| 00:00.03 | ljp | kergoth: as part of what I am working on, is creating qtopia 1.7 openzaurus roms |
| 00:00.31 | kergoth | ljp: learned oe yet? ;) |
| 00:00.44 | ljp | not quiet yet |
| 00:00.48 | ljp | quite |
| 00:00.59 | ljp | i really should though, eh |
| 00:01.17 | ljp | i know buildroot so well, it tough to switch |
| 00:01.30 | ljp | and things are really stable |
| 00:03.17 | Cwiiis | ljp - That sounds good... If there were a rom like the kompany rom that used OZ's kernel, that'd be perfect :) |
| 00:03.21 | ljp | starting on a 6000 rom, using sharps kernel codes |
| 00:03.49 | ljp | this wont be sharps qtopia, though, it will be trolltechs 1.7 |
| 00:03.57 | ljp | so it will sync on linux |
| 00:04.00 | Cwiiis | Gonna do a 5500 rom? |
| 00:04.50 | ljp | yes the 5500 roms are awesome |
| 00:05.35 | Cwiiis | excellent :) |
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| 00:13.06 | ljp | :D |
| 00:26.17 | Cwiiis | I need my SD card to arrive damnit... |
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| 00:26.44 | Quelqu`un | is there a version of apache for the zaurus? |
| 00:26.58 | kergoth | i've built it for arm in the past. it really is overkill for most people though. |
| 00:27.07 | kergoth | would probably be better off with boa or thttpd or nanoweb |
| 00:27.13 | kergoth | depending on what you want it to do |
| 00:27.48 | Quelqu`un | i'd like to be able to run perl scripts as they would from my normal server |
| 00:28.27 | kergoth | boa can run cgi scripts |
| 00:28.36 | kergoth | and its perfect for embedded use. small, fast, compact |
| 00:28.45 | kergoth | nanoweb supports php, as its -written- in php |
| 00:28.51 | Quelqu`un | ok....awesome |
| 00:28.56 | kergoth | not sure about thttpd's features, been a while since i looked at it |
| 00:29.11 | kergoth | http://www.boa.org/ |
| 00:29.16 | Quelqu`un | thanks |
| 00:29.28 | kergoth | there are probably ipks floating around zsi or ipkgfind, otherwise you could build it yourself |
| 00:30.51 | Quelqu`un | i've never gotten my cross-compiler to work right...i probably am just not giving the right options |
| 00:31.29 | kergoth | try OE. its what we're using for thte next oz release. mostly hides the painful aspects of crosscompiling from you |
| 00:32.02 | Quelqu`un | where would i get that? |
| 00:32.21 | kergoth | i can never seem to remember the url to treke's howto |
| 00:32.24 | kergoth | ljp: you have it handy? |
| 00:32.38 | heathkit | haha, I just saw this in oe - ipod_2.4.24-ipod0.oe |
| 00:32.45 | kergoth | yeah, ipod kernel |
| 00:32.47 | Cwiiis | yay, card working in kompany rom :D |
| 00:33.12 | ljp | hmm. nope |
| 00:33.28 | heathkit | and gumstix, too. oe's going to rock when it... works |
| 00:33.54 | kergoth | heathkit: i'm expecting a patch or 2 from some of the gumstix community to bring it up to a usable state on that platform. |
| 00:34.07 | kergoth | oe does work. just its packages arent all happy yet |
| 00:35.34 | heathkit | It's definately come a long way in just the past couple months. |
| 00:37.15 | kergoth | the real difficulty is the lack of manpower. 700 packages is quite a few :) |
| 00:38.10 | Quelqu`un | is there ever going to be a time when we don't have to use oz-compat libs for apps? or will that always be nesassary? |
| 00:38.35 | kergoth | i doubt any OZ release will go back to being 2.95.x based. |
| 00:38.51 | kergoth | unless someone volunteers to try to add those bits to oe, and make sure things build with it |
| 00:39.23 | heathkit | There's a package I'd like to add to OE, but I'd have to get the source first. |
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| 00:47.25 | Quelqu`un | is there a script that can automatically scan a directory of ipks and make a Packages file out of it? |
| 00:48.56 | kergoth | ipkg-make-index |
| 00:49.12 | kergoth | its in the 'ipkg-utils' module of cvs over at handhelds.org |
| 00:49.20 | Quelqu`un | i mean for a host computer |
| 00:49.25 | Quelqu`un | oh |
| 00:49.26 | Quelqu`un | ok |
| 00:49.29 | Quelqu`un | thanks |
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| 01:17.20 | heathkit | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:50.09 | kairi | yeoorg. |
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| 02:57.00 | Quelqu`un | what is the program "dasher"? |
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| 03:16.06 | Quelqu`un | how hard is it to compile something for the zaurus? |
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| 03:24.45 | keenan | has anyone had success with usb networking in the 2.6 kernels? |
| 03:25.27 | keenan | i'm trying to get my zaurus to talk to my fedora core 2 system and the connection's just intermittent |
| 03:25.56 | keenan | it keeps saying stuff like: |
