| 00:13.52 | tuxoverflow | there yah go told yah easy |
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| 00:23.54 | oztest | hi there |
| 00:24.10 | NomNes | . |
| 00:25.44 | oztest | congrats to the oz people, I am using 3.3.5 rc1 with the irc client right now |
| 00:28.29 | NomNes | is there a web browser in oz? |
| 00:28.37 | zakk | konquerer |
| 00:30.33 | NomNes | it does not seem to be in the feed on http://www.openzaurus.org/official/testing/3.3.5-rc1/shepherd/ipks/ - where can I download it from? |
| 00:32.48 | zakk | no idea |
| 00:32.50 | zakk | I use a collie |
| 00:33.10 | treke|home | Steal it from the collie feed |
| 00:35.21 | NomNes | it doesn't seem to be in the collie feed either - http://www.openzaurus.org/official/testing/3.3.5-rc1/collie/ipks/ |
| 00:35.45 | treke|home | then get it from oz 3.2 |
| 00:36.09 | NomNes | ok Thanks. didn't think of that |
| 00:43.35 | NomNes | also the package management doesn't work, it complains about a missing aq... file |
| 00:44.19 | kathleen | grab it from stable |
| 00:45.32 | NomNes | thanks for the hint |
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| 00:58.11 | NomNes | it says "could not locate application aqpkg" I couldn' find that one in 3.2 stable |
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| 01:20.07 | heatxsink | where can I download the lastest? |
| 01:20.13 | heatxsink | rom |
| 01:20.20 | heatxsink | 3.3.5 |
| 01:20.32 | heatxsink | no latest the testing rom |
| 01:21.45 | vvff | heatxsink: http://www.opie.us/opie/devZone.php/initrds/ |
| 01:22.15 | heatxsink | thanks |
| 01:22.27 | heatxsink | does anyone have the lastest socket bluetooth card? |
| 01:23.05 | heatxsink | vvff: that's the OZ 3.3.5 rom? |
| 01:23.10 | treke|home | no that isnt |
| 01:23.15 | treke|home | openzaurus.org/official/testing |
| 01:24.09 | heatxsink | duh |
| 01:24.11 | heatxsink | thanks |
| 01:24.23 | offroadgeek | anyone have the 3.3.5 working on a c7x yet? |
| 01:24.37 | offroadgeek | I've just flashed it on my 760 |
| 01:24.52 | treke|home | I use roughly 3.3.5 on my c760 |
| 01:25.35 | offroadgeek | mine only shows the open zaurus login prompt after flashing... |
| 01:25.46 | treke|home | probably forgot the kernel |
| 01:27.15 | offroadgeek | don't think so... I downloaded zimage initrd.bin and the updater script from testing... |
| 01:29.02 | treke|home | zakk: tried 3.3.5 yet? |
| 01:29.30 | zakk | nope |
| 01:29.31 | zakk | :( |
| 01:29.38 | treke|home | get on it |
| 01:29.59 | zakk | I will after my zaurus recharges |
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| 01:30.01 | zakk | need to backup too |
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| 01:37.10 | pngwen | I've got another question for you guys, and I've searched the faq on this one. |
| 01:37.22 | pngwen | Where does AQPkg look for the local packages? |
| 01:37.38 | pngwen | (ie where should I put an ipk file I want AQPkg to see?) |
| 01:41.57 | ljp | ~/Documents ot /mnt/cf or /mnt/card |
| 01:42.04 | ljp | s/ot/or |
| 01:42.23 | pngwen | ok. that worked thanks. |
| 01:43.39 | treke|home | su |
| 01:43.48 | ljp | sure, that'll be $45 payable to my paypal account |
| 01:44.00 | ljp | next question? |
| 01:44.11 | pngwen | hehe I'm good for now |
| 01:44.26 | ljp | hmmpft |
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| 01:47.53 | pngwen | is there anything bad that could happen if I move my home directory to /mnt/ram? |
| 01:48.06 | pngwen | (linking it back of course) |
| 01:52.53 | ljp | yes, the earth could be swallowed into a blackhole |
| 01:53.11 | pngwen | hmm... 'bout time someone destroyed that thing! I'll do it! |
| 01:55.09 | pngwen | hmm... nope, didn't even seem to adversely affect my zaurus. |
| 01:55.28 | ljp | yes, besides, we have to make way for the Vogon constructer fleet |
| 01:56.00 | pngwen | just be sure you have your subether electronic thumb ready |
| 01:56.28 | ljp | towel is more important |
| 01:56.47 | pngwen | well if you wave a towel at a vogon you aren't likely to get on board, are you? |
| 01:57.27 | pngwen | remember those guys won't even save their own grandmothers from the ravenous bugbladder beast of trawul |
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| 02:18.05 | offroadgeek | allo |
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| 02:18.27 | offroadgeek | anyone up? |
| 02:18.31 | ljp | no |
| 02:18.33 | W8TVI | no |
| 02:18.36 | offroadgeek | doh! |
| 02:18.40 | jaiotu | Yes |
| 02:18.41 | ljp | I'm downunder at work |
| 02:19.44 | offroadgeek | please correct me if I'm wrong... husky = 760 ? |
| 02:20.19 | Pendalar | wb |
| 02:21.04 | ljp | Husky is a dog bred for sled pulling |
| 02:21.29 | ljp | I think the 760 is shepherd |
| 02:21.30 | Pendalar | yes |
| 02:21.32 | offroadgeek | cute |
| 02:21.44 | Pendalar | husky == c760 |
| 02:21.46 | ljp | husky might be 750 |
| 02:21.55 | Pendalar | according to OZ's website |
| 02:22.05 | ljp | ahh. very well.. what he said |
| 02:22.10 | Pendalar | shepard == c750 |
| 02:22.24 | Pendalar | ibot: c760? |
| 02:22.26 | | Pendalar: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 02:22.31 | Pendalar | bah =-e |
| 02:24.09 | jaiotu | ibot: husky |
| 02:24.12 | | well, husky is Sharp Zaurus SL-C760 or a dog |
| 02:24.14 | ljp | ibot: c760 is the name of a dog, bred for herding |
| 02:24.15 | | ljp: okay |
| 02:25.12 | treke|ho1e | husky is shepherd. c860 is c760 |
| 02:25.17 | treke|ho1e | and that made no sense. |
| 02:25.31 | treke|ho1e | husky is c760 and shepherd is c750. |
| 02:26.44 | Pendalar | husky is c760, shepherd is c750, we never brought c860 into it ;-) |
| 02:27.14 | treke|ho1e | bah |
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| 02:27.56 | Pendalar | =-) |
| 02:29.21 | offroadgeek | ahh.. ok... |
| 02:29.30 | ljp | ibot:no, c760 is the name of a dog, bred for pulling sleds |
| 02:29.32 | | ljp: okay |
| 02:29.41 | offroadgeek | so I just flashed the husky 3.3.5 onto my 760, and in sysinfo... it shows 750 |
| 02:33.14 | ljp | maybe you really have a c750 |
| 02:33.22 | ljp | :) |
| 02:33.38 | offroadgeek | hah... don't think so |
| 02:34.22 | offroadgeek | how is the memory split up on 3.3.5? |
| 02:34.42 | zakk | your memory and I have been talking |
| 02:34.46 | zakk | and we've decided to split up |
| 02:34.59 | zakk | you'll get access to RAM style memory on weekends |
| 02:35.15 | zakk | and the rest of the week you can have storage. |
| 02:35.23 | ljp | every other weekend, really |
| 02:35.30 | zakk | well, we will see |
| 02:35.47 | ljp | but youhave to be supervised |
| 02:38.38 | offroadgeek | it is true that none of the oz devs have a 760 or 750? |
| 02:40.34 | ljp | well, none that count have them :) |
| 02:40.48 | offroadgeek | hmm... |
| 02:40.56 | ljp | treke has one |
| 02:41.01 | offroadgeek | it's a darn pretty rom |
| 02:41.41 | ljp | yup |
| 02:42.05 | ljp | treke's obviously not around at the moment |
| 02:43.09 | jaiotu | anyone have an idea when the 'final' for 3.3.5 might be released? |
| 02:43.20 | ljp | soon |
| 02:43.32 | ljp | Q4 2003, or Q1 2004 |
| 02:43.42 | jaiotu | cool |
| 02:43.56 | ljp | most likely in the next few weeks |
| 02:44.14 | ljp | as they get the bugs out of the new kernel |
| 02:44.58 | offroadgeek | mine doesn't like suspend/resume |
| 02:45.40 | ljp | remove usb-common |
| 02:47.07 | offroadgeek | from where? |
| 02:47.31 | kathleen | installed packages |
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| 02:48.34 | jaiotu | I could use some help: My SD card is formatted to vfat, this is because I have had too many problems with data loss when my Z locks up and I have to reset using ext2. vfat causes problems because I am constantly having to fix symbolic links. Anyone have any suggestions? |
| 02:49.24 | offroadgeek | usb-common is not installed |
| 02:56.12 | jaiotu | Good night |
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| 04:28.59 | mrwoody | any wifi expert here? |
| 04:32.22 | kathleen | i know a little |
| 04:35.16 | mrwoody | I have been try to use my wireless dsl/router |
| 04:35.20 | mrwoody | in openzaurus |
| 04:35.26 | mrwoody | the problem is that kismet is working |
| 04:35.32 | mrwoody | but i cannot get any ip from there |
| 04:35.45 | mrwoody | kathleen: do you use wireless with openzaurus? |
| 04:35.57 | W8TVI | I use wireless |
| 04:36.03 | W8TVI | wgat ya need help with? |
| 04:36.06 | W8TVI | what |
| 04:36.14 | mrwoody | W8TVI: to start |
| 04:36.21 | mrwoody | what do you have in the dhcp option |
| 04:36.24 | mrwoody | yes or not? |
| 04:36.39 | W8TVI | hats your setup? |
| 04:37.01 | W8TVI | whats your setup? |
| 04:37.03 | kathleen | yeah i run an adhoc network with a cf11 on my zaurus |
| 04:37.07 | mrwoody | i have tried both (in particular i have followed what is written in http://www.timekiller.org/howtos/kismet-5600.html) |
