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| 08:26.52 | PlsHelp | anyone here has a zaurus..i need help ..urgently!! |
| 08:27.26 | zakk | what is wrong |
| 08:28.20 | PlsHelp | zakk: basically its like this: i installed kismet onto zaurus...but i cant seem to recognise the wifi card |
| 08:28.32 | zakk | how is that urget? |
| 08:28.34 | zakk | urgent |
| 08:29.26 | PlsHelp | dont even know if installation's a success..forgive me for my stupid questions..but i have to start sumwhere |
| 08:29.26 | PlsHelp | newbie... |
| 08:29.26 | PlsHelp | :( |
| 08:29.26 | zakk | how is that urgent? |
| 08:29.30 | zakk | whatever, it isn't. |
| 08:29.32 | PlsHelp | urgent cos mi life savings depend onit |
| 08:29.39 | zakk | I'll be back in a bit |
| 08:29.42 | PlsHelp | woah...thats cruel,dude... |
| 08:29.47 | PlsHelp | :( |
| 08:30.48 | ljp | did you search zaurus.com forums yet? |
| 08:31.41 | PlsHelp | ljp: slight problem: i did...in fact the software download is gotten frm the links provided |
| 08:32.17 | PlsHelp | now how do i ascertain if kismet is properly installed???can sum1 here help.. |
| 08:36.56 | ljp | isnt kismet a commandline program? |
| 08:40.00 | PlsHelp | sorry ..i dont know what the question means..im a total newbie... |
| 08:40.23 | ljp | it has no gui, you need to run it from embeddedkonsole |
| 08:40.49 | PlsHelp | heard abt console thing in the installation guide..waz that..:( |
| 08:40.56 | PlsHelp | console = ??? |
| 08:43.03 | ljp | its like running command.com in windows |
| 08:43.22 | ljp | or cmd.exe |
| 08:51.31 | PlsHelp | ic.. |
| 08:51.51 | PlsHelp | i know nothing bout linux..and got myself a linux pda... |
| 08:52.03 | PlsHelp | what a fool i am!!! |
| 08:52.10 | PlsHelp | now im in deep shit!! |
| 08:52.13 | ljp | naaa.. |
| 08:52.14 | PlsHelp | :~( |
| 08:52.53 | ljp | there is a gui sniffer though |
| 08:53.37 | PlsHelp | i installed a gui(kismet) sniffer..but how do i check if its working |
| 08:54.04 | ljp | if its a gui, then it probably has an icon |
| 08:54.23 | PlsHelp | ic..im charging now..will check the icon... |
| 08:56.10 | ljp | you might need to install kismet also http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=116 |
| 08:58.41 | PlsHelp | up..i downloaded this exactly... |
| 08:58.52 | PlsHelp | ended up with much grief |
| 08:58.53 | PlsHelp | :( |
| 09:00.48 | ljp | which gui did you download, because the kismet guis require kismet |
| 09:01.09 | PlsHelp | i download two files into my zaurus frm pc... |
| 09:01.21 | PlsHelp | i show u the name..let me see |
| 09:01.44 | PlsHelp | its like kismet-qt_2.***... |
| 09:01.48 | ljp | http://www.vanille.de/projects/wellenreiter.html |
| 09:02.04 | ljp | hmm, you on sharp rom? |
| 09:02.58 | PlsHelp | yes...i think..it the default rom..i jus got it for a day.... |
| 09:03.13 | ljp | http://www.vanille.de/feed/sharp/ |
| 09:03.14 | PlsHelp | i think that meakes it sharp... |
| 09:03.29 | ljp | ya, I think you can use that feed ipkg there for sharp |
| 09:03.42 | ljp | wellenreiter is nice |
| 09:04.12 | PlsHelp | does it function like kismet??? |
| 09:04.24 | PlsHelp | is it better in its functions.. |
| 09:05.26 | PlsHelp | i dont mind using this instead of kismet...have u ever installed it before?? |
| 09:05.31 | ljp | yes and yes |
| 09:05.40 | ljp | and yes |
| 09:05.42 | PlsHelp | wow!!! |
| 09:06.03 | ljp | and mickey is a core opie developer and is usually on this channel |
| 09:06.10 | ljp | mickeyl: ping |
| 09:06.19 | PlsHelp | really....can u teach me how to install...my zaurus is charging up soon...i will delete kismet and reinstall.. |
| 09:06.22 | ljp | might be asleep still |
| 09:06.57 | PlsHelp | u installed it onto..what machine?? |
| 09:06.59 | PlsHelp | may i ask? |
| 09:06.59 | ljp | install it from that feed url I gave you |
| 09:07.05 | ljp | zaurus |
| 09:07.08 | PlsHelp | ok... |
| 09:07.15 | PlsHelp | u have a zaurus too..?? |
| 09:07.16 | ljp | I have several zaurus |
| 09:07.19 | PlsHelp | wat model// |
| 09:07.35 | PlsHelp | ok... |
| 09:07.49 | PlsHelp | i will wait for the charging to be over... |
| 09:07.52 | ljp | I own two 5000d, on my desk at work, I have a 5500, two c700, one a300, soon to get 5600, and 6000 |
| 09:08.06 | ljp | and an ipaq |
| 09:08.11 | PlsHelp | how do i uninstall the already installed kismet???? |
| 09:08.11 | ljp | :D |
| 09:08.13 | PlsHelp | wow.... |
| 09:08.30 | ljp | on the settings tab, there is a software package manager |
| 09:08.33 | PlsHelp | im impressed..and i very grateful for yr help..and advise... |
| 09:08.39 | PlsHelp | thanks a million... |
| 09:08.52 | ljp | well, all those machines are my employers |
| 09:09.18 | PlsHelp | oic.... |
| 09:10.01 | PlsHelp | software packket manager..ok..noted...need to fire up to see it tho...but im already feeling much better.... |
| 09:10.03 | PlsHelp | :) |
| 09:10.13 | PlsHelp | thanks..theres still hope... |
| 09:10.41 | PlsHelp | can u pls help me thru the whole process... |
| 09:10.54 | PlsHelp | would really appreciate that.. |
| 09:11.00 | PlsHelp | ever so grateful |
| 09:11.01 | PlsHelp | :) |
| 09:11.10 | ljp | its easy |
