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| 09:17.21 | mark-use_ | does any1 got snes-emulator runing? |
| 09:17.24 | mark-use_ | I can't close it, if it is opened once |
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| 11:26.28 | chouimat | morning |
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| 11:32.30 | MK500 | is there a browser available for OZ 3.3.5 that is reasonable fast? |
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| 11:53.44 | mclaren | Hi, just a simple question, anyone knows which script is being launched for OPIE during startup? |
| 11:54.12 | Twiun | /etc/init.d/opie start iirc |
| 11:55.35 | mclaren | thanks for that... a newbie here... From where is this /etc/init.d/opie script being called? |
| 11:56.12 | mclaren | or any good source of info on the bootup procedure of OZ? |
| 11:56.28 | Twiun | oz boots just like any other linux device ;) |
| 11:56.41 | Twiun | there's nothing particularly out of the ordinary |
| 11:59.32 | mclaren | actually, i'm trying to add some modules and device nodes on the rootfs (from the buildroot), but once I tried to do a make image, and flash it, the modules couldn't be loaded |
| 11:59.55 | mclaren | insmod mymodule gives me some stack dump |
| 12:00.30 | Twiun | is insmod built using the kernel headers that match the kernel you're trying to flash? |
| 12:00.47 | MK500 | is there something I have configured wrong if Konqueror takes a minimum of 20 second to show anything after entering a URL for a primarily text site (with graphics turned off)? |
| 12:01.05 | Twiun | MK500: that sounds like a problem with DNS more than anything else |
| 12:02.00 | mclaren | Twiun: yes |
| 12:02.17 | MK500 | twiun: cool, I'll try that now....same DNS I was using on Cacko (with 2 second load times), but maybe some incompatibility |
| 12:02.58 | Twiun | MK500: might be DNS setup on the oz isn't optimal, compare /etc/resolv.conf just in case they have different ordering |
| 12:03.18 | Twiun | mclaren: hmmm, then it shouldn't dump stack... what modules are these? |
| 12:03.24 | MK500 | twium: will do, good idea |
| 12:05.32 | mclaren | Twiun: my own created kernel modules --- The problem is, I tried using the Sharp distribution (kernel+rootfs), and these modules worked fine. But I wanted to have a GUI, since the Sharp distro has none, so I switched to OZ with OPIE |
| 12:06.41 | Twiun | Hang on... Sharp's does have a GUI - it uses Qtopia |
| 12:07.38 | mclaren | I mean their source distribution (since I'm building from sources) doesn't have a GUI due to licensing issues |
| 12:08.33 | mclaren | I need to build from sources, since I'm doing some patches on the kernel |
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| 12:10.14 | mclaren | I'm not very familiar with the buildroot, so I'm not sure why I can't simply add my modules on the rootfs and do a build image |
| 12:10.30 | Twiun | mclaren: with custom modules the problem could be a number of things. that they work with Sharp's is no indication that they are bug free. Sharp'#s kernel is patched with extremely poor code |
| 12:12.06 | Twiun | mclaren: I'm not a kernel hacker though, so I'll have to refer you to the mailing list, or #openembedded (but in 3 to 4 hours) |
| 12:14.04 | mclaren | Twiun: Thanks for the reply... I'm not very familiar with the bootup sequence of linux, especially when we want to have the GUI. Do you know where is /etc/init.d/opie being called? |
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| 12:15.41 | mclaren | I know it all starts on /etc/inittab -- But I can't locate where is this OPIE being called on OZ's inittab |
| 12:17.03 | Twiun | mclaren: best way to find out would be to do an fgrep for lowercase opie in /etc I think |
| 12:17.20 | Twiun | I don't remember that well, I've been out of this type of development for a long while |
| 12:21.55 | MK500 | twium: thanks, it was a DNS issue; and I had to edit /etc/resolv.conf because the GUI wasn't changing it.....I'm getting perfectly acceptable browser performance now :-) |
| 12:25.25 | Twiun | Great :) |
| 12:25.33 | Twiun | MK500: is this with OZ 3.3.5 or 3.2? |
| 12:25.44 | MK500 | 3.3.5 on Husky |
| 12:26.19 | Twiun | ok, could you please send an email to the mailing list reporting the bug that the GUI isn't changing the resolv.conf file? |
| 12:26.31 | Twiun | that way we have a record and can add it to the todo list |
| 12:26.58 | MK500 | sure, it will be an opportunity for me to aquaint myself with the list, as I haven't joined yet (but should have)....will do |
