| 00:00.02 | tanq | ive on;y usesd ext2 and ext3 |
| 00:00.21 | tanq | on a pc |
| 00:00.28 | mesuhga | i use resirfs on all of mine |
| 00:00.30 | mesuhga | love it |
| 00:00.58 | mesuhga | about to setup asteriskpbx just to be able to do 802.11b VOIP on the Z ;) |
| 00:01.13 | mesuhga | since i found some isdn hardware thats supported as voice channels |
| 00:01.39 | Disconnect | kergoth: btw it bails (same error) on opieplayer2 .. |
| 00:02.18 | mesuhga | opieplayer2 wouldnt even play audio for me. but xmms-e did fine |
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| 00:09.12 | mesuhga | uh, anyone ever had their Z(sl5500d) not turn on after flashing? |
| 00:09.15 | mesuhga | i've flashed it a bunch |
| 00:09.27 | kergoth | forget to full reset? |
| 00:09.34 | mesuhga | no, i hit the button on back |
| 00:09.43 | mesuhga | then closed the lid |
| 00:09.53 | mesuhga | er cover for battery |
| 00:09.56 | mesuhga | did that a few times, in fact |
| 00:10.04 | mesuhga | then popped the battery out |
| 00:10.08 | mesuhga | and put it back in |
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| 00:12.28 | cyn | played around with docbook today, it felt right |
| 00:12.43 | cyn | felt *good* |
| 00:13.18 | kergoth | docbook is great |
| 00:14.17 | chouimat | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:22.55 | mesuhga | hm scary |
| 00:22.58 | mesuhga | still wont start back up |
| 00:22.59 | mesuhga | :( |
| 00:25.19 | Disconnect | kergoth: LOTS of stuff is blowing up on this toolchain :( basically every time I disable one thing it blows up on the next (same error, 'undef versioned symbol'..) I'm gonna give up on it until the new chain is ready.. |
| 00:25.40 | kergoth | k, i'll hack on it again tonight here |
| 00:25.47 | Disconnect | no biggie. just an fyi.. |
| 00:26.17 | kergoth | k |
| 00:27.36 | Disconnect | um. why does oemake use /usr/bin/python2 ..?? instead of just python..? |
| 00:27.58 | kergoth | its fixed |
| 00:27.59 | kergoth | bk pull |
| 00:28.06 | Disconnect | ah ok |
| 00:28.07 | kergoth | it was an accidental checkin |
| 00:29.36 | Disconnect | no bigggie. had just decided it was wise to pull before building anyway ;) |
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| 00:30.21 | kergoth | mostly rh7 boxes around here, so /usr/bin/python is 2.0 or 2.1 |
| 00:30.30 | alf_ | in 3.3.5, dhcp doesn't seem to grab an ip from my wireless router |
| 00:30.34 | alf_ | is this a known problem? |
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| 00:31.12 | alf_ | or is that an opie issue? |
| 00:37.42 | mesuhga | alf_: does for me. |
| 00:37.56 | mesuhga | well, did anyways |
| 00:38.11 | alf_ | what card/router do you have? |
| 00:38.58 | alf_ | and did you have wep enabled? |
| 00:39.01 | mesuhga | no wep |
| 00:39.04 | mesuhga | linksys WP11 |
| 00:39.13 | mesuhga | and d-link uhh 330 or something |
| 00:39.16 | mesuhga | it detects as a zcommax |
| 00:39.26 | alf_ | yeah i have a dlink 660w |
| 00:39.32 | alf_ | and it connects as the same |
| 00:39.36 | alf_ | and i have the same linksys |
| 00:40.08 | mesuhga | ok 660w sounds right |
| 00:40.13 | mesuhga | well, weird then |
| 00:40.20 | mesuhga | my z is completely dead. |
| 00:40.31 | mesuhga | on the 50th flash |
| 00:40.35 | mesuhga | it doesnt wanna come back to life |
| 00:40.36 | mesuhga | :( |
| 00:41.36 | alf_ | i turn off wep and it works |
| 00:41.37 | alf_ | =/ |
| 00:41.42 | alf_ | what happened to your zaurus |
| 00:41.50 | mesuhga | i flashed it fine |
| 00:41.57 | mesuhga | hit full reset. went to turn it on, nothing |
| 00:42.03 | mesuhga | this is 3rd time flashing today. |
| 00:42.16 | alf_ | i'm sure you know this |
| 00:42.21 | mesuhga | no lights, no anything |
| 00:42.24 | alf_ | but the battery switch was closed |
| 00:42.25 | alf_ | right |
| 00:42.27 | mesuhga | of course |
| 00:42.41 | alf_ | that sucks |
| 00:42.48 | alf_ | flashrom is supposed to be good to 10,000+ writes |
| 00:43.07 | mesuhga | getting ospack right now |
| 00:46.52 | stigger | has anyone got irk-zaurus working on 3.3.5 |
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| 00:50.00 | Disconnect | kergoth: any tips on building cross-compiler in oe? |
| 00:50.49 | kergoth | glibc or uclibc? |
| 00:50.56 | kergoth | the glibc build doestn work as is, i need to push changes |
| 00:51.00 | kergoth | hold on a sec |
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| 00:51.07 | Disconnect | ah glibc. yah. ;) |
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| 01:04.58 | omin0us | so i'm guessing the forums are down for everyone and its not just me? |
| 01:05.18 | Disconnect | yep. zaurus.com is toast evidently. |
| 01:05.21 | Disconnect | well down anyway |
| 01:05.26 | omin0us | oh |
| 01:05.39 | omin0us | you scared me for a second |
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| 01:08.16 | mesuhga | tons and tons of bad indoes |
| 01:08.17 | mesuhga | :( |
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| 01:44.53 | dys | hi all |
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| 01:53.47 | nerdboy | oy |
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| 02:03.56 | dys | does anyone else here have problems with OZ 3.3.5 , opieplayer2 & mp3's ?? |
| 02:05.57 | ljp | a bunch of people do |
| 02:07.28 | dys | cool, just checkin it wasnt me being stupid ! :) |
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| 02:26.17 | kc8apf | hmm, well, i got xmms-e installed, and it queues the mp3, but won't play it |
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| 02:34.44 | omin0us | hmm |
| 02:35.03 | omin0us | what problems are you guys having with opieplayer2 and mp3's? |
| 02:35.13 | omin0us | i just installed it and tested it and it worked fine |
| 02:35.27 | omin0us | and played DivX perfectly good too :) |
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| 02:47.25 | aw | has anyone tried iqnotes in 3.3.5 yet? It looks like the same version would work fine in 3.2, but have no way to test now anymore (unless I were to reflash 3.2) |
| 02:50.25 | Disconnect | kergoth: btw I think the 3.3.2 chain in OE would build (or at least get closer) if --with-headers was used .. its doing this without it: http://www.embeddedtux.org/pipermail/etux/2003-September/000332.html |
| 02:51.17 | Disconnect | er .. the problem in the message before that, not the version.h stuff (its some guy trying to cross glibc for 2.6) |
| 02:51.41 | kergoth | --with-headers just copies the headers to sys-include |
| 02:51.46 | kergoth | i think we do that already in the glibc build |
| 02:51.53 | kergoth | brb |
| 02:52.38 | Disconnect | ah |
| 02:56.20 | chouimat | arrgggggggggggggggggggg out of beer again |
| 02:57.13 | chouimat | kergoth did you read that? |
| 02:57.24 | chouimat | ? http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20031130210334574 |
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| 03:18.26 | Disconnect | kergoth: fyi it did find the headers this time (dunno what changed, just did a clean and rebuilt) but its still catching fire on pthread.h .. google is less than helpful.. just so I'm not spinning, is this a known issue of some sort or should I redo the build from scratch? |
| 03:18.40 | Pendalar | guy is asking me if the zaurus can sync with evolution |
| 03:18.48 | Pendalar | don't see the answer on oz.org |
| 03:18.52 | Pendalar | anyone know? |
| 03:18.54 | treke|home | Yes it can |
| 03:18.57 | Pendalar | dunno why people do PIM |
| 03:19.01 | Pendalar | treke|home: howto? |
| 03:19.04 | Disconnect | treke|home: do you have to exit evo before sync? |
| 03:19.07 | treke|home | Pendalar: multisync |
| 03:19.10 | kergoth | Disconnect: hmmm |
| 03:19.14 | treke|home | Disconnect: no clue |
| 03:19.20 | kergoth | Disconnect: is it failing in gcc-initial or gcc? (-cross) |
| 03:19.28 | Disconnect | the docs (for multisync and kitchensync) are "unclear" |
| 03:19.28 | Disconnect | gcc-cross |
| 03:19.36 | Disconnect | /usr/src/Zaurus/oe/packages/tmp/staging/cross/arm-linux/sys-include/pthread.h:163: error: parse error before '*' token |
| 03:19.44 | Disconnect | (that line looks fine) |
| 03:19.45 | Pendalar | thanks treke|home |
| 03:20.17 | kergoth | odd |
| 03:20.49 | Disconnect | extern int pthread_create (pthread_t *__restrict __threadp, .. looks fine.. and above it is a (valid) define and a comment.. |
| 03:21.33 | Disconnect | ok. pthread_t is thread_t ... which is.... |
| 03:22.05 | Disconnect | uli .. should be fine.. |
| 03:22.29 | Disconnect | and hte header is included. so afaict its just insane. |
| 03:31.08 | chuckr | is ther an explanation anywhere of how to get a build out of the open-embedded stuff? It';s oe-experted and oe-packages, right? |
| 03:31.26 | treke|home | docs/* |
| 03:31.41 | treke|home | Thats the best it has atm |
| 03:31.43 | chuckr | that's a bit terse .... where are these docs? |
| 03:31.54 | treke|home | In the oe directory |
| 03:32.02 | chuckr | I'm willing to rtfm, if only I could fine them |
| 03:32.43 | treke|home | Download OE |
| 03:33.17 | treke|home | then in the main directory there is a docs subdirectory with most of the existing documentation |
| 03:33.47 | chuckr | can you just give me tha name of the site, I'll go looking forever if it takes that |
| 03:34.04 | Disconnect | chuckr: www.openembedded.org is what he's not telling you. hit the 'getting started' link in the front of the wiki |
| 03:34.04 | treke|home | ibot oe buildroot |
| 03:34.06 | | methinks oe buildroot is bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/oe |
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| 03:35.52 | chuckr | there is a openzaurus.bkbits.net but I can't see what the subdirs are, tne the top dir is a bk menu |
| 03:36.31 | chuckr | it has neither oe nor a doc subdir |
| 03:36.46 | treke|home | ibot oe |
| 03:36.48 | | rumour has it, oe is OpenEmbedded (see http://www.openembedded.org ), Orgasmic Enthusiasm, or "Opportunistic Encryption" (see http://www.wavesec.org ) |
| 03:37.09 | treke|home | bleh |
| 03:37.36 | kergoth | chuckr: openembedded.bkbits.net |
| 03:37.42 | chuckr | what wiki are you talkking about, I see no wiki |
| 03:37.48 | treke|home | bk clone bk://openembedded.bkbits.net/oe |
| 03:38.00 | treke|home | that should clone the proper repository |
| 03:38.03 | kergoth | you dont see a wiki? its the only link on openembedded.rog there is. |
| 03:38.06 | chuckr | that link you keep on giving me is 404! |
| 03:38.30 | chuckr | let me try the openembedeed.org |
| 03:38.31 | treke|home | ? |
| 03:38.38 | treke|home | what link do we keep giving you? |
| 03:39.00 | chuckr | the openzaurus.bkbits.net |
| 03:39.08 | kergoth | .. |
| 03:39.16 | chuckr | oe and docs subdirs don't exist there |
| 03:39.19 | kergoth | OPENEMBEDDED.BKBITS.NET |
| 03:39.27 | chuckr | I just go thtere |
| 03:39.36 | kergoth | openzaurus.bkbits.net is the old system. |
| 03:39.47 | chuckr | I'm there now, that wasn't the one I was first given |
| 03:40.00 | chuckr | OK I can go awway and read now |
| 03:41.21 | Disconnect | kergoth: um. you're chasing away the users again... ;) |
| 03:41.34 | Disconnect | well.. s/users/volunteers/ which is kinda worse |
| 03:44.43 | chuckr | I'm not running away yet, but it's a bit weird when you make the mistake and yell at ME when I can't read your mistake ... kergoth's link was finally good |
| 03:44.51 | Disconnect | chuckr: treke|home was feeding you bitkeeper commands.. 'bk clone <source> <dest>' will check out <source> (generally http, as you prolly read by now..) into <dest> .. |
| 03:45.32 | chuckr | I don't have bk I don't know bk and to be honest (I let my prejudices show a bit here) I don't likke using commercial software ona public project |
| 03:46.04 | chuckr | I will learn it if I must, IF I can get sourcce code |
| 03:46.14 | Disconnect | see the wiki. there's info there on getting it from the snapshots. |
| 03:46.33 | chuckr | I don';t run linux .... I run FreeBSD and Mac and Solaris |
| 03:46.59 | treke|home | So? |
| 03:47.08 | chuckr | don't you need bk binaries? |
| 03:47.12 | treke|home | yes you do. |
| 03:47.16 | Disconnect | bk is great for huge projects.. for something like this, I suspect arch or svn or one of the free ones would have done just as well.. but either way its there.. |
| 03:47.24 | chuckr | they exist for one of those platforms? |
| 03:47.25 | Disconnect | chuckr: um. advantage to a commercial product here.. |
| 03:47.30 | Disconnect | they have something like 30 platforms available for dl. |
| 03:47.33 | Disconnect | maybe more |
| 03:47.41 | treke|home | chuckr: Yes. |
| 03:47.54 | chuckr | that's not an advantage, that's pretty minor against, say, gnu awk |
| 03:48.03 | Disconnect | http://bitkeeper.com/Products.BK_Pro.Platforms.html |
| 03:48.18 | chuckr | I don't want a flame war here, let me go read |
| 03:48.27 | chuckr | I've done it |
| 03:48.35 | chuckr | not awk, but cvs |
| 03:48.53 | chuckr | cvs runs on more platforms too |
| 03:48.56 | kergoth | comparisong bk to awk. hahahah |
| 03:49.24 | chuckr | I was only using awk as one example of public software running on more platforms than com'l cosftware |
| 03:49.25 | treke|home | I dont think the purpose was to compare them as source management systems |
| 03:49.32 | chuckr | true |
| 03:49.37 | chuckr | very true |
| 03:49.59 | treke|home | so far arch is the only scm I've seen that looks like it performs similarly to bitkeeper |
| 03:50.11 | Disconnect | the new generation of source management tools have cvs beat up down and sideways (note I didn't mention it above).. and bk has some major advantages over the free ones right now.. my statement was just that those advantages had very little impact on a project like this with only a couple of core developers and usch.. |
| 03:50.33 | chuckr | so why don't you go use, say, ClearCasea? |
| 03:50.55 | kergoth | I dont like clearcase's architecture for one. |
| 03:51.00 | chuckr | I want to hear this argument, it oought to parallel mine nicely |
| 03:51.07 | kergoth | for two, we're a completely unfunded project. |
| 03:51.15 | chuckr | so? |
| 03:51.23 | kergoth | so i'm not paying for it. |
| 03:51.25 | Disconnect | get a free-for-non-compete license from them and its in the running. without that, its not. bk is free if you don't compete with them (for projects like this, which is so tangled in gpl to begin with its a mess...) |
| 03:51.44 | treke|home | ClearCase is prohibitivly expensive. |
| 03:51.50 | chuckr | I don't like com'l softwrae for the reason that I don't get source code |
| 03:52.00 | Disconnect | although everyone I've heard who's used clearcase has huge horror stories about corrupted archives and other disasters that lost them lots of time/effort.. |
| 03:52.14 | Disconnect | chuckr: SO DON'T USE IT... thats what the snapshots are for. |
| 03:52.19 | kergoth | clearcase is *really* pricey, even compared to perforce and bitkeeper commercial licenses. |
| 03:52.38 | chuckr | (I don't like it myself, but it's commerical and clearly has more power than bk, if that was the yardsitck |
| 03:53.04 | Disconnect | even if they aren't involved in those products, they have to fight for a free license. so instead they use the cvs/svn gateways, the snapshots, etc.. |
| 03:53.06 | treke|home | chuckr: More power is balanced against being something within the projects budget |
| 03:53.12 | treke|home | chuckr: Of 0 dollars. |
| 03:53.40 | chuckr | I can see why you use bk, because the rest of Linux forces your hand, doesn't mean I have to like it, even though in this case I guess I agree. |
| 03:53.44 | Disconnect | "clearly" how? and in any case.. if you want clearcase go buy licenses and training (LOTS of training, from what I've heard..) and we'll switch. you support it, you pay for it... |
| 03:53.47 | kergoth | huh? |
| 03:53.53 | Disconnect | chuckr: um. the rest of linux has nothing to do with bk... |
| 03:54.05 | chuckr | why exisactly couldn't cvs do the job? |
| 03:54.09 | kergoth | so the kernel uses it. big deal. that ffects us not at all. |
| 03:54.16 | Disconnect | none of the arm kernels are in bk, the kernel sources that OE patches up (for arm) are gotten from kernel.org tgz, etc.. |
| 03:54.19 | treke|home | Exactly. We use bk because kergoth thought it was the best tool for managing the source. |
| 03:54.37 | kergoth | treke|home: precisely. |
| 03:54.43 | chuckr | howcome? No source code, and all the suystems that folks are going to have already have cvs installed on them |
| 03:54.47 | ljp | we use bk cause it's one less letter to type than cvs |
| 03:54.54 | chuckr | oh |
