| 00:07.21 | hanno | thanks, everyone. |
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| 00:38.39 | tanq | soo |
| 00:38.42 | tanq | i need vmware |
| 00:38.44 | tanq | heh. |
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| 01:26.51 | kergoth | anyone other than me want to start enhancing the package granularity in oe? |
| 01:26.51 | kergoth | e.g. splitting openssh into server, client, etc |
| 01:28.51 | George`ZZzz | kergoth: is it easy? |
| 01:30.35 | George`ZZzz | kergoth: ping? |
| 01:30.47 | kergoth | hmmmm? |
| 01:30.53 | George`ZZzz | kergoth: is it easy? |
| 01:30.55 | kergoth | the new system is real easy, read the quickstart page on teh wiki |
| 01:31.09 | George`ZZzz | kergoth: can you email me what needs doing (going to sleep for real now) |
| 01:31.23 | George`ZZzz | kergoth: and point me to any relevant docs in the email.. I'll try to do it tomorrow |
| 01:31.31 | kergoth | email addy? |
| 01:31.38 | George`ZZzz | kergoth: george.wright@kdemail.net |
| 01:31.51 | kergoth | k |
| 01:32.05 | George`ZZzz | I'd might as well get back into the swing of things :) |
| 01:32.13 | George`ZZzz | Although my 5000D wore out |
| 01:32.28 | kergoth | all my z's just collect dust nowadays |
| 01:32.29 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:32.36 | George`ZZzz | the copper pads which connect the on/off, updownleftright buttons etc to the main PCB wore down :D |
| 01:32.42 | kergoth | hah |
| 01:33.03 | George`ZZzz | "fixed" it by colouring in the pad with a pencil (graphite conducts :D ) |
| 01:33.33 | George`ZZzz | need to buy some conductive pen soon though to sort it out better... silver should do a lot better than graphite :D |
| 01:33.36 | George`ZZzz | anyway, nite |
| 01:33.44 | George`ZZzz | and I really need to stop :D'ing |
| 01:33.46 | kergoth | night |
| 01:34.16 | George`ZZzz | kergoth: I'll do my best to attempt that stuff tomorrow |
| 01:34.25 | George`ZZzz | kergoth: although I'm going into London in the afternoon |
| 01:34.38 | George`ZZzz | kergoth: and I don't suppose it'll matter that I'm on PowerPC? |
| 01:35.00 | tanq | sooooo |
| 01:35.09 | tanq | i think we need to fix the 5600 bugs first |
| 01:35.10 | tanq | =0 |
| 01:35.11 | kergoth | shouldnt |
| 01:35.12 | tanq | hehe |
| 01:35.36 | George`ZZzz | kergoth: excellent |
| 01:35.39 | George`ZZzz | ok, I'm gone |
| 01:36.03 | tanq | ive been using windows as a desktop since late august.. |
| 01:36.11 | tanq | i would have to boot into linux |
| 01:36.19 | tanq | or.... |
| 01:36.28 | tanq | hey have you done much dev under cygwin |
| 01:36.54 | tanq | because i want to fix these 5600 bugs pretty bad |
| 01:38.00 | kergoth | i've built part of OE under cygwin in the past |
| 01:38.10 | kergoth | havent had time to try it recently, probably a small bug here or there to fix |
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| 02:08.30 | Marsupilami23 | Why is it when I try to play opieplayer2 from the command line, its almost like there is no file to run. |
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| 03:30.59 | chouimat|Zzzzzz | night |
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| 04:13.43 | trappist | ok IIRC in 3.2 there was a gui for setting up WAP for wlan0, but it doesn't seem to be here in 3.3.5. Do I need to edit a config file manually, or run a cli config tool? |
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| 04:27.06 | omin0us | hey everyone |
| 04:27.07 | trappist | ok with iwconfig wlan0 key $KEY I get SET failed on device wlan0 ; Operation not supported |
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| 04:40.56 | cipher | does OZ work with the 5600 models? |
| 04:41.18 | treke|ho1e | yes |
| 04:41.42 | cipher | oh goodie, anything different i need to do for the 5600? |
| 04:41.55 | treke|ho1e | `no clue |
| 04:42.04 | cipher | :\ |
| 04:42.10 | cipher | how do you know it does work? |
| 04:42.39 | treke|ho1e | because there are images for it and someone has gotten it working? |
| 04:42.41 | cipher | nvm, i see they have it on their web server, in a dir. |
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| 05:24.55 | trappist | ok wifi stuff is worked out, but 3.3.5 doesn't seem to honor my power settings. It suspends even in the cradle, when I definitely told it not to do that. |
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| 05:36.58 | trappist | never mind on that, the ac cable was still unplugged from the cradle from when I flashed |
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| 06:31.57 | davisfactor | hwo do i resolve the symlink errors i get everytime i install a software package? should i link my sd card to root or not ... or does this have any effect? |
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| 06:58.43 | pole | is there a way to make ipkg-link over-write the previous links? |
| 06:59.00 | pole | the programs were installed at another destination and now i moved them |
| 06:59.13 | pole | and now it wont link them because the symbolic links already exist |
