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| 00:13.22 | overlflowUK | anyone know version of oz with working wellenreitrt |
| 00:13.24 | overlflowUK | er |
| 00:14.23 | overlflowUK | i noticed a new version of oz on the newletter section when is that avilable anyone know |
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| 01:29.33 | ZincOxide | how do you change/get rid of the wallpaper on Opie (OZ336pre1)? |
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| 03:49.15 | opp | can someone teach me how to use netgear ma701 on sl5600? |
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| 06:12.37 | Rustre | hi |
| 06:16.25 | opp | i cannot get my z to sync with my pc > shows me error msg, ask me to match the pc link settings with pc, but its matched..can anyone heplp pls? |
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| 06:26.16 | opp | what does a rom do? why change a rom? |
| 06:26.36 | zakk | um |
| 06:26.39 | zakk | right |
| 06:27.14 | opp | huh? |
| 06:27.17 | opp | can u help me sir? |
| 06:27.18 | Rustre | zakk : i'm a newbie here, i'm not sure i'm giving the good answers (opp asked the same question on #opie) |
| 06:27.29 | opp | hmmm |
| 06:27.46 | zakk | Rustre: are you using open zaurus? |
| 06:27.51 | zakk | ah |
| 06:27.55 | zakk | so you sent him here |
| 06:28.00 | Rustre | zakk : yup :p |
| 06:28.06 | Rustre | i'm not using oz yet |
| 06:28.09 | Rustre | i don't have a pda yet |
| 06:28.10 | zakk | I think he is probably using the sharp rom |
| 06:28.11 | opp | i need help |
| 06:28.14 | opp | zakk pls |
| 06:28.16 | zakk | ... |
| 06:28.16 | Rustre | just putting my hands a bit in opie |
| 06:28.18 | opp | yes |
| 06:28.22 | opp | sharp default rom |
| 06:28.24 | zakk | I don't run windows |
| 06:28.24 | opp | sl5600 |
| 06:28.25 | mithro | opp: first some tips |
| 06:28.32 | opp | ok |
| 06:28.36 | opp | mithro |
| 06:28.38 | mithro | opp: don't be annoying - people don't help annoying people |
| 06:28.45 | opp | oki |
| 06:28.47 | opp | sorry |
| 06:28.48 | opp | :( |
| 06:29.06 | Rustre | opp : keep calm ;) |
| 06:29.10 | Rustre | ask your question |
| 06:29.18 | Rustre | and what for somebody to answer it |
| 06:29.19 | opp | ok |
| 06:29.25 | mithro | asking each person seperatly to help isn't going to get you help any quicker |
| 06:29.35 | opp | im tryting to, jus that i spent a fortune of z ,cant get it to wk |
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| 06:29.37 | opp | :(ok |
| 06:29.40 | opp | sorry |
| 06:29.41 | Rustre | it nobody answers, then it means that nobody knows the answer, or has time to answer, or is awake |
| 06:29.51 | opp | okix |
| 06:29.54 | mithro | use full sentances and don't forget letters |
| 06:30.04 | opp | okie |
| 06:30.08 | _ben | you guys probably get this all the time, but would someone like to help me set up my networking? I'm having problems with modprobe... |
| 06:30.11 | opp | no more sms speak frm now |
| 06:30.12 | opp | sorry |
| 06:30.14 | opp | habit |
| 06:30.24 | mithro | IRC != sms |
| 06:30.35 | opp | _ben, i have the same problem,bro |
| 06:30.36 | opp | :( |
| 06:30.43 | mithro | general SMS speak annoys people alot |
| 06:30.48 | opp | okie |
| 06:30.53 | opp | keep that in mind |
| 06:30.57 | opp | thanks |
| 06:31.05 | _ben | opp -- the question is, do you know how to fix it? |
| 06:31.20 | opp | no i dont, i need help too |
| 06:31.24 | mithro | opp: you are using windows on your desktop and sharp rom on a 5600 right? |
| 06:31.55 | opp | mithro, you sre correct,sir |
| 06:32.20 | opp | I cannot even get the z to sync with the pc |
| 06:32.38 | mithro | and you are using the sharp sync software to sync with outlook? |
| 06:34.18 | opp | erm... i dont have outlook i just have outlook express from the default win98se os, i just tried to sync so i can see the files in files transfer, error msg comes up, asking me to match the settings (communication) with pc, i have it matched , but still its dead |