| 03:54.54 | kergoth | oh my |
| 03:55.18 | kergoth | i find it amusing that you jump in and argue knowing nothing. |
| 03:55.23 | Disconnect | chuckr: cvs is amazingly limited and difficult to argue with. as to why bk instead of arch/svn, thats a question for kergoth... |
| 03:55.28 | kergoth | about the topic anyway |
| 03:55.33 | chuckr | cvs coud do it for the demonstrable pint that it IS doing it on many systems |
| 03:55.51 | ljp | merging branches in cvs sux rox |
| 03:55.51 | treke|home | It can do it, that doesnt mean it can't be done better |
| 03:55.55 | Disconnect | chuckr: right. thats why clearcase and company are all out of business.. because cvs is so much better for large, complex projects... hehehehehehe |
| 03:56.08 | kergoth | Disconnect: lol, well said |
| 03:56.11 | treke|home | Doing anything offline is a pain for CVS |
| 03:56.17 | chuckr | I just don't like walking away from a free think that gives me source code to a non-free one that doesn't, for reasons that |
| 03:56.25 | chuckr | are less than requirements |
| 03:56.46 | kergoth | I have many requirements that cvs doesnt satisfy. you think I made this decision knowing nothing? come on. |
| 03:56.49 | treke|home | I don't want to have to talk to some remote server over the network to be able to revision control changes that are in progress on my workstation |
| 03:57.09 | chuckr | curious then can you name one (this is honest here) |
| 03:57.11 | Disconnect | chuckr: fork it. its gpl. go for it. fork it into arch/svn/clearcase/whatever.. |
| 03:57.25 | kergoth | 1) CVS cant handle rename/moves at all. period. |
| 03:57.29 | treke|home | With bitkeeper I can maintain a change set history on my local machine and merge all of the changes back up stream once it is ready. |
| 03:57.44 | kergoth | 2) CVCS branching capabilities are incredibly limited, and its *completely* unable to handle multiple merging |
| 03:58.03 | kergoth | 3) when branched sufficiently far from HEAD performance makeit unusable |
| 03:58.09 | Disconnect | chuckr: with bk I can take 3 separate trees (and I have) and merge them all together with a minimum of pain... |
| 03:58.21 | treke|home | bitkeeper handles conflict checking better than just tossing random markers into a file and hoping I saw the error message saying there was a conflict |
| 03:58.24 | chuckr | and those things are completely necessary ib thge project? I'vve run large ones (kernle ones) that worked without it. |
| 03:58.32 | kergoth | 4) the non-peer based architecture is less fault tolerant, this way everybody has the code |
| 03:58.47 | chuckr | that thing about conflict, that's false |
| 03:58.49 | kergoth | I want those things because I feel they benefit us. period. |
| 03:58.53 | kergoth | no it isnt. |
| 03:59.12 | treke|home | If you know a better way to handle conflcts in CVS, I'd like to hear it. |
| 03:59.15 | kergoth | you obviously didnt understand what i was trying to say then |
| 03:59.23 | chuckr | it lets you know about a conflict and asks you to merge it by hand, it won';t allow the commit until you do it |
| 03:59.29 | kergoth | you're not listening. |
| 03:59.30 | Disconnect | chuckr: consider how often sf is down. now pretend that you couldn't do ANYTHING when their cvs server was down. (which is frequently)... been there. I generated more abandonware on sf than any other time in my life because I'd go days without being able to do any effective work while their servers were down. |
| 03:59.52 | chuckr | are you going to blame sourceforge's problems on cvs? |
| 03:59.58 | kergoth | i'm talking about *MULTIPLE* merges. the ability to recognize that a section of code has already been merged, and doesnt need to be merged again |
| 04:00.10 | kergoth | chuckr: his point is, he's rendered unusable by the server being down. not so with bk. |
| 04:00.10 | treke|home | chuckr: No, its an example of how bitkeeper works around the problem |
| 04:00.14 | Disconnect | with bk it doesn't matter. even if they disappear tomorrow I can clone from an EMAIL that kergoth sends me. or vice versa. no matter how far afield the 2 trees have gone. |
| 04:00.18 | ljp | merge schmerge |
| 04:00.39 | chuckr | oh, hell, I didn't want to start this big argument |
| 04:00.42 | treke|home | chuckr: Some people don't have internet access at all times, with bitkeeper you still have full access to a copy of the repository that can easily be brought up to date |
| 04:00.49 | kergoth | so we have what, 6 or 7 valid arguments against cvs. |
| 04:00.56 | kergoth | i think thats satisfies your request for one, no? |
| 04:01.05 | treke|home | you can back out changes, commit changes, diff files, whatever without being able to communicate up stream |
| 04:01.42 | treke|home | Once you have access you just neeed to update your repository to contain changes from the parent, and then push your changes to the parent. Then you can go offline working for another week or two |
| 04:01.49 | Disconnect | chuckr: for reference, I am the only developer on my kernel patchset. I use bk (instead of arch/svn) because I felt like it. but the thought of trying to do, in cvs, what I do in bk every day is frightening. |
| 04:01.58 | chuckr | I can argue against many of them, but I won't ... I will admit you have a couple of things that bk can do that cvs can't, although I could argue their need, but I don't want to continue the argument |
| 04:02.23 | Disconnect | chuckr: I -routinely- make entire branches, add huge patches, roll out pieces, apply different patches to the original (consider them siblings) and merge them back togehter.. |
| 04:02.32 | chuckr | I didn't realize the binaries for bk were available, so I guess I will go get one |
| 04:02.44 | kergoth | snapshots are available. we already stated this. |
| 04:02.49 | treke|home | I also really like the capabilities to slowly filter working patches upstream |
| 04:02.53 | Disconnect | chuckr: bk has a gui called 'revtool' that shows the tree of merges/splits/changes.. when I release a patchset it looks like spaghetti most times ;) |
| 04:02.55 | chuckr | Disconnect: so did I in cvs |
| 04:03.05 | kergoth | for future reference, i'd really recommend learning something about what you're arguing against and for. |
| 04:03.11 | treke|home | Since I regularly have 3 or 4 trees for different devices and feature additions |
| 04:03.16 | Disconnect | chuckr: you can apply 3 patches, then back out the first? thats .. unique. |
| 04:03.23 | chuckr | I had about 6 different trees |
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| 04:04.02 | Disconnect | anyway. either grab a snapshot (its a tgz, can you use those?) or grab bk.. the docs for both are there. |
| 04:04.05 | chuckr | I keep on doing it, sorry, I'll stop this now |
| 04:04.14 | Disconnect | (there being the wiki) |
| 04:04.16 | chuckr | I'll go get bk |
| 04:04.21 | treke|home | As a feature stabilizes I can selectivly push them into an integration tree where I can test that things don't interact poorly, then send it to the bkbits repository |
| 04:04.30 | ljp | bk schmekay |
| 04:04.43 | kergoth | If arch/tla continues the way it is, I'd consider switching at soe point. that point is not now. |
| 04:05.02 | Disconnect | one final note, btw: if bk offends enough people by being closed, he's offered a buyout price thats rather lower than his profits over the "lifetime" would be (so he's willing to take a "pay cut" to free it) |
| 04:05.17 | treke|home | yeah. arch seems like it has a similar architecture to bk |
| 04:05.18 | Disconnect | IIRC the lifetime was somethign like 5 years or some such |
| 04:05.21 | treke|home | Disconnect: What is the price? |
| 04:05.26 | Disconnect | treke|home: I don't recall, lemme go check |
| 04:07.44 | chuckr | gah this is worse than IBM, they want my email and won't let me fake it, darn it. |
| 04:08.50 | treke|home | hmmm. merging asm when you don't know arm asm is probably not bound for success |
| 04:08.55 | Disconnect | um. duh. its a contract. just use the snapshots already. and fyi, their page has a nice comparison of SCMs... |
| 04:10.00 | Disconnect | damn. can't find his posting in the archives. it was something under a mil, IIRC. |
| 04:10.36 | kergoth | should also mention that support from the bk folks is very good |
| 04:10.55 | kergoth | whenever i have a problem they go out of their way to help out |
| 04:13.00 | kergoth | anyway, i'm no evangelist, I use the right tool for the job regardless |
| 04:13.01 | Disconnect | but I've heard that from others. even though it takes a slight cost to the company (download bandwidth and hosting bandwidth) and balloons it.. |
| 04:13.01 | Disconnect | bbiab |
| 04:16.25 | treke|home | bk the software rocks, mcvoy's lkml postings seem to piss me off more and more each time he says something :) |
| 04:17.09 | kergoth | treke|home: hehe, yeah |
| 04:17.51 | treke|home | I still like when he threatened to do whatever he needed to do to break and free bitkeeper clones |
| 04:19.54 | treke|home | hmmm. You can get free perforce licenses for open source shit |
| 04:20.23 | chuckr | I didn't want to say that bk wasn't any good, I never meant to give that impression, I just don't like to lose source code for anything less that absolute requirements |
| 04:22.44 | ljp | I'll say it. bk isnt any good |
| 04:22.52 | ljp | perforce rox! |
| 04:23.01 | treke|home | import oe into perforce :) |
| 04:23.40 | ljp | who me? |
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| 04:26.53 | omin0us | can someone help me out with getting apache to work on OZ? |
| 04:27.14 | omin0us | i put the apachectl script on there |
| 04:27.17 | chuckr | seriously, apache? |
| 04:27.29 | omin0us | yeah, cause i get my c760 tomorrow |
| 04:27.37 | treke|home | lets see how badly this patch bombs out |
| 04:27.43 | chuckr | Oh .... nice dreams |
| 04:28.00 | omin0us | so i'm going to see if i can get a website and forum working on my 5500 |
| 04:28.04 | omin0us | just to do it |
| 04:28.08 | omin0us | cause i'm bored |
| 04:28.09 | omin0us | lol |
| 04:28.25 | omin0us | anyways, i can't get apachectl to run? |
| 04:28.38 | omin0us | i copied the apachectl script to /opt/QtPalmtop/bin |
| 04:28.56 | omin0us | and made sure it had read and execute privs. |
| 04:29.14 | omin0us | but whenever i run it, i get: -sh: apachectl: not found |
| 04:29.26 | omin0us | even when i am in that dir and run with: ./apachectl |
| 04:29.34 | kergoth | chuckr: apache 2.0.47 and 2.0.48 are in the OE packages repos |
| 04:29.45 | kergoth | so ipks will be in our 3.5.x OZ feeds |
| 04:32.17 | Pendalar | kergoth : http://support.radioshack.com/support_computer/doc69/69477.pdf <-- GPS unit (serial) being clearanced at radio shack stores |
| 04:32.23 | Pendalar | any idea if it'd work on zaurus? |
| 04:32.57 | kergoth | dunno. dont see any reason why not |
| 04:33.05 | Pendalar | DigiTraveler |
| 04:33.09 | Pendalar | should be about $30 |
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| 04:35.03 | mithro-- | http://www.self-core.org/~kaoru-k/pub/w100_vid.c |
| 04:35.20 | Pendalar | mithro--: directed at? |
| 04:36.36 | chouimat | night |
| 04:36.37 | chuckr | can hardly believe you'd get apache working on the Zaurus. Really neat. |
| 04:37.07 | mithro-- | nobody in particular |
| 04:37.11 | Pendalar | k.. |
| 04:37.33 | chuckr | I have the bk stuff and have sucked the sources, i guess I'm set a while. Kergoth, does that full crosstools script go to completion for you? |
| 04:37.49 | kergoth | it has when i've used it in the past |
| 04:37.59 | kergoth | lately been fixing up the crossscompiler builds in OE |
| 04:38.21 | chuckr | Hmmm ok, I guess I have to go figure out the linking problme I have, I can compare against the nice packages you have up there to answer my own questions |
| 04:38.58 | chuckr | There's some odd advice about ssh keys on the wiki you know. |
| 04:39.51 | chuckr | I don't believe there's any reason yo ushould worry about "spam artists" getting a ssh key you mail to a friend, you could as well stick it on a outhouse wall, as long as it's the .pub one, right? |
| 04:41.28 | kergoth | right |
| 04:41.39 | kergoth | therein lies the problem with wiki. no approval mechanism |
| 04:41.44 | kergoth | heh |
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| 04:41.59 | chuckr | Just checking. I *think* I know ssh pretty well, but I always want to double-check myself on security things. |
| 04:42.32 | chuckr | I've set up many, many folks at work with ssh, they didn't seem to know it all that well at first. |
| 04:43.19 | chuckr | I would actually rather like to learn svn, I know cvs, I think learning both bk and p4 would be fun, I hate ClearCasea and that' s what I'm stuck with |
| 04:43.43 | chuckr | I have nothing against bk per se, just dislike losing source |
| 04:44.13 | chuckr | you know there is no facility in ClerCase for commit mail? |
| 04:44.21 | chuckr | I had to write one |
| 04:44.56 | chuckr | do yo have commit mail in bk? |
| 04:45.29 | chuckr | in oe's bk, I mean? |
| 04:47.24 | mithro-- | anyone know what is causing my sound to be so quiet with mplayer? |
| 04:47.42 | kergoth | chuckr: yep |
| 04:47.45 | mithro-- | it's quite loud wiht opie |
| 04:47.58 | kergoth | see BitKeeper/triggers/post-outgoing and bk help triggers |
| 04:49.18 | Disconnect | Pendalar: $30 gps? I'm so there :) |
| 04:49.21 | Disconnect | got a sales link for it? |
| 04:51.40 | chuckr | hey on that same page, kergoth, it talks about getting ssh access. Should I ask for such access (give you either my identity,pub or maybe my id_dsa.pub) for openembedded.org access? |
| 04:52.51 | chuckr | it begins to look like most of my questions are going to be answered off that archive. |
| 04:52.58 | kergoth | the access would be the ability to 'bk push' to openembedded.bkbits.net |
| 04:53.02 | kergoth | via ssh |
| 04:53.16 | chuckr | I don't know if I really need that yet. |
| 04:53.59 | Disconnect | I'd suggest getting some patches together first, that sort of thing.. |
| 04:54.00 | chuckr | OK, I didn't know if there was some build requirement I hadn't seen yet, the wiki seemed to push me that way |
| 04:54.04 | chuckr | true |
| 04:55.01 | Disconnect | btw, if you find inconsistencies/errors/etc in the wiki, please update. (we're trying to get docs together.. the plan is to get the wiki updated into an authoritative source, then empty it into doc/ and leave it with just "how to get the source and other docs" stuff..) |
| 04:55.10 | chuckr | I have a rather deep respect for other folks systems, it would horrify me, honestly, if I thought I'd done something to your system that I couldn't fix. I probably should know bk first rather well, for instance. |
| 04:55.21 | Disconnect | thats the beauty of bk - its always fixable. |
| 04:55.41 | Disconnect | but remember, you can clone the whole mess and let him do a pull from you of all or part of your changes.. |
| 04:55.41 | chuckr | anyhow, anyone know a source, in the US, for a nice cover for the 760? |
| 04:55.54 | chuckr | (I already clones it) |
| 04:56.04 | Disconnect | there is a generic targus case that fits it. (although I gotta ship mine back, the stitching is coming loose on one side..) |
| 04:56.20 | chuckr | you suggest it? |
| 04:56.24 | kergoth | i wish i could find a good hard plasitc or metal case for a Z |
| 04:56.30 | Disconnect | right, you clone it to work with it at all.. but you can make that clone accessible to him or others such that they can update from it |
| 04:56.34 | chuckr | There's a nice site in England for it, but won't ship to US |
| 04:56.44 | treke|home | The worst case with bitkeeper is that you erase the repository and recreate it from a clean clone |
| 04:56.45 | Disconnect | yah this is vinylish |
| 04:56.54 | chuckr | guess maybe that's because of where Sharp's selling it |
| 04:57.01 | Disconnect | treke|home: even that would just move it all into SCCS/.deleted ;) |
| 04:57.12 | chuckr | Shrp, please go study a company called "commodore" |
| 04:57.31 | Disconnect | here it is http://www.zaurususergroup.com/index.php?module=prodreviews&func=showcontent&id=5 |
| 04:57.42 | chuckr | Thanks, fella, that was nice of you |
| 04:57.48 | treke|home | Disconnect: I meant actually removing the entire repository. Not dumping the contents |
| 04:58.02 | Disconnect | (and fyi, I can fit a cf - with or w/o plastic box - and a wlan card in the internal pocket, while the Z is in) |
| 04:58.25 | Disconnect | treke|home: hrm. yah. is ssh full ssh access or is it just for bk? |
