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00:00.08kmartytoday I (re-)flashed my Z at least 15 times :-)
00:01.07kmartyeh, today, yesterday :-) (it's 2:00am)
00:08.06kennyj_I'm up to number eight, I think
00:08.08kennyj_since last night
00:10.03kmartyI tried some combinations memory and disc space, also tried QPE version(nie, but unusable). And last reflash was because kernel crashed and root filesystem goes to the hell :-(
00:10.25kmartywhy crashed, I don't know. I hope that it was his last crash
00:32.55kmartyagain :-0
00:33.03kmartyi can't believe it :-(
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00:53.28kennyj_eww
00:53.43kennyj_vi's edit mode is unusable in opie terminal
01:00.41kmartywhy?
01:02.05kennyj_the screen sorta...  goes nuts when you try, say, adding a new line
01:05.00kmartyproblem with linewrap?
01:08.44kmartyhmm, newer version of busybox want overwrite files provided by modutils
01:12.30kmartyand if you overwrite it (i.e. lsmod->insmod => lsmod->../bin/busybox and so on), you have guarantee of kernel crash and root filesystem corrupt = you have to reflash Z again
01:16.44kmartyso I made now this:
01:16.46kmartyipkg update          
01:16.46kmartyipkg -force-overwrite upgrade
01:16.46kmartyipkg -force-overwrite -force-reinstall install modutils
01:16.46kmartyipkg -force-overwrite -force-reinstall install makedevs
01:17.28kmarty(first upgrade upgrades busybox which overwrite modutils and makedevs)
01:29.51kmartycd / ; for dir in root home ; do mv $dir /mnt/ram/ ; ln -s /mnt/ram/$dir $dir ; done
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02:08.59scopecrpwhat server address do i use in the opie package manager program in 3.5.1?
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02:12.02scopecrpwhat server address do i use in the opie package manager program in 3.5.1?  anyone?
02:17.32Firebalrogi have been using ipkg
02:17.56Firebalroguse ipkg-link mount /mnt/card after if installing to sd card
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02:40.26kennyj_Another stupid question:  Is it safe, both in terms of stability and performance, to move /usr/lib to SD permanently?
02:40.43kennyj_I already run /opt, /home, and /root there without issue.
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02:50.49paroneayeaI'm experiencing something strange... my computer manages to connect to my zaurus for like... five seconds... then usb0 entirely disappears.
02:52.43kennyj_If I'm not mistaken, the Z has serious issues with its USB chipset.  Meaning, it's fucking useless for all practical purposes.
02:53.12kennyj_I ended up relying solely on a card reader on the PC and a wifi card on the Z for transfers and connectivity.
02:53.27kennyj_It's more convenient to be able to telnet/ftp in via wifi anyway, IMO.
02:55.31paroneayeaI had it working fine earlier
02:55.35paroneayeaon my older computer
02:55.43paroneayeabut I migrated to a new laptop and a new kernel
02:56.29kennyj_if it worked at all before, you're lucky.
02:57.02kennyj_I've had it not work at all on three seperate computers:  a win2k box, a winxp box, and a macosx box.  I've heard of numerous debian users having the same problem as well.
02:57.17kennyj_Someone else here might have found a magic combination that makes it work, but I dunno.
02:57.20paroneayeaah!  I think I might have found it!
02:57.48paroneayeamight be Ethernet Gaget under "support for usb gadgets"
02:57.51kennyj_you'd be my hero
02:57.53paroneayeain newer kernel
02:58.09paroneayeaI doubt your problems are the same as mine though
02:58.19paroneayeaI had it working fine, I used multisync
02:58.26paroneayeaon the other computer
02:58.32kennyj_I dunno, I'm to the point where I'd sooner just use the wifi and card reader
02:58.32paroneayeagotta get it to work here, isall
02:58.44kennyj_oh, btw:  I think multisync is busted in OZ 3.5.1
02:58.49kennyj_as per the releae notes
02:58.52kennyj_*release
02:58.57paroneayeathere was a fix reported
02:58.57kennyj_haven't tried it myself though
02:59.10kennyj_<---- pessimist
03:01.17paroneayeaolder openzaurus used [*]   Embedded ARM Linux links (iPaq, ...)
03:01.31paroneayeais [ ]   Sharp Zaurus (stock ROMs)  the current option to choose?
03:10.19CoreDump|homthe "sync" fix for 3.5.1 is installing openssh from the upgrade feed
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03:26.28paroneayeawell, looks like I've got everything but one thing working
03:26.42paroneayeaI forgot what file you have to edit to set the zaurus to boot with sftp
03:45.30paroneayeaanyone know what you have to do to set the zaurus to run sftp-server at boot?