| 12:32.58 | smashie | hmm i also probably found a bug in OZ .. like using the Todo list when I add / edit a task and I want to change the Status of teh Task I click on 'Completed' but teh data windows opens and closes arrapently |
| 12:33.09 | smashie | it works with with the 'Start Date' and 'Due Date' |
| 12:46.33 | mclaren | has anyone tried adding a device node in the rootfs/dev? |
| 12:47.20 | mclaren | and build image? After I've built, my own device node is not there, after i've flashed on the Z |
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| 14:13.50 | smashie | hmm i also probably found a bug in OZ .. like using the Todo list when I add / edit a task and I want to change the Status of teh Task I click on 'Completed' but teh data windows opens and closes arrapently |
| 14:13.54 | smashie | it works with with the 'Start Date' and 'Due Date' |
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| 19:23.52 | notallan | Openzaurus won't let me mount my CF or SD card via the Konsole. It says, "mount: /dev/hda1: unknown device" On the task bar, the icon shows a CF is inserted, "ATA/IDE Fixed Disk." But in File Manager, none of my files show up. How can I fix this? |
| 19:32.38 | zakk | I'm pretty sure CF/SD isn't listed as /dev/hdx |
| 19:37.53 | notallan | Hmm...when I type "mount /mnt/cf" the message "mount: /dev/hda1: unknown device" results |
| 20:00.41 | notallan | :( |
| 20:01.24 | notallan | It also fails to start nearly every interface I try, USB, ethernet, Irda... |
| 20:01.59 | notallan | I can't reflash the stock Sharp ROM because I can't transfer OSPACK to the CF card |
| 20:02.14 | notallan | all in all, this sucks |
| 20:04.36 | notallan | Interestingly, it will reflash the OZ ROM, so there is nothing physically wrong with the CF slot |
| 20:05.07 | notallan | But it reflashes a ROM that apparently doesn't get along with the hardware on a 5500 |
| 20:06.05 | notallan | I guess I'll have to buy a CF reader/writer, erase the initrd.bin and zImage files, copy OSPACK and reflash with my fingers crossed |
| 20:06.58 | notallan | Great, thanks for the help |
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| 20:14.29 | smashie | hmm i also probably found a bug in OZ .. like using the Todo list when I add / edit a task and I want to change the Status of teh Task I click on 'Completed' but teh data windows opens and closes arrapently |
| 20:14.30 | smashie | it works with with the 'Start Date' and 'Due Date' |
| 20:42.21 | trappist | I uninstalled some packages that didn't look like I need em, and now the touchscreen isn't responding well. I tap a button on the keyboard and it repeats until I tap somewhere else. Could I have removed a package that's in charge of dealing with that? |
| 20:42.41 | smashie | reflash? |
| 20:42.49 | trappist | as a last resort |
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| 20:49.38 | trappist | oh boy I upgraded busybox for the rdesktop bug and now nothing works :/ |
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| 20:57.11 | trappist | screw it I'm going to 3.3.5 |
| 21:00.01 | trappist | any gotchas I should know about with 3.3.5? |
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| 21:25.09 | trappist | remind me not to do ipkg remove busybox |
| 21:25.51 | Fifth | trappist: not a good move :) |
| 21:26.07 | trappist | yeah I know that now :) |
| 21:26.50 | trappist | I saw a FAQ entry about vnc not working the way I wanted because of a busybox bug, and I upgraded to 1.x but that screwed it up pretty good |
| 21:27.55 | Fifth | how did you upgrade? from the opie gui or commandline? (download or feed?) |
| 21:30.42 | trappist | download |
| 21:30.48 | trappist | from the commandline |
| 21:31.10 | Fifth | ok |
| 21:31.57 | trappist | I'm liking the look of 3.3.5 |
| 21:32.13 | trappist | if my wifi card works I'm gonna hug somebody |
| 21:32.15 | Fifth | trappist: could have been a version problem. as you now know :) busybox is pretty important to oz, links most of the common linux utils |
| 21:34.42 | trappist | yeah didn't realize that at the time |
| 21:34.52 | Fifth | trappist: is it just vnc or your wifi card in general thats the problem? |
| 21:35.34 | trappist | I was using vnc over usb because the wifi card isn't recognized |
| 21:36.34 | Fifth | trappist: ok, what card you using? |
| 21:36.55 | trappist | dlink 660W |
| 21:38.08 | trappist | it's supposed to be supported either by the prism2 drivers or the orinoco drivers, or both |