| 06:35.07 | mithro | so you are just trying to transfer files to your zarurus? |
| 06:36.09 | opp | no really? i just want to use kismet on my z using netgear ma701 |
| 06:36.56 | mithro | so you not trying to use syncing? you are trying to setup networking with your wireless card? |
| 06:37.24 | opp | mithro, yes |
| 06:37.43 | opp | first things first, i just approach it one step at a time |
| 06:40.08 | mithro | so what do you want to do? |
| 06:40.15 | mithro | setup networking with your wireless card? |
| 06:41.02 | mithro | IAB: whats your problem? |
| 06:41.03 | opp | i wanna do war driving with kismet |
| 06:41.12 | opp | ma701 |
| 06:41.40 | mithro | opp: explain your problem in clear terms |
| 06:41.52 | IAB | I've tried to set up networking -- neither usb or wlan and neither will start -- I'm running OZ 3.2 on a 5600 |
| 06:42.04 | IAB | either usb * |
| 06:42.18 | IAB | when I do ifup usbd0 I get no such device |
| 06:42.33 | mithro | there is no OZ 3.2 for 5600 |
| 06:42.53 | mithro | so what are you running? |
| 06:43.00 | IAB | 5500 -- sorry |
| 06:43.07 | mithro | okay |
| 06:43.25 | mithro | so what wlan card do you have? |
| 06:43.39 | IAB | it comes up as a linksys |
| 06:43.47 | opp | mithro, i got a z sl5600,netgear ma701 cf wifi card,pc running both debian and win98se, wanna sync,and war driving with the z using kismet? sniffing wireless networks. |
| 06:43.50 | IAB | one sec... |
| 06:44.16 | IAB | Linksys WPC11 |
| 06:44.36 | IAB | it's recognized, but wlan0 doesn't get mapped to it |
| 06:44.40 | mithro | opp: that doesn't help me - i need to know what you want to do now. I don't want your life plans |
| 06:44.52 | mithro | IAB: so if you do ifconfig what do you see? |
| 06:44.59 | IAB | one sec |
| 06:45.19 | IAB | blankl |
| 06:45.26 | IAB | just goes to the prompt again |
| 06:45.37 | mithro | try the following |
| 06:45.46 | opp | mithro, i want to set up netgear cf wifi to work on z |
| 06:45.50 | mithro | "ifconfig lo up" |
| 06:46.03 | mithro | opp: okay - so what happens when you insert the card? |
| 06:46.24 | IAB | that helped a little.. |
| 06:46.32 | opp | cf appears in the bottom corner, nothing else happens , no signal bar or anything |
| 06:46.46 | IAB | it brought the loopback up... |
| 06:47.54 | mithro | okay now try |
| 06:48.02 | mithro | "ifconfig eth0 up" |
| 06:48.36 | IAB | "SIOCGIFFLAGS: No such device" |
| 06:49.39 | IAB | this might help -- when I try to modprobe ANYTHING an error comes up saying it can't find the dependency file |
| 06:49.56 | IAB | and lsmod comes up empty |
| 06:50.08 | mithro | IAB: try "depmod -a" |
| 06:50.25 | mithro | IAB: it sounds like something it up - might be an idea to try a fresh rom install |
| 06:51.05 | IAB | can't open /lib/modules.2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embidx/modules.dep for writing |
| 06:51.42 | IAB | embidx = embedix -- sorry |
| 06:52.21 | mithro | hrm |
| 06:52.40 | mithro | hrm - 3.2 has a 2.4.18 kernel? |
| 06:52.50 | IAB | that's what it says... |
| 06:54.53 | mithro | whats in the /lib/modules/<blah> directory? |
| 06:56.22 | IAB | ' /lib/modules or /lib/modules.2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embidx ? |
| 06:56.41 | IAB | embedix* |
| 06:57.29 | mithro | both |
| 06:57.34 | IAB | this is odd.. |
| 06:57.38 | IAB | there's neither |
| 06:57.46 | mithro | you have a bad rom |
| 06:57.53 | mithro | backup and reinstall |
| 06:57.55 | IAB | it's just 2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix |
| 06:57.59 | IAB | yeah |
| 06:58.00 | IAB | ok |
| 06:58.03 | IAB | thanks |
| 06:58.41 | IAB | I'll probably be seeing you later for some help getting my wireless to work, however.. |
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| 07:00.39 | IAB | is there any benefit to installing 3.3.5 over 3.2, or no? |
| 07:02.20 | mithro | it depends 3.3.5 is both more and less stable |
| 07:02.43 | IAB | yeah, I'm looking for as few headaches as possible |
| 07:03.11 | IAB | is Jeode the only JVM available as of yet? |