04:40.42paroneayeado you know what the default port is that sftp connects on?
04:43.30kergoth?
04:43.41kergothits just run over ssh.
04:43.46kergothsshd is all that needs to be running
04:43.56paroneayeablarg.  well, I'm having problems :P
04:43.59kergothit connects over ssh and runs the sftp server.
04:44.05kergothdropbear sftp is broken, afaik.
04:44.08kergothuse scp, thatll work fine
04:44.22paroneayeaI don't think I can use scp with multisync....
04:45.06kergothre: usb networking, oz has -always- used the same setup as sharp.
04:45.26kergothusbd, which uses a crc appended to the ethernet frame that goes over usb.
04:45.36kergothnormal usbnet/cdcether doesnt expect that crc.
04:45.44kergothhence having to enable the sharp zaurus option
04:46.03paroneayeawell, blarg.  I guess according to this, ftp works fine with multisync... so now i need to know... is the ftp server installed on OZ by default, in 3.5.1?
04:46.17kergothits qtopia or opie that runs it.
04:46.23kergoththe launcher itself
04:46.32kergothruns a minimal ftp server on port 4242 for syncing.
04:46.35kergothsame as sharp
04:46.47kergothshould work fine, assuming you run security, confirm the settings are correct, and then hit ok (on the Z)
04:51.44paroneayeaah... I think I know why now
04:51.55paroneayeait doesn't seem to go through on ftp without a password
04:54.48paroneayeamultisync: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/multisync/libopie_sync.so: undefined symbol: OPIE_DEBUG
04:54.54paroneayeaguess it could be due to that too
04:56.23paroneayeaah, found the problem on google
05:11.00paroneayeahttp://www.mail-archive.com/multisync-users@lists.sourceforge.net/msg01385.html
05:11.05paroneayeait's gentoo's fault ;)
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05:35.15MG_Takso.. how's 3.5.1 on 5600?
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05:55.43seven5anyone have gaim running on 3.5.1?
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06:29.58kennyj_well this's freaky...  in the console, but not in Opie, you can suspend not only by holcing Cancel, but also with the right arrow
06:30.20kennyj_and in either case, you can only resume usage of the Z by way of a hard reset
06:30.28kennyj_Makes attempting to use vi a lot of fun.
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06:50.35seven5hey guys, how do i clean my whole system off, out of all these flashes i've done over and over, stuff is still on the filesystem.. is there a way to get it OFF for good, like every app, and docuemnt thats just hanging out..
06:50.38seven5i want a clean format
06:50.48kergoth?
06:50.52seven5i've got a 5600
06:51.01kergotha flash wipes the main partition.
06:51.06kergothif you want to wipe the user partition, feel free
06:51.14seven5its really wierd man, i just flashed the sharp rom back on, and i have apps from when i installed them on opie in there
06:51.16kergoththe maintainance menu has an option to do so
06:51.18kergothyep
06:51.20kergothyou will
06:51.27seven5how do i get rid of it?
06:51.33kergoth..
06:51.39kergoth01:51 < kergoth> if you want to wipe the user partition, feel free
06:51.40seven5cause i just wrecked my system trying to install gaim
06:51.43kergoth01:51 < kergoth> the maintainance menu has an option to do so
06:52.01seven5ok, the format does it?
06:52.03seven5ok cool
06:52.19seven5i dont know how stuff keeps getting back on there.. i've run that format before
06:53.47kergothif you install apps to that partition, they dont get wiped on reflash.
06:53.54kergothand sharp puts everything there, since their / is read only
06:54.24seven5hmm ok.. do you have a suggestion of where to keep all my apps that I install?
06:54.29kergoth?
06:54.33kergothwherever you want them.
06:54.47kergothagain, apps installed to / are lost on reflash, those installed to the other partition are not.
06:54.52kergothits your call
06:55.12seven5well. i was just wondering if you had a place you found to work well.. i mean. its nice to have some kind of order, and the file system on OZ is a bit odd to me
06:55.21kergoth?
06:55.25kergothits a linux machine.
06:55.29kergothit looks like every other linux box.
06:55.30seven5with everything going to /root but then symlinked to /home/zuarus
06:55.34seven5not really, lol
06:55.35kergothuh?
06:55.38seven5i mean, it runs as root
06:55.53kergothi dont know what you're talking about
06:55.58kergothyes, it runs as root. and?
06:56.12seven5hold on, let me find what i was talking aabout, i gotta flash again...