| 04:58.36 | kergoth | i love that even if someone had ssh access to our upstream and was able to rm -rf the tree, its no big ddal |
| 04:58.42 | kergoth | everybody has the metadata, just wipe and clone it back up |
| 04:58.57 | treke|home | Dunno what access you have with bitkeeper, but I imagine someone at bitmover can delete it :) |
| 04:59.06 | kergoth | Disconnect: there are two access levels to the repos, user and admin |
| 04:59.14 | Disconnect | at a minimum the last person to update will have all the data ;) and everyone else will have most of the data, etc.. |
| 04:59.15 | kergoth | admin can add repositories and remove them |
| 04:59.21 | kergoth | user can just push changesets and the like |
| 04:59.23 | kergoth | Disconnect: yup |
| 04:59.47 | chuckr | how does bk compare with cvs in multi-site editing situations? |
| 05:00.07 | Disconnect | its bread and butter (no pun intended) is multiple concurrent editors |
| 05:00.10 | chuckr | where you have, say, 4 main developer sites? |
| 05:00.27 | chuckr | with say 40 develoeprs scattered acress those sites? |
| 05:00.36 | Disconnect | one person has to make releases (how do multiple people build one tgz..??) but otherwise trees can all be siblings .. |
| 05:00.40 | kergoth | upstream is no different than anyone else |
| 05:00.42 | chuckr | how does it handle it? |
| 05:00.45 | kergoth | Disconnect: bingo |
| 05:00.52 | chuckr | could you compare it with ClearCase? |
| 05:00.53 | kergoth | upstream is just another clone. |
| 05:01.02 | kergoth | its peer, not client server |
| 05:01.03 | Disconnect | except for (basically) a macro for parent (defaults for pull/push, etc) the upstream is no different from the one on my laptop right now.. |
| 05:01.07 | kergoth | i send you my changes, you send me yours |
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| 05:01.27 | kergoth | you organize easily |
| 05:01.27 | Disconnect | you could 'bk parent http://whatever/' (if I put my tree up somewhere) and use me as your parent, for example. |
| 05:01.31 | chuckr | does that mean I need to be online at all times (no central repo?) |
| 05:01.33 | kergoth | say i'm the filter for this site |
| 05:01.38 | treke|home | chuckr: no. |
| 05:01.44 | kergoth | everybody in this building sends me their changes |
| 05:01.51 | treke|home | chuckr: What you have on your hard drive is a complete clone of the repository |
| 05:01.51 | kergoth | i check, approve, and push what i choose to the next level |
| 05:02.03 | kergoth | chuckr: everybody has all th history. |
| 05:02.07 | chuckr | go ahead, I'm tracking |
| 05:02.09 | treke|home | chuckr: As far as bitkeeper is concerned there is no other repository than the one on your hard drive |
| 05:02.09 | kergoth | anyone can revert to any point |
| 05:02.36 | chuckr | do you need to know who is the "author" of a particular file? |
| 05:02.51 | kergoth | i dont understand the questionn |
| 05:03.04 | treke|home | except it has the ability to send updates to other repositories, so you are able to keep one central source |
| 05:03.21 | Disconnect | chuckr: use opie. maybe I'm the non-qt packages manager. and kergoth is the overall manager, and mickey is the release manager.. you push to me, I push to kergoth, mickey pulls selectively to build stable releases.. (no, I'm not a project member particularly.. thats just for example..) |
| 05:03.27 | chuckr | I mean do you need to be able to track that I made the last change in the file, when I might have gone home, and I'm 400 miles away from you with my maince switched off? |
| 05:03.34 | chuckr | machine switched off |
| 05:03.40 | kergoth | chuckr: if i clone a repos, i have *everything* of the reops |
| 05:03.43 | kergoth | all history. |
| 05:03.45 | kergoth | everything. |
| 05:03.45 | treke|home | chuckr: No. |
| 05:03.47 | Disconnect | which oen is the "master" in that? I've got the newest packages, except the ones you maintain.. kergoth has the mostly-newest and the newest (eg) build env.. but it might not work.. mickey has the working sources.. |
| 05:03.49 | chuckr | oh |
| 05:03.49 | kergoth | upstream is no different than me |
| 05:03.54 | kergoth | he has everything too |
| 05:03.59 | kergoth | i just happen to send my changes there |
| 05:04.08 | Disconnect | chuckr: if you pushed it, upstream has it. if you didn't, it doesn't matter - you don't ever lock it. |
| 05:04.14 | treke|home | chuckr: Nothing you do has any effect on me until we both try syncing with the upstream server |
| 05:04.18 | chuckr | I'll go reading their site tomorrow. Sure wish it was my choice here. |
| 05:04.24 | Disconnect | kergoth: btw did you put buildenv in there yet? |
| 05:04.25 | chuckr | (at my work, is here) |
| 05:04.28 | treke|home | chuckr: I don't get your changes until you decide to push them back up. |
| 05:04.39 | kergoth | Disconnect: nah not yet |
| 05:04.50 | treke|home | chuckr: You can push every hour, every day, or every two weeks |
| 05:05.07 | Disconnect | kergoth: it'll seriously simplify the "how to get started" bits. save a bunch of us from a 5 minute doc-hunting session trying to find all the env vars that it needs ;) |
| 05:05.15 | kergoth | yeah, i agree |
| 05:05.15 | treke|home | chuckr: once you do that, then when I'm ready I can get your changes and deal with any conflicts if they exist |
| 05:05.25 | Disconnect | treke|home: ..or every 30 seconds, or never.. |
| 05:05.26 | kergoth | chuckr: it helps to look at how the linux kernel uses it |
| 05:05.36 | treke|home | Disconnect: yup. |
| 05:05.51 | kergoth | users flow changesets to subsystem maintainer, kernel maintainer pulls changes from that subsystem when they want an update to that |
| 05:06.04 | Disconnect | then I can take the last tag I imported from the main kernel (say, 2.4.22-rc2) and build a gnu patch from that to my current tree for distribution.. |
| 05:06.10 | kergoth | its a flow of metadata |
| 05:06.49 | treke|home | chuckr: think of it this way. You have a cvs server. |
| 05:06.55 | chuckr | hey kergoth, I just looked at your comment about hard case. I happen to have a nice hard case, it looks like a very junior sized metal case, but right for a pda and power supply. Hard. |
| 05:06.57 | kergoth | you know what we need, is a BK tips & tricks page |
| 05:06.58 | Disconnect | acpi is a great example. there are multiple acpi "heads" that deal with different issues, kernel versions, etc. they swap fixes back and forth (any place the code is similar).. there is a "release-ready" tree that they tag marcello/linus to pull from periodically.. |
| 05:07.11 | Disconnect | kergoth: IIRC bk has one on their site ;) |
| 05:07.21 | treke|home | chuckr: you download a copy of CVSROOT onto your hard drive and create a local cvs repository from it |
| 05:07.30 | kergoth | Disconnect: well, it sucks |
| 05:07.36 | kergoth | Disconnect: :) |
| 05:07.37 | treke|home | chuckr: Then you work on it, commiting changes as you go to your local machine |
| 05:07.46 | kergoth | case in point, bk -r diffs -u is slow as hell |
| 05:07.58 | kergoth | bk sfiles -c|bk diffs -u -; flies |
| 05:08.15 | treke|home | chuckr: Then when you are done you use a tool that merges your changed local cvs repository back into the original cvs repository |
| 05:08.20 | chuckr | I tend to do several hours of work, only want to do commits when things compile again |
| 05:08.40 | chuckr | I don't like someone to see my work in an uncomplete condition |
| 05:08.54 | treke|home | chuckr: That's the difference in bitkeeper |
| 05:08.57 | chuckr | I see what you mean |
| 05:09.03 | kergoth | chuckr: the difference here is, you check those changes into your local working repos |
| 05:09.04 | Disconnect | chuckr: then you'd have 2 local repositories... a work-in-progress that gets thrown out when its hosed, and a release-quality one that kergoth wouldd periodically pull from |
| 05:09.07 | kergoth | nobody sees it, but you track history |
| 05:09.12 | kergoth | yep, precisely |
| 05:09.21 | treke|home | chuckr: No one sees your work when you check things in, so you can check things in more often and then push when things work |
| 05:09.22 | Disconnect | (fyi, those multiple repositories can be hardlinked and relinked to save space..) |
| 05:09.29 | chuckr | so I could more or less use it in both situations, local for my own changefs, but not push the changes until I feel good about them |
| 05:09.37 | kergoth | chuckr: yup |
| 05:09.39 | treke|home | right. |
| 05:10.01 | kergoth | i tend to have like 3-4 local hardlinked clones of the packages repository, who all have a "gatekeeper" repos as their parent |
| 05:10.07 | chuckr | kergoth, describe that "hard case" comment again, from before, I have one you might like |
| 05:10.16 | kergoth | so all my changes, regardless of what i'm working on, flow through a signle point |
| 05:10.16 | Disconnect | see my earlier comments about having 3-5 kernel trees lying around while I'm building patchsets. (I find that if a patch won't go straight in its easiest to clone the tree from the vanilla tag, import the patch, then pull that into the main tree) |
| 05:10.35 | kergoth | chuckr: just looking for one. who makes it? |
| 05:11.00 | Disconnect | in theory you could do it all with one tree (for push at least) by selecting changesets by hand.. in practice, better to do that locally and let the maintainers pull into the official repo on their schedule |
| 05:11.04 | treke|home | It's nice not having to worry about what anyone else is doing breaking what I'm working on until everything is solid |
| 05:11.20 | chuckr | I have to find out, my son bought it for me, it's about 12 inces by 10 inches by maybe 4 inches, alum edges, black cu=orrugated sides, nice handle |
| 05:11.54 | Disconnect | ah. the targus case fits in the inside pocket of my leather. (and in the back pocket of my jeans, if i don't plan on sitting down) |
| 05:12.06 | chuckr | if you like the idea, I will mail you a pic immediately (I have a cell phone that will do that) |
| 05:12.17 | kergoth | treke|home: yep. you can get that by just not pushing/committing until you're ready, but then you arent really tracking the versions of your stuff as you go |
| 05:12.24 | kergoth | so if you rm it, you lost data |
| 05:12.42 | kergoth | i really like that aspect |
| 05:12.55 | chuckr | kergoth, gimme an short email address, I gotta key it in |
| 05:13.03 | treke|home | kergoth: Yeah, but you can back that up |
| 05:13.08 | kergoth | ibot: kergoth |
| 05:13.13 | | [kergoth] Chris Larson, OpenZaurus/OpenEmbedded project maintainer, available at kergoth@handhelds.org |
| 05:13.22 | chuckr | from my phone i gotta key it in |
| 05:13.27 | chuckr | gotcha |
| 05:17.49 | kergoth | do most people put the packages repos within the oe one? |
| 05:18.03 | kergoth | they're siblings here |
| 05:18.17 | chuckr | 2pics on the way, hard disk is in pic to give scale to it. |
| 05:18.30 | Disconnect | I put it inside because the docs indicated as much. seems strange to have them split like that, really.. |
| 05:18.54 | kergoth | strange how? |
| 05:19.01 | kergoth | i foresee people not even using the oe repos half the time |
| 05:19.09 | kergoth | just installing an OE rpm and building a set of metadata with the tools |
| 05:19.20 | kergoth | there are any number of sets of metadata, packages is only one |
| 05:19.28 | kergoth | TI for example keeps their own set of .oe files for their builds |
| 05:21.14 | treke|home | btw, does oeimage do ipkg installation or is it still direct install? |
| 05:21.17 | Disconnect | and outside of ti, who's gonna use it that way? thats somewhat like the scripts/ dir in the kernel sources.. sure, other projects use the config parts.. but its not shipped/handled separately.. |
| 05:21.44 | kergoth | Disconnect: well, i know gb2 developed his toolchain builds for uclibc in a seperate metadata repos |
| 05:22.20 | kergoth | if you need to build a small distro, you probably dont need all the metadata we have for the main repos |
| 05:22.24 | kergoth | overkill |
| 05:23.00 | Disconnect | yah but with that you can grab the snapshot and rm -rf packages/ .. |
| 05:23.11 | Disconnect | 99% of the people are going to be building or (hopefully) contributing to openzaurus.. |
| 05:23.25 | treke|home | Disconnect: Sot hey can grab the packages repository. not that hard |
| 05:23.43 | kergoth | yes, but i'm not going to arbitrarily limit flexibility |
| 05:24.19 | Disconnect | then why not ship each package in a separate dir? most people won't build most of them...... and what if I want to do a different, smaller dist? I have to get all those packages for the few that I want.. |
| 05:24.47 | kergoth | ? |
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| 05:24.51 | kergoth | they are in speerate dirs. |
| 05:24.54 | Disconnect | s/dir/feed |
| 05:24.56 | kergoth | just not seperate repositories |
| 05:24.59 | treke|home | keeping each package in it's own repository is overkill |
| 05:25.06 | kergoth | and a pain to manage |
| 05:25.08 | treke|home | It's just a balance |
| 05:25.17 | kergoth | <joshua_> Hans Reiser ate my homework |
| 05:25.19 | kergoth | hah |
| 05:25.37 | treke|home | If somone is building a distribution it make sense to let the use pick which ones out of the metadata repository they want to use |
| 05:25.45 | Disconnect | I want the newest JoesCoolBox .. I update packages.. turns out JoesCoolBox doesn't build without the (unrelated) oe update... |
| 05:25.51 | kergoth | i should also point out that OE is not only designed for use at this level |
| 05:25.58 | kergoth | it is also a tool for use *within* upstream |
| 05:26.01 | kergoth | e.g. |
| 05:26.04 | kergoth | i write foobarapp |
| 05:26.13 | treke|home | if someone is using oe to build opie they shouldnt need all of the metadata for openzaurus |
| 05:26.14 | kergoth | i dont want to keep around a .spec, .control, debian/, etc |
| 05:26.21 | kergoth | so i create .oe at toplevel |
| 05:26.29 | Disconnect | ok .. bk is smart enough to catch it with (eg) citool and not try to ship packages/.. |
| 05:26.33 | kergoth | and just cd foobarapp; oebuild; to bulid my app |
| 05:26.54 | kergoth | in that context the tools neednt ship with the product |
| 05:26.54 | treke|home | Disconnect: It's simpler just to put it in a different repository than fight with it. |
| 05:26.56 | ljp | /me searches for foobarapp and cant find it |
| 05:27.08 | kergoth | and are used as an external app not unlike make and other |
| 05:27.08 | kergoth | s |
| 05:27.23 | treke|home | Why worry about removing packages when you can just not download it in the first data |
| 05:27.26 | kergoth | Opie will be using it just like that |
| 05:27.40 | mclaren | hi, i was trying to build APMD, but i got this error from log_do_compile -- Relocations in generic ELF (EM:40) |
| 05:27.43 | mclaren | any ideas? |
| 05:28.17 | mclaren | i didn't edit anything there... and do_compile() failed |
| 05:28.40 | kergoth | builds fine here. what architecture are you building for? |
| 05:28.48 | mclaren | poodle |
| 05:29.06 | kergoth | .. |
| 05:29.09 | kergoth | poodle is not an architcutre. |
| 05:29.16 | kergoth | what is TARGET_ARCH set to in conf/local.conf? |
| 05:30.01 | mclaren | i mean ARM ....and also, i got some error on glibc... do_stage() failed |
| 05:30.19 | kergoth | paste your conf/local.conf. |
| 05:31.43 | mclaren | TARGET_ARCH=arm |
| 05:31.43 | mclaren | DL_DIR=/home/daniel/Zaurus/KernelSrc/Treke/oe-exported |
| 05:31.43 | mclaren | OEFILES=${TOPDIR}/*/*.oe |
| 05:31.47 | chuckr | I need a bit of explanation of the use of OEFILES, it can't be what I see in the wiki I think |
| 05:31.59 | chuckr | oh, TOPDIR |
| 05:32.01 | kergoth | i should add ${HOME}/.oe to the default OEPATH, and add site.conf to the default includes |
| 05:32.14 | kergoth | then i can easily maintain DL_DIR and similar somewhere semi global |
| 05:32.36 | chuckr | by TOPDIR you mean OEDIR? |
| 05:32.42 | kergoth | no. |
| 05:32.55 | kergoth | TOPDIR is the dir you're building in, aka cwd |
| 05:33.03 | chuckr | then topdir in ref to what, the tools dir? |
| 05:33.07 | kergoth | that assumes you're building within the packages repos |
| 05:33.11 | chuckr | oh |
| 05:33.17 | kergoth | i build in empty dirs most ot he time |
| 05:33.27 | kergoth | mkdir -p mipsbuild/conf |
| 05:33.37 | kergoth | echo TARGET_ARCH=mipsel >> mipsbuild/conf/local.conf |
| 05:33.39 | kergoth | cd mipsbuild; oemake |
| 05:33.42 | kergoth | that sort of thing |
| 05:33.45 | chuckr | TOPDIR is a workdir, then that OEFILES is initially empty |
| 05:33.56 | kergoth | unless TOPDIR is the packages dir |
| 05:33.58 | kergoth | i just said that |
