| 00:00.29 | ShALLaX | HAPPY NEW YEAR |
| 00:00.43 | Cameron | Same to you. Though I have to wait five hours :) |
| 00:00.59 | PhantomsDad | Happy New Year back! |
| 00:01.03 | Cameron | So the world HASN'T ended on your part of the globe?? |
| 00:01.05 | Cameron | ;) |
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| 00:03.13 | matr1x | pff |
| 00:03.24 | matr1x | y2k is so far in the past now |
| 00:03.34 | matr1x | so many stupid people |
| 00:04.07 | matr1x | i wonder what distro i was running back then |
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| 01:17.45 | drpj | hi |
| 01:17.47 | drpj | anyone using X11? |
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| 03:02.20 | mickey|party | HAPPY NEW YEAR |
| 03:03.51 | pasky | [04:02] < mickey|party> HAPPY NEW YEAR |
| 03:03.55 | pasky | *yawn* ;) |
| 03:04.16 | mickeyl | hehe |
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| 03:14.12 | nick|sjlinux | is openzaurus also compatible with the sl-5600 |
| 03:14.22 | mickeyl | yup |
| 03:14.31 | nick|sjlinux | cool |
| 03:14.39 | mickeyl | check official/experimental - there are data for your model |
| 03:15.25 | nick|sjlinux | k |
| 03:15.37 | nick|sjlinux | also,i was wondering if the OZ can sync with Linux |
| 03:15.43 | George- | it's called "poodle" btw |
| 03:15.45 | nick|sjlinux | i am on the site now |
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| 05:07.09 | catskul | happy new year |
| 05:07.44 | catskul | Hey, im trying to build buildroot |
| 05:09.52 | catskul | nm |
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| 06:01.25 | catskul | is it a good idea to use the buildroot environment for building zaurus apps... according to the docs, if I do, I cant use the OZ toolchain |
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| 06:02.42 | treke|laptop | ? |
| 06:03.12 | catskul | according to :http://opie.handhelds.org/wiki/index.php/BuildRoot |
| 06:03.26 | catskul | 3. Download the arm-toolchain: ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/toolchain/cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2 |
| 06:03.26 | catskul | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:03.44 | catskul | there is of course a 3.2 tool chain there as well |
| 06:03.53 | treke|laptop | I dont see what that has to do with anything |
| 06:04.12 | treke|laptop | toolchains are hardcoded to a specific direcory |
| 06:04.13 | catskul | the oz tool chain unzips to opt/bla bla bla |
| 06:04.23 | treke|laptop | so? |
| 06:04.35 | treke|laptop | so you install the toolchain to /opt |
| 06:06.06 | catskul | from the buildroot docs : |
| 06:06.08 | catskul | * The ARM cross compiler from |
| 06:06.08 | catskul | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:06.08 | catskul | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:06.08 | catskul | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:06.08 | catskul | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:06.36 | treke|laptop | That documentation is incorrect then |
| 06:07.47 | catskul | hmm |
| 06:08.39 | catskul | im afraid im going to fuck something up... is there any harm in using their gcc3.2 tool chain instead of the openzaurs.org one ? |
| 06:09.09 | treke|laptop | think about this for a second |
| 06:09.58 | treke|laptop | your going to use the handhelds.org toolchain over the openzaurus.org toolchain because you don't think the openzaurus toolchain will compile openzaurus |
| 06:10.06 | catskul | the openzaurus one unzipps to opt/cross/arm-linux |
| 06:10.21 | treke|laptop | we've established that |
| 06:10.28 | catskul | build root requires that it be /usr/local/arm/3.2 |
| 06:10.35 | treke|laptop | no it doesnt |
| 06:10.50 | treke|laptop | the toolchain has to be in the location it was compiled to be in |
| 06:11.19 | catskul | so I just have to set my path in some buildroot makefile ? |
| 06:11.24 | treke|laptop | yes |
| 06:12.16 | catskul | I was afraid that the buildroot people had hard coded a path somewhere in compiled code |