| 07:00.16 | pole | ipkg-link --help does not provide me with much info |
| 07:00.44 | davisfactor | hmm .. never heard of ipkg-link |
| 07:01.23 | pole | doih |
| 07:01.29 | pole | how did you install software on your sd card? |
| 07:01.30 | davisfactor | maybe you can do a force-reinstall |
| 07:01.37 | pole | no |
| 07:01.44 | pole | it isnt that kind of problem |
| 07:01.47 | davisfactor | i selected sd as the install to, in the package menu |
| 07:02.15 | davisfactor | im trying to figure out how to get past a ton of symlink errors when i install packages |
| 07:02.15 | pole | oh, using the gui |
| 07:02.20 | davisfactor | yea |
| 07:02.54 | davisfactor | to do it via the command line is something like ipkg install -V 2 -d sd packagename |
| 07:03.08 | pole | is that so... |
| 07:04.25 | mclaren | hi, i'm trying to create a .oe for building the kernel. Does anyone of you know where I can get the kernel patches for poodle? |
| 07:04.42 | davisfactor | no idea |
| 07:21.46 | davisfactor | well, i think i fixed my issue with the symlinks on the sd card ... it was formatted as vfat which doesn't support symlinks .. i just reformatted at ext2 (tried ext3 first but 3.3.4 doesnt' support it) |
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| 07:47.25 | funkyjoe | good morning. |
| 07:48.33 | funkyjoe | compiling busybox in buildroot-oz hangs with the following error ".config:256: trying to assign nonexistent symbol CONFIG_DUTMP" any ideas? |
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| 08:06.40 | Shtoink | evening... |
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| 08:10.16 | Wembly | kergoth still around? |
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| 09:35.30 | blitzrage | My Zaurus was stolen from work tonight... |
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| 12:05.43 | qfh | some days ago i flashed my ipaq 3870 with OZ 3.3.5. shouldn't have done that, because sound isn't working and the iPAQ locks up very often (but not always) when i try to do usb networking with my desktop (2.6.0-test9-mm kernel). any ideas? |
| 12:08.20 | mickeyl | two options: go back to familiar or try to look into it and debug |
| 12:09.30 | George- | heya mickeyl |
| 12:09.36 | George- | still haven't installed OZ 3.3.5 :) |
| 12:10.32 | mickeyl | George-: don't do it ;) |
| 12:10.38 | mickeyl | George-: go to 3.3.6-pre0 |
| 12:10.46 | mickeyl | George-: which is much more stable due to gcc3 |
| 12:10.49 | mickeyl | (and faster) |
| 12:10.51 | George- | wahoo |
| 12:10.52 | George- | :D |
| 12:10.53 | George- | hehe |
| 12:10.59 | George- | I'm still on my custom hacked kernel |
| 12:11.06 | mickeyl | cool |
| 12:11.07 | mickeyl | which features? |
| 12:11.10 | George- | which is basically the same as your anyway :) |
| 12:11.15 | mickeyl | ah hehe |
| 12:11.20 | George- | no, it's the 2.4.18 kernel that I got working months ago |
| 12:11.25 | George- | thanks to cacko |
| 12:11.37 | George- | those guys do a LOT of work and yet seem to have no recognition |
| 12:11.46 | mickeyl | right |
| 12:11.49 | mickeyl | sucky situation |
| 12:12.13 | George- | blast, my iPod's sat in the Netherlands awaiting a part |
| 12:12.26 | George- | I'll prolly not get it back before xmas :( |
| 12:13.08 | mickeyl | d'oh. what's broken? |
| 12:13.47 | George- | the front casing liked to shove itself in the metal backing causing the metal backing to bend out and leave the inside exposed |
| 12:13.51 | George- | no idea why |
| 12:14.24 | George- | I zerod out the disc before I sent it off :D |
| 12:15.22 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 12:16.05 | George- | at least they've agreed to repair it though |
| 12:16.12 | George- | they were a bit concerned it could be accidental damage |
| 12:16.32 | George- | but I pointed out to them that it had almost no scratches on it, no dents whatsoever and it was in excellent condition ;) |
| 12:16.48 | mickeyl | so they won't charge? |
| 12:16.53 | George- | no they won't |
| 12:16.56 | George- | in warranty repair |
| 12:19.17 | mickeyl | good |
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| 12:20.06 | George- | so what's the deal with OZ 3.3.6-pre0? |
| 12:21.32 | mickeyl | the accurate battery patch reporting is in |
| 12:21.37 | mickeyl | (wasn't in 3.3.5) |
| 12:21.41 | mickeyl | and it has been built with gcc3 |
| 12:21.43 | mickeyl | that's all |
| 12:22.01 | mickeyl | but it seems much more stable especially regarding hotplug and stuff |
| 12:22.12 | George- | mickeyl: suspend/resume? |
| 12:22.32 | mickeyl | suspend is slow (~5 seconds), but therefore always working - never hanging. |
| 12:22.53 | mickeyl | and if you remove usb, it gets fast again |
| 12:23.06 | George- | how odd |
| 12:23.09 | mickeyl | it's just the usbdmonitor module hanging and needing time |
| 12:23.42 | mickeyl | maybe just a slight kernel patch to not execute the hotplug script for usb. but i'm not interested in usb, so... i won't fix |
| 12:24.03 | George- | haha |