| 09:11.35 | PlsHelp | i know..but after the kismet incident..im almost afraid to mess with zaurus.. |
| 09:11.43 | ljp | mickey can tell you more about wellenreiter, but there is a wellenreiter help package so you can help yourself |
| 09:12.01 | PlsHelp | let me see..if i can find it... |
| 09:13.09 | PlsHelp | how come theres no download link??? |
| 09:13.22 | PlsHelp | where can i dwnload the software?? |
| 09:13.26 | ljp | cause its in a feed |
| 09:13.29 | ljp | http://www.vanille.de/feed/sharp/ |
| 09:13.44 | ljp | put that url in the package manager 'install from network' |
| 09:14.05 | ljp | if you have net access, that is on your device |
| 09:14.44 | PlsHelp | i cannot access net frm zaurs..can i download it to my pc..then transfer the file over to zaurus?? |
| 09:15.04 | ljp | ya, you will probably need all those files, except the camera one |
| 09:15.42 | ljp | but if you dont have net access from your zaurus, why are you installing a sniffer? |
| 09:17.07 | PlsHelp | i'm getting my ap soon but money's tight! |
| 09:17.19 | PlsHelp | just paid a ransom for my zaurus.. |
| 09:17.21 | PlsHelp | :( |
| 09:18.05 | PlsHelp | i see the index/feed/sharp... just download every file into the zaurus,rite??? |
| 09:19.02 | ljp | yes |
| 09:19.37 | PlsHelp | den click on them in the internal flash of zaurus to install..?? |
| 09:19.50 | PlsHelp | i can't wait.. |
| 09:19.55 | PlsHelp | :) |
| 09:20.00 | PlsHelp | charging still |
| 09:20.18 | ljp | you can open the package manager also, and select all of the files at once |
| 09:20.53 | PlsHelp | packet manager is in the feed page itself..or in my zaurus... |
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| 09:21.11 | PlsHelp | sorry my zaurus is only aday old..havent explored it totally |
| 09:21.17 | ljp | its the software thing on your z |
| 09:21.31 | ljp | 'add software' I think |
| 09:21.36 | PlsHelp | ok..i will look real hard for it |
| 09:21.39 | ljp | settings tab |
| 09:21.45 | PlsHelp | i remember that icon..yes it has one |
| 09:21.46 | PlsHelp | :) |
| 09:21.51 | PlsHelp | yes.. |
| 09:22.40 | ljp | thats the package manager |
| 09:23.27 | PlsHelp | when i uninstall kismet..... how shold i go about doing it? |
| 09:23.42 | ljp | with the package manager :) |
| 09:23.44 | PlsHelp | use the add/remove icon(i rememebr it noe) |
| 09:23.59 | PlsHelp | ic... |
| 09:24.50 | PlsHelp | how long does yr zaurus take to charge??? and when do u think is the best time to charge..when close to empty batt..or half batt.. |
| 09:24.52 | PlsHelp | or..??? |
| 09:25.02 | PlsHelp | any advise?? |
| 09:25.17 | PlsHelp | i want to prolong the batt as long as possible |
| 09:25.18 | PlsHelp | :) |
| 09:26.15 | ljp | first chrge best to leave it over ngiht, takes a couple hours |
| 09:26.26 | kan0 | it is a lithium ion batt so charge in small top ups |
| 09:26.49 | kan0 | iirc it is worse for the battery to do complete discharges and charges |
| 09:26.57 | ljp | best to drain it, and cahrge completely |
| 09:27.11 | kan0 | for LiIon? |
| 09:27.26 | ljp | I believe so |
| 09:27.41 | ljp | thats what I do, and have had abattery work fine for two years so far |
| 09:27.46 | PlsHelp | errm... so what u mean is to charge it when its quite full...charge in small amounts so to speak..... |
| 09:28.03 | kan0 | most phones use LiIon now and they say to give top up charges. NiCad was better to discharge and charge to avoid the memory effect |
| 09:28.07 | PlsHelp | charging when batt is very low is bad for batt life?? |
| 09:28.25 | ljp | no |
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| 09:29.27 | kan0 | http://www.batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm |
| 09:29.31 | PlsHelp | ljp: my zaurus is up and running.... |
| 09:29.33 | PlsHelp | :) |
| 09:29.42 | PlsHelp | can we start right now... |
| 09:29.44 | PlsHelp | :) |
| 09:33.21 | ljp | go ahead |
| 09:33.42 | ljp | :) |
| 09:34.10 | PlsHelp | i remove everything related to kismet already... |
| 09:34.38 | PlsHelp | remove software..den delete the files one by one... |
| 09:34.53 | PlsHelp | it a clean slate..i hope,right? |
| 09:35.42 | ljp | remove which files one by one? |
| 09:36.22 | PlsHelp | i remove with add/remove software... |
| 09:36.46 | PlsHelp | but my settings tab...network still kismet...tcp/ip something.. |
| 09:36.58 | PlsHelp | so i deleted them one by omne..only two... |
| 09:37.18 | ljp | ahh, ok. just the ipkgs. thats fine |
| 09:37.35 | PlsHelp | den i deleted one by noe the two kismet files in the internal flash.. |
| 09:37.39 | PlsHelp | sounds right to u??? |
| 09:37.40 | PlsHelp | :) |
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| 09:41.00 | PlsHelp | ljp: i downloaded all the files alreay....syncing to zaurus now.. |
| 09:41.07 | PlsHelp | correct? |
| 09:41.11 | ljp | sure.. |
| 09:44.15 | PlsHelp | its sync...now all in zaurus internal flash |
| 09:44.22 | PlsHelp | next step... |
| 09:44.27 | PlsHelp | ? |
| 09:45.41 | PlsHelp | u there? |
| 09:47.51 | PlsHelp | installed first file....dialog box says extract og some files failed....app may noy execute properly... |
| 09:48.01 | PlsHelp | u there,ljp? |
| 09:54.35 | PlsHelp | are u there? iinstalled all the files already.. |