| 06:12.47 | treke|laptop | and then posted a toolchain that installs elsewhere? |
| 06:13.19 | catskul | no.. their tool chain unzips to usr/local/arm/ |
| 06:13.33 | catskul | er at least the one they point to in the docs does |
| 06:13.34 | treke|laptop | you just said the openzaurus toolchain installs to /opt |
| 06:13.38 | catskul | yes |
| 06:13.59 | treke|laptop | and who do you think maintains buildroot? |
| 06:14.24 | catskul | I dont know but the toolchain pointed to in the buildroot docs is not the one on openzaurus.org |
| 06:14.37 | treke|laptop | no it isnt, that documentation is old. |
| 06:15.41 | catskul | I hope at least that it is in sync with its makefiles |
| 06:16.08 | catskul | otherwise anyone without any buildroot experience is going to have a hard time |
| 06:16.11 | treke|laptop | the documentation is old and not in sync with everything |
| 06:16.48 | catskul | i see. THanks for the clarification... Maybe I can finally get this thing working now : ) |
| 06:17.51 | catskul | How can I contact the docs maintainer to let him/her know about the inconsistancy ? |
| 06:18.12 | treke|laptop | there is no docs maintainer |
| 06:18.59 | catskul | Should I notify someone ? |
| 06:18.59 | treke|laptop | feel free to send patches to the openzaurus mailing list |
| 06:19.00 | catskul | will do |
| 06:19.46 | treke|laptop | no one really cares much about buildroot at this point |
| 06:20.51 | catskul | why is that ? |
| 06:21.02 | catskul | do people use some other envrionment ? |
| 06:21.06 | treke|laptop | it's old, and planned to be replaced |
| 06:21.22 | catskul | I see, but for now its the best choice correct ? |
| 06:21.33 | treke|laptop | maintanence is mostly a matter of someone getting annoyed and mailing in a patch for it |
| 06:21.44 | treke|laptop | or a developer wanting something and using it to build a package |
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| 06:41.57 | Rack | buildroot is the old way of building openzaurus? |
| 06:42.01 | Rack | and oe is the new way? |
| 06:51.04 | treke|home | that is the plan |
| 06:53.11 | ljp | stan |
| 06:57.32 | catskul | is it better to use oe than buildroot ? or is oe still incapable of doing somethings ? |
| 07:01.33 | catskul | are you guys funded at all ? |
| 07:02.31 | Cameron | don't think they're making much for OZ |
| 07:04.13 | catskul | making money, and being funded are different |
| 07:04.52 | catskul | by being funded, I meant is anyone paying to support the project ? |
| 07:06.16 | catskul | is it better to use oe than buildroot ? or is oe still incapable of doing somethings ? |
| 07:33.35 | ljp | kergoth works for TI |
| 07:35.19 | catskul | grr... damn it I have to build libc6 : P |
| 07:37.39 | catskul | and does he devlop oe/oz on company time? |
| 07:37.44 | ljp | ya |
| 07:37.50 | ljp | I work for trolltech |
| 07:38.02 | ljp | although, I dont do much oe at this time |
| 07:38.03 | catskul | and you devlop on company time ? |
| 07:38.08 | ljp | yes |
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| 07:38.46 | ljp | I chat on irc on company time also |
| 07:38.58 | ljp | and surf the net |
| 07:39.10 | ljp | and drink beer and wine |
| 07:39.11 | catskul | why would either company want to support oe/oz... trolltech products are almost in competition with oz in a way no? |
| 07:39.20 | ljp | no |
| 07:39.21 | catskul | and TI ?? |
| 07:39.31 | ljp | Texas Instruments |
| 07:39.35 | catskul | yeah |
| 07:39.42 | catskul | I guess they are getting into the PDA |
| 07:39.48 | catskul | market |
| 07:39.51 | ljp | kinda sorta |
| 07:40.32 | catskul | but trolltech... doesnt qtopia desktop compete a bit with opie ? |
| 07:40.38 | ljp | no |
| 07:41.18 | ljp | business would be silly to ship with opie, as it's GPL and couldnt have commercial, closed source apps on it |
| 07:42.20 | catskul | sure you can. some of the hamicom software will run within opie right ? |
| 07:42.23 | catskul | and its comerical |