| 04:37.28 | W8TVI | mrwoody: what is your network setup |
| 04:37.37 | W8TVI | I dont care what some website says |
| 04:38.12 | mrwoody | my network setup reguarding? |
| 04:38.21 | W8TVI | what ae you using? |
| 04:38.27 | W8TVI | whats your setup? |
| 04:38.38 | mrwoody | i am using a dsl provider... with a wireless router |
| 04:38.45 | mrwoody | that works with my wife notebook |
| 04:39.04 | W8TVI | ok, do you have to set an IP on the notebook? |
| 04:39.14 | W8TVI | IP address |
| 04:39.17 | mrwoody | no |
| 04:39.28 | W8TVI | ok, your using DHCP |
| 04:39.36 | W8TVI | have your zaurus use DHCP |
| 04:39.45 | mrwoody | but if i use kismet, i can see my router, but it doesn't give any ip number |
| 04:39.54 | mrwoody | okie |
| 04:40.03 | W8TVI | then restart the interface |
| 04:40.13 | W8TVI | what zaurus are you using and what rom? |
| 04:40.24 | mrwoody | sl5000d |
| 04:40.28 | W8TVI | k |
| 04:40.29 | mrwoody | the last rom of OZ |
| 04:40.34 | W8TVI | what version |
| 04:40.59 | W8TVI | there is no "last rom" |
| 04:41.14 | mrwoody | 3.2 |
| 04:41.16 | W8TVI | k |
| 04:41.42 | mrwoody | shall i use adhoc? |
| 04:41.44 | W8TVI | no |
| 04:41.48 | mrwoody | or no specific ? |
| 04:42.02 | W8TVI | no specific |
| 04:42.23 | W8TVI | it should work with the "any" setting for the AP |
| 04:42.40 | mrwoody | okie... but i still cannot get any ip from my wireless router |
| 04:42.54 | mrwoody | altough the signal seems to be very strong (wlanmon) |
| 04:43.48 | W8TVI | are you using wep on the ap? |
| 04:43.55 | mrwoody | yes |
| 04:44.08 | W8TVI | thats your problem |
| 04:44.22 | mrwoody | wait |
| 04:44.25 | mrwoody | now i get the ip |
| 04:45.03 | W8TVI | wep doesn't work well with oz 3.2 |
| 04:45.12 | mrwoody | but i can only ping myself |
| 04:45.14 | mrwoody | :-( |
| 04:45.23 | mrwoody | how? |
| 04:45.27 | W8TVI | turn off wep and things sould work fine |
| 04:45.30 | mrwoody | i cannot disable wep |
| 04:45.38 | mrwoody | my wife needs that |
| 04:46.14 | mrwoody | can you please read this: http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website//faq/faq?id=91 |
| 04:46.44 | W8TVI | so? |
| 04:46.51 | W8TVI | I've read that before |
| 04:47.03 | mrwoody | shall i use that hint? |
| 04:47.05 | W8TVI | I said that WEP doesn't work well with OZ3.2 |
| 04:47.15 | W8TVI | what do you think? |
| 04:47.36 | mrwoody | well doesn't work well, does it mean doesn't work at all? |
| 04:47.55 | mrwoody | W8TVI: except for disabling wep, do you have any other solution? |
| 04:48.02 | mrwoody | s/solution/advice |
| 04:48.31 | W8TVI | ipsec |
| 04:48.37 | mrwoody | ? |
| 04:48.50 | W8TVI | nevermind |
| 04:48.52 | mrwoody | so is it useless to follow what is written in the website? |
| 04:49.09 | W8TVI | maybe |
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| 04:49.26 | W8TVI | hey treke|ho1e |
| 04:49.34 | mrwoody | W8TVI: okie, I try |
| 04:49.36 | treke|ho1e | hey |
| 04:49.48 | W8TVI | mrwoody, you may not get it to work |
| 04:49.55 | mrwoody | but i am surprised i am the only one that use wep |
| 04:50.02 | W8TVI | your not |
| 04:50.13 | mrwoody | then |
| 04:50.14 | W8TVI | but not many use it with the zaurus |
| 04:50.31 | mrwoody | okie |
| 04:50.40 | mrwoody | still a lot of people must use it |
| 04:51.00 | W8TVI | mrwoody, what you can do is get another AP and hook it into your router and use just that with your zaurus |
| 04:51.43 | mrwoody | well never mind... I will try to convince my wife to disable wep for a while |
| 04:52.04 | mrwoody | when you say that wep doesn't work with 3.2 does it mean that it also doesn't work with <3.2? |
| 04:52.22 | W8TVI | dont know |
| 04:52.26 | W8TVI | never tried it |
| 04:52.38 | mrwoody | how do you know it doesn't work in 3.2? |
| 04:52.49 | W8TVI | becouse I use OZ 3.2 |
| 04:54.28 | mrwoody | and i guess you tested with/without wep |
| 04:54.38 | W8TVI | yep |
| 04:54.46 | mrwoody | okie.. Thanks a lot for your help |
| 04:54.48 | mrwoody | i appreciate that |
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| 04:57.27 | mrwoody | btw, can you tell me why in my wife computer the connection always hang up? |
| 04:58.21 | W8TVI | no |
| 04:59.54 | mrwoody | W8TVI: i just disabled wep and still same results |
| 05:00.10 | mrwoody | W8TVI: can you please tell me what appears when you do route -n |
| 05:00.10 | W8TVI | make sure wep is off on both |
| 05:00.32 | mrwoody | yes it is off |
| 05:00.41 | mrwoody | also appears in kismet |
| 05:01.30 | mrwoody | i can only ping myself |
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| 05:01.53 | W8TVI | # route -n |
| 05:01.53 | W8TVI | Kernel IP routing table |
| 05:01.53 | W8TVI | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 05:01.53 | W8TVI | 10.0.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 wlan0 |
| 05:01.53 | W8TVI | 0.0.0.0 10.0.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 wlan0 |
| 05:01.54 | W8TVI | # |
| 05:02.12 | TCMAN | W8TVI! |
| 05:02.20 | W8TVI | TCMAN! |
| 05:02.49 | mrwoody | instead of 10.0.1.0 i get 192.168.123.0 |
| 05:02.58 | mrwoody | is that normal? |
| 05:03.08 | W8TVI | yeah |
| 05:03.21 | W8TVI | I'm using a linux server as my router |
| 05:03.48 | mrwoody | i see |
| 05:03.57 | mrwoody | but i cannot ping my linux desktop |
| 05:04.23 | W8TVI | can you ping 192.168.123.1? |
| 05:05.10 | mrwoody | yes |
| 05:05.43 | W8TVI | ping 66.218.71.198 |
| 05:06.11 | mrwoody | no i can't |
| 05:06.34 | W8TVI | show me your route in #flood |
| 05:06.47 | mrwoody | my route in my zaurus? |
| 05:06.54 | mrwoody | it is very similar to yours |
| 05:07.04 | mrwoody | but i cannot paste it... i do not have connection from my zaurus |
| 05:07.13 | mrwoody | do i need to do something with iptables? |
| 05:07.35 | W8TVI | what does the 0.0.0.0 line look like? |
| 05:07.59 | W8TVI | your router is a router device, right? |
| 05:08.21 | mrwoody | 0.0.0.0 192.168.123.254 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 wlan0 |
| 05:08.34 | mrwoody | exactly like yours... except for the 192... |
| 05:08.41 | W8TVI | whats the IP address of the router? |
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| 05:09.23 | mrwoody | how can i find that out? |
| 05:09.46 | W8TVI | what do you connect to to change the setting on your router? |
| 05:10.02 | mrwoody | one moment |
| 05:10.40 | W8TVI | if you connect to a host name, ping the host name and tell me what ip address it pings |
| 05:10.40 | mrwoody | 192.168.253.101 |
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| 05:10.51 | kc8pxy | W8TVI: QSO |
| 05:11.10 | mrwoody | host name like? |
| 05:11.13 | W8TVI | kc8pxy: too much QRM at the moment |
| 05:11.18 | W8TVI | never mind |
| 05:11.25 | kc8pxy | W8TVI: k.. mebbe later |
| 05:11.45 | W8TVI | you have a linux box hooked to the router? |
| 05:12.21 | mrwoody | the linux box is hooked to the dsl directly |
| 05:12.38 | W8TVI | ??? |
| 05:12.52 | mrwoody | what's wrong? |
| 05:13.20 | W8TVI | you said the router was the wireless ap |
| 05:13.21 | kc8pxy | he has a linux box connected to his DSL modem |
| 05:13.27 | W8TVI | I understand that |
| 05:13.39 | mrwoody | yes |
| 05:13.52 | mrwoody | + a notebook with windows using the same router |
| 05:13.54 | mrwoody | what is wrong? |
| 05:13.59 | kc8pxy | probably like me.. i have a linksys WAP route. |
| 05:14.04 | kc8pxy | router |
| 05:14.13 | mrwoody | me usrobotics |
| 05:14.25 | W8TVI | I have a linksys ap/router that I dont use the router, my linux box is the router |
| 05:14.42 | mrwoody | okie... never mind |
| 05:14.44 | kc8pxy | soo.. what's the desired task?? OZ via WAP?? |
| 05:14.47 | mrwoody | need to go and sleep |
| 05:15.20 | treke|home | for a linux box, the linksys routers do a crappy job :p |
| 05:15.25 | kc8pxy | W8TVI: you have zgcc?? |
| 05:15.34 | W8TVI | kc8pxy, nope |
| 05:17.13 | W8TVI | you would think that someone thats using a linux box as a router would be able to explain their network setup |
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| 05:19.08 | kc8pxy | W8TVI: i concur. |
| 05:19.32 | kc8pxy | W8TVI: unless they is a script-junkie. |
| 05:19.41 | W8TVI | heh |
| 05:20.53 | W8TVI | I have a toshiba sg20 rh7.3 server |
| 05:21.17 | W8TVI | I have 3 PCs hooked into that and a linksys router/ap for wireless |
| 05:22.10 | W8TVI | the sg20 is my dhcp, samba, ftp, apache, and DNS caching server |
| 05:22.14 | W8TVI | squid too |
| 05:22.31 | kc8pxy | i have yet to use squid ehhectively |
| 05:22.37 | W8TVI | heh |
| 05:22.45 | W8TVI | toshiba have it set up nicely |
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| 05:31.33 | TCMAN | W8TVI: what do you use for dns ? i use dnsmasq |
| 05:32.00 | W8TVI | bind I think |
| 05:32.59 | TCMAN | W8TVI: rather overkill for home network :) |
| 05:33.17 | W8TVI | heh |
