irclog2html for #openzaurus on 20031218

00:00.41ewormWhat's the development status of Kernel 2.4.21?
00:00.57kergothits missing SD/MMC and a few minor bits here and there, for collie
00:01.01kergothit doesnt support any other models yet
00:02.30ewormDoes the touchscreen work properly now?
00:02.35W8TVIsence I cant run anything off of the sd card, I might as well make it so I can read it on my windows box
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00:02.53kergotheworm: damn close, and i can easily improve it further
00:03.04kergotheworm: i have a shitload of filtering modules and stuff for tslib
00:06.12ewormOh, one thing to oz 3.3.5: Where do I find iptables-modules?
00:06.24kergothdunno, shouldve ended up in the feeds
00:06.28kergothpester mickey
00:08.32ewormok, thanx
00:08.50ewormand n8 :)
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00:16.42scribeHey guys
00:16.53scribeAnyone have any info on GPE om the Zaurus?
00:17.14scribes/om/s//on/
00:18.05mickeylno more than a download location
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01:50.03trappist# mkfs.ext2 /dev/mmcda1
01:50.03trappistmke2fs 1.33 (21-Apr-2003)
01:50.04trappistmkfs.ext2: No such device or address while trying to determine filesystem size
01:50.09trappistbrand new sd card
01:50.17trappistam I missing something?
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02:08.47chouimat|Zzzznight
02:10.48trappist3 lines to go away?
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02:14.54godsmoketrappist: it's sad, isn't it?
02:15.14kergoth<PROTECTED>
02:15.40godsmokeof course it is ... but chances are, it's a script (for the "away" feature)
02:15.52kergothyep
02:15.53Pendalarprobably using XDCC script for xchat2
02:15.54godsmokeand then he/she decided to change their nic
02:16.04Pendalarwhich is buggy and likes to announce about 3-4 times at once
02:16.10godsmokeheh
02:16.57godsmokeat least it's not "Illusion" or whatever that thing is called that everyone uses with mIRC ... it colors everything, every time the person gets voice or oped, it says thanks in like 10 colors ... it pisses the shit out of me
02:17.21godsmokeI usually kick those people where I have ops
02:17.25godsmokeban them for 30 minutes
02:18.28Twiunyeah, the advantage of only using the nick change is that no further querying is required by others to know you're not there
02:18.46Pendalarwell XDCC is one of the few to only scripts for xchat2 that does auto op'ing in channels
02:18.51kergothyep. and /whois already shows your idle time
02:18.51Twiunor reminding '... is auto away, LOG is ON...' blerh
02:19.00godsmokekergoth: depends on the server
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02:19.59godsmokeis anybody else here pissed off by livejournal and their stupid setup?
02:20.40godsmokeI'm trying to get my girlfriend to use a simple php/mysql blog I set up on my server ... I think livejournal has just died as any kind of decent resource
02:21.15kergothheh, have never used it myself
02:21.38godsmokewell, I have an account I barely ever use ... and I just hate their restrictions
02:21.46godsmokeyou have to pay to be able to grab an rss feed
02:22.07godsmokeI can write a script in about 2 minutes to build one for me
02:22.09trappistkergoth: IMHO /nicking for away is also useless, since freenode has a perfectly good away system
02:22.25Pendalarthat would be fine if you were bound to one network
02:22.25kergothnot useless. tab completing me immediately tells you i'm not here.
02:22.29trappistmost people on most of the channels you're on don't care when you get up to go do something
02:22.34kergothwhich isnt true of a normal /away
02:22.48trappistbut if they do care a /whois will hook em right up
02:23.03kergoth20:18 < Twiun> yeah, the advantage of only using the nick change is that no further querying is required by others to know
02:23.06kergoth<PROTECTED>
02:23.37trappistI suppose a nick change is better than a /me in that it doesn't trip the activity flag so I go see what's going on on that channel
02:23.50kergothyep, exactly
02:24.03trappistI still prefer /away though :)
02:24.13kergothpersonal preference
02:24.18godsmokeheh, that and also only people who are around at that moment will know you're away
02:24.22trappistright tool for the job
02:24.25godsmoke(when using a /me)
02:24.34kergothi think we can all equally despise /me
02:24.56godsmokeyes, except when one is bored, and is speaking in the 3rd person
02:25.06trappistI wish xchat and other of its ilk would drop the broadcast away feature
02:25.20kergothMG_Tak: buildroot builds packages. oebuild builds packages.
02:25.38kergothMG_Tak: the goal wasnt the issue, but the implementation and ease of use and available functionality in that scope
02:26.51MG_Takkergoth: I realized both of them did the same thing. But from the name, I always got the impression that it was more a "create a distribution" than just a single package. At least buildroot sounded rather vast.