| 07:42.39 | ljp | doesnt make it legal to do that |
| 07:42.59 | ljp | and handcome is shipped with a zaurus, that uses a QPL qte |
| 07:43.29 | catskul | the only thing that would be illegal is if hamicom was mixing code |
| 07:43.42 | catskul | running commecial softare on a gpl system is perfectly legal |
| 07:43.56 | ljp | no, cause if you link an app with a GPL lib, it becomes GPL'd itself |
| 07:44.12 | ljp | hence there is the LGPL where you can links with closed apps |
| 07:44.30 | catskul | and none of the opie libs are LGPL ? |
| 07:44.38 | ljp | they cant be. |
| 07:44.50 | catskul | why is that ? |
| 07:44.52 | ljp | as its bult on GPL qte |
| 07:44.57 | catskul | ahhh |
| 07:45.02 | catskul | I see |
| 07:45.06 | ljp | :) |
| 07:45.14 | catskul | that kinda sucks |
| 07:45.20 | ljp | yes and no |
| 07:45.44 | catskul | wait... |
| 07:46.00 | catskul | but if I buy the commercial version of qte |
| 07:46.12 | catskul | cant I create commercial apps which will run on opie ? |
| 07:46.37 | catskul | (there is a commercial version correct? ) |
| 07:46.37 | ljp | sure.. but if you want them closed source, you cant target opie |
| 07:47.01 | ljp | there is a commercial developers license |
| 07:47.15 | catskul | for opie you mean ? |
| 07:47.20 | ljp | no, for qtopia |
| 07:47.49 | ljp | I have sold GPL apps for zaurus |
| 07:48.34 | catskul | how did that work out ? to whom ? |
| 07:49.00 | ljp | too lots of people |
| 07:49.11 | ljp | I know wother people do it also |
| 07:49.21 | ljp | perfectly legal |
| 07:49.45 | ljp | you just have to give them code under the GPL if your customers request it |
| 07:51.02 | catskul | what kind of apps have you sold...? custom apps ? |
| 07:51.19 | ljp | gutenbrowser |
| 07:51.27 | ljp | I wrote it |
| 07:52.14 | ljp | but I cant sell it anymore |
| 07:52.20 | catskul | thats really cool, but the business model doesnt really scale up if you want to start a business |
| 07:52.23 | catskul | why is that ? |
| 07:52.37 | ljp | cause is in my contract |
| 07:53.00 | catskul | that makes sense |
| 07:53.09 | ljp | I dont mind |
| 07:53.25 | ljp | I make more in a week than I made in a year of selling that |
| 07:54.04 | catskul | it would be nice though if companies could survive selling apps for opie... it would really help opie grow, and become more wide spread |
| 07:55.13 | catskul | ... if I were to by kphone from the Kompany... then it would technically be illeagal for me to use it with opie |
| 07:56.14 | ljp | yes, thats why tkc wont support it if you tell them you run it on oz |
| 07:56.43 | catskul | interesing |
| 07:56.54 | catskul | ..but in a sucky way |
| 07:58.55 | catskul | I like the trolltech situation where you can create GPL stuff for free, but legally devlop comerciall closed apps for a fee |
| 08:00.05 | catskul | I think eventually the market will start to adopt the trolltech business model |
| 08:00.20 | ljp | and the qtopia developers license is very reasonable |
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| 08:03.10 | catskul | is qtopia a private or publicly traded company ? |
| 08:03.43 | ljp | you mean trolltech? private |
| 08:04.13 | catskul | er yeah |
| 08:04.21 | catskul | I keep saying qtopia for some reason |
| 08:04.30 | ljp | :) |
| 08:04.40 | catskul | im reading the company profile on the trolltech site |
| 08:04.51 | catskul | it seems to be doing very well financially |
| 08:05.11 | catskul | Its nice to see : ) |
| 08:05.58 | ljp | doing ok |
| 08:07.07 | catskul | what env var do you export to get make processes to look in the cross-compile lib dir instead of the systems ? |
| 08:07.16 | catskul | From the site: Trolltech was founded in 1994 by Haavard Nord (CEO) and Eirik Eng (President), and has doubled its revenues every year since then. |
| 08:11.21 | ljp | depends on the app you are compiling... mostly PATH |
| 08:11.53 | ljp | but also -L and -I CFLAGS and such |
| 08:20.40 | catskul | ive got to compile gtk now : ( |