| 21:38.15 | trappist | but I get crap from cardctl ident |
| 21:38.33 | trappist | so I'm having trouble with the hostap_cs.conf |
| 21:39.59 | Fifth | trappist: haven't personally used the 660W, i'm on netgear ma701. i did have problems before with a linksys wpc11 on an ipaq with familiar/opie |
| 21:40.22 | Fifth | hadtrappist: had to modify the network.opts etc to get it working |
| 21:42.01 | trappist | Fifth: I'm on my way out the door, lemme write down your nick as somebody helpful and I'll bbl :) |
| 21:42.30 | Fifth | trappist: ok, see you later (btw what rom are u using?) |
| 21:49.35 | _OzzY_ | I guess he's gone |
| 21:49.39 | _OzzY_ | or she's gone |
| 21:51.00 | Fifth | looks that way ... |
| 21:53.55 | _OzzY_ | I have the 660W working on my Z |
| 21:53.58 | _OzzY_ | worked out of the box |
| 21:54.07 | _OzzY_ | although it does keep dropping the connection... :-( |
| 21:56.29 | Fifth | i had that problem with my a linksys pc card (familiar linux/ipaq) had real problems getting it to recognize the card - got it only about 30% of the time :( |
| 21:56.53 | Fifth | never worked out if it was a problem recognising the sleeve or just the card |
| 21:57.43 | Fifth | on the z with a netgear card, the connection does get dropped occassionally, but usually its picked straight back up without interfering with what I'm doing |
| 21:58.22 | _OzzY_ | it doesn't seem as if it is the card being dropped, just the connection to the access point. Its a bit weird. It might be best to just get a new card that is better supported |
| 21:58.38 | Fifth | probably just the brick walls in the house - but strangely doesnt happen with desktop pc's with wifi cards |
| 21:58.51 | _OzzY_ | yeah I've noticed that. Pain in the @rse |
| 21:59.03 | Fifth | lol, yeah |
| 21:59.25 | _OzzY_ | its not a linux thing either coz our mythtv box uses a wireless connection and its miles away from the access point but connects fine |
| 22:01.42 | Fifth | i've actually wondered if its purely a form factor thing (ie the cd cards having smaller aerials) because my desktops can sometimes drop to a weak signal (but still a signal) and carry on. I thought maybe the cf card was losing the connection when the signal was low - just a guess on my own experience |
| 22:01.57 | _OzzY_ | sounds quite plausibe |
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| 22:17.28 | macdigas | Hi, when I try to build OZ using the oe build system it complains about not finding a diff for ncurses. Anybody has a hint how to fix this? |
| 22:24.08 | kergoth | macdigas: bk -r co -q |
| 22:24.44 | macdigas | Do I have to do a "make mrproper" or can I simply do "make" after bk? |
| 22:25.45 | kergoth | make? |
| 22:25.52 | kergoth | oe doesnt use make. buildroot does. |
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| 22:27.14 | _stigger | has anyone got the irk-zaurus ir keyboard method working under 3.3.5 it installs but dosen't show up as a input method |
| 22:27.47 | macdigas | Ok, maybe I have to go back to the docs for a moment |
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| 22:28.03 | gawel | stigger: irda under 5600 is borken. dunno about 5500 or 5000 |
| 22:28.09 | macdigas | I thought it's still something like "make xconfig" and then "make" |
| 22:30.35 | macdigas | Aahhh, well, should have read the "getting started" section, thx |
| 22:49.08 | _stigger | gawel: sorry been busy this is on a 5500 and its not that it doesn't work it dosen't even show up in the list |
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| 23:25.14 | hanno | hi. |
| 23:26.07 | hanno | is there any chance I can speed up the resolution of a OZ bug? http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=756&group_id=43045&atid=434956 was submitted a long time ago and the solution is trivial. |
| 23:26.33 | hanno | is there a better place to request such a change than the bug tracking system on sourceforge? |
| 23:27.09 | kergoth | the bts on sf no longer actually used. we'll be switching to a new system shortly |
| 23:27.34 | hanno | ah. |
| 23:27.54 | kergoth | also, the transition to the new system will affect *everything*. bugs opened against the old stuff will all need to be re-examined |
| 23:28.14 | kergoth | and noone is fixing anything in ithe old system. its deprecated, and going away |
| 23:28.22 | hanno | the bug mentioned above still exists in the current release. |
| 23:28.27 | kergoth | and? |
| 23:28.30 | kergoth | current release is the old system. |