| 09:54.48 | ljp | you should be able to select all the files at the same time |
| 09:54.53 | PlsHelp | i realised something....its opie-based isit? |
| 09:55.05 | PlsHelp | im running default sharp rom.. |
| 09:55.06 | ljp | that one will work oin sharp rom |
| 09:55.13 | PlsHelp | never flash the rom |
| 09:55.44 | PlsHelp | ohh....tis sniffer will only work in sharp rom?? |
| 09:55.56 | PlsHelp | if thats true....im so relieved! |
| 09:56.35 | PlsHelp | i click on wellenreiter icon... |
| 09:56.41 | PlsHelp | nothing happens? |
| 09:56.43 | PlsHelp | y? |
| 09:59.41 | ljp | hmm |
| 10:00.07 | PlsHelp | :( |
| 10:02.27 | PlsHelp | the hr glass appears for awhile...den disappears..nothing is launched..nothing happened...is it becos just now....the dialog box say .dialog box says extract og some files failed....app may noy execute properly... |
| 10:02.32 | PlsHelp | is it? |
| 10:02.37 | PlsHelp | :( |
| 10:02.41 | PlsHelp | pls help |
| 10:04.29 | ljp | doesnt seem lik ethats working |
| 10:04.45 | ljp | there may be another feed for sharop somewhere |
| 10:05.11 | PlsHelp | i think i better give u my zaurus details.... |
| 10:08.18 | ljp | naaa |
| 10:08.53 | PlsHelp | sl-5600,embedix plus pda version 2,opera browser version 6,insignia jeode java vm version pda,qtopia for embedix plus pda version 1.5.4,linux kernel version 2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix compiled by sharp,rom version:1.00v |
| 10:09.29 | PlsHelp | thats the details...wII can be used with these>>?? |
| 10:09.33 | PlsHelp | :( |
| 10:10.21 | PlsHelp | can u pls help me.... |
| 10:10.21 | PlsHelp | :( |
| 10:10.47 | ljp | if you get one for sharp rom, it should |
| 10:11.12 | PlsHelp | where??? |
| 10:11.18 | PlsHelp | to find them?? |
| 10:11.23 | ljp | that feed I gave you. not sure why its not working |
| 10:11.36 | ljp | you can hang around and wait for mickey |
| 10:12.04 | ljp | he would know where the best wellenreiter for sharp rom would be |
| 10:12.08 | PlsHelp | whens mickey coming in... |
| 10:12.13 | PlsHelp | ok..i will wait |
| 10:12.31 | PlsHelp | when's he coming in... |
| 10:12.33 | PlsHelp | ??? |
| 10:12.36 | PlsHelp | any idea?? |
| 10:12.50 | ljp | he lives in germany, so I am not sure |
| 10:13.09 | PlsHelp | ok... |
| 10:34.03 | PlsHelp | i tried frma noither sie...this time even worse... |
| 10:34.14 | PlsHelp | no doewnlaod at all to zaurus.. |
| 10:34.29 | PlsHelp | whats with the corruoted downloads??? |
| 10:34.31 | PlsHelp | :( |
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| 17:03.29 | kmarty | hi all |
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| 17:30.07 | sunny | hi guys, anyone install the latest on a 5600 ? |
| 17:43.54 | benpol | I have a 5600 with 3.3.6pre1 on it. |
| 17:45.39 | sunny | benpol: how did you install it ? |
| 17:45.57 | sunny | benpol: no matter what I do, my MD5 hashes never match what is on the website |
| 17:46.05 | sunny | and I'm downloading on my linux machine |
| 17:47.03 | benpol | Hmm. I just downloaded the files from http://www.openzaurus.org/official/experimental/poodle/3.3.6-pre1/ and didn't have a problem with MD5sums... |
| 17:47.14 | benpol | Is that where you got your files? |
| 17:47.31 | sunny | I was using the openzaurus.org website, yes |
| 17:48.06 | sunny | I can try again |
| 17:48.07 | sunny | grr |
| 17:49.17 | benpol | I just verified again that my MD5sums were OK. |
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| 17:50.25 | benpol | I downloaded that release on Dec 30. If you've downloaded more recently perhaps the files have changed without having the MD5SUMS file being updated.... |
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| 17:51.26 | edwardam | My zaurus doesn't seem to be flashing. It's a 5600 ... I put the zImage and initrd.bin files on a flash card (FAT16 formatted) .. .do I need the updater.sh and ipks.tar as well? |
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| 17:52.23 | benpol | edwardam: you absolutely need the updater.sh file. That is an encoded script the takes care of the entire flash procedure. |
| 17:53.08 | benpol | The ipks.tar is just a tar archive of all of the ipks that make up the 3.3.6pre1 release. |
| 17:53.28 | benpol | Not all of those files are installed when you flash. |
| 17:54.47 | sunny | oh man, I didn't even know one needed updater.sh for the 5600 ... the instructions never mentioned them |
| 17:57.57 | edwardam | thanks ... gonna try again. :-) |
| 17:58.09 | benpol | Good luck! :) |
| 17:58.35 | edwardam | a flashing we will go. a flashing we will go ... :-) |
| 17:59.01 | edwardam | hi ho the merry o ... a flashing we will go. :-) |
| 18:02.25 | sunny | no go for me :/ |
| 18:02.54 | benpol | Are your MD5sums correct now? |
| 18:03.00 | sunny | yes, oddly enough |
| 18:03.24 | sunny | I have initrd.bin zImage and updater.sh in root of the compact flash card |
| 18:03.51 | sunny | I pop the compact flash in, hold the C+D buttons, push the reset button, and the Z just flashes |
| 18:04.29 | sunny | the email and batter light flash |
| 18:04.32 | benpol | The way I've always done it is like this: |