06:56.16kergothOZ looks exactly like a debian machine.
06:56.19kennyj_It's not RedHat?
06:56.24kergothwith the exception of the use of ipkg rather than dpkg+apt
06:56.27seven5but there was stuff in /root that was symlinked to /home/zaurus
06:56.30kergothand some other minor changes for embedded use.
06:56.47kergothsounds like you're thinking of sharp.
06:56.57kergothor you changed that so your data files would be persistant (kept across reflash)
06:57.24kergothand i'd hardly say that a couple symlinks makes the entire filesystem odd, even if that was the case, which i find highly unlikely
06:57.29seven5i'm just used to running as a user, not as root
06:57.38seven5and having all my confs in my home folder
06:57.47seven5jeez man
06:57.53seven5chill
06:58.10seven5you have this edge to you like everythings some kind of insult or problem
06:58.14kergothi just prefer that people not spread fud.
06:58.23seven5i'm just looking for some help and chatting about this stuff. i find it fun
06:58.23kergothmisinformation causes more support load on the developers
06:58.32seven5ummm
06:58.40seven5you need to go look up fud
06:58.47seven5cause thats not exactly the context
06:58.48seven5lol
06:59.18kergother, yep
06:59.22kergothwrong word. you get the point
06:59.27seven5;)
06:59.38seven5has anyone gotten gaim working on 3.5.1 yet?
06:59.46kergothqpe-gaim or gaim?
06:59.50seven5i kinda just crushed my system trying to get it working. and t was getting nice :)
06:59.51kergoththe qpe version isnt in oe
06:59.53seven5hmmm i dong know..
06:59.57kergothand wont be until the gaim developers release the source
07:00.01kergoththe 'gaim' in oe is for X
07:00.03kergothuses gtk
07:00.09kergoththe qte/qtopia version's source isnt available yet
07:00.23seven5os it'd have to be on qpe then?
07:00.27seven5am i following?
07:00.27kergoth?
07:00.33kergoth'qpe' was the old name for qtopia.
07:00.38kergothand qtopia apps run under opie
07:00.41seven5LOL, i just thought that qpe was the x server version running gtk
07:00.53kergothQt Palmtop Environment
07:00.55kergothqpe.
07:01.16seven5oh ok
07:01.22seven5so whats the qpe build of OZ
07:01.28kergothi just told you
07:01.32seven5heh
07:01.37kergothqpe/qtopia apps run under either qtopia or opie.
07:01.46kergothso when qpe-gaim goes into oe, itll work fine under opie
07:01.47seven5ok, so its running qpe as the window manager, vs opie
07:01.48kergothget it yet?
07:01.50kergothno.
07:01.56kergoththe qpe gaim is gaim for qtopia.
07:02.01kergothwhich runs under opie as well.
07:02.57seven5no no, i was just getting the 2 roms in order.. gpe-image.rootfs.img   runs qpe as front end, and opie-image.rootfs.img runs opie
07:03.05seven5is that correct?
07:03.06kergothgpe is not qpe.
07:03.13seven5DOH
07:03.15kergothperhaps your irc font is fucked up.
07:03.19seven5that IS a g, isn't it
07:03.24kergothgpe is the gtk palmtop environment
07:03.28kergothqpe is the qt one.
07:03.31seven5THATS what i was talking about
07:03.38seven5a min ago.. my fault, bad letter
07:03.41seven5misread...
07:03.49kergothgpe is X/gtk. gaim works fine there, though probably isnt formatted for the pda display size
07:03.58seven5ok, so we hve qpe, opie, and the default qpe
07:04.14kergothno.
07:04.23seven5what do i have wrong now!?
07:04.28kergothparticularly not when you said qpe twice.
07:04.33seven5GAH
07:04.42kergoththere's gpe, qtopia, and opie. opie is just a fork of qtopia.
07:04.45seven5gpe and opie for OZ, and then qpe from sharp
07:05.01kergoththere's qtopia from trolltech as well, once ljp gets around to fixing the build in OE
07:05.20seven5what is OE?
07:05.24seven5openembedded?
07:05.33kergothits the build infrastructure used to produce oz and countless other linux distros
07:05.36kergothyep
07:05.45seven5ok, thanks for the catch up :)
07:06.05seven5ok, so then there is qpe-gaim that is made for qpe, but you said it works in opie
07:06.18kergothright. most qtopia apps do run fine in opie
07:06.20seven5thats the advantage of it being forked
07:06.20kergothnot all, but most
07:06.28kergothnod
07:07.30seven5ok, so what were you saying about qpe-gaim not working untill its in OE?