| 05:34.01 | mclaren | i got a log_do_stage error on glibc -- sed: file ../scripts/output-format.sed line 21: Unknown command: ``Q'' |
| 05:34.01 | chuckr | ok |
| 05:34.06 | kergoth | his local.conf assumes he's building in packages |
| 05:34.12 | kergoth | mclaren: your x86 sed binary is old |
| 05:34.21 | kergoth | mclaren: oebuild sed/sed-native_*.oe first |
| 05:34.23 | mclaren | ..? |
| 05:34.27 | mclaren | ok |
| 05:34.37 | kergoth | thats a distroism, your build machien has an old sed |
| 05:34.41 | kergoth | run into that myself on my rh73 box |
| 05:35.18 | mclaren | err... so, what do i do for the APMD do_compile() error? |
| 05:35.29 | kergoth | not sure whats up with your apmd. do an oebuild clean on it, then rebuild it, and if that still fails, email the do_compile log to the openembedded-devel list |
| 05:35.40 | mclaren | ok... thanks! |
| 05:35.44 | kergoth | np |
| 05:40.27 | mclaren | i got this error on apmd: |
| 05:40.30 | mclaren | gcc -shared apmlib.lo -L/home/daniel/Zaurus/KernelSrc/Treke/oe-exported/packages/tmp/staging/target/lib -L/home/daniel/Zaurus/KernelSrc/Treke/oe-exported/packages/tmp/staging/usr/X11R6/lib -Wl,-rpath-link -Wl,/home/daniel/Zaurus/KernelSrc/Treke/oe-exported/packages/tmp/staging/target/lib -Wl,-rpath-link -Wl,/home/daniel/Zaurus/KernelSrc/Treke/oe-exported/packages/tmp/staging/usr/X11R6/lib -Wl,-soname -Wl,libapm.so.1 -o .libs/libapm.so.1.0 |
| 05:40.30 | mclaren | .0 |
| 05:40.30 | mclaren | /usr/bin/ld: apmlib.lo: Relocations in generic ELF (EM: 40) |
| 05:40.30 | mclaren | apmlib.lo: could not read symbols: File in wrong format |
| 05:40.36 | mclaren | sorry about that.... |
| 05:40.43 | kergoth | its using an x86 gcc |
| 05:40.50 | mclaren | yup.... |
| 05:41.05 | kergoth | odd, it doesnt do that here |
| 05:41.09 | kergoth | oh, apmd uses libtool |
| 05:41.12 | kergoth | did you build libtool-cross yet? |
| 05:41.15 | mclaren | so, why is it like that, when i set the conf correctly |
| 05:41.20 | mclaren | nope... |
| 05:41.22 | mclaren | ok |
| 05:41.28 | kergoth | build autoconf-native, automake-native, and libtool-cross |
| 05:41.33 | kergoth | then everybody'll be happier |
| 05:42.02 | mclaren | gee... i think we should have a list of packages which should be built first... don't you think? :D |
| 05:42.15 | kergoth | oebuild showdata apmd/apmd_3.2.0.oe|grep ^DEPENDS |
| 05:42.20 | kergoth | ta da, a list of packages which should be built first |
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| 05:42.22 | kergoth | ;) |
| 05:42.42 | kergoth | i should document showdata, its a useful debugging tool |
| 05:42.51 | mclaren | didn't know that.. oebuild --help doesn't show any other relevant info.. |
| 05:43.41 | kergoth | yeah i know, long story |
| 05:45.56 | mclaren | thanks again! |
| 05:48.10 | omin0us | ugg. i can't get apache to work under 3.3.5 |
| 05:48.13 | Disconnect | mclaren: add those notes to the wiki.. |
| 05:48.15 | omin0us | or mysql :( |
| 05:49.05 | Disconnect | omin0us: whats it say when you run apachectl? if its 'no such file' check the first line, it prolly can't find the interpreter |
| 05:49.22 | omin0us | ok |
| 05:49.51 | omin0us | i need to use 1.3.19 right? |
| 05:50.03 | omin0us | apache 1.3.19 i mean |
| 05:50.15 | omin0us | or is 1.3.24 ready yet/ |
| 05:50.16 | omin0us | ? |
| 05:54.36 | omin0us | does mysql work at all for OZ? |
| 05:55.02 | kergoth | theres nothing about oz thatd make mysql not work |
| 05:55.04 | kergoth | who knows |
| 05:55.10 | kergoth | there are a *lot* of shitty ipks out there |
| 05:55.11 | omin0us | it won't even install |
| 05:55.14 | omin0us | heh |
| 05:55.15 | kergoth | probably 95% are worthless |
| 05:55.17 | omin0us | very true |
| 05:56.21 | omin0us | well, tomorrow my c760 arrives, so i can take my mind off of this for a while :) |
| 05:56.29 | omin0us | i can't wait to test out OZ 3.3.5 on it |
| 05:56.44 | Disconnect | cruel joke of the day: http://bash.org/?182636 |
| 05:58.51 | omin0us | lmao |
| 06:00.02 | Disconnect | or http://bash.org/?4848 |
| 06:00.48 | Disconnect | or just ?top .. the top few are all funny as hell |
| 06:01.23 | omin0us | Disconnect: yes the problem with the apachectl script is that whenever i download it to my CF, since its not included in the package, windows adds abunch of chars that become interpreted to ^M in OZ |
| 06:02.01 | treke|home | Disconnect: http://bash.org/?10958 |
| 06:02.32 | Disconnect | omin0us: fun. there is something (dostools?) that has 'dos2unix' to convert that back |
| 06:02.44 | Disconnect | treke|home: lol |
| 06:03.05 | kergoth | treke|home: aha |
| 06:03.08 | Disconnect | treke|home: 23601 |
| 06:04.44 | Disconnect | 12431 reminds me of some cons I've worked (we had s. baptists on one half of the floor, the S&M party on the other half one year.. heh.. it was funny as hell.. thought one guy was gonna die.. its not like you could 'accidentally' wander in - they had an id chekc etc around the corner from the rooms..) |
| 06:07.43 | treke|home | http://bash.org/?50938 |
| 06:08.37 | Disconnect | heh |
| 06:10.52 | kergoth | http://bash.org/?104052 |
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| 06:16.32 | Disconnect | http://bash.org/?36063 |
| 06:16.36 | Disconnect | and on that note, its bedtime |
| 06:17.31 | kergoth | night |
| 06:20.36 | omin0us | night kergoth |
| 06:20.46 | cyn | Disconnect went night, not kergoth |
| 06:20.50 | omin0us | oh |
| 06:20.52 | omin0us | lmao |
| 06:21.01 | omin0us | didn't notice that part |
| 06:21.36 | omin0us | crap |
| 06:21.41 | omin0us | i needed to ask him something too |
| 06:22.51 | omin0us | when i try to run apachectl on it, i get permission denied |
| 06:22.51 | mithro-- | whats the prefered format for ebooks on the Z? |
| 06:23.05 | omin0us | even after chmod 777 apachectl |
| 06:23.08 | omin0us | ?? |
| 06:23.10 | omin0us | makes no sense |
| 06:24.11 | mithro-- | omin0us is the file system you are running on it have noexec bit? |
| 06:25.27 | omin0us | no |
| 06:25.33 | omin0us | ok, i figured it out |
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| 06:25.45 | omin0us | after running it through dos2unix on the z |
| 06:25.52 | omin0us | it made it not executable anymore |
| 06:26.01 | omin0us | just had to do chmod 755 on it |
| 06:29.27 | omin0us | dammit, there is no httpd.pif in /home/www/logs |
| 06:29.43 | cyn | why would the pid file be in /home |
| 06:34.58 | omin0us | because /home/www is where all the apache files are |
| 06:35.01 | omin0us | nevermind |
| 06:35.05 | omin0us | i got apache working :) |
| 06:35.17 | omin0us | now if only i could get the damn mysql ipk to work |
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| 06:49.39 | omin0us | wow, did everyone see this? |
| 06:49.40 | omin0us | http://www.zaurususergroup.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=463 |
| 06:49.42 | omin0us | very bad news |
| 06:50.56 | treke|home | not in any way surprising |
| 06:53.12 | cyn | ewies |
| 06:54.03 | omin0us | still sucks though |
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| 06:59.03 | W8TVI | morons at sharp dont like us here in the US |
| 06:59.18 | W8TVI | or anyone outside of japan |
| 06:59.19 | omin0us | apparently not |
| 06:59.27 | omin0us | i guess spencer quit |
| 06:59.48 | W8TVI | thats really sad... |
| 06:59.51 | omin0us | that sucks badley though. cause i get my c760 tomorrow. |
| 07:00.02 | W8TVI | I wonder how long they |
| 07:00.04 | omin0us | i am probably going to have a lot of questions regarding it |
| 07:00.24 | W8TVI | I wonder how long they'll keep making the linux zaurus line |
| 07:00.44 | omin0us | i could see the sl-6000 being the last in the line |
| 07:00.52 | omin0us | well, for the US anyways |
| 07:01.31 | W8TVI | yeah |
| 07:02.02 | W8TVI | if they had cared about making any money, they could have kept with it |
| 07:02.15 | W8TVI | its a very good start for a linux PDA |
| 07:02.15 | omin0us | yeah |
| 07:02.21 | omin0us | i thought so |
| 07:02.35 | W8TVI | they could have been a player in the PDA market |
| 07:03.08 | W8TVI | they might have been able to take some of the market from palm and mircosoft based PDAs |
| 07:05.03 | W8TVI | I guess we'll have to go with the yoppy |
| 07:05.50 | W8TVI | if we dont want to get the pda from japan |
| 07:06.17 | omin0us | ughh |
| 07:06.24 | omin0us | i'll pass on yopy |
| 07:06.27 | omin0us | i hate how it looks |
| 07:06.31 | W8TVI | the latest yoppy is good |
| 07:06.42 | W8TVI | looks good |
| 07:06.50 | omin0us | i'd rather just go with ipaq and get linux on that |
| 07:06.52 | W8TVI | looks like a werid GBA |
| 07:06.58 | omin0us | really |
| 07:07.20 | W8TVI | I'd rather go back to a sony pda than a ipaq |
| 07:07.29 | omin0us | clie? |
| 07:07.35 | W8TVI | yeah |
| 07:07.36 | omin0us | why? |
| 07:07.37 | W8TVI | nx83 |
| 07:07.47 | omin0us | well, i guess i'm not in it for PIMs |
| 07:07.55 | W8TVI | I"m not eather |
| 07:07.57 | omin0us | i could care less about managing myself |
| 07:07.58 | omin0us | lol |
| 07:08.04 | omin0us | i got the zaurus for Linux |
| 07:08.06 | W8TVI | but thats how little ipaqs |
| 07:08.13 | W8TVI | that what I got it for too |
| 07:08.24 | omin0us | then why would you get a clie? |
| 07:08.36 | W8TVI | no keyboard on an ipaq |
| 07:08.43 | W8TVI | the clie has a keyboard |
| 07:08.47 | omin0us | i could live with that if i had to |
| 07:08.54 | omin0us | but... no linux on a clie |
| 07:08.56 | omin0us | lol |
| 07:09.01 | W8TVI | on screen keyboards suck |
| 07:09.06 | omin0us | keyboard...linux? |
| 07:09.13 | omin0us | linux is what i'll take |
| 07:09.31 | omin0us | the new ipaqs have keyboards |
| 07:10.03 | W8TVI | hah |
| 07:10.04 | W8TVI | http://www.yopy.org/ |
| 07:10.09 | W8TVI | what ones? |
| 07:10.20 | W8TVI | Yopy.org - coming soon. |
| 07:10.20 | W8TVI | Does the Yopy Suck? |
| 07:10.21 | W8TVI | Maybe you would like to get involved in another Embedded Linux project? Or perhaps see the Old yopy.org? Brought to you by http://rikers.org/ on SourceForge. |
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| 07:24.38 | brokenchaos | Anyone got OZ 3.3.5 on a 5600? |
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| 07:37.39 | W8TVI | hmm |
| 07:37.49 | W8TVI | yp3700 costs $499 |
| 07:38.32 | W8TVI | hmmm |
| 07:38.43 | W8TVI | look at the two pictures on the bottom of this page: http://www.sdgsystems.com/ |
| 07:38.52 | W8TVI | they are sl-5500s |
| 07:40.33 | omin0us | lmao |
| 07:40.56 | W8TVI | Type I CompactFlash bar code scanner |
| 07:41.05 | W8TVI | http://www.sdgsystems.com/products/mobiliscan/ |
| 07:41.18 | W8TVI | " The MobiliScan HS Bar Code Scanner provides the precision and speed of a bar code scanner with the mobility of a handheld computer. Obtaining power from its host, the MobiliScan HS integrates into a complete mobile system, giving you both data acquisition and data processing in one unit. When combined with the powerful open source model of a Linux-based Zaurus, the possibilities are incredible." |
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| 07:53.27 | cyn | INcredible |
| 08:03.41 | ||ugh | Morning Twiun |
| 08:11.50 | Twiun | howdy ||ugh |
| 08:12.00 | Twiun | How's things? |
| 08:15.44 | ||ugh | Annoying, off to visit a lass and things are just nuts around her. Time to head home and work... |
| 08:17.36 | ||ugh | Twiun, is 3.3.5 really released anywhere, or just some of the apps? |
| 08:18.07 | brokenchaos | http://www.openzaurus.org/official/testing/3.3.5/ |
| 08:18.17 | brokenchaos | or: http://www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.3.5/ |
| 08:18.42 | Twiun | ||ugh: what brokenchaos said ;) |
| 08:19.00 | Twiun | ||ugh: mickeyl did the release |
| 08:19.16 | brokenchaos | I have a quick trigge-- typing finger. ;P |
| 08:19.31 | brokenchaos | I wish it actually worked on the 5600... But it doesn't. |
| 08:21.43 | Twiun | we don't have someone handy with a 5600 to debug it unfortunately |
| 08:22.15 | brokenchaos | I've got one... Just can't even get 3.3.5 even to boot after a flash... :( |
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| 08:22.46 | brokenchaos | And of course the lack of any sort of output... Kinda ruins the chances to see what's wrong. |
| 08:22.56 | Twiun | might be useful to try a debug kernel - for exactly that reason ;) |
| 08:23.11 | Twiun | might need to wait until Disconnect has 3.3.5 duplicatable |
| 08:24.51 | Twiun | there were a few bits that weren't (mickeyl was a bit overworked towards the release date) |
| 08:25.09 | ||ugh | Thanks, I just have the 5500 and so can't help with the 5600 issues. |
| 08:25.42 | W8TVI | cool |
| 08:26.03 | W8TVI | now I can use my ambicom wl1100c-cf with my laptop now :) |
| 08:28.02 | ljp | :) |
| 08:28.58 | W8TVI | its a prism2.5 card |
| 08:29.07 | W8TVI | but I didn't have XP drivers for it |
| 08:29.16 | W8TVI | its great with knoppix |
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| 08:30.30 | omin0us | how do you use that on your laptop? |
| 08:30.36 | omin0us | pcmcia to CF? |
| 08:30.54 | W8TVI | yep |
| 08:31.14 | W8TVI | got an adapter at radio shack for $12 |
| 08:31.35 | zakk | W8TVI: did you have to do anything special to make it work? |
| 08:31.44 | omin0us | anyone here use FreeBSD, and know how to do USB networking with it? |
| 08:31.48 | W8TVI | no. just install the drivers |
| 08:31.51 | zakk | hm |
| 08:31.51 | zakk | okay |
| 08:31.57 | omin0us | what drivers? |
| 08:32.08 | W8TVI | on linux, it looks like a common prism2 card |
| 08:32.25 | omin0us | oh, that wasn't directed towards me |
| 08:32.51 | W8TVI | lol |
| 08:33.05 | W8TVI | omin0us: just install the usb stuff! |
| 08:33.06 | W8TVI | :P |
| 08:33.25 | omin0us | then how do i set IP of the USB end |
| 08:33.35 | omin0us | and when i do ifconfig /a |
| 08:33.43 | omin0us | i mean |
| 08:33.47 | omin0us | ifconfig -a |
| 08:34.02 | omin0us | it doesn't show the usb as a network device |
| 08:34.03 | W8TVI | couldnt really tell ya... have you checked the howtos about usbnet? |
| 08:34.22 | omin0us | no, i googled "usb networking freebsd" |
| 08:34.28 | omin0us | but found nothing useful really |
| 08:34.36 | W8TVI | check out the howtos on http://www.zaurususergroup.com |
| 08:34.42 | W8TVI | it might help |
| 08:36.17 | W8TVI | I want to get one of these for my zaurus: http://www.ambicom.com/products/gps/gps-cf.html |
| 08:37.37 | ||ugh | There are two companys making bluetooth GPS units, I suspect that thats the way to go for GPS on the Z (esp the SL-6000W). |
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| 08:39.33 | W8TVI | ||ugh: I'd rather just have the cf card |
| 08:39.47 | W8TVI | uses less than 100ma |
| 08:40.50 | W8TVI | eather that or get a cable to go between that z and my garmin gps 12xl |
| 08:40.53 | W8TVI | well... |
| 08:40.55 | W8TVI | night guys |
| 08:42.03 | donio | that reminds me, is there a good and inexpensive serial cable out there for the Z? |
| 08:44.15 | ||ugh | SerialIO has good stuff. |
| 08:47.03 | donio | ah the zthincable stuff right? that looks pretty good just a bit more expensive than i was hoping for |
| 08:48.09 | ||ugh | Just got the USB cable, it's fantastic. Frankly, if you want cheap, then go with something else, but if you want "works", the SerialIO is good. |
| 08:48.17 | donio | but i guess thats the way to go |
| 08:48.34 | donio | yeah, you are probably right |
| 08:50.25 | donio | oh, it looks like they have a 1ft version now, that would be perfect |
| 08:51.08 | ||ugh | Whoa, the bar code scanner looks like it's out of Star Trek. |
| 08:58.49 | donio | heh |
| 09:02.24 | donio | gotta go (and my battery is running low), thanks for the advice |
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| 09:22.34 | TCMAN | hi |
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| 09:56.36 | crazy-b | hi |
| 10:28.56 | ||ugh | Humm, mediaplayer2 needs something (a "demux plugin") to play .oggs (and loops asking for this such that one has to logout...). Anyone know what ipkg it really wants? |
| 10:31.35 | Twiun | isn't there a codecs ipk that contains that? |
| 10:33.18 | crazy-b | damn kismet-qt doesnt work on 3.3.5 hehe shittt. |
| 10:35.09 | ||ugh | I installed libogg, nothing else seems to be 'it'. |
| 10:37.05 | Twiun | there are no mediaplayer2-codecs packages? |
| 10:38.29 | ||ugh | not that I see on the feed: http://www.openzaurus.org/official/testing/3.3.5/ |
| 10:40.23 | Twiun | that feed only includes packages that built successfully iirc, hence the testing/unstable varieties |