| 05:34.00 | TCMAN | W8TVI: check out dnsmasq, its a simple dns forwarder but it also monitors dhcp leases file for names and local /etc/hosts |
| 05:34.45 | W8TVI | well this is setup is working for m |
| 05:34.47 | W8TVI | me |
| 05:35.39 | W8TVI | TCMAN, lock your factiod |
| 05:35.45 | TCMAN | well, at least you learned bind |
| 05:36.05 | W8TVI | do: ibot lock TCMAN |
| 05:36.26 | W8TVI | if you lock it, only you can change it |
| 05:36.27 | W8TVI | :) |
| 05:38.19 | TCMAN | W8TVI: well, i dont care |
| 05:38.32 | kergoth | heh, it used to be horribly broken |
| 05:38.43 | kergoth | tim disabled all locking capability |
| 05:38.45 | kergoth | with my factoid locked |
| 05:38.50 | kergoth | so even i couldnt edit it :) |
| 05:39.07 | W8TVI | I just locked mine, and it still let me edit it |
| 05:39.13 | kergoth | yes. |
| 05:39.17 | kergoth | i said "used to", didnt i? |
| 05:39.20 | TCMAN | kergoth: hello |
| 05:39.23 | W8TVI | heh |
| 05:39.24 | kergoth | hey TCMAN |
| 05:39.30 | W8TVI | I got a head ache |
| 05:41.43 | W8TVI | ibot: headache |
| 05:41.45 | | not tonight w8tvi, I got a modem. |
| 05:41.57 | kergoth | hah |
| 05:42.04 | W8TVI | er |
| 05:42.05 | W8TVI | ibot: headache |
| 05:42.06 | | not tonight w8tvi, I've got a modem. |
| 05:42.10 | W8TVI | better |
| 05:42.50 | W8TVI | :) |
| 05:43.00 | offroadgeek | holy crap... 3.3.4 is beautiful too! |
| 05:43.36 | TCMAN | offroadgeek: is it really that nice? flashing from MD is so slow |
| 05:44.43 | offroadgeek | oh yes... it's awesome... I'll never flash to anything else :) |
| 05:45.29 | W8TVI | yeah you will |
| 05:45.38 | W8TVI | when 3.3.5 is out |
| 05:45.39 | offroadgeek | ok... maybe to 3.3.5 |
| 05:45.42 | offroadgeek | :) |
| 05:45.54 | offroadgeek | I wonder how well it syncs... |
| 05:46.05 | W8TVI | its really nice... other than the APM problems |
| 05:46.14 | W8TVI | better than 3.2 |
| 05:46.49 | ljp | my images use the old kernel and dont have those small bugs |
| 05:47.03 | W8TVI | "small bugs"? |
| 05:47.13 | ljp | 2.4.18 isnt finished yet |
| 05:47.17 | ljp | for collie |
| 05:47.29 | kergoth | 2.4.18 has mostly integration issues |
| 05:47.37 | W8TVI | locking up solid is a small bug? |
| 05:47.38 | W8TVI | lol |
| 05:47.53 | W8TVI | its really fast without doc tab |
| 05:48.13 | ljp | well, thats why it locks up |
| 05:49.56 | ljp | my ofileselector docstab was fast and didnt lock up |
| 05:50.20 | W8TVI | ~old |
| 05:50.23 | | There are three ways of knowing you're getting really old: One is memory loss . . . . and I've forgotten the other two. |
| 05:50.35 | W8TVI | ljp: doc tab is gone :) |
| 05:50.45 | ljp | not really |
| 05:50.54 | W8TVI | well turned off |
| 05:50.56 | TCMAN | is 3.3.4 any better with sd card ? |
| 05:51.02 | ljp | it needs to be there, otherwise you get lock ups |
| 05:51.07 | kergoth | "better with sd card"? |
| 05:51.16 | ljp | because other classes depends on it |
| 05:51.18 | kergoth | we still use sharp's drivers. nothing has changed on that front |
| 05:51.46 | TCMAN | kergoth: crap, because 3.2 used to corrupt my sd cards |
| 05:52.07 | kergoth | good luck getting sharp to fix it |
| 05:52.16 | W8TVI | I refuse to use any programs that use crappy palmos type file serch |
| 05:52.17 | kergoth | itll improve when we switch drivers for 2.4.21 on colllie |
| 05:52.19 | TCMAN | kergoth: so my last invention was a sync and wait and sd card unmount in suspend script |
| 05:52.39 | heatxsink | for the suspend / resume bug in the 3.3.5-RC1 rom Deinstall usbd-common right after booting for the first time <---wouldn't that make access through the USB cradle break? |
| 05:52.47 | ljp | I should really look into reimplementing my docstab |
| 05:53.22 | W8TVI | heatxsink, who uses the cradle? |
| 05:53.25 | ljp | and I could probably find where its locking up without it |
| 05:53.27 | TCMAN | heatxsink: like anyone uses the cradle :) |
| 05:53.30 | heatxsink | haha |
| 05:53.32 | heatxsink | okay |
| 05:53.37 | heatxsink | true.. |
| 05:53.39 | ljp | I use the cradle |
| 05:54.08 | heatxsink | I use the cradle |
| 05:54.09 | heatxsink | hahha |
| 05:54.10 | heatxsink | oh well |
| 05:54.19 | heatxsink | I have 802.11b card |
| 05:54.25 | heatxsink | i'll hopefuly get that to work |
| 05:57.05 | ljp | mmmmmm espresso |
| 05:58.08 | heatxsink | haha |
| 05:58.09 | heatxsink | not a bad idea |
| 05:58.11 | heatxsink | hrmm.. |
| 05:58.14 | heatxsink | I should make some coffee |
| 05:58.19 | heatxsink | it's gonna be a long night! |
| 05:58.20 | heatxsink | haha |
| 05:58.45 | heatxsink | TCMAN: how ya been? |
| 06:00.10 | TCMAN | heatxsink: great, quite busy at work, but great |
| 06:00.50 | heatxsink | TCMAN: asme |
| 06:00.54 | heatxsink | TCMAN: same* |
| 06:01.23 | TCMAN | heatxsink: actually i am very busy at work but i still got 3:05 time in mahjongg |
| 06:01.49 | heatxsink | TCMAN: sweet |
| 06:01.50 | TCMAN | busy = code code, then compile compile, then run chip emulation :) |
| 06:02.11 | heatxsink | TCMAN: i've been doing a kinds of optimization with .NET xml crap |
| 06:02.18 | TCMAN | and the compile and run time give me plenty time for surfing and mahjongg :) |
| 06:02.23 | heatxsink | TCMAN: people have been using DOM's all over the place |
| 06:02.31 | heatxsink | sweet |
| 06:02.32 | zakk | treke|ho1e: installed the rc |
| 06:03.18 | treke|ho1e | cool. |
| 06:03.29 | W8TVI | cool |
| 06:03.46 | W8TVI | 3.3.5rc1 is usable if you get rid of usbd crap! |
| 06:03.57 | treke|ho1e | W8TVI: so far I have the shutdown stuff written |
| 06:04.16 | W8TVI | cool |
| 06:06.13 | heatxsink | pretty cool |
| 06:06.15 | heatxsink | I like this new rom |
| 06:06.17 | heatxsink | it's awesome |
| 06:08.28 | heatxsink | TCMAN: how long are your complie runs? |
| 06:09.40 | TCMAN | heatxsink: full compile maybe 1 hour or more |
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| 06:10.49 | TCMAN | heatxsink: then the run depends on the complexit of what i do, 1 minute up to hours and hours |
| 06:12.11 | heatxsink | anyone know if I put in a WEP key do I need to put those ":" inbetween every two hex numbers? |
| 06:16.33 | kergoth | no :'s. just the hex value. no 0x prefix, no seperator |
| 06:17.20 | W8TVI | that was werid... |
| 06:17.25 | zakk | wtf |
| 06:17.32 | zakk | I restarted opie and it gave me the first start stuff again |
| 06:17.50 | W8TVI | it said my cf card was an unsupport card |
| 06:18.04 | W8TVI | but I ejected it and reinserted it and its fine |
| 06:18.54 | W8TVI | kergoth: can you make 3.3.5rc1 echo stuff to the screen like on a desktop box during boot? |
| 06:19.16 | kergoth | no release OZ is going to be overly verbose. |
| 06:19.29 | kergoth | just rebuild the kernel with console=tty1 instead of null |
| 06:19.58 | W8TVI | how hard is it to rebuild the kernel? |
| 06:20.41 | W8TVI | I'm guessing I need the cross compile chain and all that |
| 06:20.51 | W8TVI | and kernel sources |
| 06:21.10 | W8TVI | but I've never compiled a kernel before |
| 06:24.12 | TCMAN | will hostap module be ever upgraded ? |
| 06:24.19 | W8TVI | I doubt it |
| 06:24.34 | W8TVI | we'll be forever at version 0.0.0 |
| 06:25.23 | TCMAN | no its 2002-09 something, and the latest is like 0.1.2 |
| 06:27.00 | TCMAN | it is a year old or worse |
| 06:28.32 | zakk | treke|home: I think this suspend thing in the readme for the rc must be what I was hitting before perhaps |
| 06:29.10 | treke|home | What, it was take 10-15 seconds to suspend? |
| 06:29.14 | zakk | no |
| 06:29.19 | zakk | it locked up or something before |
| 06:29.21 | zakk | I can't remember |
| 06:29.26 | W8TVI | locked up |
| 06:29.48 | W8TVI | just get rid of usbd and your fine |
| 06:29.52 | zakk | yup |
| 06:29.58 | zakk | did that |
| 06:30.02 | zakk | it is fine, now |
| 06:30.13 | zakk | but I had been trying stuff treke put together for me before, and that never worked |
| 06:32.05 | TCMAN | opie installer keeps complaining about some status.tmp file with every install |
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| 06:34.42 | TCMAN | opie medialplayer2 doesnt install because there is no libstdc in packages :( |
| 06:34.54 | zakk | force it |
| 06:34.56 | zakk | deps |
| 06:35.08 | TCMAN | ok |
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| 06:44.17 | zakk | hm |
| 06:44.25 | zakk | opiemediaplayer2 appears to have other problems |
| 06:44.29 | zakk | TCMAN: did it work for you? |
| 06:44.38 | zakk | mine installed, but the binary isn't |
| 06:44.53 | ljp | http://www.sendthemback.org/ |
| 06:45.00 | TCMAN | zakk: nope |
| 06:45.15 | zakk | hah |
| 06:45.26 | zakk | ljp: http://www.timedoctor.org/ |
| 06:45.36 | zakk | TCMAN: looks like this package is just hosed |
| 06:45.41 | zakk | I blame treke. |
| 06:51.33 | TCMAN | he got scared |
| 06:52.05 | zakk | yeah |
| 07:05.50 | W8TVI | ljp: RIAA to the world: We are babys. Your taking our candy. WAAAAAH!!!!! |