| 18:04.56 | benpol | 1st- power off/suspend the zaurus |
| 18:05.16 | benpol | 2nd- wait 5 seconds and then press the reset button inside the battery compartment |
| 18:05.21 | edwardam | Is the 5000D version fairly stable compared to the 5600 version? (I have both zauri) |
| 18:05.45 | benpol | 3rd- Turn on the zaurus with the Cancel and OK buttons held down |
| 18:06.13 | benpol | 4th- this brings you to the "maintenance" window |
| 18:06.17 | edwardam | benpol, what about C+D+reset button under battery cover? |
| 18:06.36 | benpol | From here you select update |
| 18:06.36 | edwardam | that's what I'm doing. Will that work? |
| 18:06.39 | sunny | benpol: ah, danke, will do |
| 18:07.14 | benpol | I've never tried holding C+D+reset (perhaps thats a pre 5600 thing? |
| 18:07.31 | edwardam | okay. I'll stop what's going on now and do it the other way. |
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| 18:08.11 | benpol | At any rate 3.3.6pre1 definitely seems like the best OZ release for the 5600 so far. |
| 18:08.29 | treke|laptop | yes. out of all two of them. |
| 18:08.30 | edwardam | benpol, 3.3.6pre1 ? |
| 18:08.52 | edwardam | benpol, I downloaded the 3.3.5 stuff .. where is 3.3.6pre1? |
| 18:08.58 | benpol | But of course it still has some bugs, most notably for me is that usb networking doesn't come back up after waking from sleep. |
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| 18:09.34 | benpol | http://www.openzaurus.org/official/experimental/poodle/3.3.6-pre1/ |
| 18:10.03 | sunny | benpol: does wifi work ? |
| 18:10.23 | benpol | Wish I had a wifi card to try it with! :) |
| 18:11.58 | sunny | oh, hehe |
| 18:12.12 | sunny | benpol: do you do all of this with the power cable in ? |
| 18:12.52 | benpol | sunny: Yes, I think you *have* to flash with the AC power connected. |
| 18:13.48 | benpol | treke|laptop: Well I've tried the builds that Matthew Swabey did early on... :) |
| 18:14.24 | benpol | treke|laptop: They were a fun preview, but pretty unusable... |
| 18:14.49 | sunny | benpol: mine doesn't turn on with Cancel + OK |
| 18:14.55 | sunny | benpol: is there anything else I mush push ? |
| 18:15.01 | edwardam | benpol, I can't get the menu with Cancel/OK held down ... I'll have to relly on C+D+reset |
| 18:15.24 | edwardam | s/relly/rely/ |
| 18:16.09 | edwardam | sunny, same here |
| 18:16.37 | benpol | edwardam: Hmm. It's always worked for me. I must not be explaining myself clearly enough. |
| 18:16.57 | edwardam | benpol, well, by turn on with Cancel/OK what do you mean then |
| 18:17.00 | sunny | benpol: is there a guide for all of this ? |
| 18:17.06 | benpol | Or perhaps the 5600 that I got on ebay that was shipped from Singapore is different than yours... :) |
| 18:17.32 | edwardam | benpol, no I think I remember the Cancel/OK thing as well from some point. |
| 18:17.52 | edwardam | benpol, I think I used it at one point when dealing with the TKcROM |
| 18:18.36 | edwardam | benpol, well lemme give this 15-20 minutes to flash using the C+D+reset way and see if it finishes. |
| 18:19.36 | benpol | edwardam: if it's working you'll see some feedback on the screen. Little dots marching towards the 100% mark. |
| 18:19.57 | edwardam | benpol, not with C+D+reset |
| 18:20.10 | sunny | :( |
| 18:20.16 | sunny | there are no guides ? |
| 18:20.26 | edwardam | benpol, at least I've never seen it like that. |
| 18:20.42 | benpol | sunny: I found most of the flashing documentation on the Sharp site.. Let me see if I can find the file.... |
| 18:21.46 | benpol | Guess I've never tried the C+D+reset method since the other method has always worked for me. :/ |
| 18:25.59 | sunny | benpol: where would you find this document for flashing ? |
| 18:26.58 | benpol | On the sharp zaurus/dev site along with the first ROM update for the 5600. The site (http://www.zaurus.com/dev/index.htm) is responding rather slowly right now.... |
| 18:28.07 | edwardam | benpol, I'm waiting for it to load as well. :-( |
| 18:28.10 | benpol | Here it is: http://www.zaurus.com/dev/support/flashrom_update_sl5600v100.htm |
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| 18:30.32 | edwardam | ahhh |
| 18:30.39 | edwardam | running update via the gui now |
| 18:30.46 | sunny | edwardam: how ?! |
| 18:30.52 | sunny | edwardam: what did you do ? |
| 18:31.06 | edwardam | follow the instructions on that site ... use the files from the link benpool provided. |
| 18:31.28 | edwardam | http://www.openzaurus.org/official/experimental/poodle/3.3.6-pre1/ |
| 18:31.28 | edwardam | for files |
| 18:31.58 | edwardam | basically turn of zaurus ... do a full reset ... put the cover back on ... hold down the 'OK' button ... |
| 18:32.17 | edwardam | then push 'Cancel' and release both buttons ... should get menu after a few seconds.. |
| 18:33.27 | benpol | After the flash is complete you'll find that everying in /home is still there. The /home partition is untouched by the OZ flash procedure. |
| 18:33.52 | benpol | You'll also find that the OZ flash pretty nearly fills the / (root) partition. |
