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| 00:03.52 | Disconnect | so to update the kernel on 760 - just put it on cf with updater.sh (and no initrd) and flash, right? |
| 00:04.00 | ruied | back again (network problem), anyone kismet 3.0.1 with sharp 5500 and ox 3.3.5 |
| 00:04.01 | ruied | ? |
| 00:04.34 | Disconnect | ruied: good start, thats most of the info we need ;) what wlan card? |
| 00:05.56 | ruied | Disconnect linksys wcf12, but the problem is installing localy the 3.0.1 of kismet |
| 00:06.28 | ruied | I did: ipkg -d ram install kismet.....ipk |
| 00:06.34 | Disconnect | ok so then I guess the missing info is 'what is the problem' ;) |
| 00:07.38 | ruied | it says file doesn't exist bu it exists indeed... |
| 00:08.09 | ruied | I've tried other packages and it installed, but kismet 3.0.1 didn't... |
| 00:09.28 | ruied | am I doing something wrong? |
| 00:11.19 | jdh41 | hmm, this is looking good, now where did I leave that bluetooth card... |
| 00:12.43 | Tuxoverflow | just install wellenreiter |
| 00:12.46 | Tuxoverflow | easy |
| 00:12.53 | Tuxoverflow | ive heard it works with 3.3.35 |
| 00:12.57 | Tuxoverflow | 3.3.5 |
| 00:13.00 | Tuxoverflow | sorry |
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| 00:15.32 | ruiedd | does any one have sugestions to my problem? |
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| 00:19.05 | Tuxoverflow | yes ruried install wellenreiter |
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| 00:23.03 | ruied | "ipkg -d ram install /mnt/card/kismet_3.0.1_arm.ipk" is this command correct to install kismet in my oz ? |
| 00:23.31 | jdh41 | looks like it should work |
| 00:23.48 | jdh41 | you may need to do an ipkg-link add too |
| 00:24.12 | Tuxoverflow | why does it have to be kismet??????????? |
| 00:29.52 | Disconnect | wow. backup/restore saves package state. but not the packages! |
| 00:30.03 | Disconnect | thats ugly.. |
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| 00:44.26 | Tuxoverflow | can i install win CE on my Zaurus |
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| 01:11.35 | chouimat | night |
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| 01:34.50 | tuxoverflowZ | hey how is 3.3.5 testing going |
| 01:35.15 | tuxoverflowZ | got a stable feed yet that works |
| 01:36.44 | tuxoverflowZ | oz 3.2 with opie 1.2 is very good and stable |
| 01:39.17 | Matthew_I | what browsers are avaliable for opie or which is the best |
| 01:39.41 | tuxoverflowZ | opera |
| 01:39.48 | tuxoverflowZ | or konqueror |
| 01:39.57 | tuxoverflowZ | but opera is fast |
| 01:40.36 | Matthew_I | of course, I use opera on my pc, but how do I get opera for openzaurus |
| 01:40.56 | tuxoverflowZ | if i remove usb core how do i get it back! |
| 01:41.07 | tuxoverflowZ | er download the ipkg |
| 01:41.17 | tuxoverflowZ | for opera |
| 01:41.35 | Matthew_I | tuxoverflowZ: where is this ipkg? |
| 01:41.59 | tuxoverflowZ | i got it from the kompany rom |
| 01:42.06 | tuxoverflowZ | application pack |
| 01:43.00 | tuxoverflowZ | also if i remove usbmonitor will it come back after a reboot |
| 01:44.55 | tuxoverflowZ | oh well removed them now |
| 01:45.04 | tuxoverflowZ | what the bell |
| 01:45.07 | tuxoverflowZ | hell |
| 01:45.08 | tuxoverflowZ | ha |
| 01:45.36 | tuxoverflowZ | cpu usaged dropped dramaticaly |
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| 02:24.18 | Bala | does 3.3.5 have issues with dhcp over 802.11b with WEP enabled? it finds my AP but doesnt get an IP and I know 3.2 worked fine... |
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| 02:56.03 | macdigas | I' trying to get the oe buildsystem running and have a little problem: |
| 02:56.29 | macdigas | I get 'panic: end_shift at /.../oe/scripts/deps.pl line 22, <FILE> line 18.' |
| 02:58.44 | Twiun | what version of python do you have installed? |
| 03:00.51 | Twiun | I have 2.2.2 installed and it's quite possible you may need a later one - I have to get some sleep, but please do use the openzaurus-users mailing list as well, you can find instructions on how to subscribe at www.openzaurus.org on the contacts page. |
| 03:00.58 | macdigas | RedHat 9, python-2.2.2-26 |
| 03:01.34 | macdigas | Ok, I'll check it out |
| 03:01.34 | macdigas | Thx |
| 03:05.17 | macdigas | Hm, I get an SQL error message when I click on "Openzaurus-users Archives" |
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| 03:34.45 | donk | just put oz 3.2 on my 5500, anyone got socket wlan cf working w/ kismet? |
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| 04:16.19 | Shdwdrgn | hey a question about CF cards... I'm running OZ3.2 and a d-link DCF-660W. I've noticed that after using the wireless card, when I pop it out my system develops a lag. Take 1-2 seconds to respond to all screen taps. If I restart opie the problem goes away. Anyone else seeing this? |
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| 04:31.12 | Shdwdrgn | ok next question... anyone get qpeGPS to work? I've got gpsd running in the background (works fine under zRoadmap) but when I launch qpeGPS it just sits there trying to connect to gps... |
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| 05:08.38 | KingRobot | Anyone here had any success with the hostap 0.1.2 drivers? I can't seem to get them to work quite right... They *work*, but I get a lot of duplicate packets, which pretty much kills my transfer speeds. |
| 05:09.57 | KingRobot | Boy, this channel has been as silent as a grave this evening. :) |
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| 05:28.49 | notallan | Anyone have any quick words of wisdom on how to get OZ to sync using Intellisync with Outlook? |
| 05:29.44 | notallan | I've got a local area connection set up, and it says the Z is connected |
| 05:30.09 | notallan | I've got the IP/TCP set up correctly |
| 05:30.26 | notallan | Is there a particular version of Intellisync that I should be using? |
| 05:32.25 | Marsupilami23 | Anyone using Kernel 2.6 on their desktop and have success with connecting to their Zaurus? |