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| 07:20.26 | TCMAN | hmm, it scripts in /etc/apm/suspend.d do not run on suspend anymore |
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| 07:32.28 | heatxsink | TCMAN: what do you use to access your zaurus, since you don't use the cradle? |
| 07:33.30 | heatxsink | W8TVI: so I take it your Z is always plugged into the charger cable? |
| 07:33.45 | W8TVI | not always |
| 07:33.55 | heatxsink | hrmm |
| 07:34.21 | heatxsink | is it just me or the message boards on sourceforge took a dumb? |
| 07:34.22 | heatxsink | opps |
| 07:34.23 | heatxsink | dump |
| 07:34.24 | heatxsink | * |
| 07:34.34 | W8TVI | I can get about 2 hours out of a charge with wireless |
| 07:34.37 | W8TVI | yep |
| 07:34.41 | W8TVI | oh.. |
| 07:34.41 | W8TVI | no |
| 07:34.45 | W8TVI | I dont know |
| 07:42.13 | TCMAN | heatxsink: i usually use wifi card |
| 07:42.40 | heatxsink | nice |
| 07:43.16 | heatxsink | TCMAN or W8TVI: do either of you use WEP with your wifi cards? |
| 07:43.45 | W8TVI | nope |
| 07:44.41 | TCMAN | heatxsink: of course i use 128 bit wep |
| 07:45.22 | heatxsink | TCMAN: ahhh my man...i'm in need of some help |
| 07:45.23 | W8TVI | TCMAN, what are you using for a setup? |
| 07:45.39 | heatxsink | 802.11b |
| 07:45.43 | heatxsink | using 128 |
| 07:45.44 | heatxsink | but wep |
| 07:45.48 | heatxsink | opps bit wep* |
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| 07:46.08 | W8TVI | what zaurus, what oz? |
| 07:46.17 | TCMAN | W8TVI: i use netgear pci wifi card in my firewall with hostap driver |
| 07:46.20 | heatxsink | OZ |
| 07:46.51 | TCMAN | W8TVI: i want to figure out how to use open1x and free radius and switch to 802.1x too |
| 07:47.13 | kestrel | hi guys! is there any FAQ on how to build the buildroot? I keep on getting tons of problems (patch errors, compilation errors) |
| 07:47.28 | heatxsink | TCMAN: in the applet, when filling in the WEP key do you put ":" in between every two hex characters? |
| 07:47.28 | kestrel | patch errors on APMD, on OPIE |
| 07:47.38 | heatxsink | yup |
| 07:47.40 | TCMAN | heatxsink: no, just hex numbers |
| 07:47.51 | kestrel | I just got it from the BKBIT distribution... and it's a big frustration |
| 07:49.16 | heatxsink | okay |
| 07:49.29 | heatxsink | TCMAN: do you have your SSID broacasted, or closed? |
| 07:49.55 | kestrel | who maintains this BKBITs anyway?> |
| 07:49.58 | TCMAN | heatxsink: broadcasted |
| 07:50.16 | TCMAN | heatxsink: hmm its only one iwpriv command to disable the broadcast |
| 07:50.44 | kestrel | anyone there> |
| 07:50.45 | kestrel | ? |
| 07:51.26 | heatxsink | kestrel: it's tough |
| 07:51.27 | heatxsink | haha |
| 07:51.36 | TCMAN | kestrel: it never works, better ask kergoth in #openembedded (and get smacked) :))) |
| 07:51.59 | heatxsink | kestrel: TCMAN is right...all of this week i was trying to buildroot |
| 07:52.07 | kestrel | then, where did the OZ-3.3.5 RC1 come from?> |
| 07:52.15 | kestrel | from the buildroot right? |
| 07:52.18 | heatxsink | kestrel: just kept gettin' smacked down on questions |
| 07:52.33 | heatxsink | kestrel: I think it's some other test tree |
| 07:52.53 | heatxsink | kestrel: wait, i'm wrong...it's build root probably |
| 07:53.18 | kestrel | I suggest that whoever maintains that bkbit distro, he might as well remove them |
| 07:53.27 | kestrel | thanks for the reply !! |
| 07:53.28 | kestrel | :D |
| 07:54.25 | W8TVI | TCMAN, mine keeps using the restricted key |
| 07:54.32 | kestrel | btw, how do you guys build the filesystem, once you have all the IPKGs? It's pretty straight forward on the Sharp Zaurus website.. |
| 07:54.34 | W8TVI | and it wont get an ip address |
| 07:54.41 | kestrel | is it the same on OZ? |
| 07:54.50 | kestrel | like what's the structure like on OZ? |
| 07:56.11 | W8TVI | damn... |
| 07:56.16 | W8TVI | it works! |
| 07:57.11 | TCMAN | W8TVI: what works? wep? of course :) |
| 07:57.27 | heatxsink | for some jacked up reason mine won't work |
| 07:57.27 | heatxsink | haha |
| 07:57.29 | W8TVI | yeah |
| 07:57.41 | W8TVI | never could get it to work on 3.2 |
| 07:58.18 | TCMAN | W8TVI: it worked fine in 3.2 |
| 07:58.30 | TCMAN | W8TVI: the network settings applet sucks, but it works |
| 07:58.33 | W8TVI | not on mine |
| 07:58.43 | heatxsink | W8TVI: did you use the applet? |
| 07:58.45 | heatxsink | or the script? |
| 07:58.51 | W8TVI | yep |
| 07:58.58 | W8TVI | applet |
| 07:59.21 | heatxsink | damn |
| 07:59.24 | heatxsink | mine is jacked up |
| 07:59.27 | heatxsink | but I have a linksys card |
| 07:59.36 | heatxsink | it worked with this other access point |
| 07:59.44 | heatxsink | that I have that isn't wep enabled |
| 08:01.42 | TCMAN | i have linksys wcf12 and it works |
| 08:01.45 | W8TVI | hmmm |
| 08:01.50 | TCMAN | it looses connection sometimes |
| 08:01.50 | W8TVI | that sucks |
| 08:01.52 | TCMAN | but works |
| 08:02.12 | W8TVI | with 3.3.5rc1 i cant set wep |
| 08:03.16 | kestrel | I was able to build my own filesystem, with a linux 2.4.21, and flash it... I see the OZ logo, plus the printouts, suddenly, once I begin to tap, zaurus hangs |
| 08:03.22 | kestrel | any ideas? |
| 08:03.40 | kestrel | I was able to build my buildroot, but zaurus hangs, after the printouts,,, any ideas? |
| 08:04.06 | TCMAN | kestrel: maybe its the usb thing from readme ? |
| 08:05.34 | kestrel | which readme? |
| 08:07.15 | kestrel | i don't think so... |
| 08:07.43 | kestrel | I think it has something to do with my Filesystem? |
| 08:07.50 | kestrel | it's corrupted or something... |
| 08:07.52 | TCMAN | kestrel: http://www.openzaurus.org/official/testing/3.3.5-rc1/collie/README.FIRST |
| 08:08.31 | TCMAN | well, 3.3.4 sucks for me :) |
| 08:08.47 | TCMAN | it has weird pauses |
| 08:09.58 | W8TVI | werid... |
| 08:10.10 | W8TVI | I'm only getting 2mbit |
| 08:10.13 | TCMAN | lets try 3.3.5 |
| 08:10.47 | heatxsink | ahh |
| 08:10.48 | heatxsink | you doo? |
| 08:10.49 | TCMAN | W8TVI: hostap tends to do software wep when it doesnt like the card |
| 08:11.03 | heatxsink | perhaps I should get different drivers? |
| 08:11.34 | heatxsink | man this is crap |
| 08:11.40 | W8TVI | I'm using a ambicom wl1100c |
| 08:11.43 | W8TVI | prism2.5 |
| 08:11.54 | heatxsink | W8TVI: what drivers are you using? |
| 08:12.24 | W8TVI | that ones that come with 3.3.4 |
| 08:12.33 | kestrel | hmm, the USB issue doesn't seem to make a diff |
| 08:12.42 | heatxsink | hrmm.. |
| 08:12.51 | W8TVI | there we go... |
| 08:12.57 | W8TVI | bac at 11mbit |
| 08:13.16 | W8TVI | if I trun on wep it slows it wa down |
| 08:13.26 | W8TVI | s/wa/way |
| 08:13.41 | TCMAN | flashing ... |
| 08:14.08 | TCMAN | W8TVI: when hostap things that cards firmware is hosed it runs encryption on cpu |
| 08:14.26 | TCMAN | W8TVI: try flashing newer firmware on your wifi card |
| 08:14.57 | TCMAN | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:17.50 | mouse | http://www.superq.ru/pict/gallery/gif_01.gif |
| 08:19.56 | W8TVI | TCMAN, ambicom doesnt have any new firmware for it |
| 08:21.57 | heatxsink | damn this sucks |
| 08:22.04 | heatxsink | I always buy the wrong friggin' cards |
| 08:22.07 | heatxsink | i swear |
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| 08:25.40 | heatxsink | TCMAN: i take it when the led blinks on any of the wifi cards taht means i'm not on the proper network |
| 08:27.20 | TCMAN | heatxsink: yup, the led should be constant on |
| 08:27.55 | TCMAN | heatxsink: just run iwconfig from commandline and it will tell you what is going on with your wireless |
| 08:28.39 | heatxsink | nope |
| 08:28.42 | heatxsink | not working right |
| 08:29.00 | W8TVI | dang it... I wish I had a use for a bluetooth card for my zaurus... |
| 08:29.09 | heatxsink | W8TVI: you have one? |
| 08:29.17 | W8TVI | 'cause I want one to bluejack people! |
| 08:29.22 | W8TVI | nope |
| 08:29.23 | heatxsink | hahahaha |
| 08:29.34 | heatxsink | W8TVI: I just bought the Socket one today |
| 08:29.46 | heatxsink | W8TVI: i just found out it's a new revision and doesn't work properly |
| 08:29.46 | W8TVI | if I had a phone with BT or something, then I'd have a reason... |
| 08:30.20 | heatxsink | it doesn't even work in my laptop |
| 08:30.20 | heatxsink | ugh |
| 08:30.21 | heatxsink | makes me soo man |
| 08:30.22 | W8TVI | but I dont so I cant see buying a BT card for my zaurus and only use it to bluejack people |
| 08:30.22 | heatxsink | mad.. |
| 08:30.35 | W8TVI | heatxsink, take it back and get the ambicom one |
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| 08:30.40 | W8TVI | I have heard that it works |
| 08:30.47 | heatxsink | W8TVI: I had the ambicom one |
| 08:30.51 | heatxsink | and no it doesn't work |
| 08:30.52 | heatxsink | hahaha |
| 08:30.58 | W8TVI | o_0 |
| 08:31.02 | heatxsink | so frustrating |
| 08:31.21 | W8TVI | I from what I have read, it should work |