| 03:25.57 | keenan | hub 3-0:1.0: port 2 disabled by hub (EMI?), re-enabling...<6>usb 3-2: USB disconnect, address 4 |
| 03:26.13 | keenan | wtf is EMI? |
| 03:28.08 | swoolley | electromagnetic interference |
| 03:28.39 | keenan | so could that really what's happening? |
| 03:28.56 | keenan | i think that's just someone's excuse for buggy code |
| 03:29.33 | keenan | "oh, couldn't by my fault, it's probably electromagnetic interference" |
| 03:29.43 | keenan | s/by/be |
| 03:30.27 | kergoth | heh, the hub disabled the port, not the driver |
| 03:30.31 | kergoth | its just telling you what happened |
| 03:30.35 | kergoth | and venturing a guess as to why |
| 03:30.55 | swoolley | usually a disconnect issue happens when a hub disables the port |
| 03:30.56 | keenan | hmmm |
| 03:31.23 | keenan | but it's too consistent tho |
| 03:31.24 | swoolley | then you see that it's disconnected, but what happens when the hub disables it and it's still connected, but it's just noisy? |
| 03:31.59 | keenan | it happens the same way every time: i try to scp a big file and it works fine at first, but after about 20 seconds it stalls |
| 03:32.10 | swoolley | you're right though, venturing a guess in the form of an acronym that most people wouldn't associate with the actions of a hub is odd. |
| 03:32.21 | swoolley | keenan: sounds like EMI to me. |
| 03:32.36 | kergoth | sounds like the Z isnt responding well. |
| 03:32.54 | kergoth | i'd be *far* *far* more likely to blame the big pile of shit we call usbd on the Z end, than the desktop side. |
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| 03:33.12 | keenan | ah |
| 03:33.34 | swoolley | yeah, usbd sucks whenever I try to download large cf files. |
| 03:33.55 | kergoth | you mean large files to cf? |
| 03:34.04 | swoolley | off of a cf to a desktop |
| 03:34.18 | kergoth | ah. |
| 03:34.19 | keenan | dmesg on the zaurus says: usbd_rcv_complete: no rcv_urb! |
| 03:34.27 | swoolley | my zaurus is faster than my canon's download, and it doesn't take the camera's battery. |
| 03:34.46 | swoolley | 5500 stock rom |
| 03:35.20 | keenan | and then "usbd0: transmit timed out" over and over |
| 03:36.44 | keenan | oh, and another weird thing: every time it happens my floppy drive makes a sound and the light goes on and off |
| 03:40.46 | keenan | hey, if the usbd driver on the zaurus is so bad, why can't the zaurus use usbnet too? |
| 03:40.57 | keenan | why can't both ends use the same driver? |
| 03:42.02 | kergoth | ...? |
| 03:42.08 | kergoth | the zaurus doesnt have a usb host controller. |
| 03:42.11 | kergoth | it has a device controller. |
| 03:42.31 | kergoth | short answer: they're sufficiently different that it doesnt make sense to even ask that question |
| 03:42.50 | keenan | ok i thought so |
| 03:43.08 | W8TVI | keenan: why don't you write a patch to make usbnet it work? :P |
| 03:43.22 | kergoth | heh, that wouldnt make any sense either |
| 03:43.29 | keenan | haha |
| 03:43.39 | kergoth | there's an official, supported network driver for usb "gadgets" |
| 03:44.01 | kergoth | in fact, david brownell, the usb gadget maintainer, added support to it for the zaurus c7x0 units, though its untested |
| 03:44.10 | W8TVI | :) |
| 03:44.15 | keenan | what's it called? |
| 03:44.18 | kergoth | 5500/5000d would need substantial work because usb gadget doesnt support strongarm processors atm |
| 03:44.21 | kergoth | uh? |
| 03:44.26 | keenan | oh i see |
| 03:44.31 | dspencek | what is the difference between the host controller and the device controller? |
| 03:44.44 | kergoth | http://www.linux-usb.org/gadget/ |
| 03:44.52 | kergoth | dspencek: google is your friend. this isnt usb 101. |
| 03:45.29 | W8TVI | "usb gadget"? |
| 03:46.43 | W8TVI | dspencek: the end of the cable that its on? |
| 03:47.07 | kergoth | yes, usb gadget. read the link i just pasted |
| 03:47.07 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:48.36 | keenan | ok so they're working on a better zaurus driver, but in the meantime i just have to be patient and send smaller files, is that correct? |
| 03:49.09 | W8TVI | keenan: get a wireless (or wired) cf card |
| 03:49.37 | kergoth | no. |
| 03:49.40 | kergoth | no one is working on it. |
| 03:50.03 | kergoth | i told you a better driver model for it exists, and that it doesnt support all zauruses. |
| 03:50.13 | kergoth | i didnt imply zaurus support for it was actively being developed. it isnt. |
| 03:50.30 | keenan | so the 5x00 is just becoming obsolete then? |
| 03:50.37 | kergoth | eventually we'll find the manpower to do so. |
| 03:51.32 | Quelqu`un | does anyone have any idea why when i ping my OZ wirelessly it has , out of 9 packets, 3 recieved, 4 duplicates, and 66% packet loss? |
| 03:51.34 | keenan | W8TVI: what do you mean? I have a cf card, but I don't see how that helps me transfer files from my desktop to my zaurus |