| 18:34.58 | benpol | If you want to install ipks subsequent to flashing you'll either need to install them to a CF/SD card *or* you can much around with your ipkg.conf and install to a new destination that you define in /home. (That's what I've done so far). |
| 18:35.25 | benpol | s/much/muck :) |
| 18:36.04 | edwardam | benpol, almost there ... initial boot process is going through |
| 18:38.57 | sunny | ok, going to try |
| 18:38.59 | sunny | wish me luck :) |
| 18:39.32 | benpol | You'll have fun as long as you're willing to hack and tweak things. |
| 18:39.48 | sunny | oh definately, I must have wifi >:) |
| 18:40.08 | sunny | ok, my zarus is off, going to do full reset with C+D+reset button |
| 18:41.12 | sunny | no go |
| 18:41.13 | sunny | ugh |
| 18:42.04 | benpol | sunny: did you get to the GUI update/flash menu? |
| 18:42.26 | sunny | no |
| 18:42.29 | sunny | this is what I did: |
| 18:42.43 | sunny | I put all three files in the compact flash |
| 18:42.58 | sunny | I put the compact flash in the Z |
| 18:43.10 | sunny | I pushed C + D + Full Reset for 5 seconds |
| 18:43.22 | sunny | my mail and battery lights start to blink |
| 18:43.25 | sunny | nothing happened |
| 18:43.47 | sunny | I hold OK .. and push cancel |
| 18:43.49 | sunny | still nothing |
| 18:43.53 | sunny | edwardam: does that look right ? |
| 18:44.11 | sunny | benpol ? |
| 18:44.43 | benpol | sunny: I've never use the C + D + Full Reset combo. |
| 18:45.30 | edwardam | sunny, follow the docs at http://www.zaurus.com/dev/support/flashrom_update_sl5600v100.ht ... I did an it worked |
| 18:45.42 | edwardam | sunny, make sure your CF card is FAT16 formatted btw. |
| 18:46.20 | edwardam | now if I could only sync with Evolution. :-) ... gotta see if multisync supports the current versions of opie. :-) |
| 18:46.52 | benpol | sunny: when I've flashed I've just opened up the battery compartment, waited 5 seconds or so, then pressed the reset button (with the stylus) that's inside the battery compartment. Your 5600 should now be completely off. Now press OK, *then* press Cancel and you should get the update menu. |
| 18:47.54 | edwardam | benpol, the fonts look a little messed up. Is that the default? |
| 18:48.16 | edwardam | benpol, like they are too big |
| 18:49.22 | benpol | edwardam: They can be changed using the Appearance app in the Settings tab. |
| 18:49.41 | edwardam | benpol, yeah ... I can't find a good setting. either too big or too small. |
| 18:49.45 | benpol | edwardam: they were too big for me too, but they're fine now. |
| 18:50.32 | benpol | I like font: helvetica style: regular size: 10 |
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| 18:52.14 | edwardam | benpol, thanks, that's good. any way to change the background ... it's hard to read the icon text with the wacky (although nice) background |
| 18:53.13 | benpol | edwardam: haven't bother trying to change the background yet. Too busy playing qpe-nethack! :) |
| 18:54.34 | benpol | (which works fine, using the compat libs) |
| 18:55.34 | sunny | it works! |
| 18:56.27 | edwardam | benpol, what's the default ssh password for root? |
| 18:57.06 | benpol | edwardam: Um. nothing at all... but you can set a password with the passwd command. |
| 18:59.16 | edwardam | benpol, hmm can't ssh in .. even after changing passwd |
| 18:59.47 | benpol | edwardm: are you sure usb networking is up? if so are you sure that ssh is running? |
| 19:00.35 | sunny | whoa |
| 19:00.38 | sunny | "CF card not found" |
| 19:00.40 | sunny | this can't be good |
| 19:00.55 | edwardam | ssh is running and usb is up |
| 19:01.18 | edwardam | oh dug ... wait |
| 19:02.02 | edwardam | wrong ip. :-) |
| 19:03.10 | edwardam | any major problems with SD cards on the 5600 with 3.3.6pre1 ? |
| 19:03.36 | benpol | edwardm: I only have SD cards right now. |
| 19:03.59 | benpol | edwardm: s/SD/CF I only have CF cards now! :) |
| 19:04.37 | edwardam | benpol, ahh ... I have a large SD card ... and a 802.11b cf card ... I'll play |
| 19:04.39 | kan0 | had some grief with cheapo SD cards, the ones that are only a piece of PCB |
| 19:04.57 | edwardam | kan0, this is a Sandisk SD card IIRC .. |
| 19:05.02 | benpol | edwardam: Oooh! have fun. |
| 19:05.35 | edwardam | kan0, yeah a 256 Sandisk ... not really a cheapo card. |
| 19:05.49 | edwardam | benpol, hopefully |
| 19:05.57 | edwardam | benpol, P.S. Thanks for all the help. |
| 19:05.57 | kan0 | ahh, mine is ScanFlash |
| 19:06.19 | benpol | edwardam: glad to help! |
| 19:07.23 | edwardam | benpol, one more question ... I'm going to install pretty much everything onto the SD card (/mnt/card) ... it's been a while since I've used ipkg ... how do I do that? |
| 19:08.20 | benpol | edwardam: you can use the ipkg command or you can use the GUI package manager. |
| 19:08.45 | benpol | edwardam: you might want to use the GUI since it takes care of running ipkg-link after you install/uninstall a package. |
| 19:10.00 | benpol | edwardam: without the link step (linking files into the root filesystem you'll have trouble using the packages that you've installed. |
| 19:10.19 | edwardam | sunny, benpol, my 802.11b card works |
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| 19:11.07 | sunny | benpol: they are 35 bucks .... with shipping ... heh |