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| 13:12.33 | tuxoverflow | anyone know of any messenger clients for Z apart from gaim |
| 13:12.54 | tuxoverflow | after i have installed gain it locks my sd card on resume |
| 13:13.39 | Twiun | tuxoverflow: doesn't that only happen if you're running it _from_ the sd card? |
| 13:13.55 | tuxoverflow | no installed to ram |
| 13:14.17 | tuxoverflow | when i resume oz it umounts and remounts the sd card |
| 13:14.30 | Twiun | this is 3.3.5 I presume? |
| 13:14.34 | tuxoverflow | but once ive installed gaim it wont umount the sd card |
| 13:14.37 | tuxoverflow | no 3.2 |
| 13:14.51 | tuxoverflow | cant get all the apps to work on 3.3.5 |
| 13:14.51 | Twiun | ah. |
| 13:15.10 | Twiun | have you sent bug reports for those that didn't? |
| 13:15.26 | tuxoverflow | are you using 3.3.5 |
| 13:15.49 | tuxoverflow | yes im going to put a bug report in on the gaim site today |
| 13:16.06 | Twiun | That's what I installed before I handed it over to the future opie gui designer |
| 13:16.33 | Twiun | plan is to get a nice, consistend look and feel to opie guis |
| 13:16.42 | Twiun | s/consistend/consistent/ |
| 14:05.44 | chouimat | morning |
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| 15:03.50 | escobarf | hi, someone know is the sharp zaurus forum it's down? |
| 15:06.25 | ictyl | afaik www.zaurus.com has been down since yesterday afternoon |
| 15:06.51 | escobarf | thanks, i've some doubts about it |
| 15:12.56 | Twiun | escobarf: http://www.zaurususergroup.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=463 |
| 15:15.15 | escobarf | Twium: i've a suspiction about the Spencer's change of job and his consequences |
| 15:15.44 | escobarf | then the forum is moved there? |
| 15:17.10 | polin8 | hey all |
| 15:17.44 | polin8 | just intalled oz 3.2.5 and multisync 0.81 |
| 15:18.06 | polin8 | 3.2.5 is great, thanks for everyone thats worked on it |
| 15:18.37 | polin8 | 3.3.5 |
| 15:19.05 | polin8 | whatever was in unofficial a few days ago ;) |
| 15:20.01 | polin8 | zaurus <-> evo sync with multisync stopped working, unfortunately I'm not sure if it the new OZ image or the new multisync |
| 15:20.19 | polin8 | actually, wrong channel, it would be an opie thing I think |
| 15:20.23 | escobarf | i need to know your first impressions about it. maybe i make the change from my 3.3.4 very soon |
| 15:22.00 | polin8 | escobarf: I like it so far, no show bugs except not being able to get mediaplayer installed because of a libstdc++ dep error |
| 15:23.54 | escobarf | well, at my oz 3.3.4 too |
| 15:25.19 | polin8 | this is 3.2.5rc3 from unofficial |
| 15:25.26 | polin8 | not sure how it relates to the new release |
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| 15:30.10 | polin8 | anyone know if thats going to catch fire? |
| 15:47.53 | mickeyl | not a good idea |
| 15:48.14 | mickeyl | upgrading the base packages will mostly render your pda useless |
| 15:48.31 | mickeyl | we really didn't care about a sane upgrade path yet |
| 15:50.39 | escobarf | mickeyl:what's new in 3.3.6 release? |
| 15:56.56 | mickeyl | 3.3.6 ? |
| 15:57.05 | mickeyl | there is no such thing |
| 15:57.19 | mickeyl | 3.3.5 news are on openzaurus.org |
| 15:57.29 | mickeyl | you really don't want me to repeat that here or do you? |
| 15:58.29 | escobarf | sorry, i read something about it in zug forum |
| 16:13.11 | mickeyl | ah i know |
| 16:13.14 | mickeyl | read closely |
| 16:13.17 | mickeyl | 3.3.6-pre0 |
| 16:13.31 | mickeyl | that's far away from 3.3.6 |
| 16:13.50 | mickeyl | (if 3.3.6 will be released anyway) |
| 16:17.49 | Twiun | doubt that'll happen from the buildroot - think the first OE-based release will be 3.5.x, right? |
| 16:20.03 | mickeyl | yep |
| 16:20.04 | mickeyl | 3.5.1 |
| 16:20.20 | mickeyl | 3.4 won't see the light of day either |
| 16:25.10 | mickeyl | aah |
| 16:25.11 | mickeyl | http://zaurususergroup.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=463&highlight= |
| 16:25.23 | mickeyl | explains a bit more about spencer leaving and zaurus.com/dev shutdown |
| 16:25.29 | mickeyl | seems it's not a coincidence |
| 16:25.43 | mickeyl | :( |
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| 16:32.51 | Elrond42 | hello |
| 16:41.34 | Elrond42 | is the bug database for OZ on Sourceforge still in use ? |
| 16:46.41 | treke|home | That's the best place for bug reports |
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| 16:54.20 | shaunj | so, before what I have done is move all my system files (/opt /home and others) to /mnt/card and then create symbolic links. I saw a guide on this and it said it gives you more available system memory because everything is stored on the card. |
| 16:54.33 | shaunj | Do people recommend this? |
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| 17:02.27 | Pendalar | yes, assuming it's at least an ext2 card |
| 17:02.48 | Pendalar | normal fat type formatted cards are pretty annoying on linking |
| 17:03.08 | Pendalar | and it will probably slow the system down a tad, but still plenty usable |
| 17:03.26 | Pendalar | well might just slow on booting, after that there may be little difference |
| 17:08.03 | shaunj | well... the reason I asked was because it seemed slower |
| 17:08.11 | Elrond42 | shaunj: I did that too |
| 17:08.13 | shaunj | I just flashed to oz3.3.5 and it seems much faster |
| 17:08.25 | Elrond42 | it happens that the SD card is lots more slow than ROM access tho |
| 17:08.30 | shaunj | and I don't really see the advantage as long as I do all my installs to the sd card anyways |
| 17:09.03 | Elrond42 | an interesting thing to do is linking /root/Documents to /mnt/card so that document r/w is not done in ROM (to prevent ROM wearing effect) |
| 17:09.21 | shaunj | if I'm using the 64-0 kernel, is there really an advantage at all? |
| 17:09.59 | Elrond42 | more RAM |
| 17:10.05 | Elrond42 | == more simultaneous applications |
| 17:10.12 | Elrond42 | == bigger pictures in the image viewer |
| 17:10.24 | shaunj | ok... so here's my second question then |
| 17:10.36 | shaunj | before i just did cp -R on /home /opt and /root |
| 17:10.57 | shaunj | when I do that now, I get caught by a symlink in /opt and it recursivly creates a directory till it fills up my sd card |
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| 17:11.56 | Elrond42 | I use "mv" |
| 17:12.25 | shaunj | excellent idea! |
| 17:12.44 | Pendalar | *grin* |
| 17:15.17 | mallum | forgive me if Im being dumb here, but I just grab the zImage from the kernel build in openzuarus to use for flashing right ? |
| 17:15.59 | Pendalar | and the initrd.bin |
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| 17:16.11 | shaunj | and make sure you grab the right zImage |
| 17:16.25 | shaunj | (depending on which zaurus you have and which memory breakdown you prefer) |
| 17:16.31 | Pendalar | 2 files, on a FAT CF, ensure to rename zImage_blah-blahblah to zImage |
| 17:16.44 | gawel | howdy |
| 17:16.44 | mallum | I got the initrd.bin, but cant remember where I get the ZImage from. Its been a while |
| 17:16.57 | shaunj | you get them all from the website |
| 17:17.37 | Pendalar | it might be easier to go to www.openzaurus.org/official/ and poke around with the dir structure |
| 17:17.44 | Pendalar | rather than the download pages |
| 17:18.00 | Pendalar | wb mickeyl |
| 17:18.10 | mallum | This is to try out a kernel patch rather than a regular build |
| 17:18.19 | shaunj | Elrond42: should I move over /bin too? I'm moving /root /home /opt |
| 17:18.22 | Pendalar | ah |
| 17:18.37 | gawel | is there a perl dependency in buildroot environment? i'm trying to build 3.3.5 on redhat9 and deps.pl craps out |
| 17:18.37 | Elrond42 | shaunj: no not at all |
| 17:18.42 | mickeyl | hi |
| 17:18.50 | shaunj | how come? |
| 17:18.51 | Elrond42 | shaunj: an you should not move /root either, only its subdirectory |
| 17:19.06 | shaunj | why? |
| 17:19.14 | Elrond42 | since both /bin (and its contents) and /root (the directory itself) are used before the sd card is mounted |
| 17:19.28 | shaunj | ok |
| 17:19.57 | shaunj | and /bin is just system stuff (cp, mount, etc) while all applications are in /opt/QtPalmtop/bin right? |
| 17:20.38 | Elrond42 | right |
| 17:20.45 | Elrond42 | you have some other programs in /usr/bin too |
| 17:20.57 | Elrond42 | and libraries in /lib and /usr/lib (besides /opt/QtPalmtop/lib) |
| 17:24.26 | shaunj | don't a lot of programs write files to /root though? wont that contribute to rom wear? |
| 17:24.34 | shaunj | (I know wellenreiter for one writes logs there) |
| 17:25.10 | mickeyl | ? |
| 17:25.33 | Disconnect | doh. I forgot to dump out my calendar entries before flashing OZ again. whoops. |
| 17:25.39 | mickeyl | programs write to ~/Documents |
| 17:25.42 | mickeyl | programs write to ~/Settings |
| 17:25.49 | mickeyl | programs write to ~/Application |
| 17:26.02 | mickeyl | so linking that to SD is a good idea |
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| 17:26.54 | kolla | is there supposed to be sound working in OZ3.3.5? |
| 17:27.04 | mickeyl | opie system sounds work |
| 17:27.10 | mickeyl | never tried audio though... |
| 17:27.26 | mickeyl | should work through /dev/dsp |
| 17:27.40 | kolla | opieplayer wont play oggs and if I play avi it is silent |
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| 17:27.58 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 17:30.26 | kolla | if sound doesnt work, OZ3.3.5 is really useless to me.. bad enough that wlan doesnt work |
| 17:30.35 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 17:30.36 | mickeyl | wlan works here |
| 17:30.59 | kolla | works just barely here |
| 17:30.59 | mickeyl | model? |
| 17:31.04 | kolla | if I stand 2m from the AC |
| 17:31.06 | Disconnect | works here, out of the box |
| 17:31.10 | kolla | smc |
| 17:31.16 | mickeyl | no, your pda |
| 17:31.20 | kolla | 5500 |
| 17:31.33 | mickeyl | kolla: try upgrading hostap modules |
| 17:31.46 | kolla | indeed |
| 17:31.52 | mickeyl | indeed ? |
| 17:31.55 | mickeyl | you already did? |
| 17:31.59 | kolla | ever since hostap came along, the wlan has been crap |
| 17:32.08 | kolla | the old prism2 stuff worked just fine |
| 17:32.18 | mickeyl | kolla: head over to vanille.de/feed/openzaurus/ |
| 17:32.18 | Disconnect | any plans to make zImages that support different splits for /home and / ..? (ala the way the ram/ramdisk splits are done on 5x00) |
| 17:32.29 | mickeyl | no plans atm |
| 17:32.34 | mickeyl | i don't see the use for it |
| 17:33.25 | Disconnect | since its not all put in / its just like partitioning. right now if I want to put a 60M file (media file most likely..) on flash, I can't.. not that there isn't room.. but its split strangely.. |
| 17:33.29 | kolla | OZ should support boot from SD :) |
| 17:33.42 | Disconnect | (53/68 it looks like) |
| 17:33.45 | mickeyl | OZ should do a lot of things which it can't... help us and do it :D |
| 17:33.52 | kolla | mine boots from SD |
| 17:33.57 | kolla | sort of |
| 17:34.02 | Disconnect | kolla: submit the linuxrc :) |
| 17:34.25 | Disconnect | it'll save me trying to find sources to the old picogui boot-menu I did for the ipaq (allowed multi-boot off pcmcia hdd) |
| 17:34.39 | kolla | the what? I just use pivot root right after banner |
| 17:34.48 | Disconnect | ah. so its not configurable.. |
| 17:34.56 | Disconnect | er, runtime-pickable I mean |
| 17:34.58 | kolla | ? |
| 17:35.23 | kolla | sure.. if I have a SD in it, and that has a .bootme on it.. it will boot from SD, if not, it will boot from internal flash |
| 17:35.50 | Disconnect | nod |
| 17:35.52 | kolla | not there's so much to pick from, heh |
| 17:36.12 | kolla | a menu is overkill |
| 17:36.36 | mickeyl | a menu should be it |
| 17:36.41 | mickeyl | also to choose the gui environment |
| 17:36.47 | mickeyl | or to choose the default runlevel |
| 17:36.50 | kolla | why... do you partition up your SD? :) |
| 17:37.01 | Disconnect | right. plus you can have 2-4G cf cards, and what, 1G sd? so partitions are an option. |
| 17:37.22 | Disconnect | 'boot sharp-rom from flash' 'boot oz 3.2 from hda1' 'boot oz 3.3.5 from hda2' 'boot homebuilt-oe from hda3'... |
| 17:37.42 | kolla | how about getting sound working first? |
| 17:38.32 | kolla | does the bootup use a initrd at all btw? |
| 17:38.41 | kolla | doesnt appear to be |
| 17:39.22 | mickeyl | no initrd |
| 17:39.29 | mickeyl | bootloader doesn't support that afaik |
| 17:40.17 | kolla | perhaps bootloader should be fixed :) |
| 17:40.37 | kolla | it's the bootloader that should support menues |
| 17:41.25 | Disconnect | bootldr is rom |
| 17:41.44 | mickeyl | no |
| 17:41.53 | mickeyl | bootldr is flashrom |
| 17:41.58 | mickeyl | can be substituted with a better one |
| 17:42.16 | Disconnect | hrm. it might be possible to boot (eg) LAB and put all that in there.. |
| 17:42.22 | Disconnect | mickeyl: do we have all the info needed for the port? |
| 17:42.30 | mickeyl | Disconnect: i think so, yes. |
| 17:42.35 | mickeyl | we just don't have an expert to do it |
| 17:42.38 | mickeyl | and no time |
| 17:42.39 | mickeyl | that's all |
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| 17:43.28 | mickeyl | hmm... why is it that everyone says that? |
| 17:44.03 | Disconnect | cuz I don't have jtag ports on my 760. and - for that matter - even if I did I don't have anything to plug into them ;) |
| 17:45.50 | kolla | so.. anyone have sound working? |
| 17:46.37 | kolla | btw.. noticed that someone got a tad smarter when it comes to loading files into mediaplyer2 |
| 17:46.47 | kolla | seperating url and file |
| 17:46.57 | kolla | yet, still no multiselect.. :P |
| 17:47.08 | kolla | dont grasp why it isnt obvious |
| 17:50.05 | pole|gone | anyone try opie-mediaplayer2 on 3.3.5 on a sl-5500? |
| 17:50.12 | kolla | yes, me |
| 17:50.13 | pole | i cant get it to play any sound |
| 17:50.14 | kolla | no sound |
| 17:50.17 | kolla | me neither |
| 17:50.18 | pole | hehe |
| 17:50.23 | kolla | useless |
| 17:50.23 | pole | so it isnt just me! |
| 17:50.26 | pole | fhew~ |
| 17:50.30 | pole | video plays though |
| 17:50.35 | kolla | but no sound |
| 17:50.43 | pole | exactly!!! |
| 17:50.46 | kolla | lame |
| 17:50.46 | pole | lets bug report it |
| 17:51.04 | kolla | I'm still baffled that even basic stuff isnt tested before "release" |
| 17:51.29 | kolla | I hoped it was just me |
| 17:51.46 | Twiun | kolla: not enough developers, you get a release from overworked people, or nothing at all |
| 17:51.59 | Twiun | kolla: or wait for another 6 months |
| 17:52.21 | kolla | think I'll just move over to sharp rom |
| 17:52.33 | kolla | or debian |
| 17:52.57 | Twiun | feel free to, we don't want to lock you into oz |
| 17:53.11 | kolla | :) |
| 17:54.17 | pole | can someone post on the mailing list or somewhere that sound in OMP2 doesnt work with 3.3.5 on a sl-5500? |
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| 17:55.01 | Elrond42 | hum |
| 17:55.19 | kolla | well, does sound at all work on sl-5500 and 3.3.5? |
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| 17:55.28 | Elrond42 | when I click on the "quit" button of opie-login, opie drops to console without restoring a proper keympa and the keyboard is then unusable -- is it a known problem ? |
| 17:55.29 | pole | yes it does, it's just OMP2 that isnt working |
| 17:55.33 | kolla | oh |
| 17:55.36 | kolla | then there is hope |
| 17:55.47 | kolla | so if I install xmms... fine? |
| 17:55.48 | pole | sound works for me with znester and prboom and zgnuboy |
| 17:55.48 | Elrond42 | kolla: my xmms-e works fine (with external audio at least) |
| 17:56.01 | kolla | ah, nice |
| 17:56.03 | pole | well, i tried to get xmms-e running, but i couldnt get it to run |
| 17:56.07 | kolla | then it isnt all wasted anyways |
| 17:56.13 | kolla | never liked opie mediaplayer anyways |
| 17:56.17 | pole | Elrond42: sl-5500? |
| 17:56.23 | Elrond42 | pole: yes |
| 17:56.27 | Elrond42 | that's what I have |
| 17:56.35 | kolla | where are the xmms ipkgs these days? |
| 17:56.37 | pole | where did you get your xmms-e from? |
| 17:56.44 | Elrond42 | the xmms-e web site |
| 17:56.49 | kolla | sf.net? |
| 17:56.58 | pole | the 2002-06 ones? |
| 17:57.01 | kolla | so same old binaries as for oz3.2 |
| 17:57.06 | Elrond42 | yes |
| 17:57.14 | Elrond42 | 0.00007 |
| 17:57.18 | kolla | didnt xmms vanish into OZ at some point? |
| 17:57.24 | Elrond42 | used the library dependencies from oz 3.3.5 though |
| 17:57.33 | pole | i did that too, and it wont launch |
| 17:57.36 | pole | oh well... |
| 17:57.44 | Elrond42 | pole: check that you are using /root/.xmms from the package |