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| 07:33.27 | davisfactor | are there any special settings required when using a netgear wifi modem with oz 3.3.4/opie 1.0.2 ? |
| 07:38.25 | W8TVI | davisfactor: depends on the card, and its not a modem, its a wireless nic |
| 07:38.52 | W8TVI | what one is it? |
| 07:39.04 | davisfactor | true, it's a wifi nic .. the netgear ma701 |
| 07:39.18 | davisfactor | its just not detecting my network |
| 07:39.44 | davisfactor | and half the time it's detected as an "unsupported device" in the card manager |
| 07:39.57 | W8TVI | have you tried it another pda? |
| 07:40.02 | davisfactor | no |
| 07:40.07 | davisfactor | dont have another one to try it in |
| 07:40.22 | W8TVI | did it work just before you upgraded? |
| 07:40.49 | davisfactor | i just got the card today ... so 3.3.4 is the only rom ive tried it on |
| 07:40.58 | W8TVI | ah |
| 07:41.05 | W8TVI | it should "just work" |
| 07:41.09 | W8TVI | I had one. |
| 07:41.12 | W8TVI | I took it back |
| 07:41.24 | davisfactor | which one did you get instead? |
| 07:41.32 | W8TVI | some people (like me) had it die on us |
| 07:41.46 | davisfactor | im thinking this is a bad card since mots of the time it's not recognized |
| 07:42.01 | W8TVI | I got the ambicom WL1100C-CF |
| 07:42.06 | davisfactor | and hasn't worked here or on another wireless network |
| 07:42.32 | W8TVI | the times that it says "unsupported device" might be a bug |
| 07:42.39 | W8TVI | but if it wont work at all |
| 07:42.43 | W8TVI | its a bad card |
| 07:43.08 | davisfactor | well, the light flashes here at home, at work however, it's a constant light |
| 07:43.15 | davisfactor | never get an ip though |
| 07:43.16 | W8TVI | on ljp's 3.3.4 it my card works great, and it even works with wep |
| 07:43.32 | W8TVI | wep at work? |
| 07:43.38 | W8TVI | or at home? |
| 07:43.38 | davisfactor | no, but i do here |
| 07:43.48 | davisfactor | work=no, home=yes |
| 07:43.58 | W8TVI | have youy tried shutting off wep at home |
| 07:44.13 | davisfactor | not yet |
| 07:44.19 | W8TVI | try that |
| 07:44.26 | davisfactor | yeah, i will |
| 07:44.38 | W8TVI | if it still wont work, take it back and get the ambicom wl1100c |
| 07:44.40 | davisfactor | i was going to try upgrading to oz 3.3.5 but ive heard that kismet doesn't work oni t yet |
| 07:45.07 | W8TVI | have you tried wellenreiter ii? |
| 07:45.18 | davisfactor | ok, ill consider the ambicom card |
| 07:45.26 | davisfactor | no, haven't tried wellenreiter yet either |
| 07:45.47 | W8TVI | the one thing it wont do that kismet will, is find the name of a cloaked ssid ap |
| 07:45.54 | W8TVI | and it has a nice guo |
| 07:45.55 | W8TVI | gui |
| 07:45.59 | W8TVI | ibot wellenreiter ii |
| 07:46.01 | | wellenreiter ii is, like, at http://www.vanille.de/projects/wellenreiter.html |
| 07:46.08 | davisfactor | cool .. thanks |
| 07:46.47 | davisfactor | would you recommend upgrading to 3.3.5? |
| 07:46.52 | W8TVI | not really |
| 07:46.56 | davisfactor | it's not "stable" yet is it? |
| 07:47.01 | W8TVI | right |
| 07:47.17 | W8TVI | 3.3.4 is basicly 3.2 with the newer opie |
| 07:47.39 | W8TVI | opie 1.0.2 |
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| 07:47.43 | davisfactor | ahh .. that's what i upgraded from ... 3.3.4 is a lot faster then 3.2 ive noticed |
| 07:47.48 | W8TVI | yeah |
| 07:48.03 | W8TVI | ljp added in some bug fixes I think |
| 07:48.29 | W8TVI | its still basicly OZ 3.2 though |
| 07:48.37 | W8TVI | still uses the older kernel |
| 07:48.41 | W8TVI | but its stable |
| 07:48.41 | davisfactor | on a side note ... what's the best media player for videos/ogg/mp3 |
| 07:48.49 | W8TVI | xmmse |
| 07:49.01 | davisfactor | yeah, i like oz/opie |
| 07:49.04 | W8TVI | it'll set you back about a mb |
| 07:49.08 | W8TVI | MB |
| 07:49.11 | W8TVI | but its worth it |
| 07:49.16 | davisfactor | not worried about space |
| 07:49.33 | W8TVI | right now opie's mediaplayer isn't worth messing with |
| 07:49.51 | W8TVI | I'd rather use it, but they are working out some bugs |
| 07:49.59 | W8TVI | ibot xmms-e |
| 07:50.00 | | You can get XMMS-E at http://xmms-embedded.sourceforge.net Don't use the feed. Its borked. Download the IPKs and then install them. |
| 07:50.19 | davisfactor | ahhh, nice ... ill definitely get that |
| 07:50.36 | W8TVI | just download everything and you'll be ok |
| 07:50.41 | davisfactor | will do |
| 07:50.50 | davisfactor | brb .. gonna switch to non wep |
| 07:51.16 | W8TVI | you can even play stuff thru the buzzer if you dont have the headphones pluged int |
| 07:51.18 | W8TVI | in |
| 07:51.31 | W8TVI | and it auto switches |
| 07:51.34 | davisfactor | really? thats nice |
| 07:51.44 | davisfactor | how does it sound though? |
| 07:52.10 | W8TVI | before using xmmse I didn't know that the zaurus could tell if something was pluged into the jack |
| 07:52.16 | W8TVI | sounds like crap |
| 07:52.19 | W8TVI | but it works :) |
| 07:52.26 | davisfactor | heh |
| 07:52.34 | davisfactor | ok brb |
| 07:52.36 | W8TVI | if you mess with it, it doesn't sound tooo bad |
| 07:52.54 | W8TVI | but your better off with speakers/headphones |
| 07:55.58 | W8TVI | well... I need to head to bed... got a job to go to tomorow |
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| 11:48.34 | Carkus | anyone had problems with CF devices in OZ 3.3.5 ? mainly wifi cards.. when they arent being recognised on insertion ? |
| 11:49.46 | mr_claus | Carkus: no it runs fine |
| 11:50.21 | Carkus | odd |
| 11:50.33 | Piete | well, it recognizes my d-link as some weird X-com or something,, but it works fine ;) |
| 11:50.46 | Piete | infact, it works -great- |
| 11:51.12 | Carkus | cardctl ident see's the wifi card.. but doesnt seem to load modules |
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| 12:39.52 | Piete | g'nite |
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| 12:55.07 | MG_Tak | hi gawel |
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| 14:33.12 | MG_Tak | morning |
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| 14:45.07 | kolla | where are those hostap drivers one is supposed to test with OZ3.3.5? |