| 19:11.15 | sunny | edwardam: cool, I can't even updated to OZ yet |
| 19:12.03 | benpol | sunny: I really want to get one of the low power consumption wifi cards, since they suck up so much juice so quickly otherwise... |
| 19:12.31 | sunny | oo, which is a low power consumption card ? |
| 19:12.43 | sunny | I can only think of the linksys at 250 mA |
| 19:14.00 | pole | dang it... everyone is totally ignoring my post and replying with tangent information |
| 19:14.09 | sunny | YAY!! I see the update thing!! |
| 19:14.42 | edwardam | hmm strange |
| 19:15.38 | sunny | it says |
| 19:15.41 | sunny | "Please reset" |
| 19:15.47 | sunny | is there any particular way this is done ? |
| 19:16.07 | sunny | edwardam benpol ? |
| 19:16.33 | pole | shutdown in settings |
| 19:17.04 | sunny | but this is during the updater |
| 19:17.29 | pole | ?_? |
| 19:18.35 | sunny | oo, it works |
| 19:19.46 | edwardam | sunny, follow the steps |
| 19:20.00 | edwardam | sunny, the 'please reboot' is mentioned in the docs |
| 19:23.26 | sunny | ah, yeah, I see it |
| 19:23.31 | sunny | ah well, so long as it works :) |
| 19:25.36 | sunny | is everything always done as root ? |
| 19:25.37 | sunny | ? |
| 19:25.45 | kergoth | for now. |
| 19:26.03 | sunny | oh |
| 19:26.46 | sunny | what is the device name of the SD/MMC card ? |
| 19:26.54 | kergoth | mmcda / mmcda1 |
| 19:27.12 | edwardam | hmmm the wirelss card isn't setting up the default route |
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| 19:32.53 | sunny | thanks guy!! |
| 19:36.26 | edwardam | well dhcp does not seem to set a default route correctly |
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| 19:41.06 | edwardam | what feeds should I use for the 5600 ? |
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| 19:44.37 | benpol | edwardam: I've just used the packages that were released with 3.36pre1. I don't think much else will work (unless you use the compat libraries/wrapper). |
| 19:45.28 | benpol | edwardam: but I've got zsafe and qpe-nethack both working with those libraries. Had trouble with Hancom apps though (but I didn't care that much, so I didn't work too hard to find a fix). |
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| 19:47.48 | edwardam | benpol, thanks ... I put http://www.openzaurus.org/official/experimental/poodle/3.3.6-pre1/ipks/ in as a feed |
| 19:48.11 | benpol | edwardam: that's what I've done as well. |
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| 19:52.59 | edwardam | i'm getting operation not permitted when doing symlinking |
| 19:57.21 | edwardam | kan0, is you card formatted ext2 or vfat? |
| 19:57.42 | benpol | edwardam: vfat doesn't support symlinks... |
| 19:58.48 | edwardam | benpol, yeah but the symlinks work the other way ... to the card .. not on the card |
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| 20:06.34 | Mocara | hello all |
| 20:06.53 | Mocara | I have an sl-5500 and a buffalo WLI2-CF-S11 |
| 20:06.57 | Mocara | are these incompatible? |
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| 20:10.06 | sunny | hey guys |
| 20:10.08 | sunny | thanks for before |
| 20:10.17 | sunny | is there a way to peventing kernelout from being printed on the screen ? |
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| 20:14.06 | edwardam | sunny, echo 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/printk |
| 20:15.27 | sunny | edwardam: thanks |
| 20:15.30 | sunny | it was driving me nuts |
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| 20:39.04 | edwardam | well that killed the install |
| 20:39.11 | edwardam | time to do it again. |
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| 20:45.32 | xconduct | hi anyone out there |
| 20:45.37 | kergoth | no |
| 20:45.53 | xconduct | ok i will talk to myself |
| 20:46.07 | xconduct | so how are you xconduct? |
| 20:46.20 | xconduct | aaah fine thanks and you? |
| 20:46.31 | xconduct | :) |
| 20:46.38 | kergoth | heheh |
| 20:48.42 | xconduct | so what's happening here....plenty people but no action...i guess eveyone is thinking hey |
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| 21:01.46 | xconduct | kergoth how you doing? |
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| 21:29.16 | edwardam | hmm sound is broken |
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| 21:53.08 | sunny | edwardam: it is |
| 21:53.09 | sunny | ? |
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| 22:14.56 | sunny | do I have to compile mplayer for my 5600 ? |
| 22:29.17 | godsmoke | sunny: why would you say that? |
| 22:32.26 | sunny | godsmoke: I couldn't find the ipk for it |
| 22:35.28 | godsmoke | well |
| 22:35.33 | godsmoke | you must not have looked very hard |
| 22:35.55 | godsmoke | there are ipks on killefiz |
| 22:36.04 | treke|laptop | you must not know that you can't use them |
| 22:36.16 | godsmoke | I must not |
| 22:36.20 | JuNGLisT | lol there might be 3 or 4 different mplayer versions in ipk packages available |
| 22:36.43 | treke|laptop | iirc, mplayer build depends on xmms |
| 22:36.51 | treke|laptop | which wont build for 3.3.x |
| 22:37.02 | sunny | ah, well I as looking in the poodle dir and couldn't find it |