| 08:31.26 | heatxsink | well |
| 08:31.32 | heatxsink | I didn't see a driver for it |
| 08:31.39 | heatxsink | soo frustrating.. |
| 08:31.50 | W8TVI | but what I REALLY want is the ambicom CF-GPS :) |
| 08:32.01 | W8TVI | geocaching with my zaurus |
| 08:32.02 | heatxsink | this socket one is nice |
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| 08:32.30 | heatxsink | the form factor of the card is just like a CF you use for data |
| 08:32.48 | heatxsink | it's perfect |
| 08:33.24 | W8TVI | night |
| 08:38.15 | TCMAN | W8TVI: there are lots of $130+-$10 cf gps cards on ebay, different names, two oem designs, i wonder what they are worth |
| 08:47.14 | TCMAN | W8TVI: it seems wifi in 3.3.5 doesnt work for me either |
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| 08:47.39 | heatsink | does anyone use wlan-ng stuff for the Z? |
| 08:51.27 | TCMAN | heatsink: its not a problem with driver, i think the network startup scripts are hosed |
| 08:52.21 | heatsink | damn |
| 08:52.21 | heatsink | really? |
| 08:52.21 | heatsink | for some reason |
| 08:52.30 | TCMAN | i think network applet should generate wireless.opts but it doesnt |
| 08:52.36 | heatsink | right |
| 08:52.43 | heatsink | that's what I was looking at on the Z |
| 08:52.51 | heatsink | doesn't seem to be doing that |
| 08:52.54 | TCMAN | i just tried dlink card and its the same |
| 08:53.16 | heatsink | even though you try to set the WEP and all of that? |
| 08:54.48 | TCMAN | yes |
| 08:55.04 | TCMAN | i think i will try to edit wireless.opts manually and see what happens |
| 08:55.25 | heatsink | sweet |
| 09:00.21 | TCMAN | geez, iwconfig seems to be outdated |
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| 09:04.02 | heatsink | be back in a few |
| 09:05.55 | TCMAN | well, setting parameters with iwconfig works |
| 09:06.02 | TCMAN | i got connection |
| 09:06.21 | TCMAN | so either network scripts are borked or network applet is |
| 09:07.29 | TCMAN | well, /etc/network/interfaces looks good |
| 09:14.45 | TCMAN | well, it looks like 3.3.5 needs some lovin before its usable |
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| 09:41.16 | heatxsink | TCMAN: you htere? |
| 09:41.43 | heatxsink | TCMAN: you have a bluetooth card ? |
| 09:44.19 | TCMAN | yes |
| 09:44.24 | heatxsink | yes you have one? |
| 09:44.25 | TCMAN | nope, no bluetooth here |
| 09:44.28 | heatxsink | ugh |
| 09:44.33 | TCMAN | i am here though :) |
| 09:44.38 | heatxsink | nice |
| 09:44.58 | TCMAN | heatxsink: but i will have when i will get logitech dinovo keyboard :) |
| 09:45.14 | heatxsink | sweet |
| 09:45.16 | heatxsink | I saw that |
| 09:45.44 | TCMAN | it is still not released, i hope its not vaporware |
| 09:46.07 | heatxsink | I saw it at Fry's |
| 09:46.10 | heatxsink | in San Jose |
| 09:46.18 | heatxsink | TCMAN: go check it out it's by the laptops |
| 09:46.31 | TCMAN | heatxsink: no way, i checked at sunnyvale frys today |
| 09:47.02 | heatxsink | I frequent the Sunnyvale one..and it wasn't there |
| 09:47.09 | heatxsink | wait.. |
| 09:47.18 | heatxsink | it's at the Campbell Fry's |
| 09:47.20 | heatxsink | that's right |
| 09:47.28 | heatxsink | that's not too much further |
| 09:47.54 | TCMAN | well, i'll just wait till it arrives to sunnyvale :) |
| 09:48.03 | heatxsink | haha |
| 09:48.03 | TCMAN | it cant be long |
| 09:50.57 | TCMAN | heatxsink: where do you live ? |
| 09:51.34 | heatxsink | Santa Clara |
| 09:52.48 | TCMAN | me in sunnyvale, but i work in satan ;-) clara |
| 09:52.56 | heatxsink | oh sweet |
| 09:53.04 | heatxsink | how's sunnyvale as far a livin? |
| 09:54.50 | heatxsink | I work in campbell |
| 09:55.15 | TCMAN | small, quiet |
| 09:55.32 | TCMAN | not too expensive, but i guess apartment prices are the same all over valley |
| 09:55.42 | heatxsink | santa clara seems to have pretty good prices |
| 09:55.51 | heatxsink | people say santa clara is kinda ghetto |
| 09:55.52 | TCMAN | couple bars on murphy streets in downtown |
| 09:55.57 | heatxsink | right.. |
| 09:56.39 | TCMAN | heatxsink: well, probably not as bad as east palo alto or some places in san jose ? :))) |
| 09:56.54 | heatxsink | correct |
| 09:57.00 | TCMAN | sunnyvale is like twice smaller than santa clara |
| 09:57.01 | heatxsink | I'd think that santa clara isn't ghetto at all |
| 09:57.03 | heatxsink | actually.. |
| 09:57.08 | heatxsink | but.. |
| 09:57.21 | TCMAN | about 60k people in sunnyvale, and 100k in santa clara i think |
| 09:57.35 | heatxsink | perhaps my understanding of ghetto is different |
| 09:58.26 | lpotter | hehee |
| 09:58.29 | TCMAN | well, back there in poland i lived for couple years in a quarter of a city called the triangle |
| 09:58.36 | TCMAN | after the bermuda triangle :) |
| 09:58.44 | heatxsink | whoa |
| 09:59.29 | TCMAN | poor students do not have much choice, my buddy had an apartment there and rented a room to me for quite decent price :) |
| 09:59.47 | heatxsink | yup |
| 09:59.49 | heatxsink | that's what im' doing |
| 10:00.09 | heatxsink | oh well |
| 10:01.57 | TCMAN | heatxsink: are you still studying ? |
| 10:02.13 | heatxsink | nope |
| 10:02.22 | heatxsink | graduated this past june |
| 10:02.26 | heatxsink | feels great to be out |
| 10:02.30 | heatxsink | it was tough finding a job |
| 10:02.59 | TCMAN | heatxsink: i can imagine, what did you study ? |
| 10:03.12 | heatxsink | Electrical and Computer Engineering |
| 10:03.18 | heatxsink | I really wanted to do hardware |
| 10:03.25 | heatxsink | or like embedded systems |
| 10:04.02 | heatxsink | but right now i'm doing C# and .NET development |
| 10:04.02 | TCMAN | well, job market seems to be picking up now |
| 10:04.07 | heatxsink | yup |
| 10:04.16 | TCMAN | quite lately we have fired two people |
| 10:04.23 | TCMAN | hired |
| 10:04.26 | TCMAN | crap :) |
| 10:04.36 | heatxsink | eh? |
| 10:04.38 | heatxsink | hired? |
| 10:04.41 | heatxsink | they were just hired? |
| 10:05.01 | TCMAN | yes |
| 10:05.05 | TCMAN | one guy started on monday |
| 10:05.11 | heatxsink | oh wow |
| 10:05.16 | heatxsink | and got fired? |
| 10:05.18 | heatxsink | already? |
| 10:05.23 | TCMAN | and another one will start like in a month |
| 10:05.26 | TCMAN | nono |
| 10:05.28 | heatxsink | ahh |
| 10:05.31 | heatxsink | you hired someone |
| 10:05.32 | heatxsink | sweet |
| 10:05.33 | TCMAN | freudian slip :) |
| 10:05.36 | heatxsink | gotcha |
| 10:05.45 | heatxsink | wow |
| 10:05.55 | heatxsink | cool |
| 10:05.59 | heatxsink | what company is this again |
| 10:06.01 | heatxsink | ?? |
| 10:06.10 | lpotter | ired?! thats inconceivable! |
| 10:06.20 | lpotter | s/ired/hired |
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| 10:46.26 | kNIGits | g'evening all |
| 10:46.59 | TCMAN | how can i exit damn opie to the console now :))) |
| 10:47.05 | kNIGits | can someone please point me to the right FAQ to learn how to install a single ipk that's on a CF card? |
| 10:47.21 | TCMAN | and why removing opie-login doesnt remove the opie login screen |
| 10:47.21 | zakk | it should show up in aqpkg |
| 10:47.27 | TCMAN | inquiring minds want to know :) |
| 10:47.39 | kNIGits | where in aqpkg? |
| 10:47.46 | TCMAN | local packages |
| 10:48.22 | kNIGits | local IPKG ? |
| 10:48.42 | zakk | it's in the dropdown on the top right |
| 10:48.55 | TCMAN | kNIGits: in package manager there is dropdown listbox, which goes like installed packages, stable packages and local packages |
| 10:49.02 | kNIGits | yup, I have it selected. there are no packages shown. does it have to be in a certain directory? |
| 10:49.16 | zakk | no |
| 10:50.08 | kNIGits | the ipk I want to install is in the /mnt/cf/packages/ |
| 10:50.19 | kNIGits | is there a HOWTO or a FAQ that explains what I'm missing? |
| 10:50.29 | TCMAN | kNIGits: too bad, just place it into /mnt/cf |
| 10:51.00 | kNIGits | ok, I'll give that a shot. |
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| 10:52.47 | kNIGits | move file, closed package manager and re-opened. no sign of that file |
| 10:53.04 | zakk | check your media mount setting |
| 10:55.20 | kNIGits | I need to re-scan the cf card, right? |
| 10:56.07 | zakk | hai |
| 10:56.28 | kNIGits | ok, getting that done. thank you kindly |
| 10:56.48 | TCMAN | good night guys |
| 10:56.52 | zakk | l8r |
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| 10:59.28 | heatsink | anyone know where to get 3.3.4? |
| 11:00.07 | Twiun | 3.3.5 you mean? |
| 11:00.11 | Twiun | it's not released yet |
| 11:00.18 | heatsink | right |
| 11:00.25 | heatsink | I downloaded 3.3.5 |
| 11:00.31 | heatsink | and...I'd like to check out 3.3.4 |
| 11:00.44 | Twiun | didn't realise there was such a beast |
| 11:01.00 | heatsink | not a released version at least |
| 11:02.47 | Twiun | not heard of a released or unlreleased 3.3.4 - there have been various images created with Opie 1.0.2 for instance, but not numbered by the OZ/OE team to my knowledge |