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| 10:13.01 | Rack | guess not, definite weird behavior though |
| 10:36.50 | catskul | I hate dependencies |
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| 17:18.40 | irevia | hello.. simple q... can someone tell me what it's like "typing" on the sl-5500 keyboard |
| 17:19.06 | irevia | i'm used to the niceness of the Psion keyboards, but want something more *up to date* (particularly, nicer screen and faster cpu) than the 5mx |
| 17:19.23 | godsmoke | it's fine |
| 17:19.34 | godsmoke | it's like a hard click when you actually press down on it |
| 17:19.39 | godsmoke | the keys are hard |
| 17:19.58 | irevia | what kind of speed do you achieve |
| 17:20.02 | godsmoke | and when you apply pressure, they keys barely move until you've clicked |
| 17:20.11 | godsmoke | oh, I've never measured ... it takes time to get used to |
| 17:20.25 | irevia | with my psion i used to either hold it in 2 hands and thumb-type, or on the desk i could do a sort-of full 2 handed typing quite fast |
| 17:20.50 | godsmoke | oh |
| 17:20.57 | godsmoke | well, you have to thumb type |
| 17:21.07 | godsmoke | the keyboard is way too small to do handed typing |
| 17:21.14 | godsmoke | you have seen the device, right? |
| 17:21.18 | irevia | yes |
| 17:21.27 | irevia | had a good look at pics, but i havent actually played with one |
| 17:21.33 | godsmoke | yeah |
| 17:21.40 | godsmoke | overall ... I wouldn't buy it again |
| 17:21.41 | mickeyl | irevia: frankly... the keyboard sucks. BUT: it sucks less than a PDA without a keyboard! |
| 17:21.43 | godsmoke | if I had the chance |
| 17:21.54 | mickeyl | the c7x0 keyboards are much better though |
| 17:22.09 | godsmoke | it's not a great pda of sorts ... too many issues ... it's a fun toy though |
| 17:22.17 | irevia | yeah but we're talking 3-4 times the cost :/ (second hand any way) |
| 17:22.40 | mickeyl | you'll get what you pay for... at least in the hardware world :D |
| 17:22.46 | godsmoke | uh |
| 17:22.57 | godsmoke | yeah ... if you're really looking for a pda ... I wouldn't buy the zaurus |
| 17:23.29 | irevia | well ideally i want something that's an up to date 5mx, which is i suppose the c7/c8xx |
| 17:24.19 | irevia | what other "issues" does the sl-5x00 have apart from keyboard? |
| 17:24.34 | godsmoke | well, those depend on what rom you plan to use |
| 17:24.43 | mickeyl | compared to other PDAs, the PIM application are not that mature |
| 17:25.08 | godsmoke | yeah, there's a real lack of good pim applications in general |
| 17:25.09 | irevia | well i'd use the latest openzaurus i guess |
| 17:25.18 | godsmoke | yeah ... and openzaurus has some stability issues |
| 17:25.28 | irevia | that doesnt surprise me ;) |
| 17:25.29 | godsmoke | it crashes more often than my desktops |
| 17:25.32 | mickeyl | and if you want to develop stuff, your're pretty much on your own, because the hardware manufacturer won't support you |
| 17:25.42 | mickeyl | but other than that, it's a great device |
| 17:25.54 | godsmoke | yeah ... it's a nice device ... but not a nice pda |
| 17:26.40 | irevia | hm.. i dont suppose there exists a psion-size generic keyboard |
| 17:26.49 | godsmoke | what size is that? |
| 17:27.20 | irevia | 16cm x 7cm approx |
| 17:27.28 | godsmoke | hmm |
| 17:27.29 | irevia | if my ruler is correct |
| 17:27.45 | godsmoke | that's like 6" by 3" |
| 17:27.48 | godsmoke | right? |
| 17:28.12 | irevia | 6.5 x 2.7 about |
| 17:28.23 | godsmoke | sorry for doing the bastardized american measurement conversion |
| 17:28.40 | godsmoke | hmm ... not that I know of |
| 17:28.47 | godsmoke | there are some external keyboards for the z |
| 17:29.01 | godsmoke | http://www.myzaurus.com/buyaccess.asp#keyboard |
| 17:29.28 | godsmoke | bbl |
| 17:29.42 | irevia | ok, thanks for help |
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| 19:19.09 | irevia | hm, is it possible to upgrade the ram in a cl700 |