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| 14:49.35 | kolla | silent stuff |
| 14:49.58 | kolla | someone said something about new/different hostap drivers.. |
| 14:50.30 | aw | i'm running debian and kernel 2.4.21, installed hotplug and when I insert the Z on the cradle (running oz 3.3.5) i can see eth2 on my pc... Do i have to assign an Ip ton an interface on the Z? What Ip does it have if i don't? |
| 14:51.09 | MG_Tak | I think it's.. 192.168.1.100 , but I'm not sure |
| 14:51.26 | aw | is that configured in the z? or assigned by the pc? |
| 14:53.07 | MG_Tak | In the Sharp ROM it's configured from the PC-Link screen |
| 14:53.35 | MG_Tak | Haven't tried it on OZ yet because I haven't been using OZ and USB |
| 14:54.13 | aw | I have wifi too, but wanted to have it setup with this other pc... let me check the link thing |
| 14:54.14 | aw | thanks |
| 15:06.21 | aw | I can't ping the Zaurus... I see it from the pc (usp/hot plug see it), but no pinging.... |
| 15:06.54 | aw | I remember there were some usb problems with 3.3.5-rc1, Is usb working under 3.3.5? |
| 15:06.55 | kolla | is the zaurus configured |
| 15:06.56 | kolla | ? |
| 15:07.11 | heatsink | well usb works |
| 15:07.12 | kolla | no idea whether it works with 3.3.5 |
| 15:07.12 | heatsink | but.. |
| 15:07.16 | heatsink | it'll hang |
| 15:07.17 | aw | Well, i configured usbd0 to give it the ip |
| 15:07.30 | heatsink | just don't take it out of the cradle |
| 15:07.34 | heatsink | hha |
| 15:07.45 | aw | heatsink: will it hang the zaurus? |
| 15:08.07 | heatsink | depends..I think it just hangs the pen action |
| 15:08.14 | heatsink | the touchscreen |
| 15:08.21 | heatsink | doesn't respond to pen taps |
| 15:08.24 | aw | All i did in the zaurus is give an ip to usbd0, is that all that's necesary? |
| 15:08.38 | heatsink | you might want to do a |
| 15:08.47 | heatsink | ifconfig usbd0 down |
| 15:08.55 | heatsink | then ifconfig usbd0 up on the Z |
| 15:09.10 | heatsink | then send the ip again on your desktop |
| 15:09.14 | heatsink | then it should work |
| 15:09.21 | heatsink | what kernel are you running on your desktop? |
| 15:10.01 | aw | 2.4.21 |
| 15:10.27 | heatsink | aw, is it patched? |
| 15:10.47 | aw | no, as far as I understand 2.4.21 requires no patching. |
| 15:11.03 | kolla | have you installed the needed module? |
| 15:11.03 | heatsink | right, duh 2.4.18 is the one i had before |
| 15:11.06 | kolla | and loaded it? |
| 15:11.15 | heatsink | so when you did an lsmod |
| 15:11.22 | aw | yea, as soon as I plug int the zaurus usb creates eth2 |
| 15:11.31 | kolla | nice |
| 15:11.34 | heatsink | okay cool |
| 15:11.51 | heatsink | then just set the gateway ip on your eth2 |
| 15:12.03 | heatsink | or you probably did that |
| 15:12.04 | aw | and i did ifup eth2, |
| 15:12.11 | kolla | heh... perhaps I shall start using my cradle too now |
| 15:12.17 | aw | what is it, the Z? |
| 15:12.24 | heatsink | so |
| 15:12.32 | heatsink | ping 192.168.100.201? |
| 15:12.54 | heatsink | let me check the script i have it should work |
| 15:12.55 | aw | I changed the ips, |
| 15:13.01 | kolla | anyone know if sound problems with sl-5500 and opieplayer2 was fixed? |
| 15:13.11 | heatsink | opps |
| 15:13.24 | heatsink | 192.168.129.201 |
| 15:13.44 | aw | i have pointopoint 10.100.103.51 in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:13.53 | aw | but no gateway for eth2 |
| 15:14.07 | heatsink | ouch |
| 15:14.12 | aw | should it be the gateway? remove pointopoint? |
| 15:14.21 | heatsink | well |
| 15:14.31 | heatsink | you should be able to ssh in |
| 15:14.45 | heatsink | or telnet at least |
| 15:14.45 | aw | I can't even ping it... |
| 15:14.54 | heatsink | cause I think your eth2 isn't configured properly |
| 15:15.12 | heatsink | you need to set the ip on eth2 to like XXX.XXX.XXX.1 |
| 15:15.15 | aw | what do you have as the gateway on the pc? |
| 15:15.28 | heatsink | and have the gateway on the Z point to that |
| 15:15.50 | aw | yea, I have that... put a gateway on the pc? |
| 15:15.50 | heatsink | think of it as networking two pc's with a crossover cable |
| 15:16.13 | heatsink | each ip on each side |
| 15:16.21 | heatsink | needs to be on the same network |
| 15:16.45 | heatsink | just type this |
| 15:17.02 | heatsink | ifconfig eth2 192.168.129.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 up |
| 15:17.03 | aw | yea, i have all that... I don't know what pointopoint is for |
| 15:17.52 | heatsink | aw, you don't want to use p2p right now |
| 15:17.58 | heatsink | just want to be able to ping the thing |
| 15:18.06 | heatsink | then you can enable p2p later |
| 15:18.15 | aw | heatsink: ok, let me remove it... Should the pc have the Z ip as gateway? |
| 15:18.22 | heatsink | no |
| 15:18.25 | heatsink | the gateway should be lik |
| 15:18.32 | heatsink | 192.168.129.200 |
| 15:19.03 | aw | on the Zaurus? |
| 15:19.07 | heatsink | yup |
| 15:19.16 | heatsink | ip on the z: 192.168.129.201 |
| 15:19.22 | heatsink | netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 15:19.30 | heatsink | gateway 192.168.129.200 |
| 15:19.36 | heatsink | that's it |
| 15:19.48 | heatsink | it should already be there |
| 15:19.57 | heatsink | but you might have taken it out |
| 15:20.01 | aw | 192.168.129.200 is that the pc's ip? |
| 15:20.05 | heatsink | no |
| 15:20.08 | heatsink | I was wrong |
| 15:20.14 | aw | ok is 1 |
| 15:20.19 | heatsink | about setting the gateway on the Z to xxx.xxx.xxx.1 |
| 15:20.32 | heatsink | I was thinking of something else I did |
| 15:20.47 | aw | let me try to revert all ip changes i did then. |
| 15:20.52 | heatsink | hahaha |
| 15:20.55 | heatsink | it might work |
| 15:20.57 | heatsink | reguardless |
| 15:21.02 | heatsink | the .1 or .200 |
| 15:21.13 | heatsink | are kinda illrelevant to just ping it |
| 15:21.18 | aw | really? needs no gateway? |
| 15:21.24 | heatsink | nope |
| 15:21.28 | aw | i guess not since they are on the same network |
| 15:21.32 | heatsink | right |
| 15:21.34 | heatsink | exactly |
| 15:22.04 | aw | well, in that case it should work with my setup the way it is... I have same subnet, Ips on the same subnet |