| 07:05.15 | mithro | yes |
| 07:05.31 | mithro | well JVM which has GUI |
| 07:05.46 | IAB | so -- no swing support then? |
| 07:06.13 | mithro | yeah |
| 07:06.29 | mithro | there are a few CLI ones |
| 07:06.38 | IAB | I'm looking to thin out a government GIS app that's very swing dependant and put it on this thing, and I'd rather not have to write a bunch of custom graphics renderors |
| 07:06.38 | mithro | and the CVM will work on the new sharp roms |
| 07:06.42 | IAB | renderers* |
| 07:07.37 | IAB | reflashing now |
| 07:07.40 | IAB | had nothing to back up |
| 07:08.28 | mithro | thats good :) |
| 07:08.44 | mithro | EVM doesn't have Swing i don't think |
| 07:09.08 | IAB | what's the one gentoo uses -- something like blackdog vm or something like that... |
| 07:09.40 | IAB | I gotta look that up... cause I think I heard of a zaurus port |
| 07:10.10 | IAB | blackdown |
| 07:11.00 | IAB | yeah -- found it -- that supports swing and there's some how-tos to get it to work on a pda |
| 07:12.07 | mithro | it's going to be VERY slow |
| 07:12.10 | IAB | yeah |
| 07:12.31 | IAB | that's ok... the data will only have to be redrawn every minute or two |
| 07:13.03 | IAB | and it'll all be fed from some form of server, either ArcIMS, or a DoD proprietary one... |
| 07:13.09 | IAB | so, it doesn't need to be quick |
| 07:13.25 | IAB | fed partially rendered* |
| 07:13.34 | synth | cant wait for the next oz release so my 5500 is actually usable |
| 07:14.10 | IAB | why -- what's next? |
| 07:14.19 | synth | well supposedly newer opie? i think the new build system has held everything back |
| 07:14.30 | synth | i have to deal with 3, 4 distinct seperate bugs |
| 07:14.41 | synth | my pda has sat here useless for 2 months. ive had no time to hack on it |
| 07:14.41 | IAB | hah -- I can't wait until they get a computer this size that can run kde at high-res |
| 07:14.52 | synth | man, rasterman's evas stuff looks really enticing |
| 07:15.18 | synth | embedded applications were in the plans with evas |
| 07:15.32 | IAB | oh -- mithro -- it's booting, I'll let you know how the network stacks up.. |
| 07:15.41 | IAB | synth, are you on the dev team? |
| 07:15.50 | synth | nope |
| 07:15.57 | IAB | mm |
| 07:16.20 | IAB | well, either way, it'd be cool if they got a managed package database similar to portage for gentoo... |
| 07:16.34 | synth | ipkg ? |
| 07:16.55 | IAB | ipkg is similar to rpm |
| 07:16.57 | synth | it's dpkg but miniaturized |
| 07:17.04 | synth | (debian dpkg) |
| 07:17.09 | IAB | yeah |
| 07:17.21 | synth | it doesnt build from source, but building from source on a handheld woud.. suck :D |
| 07:17.48 | IAB | portage is beautiful, automatic dependency management, compiles from source, and downloads from a central server specified in the portage tree |
| 07:18.02 | synth | ipkg does that but doesnt compile |
| 07:18.07 | synth | i think it does dependencies |
| 07:18.17 | IAB | what about uninstall w/ dependencies? |
| 07:18.27 | synth | dunno, i dont think so |
| 07:18.33 | synth | debian has that. :D |
| 07:19.10 | IAB | heh -- I'll have to check it out |
| 07:19.10 | IAB | gentoo is kind of a pain as a desktop system |
| 07:19.24 | IAB | mithro -- it works, thanks... |
| 07:19.28 | synth | honestly, gentoo is a neat idea but to build everything from source is just odd |
| 07:19.38 | synth | portage is cool, but there is no need to compile everything |
| 07:19.50 | IAB | speed |
| 07:19.54 | IAB | it's soooooo fast |
| 07:19.57 | synth | the speed gains are marginal at best |
| 07:20.00 | IAB | naw |
| 07:20.09 | synth | i've seen profiling done, man |
| 07:20.10 | IAB | well, compared to what I'm used to, it's great |
| 07:20.19 | synth | i've been running linux for 10 years :D |
| 07:20.25 | synth | trust me.. |
| 07:20.26 | IAB | hah -- not me... can you tell? |
| 07:20.43 | IAB | some day though... some day... |
| 07:20.46 | synth | i have debian, and what is important to me for high speed gets compiled by me |