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| 19:41.39 | cyn_ | irevia: yes but the process is prohibitively complex and the cost was something like $300 for the ram module |
| 19:41.57 | cyn_ | but yeah someone did it like 8 months ago |
| 19:42.34 | cyn_ | posted on externe.net - should be searchable |
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| 19:44.52 | cyn_ | irevia: http://externe.net/zaurus/forum/viewtopic.php?t=117&highlight=ram+upgrade |
| 19:50.50 | catskul | anyone sucessfully compile glib for arm ? |
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| 20:14.41 | smashie | anyones using gaim? when tryint to install libglib2.0 I always get the error 'Cannot find package libglib2.0_2.2.1_arm.ipk Check the spelling or perhaps run 'ipkg update' |
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| 21:08.23 | Cameron | hi, mickey|tv |
| 21:08.28 | mickey|tv | hi cm |
| 21:08.33 | mickey|tv | Cameron even |
| 21:08.59 | Cameron | hehe |
| 21:10.33 | George- | bleh |
| 21:13.11 | George- | hrmm |
| 21:13.24 | George- | I need to lay a cat5 cable to my bed :D |
| 21:15.01 | mickey|tv | hehe |
| 21:15.19 | mickey|tv | future generations probably mutate and will be born with a cat5 connector in the brain |
| 21:16.17 | George- | :D |
| 21:16.32 | George- | you mean it's not normal to have a cat5 connector in the head? |
| 21:17.24 | mickey|tv | hehe |
| 21:17.28 | treke|laptop | George-: does linux on your powerbook just randomly eject a cd? |
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| 21:19.42 | George- | treke|laptop: no |
| 21:31.48 | Cameron | mickey|tv: Have you received any reports about 3.3.6-p1, the C700, and strange erratic touchscreen problems? |
| 21:32.01 | mickey|tv | no |
| 21:32.07 | Cameron | because I have experienced them with both the newest OZ AND Sash's X11 ROM |
| 21:32.40 | Cameron | mickey|tv: it was really annoying...I'd press a button and hold steadily with the stylus, and it would flicker and possibly knock another nearby button! |
| 21:32.58 | mickey|tv | odd. never heard about that. we're using tslib on c7x0 since months without problems. |
| 21:33.19 | Cameron | If I drew a W in the drawing pad program, I got a spider web with an inch or two width that formed the shape of a W |
| 21:33.54 | Cameron | as I held the stylus at one point in the drawing pad, it would draw lines to and from that point and a bunch of other seemingly random nearby points |
| 21:34.39 | Cameron | mickey|tv: And I thought that my screen had become defective or something, but Sash's .18 ROM from October, his latest Qtopia ROM, as well as the old Sharp ROM work fine with the touchscreen |
| 21:34.56 | Cameron | it was only the recent OZ & the recent X11 ROMs that had this problem |
| 21:34.59 | Cameron | very odd indeed |
| 21:35.07 | smashie | hmm I am afraid I am trying to install gaim, but tho it didnt work because treke told me my FS is corrupt ok I reflashed now the file which couldnt be installed before, is installable but now it moans with other files and dmesg again shows read cache errors :| |
| 21:38.25 | mickey|tv | then again, you could integrate gaim into one of our buildsystems and have it built against the proper libraries... if that is an option for you |
| 21:38.48 | treke|laptop | not likely to happen any time soon |
| 21:39.00 | treke|laptop | the bits needed to build it arent readily available |
| 21:39.18 | smashie | well but why does it corrupt the whole fs and why do some peeps have it runnin without any problems |
| 21:42.35 | smashie | treke? |
| 21:49.18 | smashie | err treke / mickey? |
| 21:51.41 | MG_Tak | I don't understand something.. |
| 21:52.06 | MG_Tak | If someone's using a Z and on the OZ mailing list, shouldn't they have enough skills to know how to unsubscribe from a mailing list? |
| 21:52.59 | madeddie | nah, mailinglists are dark magic |
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| 22:17.08 | George- | treke|laptop: do you have white spots yet? |
| 22:18.05 | treke|laptop | yup |