| 23:28.35 | kergoth | the one nobody maintains anymore |
| 23:28.43 | hanno | oh. |
| 23:28.59 | hanno | so 3.3.5 is "the old system"? |
| 23:29.06 | kergoth | 3.3.5 is BUILD BY the old system |
| 23:29.25 | chuckr | kergoth, I have a linking question |
| 23:29.27 | kergoth | this is a build infrastructure thing. there are thousands of changes that have been done to packages during ht rtransition |
| 23:29.41 | kergoth | so many, that any reports against old builds wont be very useful for a while |
| 23:29.52 | kergoth | chuckr: ask it |
| 23:30.23 | chuckr | when you do a nm against a lib on the Z, there's never any symbols, which I can't understand, I thought at least the external symbols would be needed for shared linking, howcome this is so? |
| 23:30.46 | hanno | It's just three lines missing in a configuration file. Where can I check if the new release has this corrected (and if not, where can I report it)? |
| 23:30.48 | smashie | hmm i also probably found a bug in OZ .. like using the Todo list when I add / edit a task and I want to change the Status of teh Task I click on 'Completed' and the data window opens but I cant change the date, if I try it just closes |
| 23:31.01 | kergoth | hanno: the new BUILDSYSTEM (not release) doesnt even *have* hostap_cs |
| 23:31.15 | kergoth | hanno: WHEN i add it, i'll change a ton of shit, no doubt including that. i wont fix it before then. |
| 23:31.30 | kergoth | i dont care how simple it is, development on hte old buildsystem IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN |
| 23:31.40 | gawel | smashie: that sounds like an opie bug, not OZ. |
| 23:31.50 | kergoth | smashie: opie.info/ -> bugs |
| 23:31.54 | smashie | hmm dunno wether it was opie related or not |
| 23:31.59 | kergoth | GUI = opie |
| 23:32.03 | smashie | k i'll commit it |
| 23:32.06 | kergoth | console, drivers, etc = oz |
| 23:32.11 | smashie | kergoth I know |
| 23:32.11 | smashie | ;) |
| 23:32.14 | kergoth | eh? |
| 23:32.22 | kergoth | you "click" on something. guess what, that in volves a gui. |
| 23:32.37 | smashie | well yea |
| 23:32.53 | smashie | but still it was worth asking |
| 23:32.54 | smashie | ;) |
| 23:33.12 | hanno | ah, ok. thanks. sorry if these questions were stupid, but you got to admit, it's not _that_ easy for a newbie to understand the different OZ releases, build systems and how they interact. |
| 23:33.49 | kergoth | hanno: nothing is being done outside the transition. everything else is on hold. |
| 23:34.03 | kergoth | little distro shit here and there isnt going to be touched until the transition is complete |
| 23:34.04 | chuckr | kergoth, I was looking around trying to build something, found I was missing a symbol, so I sent looking like I normally do, using foreach (from tcsh) nm and grep to locate which lib had the symbol, but on the Z, it won't work for me |
| 23:35.13 | gawel | chuck: in buildroot or in oe? |
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| 23:35.41 | chuckr | neither |
| 23:36.00 | kergoth | heh, i'm not in the mood to explain how runtime linking works and why you can strip the symbol table out of binaries today, thanks |
| 23:36.03 | chuckr | I just had the source for Python, and was trying to build it, that's all |
| 23:36.42 | chuckr | I don't want help with this please, I just want the answer to the question so I can get these type problems fixed |
| 23:37.04 | chuckr | don't do something like offer me a precompiled python |
| 23:37.23 | chuckr | I really want to understand linking on the Z |
| 23:37.31 | kergoth | eh? |
| 23:37.45 | gawel | chuck: odds are that you are not the only one who had those problems. try to look up the error on google. 9 out of 10 you'll find the solution on some mailing list that's posted on the web |
| 23:37.52 | chuckr | it's shared libs, right? howcome there are no symbols? |
| 23:38.09 | kergoth | because we STRIPPED THEM |
| 23:38.11 | kergoth | man strip |
| 23:38.12 | kergoth | rtfm. |
| 23:38.35 | chuckr | well, that's obvioius, but I thought that something like dlopen needed the extenal symbols to operate |
| 23:39.11 | kergoth | chuckr: readelf -s [filename] |
| 23:39.18 | kergoth | chuckr: nm doesnt show the information you're trying to find. |
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| 23:40.09 | chuckr | does on linux |
| 23:40.17 | kergoth | huh? |
| 23:40.20 | chuckr | I just tried it, it does on linux |
| 23:40.21 | kergoth | guess what, the z runs linux. |
| 23:40.28 | chuckr | I know that |