02:27.05kergothoebuild builds an individual package
02:27.15kergothoemake builds a set of packages, following interpackage dependencies
02:27.25kergothoemake is more like a 'make' in buildroot than anything else
02:27.51MG_TakSounds nifty.
02:27.54kergothnote that OE's tools and package metadata are split
02:28.02kergothbuildroot was the it all globbed together in one big pile
02:33.40MG_Takis there such a thing as right-click in konq?
02:35.45kergothyep
02:35.50kergothits not bad, though i'm more of a vim guy
02:35.52kergothheh
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02:38.17MG_Taknot the easiest thing
02:38.37MG_Taklater
02:38.37kergoth`bbltreke|ho1e: pango builds now :)
02:38.41treke|ho1ecool
02:39.02W8TVILinked /mnt/ram/home/QtPalmtop/opera/buttons/opback.png to /home/QtPalmtop/opera/buttons/opback.png
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02:39.03W8TVIFailed to link /mnt/ram/home/QtPalmtop/opera/buttons/opback.png to /home/QtPalmtop/opera/buttons/opback.png
02:39.19W8TVIits funny
02:39.31W8TVIthe first part it says it links it
02:39.40W8TVIthen it tried to link it again
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03:14.30darien_anyone here have the 760?
03:16.53darien_anyone here at all?
03:16.58W8TVIno
03:17.46darien_ok who can help me fix my wi-fi
03:18.06darien_i'm used to the prism drivers and this new hostap stuff is killing me
03:23.57omin0uswhat is libgcc_s.so.1?
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04:15.36trappisthow do you go about setting file associations for opie?
04:17.09treke|ho1eapplication .desktop files list what type of files they can handle
04:19.06trappistthanks
04:22.37trappistok I guess it's a mime type issue
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04:44.17trappistI came all the way over to this channel because the activity flag was tripped and I wanted to see what was going on, and it's somebody doing /back with xchat
04:44.44treke|ho1ehope it wasnt a long walk
04:47.31trappistalt-7
04:48.00trappistplus my verbose rant about broadcast away and back messages
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05:27.23vvffWhee. 2.6.0 here I come. Looks like they fixed my ide-scsi problems...
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07:35.54ShtoinkAnyone around?
07:35.54ShtoinkAnyone here?
07:36.15ShtoinkDoh
07:36.33ShtoinkGot lagged there a sec and wasn't sure if I typed the one line or not
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08:20.16zaurinha this is my zaurus 3.3.5
08:20.23zaurinon 5600
08:20.26zaurinyeah
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09:46.49Zaurinohow can simulate the tab key with a application key lancher with opie ?
09:46.57Zaurino(qtopia does that)
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10:00.55marvin42hi
10:01.39marvin42does anyone knows when /official/experimental/collie/3.3.6-pre1-2.4.18-gcc3 is going to be filled?
10:02.12HCl[pda]does anyone know an lftp ikg that works with the non-gcc libc?
10:03.47mickeylwhat is the non-gcc libc?
10:04.32HCl[pda]eh, hold on
10:04.55HCl[pda]2.2.4
10:05.18mickeyl"non-gcc" ?
10:05.21mickeyli don't understand that
10:05.48mickeylor do you mean gcc2-libc as opposed to gcc3-libc ?
10:06.01mickeyl(e.g. 2.2.4 as opposed to 2.3.2)
10:08.28ljpnon-gcc libc is one compiled by a MS compiler
10:08.37marvin42mickeyl: don't know if you read my question above, I just wanted to know if you are going to upload pre1 today...
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10:09.03Zaurinohow can simulate the tab key with a application key lancher with opie ?
10:09.03Zaurino(qtopia does that)
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10:13.18Piete'lo
10:15.29mickeylmarvin42: i read it and decided to ignore because i don't know the answer :)
10:15.46mickeylthat means... most likely not today
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10:17.38zaurinok
10:17.51zaurinreally good..
10:19.06marvin42mickeyl: ok, will flash pre0 than...
10:19.06darmouAre there any screenshots of the new oz?
10:21.00mickeylopie.handhelds.org --> gallery
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10:24.29darmouThanks
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10:38.00mickeylhey Twiun
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11:19.34zaurinmy opieirc terminates itself
11:19.39zaurin!@#$
11:20.27dade`.
11:21.37Zaurino.
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12:12.18_4cheeze_hey
12:12.34_4cheeze_does anyone have GNUemacs running on the Zaurus?
12:12.54MG_TakMy Z doesn't have _that_ much RAM..