07:08.12kergoththe sources for the qtopia version of gaim arent available
07:08.30seven5just the binaries?
07:08.46kergothtreke pesters the developer on a regular basis
07:08.52seven5well why the heck not? i mean... isnt that against the license? what does gaim use?
07:09.27kergothits gpl.  i think he lost the sources or something. dont recall. ask treke
07:09.44seven5hmmm
07:09.56seven5so then it DOESN"T work in opie?
07:10.04seven5or is it just not OFFICIALLY working
07:12.55kergoth?
07:13.18kergoththere are binary packages that'll work if you use oz-compat
07:13.29kergothbut it wont go into the oz feeds or be built properly until sources are available
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07:21.37kennyj_What's the package responsible for the media searching bullshit?  I wanna kill that SOB.
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07:30.17ljpuuhh. that would be opie
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07:35.58seven5<seven5> btw, it was /home/root with symlinks to /home/zaurus, thats what i meant
07:41.15ashikaseer, what's the problem kennyj?
07:52.27kennyj_I have a nice little script I'm working on to set up my environment the way I like it and eliminate a few annoyances
07:53.02kennyj_the applet you get when first running Opie if you have a card installed, and whatever comes with it..  the annoying "what should I do with this card" thing
07:53.19kennyj_I want to know what that package is so I can kill it dead
07:53.35ljpoh.. you mean mediummount
07:54.04kennyj_that's it?  thanks
07:56.37kennyj_I did notice a funky issue while I'm at it, before I go to sleep and forget
07:56.45kennyj_I pasted it above but it got lost in the shuffle I think
07:57.05kennyj_on the Opie image, at the console, you can suspend by holding down not only cancel, but also if you hold down the right arrow or the menu key
07:57.47kennyj_but you can't get the Z back up without hitting the reset button first regardless of which button you held down, including cancel.
07:58.03kennyj_The fact that it includes the right arrow key makes vi twice as fun as before!
08:05.18ashikasei'm not sure if this is related..
08:05.31ashikasebut I believe with opie there is a way to make it ignore certain media
08:05.56ashikasei think it's done by placing a configuration file at the root of the media
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08:07.53ashikaseah, nevermind... looks like mediummount provides that option
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13:27.25torpori just installed oz3.5.1, then used the 'move_root_to_sd.sh' script  to move over to an SD-based /root ..
13:27.49torporso far, feels pretty good, but i'm not sure if my SD card is happy .. every few minutes it seems like the system hangs.
13:28.03torporcould this be a mount option fix?  like maybe mount 'async' or whatever?
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14:59.38Firebalroganybody here?
15:05.14ashikaselooking at the user list, you'd think there'd be
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15:11.52torpori'm here
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15:55.43Gnutzanyone in here?
15:57.58ashikase_yeah
15:59.24kennyj_torpor:  Yes, the system feels slower because of the fact that it's mounting SD with the 'sync' option by default.
15:59.41kennyj_Use async or simply remove sync from /etc/fstab and it will improve performance.
16:00.26kennyj_I usually leave sync enabled for CF because I constantly exchange it with a wifi card, but I *always* keep SD in because I run half of my own system off it. :)
16:00.51kennyj_Now, where did you find that script?  I have one of my own, but it's kinda...  fragile.
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16:06.06GnutzIs anyone using OZ 3.5.1?
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17:28.18torporhi all!
17:28.39torporanyone know what to do to get opera working in OZ 3.5.1?  opera 7.3.0, OZ3.5.1 - i click the icon, nothing happens.
17:28.52kergothyou need oz-compat at a minimum.
17:28.57kergothbeyond that, couldnt say
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17:34.44jamesm_after flashing with oz, should you also format?
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17:36.10jamesm_I remember having to do it with Watapon rom...
17:43.53torporokay, i got oz-compat installed, same problem..
17:43.56torpor_7QString
17:44.13torporroot@hiz:/opt/QtPalmtop/apps/Applications# opera
17:44.13torporopera: symbol lookup error: opera: undefined symbol: _7QString.shared_null
17:44.23torporanyone know about that one???
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17:53.02CoreDump|hometorpor: http://opie.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/oz_2dcompat_20HowTo
18:02.23torporthanks CoreDump|home ... i have also found http://www.irongeek.com/all.php in the meantime.
18:03.36CoreDump|homebetter use oz-compat from the upgrade feed, and *not* from his mirror
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18:45.12telpochwhat filse contain the wifi settings in oz 3.5.1? i copied over the wireless.opt i had in previous versions and it is not being used.