| 17:57.54 | Elrond42 | if you chnge your /root/.xmms then xmms won't run |
| 17:58.04 | pole | i didnt change anything... |
| 17:58.22 | mickeyl | http://xmms-embedded.sourceforge.net/feed/oz32/xmms-e_0.00007-1_armv4l-strongarm.ipk |
| 17:58.24 | Elrond42 | perhaps you forgot to ipkg-link it to root |
| 17:58.26 | mickeyl | that one works with oz 3.3.5 |
| 17:58.30 | Elrond42 | mickeyl: yes :) |
| 17:58.36 | pole | oh well... i'm not going to listen to music anyway, not enough space |
| 17:58.44 | mickeyl | op2 is not maintained currently |
| 17:58.50 | mickeyl | it will be looked after xine 1.0 is released |
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| 17:59.26 | Pendalar | sears had a 512mb SD card on sell for $100 til yesterday |
| 17:59.30 | Elrond42 | now, anyone got an idea of what happens with my keyboard when opie-login quits ? |
| 17:59.31 | pole | it doesnt look like xmms-e is maintained either |
| 17:59.45 | pole | dang, missed out on that one |
| 17:59.50 | Pendalar | ~50% off iirc |
| 17:59.55 | Disconnect | Pendalar: got one :) |
| 17:59.55 | kolla | Pendalar: yes, it gets screwed up |
| 17:59.58 | Pendalar | yeah me too, being poor and all.. |
| 18:00.01 | pole | shit, why didnt you guys tell me!!!! |
| 18:00.07 | kolla | solution, get rid of opie-login |
| 18:00.10 | Pendalar | kolla: I thought that was one of the 'safe' SanDisk cards? |
| 18:00.23 | kolla | ? |
| 18:00.34 | Elrond42 | well oz 3.3.5 comes installed with opie-login, so I could expect it to work |
| 18:00.40 | kolla | Elrond42: no |
| 18:00.41 | Pendalar | oh your autocomplete.. guess you meant the comment to go to pole not me |
| 18:00.49 | kolla | with OZ.. dont expect anything to work :) |
| 18:01.12 | Pendalar | I've had no trouble with OZ other than with unstable builds which I try to test for fun |
| 18:01.36 | Elrond42 | I never was disappointed with OZ until now |
| 18:01.38 | Disconnect | btw the 8-million-year suspend seems to have been fixed between rc1 and release |
| 18:01.41 | Elrond42 | perhaps I'm not using the buggy stuff |
| 18:01.50 | pole | the only problem i have with 3.3.5 is the battery status thing always is at 100% and the sound in OPM2 |
| 18:02.09 | Pendalar | if you are talking about 3.3.5 problems, there's a nice readme that warns against use |
| 18:02.19 | pole | right |
| 18:02.21 | Pendalar | and notice it's not considered the stable version on the website |
| 18:02.27 | Pendalar | so don't complain |
| 18:02.37 | pole | anyone else on a sl-5500 have the battery status always at 100%? |
| 18:02.38 | Elrond42 | I'm not complaining about OZ but about opie-login, mind you :) |
| 18:02.51 | Elrond42 | pole: yes battery status reporting is broken on oz 3.3.5 |
| 18:02.53 | Elrond42 | this is documented |
| 18:03.03 | pole | umkay... i didnt see it in the readme, just asking.... |
| 18:03.17 | W8TVI | pole: RTFM! |
| 18:03.19 | W8TVI | :P |
| 18:03.28 | Elrond42 | pole: it is mentioned in README.FIRST tho |
| 18:03.32 | Pendalar | I was trying to say it a nicer way.. |
| 18:03.37 | pole | well, i'll check it and see if it is in there or not |
| 18:03.41 | pole | i read the readmes!!! |
| 18:03.42 | W8TVI | Pendalar: why bother? |
| 18:04.04 | pole | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:04.09 | pole | that doesnt mean it is always at 100% |
| 18:04.26 | Pendalar | dunno why the hell I am, I'm trying to upgrade to kergoth v1.0 |
| 18:04.28 | Pendalar | =-) |
| 18:04.36 | Pendalar | get some respect *thumps chest* |
| 18:04.57 | kolla | pole: oh.. I thought that was my battery being nice with me |
| 18:04.58 | pole | so, is that what you mean by it being said in the README.FIRST? |
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| 18:05.13 | Pendalar | nah I try not to say rtfm, read the man pages, etc etc because I often ask stupid questions too |
| 18:05.25 | pole | ;,,; |
| 18:05.25 | Pendalar | even have using the unit for over a year and help run a linux channel myself |
| 18:05.26 | kolla | the xmms site wont answer... damn sourceforge |
| 18:05.37 | pole | whatever... |
| 18:05.46 | kolla | there |
| 18:05.47 | Pendalar | so I hope when I ask a question I will get some consideration |
| 18:06.47 | chouimat | re |
| 18:06.51 | Pendalar | probably not but here's to hoping ;-) |
| 18:06.57 | Elrond42 | well "less precise" can mean "always 100%" depending on the understanding |
| 18:07.48 | Pendalar | I'd like an perpetual battery =-e |
| 18:07.57 | Pendalar | guess I could get a solar addon |
| 18:08.12 | mickeyl | "less precise" meant as dumb as in the SharpROM |
| 18:08.20 | mickeyl | not better not worse |
| 18:08.24 | mickeyl | but worse than in oz 3.2 |
| 18:08.40 | Pendalar | as long as it's not worse heh.. |
| 18:08.46 | Pendalar | god forbid that even be possible |
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| 18:08.50 | kergoth | i still cant believe they went with 4 levels instead of having a +-5% or so |
| 18:08.53 | kergoth | idiocy |
| 18:09.08 | mickeyl | same with the brightness |
| 18:09.13 | Disconnect | hardware is 4 levels? annoying.. |
| 18:09.20 | kergoth | Disconnect: no, driver is 4 levels |
| 18:09.24 | Pendalar | was/is spencer's IRC nick spencer or something else? |
| 18:09.32 | kergoth | Pendalar: Sniper |
| 18:09.35 | kergoth | iirc |
| 18:09.50 | W8TVI | ibot seen Sniper |
| 18:09.53 | | sniper <~sniper@pool-138-89-110-136.mad.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 90d 15h 38m ago, saying: 'gnite all'. |
| 18:10.04 | Pendalar | finally got around to reading some of the info about his disappearance |
| 18:10.14 | Disconnect | hrm. it looks a lot like the 760 has very fine stepping on hardware (at least in /proc/driver/fl/) |
| 18:10.20 | Disconnect | er on backlight I mean |
| 18:10.28 | Pendalar | oh well I plan to buy everything from sharp japan here on out =-e |
| 18:10.33 | kergoth | Pendalar: heh, same here |
| 18:10.56 | Pendalar | I think they knew that's where it was heading anyways |
| 18:11.16 | Pendalar | like the local office depot here carries no sharp models now and doesn't plan to carry any future ones |
| 18:11.26 | Pendalar | 5600 or otherwise |
| 18:11.48 | Pendalar | so really with stores doing that, Sharp USA being an ass, why not turn japanese? (yes I really think so) |
| 18:12.51 | mickeyl | Disconnect: the 5500 has that also, the driver just doesn't export. the driver in 2.4.21-cl does though :D |
| 18:12.57 | Disconnect | ah ok |
| 18:13.34 | Pendalar | does either one of the CF->barcode scanner (without cables) brands work? |
| 18:13.54 | Pendalar | socket makes a class 1 and class 2, and some other company.. SDG or something makes a class 1 and class 2 |
| 18:14.05 | Disconnect | looks like 0x0111 is the cap. I should go figure out how odevice works and submit a patch.. |
| 18:14.13 | ||ugh | FYI while I love OZ, 3.3.5 is pretty shakey, crashes, networking problems etc. Ug. Not up to PIM standards or needs yet. |
| 18:14.37 | Disconnect | ||ugh: you submit bug reports yet? |
| 18:14.48 | omin0us | what? my 3.3.5 install has been stable as a rock |
| 18:14.54 | Elrond42 | mine too |
| 18:15.02 | Pendalar | SDG says it works with sl5500 only although they have "reduced featured GPL drivers availible" |
| 18:15.13 | Pendalar | kolla: from? |
| 18:15.15 | omin0us | wifi works great, USB networking works great, haven't tried dial up yet |
| 18:15.24 | omin0us | got apache working on 3.3.5 last night as well |
| 18:15.33 | omin0us | just can't get mySQL to install |
| 18:15.39 | Pendalar | I think anyone who complains about an unstable release ought to be shot |
| 18:15.55 | kolla | Pendalar: mum and dad... |
| 18:16.01 | mickeyl | that's like complaining about linux 2.5.3 |
| 18:16.09 | Pendalar | unless they are submitting code to fix issues |
| 18:16.12 | Elrond42 | hum |
| 18:16.16 | Pendalar | kolla: I meant the brand silly |
| 18:16.23 | Elrond42 | installing apache and mySQL is not what average PDA do on a daily basis |
| 18:16.28 | Pendalar | don't care who paid for it *grin* |
| 18:16.28 | Disconnect | I haven't tried usbnet yet (gotta rebuild the module here with the product/vendor info) |
| 18:16.37 | Disconnect | but everything else has been rock solid |
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| 18:17.00 | Disconnect | Pendalar: code is good. descriptive bug reports are almost as good and more likely to broaden the tester base to the point of being useful. |
| 18:17.27 | Pendalar | yes but coming in and saying 'this unstable version is fritzy..' |
| 18:17.38 | Pendalar | makes me want to shoot people |
| 18:17.50 | Pendalar | it's free and marked unstable and/or testing... let it go |
| 18:19.33 | Pendalar | - the spinach and we'll call it a deal |
| 18:19.48 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 18:19.50 | mickeyl | makes me hungry |
| 18:20.01 | Pendalar | heh |
| 18:20.09 | Pendalar | I've been munching on dry cereal all morning |
| 18:20.16 | Pendalar | all the good life |
| 18:20.20 | Pendalar | ahh rather |
| 18:21.54 | Pendalar | kergoth do you care to see the information on the SDG driver? |
| 18:22.18 | Pendalar | kinda amusing for a second or two |
| 18:22.44 | Pendalar | Hi Jason, |
| 18:22.45 | Pendalar | Some of the parameter setting (including subtle symbology changes) is |
| 18:22.45 | Pendalar | not available in the GPL driver, as well as amber light control and |
| 18:22.45 | Pendalar | sound control. We can, however, license source for internal use at no |
| 18:22.45 | Pendalar | charge. (We OEM our barcode scanners from Socket. The way we make our |
| 18:22.45 | Pendalar | living is by selling the hardware, so we aren't ready to go completely |
| 18:22.47 | Pendalar | GPL yet.) Please let us know about your opportunity and how we can help. |
| 18:22.49 | Pendalar | Thanks. |
| 18:23.37 | Pendalar | I thought the hardware specs looked identical from socket to sdg |
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| 18:27.53 | mesuhga | what do i do when aopkg wnats input? |
| 18:27.55 | mesuhga | 'would you like to soft-reset the pda now? Y/N' |
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| 18:46.20 | omin0us | do i need to be really good at programming in order to help migrate packages to OE? |
| 18:47.05 | omin0us | hey mickey |
| 18:47.14 | mickeyl | not at all. a little bash and Makefile helps though |
| 18:47.40 | omin0us | ok, well. scripting should be easy enough to learn, don't know anything about Makefile though |
| 18:47.50 | omin0us | but i'm sure i can read up on that. |
| 18:48.33 | omin0us | i'll download the stuff tonight when i get off of work, and read all the docs in it. and see if i can't help migrating packages |
| 18:50.07 | mickeyl | great. attempting to start is the hardest part ;) |
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| 18:59.05 | Pendalar | heh nice |
| 18:59.10 | Pendalar | We would be willing to license to them, or, if you want to send us a |
| 18:59.11 | Pendalar | C7x0 for 30 days, we are willing to ensure that the barcode is supported |
| 18:59.11 | Pendalar | on that device. We will also ensure that the FB VNC server works well |
| 18:59.11 | Pendalar | with it, too. Thanks. |
| 18:59.37 | Pendalar | so if I loan out a shiny new C860 to these people they will ensure their hardware works on it =-/ |
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| 19:16.39 | mesuhga | c7x0? |
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| 19:24.02 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.51 | tormen1 | hey make a snowball for me man |
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| 19:35.42 | Pendalar | no planning on purchasing one in the next 2 weeks |
| 19:36.08 | Pendalar | trying to figure out if I should buy from like pocketpenguin, or hightech-co.jp |
| 19:36.19 | Pendalar | or let my cousin who is in Japan around that time bring one in |
| 19:36.28 | Pendalar | still I have to tell him where is cheapest |
| 19:42.31 | mesuhga | what package is wget in? |
| 19:42.34 | mesuhga | mine is missing somewhere |
| 19:42.37 | mesuhga | somehow |
| 19:42.49 | mesuhga | and the link on killefiz.de is dead |
| 19:42.52 | kergoth | ln -sf /bin/busybox /usr/bin/wget |
| 19:42.54 | kergoth | ta da |
| 19:42.55 | kergoth | :P |
| 19:43.38 | mesuhga | damn, thats what happened to all my links |
| 19:43.45 | mesuhga | cuz i symlink /usr to /mnt/card |
| 19:43.49 | mesuhga | and suddenly, a buncha shit died |
| 19:44.03 | mesuhga | i see the problem now! thanks kergoth |
| 19:44.17 | kergoth | hehe, no problem |
| 19:45.35 | mesuhga | nothing like resymlinked 30 apps by hand to make you feel like a man |
| 19:46.18 | fifth | lol tedious job |
| 19:49.01 | escobarf | now i flashed my Z with OZ 3.3.5 |
| 19:50.01 | escobarf | the problem it's 'ipkg-link mount/mnt/card' can't work and i can't use my app. |
| 19:52.06 | escobarf | can you help me? |
| 19:52.26 | escobarf | or i need to reinstall all my app? |
| 19:53.15 | mesuhga | try ipkg-link mount /mnt/card |
| 19:54.46 | escobarf | thanks, it's a stupid question of space-bar |
| 19:55.09 | Pendalar | I assumed you just pasted it wrong |
| 19:55.34 | Pendalar | noticed the lack of space but assumed that wasn't really what you were trying |
| 19:55.50 | mesuhga | if that was pasted wrong, the rest of the spaces woulda gone wrong, too :) |
| 19:56.18 | escobarf | no, i've one paper copy of lardman solution at zaurusgroup forum |
| 19:56.46 | escobarf | but now mesuhga writes right, thanks |
| 19:57.43 | escobarf | and my Z charges all the apps |
| 19:57.47 | mesuhga | lardman solution? |
| 19:57.48 | mesuhga | huh |
| 19:58.41 | escobarf | that's sound good for a hollywood movie:the lardman solution :-) |
| 20:02.14 | Pendalar | k in the xmame.sdl entry on ZSI |
| 20:02.18 | Pendalar | wtf is up with that picture? |
| 20:05.31 | mesuhga | hahah |
| 20:05.40 | mesuhga | those crazy jpas |
| 20:05.41 | mesuhga | japs |
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| 20:19.26 | Disconnect | hrm. why doesn't updater.sh do the flash-erase itself? |
| 20:19.33 | Disconnect | (instead of rebooting) |
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| 20:22.49 | escobarf | wow, the OZ 3.3.5 is superb! |
| 20:23.42 | escobarf | now i can play at xmms my chava alberstein mp3 |
| 20:24.36 | Disconnect | is it me or do half the people come in screaming about how everyone involved with OZ 3.3.5 should have their children set aflame to begin to make repentence for its relase..? and the other half about how they want to -have- said children because its so great..? |
| 20:24.48 | Disconnect | s/relase/release/ |
| 20:25.12 | W8TVI | they think its a "stable" release |
| 20:25.18 | escobarf | tomorrow i can try the sharp camera |
| 20:26.10 | Twiun | W8TVI: yeah, they never bother reading /testing/ or /unstable/ |
| 20:26.24 | escobarf | i've some problems with oz 3.3.4 camera program |
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| 20:28.35 | escobarf | but 3.3.5 are tremendous... speed and more stable then 3.3.4 |
| 20:29.41 | W8TVI | escobarf: more stable? |
| 20:29.44 | W8TVI | how? |
| 20:32.28 | meyerm | Hi. I'm currently using OZ3.2 with opie 1.0 and it takes soooo long when I switch my Zaurus on - it is searching for documents. Now I was told this is a problem of OZ3.2. Is this better in 3.3.5? |
| 20:33.03 | W8TVI | hmmm |
| 20:33.09 | escobarf | well, that's only my first impression. i think tomorrow i can tell you with more experience about it. |
| 20:33.21 | W8TVI | why isn't the oz website comming up? |
| 20:33.27 | zakk | I ate it. |
| 20:33.40 | zakk | sorry :( |
| 20:33.42 | W8TVI | ah.. its comming up, but slowly |
| 20:33.50 | escobarf | i can repeat that night: more stable and too much quick reponse (aka speeeeeed) |
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| 20:45.11 | Disconnect | W8TVI: poke kergoth to req hostspace and bw from handhelds.. 12mbit straight to the backbone. actual on-call techs and admins. uptime.. actual, honest-to-god uptime.. |
| 20:47.37 | W8TVI | heh |
| 20:48.45 | mesuhga | anyone have a mirror oz 3.3.5 ipkgs? |
| 20:48.53 | mesuhga | zaurus is hating on oz.org |
| 20:49.13 | mesuhga | meyerm : your right. you can finally disable doctab in 3.3.5 |
| 20:51.17 | Disconnect | so until I get my z back together I can't do anything (flashed oz again, then did flash-erase, then booted and it was hanging..) |
| 20:51.24 | Disconnect | well .. not booting. not even hanging.. |
| 20:52.28 | Disconnect | er on sd in fact. took them off the cf. damn. so yah, gonna have to wait.. |