| 12:25.10 | mickeyl | yeah, that's open source. every should fix the issues he personally is affected. that's the best motivation. |
| 12:26.01 | mickeyl | my grammar sucks today |
| 12:26.07 | mickeyl | but i think you got the idea ;) |
| 12:26.09 | George- | yes, well, guess why I got 2.4.18 working |
| 12:26.10 | George- | :P |
| 12:26.16 | mickeyl | hehe, yeah |
| 12:28.00 | _4cheeze_ | mickeyl, is it possible to upgrade to 3.3.6-pre0 without reflashing? |
| 12:28.22 | _4cheeze_ | (I'm on 3.3.5 ATM) |
| 12:29.52 | mickeyl | _4cheeze_: no way. everything is compiled with another compiler - an upgrade will fail horribly |
| 12:30.33 | George- | mickeyl: will gcc 2.9x apps still run on 3.3.6-pre0? |
| 12:30.52 | George- | ie - I want to be thoroughly illegal and run the commercial apps i purchased on it :) |
| 12:31.15 | George- | so sue me :) |
| 12:31.38 | _4cheeze_ | mickeyl, debian can manage it ;-) |
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| 12:35.35 | mickeyl | _4cheeze_: well... try it |
| 12:35.50 | _4cheeze_ | well |
| 12:35.53 | mickeyl | George-: mithro-- has compat libs |
| 12:35.54 | _4cheeze_ | maybe I'll wait ;-) |
| 12:36.04 | mickeyl | wait for what? |
| 12:40.29 | _4cheeze_ | someone else to try it ;-) |
| 12:40.39 | mickeyl | aah hehe |
| 12:40.43 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 12:40.47 | mickeyl | let someone else be the guinea pig |
| 12:40.49 | _4cheeze_ | I've only had my Z for 4 days and I need to get some real work out of it |
| 12:40.57 | _4cheeze_ | rather than just keep on flashing it |
| 12:41.33 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 12:41.39 | _4cheeze_ | what kind of battery life do people get on a 5500 BTW? |
| 12:41.39 | mickeyl | using a PDA as opposed to developing stuff on it? |
| 12:41.41 | mickeyl | what a concept... |
| 12:41.42 | mickeyl | :D |
| 12:41.44 | _4cheeze_ | :-) |
| 12:41.50 | mickeyl | with WLAN 1 hour |
| 12:41.50 | _4cheeze_ | well in time I may do both |
| 12:41.53 | _4cheeze_ | yeah |
| 12:41.53 | mickeyl | without ~ 2 |
| 12:41.57 | _4cheeze_ | that's what I get |
| 12:42.01 | _4cheeze_ | it needs more juice |
| 12:42.07 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 12:42.10 | mickeyl | 2.6 |
| 12:42.20 | mickeyl | kernel 2.6 and a better device management will improve that |
| 12:43.08 | _4cheeze_ | aha |
| 12:43.18 | _4cheeze_ | are there better batteries available? |
| 12:43.25 | _4cheeze_ | or other alternatives? |
| 12:44.06 | mickeyl | in germany they sell some external batteries which you can attach - they act as a charging device and can recharge your Z around 4 times |
| 12:44.15 | _4cheeze_ | aha |
| 12:44.21 | George- | mickeyl: I don't even get 1 hour without wlan or anything :) |
| 12:44.27 | _4cheeze_ | are they rechargeable themselves? |
| 12:44.31 | mickeyl | _4cheeze_: yeah |
| 12:44.37 | _4cheeze_ | I got something that might be one of those in the box with it |
| 12:44.38 | mickeyl | George-: sounds like you need a new battery |
| 12:44.38 | George- | mickeyl: then again, I have both a CF and SD in there (but I don't think it would affect it too much) |
| 12:44.44 | George- | mickeyl: yes, well |
| 12:44.49 | George- | mickeyl: I'm not buying another one :) |
| 12:44.55 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 12:45.04 | George- | mickeyl: a couple of powerbooks should do me... :D |
| 12:45.07 | George- | mickeyl: and an iPod |
| 12:45.18 | mickeyl | c760/c860 is nice... lasts 5 hours here |
| 12:45.25 | George- | mickeyl: bastard. |
| 12:45.42 | mickeyl | well... i only have a c750... the 760 was on loan :( |
| 12:45.44 | mickeyl | ;) |
| 12:45.51 | George- | argh, $50 for a battery |
| 12:45.56 | George- | I'd might as well get a new zaurus :D |
| 12:46.01 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 12:46.55 | George- | grr, 2.6.0 still compiling... |
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| 12:55.42 | _4cheeze_ | mickeyl, lucky sod |
| 12:56.08 | _4cheeze_ | I got the 5500 to see if I like it enough to get the c860 sometime |
| 12:56.26 | _4cheeze_ | if you get 5 hours then I already like it |
| 12:56.47 | mickeyl | i don't like that you still need CF for adding connectivity though |
| 12:56.54 | _4cheeze_ | aha |
| 12:56.55 | mickeyl | i won't buy another PDA without WLAN |
| 12:57.00 | _4cheeze_ | yeah |
| 12:57.13 | _4cheeze_ | they don't have bluetooth either? |
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| 12:57.16 | mickeyl | no |
| 12:57.22 | _4cheeze_ | hmm |
| 12:57.40 | mickeyl | the 6000 comes as WLAN+BT models, but i prefer clamshell... so i'll wait until a Cxxx comes with WLAN+BT. |
| 13:13.21 | _4cheeze_ | yeah, I wish the 5500 had a proper cover |
| 13:13.29 | _4cheeze_ | I've got a leather one, but its not the same |
| 13:13.38 | _4cheeze_ | how big is the Cxxx ? |
| 13:14.32 | George- | wahoo |
| 13:14.36 | George- | Linux is working on my powerbook |
| 13:14.37 | George- | yippee |
| 13:16.35 | _4cheeze_ | George-, which distro? |
| 13:16.56 | Twiun | _4cheeze_: bit bigger than the 5x00 series I believe |