| 22:37.10 | sunny | treke|laptop: oh |
| 22:37.21 | sunny | how does one play divx proplery ? |
| 22:37.25 | sunny | tkcvideo ? |
| 22:37.28 | godsmoke | eh, openzaurus is not at a very stable point right now ... I don't use it |
| 22:37.31 | godsmoke | properly? |
| 22:37.38 | treke|laptop | :w |
| 22:38.02 | sunny | well, excuse my ignorance ... but I thought opie-mediaplayer2 couldn't play it ? |
| 22:38.22 | treke|laptop | it should be able to |
| 22:38.35 | godsmoke | i need a real pda |
| 22:38.39 | godsmoke | I should sell my zaurus |
| 22:39.13 | sunny | I just got mine, heh |
| 22:39.13 | sunny | 5600 for 300 on amazon.com |
| 22:39.13 | godsmoke | yeah |
| 22:39.14 | sunny | treke|ho1e: oh, woops, cool |
| 22:39.19 | sunny | err, treke|laptop |
| 22:39.22 | godsmoke | well, Zaurii really make shitty PDAs ... if you need PDAs for "traditional" use like PIM |
| 22:39.44 | godsmoke | they're just toys to tinker with |
| 22:39.51 | sunny | no, I wanted a portable linux machine ... my thinkpad is just too damn big to carry around, heh |
| 22:40.03 | godsmoke | yeah, they don't make good portable linux machines either |
| 22:40.40 | sunny | so far it beats the crap out of anything I've seen |
| 22:40.55 | godsmoke | hrm ... well, I guess it depends on your needs |
| 22:42.36 | ljp | pim works fine for me. what do you think it's missing? |
| 22:42.41 | godsmoke | uh, |
| 22:42.43 | godsmoke | haha |
| 22:43.03 | godsmoke | any kind of decent integration, with some professionally finished apps that come for free |
| 22:43.23 | ljp | heh, you want professional apps for free |
| 22:43.36 | godsmoke | besides the fact that openzaurus crashes once in 10 times when you insert a cf card or whatever ... and doesn't recognize it when it comes from sleep once in 20 |
| 22:43.37 | godsmoke | no |
| 22:43.39 | ljp | integrion - how? |
| 22:43.53 | kergoth | eh, i've never seen that cf flakiness |
| 22:43.55 | kergoth | works fine here |
| 22:43.59 | ljp | oz works fine for me, what version do you run? |
| 22:44.02 | godsmoke | well, it happens all the time |
| 22:44.05 | godsmoke | 3.3.5 as of now |
| 22:44.10 | godsmoke | but, not using it |
| 22:44.13 | godsmoke | crashed too much |
| 22:44.59 | kergoth | does it crash with opie not running? |
| 22:45.03 | godsmoke | I can deal with linux boxen that crash at home, but when I'm on the street, and it's -10 deg, I need to be able to turn it on and enter data fast, without the worry of it crashing on a regular basis |
| 22:45.07 | kergoth | we cant fix problems without details and diagnosis |
| 22:45.10 | sunny | godsmoke: erm, I haven't had an issue with my CF card so far, and I'm pretty new at this |
| 22:45.22 | godsmoke | I haven't put it through enough testing |
| 22:45.36 | JuNGLisT | godsmoke : the standard sharp rom dont crash so often btw |
| 22:45.52 | godsmoke | I can't last a day without a fully-functional pda -- so, when I tried it, and it didn't work, I had to switch rather quickly |
| 22:46.01 | JuNGLisT | if you take a "standard" pda and try messing with such things you'll get the same result |
| 22:46.01 | godsmoke | JuNGLisT: I'm aware it doesn't crash as often |
| 22:46.04 | kergoth | OZ needs some volunteers to be a dedicated tester during our rleease cycle |
| 22:46.13 | godsmoke | sure |
| 22:46.14 | kergoth | without that, it makes it difficult to iron out the kinks |
| 22:46.18 | ljp | oz doesnt crash for me. |
| 22:46.22 | godsmoke | and if I had that kind of use on the zaurus, I would help |
| 22:46.30 | godsmoke | ljp: great |
| 22:46.33 | ljp | and I have several pdas runing it |
| 22:46.40 | godsmoke | that's great |
| 22:46.50 | JuNGLisT | btw OZ wont even install itself on my zaurus :/ |
| 22:46.55 | godsmoke | I'm not bashing the project |
| 22:46.56 | JuNGLisT | but that's another problem |
| 22:47.01 | JuNGLisT | ^^ |
| 22:47.27 | JuNGLisT | I think the zaurus is a great piece of hardware for opensource related projects and public |
| 22:47.29 | godsmoke | and there are super minor things like SSIDs being "cropped" by one character on the end ... I must have submitted a bug report for that 5 months ago |
| 22:47.30 | sunny | JuNGLisT: do you have some odd zaurus ? |
| 22:47.33 | ljp | the latest os is 3.3.6pre1 I think |
| 22:47.37 | ljp | oz |
| 22:47.43 | godsmoke | ljp: unstable ... yes |
| 22:47.54 | kergoth | 3.3.6pre1 is a testing branch release |
| 22:47.56 | kergoth | not unstable |
| 22:47.56 | ljp | there is no oz stable |
| 22:47.59 | kergoth | unstable doesnt release. ever. |
| 22:48.00 | godsmoke | oh? |
| 22:48.11 | JuNGLisT | i have a brand new 860 with a NAND memory problem (3 defective sectors in NAND) |
| 22:48.14 | kergoth | heh, there is a stsable, its just old. 3.2 |
| 22:48.15 | JuNGLisT | :'( |
| 22:48.31 | godsmoke | why is the only dir under "testing" 3.3.5? besides "old"? |
| 22:49.00 | godsmoke | maybe I'm looking in the wrong place |
| 22:49.04 | ljp | jung: search http://externe.net/zaurus/forum/ for 'bricked' |
| 22:49.18 | godsmoke | http://www.openzaurus.org/official/testing/ |
| 22:49.20 | kergoth | yeah, you're right. 3.3.5 is testing. 3.3.6-pre1 is nothing. a prelease of the testing branch. |