18:45.27kergothit uses entries in /etc/network/interfaces
18:45.43kergothe.g. wireless_essid blah
18:45.46kergothunder the iface
18:45.53kergothconfigure it once via the gui and take a look
18:45.58telpochthanks!
18:46.00kergothnp
18:46.13kergothmuch cleaner than the old method
18:47.15telpochless debian like tho... but np... as long as it works....
18:47.56telpochhey, does the gpe provide a regular X enviroment one could install things from the debian arm distro?
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18:48.08kergotheh?
18:48.20kergothdebian's wireless-tools package installs the hooks for /etc/network/interfaces configuration
18:48.24kergothwhere do you think we got it from?
18:48.44telpochheh
18:49.03torporopera is still not working on OZ3.5.1 (for me) .. root@hiz:/opt/QtPalmtop/opera# opera
18:49.06torpor/opt/QtPalmtop/bin/opera
18:49.08telpochmust have changed then... the one i have wireless on is stable... forgive my foolishness
18:49.09torporopera: Could not find "ini/standard_mouse.ini"
18:49.14torporSegmentation fault
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19:28.51telpochis there not a web browser on oz 3.5.1?
19:29.39CoreDump|homeopera6 works fine
19:30.52telpochi added http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.1/feed/ as a feed, and don't see in the package manager the same stuff that i see if i brwose it in mozilla
19:32.07telpochwow! i went to terminal 1, how do i get back to 7? ther is no alt key here
19:34.54telpochanyone? will i have to reboot?
19:37.39CoreDump|homeon collie press the right arrow and the datebook button
19:39.22telpochCoreDump|home,  thanks!
19:39.27CoreDump|homenp
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19:48.16telpochi added a feed to ipkg but ipkg update returns error, returns value 1
19:48.51telpochthe command is wget, the feed address looks truncated in the error, but i would think that's just how the error was reported
19:58.39telpochi created /etc/resolv.conf but when rebooted it was gone... what's up with that?
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21:02.29meth0si just attempted to flash in 3.5.1 on my boxer
21:02.49meth0sim stuck at a screen that says a new storag media detected: sd card  ect...
21:05.19keenantry flashing it and then taking out all the cards before you boot it up the first time
21:07.13meth0sjust tried that and got the the configuration screen
21:07.19meth0sthx
21:07.37meth0skeenan: do you have a clamshell model?
21:09.05keenanno, i have a collie
21:09.21meth0si seem to be having issues with my collie
21:09.30meth0si think i need to take her to boarding school
21:09.42keenanlol
21:10.02meth0sactually now that i have a boxer i dont know what to do with my collie
21:10.30overflowUKwell bum the dog then
21:10.53overflowUKha
21:11.07keenanhey, how come Fn+shift doesn't work like ctrl anymore?
21:11.29keenanthat was so useful!
21:11.35overflowUKcan u drop to a console on gpe ??
21:11.43overflowUKnot a xconsole
21:11.54overflowUKto like ctrk-alt-F1
21:12.20meth0sno browser installed by default?
21:14.29overflowUKanyone know were there is a console ethereal ipkg available
21:18.13meth0smylinksys wcf12 dosnt seem to work either
21:25.55keenanin the opie package manager, how do you install an ipk file from a cf card?
21:27.17keenanthe way to do that must be moved to a different place...
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21:31.58keenanhmm, i can't find a way to install a local ipk at all!
21:32.13keenanwell, back to the console i guess
22:24.16meth0show do i get my wcf12 qorkin?
22:24.25meth0ss/qorkin/working
22:29.38keenanwhy does opiemediaplayer2 segfault whenever i try to play something???
22:30.08keenanno error message or anything
22:30.42keenanthe last thing it says before "Segmentation fault" is <unknown>: <<<<<<<new m3u default
22:44.35keenanand opie-mediaplayer1 segfaults before it even starts
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22:58.20meth0sanyone have a linksys wcf12?
23:03.43meth0sany way to sync with kaddress book and korganizer?
23:04.03Luke-JrI would think so
23:04.08Luke-Jrboth use semi-standard formats
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23:11.29overflowany news of more packaged for feed
23:11.34overflowfor gpe
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23:23.08meth0sanyone else been having problems getting wireless cards workin?
23:26.23overflownope
23:26.30overflowdlink is cool
23:26.40overflowpull the card out
23:26.47overflowand re insert
23:27.14overflowanyone runnin GPE here
23:49.43meth0si dunno whats wrong with my linksys and socket cards neither want to work
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