| 11:03.13 | Twiun | and 3.3.5 is the first with 2.4.18 (other than George's hack ;)) |
| 11:03.26 | kNIGits | I've found that package. thank you for your help, zakk. |
| 11:05.03 | zakk | sure |
| 11:09.11 | heatsink | george's hack? |
| 11:10.44 | Twiun | yeah, he'd made a 5x00 zImage with 2.4.18 but it wasn't working great |
| 11:10.51 | Twiun | and he lost the .config file for it |
| 11:11.14 | heatsink | ugh |
| 11:11.16 | Twiun | the new 2.4.18 stuff, done by mickeyl is in the buildroot |
| 11:11.20 | heatsink | oh man that bites |
| 11:11.26 | heatsink | ahh |
| 11:11.33 | heatsink | that guy was on here earlier |
| 11:11.36 | heatsink | that makes sense.. |
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| 13:47.22 | noidd | dan, yes |
| 13:47.38 | noidd | collie, corgi, husky are the various machines |
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| 16:55.10 | chouimat | morning |
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| 17:20.51 | awallace | what does OZ do when a SD card that was not properly unmounted is inserted? |
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| 17:23.05 | awallace | The thing is that I installed rc1 yesterday, then moved it allto SD to boot from it. Today I installed something that evidently broke opie cus it will not stat, so i reset and have to remove the sd, now I can't insert it without opie trying to mont it and spend eternity in the process... |
| 17:24.02 | kergoth | opie doesnt mount anything. |
| 17:25.14 | awallace | well |
| 17:25.28 | awallace | i commented out the fstab line for the sd |
| 17:25.48 | awallace | what else can I do to prevent linux from mounting the sd? |
| 17:26.22 | awallace | Is it normal to hang if the SD was not properly unmounted? |
| 17:26.49 | kergoth | it shouldnt hang. |
| 17:27.00 | kergoth | the 'sdmgr' daemon manages the card |
| 17:27.09 | awallace | i've reflashed twice and the same happened. |
| 17:27.14 | awallace | ok |
| 17:27.15 | kergoth | sharp's closed source daemon |
| 17:27.31 | awallace | is it possible to stop it? |
| 17:27.48 | awallace | sorry |
| 17:28.12 | kergoth | kill it? afaik there isnt alot of control you can exert over it |
| 17:28.25 | awallace | ok. |
| 17:28.30 | awallace | I'll try that. |
| 17:29.25 | awallace | One other thing. When i stop opie, i can't log in. The keyboard doesn't respond as It should... Some weird chars are typed sometimes, but most of the times nothing is written to the screen when the keyboard is pressed. |
| 17:29.48 | awallace | what i wanted to do is an fsck on the sd |
| 17:29.55 | kergoth | thats odd. that shouldnt _ever_ occur.. |
| 17:30.05 | kergoth | qte is always supposed to clean up the console keyboard before exiting |
| 17:30.11 | kergoth | do you have opie-login installed? |
| 17:30.11 | awallace | Its very frustrating :( |
| 17:30.21 | awallace | kergoth: yes |
| 17:30.42 | awallace | but even if i select the "Quit" option on it, i don't get a console I can work with. |
| 17:30.49 | kergoth | uninstall opie-login |
| 17:30.54 | kergoth | it does .. odd things |
| 17:30.59 | awallace | ok. |
| 17:31.01 | kergoth | then see if you can exit normally |
| 17:31.24 | awallace | i wanted to exit to see if the SD would not be mounted then, but it might for what you mentioned right? |
| 17:31.31 | awallace | which is hanging the system. |
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| 17:31.48 | kergoth | yep, as i said opie doesnt do anything with it |
| 17:31.56 | chouimat | http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/11/21/Consumers/power_lines031121 |
| 17:31.58 | kergoth | it just monitors /etc/mtab to see when it gets mounted on insert |
| 17:32.29 | awallace | ok, so kill the cardmg deamon I should. |
| 17:32.34 | kergoth | no. |
| 17:32.39 | kergoth | cardmgr is pcmcia/cf |
| 17:32.42 | kergoth | i said sdmgr |
| 17:32.46 | awallace | right, sorry |
| 17:33.22 | awallace | it's sad that i could break opie, I was liking what i had installed. |
| 17:33.55 | awallace | don't know what it was, my closest guess is libsdl |
| 17:34.54 | awallace | libsdl, sorry |
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| 17:37.56 | awallace | kergoth: thanks a lot for the help, I'll give all that a try, hopefully it will let me fsck the card, but don't know if I will able to fix that setup. The think is that whatever broke opie, won't let me login any way at all. |
| 17:38.15 | kergoth | np |
| 17:38.27 | awallace | is there a "single mode" in oz? |
| 17:38.31 | awallace | single user |
| 17:38.40 | kergoth | how would you get to it? |
| 17:38.50 | kergoth | you cant just 'linux single' since you have no access to the bootloader |
| 17:39.11 | awallace | i see.. .so no way to prevent opie from starting right? |
| 17:39.23 | kergoth | remove the startup script links.. |
| 17:39.34 | kergoth | rm -f /etc/rc*.d/S*opie |
| 17:39.34 | awallace | i guess if i mount the sd and edit the startup script... right. |
| 17:39.37 | kergoth | rm -f /etc/rc*.d/S*opie* |
| 17:39.38 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:39.41 | kergoth | yep |
| 17:40.06 | awallace | ok, I'll try that, maybe then i can try uninstalling all i installed to see if i can get it back. |
| 17:40.53 | awallace | one last question and I'll stop bothering you for now: When rc-1 becomes release, would one have to reflash to go to it? |
| 17:41.40 | kergoth | reflashing is always the recommended upgrade path. it isnt always required, but is always recommended |
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| 17:42.31 | awallace | ok, that means also reinstalling all aps if i'm booting from the sd i guess |
| 17:42.39 | awallace | Thanks again! |
| 17:42.46 | kergoth | np |
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| 20:21.58 | xconduct | just installed 3.3.5 looks good guys well done....will test |
| 20:24.55 | Twiun | good, bug reports to the oz or opie mailing list as appropriate ;) |
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| 21:07.10 | chuckr | Sorry for the newbie question, but the website cautions you should save your present rom before flashing, but doesn't say how ... |
| 21:07.26 | kergoth | chuckr: where does it say that? |
| 21:07.45 | chuckr | I don't recall, I;'ve been looking for how to save it for 2 days now. |
| 21:07.58 | kergoth | um, tar? |
| 21:08.43 | chuckr | I don't know if it's accessible as a filesystem object, or a area of memory, or some special application, or what. |
| 21:09.21 | kergoth | what? |
| 21:09.23 | chuckr | I just bought the 760 and the only thing hollding me up from flashing is this questions |
| 21:09.43 | kergoth | you dont need to back up anything. the 760 rom updates are available online. if you need to go back to sharp, download them and flash them |
| 21:10.35 | chuckr | I think I shold explain, my son had grabbed an ealier zaurus of mine and turned it into a brick, so I'm being cautious before I brick it up too (he'd named zImage wrong) |
| 21:10.48 | mickeyl | brick? |
| 21:10.48 | kergoth | naming zimage wrong is not bricking it |
| 21:10.49 | mickeyl | how that |
| 21:10.54 | kergoth | its making it unbootable temporarily |
| 21:10.55 | mickeyl | you can always flash again |
| 21:10.59 | kergoth | "brick" is permanent |
| 21:11.33 | chuckr | it refused to wake up for 5 days, I finally found out that, if I REALLY tried (8 times in a row) to reset it, it would take |
| 21:12.03 | kergoth | again, if you mess up a flash, you just reflash. |
| 21:12.09 | chuckr | this reallyy happened, fellas, I didn't make it up |
| 21:12.17 | kergoth | you're not listening. |
| 21:12.31 | kergoth | if you mess up a flash, you reflash. if you hosed something, it wasnt the flash process that did it. |
| 21:12.41 | kergoth | or you're mistaken about what you think happened. |
| 21:12.51 | chuckr | perhaps it wasn't the fact of his misnaming the zimage, he'll like that, but it wouuldnt 'awaken for 5 days |
| 21:12.52 | kergoth | regardless it wasnt bricked. once AGAIN, brick implies permanence. |
| 21:12.53 | W8TVI | chuckr: kergoth knows what he is talking about |
| 21:12.57 | kergoth | "awaken"? |
| 21:13.07 | chuckr | it would not show a light |
| 21:13.15 | kergoth | so what? |
| 21:13.17 | W8TVI | "a light"? |
| 21:13.19 | kergoth | you just reflash. |
| 21:13.27 | chuckr | it did not react to the otuside world in any fashion whatsoever |
| 21:13.30 | kergoth | a c7x0 unit that doesnt boot into linux isnt a problem. |
| 21:13.37 | chuckr | it was a 5600 |
| 21:13.44 | kergoth | 5600 is identical wrt flash process. |
| 21:13.56 | chuckr | this happened, how do you explain it? |
| 21:14.09 | kergoth | I explain it through your obvious misunderstanding of the situation. |
| 21:14.19 | kergoth | the fact that it doesnt *turn on* does not mean its dead. |