| 13:17.07 | _4cheeze_ | ahh well |
| 13:17.10 | _4cheeze_ | size isn't everything |
| 13:17.17 | _4cheeze_ | they should really learn to make them smaller though ;-) |
| 13:18.38 | Twiun | definately |
| 13:18.46 | Twiun | make em as big as an mp3 player... |
| 13:18.52 | Twiun | make the screen an accessory |
| 13:18.58 | _4cheeze_ | well |
| 13:19.00 | _4cheeze_ | maybe not that |
| 13:19.05 | _4cheeze_ | as big as a Clie would be nice |
| 13:19.33 | Twiun | as thin as a clie would be nice |
| 13:19.38 | _4cheeze_ | yes |
| 13:19.43 | Twiun | the 5000d is most definately chunky |
| 13:19.47 | _4cheeze_ | although fitting a CF in it would be a problem then |
| 13:21.14 | _4cheeze_ | ok well this power gizmo I have seems to be called a "power cartridge for charger" |
| 13:21.24 | _4cheeze_ | it's in a sealed foil package |
| 13:21.39 | Twiun | sounds like a fuel cell |
| 13:22.48 | _4cheeze_ | aha |
| 13:23.00 | _4cheeze_ | it has another "reclosable pouch" with it |
| 13:23.12 | _4cheeze_ | that has the url www.electric-fuel.com |
| 13:23.28 | Twiun | good guess :) |
| 13:24.04 | Twiun | about getting a CF card into a clie-thin pda... not that hard I'd think, just don't make the socket inline with the pda |
| 13:24.14 | Twiun | give it a small angle |
| 13:24.42 | _4cheeze_ | hmm maybe |
| 13:25.13 | _4cheeze_ | I think CF is one of the killer things about the Z |
| 13:25.28 | _4cheeze_ | there's so much stuff avaialble for it and so cheap |
| 13:25.47 | _4cheeze_ | expansion in general is very good on the Z |
| 13:26.01 | _4cheeze_ | compared with anything else I can think of |
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| 13:51.33 | Zaurino | so, now 3.3.5 works on 5600 !?!? |
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| 14:01.13 | George- | _4cheeze_: linu |
| 14:01.15 | George- | blah |
| 14:01.16 | George- | woops |
| 14:01.18 | George- | _4cheeze_: gentoo |
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| 15:04.03 | chayim | anybody know about the following on OZ 3.3.5 (gonna upgrade, and I've seen nothing on the mailing lists, release notes) |
| 15:04.07 | chayim | 1) does sd work |
| 15:04.15 | chayim | 2) do the bluetooth ipkgs work |
| 15:04.22 | chayim | 3) can it still sync with qtopia desktop? |
| 15:05.22 | dade | i just tried 3.3.5 on 5600 |
| 15:05.28 | dade | there are many problems |
| 15:05.42 | chayim | oh =(... what are they (I've got a 5000d) |
| 15:05.57 | dade | first the screen running opie, is overwhelmed by console text |
| 15:06.04 | dade | !@#[] |
| 15:06.13 | gawel | which is fixable |
| 15:06.32 | chayim | gawel : how? turn on syslog or edit the opie init script? |
| 15:06.55 | gawel | all code experimental stuff dumps kernel log messages to tty1 |
| 15:07.46 | chayim | dade : does sd work? |
| 15:08.15 | dade | i don't have sd |
| 15:08.23 | dade | and no bluetooth |
| 15:08.26 | chayim | ah... gawel any shot you know? |
| 15:08.37 | dade | someone told me that bluetooth is not working |
| 15:09.02 | gawel | echo 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/printk |
| 15:09.29 | gawel | so, open your konsole and type in the above |
| 15:10.08 | gawel | chayim: no idea about bluetooth. sd should be working |
| 15:10.34 | chayim | gawel : any idea about #3? I can live without #2 since it never worked in 3.2 anyways. |
| 15:11.53 | gawel | chayim: do explore openzaurus-users list. i seem to remember folks asking similar questions and getting answers there. 8> |
| 15:12.08 | chayim | gawel : I've been reading there all morning but can't seem to find it. |
| 15:12.12 | gawel | chayim: i think it works. it certainly works on my poodle (5600 |
| 15:12.32 | chayim | gawel : if it works on the poodle, I'll bet it works on my 5000d... thanks for the info! |
| 15:13.07 | gawel | chayim: as always: make sure your data is backed up & you have a way to reflash to previous config |
| 15:13.20 | gawel | s/config/rom/ |
| 15:13.38 | chayim | gawel : I keep everything on sd (just in case), and plan on backing out to 3.2 if I need to (I store all roms on my hd) |
| 15:14.00 | gawel | good idea |
| 15:14.14 | chayim | gawel : thanks... I can make them available online if anyone needs them. |
| 15:14.41 | _4cheeze_ | chayim, I have 3.3.5 working OK on a 5500 |
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| 15:14.52 | chayim | _4cheeze_ : ah! Can you answer my 3 questions? |
| 15:14.58 | johncd | where can I get thekompany 860 rom? |
| 15:15.02 | _4cheeze_ | SD works, sync works, don't know about BT |
| 15:15.11 | chayim | _4cheeze_ : good enough for me =) |
| 15:15.27 | chayim | johncd : have you tried the zaurus dev site? there are a bunch of thekompany roms there |
| 15:15.48 | dade | echo 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/printk this was for me ? |
| 15:16.06 | chayim | dade : yep... in fact maybe change the opie init script to do that before launching opie |
| 15:16.17 | johncd | chayim - cool thanks. I'm a newbie, is there a guide that tells me everything in order to convert my 860 from jap to english? |
