can install packages now? |
| 22:50.42 | kergoth | if you have problems with the gui, submit bugs and feature requests against it. |
| 22:50.49 | kergoth | this is open source, not dumbfuck sharp |
| 22:50.54 | W8TVI | kergoth: its just sooo hard to use your eyes and brain nowadays |
| 22:51.22 | pngwen | hehe, well now don't take offense. I'm just saying that I have problems using it. I'm trying to learn |
| 22:51.44 | kergoth | well, if you have problems, then its possible others do too. so submit requests or opinions on how to improve it. |
| 22:51.59 | pngwen | ok, but be warned, I'm not much of a gui person :P |
| 22:52.07 | W8TVI | kergoth: but what if he just has problems? |
| 22:52.10 | W8TVI | ;) |
| 22:52.26 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:52.34 | pngwen | W8TVI: never said I didn;t |
| 22:52.36 | pngwen | hehe |
| 22:52.38 | W8TVI | :P |
| 22:53.10 | kergoth | god this is annoying. for some reason my 2nd pass gcc cant build shit cause the cross/arm-linux/lib isnt in the search path |
| 22:53.17 | kergoth | yet i was able to build glibc with the 1st pass gcc just fine |
| 22:53.19 | W8TVI | pngwen is my kinda newbie... you can insult him and he laughs with ya! :) |
| 22:54.07 | pngwen | W8TVI: I'm only a newbie when it comes to this newfangled zaurus thing. I'm a linux veteran and a coder... Just wait until I start writing code for this thing |
| 22:54.15 | pngwen | W8TVI: THEN I'll get annoying |
| 22:54.19 | W8TVI | :) |
| 22:54.28 | kergoth | thanks for the warning |
| 22:54.36 | pngwen | heh anytime |
| 22:54.43 | W8TVI | pngwen: ipkg --help is really useful |
| 22:54.58 | kergoth | dont forget about ipkg-link. |
| 22:55.02 | W8TVI | you can tell it where you want it installed for there |
| 22:55.08 | W8TVI | yeah |
| 22:55.14 | pngwen | W8TVI: now I said I could used the CLI version of it. the gui one is the confusing one |
| 22:55.24 | pngwen | ipkg-link? |
| 22:55.28 | pngwen | haven't tried that out |
| 22:55.44 | kergoth | an app installed to somewhere other than / needs to be symlinked back to / to retain functionality |
| 22:55.45 | kergoth | aqpkg does that automatically |
| 22:55.50 | kergoth | from the cmdline, you'll want to use ipkg-link |
| 22:55.53 | kergoth | ipkg-link add <packagename> |
| 22:55.57 | kergoth | or ipkg-link mount <mountpoint> |
| 22:56.24 | bobbyd | kergoth: should the zaurus work with the usb networking in the 2.6 kernel "out of the box?" |
| 22:56.27 | pngwen | yeah I see that on it's help message |
| 22:56.33 | kergoth | bobbyd: yes. |
| 22:57.28 | bobbyd | do I need to get OZ from bitkeeper for that? (I'm compiling it now) or will it just work with the binary that's on the OZ site? |
| 22:57.35 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:57.46 | kergoth | the zaurus side doesnt give a shit whats on your desktop |
| 22:57.52 | kergoth | your desktop has to have a recent usbnet |
| 22:57.59 | bobbyd | ok great |
| 22:58.00 | bobbyd | thanks |
| 22:58.05 | kergoth | np |
| 22:59.12 | pyromance | oh ... and restart opie when you finish an ipkg-mount if you want the icons to show up ;) |
| 22:59.22 | pngwen | ok |
| 22:59.25 | pngwen | good to know |
| 23:00.15 | alobodig | Eventually will the icons show up on their own after an install? |
| 23:00.43 | pyromance | after an application install? |
| 23:01.20 | alobodig | Yes, I mean "eventually" as in "in some future version of Opie" |
| 23:01.32 | pyromance | Probably |
| 23:01.35 | pyromance | Heh. |
| 23:01.42 | alobodig | Okay, because that's a bit of a hassle. |
| 23:01.55 | pyromance | Eh.. it's not so bad. That's only when you do command line installs |
| 23:02.01 | pyromance | When you use AQpkg then it's not needed |
| 23:02.15 | pyromance | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.27 | bobbyd | bye |
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| 23:09.54 | kc8pxy | is there something I'm missing in getting my OZ too sync with my PC?? |
| 23:10.34 | kc8pxy | at the moment I'm still usign the windows software that came with the Z for the PC end |
| 23:11.18 | kc8pxy | pyromance: ok.. then mebbe i could just scp files in and out?? |
| 23:11.36 | kc8pxy | cause i can get usbd \0 to come up |
| 23:11.59 | tuxoverflow | just get the new troltech desktop software |
| 23:12.09 | tuxoverflow | i use it - its fine |
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| 23:12.24 | ljp | if youare using a newer qtopia desktop from sharp, it wont sync with oz, as they use their own PIM format |
| 23:12.31 | pyromance | kc8pxy: Some people get it to work. I just resolved myself that my Zaurus is not a PDA ;) |