| 07:20.50 | synth | i.e nvidia drivers and kernel |
| 07:21.00 | synth | everything else is just fine, and my box hauls ass |
| 07:21.21 | IAB | ugh -- now I need to get konqueror |
| 07:21.31 | IAB | it'd be great if mozilla worked for this |
| 07:22.58 | mithro | i can't stand KDE - which is why i use gnome |
| 07:23.09 | mithro | but gnome is quickly starting to annoy me now |
| 07:23.10 | synth | i am getting to where i cant stand gnome |
| 07:23.24 | synth | its freaking sad, really |
| 07:23.39 | IAB | hah -- I just sshed into my zaurus for the first time... |
| 07:23.43 | IAB | it feels sooo good... |
| 07:23.47 | synth | they want to attract the new users, by lowering the bar and removing 'complex options' |
| 07:23.48 | Rustre | mithro and synth : just try xfce4 ;) |
| 07:25.30 | mithro | IAB: so it worked fine after a reflash? |
| 07:26.01 | IAB | yea |
| 07:26.02 | IAB | thanks |
| 07:26.50 | IAB | and I can finally uninstall intellisync |
| 07:28.59 | synth | rustre, i got one better for you Rustre, http://enlightenment.org/pages/efl.html |
| 07:29.12 | synth | raster's work for the last few years.. |
| 07:35.09 | IAB | what's the ipkg dir? |
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| 13:00.42 | ralph__ | hi. is there any gps-map/navigator software for zaurus available? |
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| 15:23.35 | Carkus | ive got a 5500 zaurus, with oz on it, is it possible to reflash with a 64memory/0storage image, and run all apps off a SD card ? basically so that when the battery runs completely flat, i dont loose anything.. |
| 15:24.05 | Carkus | (dont want to use CF due to wifi) |
| 15:25.10 | teletubbie | yes, I am running oz3.3.6-pre1 58/6 and running the apps from sd also using wifi |
| 15:25.20 | Carkus | cool |
| 15:25.33 | Carkus | im sick of loosing everything on this 32/32 setup |
| 15:26.20 | Carkus | any noticable speed decrease from running off sd ? |
| 15:26.52 | teletubbie | look at this Cahpter: http://www.linux-migration.com/ch05s10.html |
| 15:27.11 | Carkus | cheers |
| 15:29.04 | teletubbie | you may need the fast sd driver: http://www.zaurususergroup.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=UpDownload&file=index&req=viewsdownload&sid=52 |
| 15:29.24 | teletubbie | and dont buy a sandisk sd |
| 15:29.48 | Carkus | basically anything but sandisk ? or are there a few other crap brands ? |
| 15:30.25 | teletubbie | I have a panasonic 10MB/S, Lexar works fine too |
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| 15:32.50 | Carkus | ever heard of Kingmax ? |
| 15:33.33 | teletubbie | be aware with noname cards, I had to return one back to the shop. |
| 15:33.43 | Carkus | damn |
| 15:33.44 | Carkus | heh |
| 15:34.09 | Carkus | might try and find a panasonic for a resonable price |
| 15:36.32 | teletubbie | I Payed 74 Euros, :( |
| 15:37.57 | Carkus | there are a few on ebay going for 119 AUD (Panasonic 256mb).. i dont know what the conversion rate to Euros is tho |
| 15:38.11 | Carkus | i need to find a local wholesaler who sells em =) |
| 15:39.07 | teletubbie | sorry I am in German but it cost about 1/3 of the Zaurus pricing |
| 15:39.30 | Carkus | ah ok |
| 15:40.09 | teletubbie | but there are some cheaper shops on ebay, search for a lexar high speed |
| 15:40.15 | Carkus | pitty sandisk ones are bad.. coz we can get them cheap through work |
| 15:40.33 | Carkus | ive heard a fair few people say not to get sandisk |
| 15:40.47 | CoreDump|home | Carkus: my 256MB sandisk works like a charm. never had any problems |
| 15:43.01 | Carkus | ill have to do abit of hunting around |
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| 15:50.07 | Carkus | cheers for the help guys |
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| 15:55.42 | teletubbie | cu |
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| 16:17.02 | oliebol | Aparcer worked. Eur 115 for 512MB in the NL |
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