| 15:16.20 | dade | tnx |
| 15:16.34 | chayim | johncd : hold on, I've got a link somewhere |
| 15:17.07 | dade | fontsize are too big, many windows does not fit in the screen, isn't it ? |
| 15:17.15 | chayim | johncd: http://externe.net/zaurus/forum/viewtopic.php?t=483 |
| 15:17.30 | gawel | dade: change font size in preferences |
| 15:17.37 | chayim | johncd :http://externe.net/zaurus/forum/viewtopic.php?t=325 |
| 15:18.05 | dade | !@#[ i feel stupid |
| 15:18.16 | gawel | dade: eh, no worries |
| 15:18.25 | johncd | chayim - this is 760, will this work for 860? |
| 15:18.40 | chayim | johncd : it should work... after all it's still linux |
| 15:18.45 | chayim | johncd : worst case you can flash back right? |
| 15:18.56 | dade | ahah ok |
| 15:19.01 | johncd | chayim - i dont even know how to do that :( |
| 15:19.12 | dade | so, it is slow powering off |
| 15:19.19 | chayim | johncd : ah... it should be in the manual somewhere |
| 15:19.36 | chayim | dade : is this a 3.3.5 issue or specific to yours? |
| 15:19.40 | gawel | dade: it's certainly no spring chicken going into suspend mode |
| 15:19.58 | johncd | chayim - i cant read a japanese manual |
| 15:20.33 | chayim | johncd : =) sorry, but I only know the 5x00 flash not the c-xxx |
| 15:20.50 | johncd | chayim - thank you |
| 15:21.10 | chayim | johncd : if you've got a website with instructions, try running it through babelfish |
| 15:21.14 | dade | no but sharp and tck rom are much faster suspending |
| 15:21.43 | johncd | chayim - ok thanks |
| 15:25.07 | dade | do you know any bluetooth package working on 3.2 and zaurus 5500 ? |
| 15:28.25 | chayim | dade: nothing ever worked for me on my 3.2 OZ... almost everything always said b/c the kernel was too old there were issues. |
| 15:29.16 | Pendalar | Seti@Home: 1550 Data Units Completed. Total Computer Time: 19167 hr 23 min 28.7 sec ... where the crap is ET? |
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| 15:36.17 | dade | an applicatin feed for openzaurus ? |
| 15:36.47 | Pendalar | was at openzaurus.org but since things are changing over you might have to wait |
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| 15:48.55 | dade | i need something like irssi and mplayer |
| 15:48.59 | dade | !@#[] |
| 15:49.36 | chayim | dade : if you pass me a box to scp into I can send you mplayer |
| 15:50.03 | dade | http://mulesex.port5.com/files/irssi-text_0.8.4-3_arm.ipk |
| 15:50.25 | dade | i can take it from zaurus software archive |
| 15:51.57 | Pendalar | it's easier to go to the main website and scroll down |
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| 15:52.03 | Pendalar | on that one iirc |
| 15:54.43 | dade` | an open zaurus feed mirror ? |
| 15:55.17 | chayim | what's irssi? |
| 15:55.32 | Pendalar | irc client |
| 15:55.55 | chayim | ah... I use opieirc |
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| 15:56.11 | dade` | opieric chrashes on my psybnc |
| 15:56.17 | chayim | psybnc? |
| 15:57.20 | duffolonious | answer the man! |
| 15:58.19 | dade` | it is ok if i use stable packages on testing ? |
| 15:58.45 | Pendalar | if it doesn't work, uninstall and try a different feed |
| 15:58.54 | dade` | hm, also the stable feed is not working |
| 15:59.03 | Pendalar | it's not likely you aren't going to blow up your PDA if you use something from the unstable feed |
| 15:59.30 | chayim | Pendalar : actually it depends on the software, I run lots of stuff from unstable, with most of my stuff from stable. |
| 15:59.44 | Pendalar | I run all from unstable |
| 15:59.55 | Pendalar | very rarely has it not worked out well |
| 16:00.08 | Pendalar | OZ's unstable isn't as unstable as say an unstable at kernel.org |
| 16:00.11 | duffolonious | speaking of that, is there any driver support for a cf usb host controller? |
| 16:00.15 | Pendalar | they just reserve the right for it to not work |
| 16:00.32 | Pendalar | there isn't a ported one but the company will provide you with the src to cross compile it |
| 16:00.54 | duffolonious | Pendalar: answering my question? |
| 16:01.03 | Pendalar | yes |
| 16:01.17 | duffolonious | thanks, and that shouldn't be a problem. |
| 16:01.25 | Pendalar | The chip in the CFU1U is Cypress SL811HS. |
| 16:01.26 | Pendalar | The driver for Linux is available on their Web site, www.cypress.com. |
| 16:01.26 | Pendalar | If the code is added PCMCIA function, I think you can use the CFU1U on Linux. |
| 16:01.26 | chayim | I'd like to give several million awesome points to the OZ developers for getting rid of the docs tab. you guys rock! |
| 16:01.43 | duffolonious | I'm just trying to find a way to have a digital camera communicate with a zaurus. |
| 16:02.10 | chayim | duffolonious : I swap the cf card into my z. |
| 16:02.26 | duffolonious | yeah, but I'm trying to elminate the middle man. |
| 16:02.29 | duffolonious | chayim |
| 16:02.30 | dade` | a good irc client that is not opie irc ? |
| 16:02.44 | chayim | dade` : Bitchx, I'm using it right now. |
| 16:02.59 | dade` | from wich feed ? |