12:13.00_4cheeze_:-)
12:13.02_4cheeze_aww
12:13.13_4cheeze_emacs runs in about 8MB
12:14.06MG_Takanyway
12:14.08MG_TakI'm off to work
12:14.11MG_Takbbiab
12:14.59_4cheeze_l8rz
12:17.42mclarenhi, is there any good FAQ on how to build the rootfs of OZ?
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14:00.44gawelanyboy awake?
14:02.05_4cheeze_nope
14:02.08_4cheeze_:-)
14:02.53gawelso it's me and the crickets ;>
14:03.56MG_Takmm, crickets
14:04.32gawelsay, you guys have used bitkeeper before?
14:10.36_4cheeze_nope
14:10.45_4cheeze_isn't it a closed source thing?
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14:11.08mousehi 2 all
14:20.12mouseI recreate rom disk and after boot have follow messages (from dmesg): "jffs2_scan_eraseblock(): Magic bitmask 0x1985 nor found at 0xADDR: 0x793f instead"" "Child dir "arm" (ino #xyzw) of dir ino #wxxy appears to be a hard link". And I have files instead some dirs. What wrong? I create rom by cmd: mkfs.jffs2 -r root -p -e 0x40000 -o initrd.bin -l -q -f
14:22.18mousethere are a lot of "jffs2_scan..." and "Child dir" messages
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14:39.57mouse?
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15:07.07chouimat|coffeemorning
15:29.59mousechouimat|coffee: evening
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16:08.25mouseanybody alive?
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16:15.24darien_can someone help me with the wi-fi
16:19.47darien_i have no connectivity to my zaurus via usb, wi-fi or infrared
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16:20.27darien_for wi-fi the hostap_cs crypt module gives errors and wlan0 is not available
16:21.01darien_whenever i try to start an interface in network setting it says starting device failed
16:23.12mousedarien_: lsmod ?
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16:41.21ruied_Zaurushow can I represent characters that doesn't exist im my keyboard?
16:41.41ruied_ZaurusI am Portuguese with english layout...
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18:17.42davisfactorhas anyone successfully got xmms to work with 3.3.4 ?  I get errors when adding songs to the playlist
18:19.43Cameronyou mean 3.3.5, right?
18:19.53davisfactorno, 3.3.4 with opie 1.0.2
18:20.00Cameronwhere did you get that image from?
18:20.17davisfactorsomeone from here recommended it .. let me find the url
18:20.40davisfactorhttp://www.opie.us/opie/devZone.php/initrds/OZ-Opie-1.02/http://www.opie.us/opie/devZone.php/initrds/OZ-Opie-1.02/
18:20.45davisfactorit pasted twice
18:21.35Cameroncool
18:21.43Cameronsorry, I don't know, however
18:22.36davisfactoryeah, me either ... driving me crazy trying to figure it out
18:32.30trappistI got mplayer to *look* like it's playing mp3s, but I have no sound
18:35.06duffoloniousyou sure you aren't deaf?
18:35.19trappistnope not deaf
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18:43.34duffolonioustrappist: my problem is that I can't flash my zaurus, any I've done about everything with the conclusion that it's flash program is dysfunctional...
18:43.44duffoloniousso I have a worthless p.o.s.
18:44.45Captain-Obvioushave you tried flashing a sharp rom?
18:45.28duffoloniousno, I have not; but when flashing there is no lights (it should at least light).
18:45.42duffoloniousbut I could give the sharp rom's a try.
18:46.11MG_Takduffolonious: what model?
18:46.17duffolonious5500.
18:46.24MG_Takah
18:46.29MG_Takcan't help you there
18:46.35duffoloniousthat's alright.
18:46.46Captain-Obviousduffolonious: are you sure that your getting both c and d pressed?
18:47.13duffoloniousI assume that I can do "C+D+FULL RESET" because...
18:47.33duffoloniousI can do "D+P+FULL RESET" and get into debugging/bios mode.
18:47.41Captain-Obviousk
18:50.37duffoloniousyeah.
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19:10.18trappistduffolonious: works flawlessly on my 5500
19:13.28duffolonioustrappist: I hope that isn't supposed to make me feel better.  Sharp roms? or oz?
19:14.04trappistoz
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19:21.21davisfactorwhats the best way to mount a partition on another linux box?
19:23.20dade`i think smbmount
19:23.37duffolonioustrappist: trade ya?
19:23.41dade`but you are yousing wireless connections ?