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| 22:23.18 | treke|laptop | /etc/init.d/opie start |
| 22:23.36 | ljp | I dont think he;s here yet |
| 22:23.41 | ljp | oh |
| 22:23.43 | smashie | omg ... |
| 22:23.43 | ljp | heh |
| 22:23.51 | ljp | hehe |
| 22:23.54 | smashie | and well I am |
| 22:23.57 | smashie | but its useless |
| 22:24.04 | smashie | you could even have said it in the other chan |
| 22:24.18 | ljp | well. this is the proper channel for that |
| 22:24.36 | ljp | err. for this discussion. |
| 22:24.37 | smashie | well that didnt help anyway |
| 22:24.44 | smashie | 'starting opie-login' nothing further happens |
| 22:24.44 | ljp | try reflashing |
| 22:24.49 | smashie | âgain? |
| 22:24.50 | smashie | omg |
| 22:25.11 | ljp | dont know what else to tell you |
| 22:25.47 | smashie | ok I am reflashing |
| 22:26.44 | ljp | it will be easier than to fix |
| 22:27.58 | smashie | well almost at every reboot after a new flash ( since I got my wlan cf card ) OZ is freezing |
| 22:28.10 | treke|laptop | try tkc rom |
| 22:28.13 | treke|laptop | see if it does it |
| 22:28.31 | smashie | well I wanna use OZ |
| 22:28.35 | smashie | and not tkc |
| 22:28.52 | smashie | but it was worth trying to get rid of me treke :) |
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| 22:29.11 | treke|laptop | No, it was worth trying to see if the bug is in oz or if it's a hardware problem |
| 22:29.23 | smashie | well |
| 22:29.27 | ljp | well, if it happens with another rom, your flash memory might be bad |
| 22:29.42 | smashie | I doubt its a bug in OZ as thousand of other users have exactly the same specs than I do |
| 22:29.46 | smashie | and they dont have any problems |
| 22:29.59 | smashie | ljp 'might be bad' why should it? |
| 22:30.03 | ljp | have you tried another version of OZ? |
| 22:30.17 | smashie | nope |
| 22:30.39 | treke|laptop | smashie: There arent that many reasons why your FS would randomly corupt itself |
| 22:30.58 | treke|laptop | hardware problems are one of them |
| 22:31.07 | smashie | before I tried running game, all was working fine tho |
| 22:31.22 | smashie | anmd how / why should teh flash mem gets corrupt |
| 22:31.31 | smashie | I doubt it *just* gets corrupt, does it? |
| 22:35.14 | treke|laptop | when you come asking for help, it tends to work better when you don't just disregard advice. |
| 22:35.55 | smashie | I dont |
| 22:35.55 | smashie | its just you seem not knowing what you're talking about |
| 22:35.56 | smashie | you say it might be a hardware error, but you cant tell what should cause this |
| 22:36.03 | smashie | I doubt things *just* get broken, do they? |
| 22:36.04 | smashie | .. |
| 22:36.36 | treke|laptop | it can happen. Could be caused by a dropped device, could be caused by the flash being worn out |
| 22:37.08 | treke|laptop | could be a power problem. Lot's of things can cause it, it helps to figure out what the exact problem is, and from the sounds of it, it isn't an OZ problem. |
| 22:37.16 | smashie | you said its unlikeley happening ( the flash worn out ) |
| 22:37.25 | treke|laptop | It id unlikely to happen |
| 22:37.34 | smashie | ahh ok just rebooted and again it gets frozen |
| 22:37.35 | treke|laptop | unlikely != impossible |
| 22:37.42 | smashie | I really hate it now |
| 22:38.11 | treke|laptop | the easy was to figure it out is to just try tkcrom or something else |
| 22:38.19 | catskul | anyone ver compile atk for arm ? |
| 22:38.21 | catskul | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.34 | treke|laptop | a while back |
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| 22:38.52 | smashie | treke well I doubt it supports my wlan card, and if it doesnt I cant d/l anything thus I cant try to reproduce the problem |
| 22:39.06 | treke|laptop | just fucking try it |
| 22:39.12 | catskul | it keeps tellin me that : checking for GLIB - version >= 2.0.0... no |
| 22:39.23 | catskul | I have PKG_CONFIG_PATH set correctly |
| 22:39.35 | treke|laptop | do you have your distributions glib-dev package along with glib for arm? |