| 15:22.20 | heatsink | then do this on your desktop _>ifconfig eth2 192.168.129.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 up |
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| 15:22.48 | heatsink | _> route add -host 192.168.129.201 eth2 |
| 15:23.38 | aw | done, but still can't ping |
| 15:23.49 | heatsink | hrmm... |
| 15:23.51 | heatsink | do an ifconfig |
| 15:24.02 | heatsink | ahh yes |
| 15:24.07 | heatsink | bring up a terminal |
| 15:24.08 | heatsink | on the Z |
| 15:24.15 | heatsink | using the pickboard |
| 15:24.17 | heatsink | do |
| 15:24.24 | heatsink | ifdown usbd0 |
| 15:24.30 | heatsink | then ifup usbd0 |
| 15:24.33 | heatsink | keep the Z in the cradle |
| 15:24.59 | heatsink | if that doesn't work |
| 15:25.22 | heatsink | what distro are you running on your box |
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| 15:27.08 | aw | debian |
| 15:27.11 | aw | it didn't work |
| 15:27.23 | heatsink | ouch |
| 15:27.25 | heatsink | I run slackware |
| 15:27.34 | heatsink | is hotplug installed ? |
| 15:27.52 | heatsink | okay |
| 15:28.12 | heatsink | duh that makes sense.. |
| 15:28.22 | heatsink | hotplug has to be installed |
| 15:28.35 | heatsink | cause you said when you put your Z in the cradle |
| 15:28.37 | aw | ye, it is installed... ... :( |
| 15:28.46 | heatsink | hrmm.. |
| 15:28.48 | heatsink | I have not a clue |
| 15:28.48 | aw | no clue what it is... ips are fine |
| 15:28.54 | heatsink | hrmm.. |
| 15:28.55 | heatsink | grrrr |
| 15:28.57 | aw | eth2 is up in pc and usbd0 is up in z |
| 15:29.04 | aw | :'( |
| 15:29.43 | heatsink | ahh |
| 15:29.55 | heatsink | do you have a uhci usb thing? |
| 15:29.59 | heatsink | usb controller? |
| 15:30.15 | heatsink | when you do a lsmod |
| 15:30.22 | heatsink | do you see uhci |
| 15:30.25 | heatsink | or usb-uhci |
| 15:30.31 | aw | uhci |
| 15:30.37 | heatsink | ah ha |
| 15:30.39 | aw | unused |
| 15:30.41 | heatsink | rmmod uhci |
| 15:30.57 | heatsink | the modprobe usb-uhci |
| 15:31.02 | heatsink | then* |
| 15:31.14 | aw | usbcore 63436 1 [usbnet CDCEther uhci printer scanner usb-storage] |
| 15:31.19 | aw | ok |
| 15:31.33 | heatsink | oh crap |
| 15:31.40 | heatsink | rmmod CDCEther |
| 15:31.41 | heatsink | too |
| 15:31.44 | heatsink | that's the culprit |
| 15:32.05 | heatsink | you should use usb-uhci though |
| 15:32.15 | heatsink | it's better than uhci |
| 15:32.25 | heatsink | in some special way I just can't remember |
| 15:32.35 | aw | ok |
| 15:32.39 | heatsink | you need to update /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
| 15:33.16 | heatsink | and put these two lines in there |
| 15:33.19 | aw | i have it there... |
| 15:33.22 | heatsink | CDCEther |
| 15:33.25 | heatsink | and |
| 15:33.33 | heatsink | CDCEther? |
| 15:33.49 | aw | is it case sensitive? |
| 15:33.55 | heatsink | well |
| 15:34.08 | heatsink | in mine i have case sensitive |
| 15:34.09 | aw | i've changed it. to CDCEther |
| 15:34.10 | heatsink | and it worked |
| 15:34.15 | heatsink | ahh |
| 15:34.17 | heatsink | okay |
| 15:34.17 | aw | it was all lower |
| 15:34.22 | heatsink | did you rmmod CDCEther?" |
| 15:34.30 | heatsink | ahh |
| 15:34.34 | aw | yes |
| 15:34.42 | heatsink | I think the howto shows it in all lowercase |
| 15:34.43 | heatsink | hahaah |
| 15:34.46 | heatsink | that's probably why |
| 15:34.58 | aw | yes |
| 15:35.08 | heatsink | okay |
| 15:35.10 | heatsink | try pinging now |
| 15:35.13 | heatsink | if it doesn't work |
| 15:35.20 | heatsink | you might have to reload the usbnet module |
| 15:35.35 | heatsink | in which you would do |
| 15:35.39 | heatsink | rmmod usbnet |
| 15:35.41 | heatsink | and modprobe usbnet |
| 15:36.16 | heatsink | and then you might have to do that ifconfig crap again |
| 15:36.45 | heatsink | it should work now |
| 15:37.26 | aw | all that is done, but still no ping :'( something else is messed up |
| 15:37.53 | heatsink | wait |
| 15:37.58 | heatsink | did you modprobe usb-uhci? |
| 15:38.09 | aw | ah |
| 15:38.13 | aw | it was my firewall! |
| 15:38.16 | heatsink | what? |
| 15:39.29 | aw | u se, this pc has 3 interfaces, one goes to my internet firewall, anotherone is a wireless one to serve wireles to my laptop and pda over wifi, and now this usb |
| 15:39.40 | aw | i nat to the pda and laptop over wifi to see internet |
| 15:39.53 | aw | well, when it was up, it would not let me see my pda over usb |
| 15:40.19 | heatsink | how weird |
| 15:40.31 | heatsink | when your wifi was up |
| 15:41.06 | heatsink | hrmm |
| 15:41.08 | heatsink | cool |
| 15:41.10 | aw | not the wifi, but the firewall that nats to the wifi |
| 15:41.16 | heatsink | ahhh |
| 15:41.17 | heatsink | gotcha |
| 15:41.47 | aw | so i guess my firewall is not very well configured |
| 15:41.47 | heatsink | that's a cool setup |
| 15:42.16 | aw | i wish i had been able to put the wifi on my internet firewall, but it's an old alpha and it won't see the pci/pcmcia bridge |
| 15:42.35 | heatsink | you have one of those cards? |
| 15:42.48 | heatsink | it's a plx |
| 15:43.12 | heatsink | it's gotta be a prism chipset |
| 15:43.18 | aw | not plx, it's an actual bridge... The alpha sees it, but it won't give it an irq and won't setup the pcmcia card. |
| 15:43.36 | aw | the same pci card and pcmcia card inside work on a newer pc |
| 15:43.51 | heatsink | what drivers are you using? |
| 15:43.53 | kolla | heatsink: speaking of.. wasnt there some new hostap modules? |
| 15:44.08 | heatsink | that's a good question |
| 15:44.27 | heatsink | for the Z? |
| 15:44.36 | kolla | yes, for OZ 3.3.5 even |
| 15:44.51 | aw | heatsink: orinoco |
| 15:44.59 | aw | brb |
| 15:45.02 | heatsink | k |
| 15:45.04 | heatsink | no idea |
| 15:45.09 | heatsink | if there was |
| 15:45.13 | kolla | ok |
| 15:45.20 | heatsink | i'm on like some version of wlan-ng |
| 15:47.34 | heatsink | kolla, you know if there is support for any of the 802.11g pcmcia cardS? |
| 15:47.43 | kolla | no idea |
| 15:48.11 | kolla | what would the point be.. the CF is only 16bit and wouldnt be able to handle it well, would it? :) |