| 20:53.21 | mesuhga | yea i had that problem |
| 20:53.26 | mesuhga | i flashed with ospack |
| 20:53.32 | mesuhga | it errored the fuck out of my setup |
| 20:53.48 | mesuhga | (couldnt even find /mnt/ram parition) so i reflashed with oz |
| 20:53.51 | mesuhga | and it works great again. |
| 20:57.36 | mesuhga | i mirror'd 3.2 |
| 20:57.40 | mesuhga | but havent got around to doing 3.5 |
| 20:57.55 | Disconnect | wow if you just hit next/next/finish it gets some sort of halfway-german translation thing going. "The system clock is invalid.. [ja] [nein]" |
| 20:58.35 | W8TVI | lol |
| 20:58.38 | meyerm | mesuhga: Great! Then I will start downloading OZ3.3.5 this night! :-) |
| 20:59.19 | W8TVI | do it on everything |
| 20:59.34 | W8TVI | and slowly change it over to all german |
| 20:59.38 | W8TVI | learn german |
| 20:59.40 | W8TVI | :) |
| 21:01.02 | Disconnect | oh god damnit. backup doesn't back up the -system-. it just backs up settings. missing installed packages, etc etc. what a royal pita. |
| 21:01.28 | W8TVI | Disconnect: you ass-u-med |
| 21:01.31 | Disconnect | (there's a great reason for a ro root right there - it means you can just back up everything off /home, ala sharp..) |
| 21:01.38 | mesuhga | use rsync |
| 21:01.41 | mesuhga | thats what i do |
| 21:02.00 | Disconnect | W8TVI: when I say "backup" on my ppc ipaq, it dumps the whole thing. when I say 'backup' on sharp rom, it dumps the whole thing. when i say 'backup' to amanda on a server here, it dumps the whole thing.... |
| 21:02.08 | Disconnect | thats the -definition- of backup.. |
| 21:03.20 | Disconnect | hahahahaha! it didn't even get the settings! thats really entertaining.. (or it would be if I hadn't spent 2 hours rekeying all my contacts before taking that backup..) |
| 21:03.39 | W8TVI | Disconnect: /me does a manual backup |
| 21:03.53 | W8TVI | d'oh! |
| 21:04.12 | W8TVI | 8 years IRCing |
| 21:04.29 | mesuhga | i'm approaching 10 |
| 21:04.35 | mesuhga | efnet4life |
| 21:04.46 | meshuga | wow, and i butchered my nick and just noticed noew |
| 21:05.01 | W8TVI | lol |
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| 21:07.40 | plop0 | hi |
| 21:10.51 | Disconnect | and it doesn't even save ssh hostkeys.. which means all sorts of things are going to go strange when you do a backup/restore .. "all I did was restore it and now sync over ssh won't work anymore, and standard sync says wrong version, and my unfiled documents are all missing and ....." |
| 21:11.04 | meshuga | well they cant save ssh keys |
| 21:11.10 | meshuga | it'd have to save the whole ssh client |
| 21:11.44 | plop0 | rrrrr |
| 21:12.07 | plop0 | is there any release of openzaurus for a sharp sl-c760 ? |
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| 21:19.08 | kergoth | Disconnect: backing up /etc could cause a *lot* of problems. should add specific items from it in the backup app. |
| 21:19.12 | meshuga | plop0 : http://www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable in case that wasnt obvious |
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| 21:21.37 | Disconnect | kergoth: maybe the real fix is (at least for now) to modify the packages to save that sort of thing in /root .. |
| 21:21.56 | kergoth | well, its global, not bound to user.. |
| 21:22.05 | Disconnect | then bump the backup app up one level (which will catch that sync version file and things like .profile) |
| 21:22.13 | kergoth | maybe we need a seperate confdir for stuff that should be backed up |
| 21:22.20 | Disconnect | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.35 | kergoth | i see no reason to keep around /root |
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| 21:22.38 | jig | hi! |
| 21:22.39 | kergoth | we'll be running opie as a user anyway |
| 21:22.45 | kergoth | just set root's homedir to /home/root directly |
| 21:23.04 | Disconnect | kergoth: true. |
| 21:23.18 | kergoth | although, some ipks are fucking stupid, and try to install files into a homedir directly |
| 21:23.22 | kergoth | but shit, they deserve what they get |
| 21:23.53 | kergoth | hm, we should stick to a real mtab instead of a link to /proc/mounts |
| 21:24.00 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.03 | Disconnect | kergoth: um. its supposed to be a pda. which means the environment should support apps, even if 3rd party apps are dumb ;) |
| 21:24.11 | Disconnect | er support the user, I mean |
| 21:24.20 | kergoth | Disconnect: well, recent sharp roms dont use /root either, they use the zaursu users |
| 21:24.23 | kergoth | s/users/user/ |
| 21:24.34 | kergoth | so i dunno if we need to |
| 21:25.08 | jig | can I use h3600 image to install on my h3835?will it work ok? |
| 21:25.33 | kergoth | Disconnect: the thing is, if they'd done it right it wouldve worked everywhere. i dont mind third parties not *supporting* OZ, but being unwilling to do things the *RIGHT WAY* just pisses me off |
| 21:25.38 | kergoth | grr |
| 21:25.41 | kergoth | tkc is a perfect example of this |
| 21:26.44 | Disconnect | kergoth: not backing up network settings is just dumb, regardless of how they get there. if I had to edit /etc/pcmcia/ files to get it set up, thats all well and good but I'd still expect it to be backed up. |
| 21:26.56 | Disconnect | (hrm. jffs2 needs some COW setup ;) ..) |
| 21:27.15 | kergoth | you never have to touch /etc/pcmcia/*.conf ever anymore |
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| 21:27.24 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.31 | Disconnect | hey.. wow.. here's a thought. bind-mount can be used to 'overlay' mtd3 on mtd1, right? while still allowing a "pure" mtd3 mount elsewhere? why not just do that.. changed/new files land on mtd3, which gets backed up.. |
| 21:28.00 | kergoth | Disconnect: thats how i implemented a read only rootfs a second ago |
| 21:28.00 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:28.08 | Disconnect | kergoth: wifi isn't everything, but for that one example that works.. |
| 21:28.14 | kergoth | echo 'rwdirs="/etc /home /lib/modules"' > /etc/default/rwdirs |
| 21:28.15 | kergoth | reboot; |
| 21:28.32 | kergoth | it initially populates the rw versions with symlinks back into /mnt/oldroot/ |
| 21:28.39 | Disconnect | so great. time for 3.3.6 with the working toolchains, etc and maybe ro rootfs ;) |
| 21:28.41 | kergoth | similar to sharp's methodology, but more clean |
| 21:28.44 | Disconnect | yah |
| 21:29.05 | kergoth | bind mount olddir to /mnt/oldroot/blah, bind mount ramfs version into place, populate links |
| 21:29.19 | kergoth | s/ramfs/whatever filesystem is to be the rw/ |
| 21:29.20 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:29.22 | Disconnect | sharp's worked, mostly. it was just ugly. like looking at a sco box, with everything symlinked intto strange places |
| 21:29.26 | kergoth | yeah |
| 21:29.36 | kergoth | bin.rom, bin? i mean what a mess |
| 21:29.44 | jwal | I would like to boot my SL5500 directly from CF card (maybe MMC/OD in the future). Can the 'BIOS' of the Z boot from these removable media and if not is there a boot loader / second stage for the boot loader I could install that can? |
| 21:30.09 | kergoth | jwal: you cant dual boot with sharp's bootloader. you can pivot_root onto a rootfs on another media, but thats rootfs only, not kernel |
| 21:30.12 | Disconnect | would have been better to use "home" as root and have /romfs/ or some such.. |
| 21:30.30 | kergoth | Disconnect: i'm using /mnt/oldroot and /mnt/ramfs for the areas atm |
| 21:30.35 | kergoth | but its configurable via /etc/default/rwdirs |
| 21:31.04 | kergoth | only certain areas are writable.. if you need a full writable /, you'd need to link everything back.. would take a while to populate initially |
| 21:31.39 | Disconnect | I love the idea of read-only rootfs, since that lets you do minor system upgrades w/o touching "userspace". |
| 21:31.59 | kergoth | could have a file in /etc that you put a list of files to update in ro at reboot time |
| 21:32.24 | kergoth | so those files would get pushed back up into the ro flash only when you want them there |
| 21:32.28 | Disconnect | oooh.. thats also nice :) |
| 21:32.29 | kergoth | nice and explicit |
| 21:32.51 | Disconnect | yep. |
| 21:32.58 | kergoth | i've seen that one done before, not much to it |
| 21:33.40 | kergoth | i want to get all these possible structures into OE in some way, so that at build time i can define that policy |
| 21:33.48 | kergoth | e.g. for a 4mb image for blahdevice |
| 21:34.54 | kergoth | would also be good to optionally, for small dirs, copy all the files into the rw area instead of linking back |
| 21:35.01 | kergoth | that way you an *modify* inittab without breaking the link first |
| 21:35.27 | Disconnect | yah. maybe "total device flash size" "read-only root?" "read-write size" (or "extra buffer size" maybe, so I can say "leave 5 megs available on ro, make the rest rw") .. with bind mounting, the entire initial image can be on ro.. |
| 21:35.43 | kergoth | Disconnect: yup, exactly |
| 21:35.44 | Disconnect | twist that into the kernel cmdline as well.. |
| 21:36.07 | Disconnect | since the current split (53/68) is pissing me off ;) |
| 21:36.07 | meshuga | anyone have hancom they could dcc me? |
| 21:36.08 | kergoth | yeah, exert control over partitioning.. thatd be good |
| 21:36.42 | kergoth | would also help for x86.. picture building a debian install for your desktop, hard disk images that reflect your drive partitions |
| 21:36.46 | Disconnect | "I'll just copy this backup from cf to flash so I can scp it... damn." (I've got enough flash by about 20M .. but with that split its not accessible for one file..) |
| 21:36.46 | plop0 | is there any release for the sl-c760 zaurus ? |
| 21:36.57 | Disconnect | plop0: go read the topic. then follow the link. its exciting. |
| 21:37.06 | meshuga | jwal: i had random lockups occur with booting off of SD. 3 times i tried, i gave up |
| 21:37.51 | meshuga | jwal: now i have it symlinked to the SD. seems to work alot better |
| 21:37.53 | plop0 | Disconnect I'm already exciting :) |
| 21:37.57 | meshuga | Disconnect : yea, same stuff to me |
| 21:38.10 | meshuga | the problem with booting off the SD, is after it locks up, it wont come back. |
| 21:38.12 | ljp | which kernel? |
| 21:38.25 | kergoth | too bad sharp's sd drivers blow goats |
| 21:38.28 | meshuga | i'd pull the SD out. boot. pop it in. it'd lock up the Z again. |
| 21:38.31 | kergoth | need to switch to nico's or hh.o's |
| 21:38.50 | ljp | you sure that sharps work, and not embedix'? |
| 21:38.50 | meshuga | kergoth : yea makes OZ look bad |
| 21:38.51 | jig | can someone tell me if I can use h3600 image to install on my h3835?will it work ok? |
| 21:39.05 | meshuga | jig: doubt it |
| 21:39.11 | kergoth | ljp: dunno, i never know who to blame between those two |
| 21:39.14 | kergoth | as far as i'm concerned they both suck |
| 21:39.15 | meshuga | jig: check out handhelds.org for that compatibility |
| 21:39.16 | Disconnect | jig: 3600 image will likely not work at all on the 3800. |
| 21:39.29 | jwal | I am sure you are always having to tell people this but what is the deal with the SD (or where can I read about it)? |
| 21:39.33 | Disconnect | jig: 36/3700 are the same, 3100 is off on its own, 3800 might be similar to 3900.. |
| 21:39.38 | meshuga | damn did openzaurus.org die again? |
| 21:39.40 | Disconnect | jwal: "what is the deal"..?? |
| 21:39.43 | kergoth | meshuga: looks that way |
| 21:39.44 | kergoth | sf sucks |
| 21:39.49 | ljp | kergoth: think of tis.. on sharp rom sysinfo, it says qtopia 'compiled by Trolltech'.... NOT |
| 21:39.51 | jig | openzaurus is more eye-candy :-) |
| 21:39.53 | meshuga | jwal: its on openzaurus.org, under faqs. type in "SD' |
| 21:39.56 | ljp | s/tis/this |
| 21:40.00 | kergoth | ljp: hehe |
| 21:40.04 | kergoth | idiots |
| 21:40.05 | meshuga | jig: its may more then that. |
| 21:40.13 | kergoth | ljp: thats gross misrepresentation.. |
| 21:40.22 | ljp | yes it is |
| 21:40.43 | meshuga | ljp: its faq #192. |
| 21:40.51 | ljp | the thing is, TT supplied the code that way |
| 21:40.53 | meshuga | er |
| 21:40.59 | kergoth | ljp: ah |
| 21:41.01 | jig | and looks by far more complete |
| 21:41.05 | meshuga | jwal: its faq #192. be BE WARNED. IT HAS CRASHED ON OTHERS |
| 21:41.13 | meshuga | so dont come crying to us when your shit wont boot back |
| 21:41.30 | Disconnect | ugh thats slow.. |
| 21:41.41 | ljp | dang it! its NOT supposed to rain at Juleboard! |
| 21:41.43 | kergoth | Disconnect: asked jamey for an 'oe' hh.o project |
| 21:42.30 | kergoth | so should be able to ditch sf sometime soon |
| 21:42.50 | Disconnect | cool |
| 21:43.00 | meshuga | woohoo |
| 21:43.01 | ljp | past due for that |
| 21:43.19 | kergoth | that reminds me, the oe domains are up for renewal |
| 21:43.21 | kergoth | almost forgot |
| 21:43.41 | meshuga | how much you paying per one? |
| 21:43.59 | Disconnect | kergoth: gandi.net, $12 a year :) |
| 21:44.04 | Disconnect | and they'll host dns, etc |
| 21:44.15 | kergoth | how much for their dns service? |
| 21:44.22 | Disconnect | all included |
| 21:44.25 | kergoth | using ummm .. easydns atm i think |
| 21:44.29 | meshuga | i had problems with gandi back in the day |
| 21:44.32 | meshuga | i use enom.com |
| 21:44.35 | meshuga | and resell, but its $13/yr |
| 21:44.43 | Disconnect | any or none of dns, email forwarding (5 plus wildcard), etc |
| 21:44.43 | meshuga | kergoth : how many domains you need to reg? |
| 21:44.54 | meshuga | Disconnect : yea, enom does all that too |
| 21:45.02 | meshuga | plus tech support you can call and get results |
| 21:45.06 | meshuga | email forwarding is like 25 |
| 21:45.08 | kergoth | i dont need many |
| 21:45.09 | meshuga | ugh |
| 21:45.15 | kergoth | the openembedded and openzaurus domains |
| 21:45.18 | kergoth | a couple personal ones |
| 21:45.20 | meshuga | Disconnect : enom is instant |
| 21:45.22 | kergoth | few additional for other projects |
| 21:45.24 | meshuga | kergoth : i'll cover openzaurus for ya |
| 21:45.34 | meshuga | or whatever is about to expire |
| 21:45.40 | Disconnect | meshuga: so for $13 + $25 + (dns?) I can get what I get for $12.. sounds like a great deal. or something. ;) |
| 21:45.54 | meshuga | Disconnect : huh 25$? |
| 21:46.10 | meshuga | what |
| 21:46.10 | meshuga | Disconnect : no, 25 email forwards. |
| 21:46.10 | Disconnect | ah |
| 21:46.16 | meshuga | Disconnect : and enom does that too. it aint godaddy |
| 21:46.34 | meshuga | Disconnect : check 'em out. http://www.enom.com. they're damn good. http://dns.hadm.net is my frontend |
| 21:46.46 | meshuga | i need to whip up a php one, but i stopp doing web hosting |
| 21:46.49 | meshuga | so i havent felt the need |
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| 21:47.39 | meshuga | Disconnect : its 13/yr. flatrate. updates take like 5 minutes, typically. dynamic dnsing if needed. |
| 21:47.53 | meshuga | everything is instant. i've been super impressed |
| 21:48.07 | meshuga | got around 30 domains regged with it. nobody has ever had a single problem |
| 21:48.34 | meshuga | plus customers that randomly sign up, so another 10 or so |
| 21:48.50 | meshuga | gandi was one of the first ICANN registrars, and, sadly to say, kinda paid the price for that. |
| 21:51.50 | meshuga | and i'm cheaper, anyways, since 12 euro is $14.52US :) |
| 21:53.46 | plop0 | mmm how to add a orinoco_cs.o module ? |
| 21:53.52 | jwal | Disconnect: The deal with closed source drivers. |
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| 22:10.53 | bobbyd | hi |
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| 22:11.51 | bobbyd | what's the best way to get the new OZ distro for the c700, there aren't any downloads on the OZ site. shall I just get the latest buildroot and build it? or is there a binary somewhere? |
| 22:12.28 | mickey|tired | kergoth: please add 3.3.5 on the navigation bar |
| 22:12.59 | kergoth | mickey|tired: problem is, does our download page handle your directory structure? |
| 22:13.09 | mickey|tired | d'oh |
| 22:13.11 | mickey|tired | probably not |
| 22:13.25 | mickey|tired | well... pointing people to the # topic must be sufficient then :D |
| 22:14.15 | kergoth | noda added devices to downloads, but i dont remember what structure it expects |
| 22:14.23 | kergoth | thats why i havent "release"d it in the website yet |
| 22:14.35 | bobbyd | mickey|tired: do I get shot if I ask where those are? |
| 22:16.04 | mickey|tired | "those" ? |
| 22:16.11 | mickey|tired | the channel topic |