| 22:40.02 | catskul | I just compiled glib for arm from source |
| 22:40.18 | catskul | i placed the include dirs in all the correct places |
| 22:40.25 | treke|laptop | try --disable-glibtest |
| 22:40.34 | mickeyl | smashie: you use oz 3.3.5 on collie? if so, give 3.3.6-pre1 a try. fixes many problems |
| 22:40.41 | catskul | I have that set, but it seems to ignore it |
| 22:40.43 | mickeyl | for some |
| 22:40.44 | catskul | pkg-config --cflags --lib glib-2.0 |
| 22:40.48 | catskul | produces the correct dirs |
| 22:41.06 | catskul | and all of the .h files are under there |
| 22:41.20 | catskul | config.log says it cant find glib.h |
| 22:41.39 | smashie | mickeyl well I'll try |
| 22:41.49 | catskul | find /opt/cross/arm-linux/include/ -name glib.h |
| 22:41.49 | catskul | /opt/cross/arm-linux/include/glib-2.0/glib/glib.h |
| 22:41.49 | catskul | /opt/cross/arm-linux/include/glib-2.0/glib.h |
| 22:42.11 | catskul | pkg-config --cflags --libs glib-2.0 |
| 22:42.12 | catskul | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:43.05 | catskul | echo $PKG_CONFIG_PATH |
| 22:43.06 | catskul | /opt/cross/arm-linux/lib/ |
| 22:43.26 | catskul | ll /opt/cross/arm-linux/lib/glib-2.0.pc |
| 22:43.26 | catskul | -rw-r--r-- 1 root 250 283 Jan 1 17:14 /opt/cross/arm-linux/lib/glib-2.0.pc |
| 22:44.25 | catskul | it just doesn seem to be getting the CFLAGS or CLIBS from pkg-config |
| 22:44.52 | smashie | mickeyl what to use poodle or collie? |
| 22:45.28 | treke|laptop | collie is 5500 |
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| 22:45.32 | treke|laptop | poodle is 5600 |
| 22:45.38 | SnoopyX | hi all |
| 22:49.02 | catskul | anyone else ever run into glib problems trying to compile atk for arm? |
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| 22:51.08 | netzwurm | hey |
| 22:51.22 | zaurino | what are the major changes in 3.3.6 ? |
| 22:51.52 | Cameron | the touchscreen library is screwed up for no one except me :) nothing other than that ;-) |
| 22:52.04 | Cameron | zaurino: I think there's a good changelog on the site there. |
| 22:52.20 | catskul | zaurino: the usbnet modules work : ) |
| 22:52.42 | Cameron | suspend/resume is faster and more reliable |
| 22:53.11 | zaurino | i can't find the changelog of 3.3.6 |
| 22:53.24 | zaurino | on www.openzaurus.org |
| 22:53.40 | zaurino | it's in some not public folder? |
| 22:54.53 | catskul | i think README has some stuff about what changed |
| 22:54.56 | Cameron | hehe |
| 22:55.00 | Cameron | definitely |
| 22:55.11 | Cameron | it is the best OZ changelog I've seen yet |
| 22:55.31 | zaurino | WHERE is the rom and readme ? |
| 22:55.44 | mickeyl | i only can point you to the topic once |
| 22:55.52 | mickeyl | or did it change since i last change it? |
| 22:55.56 | mickeyl | no it didn't |
| 22:57.15 | Cameron | /official *cough* *cough* |
| 22:57.37 | zaurino | i see : libxine1 makes noise again |
| 22:57.41 | zaurino | uh ? |
| 22:57.56 | Cameron | :: nothing :: |
| 22:57.58 | smashie | treke arg I guess I got the problem I just inserted my cf card into my cardreader and somehow I didnt rename the zImage-xxxx to zImage |
| 22:58.30 | catskul | Cameron: its there |
| 22:58.46 | Cameron | I know. that's not what I meant by nothing |
| 22:58.53 | Cameron | n/m was more like it |
| 22:59.22 | Cameron | What's a good feed for the normal Sharp ROM? |
| 23:05.58 | pasky | there's 3.3.6 ? |
| 23:06.06 | pasky | newest I can see is 3.3.6-pre1 |
| 23:07.15 | mickeyl | newest is 3.3.6-pre1 |
| 23:07.49 | mickeyl | (compare with the channel topic... if noone reads that we can delete it) |
| 23:08.49 | pasky | mickeyl: btw, what about the buzzer, does it work? README.FIRST says it doesn't in 3.3.5 but it isn't in the TODO list for 3.3.6 |
| 23:09.16 | mickeyl | the todo list is by no means complete |
| 23:09.42 | mickeyl | i don't think there will be much more work on kernel 2.4.18-embedix |
| 23:09.51 | mickeyl | (at least not by myself) |