| 16:03.06 | Pendalar | dade for gui or console |
| 16:03.17 | chayim | never used it on the Z... only on my desktop. you'd need to compile it. |
| 16:03.24 | dade` | !@#[] |
| 16:03.32 | dade` | for gui maybe better |
| 16:04.24 | Pendalar | then you got gaim, ZIC, CenterICQ, and opieirc for gui |
| 16:04.34 | Pendalar | ZIC is abandoned, don't mess with it |
| 16:04.42 | Pendalar | opieirc is 10x ZIC |
| 16:04.52 | Pendalar | I haven't tried CenterICQ or gaim for IRC |
| 16:05.00 | Pendalar | I have used gaim but not the IRC stuffs |
| 16:05.43 | Pendalar | I assume though it'd be pretty complete since it's based on the offical gaim |
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| 16:05.58 | Pendalar | oh and tkcJabber |
| 16:06.02 | dade` | gaim is not ok for irc |
| 16:06.06 | Pendalar | shows to support IRC but I haven't tried it |
| 16:06.25 | chayim | anybody know how to replace the background image in oz 3.3.5? In fact I liked the 3.2 better, but I'd just like to rid myself of it for now. |
| 16:07.23 | Pendalar | I assume the same way as 3.2 |
| 16:07.35 | Pendalar | go to settings.. something probably launcher |
| 16:07.40 | Pendalar | I don't have the device on my atm |
| 16:07.48 | Pendalar | launcher or appearance anyways |
| 16:08.03 | Pendalar | then to the tab which holds the individual tabs for the launcher |
| 16:08.08 | Pendalar | and have at it |
| 16:08.15 | chayim | must be launcher since I've already been through appearance. |
| 16:08.42 | Pendalar | I believe it is |
| 16:09.40 | Pendalar | oh well I'm off |
| 16:09.43 | chayim | nope not in laumncher |
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| 16:10.57 | trappist | The Sharp rom could play divx files out of the box. opie-mediaplayer2 won't, and I haven't gotten mplayer working right. What are you guys using to play divx? |
| 16:11.51 | vvff | Which Z? |
| 16:12.03 | trappist | 5500 with 3.3.5 |
| 16:12.52 | _4cheeze_ | I think gaim would work better if it didn't keep segfaulting :-) |
| 16:12.58 | vvff | Hmm... I've always used mplayer, myself. |
| 16:13.33 | trappist | mplayer gives every indication of working until it gives me "QPaintDevice: Must construct a QApplication before a QPaintDevice", which makes me think it's either a dev issue that's beyond my skill to fix, or I've got the wrong ipk |
| 16:13.48 | vvff | Hmm... |
| 16:13.51 | vvff | Well, I wouldn't know. |
| 16:14.04 | trappist | mplayer isn't in the feed tree |
| 16:14.26 | trappist | I think I got it from mplayerhq |
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| 17:45.56 | davisfactor | whever i do a find, it hangs on /proc/11/fd: no such file or directory |
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| 17:53.03 | trappist | davisfactor: are you sure it's hanging there? |
| 17:53.17 | trappist | davisfactor: my guess is it spews that out and keeps looking |
| 17:57.44 | davisfactor | trappist: perhaps ... |
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| 17:58.41 | davisfactor | i just installed xmms, via the command line .. i can't launch it from the command line now .. i installed it earlier before a flash from the gui and it created an icon and launched (just didn't play mp3s) |
| 17:59.08 | davisfactor | i also juts fixed the libmikmod libraries ... what's the command to run to refresh the library cache? |
| 18:00.37 | mickeyl | ldconfig |
| 18:00.57 | davisfactor | hmm .. i dont have one of those |
| 18:04.24 | mickeyl | ipkg install libc6-utils |
| 18:05.28 | davisfactor | i dont have that package in any of my feeds |
| 18:07.01 | mickeyl | well... out of ideas then |
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| 18:07.14 | davisfactor | im looking for a feed now .. thanks |
| 18:07.27 | _4cheeze_ | has anyone used pocketpc and wants to compare it to openzaurus? |
| 18:07.36 | _4cheeze_ | :-) |
| 18:07.43 | davisfactor | i might as well reflash and start over ... xmms at least started before i flashed |
| 18:23.35 | mickeyl | i have used pocketpc... for about 30 minutes, then my ipaq had familiar on it :D |
| 18:36.47 | dade` | stasera ho stanco |
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| 18:50.11 | duffolonious | what is the best way (for data integrity) to copy files to the zaurus? Or does it matter? I've been using wget. |
| 18:50.38 | mickeyl | wget is ok |
| 18:50.43 | mickeyl | scp also |
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| 19:03.52 | duffolonious | ok, thanks. |
| 19:04.14 | duffolonious | because (and I've posted on OZ users) I can't flash my 5500. |
| 19:04.27 | duffolonious | I also md5sum'med the files |
| 19:04.31 | duffolonious | they're fine. |
| 19:04.49 | duffolonious | I've tried 3 cf cards (sandisk, pny, viking) |
| 19:05.11 | duffolonious | I put "initrd.bin" and "zImage" in the root directory of the cards. |
| 19:05.29 | kergoth | whats the behavior? |
| 19:05.43 | duffolonious | it just shuts off. |
| 19:05.48 | kergoth | .. |
| 19:05.50 | kergoth | huh? |