| 03:52.36 | keenan | I don't have a cf card reader, if that's what you mean |
| 03:52.39 | W8TVI | keenan: get a wireless networking card for your zaurus |
| 03:52.40 | kergoth | ooh, gadget now supports a cdc ethernet that windows has a driver for |
| 03:52.43 | kergoth | thats sweet |
| 03:52.47 | W8TVI | or a wired networking card |
| 03:52.52 | W8TVI | no. |
| 03:53.33 | keenan | well i'm kinda broke anyway :) |
| 04:00.18 | Quelqu`un | anyone have any ideas? |
| 04:03.11 | keenan | well it seems like out of the 9 packets you sent, 6 never made it, 2 got duplicated and 1 got tripled, for a total of 4 duplicate packets |
| 04:03.19 | keenan | or some other combination |
| 04:07.41 | heathkit | Oh wow, no wonder the 2.6 kernel is coming so slowly |
| 04:13.34 | Quelqu`un | keenan: any idea why that would happen? |
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| 05:08.00 | heathkit | Haha, I spend all this time building opie-image, now I don't know how to install it |
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| 16:12.20 | heathkit | Are there gcc3 feeds for the sl5500 other than the official 3.3.6 feed? |
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| 17:51.53 | eutiro_X | hi all, anyone succeded in installin opie-mediaplayer2 on openzaurus 3.3.6?? |
| 17:52.40 | eutiro_X | I've tried a lot of different ipk... but no results.... |
| 17:53.10 | eutiro_X | if any of you could tell me the ipk version of libogg, libogvorbisdec etc..... |
| 17:53.30 | eutiro_X | I'd appreciate.... |
| 17:54.15 | kergoth | you need libxine. libxine needs the rest. version shouldnt matter, as long as you got the ipks from the -3.3.6- feed and nowhere else |
| 17:55.00 | eutiro_X | ok, I followed this rule... but it still doesn't work... |
| 17:55.15 | kergoth | why dont you start by giving some actual useful information |
| 17:55.15 | eutiro_X | and not all needed ipks are on 3.3.6 feed... |
| 17:55.20 | kergoth | "doesn't work" inst helpful |
| 17:55.33 | eutiro_X | ok... |
| 17:55.33 | kergoth | details. |
| 17:55.42 | kergoth | exact behaviors, error messages, whatever |
| 17:56.14 | eutiro_X | I'v got opie mediaplayer2 and opie mediaplayer installed... |
| 17:56.29 | eutiro_X | mp2 says "could not locate application opieplayer2" |
| 17:56.48 | eutiro_X | the other works but with a low quality in deconding mp3.. |
| 17:57.38 | eutiro_X | if you like I can search for version number.... |
| 17:58.08 | kergoth | dont bother. hmm |
| 17:58.45 | eutiro_X | hey, I was just looking for help, that's all man |
| 17:59.17 | KingRobot | eutiro_X: What happens if you try to run it from the command line? |
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| 17:59.27 | kergoth | huh? i know. i just told you not to waste your time trying to dig up version numbers, as i dont need them |
| 17:59.36 | kergoth | if you'd rather waste your time, feel free |
| 17:59.48 | eutiro_X | ok, sorry, some problem with english lang ;) |
| 18:00.08 | eutiro_X | King, I don't know how to do it... |
| 18:00.12 | kergoth | where did you install op2 to? root? ram? ... |
| 18:00.25 | eutiro_X | sd, formatted with ext2 |
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| 18:19.30 | George | hey Neil |
| 18:21.45 | Neil | hello |
| 18:26.30 | George | she's such a *?$%ing bitch |
| 18:26.30 | George | heh |
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| 19:06.55 | seva | i am having hard time finding instructions on how to flash/upgrade the c860 |
| 19:11.17 | seva | http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/faq?id=271 |
| 19:11.19 | seva | i think that's it |
| 19:12.39 | kergoth`bbl | check the openembedded.org wiki, might have better luck there |
| 19:22.49 | seva | thanks |
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| 21:04.52 | eutiro_X | how do I change background images with opie? |
| 21:06.28 | Neil | in the settings tab |
| 21:06.43 | Neil | one of the icons there lets you configure the launcher, I think |
| 21:06.48 | Neil | and in there you can set an image for each tab |
| 21:06.52 | Neil | or set one image for all tabs |
| 21:07.01 | eutiro_X | tx |
| 21:07.10 | eutiro_X | I was looking into "appearance".... |
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| 22:04.01 | eutiro_X | now I can connect to the internet using z with 3.3.6, but the speed is very low... any ideas (I'm connecting via usb cable to a win 2k machine with adsl modem) |
| 22:04.03 | eutiro_X | ? |
| 22:09.22 | heathkit | his battery probably died |
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| 22:47.00 | heathkit | Is there a generic database app for the zaurus better than portabase? |
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