| 23:10.13 | mickeyl | and 2.4.21-cl already contains the buzzer patch |
| 23:10.22 | mickeyl | in fact, it was first in that kernel |
| 23:11.11 | SnoopyX | i've just installed 3.3.6pre1 on a b500... i can't use networking: usb0 is up without ip and when i set ip in networking setting, it seems not to read that infos... |
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| 23:11.42 | pasky | hmm.. I guess I'll better wait for oz with the buzzer patch before I'll start experimentating ;) |
| 23:11.44 | mickeyl | getting mixed reports on that. works for some people, doesn't for some. noone bothers to give exact information though... |
| 23:11.51 | mickeyl | pasky: that can take loooong |
| 23:12.26 | mickeyl | 2.4.21-cl has been in parking position for more than 6 months, so i wouldn't hold my breath |
| 23:14.00 | pasky | mickeyl: well I'll be trying initrd of some OZ-3.2+Opie-1.03 now, so I'll see how happy will I be :) |
| 23:15.46 | mickeyl | hmm... good luck. although going back to 2.4.6 is very brave once you get used to the speed of 2.4.18 |
| 23:16.43 | pasky | mickeyl: I'm on plain OZ-3.2 now (and _very_ annoyed ;) |
| 23:16.52 | treke|laptop | now we need 2.6.4 |
| 23:16.53 | treke|laptop | :) |
| 23:17.09 | pasky | mickeyl: BTW, http://xmms-embedded.sf.net/ says 2002-12-15 xmms feed is not updated anymore, as xmms is now part of OpenZaurus, and available from any recent oz feed! |
| 23:17.17 | pasky | mickeyl: but I can't see xmms in any of the oz feeds |
| 23:17.34 | treke|laptop | it doesnt build with gcc 3.3 |
| 23:18.21 | pasky | however I'd guess it to be at least in the stable feed, which I guess isn't compiled w/ gcc-3.3 yet |
| 23:18.50 | treke|laptop | hmmm, it's not in oz 3.2? |
| 23:19.11 | pasky | nope |
| 23:19.17 | pasky | only opie-mediaplayer2 |
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| 23:20.03 | pasky | BTW, the links to testing and unstable feeds at http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/content/download?release_id=7 are broken |
| 23:21.54 | mickeyl | so many issues, so few people... |
| 23:24.42 | Cameron | Anyone know what's with Speex and the Zaurus? It's totally not available yet unlike Tremor/Vorbis? |
| 23:25.05 | treke|laptop | what is speex? |
| 23:26.20 | Cameron | Speex is to Speech/Voice as Vorbis is to Music |
| 23:26.25 | treke|laptop | sweet |
| 23:26.27 | Cameron | it's an Ogg project |
| 23:27.38 | treke|laptop | wonder if xine supports it |
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| 23:50.39 | tuxoverflowZ | does the beta have the new 2.6 kernel |
| 23:51.06 | treke|laptop | no |
| 23:51.21 | tuxoverflowZ | will it be in the release |
| 23:51.23 | treke|laptop | no |
| 23:52.12 | tuxoverflowZ | im still runnin oz 3.w |
| 23:52.25 | tuxoverflowZ | 3.2 |
| 23:52.26 | tuxoverflowZ | sorry |
| 23:52.36 | tuxoverflowZ | opie 1.2 |
| 23:53.00 | tuxoverflowZ | i would like to install opie 1.3 |
| 23:53.23 | tuxoverflowZ | but i think it may be a lot of trouble |
| 23:53.27 | treke|laptop | probaly |
| 23:53.44 | treke|laptop | you can try it the same way you got 1.0.2 on there |
| 23:53.46 | tuxoverflowZ | for what its worth |
| 23:54.01 | tuxoverflowZ | i got it built in |
| 23:54.13 | tuxoverflowZ | from opie site |
| 23:54.40 | tuxoverflowZ | oz 3.2 with opie 1.2 built in |
| 23:55.25 | treke|laptop | you can try asking them to update |
| 23:56.42 | tuxoverflowZ | yes im going to |
| 23:56.43 | tuxoverflowZ | what are you running |
| 23:57.00 | treke|laptop | a custome image. |
| 23:57.19 | tuxoverflowZ | ahh |
| 23:57.29 | tuxoverflowZ | what is based on oz |
| 23:57.38 | treke|laptop | yes, it's based on oz |
| 23:57.51 | tuxoverflowZ | what opie |
| 23:58.12 | treke|laptop | 1.1.0-2003-12-29 |
| 23:58.35 | tuxoverflowZ | is that old |
| 23:58.56 | treke|laptop | no it's 3 days ago... |
| 23:59.05 | tuxoverflowZ | wow |
| 23:59.11 | tuxoverflowZ | coool |
| 23:59.34 | tuxoverflowZ | is it running good |
| 23:59.38 | treke|laptop | runs fine for me |