| 19:06.08 | kergoth | its off as soon as you pulled the battery cover |
| 19:06.16 | duffolonious | If I do "D+P+FULL RESET" then CF update it just shuts off and does nothing. |
| 19:06.21 | kergoth | uh |
| 19:06.22 | duffolonious | no when flashing. |
| 19:06.24 | kergoth | 5500 doesnt use d+p |
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| 19:06.27 | kergoth | rtfm. |
| 19:06.36 | duffolonious | alright there guy. |
| 19:06.43 | kergoth | c+d+fullreset |
| 19:06.44 | duffolonious | D+P + FULL RESET |
| 19:06.45 | kergoth | NOT d+p |
| 19:06.47 | duffolonious | I know |
| 19:06.47 | kergoth | wrong. |
| 19:07.08 | duffolonious | but isn't the bios "CF UPDATE" the same thing. |
| 19:07.10 | duffolonious | ? |
| 19:07.26 | kergoth | no. |
| 19:07.29 | duffolonious | ok |
| 19:07.37 | kergoth | they're different procedures with different requirements |
| 19:07.39 | duffolonious | ok |
| 19:07.41 | kergoth | try following the instructions on our site |
| 19:07.45 | kergoth | they were written for a reason |
| 19:07.45 | duffolonious | I have. |
| 19:07.57 | duffolonious | I get no response. |
| 19:08.07 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:08.11 | kergoth | watch the leds. |
| 19:08.20 | kergoth | when you tap full reset withi c+d held, they will change state. |
| 19:08.27 | kergoth | *how* they change is the behavior i need to know. |
| 19:08.38 | duffolonious | ok they start off. |
| 19:08.49 | duffolonious | I press "C+D+FULL RESET" |
| 19:08.55 | duffolonious | and no lights turn on. |
| 19:09.05 | duffolonious | sometimes I get the battery light... |
| 19:09.19 | duffolonious | but I'm guessing that is only when I press the buttons incorrectly. |
| 19:09.44 | kergoth | battery light is irrelevent |
| 19:09.49 | kergoth | its only affected by charge state |
| 19:09.59 | kergoth | mail is what turns on when the cf updater runs |
| 19:10.03 | duffolonious | well the mail light never is always off. |
| 19:10.04 | kergoth | whether it succeeds or fails, that light turns on |
| 19:10.24 | duffolonious | double negative... |
| 19:10.28 | duffolonious | it's always off. |
| 19:10.32 | kergoth | yes, you said that already. |
| 19:10.36 | duffolonious | sorry. |
| 19:10.37 | kergoth | i heard you the first time |
| 19:10.50 | kergoth | so it sounds like it isnt even starting the cf updater |
| 19:10.57 | duffolonious | yeah |
| 19:11.03 | kergoth | which indicates either you're hitting the wrong keys in the process, or the updater itself is hosed |
| 19:11.13 | kergoth | if its the former, its user error. if its the latter, send it back to sharp. |
| 19:11.16 | kergoth | afaict. |
| 19:11.25 | duffolonious | what's the warranty? |
| 19:11.37 | duffolonious | I'm probably screwed. |
| 19:11.40 | duffolonious | it's used. |
| 19:12.17 | duffolonious | I'm guessing it's not me, because I can go into the bios just fine. |
| 19:12.40 | kergoth | yeah, if d+p works but c+d fails, it sounds like an issue with the cf updater |
| 19:12.54 | kergoth | in theory, you could replace it from linux, but i wouldnt recommend it |
| 19:13.16 | duffolonious | hmmmm... |
| 19:14.32 | duffolonious | well the problem is this thing is worthless to me if I can't flash it. |
| 19:15.31 | duffolonious | how hackneyed would replacing it be? |
| 19:16.37 | kergoth | well, the thing is, the mtd device for that partition is read only in linux, you'd probably have to boot a different kernel to be able to flash.. unless you could modprobe a new mtd driver to access it readwrite.. |
| 19:16.42 | kergoth | what rom's on there now? |
| 19:17.25 | duffolonious | oz 3.2 |
| 19:19.03 | duffolonious | the 2.6.0 kernel has good mtd device tools. |
| 19:19.19 | kergoth | the mtd utils wont help you if the mtd device is read only. |
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| 19:23.08 | duffolonious | how would I go about doing this then? |
| 19:23.34 | duffolonious | is there any drivers to support writing to rom? That is what I would have to do, correct? |
| 19:42.20 | duffolonious | kergoth: is there any possibility? |
| 19:43.05 | davisfactor | does anyone run xmms on 3.3.4? im getting library errors and im not quite sure what to do |
| 19:46.58 | trappist | davisfactor: # ipkg search ldconfig |
| 19:47.00 | trappist | libc6-utils: /sbin/ldconfig |
| 19:47.46 | davisfactor | i just installed xmms ... here's the error: |
| 19:47.53 | davisfactor | Processing plugin: /opt/QtPalmtop/lib/xmms/Input/libmikmod.so |
| 19:47.54 | davisfactor | libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 19:48.04 | davisfactor | it does that wit a few of them |
| 19:48.26 | davisfactor | ipkg search ldconfig doesn't pull anything up for me |
| 19:48.35 | davisfactor | which feeds are you using , and what rom version? |
| 19:49.04 | trappist | 3.3.5, and I haven't mastered the feeds thing yet |
| 19:49.24 | trappist | ipkg search libmikmod.so.2 doesn't give me anything |
| 19:49.40 | davisfactor | yeah, me either ... maybe i should use the nightly cvs of xmms |
| 19:49.43 | davisfactor | im using 3.3.4 |