| 21:14.33 | chuckr | that's entirely possible, but the fact of it being unresponsive for 5 days was a slight problem |
| 21:14.36 | kergoth | you use one of the two flash procedures to flash again |
| 21:14.39 | kergoth | wrong. |
| 21:14.42 | W8TVI | chuckr: you said it worked again after 5 days. you DID NOT brick it |
| 21:14.45 | kergoth | it was responsive, just not to what you were trying to do. |
| 21:14.47 | chuckr | it would not wkae up to flash, darn it |
| 21:15.20 | chuckr | it acted as if it was entirely out of power |
| 21:15.21 | W8TVI | chuckr: you DID NOT brick it, DAMN YOU. LISTEN!!! |
| 21:15.29 | kergoth | chuckr: then that had nothing to do with the flash. |
| 21:15.32 | ljp | details.. who cares |
| 21:15.34 | kergoth | flashing cannot cause that behavior |
| 21:15.35 | W8TVI | then you CHARGE it |
| 21:15.44 | chuckr | OK, I belive you |
| 21:15.50 | ljp | the real point is, he was having difficulties |
| 21:15.57 | chuckr | it was not out of power, it just refused to awaken |
| 21:16.13 | W8TVI | chuckr: how do you know it was out of power? |
| 21:16.18 | kergoth | the device wasnt suspended. it didnt refuse to awaken. |
| 21:16.21 | chuckr | the other guys' right, forget it, it's not important |
| 21:16.39 | W8TVI | ~lart chuckr |
| 21:16.40 | ljp | I have seen that, but taking the battery out for a few mintues and then back in and charging did the trick |
| 21:17.08 | ljp | sometime the Z can get into a limbo state |
| 21:17.13 | W8TVI | ljp: when mine was flat, I had to keep plugging and unpluging untill it would keep charging |
| 21:17.20 | chuckr | (the thing that's confusing me is, you guys keep saying i t needed reflashing and ignore the fact that you MUIST have alive box to reflash, not the OS, but at least a hot screen. |
| 21:17.41 | kergoth | the fact is, a device not having sufficient power to get to the flash menu has nothing to do with your actions in the flash process |
| 21:17.44 | ljp | is that Z still not working? |
| 21:17.50 | kergoth | you're making an incorrect correlation |
| 21:18.20 | kergoth | anyway, go ahead and flash. worst case you reflash sharp |
| 21:18.22 | chuckr | it had power, it just acted like it didn't, it finally woke up after I went into a marathon reset period with it, 8 times in a row, when I had a suggestion to that effect from my son |
| 21:18.49 | ljp | I would have told you to take the battery out for a few minutes |
| 21:18.57 | chuckr | that might have worked. |
| 21:18.58 | ljp | and then try again' |
| 21:19.23 | chuckr | anyhow, that thing about saving the rom image, that's false? |
| 21:19.31 | ljp | ya, it would have. I have seen the state you are talking about. and the panic it brings does nothing to calm |
| 21:19.35 | kergoth | what thing? you still havent pointed out where you got this information |
| 21:19.47 | ljp | just have a way to reflash another rom |
| 21:20.20 | ljp | I think he saw that from the ipaq/handhelds site, I believe it talks about saving the rom |
| 21:20.42 | chuckr | If you've never heard of it, it would save me a while trying to hunt it down again. I read on the night before last about it, but I can't recall where anymore. I am probably wrong if you cna't remember anything like that. |
| 21:20.58 | ljp | ehh, dont worry about it... |
| 21:21.02 | chuckr | ok |
| 21:21.28 | ljp | if you have a zaurus, there are roms available to go back |
| 21:21.47 | ljp | oenzaurus doesnt flash the bootloader, so its not as dangerous as you think |
| 21:21.59 | chuckr | Once it woke up, I changed the zimage name to what the website notes said, and it flashed right up |
| 21:22.09 | ljp | ahh, ok |
| 21:22.17 | chuckr | I have a 5600 to sell, actually |
| 21:22.19 | ljp | good |
| 21:22.23 | ljp | :) |
| 21:22.35 | ljp | make it a 6000 and I might buy it |
| 21:22.37 | chuckr | probably go on ebay if there's no immediate callers here. |
| 21:22.48 | chuckr | I'm not pushing |
| 21:23.04 | chuckr | just rying to be polite in making the offer |
| 21:23.11 | ljp | yup. :) |
| 21:23.13 | W8TVI | chuckr: give it to me :) |
| 21:23.14 | yeiazel | 5600's suck |
| 21:23.19 | yeiazel | <== not polite |
| 21:23.30 | W8TVI | I want the case and battery :) |
| 21:23.35 | ljp | you ever tried a 5600? |
| 21:23.44 | W8TVI | no |
| 21:24.15 | yeiazel | I've tried some 5000, 5500s, and C7x0s... then I know what a 5600 is :) |
| 21:24.16 | chuckr | I'm not gonna give it away, but I'm not trying to get new price, either. Would a price of, oh, 200 be right? |
| 21:24.28 | W8TVI | yeah |
| 21:24.29 | yeiazel | chuckr: 10 and I'll take it |
| 21:24.43 | W8TVI | 200 is good |
| 21:24.43 | chuckr | (note I haven't any idea what's right, I haven't done the ebay reserach on it) |
| 21:24.51 | chuckr | want it? |
| 21:24.56 | ljp | a lot of people will wait for the sl6000 |
| 21:25.06 | W8TVI | if I had $200 |
| 21:25.09 | W8TVI | lol |
| 21:25.19 | ljp | 200-250 is good price |
| 21:25.23 | chuckr | (I'm not pushing, go ahead and try to talk him out of it, if it's the right thing to do). |
| 21:25.52 | chuckr | oh. |
| 21:26.12 | chuckr | well, I think I shojuld drop it then, someone on eBay will buy it for sure. |
| 21:26.54 | ljp | np |
| 21:27.04 | chuckr | anyhow, I gotta go do some flashing. I'll stay andlisten for fun, tho. |
| 21:29.35 | chuckr | 10guys, what are the choices for Objective-C compilers? any native ones? |
| 21:30.19 | mickeyl | eek |
| 21:30.20 | mickeyl | colors |
| 21:30.21 | mickeyl | :D |
| 21:30.36 | kergoth | my eyes! |
| 21:30.52 | chouimat | colors |
| 21:30.58 | chouimat | *colors* |
| 21:31.07 | kergoth | ~whaleslap chouimat |
| 21:31.12 | | ACTION slaps chouimat upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 21:31.24 | tux_mike | that is all |
| 21:31.28 | chouimat | kergoth: sorry but when you put _ or * in ksirc |
| 21:34.14 | chuckr | Did I do that, sorry, experimenting with snak options. Did this clear it? |
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| 22:21.54 | Shdw_work | has anyone ever successfully used an external mouse on a 5500? |
| 22:22.16 | vvff | Shdw_work: Why the heck? ;-) |
| 22:22.33 | Shdw_work | touch screen destroyed |
| 22:22.53 | vvff | Shdw_work: ouch... |
| 22:23.00 | kergoth | never have.. dont see any reason why you couldnt use one via the Z's serial port though |
| 22:23.13 | chuckr | isn't updater.sh a normal text file? |
| 22:23.25 | kergoth | or even possibly BT if you've got a card for it.. dunno what the status is of linux support for bt hid devices |
| 22:23.26 | Shdw_work | picked it up for $30, couldn't resist. I've got my own 5500 I can use to set things up, and can ssh into the broken one. |
| 22:23.32 | kergoth | chuckr: its a shell script, but encrypted. |
| 22:23.42 | kergoth | chuckr: dont ask why. there's no logical reason for them to have doen so |
| 22:23.48 | kergoth | well, not encrypted so much as encoded |
| 22:24.11 | chuckr | oh, I tried to l'less' it, couldn't read it. Can't ge the 760 to flash, casting around for why, are there md5's published on the files? |
| 22:24.24 | Shdw_work | ok so what does it take to get a crosshair mouse to show up on the GUI? Is there support built in to actually show a mouse if a different device is specified? |
| 22:24.36 | kergoth | chuckr: theree's a .c file to encode/decode the script |
| 22:24.45 | kergoth | chuckr: out on openzaurus.org in official/experimental |
| 22:24.59 | chuckr | thanks, I'll go get it |
| 22:25.12 | kergoth | Shdw_work: cursor display might have been disabled at compilation time, i dont recall |
| 22:25.15 | kergoth | Shdw_work: thatd be a qt/e thing |
| 22:25.23 | Shdw_work | hmmm |
| 22:25.40 | Shdw_work | oops |
| 22:26.44 | Shdw_work | does anyone make a CF-based I/O card? Something with direct digital lines? |
| 22:28.35 | kergoth | what are you looking to connect to it? |
| 22:30.38 | ljp | some electronical device |
| 22:30.47 | chuckr | on the 760, instructions say to push the power button whilst holding the OK button ... problem is, ther are TWO power buttons (whichone, keyboard one or backpanel one?) |
| 22:31.00 | ljp | back panel |
| 22:31.22 | chuckr | that faq needs a bit of light text editing, too. |
| 22:32.08 | ljp | probably so |
| 22:33.27 | chuckr | is there any appreciable daly, after the OK-power button thing, before the screen comes alive? |
| 22:33.40 | chuckr | delay, sorry for my poor typing |
| 22:34.21 | kergoth | chuckr: flip batt switch to off, hold OK down, flip back switch back, then hit power, keeping OK held down the entire time |
| 22:34.29 | kergoth | try that |
| 22:34.56 | chuckr | ok hold one one, it would help if I had 3 hands for this |
| 22:35.44 | chuckr | what the postion of the screen in all that? |
| 22:35.54 | kergoth | shouldnt matter |
| 22:36.08 | chuckr | screen remains blask, let me try it again |