| 15:48.17 | kolla | oh.. I do have an idea |
| 15:48.30 | heatsink | for my laptop |
| 15:48.36 | kolla | the CF slot is not a 32bit card slot |
| 15:48.49 | kolla | cardbus |
| 15:49.04 | kolla | those .11g cards are all 32bit cardbus cards |
| 15:49.27 | kolla | not "pcmcia" cards |
| 15:49.46 | heatsink | k |
| 15:50.25 | heatsink | CV? |
| 15:50.33 | kolla | ups |
| 15:50.35 | kolla | CF |
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| 15:52.47 | heatsink | hrmmm.. |
| 15:52.58 | heatsink | ya that might be the way to go |
| 15:53.13 | heatsink | but power consumption.. |
| 15:53.17 | kolla | :) |
| 15:53.22 | heatsink | i'm wondering how bad that would be? |
| 15:53.31 | kolla | I have a battery backed USB disk |
| 15:53.49 | kolla | with buildt in memory card reader |
| 15:53.56 | heatsink | ahh |
| 15:54.05 | heatsink | how much do those run? |
| 15:54.57 | kolla | so with a CF USB controller I could stuff the CF card into the card reader.. turn it on, copy files I want from the disk to the card, turn it off, remove the USB controller and insert the CF memory with the new music/video :) |
| 15:55.20 | kolla | http://www.ratocsystems.com/english/products/subpages/cfu1u.html like this one for example |
| 15:56.47 | heatsink | sweet |
| 15:56.50 | zap-zero | can i safely use the kernel from 3.2 together with the rest (initrd, packages) from 3.3.5? |
| 15:57.11 | heatsink | I don't think so |
| 15:57.17 | zap-zero | i get real evil freezes after resume with 2.4.18 |
| 15:57.32 | kolla | heatsink: this is the disk/card-reader I have: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0301/03012801vosonicxdrive2.asp |
| 15:58.01 | heatsink | oh sweet |
| 15:58.17 | heatsink | kolla, have you see a CF usb controller with out that cable thing? |
| 15:58.19 | zap-zero | but i like the aqpkg improvements and the fact that the document tab can be disabled w/ 3.3.5 |
| 15:58.30 | heatsink | like wiwth an actual plastic usb port(s) |
| 15:58.36 | zap-zero | is there some hack to disable Documents with 3.2 too? |
| 15:59.01 | zap-zero | it's annoying with big cf/sd cards |
| 15:59.15 | kolla | so with the above USB controller.. put CF memory into the X-drive, X-drive on the USB cable.. USB CF-card in the zaurus.. copy whatever files I want from the disk to the CF memory... turn it off, put the disk and USB controller away and reinsert the CF memory into the Z with the new stuff :) |
| 15:59.36 | kolla | heatsink: no |
| 15:59.44 | heatsink | nice |
| 15:59.53 | aw | heatsink: Thanks for all the help |
| 16:00.01 | heatsink | does it work now? |
| 16:00.10 | heatsink | welcome |
| 16:00.12 | heatsink | anytime |
| 16:00.33 | aw | well, I guess it worked since the beginning, it was my firewall blocking it. |
| 16:00.44 | heatsink | oh ya |
| 16:00.44 | aw | i have not figured out how to fix that but it's a separate issue. |
| 16:01.01 | heatsink | hey aw |
| 16:01.10 | heatsink | opps |
| 16:01.12 | heatsink | nm |
| 16:01.51 | heatsink | kolla, |
| 16:01.56 | aw | yes |
| 16:02.07 | heatsink | kolla, you ever got a pcmcia hard drive? |
| 16:03.17 | kolla | on zaurus? no |
| 16:03.25 | heatsink | I mean like on a laptop |
| 16:03.31 | heatsink | I'm having some problems trying to mount one |
| 16:03.32 | kolla | oh.. no |
| 16:03.34 | heatsink | it was in my ipod |
| 16:03.38 | heatsink | I think it took a dump |
| 16:03.46 | heatsink | but I suspect it's just a bad sector or something |
| 16:07.36 | kolla | sigh.. the wlan with the current hostap modules is hopeless.. once I start transferring any data on it, the signal quality drops to zero and it stops up |
| 16:08.01 | aw | heatsink: so usbmet shoud be loaded on /etc/modules? |
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| 16:08.25 | heatsink | usb-uhci? |
| 16:08.29 | heatsink | or usbnet? |
| 16:08.39 | heatsink | I think you could alias it |
| 16:08.40 | aw | iether or? |
| 16:08.48 | heatsink | no |
| 16:08.56 | heatsink | i think hotplug will take care of it |
| 16:08.59 | heatsink | you should be alright |
| 16:09.10 | heatsink | did you try rebooting |
| 16:09.36 | heatsink | and see if the hotplug stuff picked it up |
| 16:10.09 | aw | i'll try |
| 16:10.10 | aw | thanks |
| 16:10.25 | kolla | hm |
| 16:10.30 | aw | thanks |
| 16:10.30 | kolla | "The card's txpower, sensitivity, rate and retry count can be set withiwconfig. These settings only seem to work in master (AP) mode. Further,the card often resets spontaneously, and these values are lost even inthe master mode. This patch tries to solve these (and many realated) problems." |
| 16:10.35 | kolla | sounds reasonable |
| 16:10.49 | kolla | sonds like the problems I have |
| 16:10.54 | kolla | sounds |
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| 16:23.14 | aw | heatsink: hotplug did not automatically got usb0 up, any clues? |
| 16:25.10 | aw | or should i set auto usb0 in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 16:42.00 | MG_Tak | Does OZ handle different wifi setups? The Sharp ROM allows you to 'pick' different networks to connect to depending on where you are. |
| 16:43.30 | kolla | profiles you mean? |
| 16:43.33 | zap-zero | do you need gps for that? :) |
| 16:44.09 | kolla | not sure if OZ can do it |
| 16:44.41 | kolla | I'm sure there's some opie-sh script that can do it though, heh |
| 16:44.46 | W8TVI | profiles will be in opie 1.2 (or so I'm told) |
| 16:45.22 | kolla | along with vanished Documents? :) |
| 16:45.27 | MG_Tak | Opie has a "profiles" tab in networking but it's disabled right now |
| 16:45.47 | W8TVI | the doc tab can be disabled in oz 3.3.5 |
| 16:45.55 | kolla | not removed |
| 16:46.04 | kolla | only "crippled" |
| 16:46.20 | W8TVI | it does the same thing as removing it |
| 16:46.38 | zap-zero | but still wastes tab space |
| 16:46.40 | kolla | and much to my astonishment, opieplayer2 now has seperated "open file" and "open url" |
| 16:47.17 | kolla | and Iwas flamed away for suggesting it a year ago :) |
| 16:47.49 | kolla | I guess I will get flamed again if I suggest thast the "open file" requester should have the possibility to multiselect :) |