| 19:50.13 | trappist | you might have better luck finding an ipkg of xmms for your rom |
| 19:50.56 | davisfactor | yeah, im using the one from xmms-embedded.sf.net .. the homepage .. but i installed it from the 3.2 feed .. the only feed listed |
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| 19:54.19 | mickeyl | why don't you just install libmikmod? |
| 19:55.31 | duffolonious | does libmikmod play mp3's? |
| 19:55.38 | mickeyl | no |
| 19:55.42 | mickeyl | libmikmod plays .mods |
| 19:55.57 | mickeyl | but your xmms package apparantly needs it |
| 19:56.31 | duffolonious | hmmmm... does it do some sort of conversion with this library? |
| 19:56.43 | mickeyl | xmms play .mods through this library |
| 19:56.48 | davisfactor | i did install it |
| 19:57.01 | davisfactor | http://www.zaurususergroup.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=3353#3353 - there's the post I just did to zug |
| 19:57.38 | davisfactor | i installed everything from the feed at http://xmms-embedded.sourceforge.net/feed/oz32/ |
| 19:58.38 | davisfactor | I've got to go to work ... I guess if anyone thinks they can fix my (and the other guy on the zug site) problem, please reply to the thread. |
| 19:58.45 | davisfactor | thanks guys |
| 20:23.09 | kergoth | davisfactor: is it possible, yes. is it likely you'll get it to work, no. |
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| 20:40.14 | George- | kergoth: you never emailed me the stuff :P |
| 20:40.24 | kergoth | yeah i know, forgot |
| 20:40.27 | kergoth | and still no internet at home |
| 20:40.31 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:40.37 | George- | wtf, that's like, CRAP |
| 20:40.39 | kergoth | just read the getting started stuff on the openembedded.org wiki |
| 20:40.52 | George- | well |
| 20:40.53 | George- | ok |
| 20:40.58 | George- | I'll do it when I have time :D |
| 20:41.07 | kergoth | get it so y ou can actually build glibc n stuff, then go from there |
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| 21:21.31 | pole | anyone know how rotate SDL apps (znester/snes9x)? |
| 21:21.47 | pole | i thought there would be some env variable that SDL uses |
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| 22:31.32 | eworm | Where do I find iptables-modules for OZ 3.3.5? |
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| 22:32.18 | _4cheeze1 | hehe |
| 22:32.40 | _4cheeze1 | using gaim on oz :-) |
| 22:33.36 | _4cheeze1 | hmm |
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| 23:36.17 | eworm | Is the battery status broken in oz 3.3.5? |
| 23:36.43 | eworm | Still 100% after 3 hours of working... |
| 23:37.36 | Pendalar | no your battery kicked into self recharge mode via nuclear fusion |
| 23:38.00 | eworm | Hmm... |
| 23:38.05 | eworm | Great update. :) |
| 23:48.25 | pole | heh |
| 23:48.37 | pole | damn apm |
| 23:48.48 | pole | fucks up my 802.11b card cus it always thihnks it's low bat |
| 23:48.54 | kergoth | eworm: 2.4.18 in 3.3.5 is sharp's kernel |
| 23:49.02 | kergoth | eworm: with sharp's shitty ass battery code without interpolation |
| 23:49.09 | kergoth | so it has the .. what.. 3 or 4 levels only |
| 23:49.12 | kergoth | if that |
| 23:49.22 | George- | kergoth: 3.3.6_pre0 has the proper battery stuff doesn't it? |
| 23:49.27 | pole | but it is always at 100% |
| 23:49.28 | kergoth | what 3.3.6_pre0? |
| 23:49.33 | kergoth | I'm developing 3.5.1. |
| 23:49.35 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:49.37 | George- | kergoth: 100%, 40%, 0% |
| 23:49.48 | George- | kergoth: mickey was telling me about 3.3.6_pre0 |
| 23:49.59 | George- | kergoth: with the battery code added to 2.4.18 that works :) |
| 23:50.12 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:50.20 | pole | weird... for me it is always at 100% |
| 23:50.23 | kergoth | he keeps wasting time on the old system and kernels that are going away |
| 23:50.28 | kergoth | oh well, to each his own |
| 23:50.33 | George- | anyway, it's not my fault I'm not good enough at adding the battery patch in, or the battery thingy would have been in 3.3.5 :) |
| 23:50.47 | _4cheeze_ | hehe |
| 23:50.54 | George- | http://www.openzaurus.org/official/experimental/collie/3.3.6-pre0-2.4.18-gcc3/ |
| 23:51.10 | _4cheeze_ | just managed to use gaim on zaurus via irda and gprs |
| 23:51.20 | _4cheeze_ | quite cool |
| 23:51.55 | _4cheeze_ | difficult to line up the mobile and zaurus and type with a baby in your arms too |
| 23:53.03 | _4cheeze_ | but needless to say, I'm impressed |
| 23:53.30 | Pendalar | get a cable or BT phone |
| 23:53.35 | _4cheeze_ | yeah |
| 23:53.38 | _4cheeze_ | I've got a BT phone |
| 23:53.43 | _4cheeze_ | but no BT for the Z yet |
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| 23:54.10 | _4cheeze_ | where would the cable go? |
| 23:54.44 | Pendalar | you wouldn't need a cable if you had a BT CF card |
| 23:55.29 | Pendalar | the cable if you used one would have to go in the sharp i/o port |
| 23:55.35 | Pendalar | no where else for it to go really.. |