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| 22:16.18 | mickey|tired | most irc clients display it |
| 22:16.36 | mickey|tired | anyway, browse through oz.org/official/unstable/3.3.5 |
| 22:16.41 | kergoth | mickey|tired: you want to put a link to it on the news page? |
| 22:16.44 | meshuga | if not, '/topic #openzaurus' should paste it to the chan |
| 22:16.49 | kergoth | maybe mentioning it wont be on the normal downloads interface for a while yet |
| 22:16.57 | mickey|tired | k will do |
| 22:17.12 | kergoth | thanks |
| 22:17.17 | kergoth | god i have a lot to do |
| 22:17.23 | kergoth | and another deadline next wednesday |
| 22:17.27 | escobarf | mickeyl: many thanks, oz 3.3.5 it's wonderful |
| 22:17.32 | mickey|tired | :D |
| 22:18.06 | escobarf | i can't wait until xmas to try |
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| 22:26.34 | bobbyd | do you need mirrors of 3.3.5 ? |
| 22:28.12 | chuckr | using oebuild, it complained about not finding /usr/bin/wget (mine is in /sw/bin/wget), this should be searched for. Not bothering me, just thought I'd post about it. |
| 22:29.15 | kergoth | hm, it should be obeying your path |
| 22:29.41 | kergoth | ah yeha |
| 22:29.43 | kergoth | thats bad |
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| 22:31.36 | chuckr | it worked ok once I copied a binary. If you don't want to worry about it, don't, I will. |
| 22:31.50 | kergoth | ill take care of it |
| 22:31.54 | chuckr | thanks |
| 22:31.56 | kergoth | it just obeys FETCHCOMMAND from oe.conf |
| 22:32.01 | kergoth | you can override it to your own in local.conf of course |
| 22:32.17 | escobarf | bye |
| 22:32.21 | meshuga | bobbyd : how fast/what type of connect? |
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| 22:33.07 | chuckr | I see, I will do that. |
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| 22:43.23 | chuckr | hmmm ... what is "patcher", is it used on host or on zaurus (it's a perl script, but what use?) |
| 22:46.43 | chuckr | forget that, I found the answer |
| 22:47.00 | kergoth | its used at build time for patch applicationi :) |
| 22:47.02 | mickey|tired | patcher is the ultimate tool for managing patches |
| 22:47.03 | kergoth | handy tool |
| 22:47.06 | meshuga | root@openzaurus:~/Documents/ipkg# ipkg install -force-depends -force-overwrite hancommobileword_1.4.4_arm.ipk |
| 22:47.07 | meshuga | Package hancommobileword has no Architecture defined. |
| 22:47.11 | meshuga | any way around this? |
| 22:47.16 | meshuga | cuz sheet installed fine |
| 22:47.21 | meshuga | but word and present wont |
| 22:47.43 | chuckr | when oebuild builds something like that, I don't see a list in the wiki for "oebuild install" or somethingn like that to put that script into my Mac for use, did I miss something like that? |
| 22:48.15 | kergoth | oeinstall -r / patcher |
| 22:48.17 | kergoth | would probably work |
| 22:48.19 | jwal | kergoth: Has the mtdram driver created an entry in /dev and if so, where? (using devfs on my desktop) |
| 22:48.22 | chuckr | maybe I should look harder for oebuild documentation |
| 22:48.23 | kergoth | it uses OEFILES, similar to oemake |
| 22:50.09 | chuckr | can you give a ref on what site to search for oebuild info? google craps out on "zarus oebuild" and "zaurus oemake" |
| 22:50.26 | chuckr | maybe I just have to read the oebuild code? |
| 22:51.05 | kergoth | oeinstall and oeimage arent documented worth a shit |
| 22:51.09 | chuckr | I will learn python if I must, but I wish that only python or perl alone (my choice, python) would be used for scriupts, using 2 langs like that seems unwise |
| 22:51.10 | kergoth | but read the --help info on each tool |
| 22:51.22 | chuckr | ahh, ok |
| 22:51.44 | chuckr | I kinda wouldn't mind learning python just now, actually |
| 22:51.51 | kergoth | i love it :) |
| 22:51.54 | kergoth | its like perl, but readable |
| 22:52.14 | chuckr | with 2 reservations, I do too. |
| 22:52.36 | chuckr | I don't like using spacing alone for blockiing, but that's maybe me being too picky |
| 22:53.19 | chuckr | I don't like the idea of being able to change the def of classes on the fly, because maybe you have noticed I mistype a lot? |
| 22:53.29 | jwal | kergoth: You suggested yesterday that I dd initrd.bin to an mtdram device and then tried to mount that. |
| 22:54.06 | chuckr | it's so goddamn much better than perl, though,I will not complain too much about it. |
| 22:55.18 | chuckr | I don't think it's at all like perl. it's designed, it seems to be that perl just grew wildly |
| 22:55.37 | chuckr | maybe perl 6.0 will fix that |
| 22:56.07 | kergoth | i love having formatting lfexibility |
| 22:56.11 | kergoth | i dislike that python limits you there |
| 22:56.15 | kergoth | but i see why its that way |
| 22:56.44 | meshuga | kergoth : anyway to pass an architecture to ipkg, or hack in an arch to a .ipk? |
| 22:57.00 | mickey|tired | jwal: all you need to know is on http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/LoopBack |
| 22:57.02 | chuckr | true. My prob with perl is, it seems to me that every time they want to inntroduce a new feature, they don't give enough thought to how it will fit with the syntax, they just choose the very next open spot in the parse tree. |
| 22:57.11 | kergoth | chuckr: yeah, i agree |
| 22:57.53 | chuckr | when you have 59 kajillion folks hacking on it, you will have a more powerful tool and it's true, perl can't be beat for textual stuff |
| 22:58.08 | kergoth | oh yeah, i wou ldnt use anything but perl for text mangling & parsing |
| 22:58.16 | kergoth | writing a parser in python is a huge pain in the ass |
| 22:58.49 | chuckr | sometimes I wonder, it *might* be worth it to spend more time in python, but I probably couldn't defend that too far. |
| 22:59.32 | kergoth | chuckr: you know c/c++? i started rewriting the OE core in it |
| 22:59.34 | chuckr | if they would fix up their regex stuff, and better dict stuff, then maybe ... |
| 22:59.38 | kergoth | will probably leave the tools as python for now |
| 22:59.43 | chuckr | good |
| 22:59.45 | kergoth | just the backend will get replaced |
| 22:59.51 | kergoth | so itll be easier to write OE tools in other languages |
| 22:59.54 | chuckr | I would rather move that way than the other way |
| 23:00.03 | chuckr | (not that I count too much right now) |
| 23:00.06 | kergoth | i love python for prototyping |
| 23:00.10 | kergoth | but not always for production |
| 23:00.40 | chuckr | huh .... would actually think it might be the other way |
| 23:00.52 | chuckr | easeir to find bugs in python |
| 23:01.30 | chuckr | I really get upset with their argument passing in perl. |
| 23:01.31 | kergoth | i prefer python for prototyping since its fast to code. reduces development time |
| 23:01.39 | kergoth | but its not always appropriate for performance and/or portability reasons |
| 23:02.07 | chuckr | are you meaning, if you are going to stay with a scripting language at all? |
| 23:02.50 | chuckr | I won't/can't argue the point about staying with a scripting language |
| 23:03.21 | kergoth | yeah, thats what i meant |
| 23:03.33 | chuckr | probably, it would be easier to move from python to, say, C++, than perl to C++ |
| 23:03.50 | kergoth | yep |
| 23:03.55 | chuckr | I am thinking (lately) about Objective-C |
| 23:04.13 | kergoth | i know nothing about that.. any good? |
| 23:05.53 | chuckr | I think so. let me spout here a moment. It's 100% C compatible, it looks much like java (has interfaces) no templates, far, far small language than C++, it has the idea of a central object, so you can enforce thigns that java has, like stringification |
| 23:06.30 | kergoth | no templates.. is it as strict as c++ wrt type checking? |
| 23:06.33 | kergoth | brb |
| 23:07.07 | jwal | mickey|tired: Perfect, thanks |
| 23:07.58 | chuckr | I'm still learning about it, but yes, it's strongly typed, not like python, more like java/C++, but since it has a central object that all other objects MUST ultimately come from, it allows things that C++ can't. Has rtti, too. |
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| 23:08.55 | chuckr | since it has a central object, it can choose to treat objects as the base object to pass around. |
| 23:09.37 | chuckr | It's just a bit like C, with java hacked into it. Probably about 60% of the size of C++. |
| 23:10.34 | chuckr | like I said, 100% C compatible. nice thing is, it is probably on zaurus right now, because it's one of the three base gcc languages (C, C++, Objective C) |
| 23:10.44 | kergoth | sounds pretty cool |
| 23:11.18 | chuckr | docs are a littel light on the ground, but zMac has now based their whole gui on it, so I think that may improve |
| 23:11.24 | pole | hmm... anyone know if i can install an older version of apm or whatever it is that is causing the battery to be reported as 100% all the time? |
| 23:11.46 | kergoth | pole: 3.3.5 uses a different kernel |
| 23:11.52 | kergoth | sharp's stock 2.4.18 is crap, only 4 levels |
| 23:12.02 | pole | kergoth: so no proper apm support or something? |
| 23:12.03 | kergoth | 3.5.1 will use our 2.4.21 with mostly rewritten drivers |
| 23:12.05 | chuckr | OK, I gotta go code now, nice chatting |
| 23:12.12 | kergoth | no, just the battery driver only shows 4 states |
| 23:12.17 | kergoth | full, low, really low, and you're fucked |
| 23:12.23 | pole | heh |
| 23:12.32 | pole | cus right now, it just shuts off when it runs out of battery |
| 23:12.39 | pole | and i have no clue when that is |
| 23:12.45 | kergoth | hmm, odd |
| 23:12.52 | kergoth | you should be getting those 4 levels.. |
| 23:14.00 | pole | um.... as far as i remember it only shows me at 100% all the time |
| 23:14.06 | pole | no low warning or anything |
| 23:14.17 | kergoth | weird |
| 23:14.30 | kergoth | i'll fall back to saying "sharp sucks ass" here |
| 23:14.39 | kergoth | stupid shitty drivers |
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| 23:17.12 | meshuga | yea, my zaurus shows 100% battery all the time, too |
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| 23:24.46 | pole | awesome |
| 23:24.50 | pole | where can i report these "bugs"? |
| 23:25.01 | kergoth | nowhere atm |
| 23:25.04 | pole | i also wanted to report the OMP2 sound issue with sl5500 |
| 23:25.10 | kergoth | nobody pays attention to the sf bug tracking since its worthless |
| 23:25.22 | kergoth | we're switching to RT (request tracker) but it isnt configured yet |
| 23:25.24 | pole | heh |
| 23:25.33 | kergoth | maybe just drop them in a wiki errata page or something |
| 23:25.38 | kergoth | for the moment |
| 23:25.54 | pole | i think this battery problem also has alot todo with my CF ethernet card not working 80% of the time |
| 23:26.22 | gawel | kergoth: uhm, why not bugzilla? (rt is seems to be considerably slower then bz) |
| 23:26.24 | chuckr | shoot. My usb networking, when I bring it down, seems to want an act of congree to get recognized again |
| 23:26.31 | pole | cus it doesnt want to work without the right about of power |
| 23:26.39 | kergoth | bugzilla's user interface is absolute horrible |
| 23:26.50 | kergoth | s/ute/utely/ |
| 23:26.55 | chuckr | it's not the Mac usb networking driver, the usb driver itself does not recognize anything is there. |
| 23:27.08 | pole | i have a question about one SD card i have... it seems like the card is failing |
| 23:27.09 | kergoth | even kde's submission wizard isnt enough to make it usable |
| 23:27.23 | pole | all of a sudden /mnt/card/opt/QtPalmtop/* dissapeared |
| 23:27.29 | pole | and df says... |
| 23:27.32 | mickey|tired | i like the mantis interface. clean but functional |
| 23:27.36 | gawel | ker: at least bugzilla is not as bad as remedy/ddts/clearquest 8> |
| 23:27.42 | kergoth | hehe, there is that |
| 23:27.48 | pole | /dev/mmcda1 58.7M 46.4M 9.3M 83% /mnt/card |
| 23:27.51 | kergoth | mantis isnt bad, but its not powerful enough |
| 23:27.59 | kergoth | and it isnt exactly easy to use either |
| 23:28.02 | pole | # du -sh /mnt/card |
| 23:28.05 | pole | 27.5M /mnt/card |
| 23:28.27 | kergoth | mickey|tired: have you played with http://treke.net/rt/ yet? |
| 23:28.42 | mickey|tired | no, first time i read that address |
| 23:28.56 | mickey|tired | hmm |
| 23:28.57 | mickey|tired | 404 |
| 23:28.58 | chuckr | I pulled the usb plug when I put my zaurus into a case, then when I put the usb back, it won't come back for me |
| 23:29.04 | kergoth | hmm, maybe i got the url wrong |
| 23:29.54 | kergoth | treke|home: wheres rt again? |
| 23:30.02 | mickey|tired | treke is in a meeting |
| 23:30.07 | kergoth | ah |
| 23:30.17 | mickey|tired | I'll try tomorrow... bed time is here ;) |
| 23:30.19 | mickey|tired | g'night |
| 23:30.23 | kergoth | k, night |
| 23:30.29 | pole | hmm... |
| 23:30.38 | pole | anyone know what might be going on with my card? |
| 23:31.08 | ljp | I have an sd card that allowed me to delete the partition, but fails to write a new one |
| 23:31.24 | pole | wtf |
| 23:31.44 | pole | df says 46.4M is used and du says 27.5M is used |
| 23:32.02 | ljp | fsck? |
| 23:32.05 | bobbyd | kergoth: we're testing bugzilla at work, people jus tcomplain about how ugly it is |
| 23:32.05 | pole | and everything beyond /mnt/card/opt/QtPalmtop/ dissapeared |
| 23:32.19 | bobbyd | I dont understand why they dont just get someone to give it a makeover... |
| 23:32.22 | ljp | we use bugzilla internally |
| 23:32.34 | kergoth | me neither. its interface is crap, but nobody seems to do anything about it |
| 23:32.36 | gawel | one can make bugzilla reasonably purdy |
| 23:32.44 | bobbyd | we use testtrack, so people just want something simple... |
| 23:32.51 | pole | Inode 3825 is in use, but has dtime set. Fix<y>? |
| 23:33.06 | bobbyd | gawel: yes, but I dont have time, people will evaluate is for what it looks like now... |
| 23:33.10 | kergoth | i like rt's interface |
| 23:33.17 | pole | Inode 3825 has imagic flag set. Clear<y>? yes |
| 23:33.17 | kergoth | too bad it rquires like 87 perl modules |
| 23:33.24 | pole | i'm getting tons of these... |
| 23:33.34 | pole | answering y is what i should be doing? |
| 23:33.43 | kergoth | yep, hit use the defaults |
| 23:33.45 | bobbyd | kergoth: rt? |
| 23:34.01 | kergoth | ibot: google for rt |
| 23:34.15 | kergoth | its the bestpractical link |
| 23:34.30 | bobbyd | thanks |
| 23:34.34 | pole | dang i'm getting TONS of messages from fsck |
| 23:34.36 | kergoth | check the screenshots :) |
| 23:35.48 | bobbyd | yup |
| 23:35.51 | bobbyd | looks nice |
| 23:35.57 | pole | # du -sh /mnt/card/lost\+found/ |
| 23:36.01 | pole | 18.9M /mnt/card/lost+found |
| 23:36.07 | pole | yay, now what...? |
| 23:36.11 | bobbyd | I think that given a week I could make bugzilla look really nice |
| 23:36.23 | bobbyd | it just needs an idiot frontend for our artists |
| 23:36.59 | pole | can i recover anything in /mnt/card/lost+found/? or just delete everything in there and reinstall everything? |
| 23:38.53 | ljp | you can if you know what the filename was, I believe |
| 23:39.22 | pole | hmm... |
| 23:39.30 | *** join/#openzaurus Barna (zaxx@zux173-196.adsl.green.ch) |
| 23:39.32 | pole | it would be easier to just start over again |
| 23:39.37 | Barna | hi all |
| 23:39.39 | pole | can i just remove everything in lost+found? |
| 23:40.24 | Barna | mh... i've got a cheap noname CF Wlan card from ebay... and it only seems to work in non-wep mode... is there a known fix for this? :-) |
| 23:40.52 | pole | it might not support higher key lengths |
| 23:41.13 | pole | try a low key length |
| 23:41.14 | gawel | ker: btw, i do have rt up and running on my home box (one can set up replication and all) |
| 23:46.33 | Barna | no.. it doesn't work with 64bit... the cards specification says it should support up to 128bit.. mmmh |
| 23:52.38 | pole | i just did a rm -rf /mnt/card/lost+found |
| 23:52.47 | pole | rm -rf /mnt/card/lost+found/* |
| 23:52.53 | pole | that is... is that OK? |
| 23:52.59 | omin0us | wtf, my c760 was supposed to come today |
| 23:53.07 | omin0us | and UPS says they left it at the front door |
| 23:53.12 | omin0us | and guess what everyone |
| 23:53.20 | omin0us | NO PACKAGE :( |
| 23:53.25 | pole | ouch |
| 23:53.53 | omin0us | yeah, i'm so pissed right now |
| 23:54.00 | pole | Barna: you using 2.2.5? |
| 23:54.13 | Barna | uhm no OZ 3.2 |
| 23:56.54 | pole | damn this card is fucked up |
| 23:57.44 | pole | Restarting e2fsck from the beginning... |
| 23:57.48 | pole | /dev/mmcda1 contains a file system with errors, check forced. |
| 23:57.53 | pole | and keeps on looping |