| 22:37.15 | kergoth | if that doesnt work |
| 22:37.20 | chuckr | screen still remains black. If I hit the front panel on button , it comes right back and asks for my passwd. |
| 22:37.24 | kergoth | flip switch, pop battery, unplug AC |
| 22:37.45 | kergoth | reinsert battery, hold OK, flip switch, hit power, not releasing OK until after that |
| 22:37.59 | kergoth | removing all its power will cause it to reset |
| 22:38.14 | kergoth | alternative, hit 'reboot' from the gui, and hold OK down through the reboot cycle |
| 22:38.20 | kergoth | s/alternative/alternatively/ |
| 22:38.30 | chuckr | let me try it all again, please hold on |
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| 22:40.04 | chuckr | switch flipped, battery in my lap |
| 22:41.04 | chuckr | (verifying the name, it's zImage.bin for the 760, right?) |
| 22:41.13 | ljp | ya |
| 22:41.30 | ljp | and you need the updater.sh file also |
| 22:42.04 | chuckr | I have updater,sh and initrd.bin, yes, all in cf |
| 22:42.30 | kergoth | you arent getting to the maintainance menu at all then? |
| 22:42.38 | chuckr | OK, I'm gonna put the battery back now, as yougave it to me |
| 22:43.22 | chuckr | what about the power cord, shouldn't it need to be inserted during the procedure? |
| 22:43.46 | chuckr | no maint menu yet |
| 22:44.01 | ljp | power cord should be in |
| 22:44.02 | kergoth | this isnt the flash procedure yet, you dont need AC until you actually flash |
| 22:44.24 | chuckr | the pint I'm at now is, the battery is back, the power is doconnected, the switch is still off |
| 22:44.43 | chuckr | OK, I will put the power cord back in. |
| 22:46.35 | chuckr | I got the maint menu now, thanks |
| 22:46.55 | chuckr | damn it's in japanese ... Oh, yeah, 4th option, I remember |
| 22:46.59 | kergoth | np |
| 22:47.45 | chuckr | After I selected cf, there's another completely japanese option, with two choices and one default, do you remeber the way to choose? |
| 22:48.39 | chuckr | Oh, I see embedded in the Japanese characters, there's a Y and N, maybe it's a last chanc e to bail out? |
| 22:49.32 | chuckr | it's flashing, thanks, folks |
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| 22:54.29 | chuckr | it seem to be stuck, after it flashed, it said switching to runlevel 6 and rebooting, but the screen hasn't cleared, it's been 3 minutes now, should I help it along any? |
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| 23:04.52 | chuckr | I suppose it possible I have a bad zImage.bin, I'll try again with a freshly downloaded one. At least now I can reliably get to the maint menu (take off the plug in power as well as the battery, holding down the OK the entire time, hit power at the end of it) |
| 23:05.09 | kergoth | cool |
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| 23:17.21 | chuckr | with the new image, it seemed to finsh flashing (like the first one) but it doesn't reboot, what's the correct reboot procedure? |
| 23:18.38 | chuckr | like, maybe someone knows if one of the other 3 options on the flash screen, once might mean (go back and use the sytem)? |
| 23:19.02 | kergoth | it should reboot itself. if it hangs at the reboot, something's likely up with the kernel you flashed |
| 23:19.08 | kergoth | did it show it flashing the rootfs and then the kernel? |
| 23:20.40 | chuckr | yeah. One funny thing, the second time I flashed I noticed that the line of dots on the second line (the flash line) didn't stretch entirely across the screen before it said finisihed |
| 23:21.02 | kergoth | it relates to the size of hte image. it puts one dot per some certain block size |
| 23:21.07 | chuckr | didn't stretch as far as the first (erasing) line |
| 23:21.07 | kergoth | so obviously kernel is a lot smaller |
| 23:21.14 | chuckr | oh |
| 23:21.30 | kergoth | brb |
| 23:21.47 | chuckr | it's hanging, but my big fear, the bricking, isn't happening, I can reflash fine. |
| 23:22.27 | chuckr | I have the 4-option screen up now |
| 23:23.28 | chuckr | shall I try some different image? This one was from experimental/husky, right? |
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| 23:25.40 | chuckr | i suppose I could try anything more stable, but there's some disappointment |
| 23:26.03 | tuxoverflow | how long before rc2 any ideas - or when it comes!! |
| 23:33.59 | chuckr | openzaurus.org is extremely slow right now, can someone suggest the right place to get a reasably reliable image for the 760? Surfing through the site will take hours at this rate. |
| 23:34.47 | chuckr | oh, I think it's down entirely, in fact |
| 23:35.02 | kergoth | isnt sourceforge great? blech. |
| 23:35.04 | vvff | I'm not sure if there *is* a reasonably reliable image for the c760 |
| 23:35.44 | vvff | :-D |
| 23:38.48 | Disconnect | its almost nov 26 (2 months after the last announcement).. might be about time to post another news blob on the site about how the transition is going.. |
| 23:39.46 | tuxoverflow | i would put there stick with 3.2 |
| 23:39.49 | tuxoverflow | for now |
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| 23:40.40 | Disconnect | even something like "We're still alive, its going well, check [bk/irc/the stars] for more info." |
| 23:42.20 | chuckr | is openzaurus on sourceforge? Oh, too bad, I didn't realize that, I wouldn't have wondered then |
| 23:42.26 | aw | I need to run fsck on an SD card, If i insert the card the way it is, opie hangs when trying to mount it. If i do /etc/init.d/sd stop opie doesn't hang but the device is not detected so i can't fsck it... What can i do to prevent oz mounting the sd? |
| 23:43.14 | chuckr | what about just telling it to umount it, then do the fsck? |
| 23:43.25 | kergoth | heh, he just said it hangs when it goes to mount |
| 23:43.25 | aw | when i insert the card opie hangs |
| 23:43.52 | aw | kergoth: i know we talked about this a while ago, now that i tryed it, /dev/mmcda1 is not detected |
| 23:44.08 | Disconnect | tuxoverflow: some of us can't stick with 3.2 :( (c760, got it just after the big "all bugs are closed/unfinished, we're going to the new buildsystem" announcement (doh) |
| 23:44.11 | kergoth | so sdmgr has to be running to even have hte device exist? |
| 23:44.14 | kergoth | that cant be right |
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| 23:44.26 | chuckr | I oughta read first ... you'd what, have to change the /etc/fstab file? so it would stop mounting it? |
| 23:44.27 | aw | kergoth: it looks like it. |
| 23:44.44 | Disconnect | aw: try stopping sdmgr, then modprobe the sd module (erm.. sd-mod? or sharp-sd? something like that) |
| 23:44.52 | aw | chuckr: I have edited /etc/fstab, but it still mounts it. |
| 23:45.05 | aw | Disconnect let me try that. Thanks! |
| 23:45.13 | chuckr | huh, ok, I don't know linux that well yet |
| 23:45.30 | kergoth | the module shoudl be autoloaded on boot (/etc/modules) |
| 23:45.34 | chuckr | did you hup mountd? |
| 23:46.08 | kergoth | chuckr: sd mount commands are issued by sdmgr. |
| 23:46.24 | chuckr | ok I'll be quiet and read |
| 23:46.45 | Disconnect | chuckr: mountd (at least on most systems) is for nfs stuff. nothing to do with local mounts, removable media, etc. |
| 23:47.36 | aw | Ok, this is funny, when i log off opie then the system doesn't hang if i insert the card, I've unmounted it an am fscking it right now. |
| 23:47.37 | chuckr | I thgouth it was also used for automatic mounts, I guess I'm wrong |
| 23:47.44 | Disconnect | random quickie, before I go.. is 3.3.5-rc1 up to a point where its worth installing on a 760? |
| 23:47.52 | Disconnect | aw: prolly the 'hang' was it searching for documents. |
| 23:48.32 | Disconnect | (and never finishing, evidently) |
| 23:49.04 | aw | I also did the "all boot from sd", would that do it too? |
| 23:49.26 | aw | Disconnect: how does one disable the "document search" feature? |
| 23:49.39 | kergoth | in theory, you use the mediummount tool |
| 23:49.41 | Disconnect | aw: not sure. I think there is a patch (in HEAD?) for it but thats real recent. |
| 23:50.06 | kergoth | yeah, HEAD has the ability to kill the docs tab completely |
| 23:51.26 | aw | kergoth: i have it so that it does not do medium checking but still... I have rc-1 so if i kill the docs tab that should do it? |
| 23:51.40 | vvff | kergoth: hey, why not forget about 2.4.22 or 18 or whatever and have the next oz be 2.6.0? |
| 23:51.40 | vvff | :-D |
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| 23:52.06 | aw | thanks to All, have to go feed my kid... I hope I can save this setup.... |
| 23:52.07 | kergoth | we'll move to 2.6 in a testing/experimental shortly after the release of 3.5.0 |
| 23:55.30 | W8TVI | brb... reconnect! |
| 23:57.51 | vvff | kergoth: cool... |
| 23:58.05 | kergoth | i should update the news page with a timeline or something |
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