19:24.12davisfactoryeah, wireless connection .. i want to mount the mp3 parition on my workstation to transfer files over
19:24.20davisfactorjust got xmms working !!! :)
19:25.13davisfactorright now im running the sftp-serrver on the z and ftping files over
19:25.36dade`yep
19:25.41dade`i tryed with smbmount
19:25.48dade`BUT
19:25.53dade`there are many broblem due to the wireless connection
19:26.27dade`'cause if the signal interrupts for a little there is an I/O kernel error on that mountpoint
19:26.36dade`and you can't unmount, you have to reboot
19:26.50davisfactorreally?
19:26.51dade`this happens often
19:27.06davisfactorthats handy :)
19:27.17dade`?
19:27.31dade`i dunno how to solve this
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22:28.51trappist# mount /dev/mmcda1 /mnt/card/
22:28.51trappistmount: /dev/mmcda1 is not a valid block device
22:29.05trappistthat happens with 2 brand new sd cards in a row, 2 different manufacturers
22:30.33StarScreamisn't /mnt/card for CF?
22:30.45kergothno, it isnt
22:31.07smashieits for sd/mmc
22:31.19smashie./mnt/cf
22:31.19smashieis for CF
22:31.19smashie:p
22:31.42trappist# mkfs.ext2 /dev/mmcda1
22:31.44trappistmke2fs 1.33 (21-Apr-2003)
22:31.44trappistmkfs.ext2: No such device or address while trying to determine filesystem size
22:40.30trappistjust verified that it's good in my reader
22:41.34cipher_anyone know if theres a usbdnet module that'll work on 2.6.*?
22:42.17trappist2.6 comes with a module that specifically supports OZ
22:42.20StarScreamcipher i dont know but if you want to sync you zaurus you can with the Sharp Zaurus modules
22:42.49ciphertrappist: really? which?
22:42.56trappistthere's one that supports that, and there's a faster-better-cheaper-whatever module that's basically just for OZ
22:43.06kergotheh, usbnet works fine with sharp or oz.
22:43.10trappistcipher: I don't recall, I just remember seeing it last night when I was building 2.6
22:43.47ciphermy dmesg shows that the usb device is getting detected, but i'm not sure if i'd be able to sync.
22:43.52trappistkergoth: the maintainer of that code seems to think the sharp way of doing things was unnecessarily complicated, and there's a separate one for OZ
22:44.12kergothOZ's usbd driver behaves the same as sharps.
22:44.14trappisthang on I'll pull it up
22:44.48cipherhub 1-0:1.0: new USB device on port 1, assigned address 7
22:44.51cipheri get that in dmesg
22:45.05cipherhow could i do a quick test to see if it works?
22:45.14trappist"
22:45.14trappistAlthough the ROMs shipped with Sharp Zaurus products use a
22:45.14trappistdifferent link level framing protocol, you can have them use
22:45.15trappistthis simpler protocol by installing a different kernel.
22:45.19trappistoops
22:46.11kergothas i said. heh. yes, if you switch from usbd to usb-ether, itll remove the crc appending which isnt really needed, since usb has crc checking already
22:46.20kergothbut oz still uses what sharp does
22:46.35kergothwell, to clarify, our 2.4.21 tree uses the simpler driver by default
22:47.08trappistdo sd cards necessarily go to /dev/mmcda1?
22:47.48trappistthis new one works in my reader, has a filesystem, etc. but I can't find it on the zaurus
22:48.55trappistoops nm it does work :)
22:49.55kergothheh
22:50.36trappistnow I'd like to ext2 it so I can install software to it and not just use it for data, any gotchas before I do that?
22:50.54kergothnope
22:51.36trappistI suppose I'll need to update $PATH and ld.so.conf, anything else for installing software?
22:51.54kergothno you dont need to do that, the gui package installer symlinks everything back into /
22:52.17trappisthmm
22:52.25trappistit didn't seem to do that when I installed stuff to /mnt/ram
22:52.36trappistoh gui, I wasn't using the gui
22:52.39StarScreamkergoth: When i sync my zaurus under 2.4.22 or 2.4.23 my machine freezes when i remove it from the cradle. Do you know which kernel developer should i notify of the bug?
22:52.41trappistI was just using ipkg
22:53.02kergothStarScream: the desktop freezes? email the linux-usb-devel mailing list
22:53.29trappistI wasn't aware the gui came with any special bennies
22:53.41StarScreamthanks kergoth. Yeh everything locks up, like i dont even get anything in the syslog
23:04.01trappistan item in the FAQ tells me I can change the default install destination to sd, but doesn't say how, and I'm not seeing how. Help?
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23:13.04trappistthe opie documentation on this is apparently out of date
23:13.47kergoththe last destination you selected will be the one thats selected by defualt the next time you install something
23:13.56kergothits on the "to install" dialog in the package gui
23:14.08trappistok that'll work, thanks
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