| 16:48.07 | kolla | opening one and one file into the playlist is tedious |
| 16:48.31 | W8TVI | use xmmse |
| 16:48.36 | kolla | indeed :) |
| 16:48.39 | kolla | I do that |
| 16:48.40 | W8TVI | works like winamo |
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| 16:48.46 | W8TVI | amp |
| 16:48.53 | kolla | opieplayer2 wont even play on sl-5500 now |
| 16:49.33 | kolla | wish I could get the wlan working as it did in OZ3.0 though :| |
| 16:57.25 | kolla | AC is 10m away.. and current bitrate is 2Mb/s :| |
| 16:57.36 | kolla | AC -> AP |
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| 17:14.36 | heatsink | aw, that's distro specfic stuff |
| 17:14.36 | heatsink | got me |
| 17:15.03 | heatsink | aw, usbnet should be loaded upon insertion of your Z |
| 17:19.00 | kolla | http://lists.shmoo.com/pipermail/hostap/2002-December/000772.html |
| 17:19.03 | kolla | interresting |
| 17:19.26 | kolla | noticed there was a "ignore_cis_vcc=0" in the hostap config file |
| 17:19.31 | kolla | now.. using =0 |
| 17:19.35 | kolla | let's see what blows :) |
| 17:20.18 | kolla | no difference :P |
| 17:22.58 | kolla | oh wait.. that line was commented out |
| 17:25.55 | Disconnect | kolla: IIRC that line is for pcmcia only (it forces the card voltage, I think. and cf is only 3.3v) |
| 17:41.34 | kolla | Disconnect: yes, so I found |
| 17:43.07 | kolla | I want working wlan on my Z :'/ |
| 17:43.44 | heatsink | kolla, I want my friggin' 140 socket 2.5 bluetooth card to work with my Z |
| 17:43.50 | heatsink | ain't happening anytime soon |
| 17:43.56 | kolla | that too |
| 17:44.02 | heatsink | friggin' ya |
| 17:44.18 | kolla | I also have a socket inc BT card |
| 17:44.25 | heatsink | the new one? |
| 17:44.27 | heatsink | 2.5? |
| 17:44.29 | heatsink | e or whatever.. |
| 17:44.38 | kolla | dunno.. bought it last year |
| 17:44.42 | heatsink | ahh |
| 17:44.43 | kolla | I think mine is toaast though |
| 17:44.44 | MG_Tak | I want a universal data format that can sync between SunONE, Outlook, Palm, Z PIM software and my phone.. |
| 17:44.56 | kolla | MG_Tak: "SyncML" |
| 17:45.01 | kolla | </buzzword> |
| 17:45.03 | heatsink | yes SyncML |
| 17:45.23 | kolla | SyncML server with LDAP backend |
| 17:45.50 | kolla | the most frustrating thing with my wlan stuff is that it worked _swell_ with old OZ 3.0 |
| 17:45.53 | heatsink | what is SunONE |
| 17:46.06 | kolla | all the problems came with 3.2 |
| 17:46.16 | heatsink | hehe |
| 17:46.22 | heatsink | but 3.3.5 looks soo cool |
| 17:46.26 | heatsink | opie looks nice |
| 17:46.40 | kolla | wince wannabe |
| 17:46.49 | heatsink | and it's 2.4.18 kernel! |
| 17:47.10 | heatsink | what do people that have pocket pc's use? |
| 17:47.21 | heatsink | i mean when the make it linux |
| 17:47.21 | kolla | pocketpc? |
| 17:47.28 | kolla | ? |
| 17:47.32 | heatsink | ipaq |
| 17:47.37 | kolla | what about it? |
| 17:47.46 | kolla | what do they use their ipaqs for? |
| 17:47.50 | heatsink | i mean |
| 17:47.53 | heatsink | they don't use open zaurus |
| 17:47.58 | kolla | ah |
| 17:47.59 | heatsink | and it's the same processor |
| 17:48.02 | kolla | they use familiar |
| 17:48.12 | heatsink | do they make a rom for the Z? |
| 17:48.27 | kolla | who? |
| 17:48.32 | heatsink | familiar? |
| 17:48.39 | MG_Tak | SunONE is something made by Sun that integrates... lots of things. at my school we have the mail and calendar services from said SunONE |
| 17:48.39 | kolla | no |
| 17:48.48 | kolla | there is OpenEmbedded |
| 17:49.01 | kolla | OpenEmbedded is familiar+openzaurus+various |
| 17:49.19 | MG_Tak | kolla: so what do you want opie to do...? |
| 17:49.37 | kolla | heatsink: http://www.handhelds.org |
| 17:49.53 | kolla | MG_Tak: stay out of the way? :) |
| 17:50.01 | kolla | drop it dead |
| 17:50.10 | kolla | move to PicoGUI :) |
| 17:50.11 | MG_Tak | kolla: and you would use your z how? |
| 17:50.12 | MG_Tak | ah |
| 17:50.27 | kolla | PicoGUI is cool |
| 17:50.42 | kolla | it's not about being "nice" |
| 17:51.02 | kolla | it's about working well |
| 17:51.11 | kolla | and being "different" |
| 17:51.26 | kolla | and about working |
| 17:51.38 | kolla | that opie taskbar for example is pretty much useless |
| 17:51.42 | MG_Tak | being "different" is hardly what I look for |
| 17:51.46 | kolla | it gets crammed |
| 17:51.55 | kolla | MG_Tak: then there is PocketPC for you :) |
| 17:52.11 | MG_Tak | kolla: no, I'm just not stupid enough to use something because it's different. |
| 17:52.16 | MG_Tak | I find other good reasons to use things. |
| 17:52.49 | kolla | well, what's so great about opie then? :) |
| 17:53.17 | kolla | ok, and what's not so great about picogui? |
| 17:53.24 | heatsink | i think pocket pc's PIM sucks |
| 17:54.02 | heatsink | i haven't tried symbian |
| 17:54.07 | MG_Tak | kolla: none of the screenshots I've seen give me a sense of good usability, that's all. |
| 17:54.37 | heatsink | I give pocket pc in having good usability |
| 17:55.20 | kolla | MG_Tak: ok, but I have tried it hands on on my Z :) |
| 17:55.50 | kolla | the way it handles the "desktop" space is very nice |
| 17:56.01 | MG_Tak | kolla: and as much as I usually ignore looks in favor of usability, the screenshots I've seen are damn ugly. :) |
| 17:57.07 | kolla | http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website//content/shots/picogui/port.25525.png <- ugly, yes |
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| 17:58.10 | MG_Tak | yeah |
| 17:58.41 | kolla | clean and no-nonsense I'd say |
| 17:58.55 | MG_Tak | and ugly |
| 17:58.58 | kolla | and damn.. a heck lot quicker and more responsive |
| 17:59.08 | kolla | opie is a sluggy dog :) |
| 17:59.33 | MG_Tak | that it is, at time |
| 17:59.34 | MG_Tak | s |
| 18:00.08 | kolla | my zaurus needs three times the time of my amiga to boot off the SD card btw :) |
| 18:00.34 | kolla | the zaurus has a 200MHz SA1110, the amiga has a 33MHz 68030 |
| 18:00.48 | MG_Tak | kolla: and that means anything how? |
| 18:00.52 | kolla | the amiga booting off USB memory card reader |
| 18:01.12 | kolla | dunno.. that the zaurus SD reader blows? :) |