| 23:12.39 | tuxoverflow | eh |
| 23:12.48 | tuxoverflow | i sync with ox |
| 23:12.50 | tuxoverflow | 3.2 |
| 23:12.52 | ljp | and the qtopia desktop from Trolltech doesn;t sync all opie info |
| 23:12.55 | tuxoverflow | an 3.3.5 |
| 23:13.35 | tuxoverflow | it does on mine! |
| 23:13.36 | NomNes | is there a way to sync oz with mozilla? |
| 23:13.38 | tuxoverflow | im happy |
| 23:13.43 | NomNes | on windows? |
| 23:13.59 | tuxoverflow | trolltech on windowsto |
| 23:14.03 | tuxoverflow | to |
| 23:14.05 | kc8pxy | pyro i just want to copy files w/o running up my used cycles on my CF |
| 23:14.37 | NomNes | tux: thanks |
| 23:14.46 | tuxoverflow | im using trolltech on windows and linux |
| 23:14.51 | tuxoverflow | with oz 3.2 |
| 23:14.57 | tuxoverflow | and i used it with 3.3.4 |
| 23:15.01 | tuxoverflow | and 3.3.5 |
| 23:15.05 | tuxoverflow | works fine. |
| 23:15.13 | tuxoverflow | sync over the usb |
| 23:15.17 | tuxoverflow | and wireless |
| 23:15.40 | tuxoverflow | no problems |
| 23:15.46 | NomNes | anyonw have any good/bad experiences with 3.3.5 rc1 on a 750? |
| 23:16.04 | tuxoverflow | its not ready so i guess they have!! |
| 23:16.31 | kc8pxy | tuxoverflow: can you help me iron out the erros then?? my qtopia desktop that came on my sharp cd does not work with my OZ 3.2 |
| 23:17.21 | tuxoverflow | ah you want the newer version |
| 23:17.21 | kergoth | alobodig: the icons _do_ show up on their own after an install, just not when using the commandline tools. working behind opie's bacck isnt guaranteed to cooperate well |
| 23:17.26 | tuxoverflow | from the trolltech site |
| 23:17.33 | tuxoverflow | you using windows?? |
| 23:17.39 | alobodig | kergoth: Understood. |
| 23:17.40 | kc8pxy | tuxoverflow: so go get qtopia DT from troll?? |
| 23:17.47 | tuxoverflow | yes |
| 23:18.08 | kc8pxy | ATM.. yes.. i can't get usbd to see the cradle right.. so I'm stuck with windows |
| 23:18.09 | tuxoverflow | im using 1.7 |
| 23:18.17 | tuxoverflow | ah right |
| 23:18.28 | tuxoverflow | well when you plug it in |
| 23:18.32 | tuxoverflow | it makes a network adapter |
| 23:18.39 | tuxoverflow | in 2000?? xp? |
| 23:20.22 | tuxoverflow | oh right which version of linux did you get stuck with?? |
| 23:20.25 | tuxoverflow | rh? |
| 23:22.21 | kc8pxy | uninstall my my old QT DT ?? |
| 23:22.26 | kc8pxy | gentoo 1.4 |
| 23:22.48 | tuxoverflow | yes loose it |
| 23:22.50 | kc8pxy | i think it's my choice in USB drivers. |
| 23:23.19 | tuxoverflow | i used a clean install oh rh 9 |
| 23:23.25 | tuxoverflow | it worked fine |
| 23:23.35 | tuxoverflow | i have oz workin wireless now dont use cradle |
| 23:23.43 | tuxoverflow | sync wireless :-) |
| 23:24.06 | tuxoverflow | u setting up in windows now? |
| 23:24.53 | kc8pxy | yes |
| 23:25.00 | kc8pxy | my wireless don't work :-( |
| 23:25.09 | kc8pxy | card detects |
| 23:25.19 | kc8pxy | dmesg says hw not ready :-( |
| 23:25.31 | tuxoverflow | what card?/ |
| 23:27.25 | kc8pxy | SMC EZ connect. |
| 23:27.27 | kc8pxy | brb |
| 23:27.33 | kc8pxy | silly windows.. |
| 23:27.42 | tuxoverflow | ditch it then!! |
| 23:27.46 | tuxoverflow | its crap |
| 23:30.28 | tuxoverflow | ha sign of reboot windows |
| 23:30.35 | tuxoverflow | lol |
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| 23:34.47 | kc8pxy | ok |
| 23:35.02 | kc8pxy | got QTDT installed.. time to get the OZ |
| 23:37.41 | tuxoverflow | on the z go to network and make sure usb is on the network 192.168.129.201 / netmask 255.255.255.0 - gateway 192.168.129.200 |
| 23:37.58 | tuxoverflow | go to security on the z and change to any for now |
| 23:38.21 | tuxoverflow | then on da windows box(ugh!) go to network |
| 23:38.36 | tuxoverflow | and go to the properties of the network card it has added |
| 23:38.44 | tuxoverflow | go to properties of tcp /ip |
| 23:39.11 | tuxoverflow | and change the ip address to 192.168.129.201 / netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 23:39.13 | tuxoverflow | thats it |
| 23:39.18 | tuxoverflow | that will work |
| 23:39.27 | tuxoverflow | you should be able to ping it |
| 23:39.37 | tuxoverflow | then go to qtopia desktop |
| 23:39.41 | tuxoverflow | settings |
| 23:39.58 | tuxoverflow | chang the connection to usb and the ip address of 192.168.129.201 |
| 23:40.01 | tuxoverflow | done |
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| 23:59.04 | kc8pxy | tuxoverflow: got it.. seems to be seeing eachother |
| 23:59.30 | kc8pxy | tuxoverflow: now here's a tough part. |
| 23:59.38 | kc8pxy | i got zgcc installed. |
| 23:59.49 | kc8pxy | i want to make it cross-compile win32 :) |