| 22:49.27 | kergoth | 3.3.6-pre1 isnt official |
| 22:49.28 | godsmoke | oh, ok |
| 22:49.36 | ljp | 3.3.6 is the one that works well |
| 22:49.40 | kergoth | my mistake, i thought mickey released it as testing |
| 22:49.56 | godsmoke | where is the 3.3.6 prerelease available? |
| 22:50.06 | godsmoke | I'm always willing to give it a try |
| 22:50.08 | kergoth | read the topic |
| 22:50.11 | godsmoke | ah |
| 22:50.13 | godsmoke | hold on |
| 22:50.24 | ljp | godsmoke: and I think the problems you are seeing are probably in opie |
| 22:50.42 | godsmoke | ljp: they may be ... |
| 22:50.49 | kergoth | ljp: now that qte for qtopia is in the oe repos, you should fixup the qtopia build |
| 22:50.51 | JuNGLisT | ljp : what does it have to do with my prob ? |
| 22:50.52 | godsmoke | as I've said ... I never had the time to test |
| 22:50.57 | JuNGLisT | I havent fucked up the NAND |
| 22:51.03 | JuNGLisT | it have bad sectors |
| 22:51.07 | JuNGLisT | out of the box |
| 22:51.12 | JuNGLisT | but some OS still can install |
| 22:51.14 | kergoth | yes, it does. that happens |
| 22:51.23 | JuNGLisT | those wich checks for bad sectors before installing |
| 22:51.25 | kergoth | thats because cacko includes an eraseall binary that doenst suck |
| 22:51.26 | JuNGLisT | like cacko |
| 22:51.33 | kergoth | yes. you're not telling us anything we dont know. |
| 22:51.34 | JuNGLisT | or the original nand backup |
| 22:51.43 | JuNGLisT | yep |
| 22:51.46 | ljp | ya, I need to fingure oe out |
| 22:51.53 | kergoth | the original nand backup/restore doesnt erase at all, it reads/writes the entirety |
| 22:51.58 | JuNGLisT | ok |
| 22:52.14 | godsmoke | ok, I'm going to give 3.3.6-pre1 a shot |
| 22:52.22 | JuNGLisT | but what can I do ? |
| 22:52.56 | JuNGLisT | cuz running only cacko's ROM wasn't what I expected from my Z :'( |
| 22:53.05 | godsmoke | in the end ... the answer is that of all the places I need "bleeding-edge" software, my PDA and cell phone are not them :) -- those are devices I need to work without fiddling |
| 22:53.07 | kergoth | nothing, at the moment. |
| 22:53.18 | sunny | is there Xfree for 5600 ? or do I need something else for GTK apps ? |
| 22:53.37 | JuNGLisT | doh |
| 22:53.53 | JuNGLisT | do U guys here plan to rewrite your updater script one day in order to make it "comatible" with such devices as mine ? |
| 22:54.04 | JuNGLisT | compatible |
| 22:54.14 | JuNGLisT | (sorry dunno teh wword I'm french) |
| 22:54.18 | ljp | yes |
| 22:54.34 | ljp | I think mickey or someone did a generic one for all z's |
| 22:55.07 | ljp | sunny: ask in #gpe |
| 22:56.16 | JuNGLisT | ljp : who were U answering to ? |
| 22:56.35 | sunny | ljp: ah, I see |
| 22:56.38 | ljp | yes for the updater script |
| 22:56.48 | sunny | thanks for all the help guys, its day 1 and its been good! |
| 22:57.29 | JuNGLisT | is there a way to edit updater scripts ? |
| 22:57.44 | JuNGLisT | (and have them other than in binary format) |
| 22:58.20 | JuNGLisT | or |
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| 22:58.39 | JuNGLisT | can any1 makes me an NAND backup of a SL-C860 with OZ installed ? |
| 22:58.55 | JuNGLisT | maybe it should work this way |
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| 23:06.41 | godsmoke | kergoth: I know I spoke to you about it, and also submitted a bug report -- the wireless applet (at least) is still reporting the SSID of an associated AP with the last character cut off |
| 23:06.49 | godsmoke | it's a small thing ... but, can be annoying |
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| 23:09.16 | kergoth | godsmoke: report it to teh opie folks, not me |
| 23:11.20 | godsmoke | hmm ... maybe someone in here can help, I just installed oz 3.3.6-pre1, and installed opie-mediaplayer2, when I try to launch it, it gives me a SIGSEGV error, I had this happen when I was using 3.3.5 as well ... anyone with similar issues? |
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| 23:14.02 | godsmoke | and is there a reason the opie-wellenreiter-help-en package exists in the feed (for 3.3.6-pre1), but not wellenreiter itself? |
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| 23:21.18 | Mocara | hello. |
| 23:21.50 | Mocara | are any of you guys using a WLI2-CF-S11 ? |
| 23:23.59 | PhantomsDad | ibot: What is wellenreiter? |
| 23:24.01 | | Wellenreiter info is avalble at http://www.wellenreiter.net/ and now downloadable from http://www.vanille.de/projects/wellenreiter.html |
| 23:25.10 | carbon | hm |
| 23:25.34 | carbon | does current cvs openzaurus correct the bug in 3.3.5 where CF cards are ejected and replaced by 'Anonymous Memory' upon suspending and resuming? |
| 23:26.55 | treke|laptop | I don't have that problem |
| 23:26.56 | treke|laptop | so I guess so |
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| 23:50.58 | kan0 | carboncarbon> I found that, it is in the sharp rom as well. Basically I found that if you insert the card while it is suspended it seems to come back. |
| 23:51.37 | kan0 | however I only saw it on a microdrive, not proper flash |
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