| 18:01.25 | MG_Tak | my 450Mhz PII takes longer to check its RAM than my Z takes to boot.. |
| 18:01.29 | MG_Tak | Aren't you glad you know that? |
| 18:01.45 | kolla | you only have a 450MHz PII? |
| 18:01.46 | kolla | :) |
| 18:02.01 | MG_Tak | Dual 450Mhz PII Xeon |
| 18:02.06 | kolla | still |
| 18:02.17 | heatsink | MG_Tak, gig of ram? |
| 18:02.21 | MG_Tak | heatsink: 2 |
| 18:02.25 | heatsink | sweet |
| 18:02.26 | heatsink | nice |
| 18:02.35 | MG_Tak | :) |
| 18:02.42 | heatsink | I used to develop on a dual 800 PIII Coppermine |
| 18:02.46 | heatsink | awesome system |
| 18:02.54 | heatsink | it was a VA Linux Box |
| 18:02.57 | kolla | the amiga was made in 1992 and the zaurus 10 years later |
| 18:03.09 | heatsink | I miss that workstation |
| 18:03.28 | MG_Tak | kolla: I don't think anyone really gives a crap about your amiga vs. zaurus story |
| 18:03.39 | heatsink | amiga |
| 18:03.40 | heatsink | hahaah |
| 18:03.41 | kolla | I'm just saying that the zaurus is a dog :) |
| 18:03.42 | kolla | slow |
| 18:04.02 | kolla | even though the hardware is a heck lot faster |
| 18:04.09 | kolla | so what is it? |
| 18:04.16 | kolla | is it linux that makes it so? |
| 18:04.26 | jdh41 | probably architecture too |
| 18:05.04 | jdh41 | I don't know as much about amigas, but I imagine their OS don't have quite as much probing and stuff to do on start up, aren't modular, ... |
| 18:05.11 | MG_Tak | My Ti-92 doesn't take any time to boot.. |
| 18:05.19 | MG_Tak | and it can compute something like 300! |
| 18:05.22 | kolla | because it doest :) |
| 18:05.23 | jdh41 | :) |
| 18:05.27 | kolla | doesnt |
| 18:05.52 | heatsink | tell me why my friggin' ipod's hard drive took a crap? |
| 18:06.04 | kolla | the Newton also boots a heck lot faster than zaurus.. made in 1997, same CPU as zaurus, only a 167MHz |
| 18:06.06 | MG_Tak | heatsink: I'm gonna guess "malnurished" |
| 18:06.17 | heatsink | malnurisheD? |
| 18:06.17 | heatsink | haha |
| 18:06.30 | MG_Tak | hmm |
| 18:06.44 | heatsink | could be the fact that it didn't have any memory expansion? |
| 18:06.48 | heatsink | or i/o |
| 18:06.49 | MG_Tak | malnourished, probably :) |
| 18:06.49 | heatsink | like |
| 18:06.51 | heatsink | a CF |
| 18:06.55 | heatsink | or a SD slot |
| 18:06.58 | kolla | heh, my Newton has 2 pcmcia slots |
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| 18:07.04 | heatsink | oh what? |
| 18:07.10 | heatsink | I didn't know that |
| 18:07.12 | heatsink | hrmm.. |
| 18:07.14 | kolla | pcmcia |
| 18:07.25 | kolla | use it for ethernet, modem and ram |
| 18:07.41 | kolla | it also has a much smarter OS |
| 18:08.06 | kolla | hence apple canned it |
| 18:08.08 | heatsink | it was a decent device |
| 18:08.22 | heatsink | bad marketing or something |
| 18:08.34 | heatsink | I hope the bring it back |
| 18:08.48 | heatsink | apple needs a PDA |
| 18:08.51 | kolla | apple canned it when Jobs came back.. he didnt stand good ideas that wasnt his :) |
| 18:09.01 | heatsink | hahaah |
| 18:09.29 | kergoth | eh? "already knew what to expect"? |
| 18:09.58 | jdh41 | does it go looking for PCI buses and stuff, probing etc? |
| 18:10.33 | kergoth | um, theres no pci controller. what would it probe? |
| 18:10.47 | jdh41 | true |
| 18:11.20 | kergoth | okay, dont assume you know how to fix something that you dont understand :P |
| 18:11.37 | heatsink | hahahahaha |
| 18:11.37 | kergoth | most of the boot time is taken up by the init+initscripts, then opie startup |
| 18:11.42 | kolla | indeed |
| 18:11.45 | kergoth | switching to a better init would cut the time drastically |
| 18:12.19 | kolla | like reducing the entire crapola to one single script that does exaclty what you want it to and nothing else.. "smart" stuff :) |
| 18:12.36 | kergoth | nah, the first step is to switch to a need(8) based init |
| 18:12.45 | kergoth | which is what gentoo does, but they do it badly |
| 18:12.54 | kergoth | this allows you to run multiple startup scripts simultaniously on boot |
| 18:12.56 | kergoth | cuts the time quite a bit |
| 18:13.06 | kolla | why not just one single script? |
| 18:13.12 | kergoth | next, you could possibly ditch the extensive use of shell in favor of 'service' files with specific syntax |
| 18:13.13 | heatsink | not extensible |
| 18:13.14 | heatsink | come one |
| 18:13.17 | heatsink | opps |
| 18:13.18 | heatsink | come on |
| 18:13.21 | kergoth | because how would you install an ipk that adds a service? |
| 18:13.22 | kolla | not like there are a bunch of runlevels to worry about :) |
| 18:13.26 | kergoth | we need flexibility _and_ performance |
| 18:13.31 | kergoth | i wont sacrifice one for the other |
| 18:13.38 | kolla | bah :) |
| 18:13.44 | kergoth | see the 'inits' page on openembedded.org's wiki |
| 18:13.51 | kergoth | i'm reviewing all the non-sysvinit init's for our needs |
| 18:13.56 | kolla | rc.local, done :) |
| 18:14.04 | kergoth | rc.local is a hack that encourages bad behavior |
| 18:14.11 | kergoth | which is why debian doesnt have it |
| 18:14.11 | heatsink | so true |
| 18:14.14 | kolla | anyways, the boot time wont help for opie being sluggish |
| 18:14.18 | heatsink | that's bad |
| 18:14.24 | kergoth | opie startup time can be dealt with partly via prelink |
| 18:14.31 | kergoth | which is also on the todo |
| 18:14.33 | kolla | bad behaviour is easy to fix.. behave well :) |
| 18:14.45 | kolla | I talk about opie sluggishness |
| 18:14.46 | kergoth | theres a difference between being flexible enough to do bad things |
| 18:14.52 | kergoth | and *encouraging* bad behavior |
| 18:14.59 | kergoth | i want the former, not the latter. |
| 18:15.31 | kolla | ah well.. whatever, only thing I really want atm for z is working wlan |
| 18:16.06 | Disconnect | kolla: (re amigas) most of the speed in an amiga is a big huge pile of special-purpose chips. the z (and most modern computers) do a lot more on the cpu than the amiga did. |
| 18:16.19 | kolla | Disconnect: nonsense |
| 18:16.32 | kolla | the custom chips does nothing |
| 18:16.37 | heatsink | oh man |
| 18:16.38 | heatsink | kolla |
| 18:16.43 | heatsink | just shut up |