| 23:40.33 | kergoth | are you really this dense, or are you just trying to try my patience? |
| 23:40.49 | chuckr | OK, I'll go away, I'm not asking for joketime |
| 23:42.00 | hanno | sorry if this is another newbie question, but is there a /rough/ estimate when semi-stupid end-users such as me can give the new new system a try? |
| 23:43.49 | gawel | hanno: one can try stable builds just fine. just make sure to read all the installation guides etc. unstable/experimental builds are really not meant for endusers |
| 23:43.50 | kergoth | chuckr: iirc, nm shows symbols in ELF section .symtbl, whereas readelf -s also shows section .dynsym. |
| 23:43.56 | kergoth | chuckr: yep, confirmed. |
| 23:44.13 | kergoth | and strip removes the .symtbl section. |
| 23:44.25 | kergoth | all that remains are the symbols necessary for dynamic linking, in .dynsym |
| 23:45.48 | kergoth | get it yet? or do you need me to teach a linking 101 course? |
| 23:45.58 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:46.50 | hanno | gawel: yes, but the current stable release 3.3.5 (if I got that right from kergoth's previous answer) is made from the old build system. |
| 23:47.00 | chuckr | I wasn't trying to bother folks, a method that worked for 8 years on every system I'd ever tried wasn't working, I wasn't trying to lie or deceive., please just let it drop |
| 23:47.17 | mickeyl | just for the records: 3.3.5 is an odd numbered release hence unstable |
| 23:47.47 | hanno | gawel: so, is there a /rough/ estimate when one can try a release made from the new build system? |
| 23:47.54 | MG_Tak | "Sorry, I just turned 19, I'm totally whack." |
| 23:48.34 | gawel | hanno: next release will be built in a new build system called openembedded. it's very much 'work in progress' to migrate from old system, bulidroot, to openembedded. |
| 23:49.00 | hanno | gawel: yeah, so much I understood. |
| 23:49.53 | gawel | hanno: it's hard to say 'when' release with oe will occur. if couple of hundred soon-to-be-unemployed ibm employes chip in and help migrating, it might happen next week. it's highly unlikely that they'll chip in though 8>. |
| 23:50.05 | hanno | gawel: problem is, OZ doesn't support my wlan card in 3.3.5. kergoth says: don't bother sending bug reports, things will be completely different once the transition is over with. |
| 23:50.52 | kergoth | just make sure its recorded somewhere so we know to go back and test for it after the transition is complete |
| 23:51.01 | gawel | hanno: yeah. i think you need a mindset change. you should ask question 'which card works with 3.3.5 on architecture so and so'. 8> |
| 23:51.15 | mickeyl | which zaurus and which wlan card (chipset type) ? |
| 23:51.27 | MG_Tak | the socket low power card works quite fine |
| 23:51.44 | hanno | gawel: the card works, it's a standard chipset. the configuration file is just missing three lines in 3.3.5 |
| 23:52.16 | gawel | hanno: then subscribe to openzaurus-users and ask questions. 8> |
| 23:52.32 | hanno | mickeyl, gawel: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=756&group_id=43045&atid=434956 |
| 23:52.33 | mickeyl | hanno: paste the three lines |
| 23:52.39 | mickeyl | k |
| 23:53.08 | hanno | mickeyl, gawel: but again, kergoth just said a few minutes ago that it isn't worth patching yet, since the next release will use a different wlan driver, anyway. |
| 23:53.21 | kergoth | no, i said the distro would be substantially different |
| 23:53.24 | kergoth | not that the driver would change |
| 23:54.00 | hanno | (sorry kergoth for mixing up your words) mickeyl, gawel: hence my question: can I test the new new release in some way, possibly helping you by letting you know if my card works there or not? |
| 23:54.14 | kergoth | new new release? |
| 23:54.25 | hanno | yeah, the release using the new build system. |
| 23:54.42 | MG_Tak | reading this conversation's giving me a headache.. |
| 23:54.43 | kergoth | 3.5.1 doesnt even boot on a zaurus without massaging. |
| 23:54.50 | kergoth | no, you cant test anything |
| 23:54.58 | hanno | ouch. |
| 23:55.16 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:55.18 | MG_Tak | mickeyl: you too? |
| 23:55.23 | mickeyl | :D |
| 23:55.25 | kergoth | massaging 3.5.1, not the Z |
| 23:55.29 | mickeyl | aah |
| 23:55.34 | mickeyl | that explains :) |
| 23:55.38 | MG_Tak | My mind was soooo going down that road and thinking "Well that picture makes no sense." |
| 23:55.39 | gawel | *heh* |
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