| 18:16.49 | heatsink | I respect your opinion |
| 18:16.52 | heatsink | but dude |
| 18:17.00 | heatsink | customs chips can do a lot for performance |
| 18:17.01 | kolla | I'm about to leave... no problem :) |
| 18:17.13 | kolla | the thing is that amigaos has a heck lot less overhead |
| 18:17.20 | kolla | and that's the thing |
| 18:17.27 | kolla | ta.. :) |
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| 18:17.38 | Disconnect | kolla: http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/tech68k/amiga.html .. less overhead because the cpu didn't do much of the work. |
| 18:17.55 | Disconnect | heh. "no, thats wrong. I'll prove it by.. leaving!" |
| 18:18.15 | heatsink | ugh |
| 18:18.20 | heatsink | so frustrating |
| 18:19.14 | heatsink | so single minded |
| 18:19.24 | kergoth | ugh, today sucks |
| 18:19.30 | kergoth | first, i come in to an all day meeting |
| 18:19.34 | kergoth | which is always annoying |
| 18:20.13 | kergoth | then oliver fels continues to have his nack to piss me off by saying, well, just about anything at all |
| 18:20.22 | Disconnect | z+wlan == porn during hte meeting ;) |
| 18:20.40 | kergoth | Disconnect: a few of hte devs were playing bzflag in the back of the meeting room |
| 18:20.44 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:21.11 | Disconnect | heh |
| 18:23.11 | heatsink | I feel bad about kolla |
| 18:23.13 | heatsink | hahahaah |
| 18:23.17 | MG_Tak | heatsink: why? |
| 18:23.24 | heatsink | cause I told him to shut up |
| 18:23.36 | MG_Tak | heatsink: so did I, he just didn't notice |
| 18:23.36 | kergoth | dood, if i felt bad for telling people to shut up |
| 18:23.39 | kergoth | i'll feel bad most of the time |
| 18:23.43 | kergoth | s/i'll/i'd/ |
| 18:24.03 | heatsink | poor guy was out of his mind |
| 18:24.24 | kergoth | brb, second trip to starbucks of hte day |
| 18:24.26 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:24.45 | heatsink | well...that might drive someone towards that all money making M$ force |
| 18:24.52 | heatsink | don't want that |
| 18:25.13 | heatsink | we must liberate |
| 18:25.15 | heatsink | these drones |
| 18:25.17 | MG_Tak | heatsink: you shut up |
| 18:25.41 | heatsink | hhaahhaahla |
| 18:25.44 | heatsink | funny huh? |
| 18:26.05 | heatsink | M$ is finally being innovative I give them that |
| 18:26.15 | MG_Tak | heatsink: with what? |
| 18:26.19 | heatsink | C# |
| 18:26.21 | heatsink | .NET |
| 18:26.24 | MG_Tak | ah |
| 18:26.32 | heatsink | Longhorn seems good too |
| 18:26.34 | heatsink | i'm amazed |
| 18:26.47 | heatsink | i'm almost a convert |
| 18:26.56 | heatsink | but hey when you have all of these resources |
| 18:26.59 | heatsink | what can you do but hire the best |
| 18:27.11 | heatsink | and say go do something cool |
| 18:27.13 | MG_Tak | Bad Microsoft |
| 18:27.15 | heatsink | and make it work |
| 18:27.36 | heatsink | I mean granted C# is a Java knock off |
| 18:27.44 | heatsink | so it's not quite original |
| 18:27.57 | heatsink | but it's the way Java should have been implemented |
| 18:28.09 | heatsink | oh well |
| 18:28.14 | heatsink | this is openzaurus |
| 18:28.20 | heatsink | i don't want to sound like amiga boy |
| 18:28.26 | MG_Tak | exa-frickin-tly. |
| 18:29.27 | heatsink | I gotta meeting soon too |
| 18:32.12 | zap-zero | hrm |
| 18:32.21 | zap-zero | i get "check backup battery !" in kernel log |
| 18:32.33 | zap-zero | SL-5000D |
| 18:32.43 | zap-zero | how can i charge it? |
| 18:33.56 | zap-zero | i googled a bit and read something like "charge main battery for 30 hours, it will charge backup battery too" |
| 18:34.04 | zap-zero | is this really necessary? |
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| 19:15.59 | Disconnect | zap-zero: sounds about right. from what I've read anyway. (but I don't know for sure either, not having a 5x00) |
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| 21:39.18 | tux_mike | hey chouimat |
| 21:39.30 | tux_mike | this doesn't add up... |
| 21:40.15 | chouimat | ? |
| 21:46.42 | tux_mike | sco's ddos |
| 21:53.05 | chouimat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:54.17 | zap-zero | but probably not 'free' as in rms' 'free software' :P |
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| 22:00.25 | IRC1000 | ibot Opie |
| 22:00.29 | | it has been said that opie is the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment. More info at http://opie.handhelds.org/ http://www.opie.info/ http://www.opie.us/ or in the #opie channel. Installation instructions at http://opie.handhelds.org/wiki/index.php?OpieInstallation or respect |
| 22:01.10 | duffolonious | is there any image processing software on the zaurus? |
| 22:01.32 | duffolonious | dealing with Edges, Ridges, Corners and Blobs? |
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| 22:54.10 | zap-zero | why the heck is there a syslogd running? |
| 22:59.59 | duffolonious | zap-zero: what are you using? |
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| 23:02.16 | zap-zero | oz 3.3.5 |
| 23:03.10 | duffolonious | I see; I don't know what to tell you. |
| 23:03.21 | duffolonious | I'll see as soon as I flash mine. |
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| 23:23.30 | duffolonious | anybody know any zaurus tools that can partition an mmc card? |
| 23:25.13 | StarScream | fdisk? |
| 23:27.45 | duffolonious | fdisk keeps giving me a bus error. |
| 23:27.47 | duffolonious | fix? |
| 23:36.04 | stigger | what rom |
| 23:38.13 | duffolonious | 3.3.5 |
| 23:38.17 | duffolonious | no |
| 23:38.19 | duffolonious | 3.2 |
| 23:38.55 | duffolonious | mmc card the prob or is fdisk unstable? |
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| 23:40.27 | stigger | I know the old fdisk didnt work there is one on zaurus.com that works |
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| 23:44.19 | stigger | or I'v egot it here http://www.allygray.2y.net/fdisk |
| 23:46.33 | duffolonious | thanks. |
| 23:48.43 | duffolonious | stigger: just copy it over old fdisk? |
| 23:54.32 | stigger | I keep it in ~/bin on my card |
| 23:54.59 | duffolonious | ok |
