| 00:05.02 | aTypical | Hello, everyone. |
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| 01:50.38 | bferrell | can someone tell me where I can find the files for a b500? |
| 01:54.14 | CoreDump|hom | a what? |
| 01:56.50 | bferrell | a Zaurus B500 |
| 01:57.41 | bferrell | correction an SL-B500 |
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| 03:24.17 | aTypical | Anyone awake? |
| 03:24.41 | netsplit | Perhaps. |
| 03:25.05 | aTypical | Hello. |
| 03:26.00 | netsplit | Greetings. |
| 03:30.18 | aTypical | I'm new to Z and am asking everyone the typical newbie question: what Z do you have and which ROM are you using? |
| 03:30.59 | netsplit | I'm new too. I use the original Sharp ROM on 6000L. |
| 03:32.51 | aTypical | Ah. Cool. |
| 03:33.31 | netsplit | You? |
| 03:34.32 | aTypical | I'm using OZ/gpe on an SL5500. I'd really like a 6000L though. |
| 03:40.54 | aTypical | Right now I'm flashing back to Sharp's 2.38 ROM. I want to see if it improves my speed/battery-life. |
| 03:42.34 | netsplit | What's your battery life on OZ? |
| 03:43.30 | aTypical | I don't think it's really OZ, but the SL-5500. I think it's a POS when it comes to that. |
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| 04:59.59 | Shdwdrgn | battery mods... don't run your Z without 'em :-) |
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| 05:47.32 | aTypical | Shdwdrgn, what are battery mods? |
| 05:48.11 | aTypical | Anyone here know how to do a right-click on the Z? |
| 05:51.07 | netsplit | Did Terminator's suggestion not work? |
| 05:52.02 | netsplit | Maybe s/he means the expansion pack (re: battery mods). |
| 05:53.28 | aTypical | Nope. |
| 05:54.25 | netsplit | What are you trying to right-click on? |
| 05:54.37 | aTypical | A link on a website. |
| 05:54.52 | aTypical | I'm trying to download Oz/opie, but it doesn't want to cooperate. |
| 05:56.22 | netsplit | Holding a stylus down on a link works for me. |
| 05:56.42 | netsplit | I can use that to copy the link address and paste that in a terminal and use wget. |
| 05:57.03 | aTypical | Hmm. I wonder what I'm missing. |
| 05:57.24 | netsplit | Hold it down and wait a few seconds. |
| 06:00.40 | aTypical | Still didn't work. |
| 06:03.14 | aTypical | wget it is. I give up. |
| 06:03.34 | netsplit | wget now doesn't work or right-click? |
| 06:22.00 | aTypical | Right click didn't work. wget worked like a charm. |
| 06:23.39 | netsplit | OK. |
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| 06:44.19 | aTypical | How/Where do I download packages for OZ/Opie? I notice the package manager app in Settings. Can I use that? |
| 06:44.37 | netsplit | Uhm, aTypical do you know where the internal flash is? |
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| 06:45.19 | aTypical | netsplit, I'm sorry I was looking for a server that I should use to download packages. |
| 06:45.44 | netsplit | Oh, I was asking a completely unrelated question since you're the only one talking :) |
| 06:46.45 | netsplit | I'm trying to untar a file but my RAM is apparently full while I still have 30MB left in the internal flash. |
| 06:47.04 | netsplit | So I need to move my file there. |
| 06:47.21 | netsplit | I don't see anything resembling such a thing in the output of "mount". |
| 06:48.59 | netsplit | Oh, I'm not supposed to write to flash very often because it deteriorates. |
| 06:49.28 | aTypical | I'm not sure, but I believe it's related to the way the Z halves the memory between System and Application uses. |
| 06:50.10 | aTypical | 32MB is used for running apps and the other 32MB for storage. (I'm guessing here) |
| 06:50.23 | netsplit | So how do you write to flash? |
| 06:50.42 | aTypical | I'm not sure you can. |
| 06:50.59 | netsplit | Then why do I have 30MB free there? |
| 06:51.04 | netsplit | What a waste ;) |
| 06:51.33 | aTypical | That's why some people switch to OZ. It allows you several choices for how memory is allocated. |
| 06:52.15 | netsplit | Actually wait, no I'm dumb. |
| 06:52.26 | netsplit | The file viewer lets you browse the flash. |
| 06:52.33 | netsplit | So how easily does the thing deteriorate? |
| 06:52.55 | aTypical | What thing? |
| 06:53.20 | netsplit | Flash. |
| 06:53.59 | aTypical | I don't know. |
| 06:54.17 | netsplit | I've gone and downloaded 23 packages from Debian including libc et al, and I want to see if chrooting to that works ;) |
| 06:55.11 | aTypical | Good luck. I"m off to bed. Have a good night. |
| 06:55.12 | synth | whats the solution these days for SD usage? fs image on FAT format? |
| 06:55.22 | synth | mount loop |
| 06:55.40 | netsplit | Could you repeat the question? |
| 06:56.07 | synth | few months back, everyone using SD with ext2 or whatever fs it was (anything non-FAT) were getting corruption issues |
| 06:56.23 | synth | some people started making an image on FAT formatted SD cards to avoid the problem |
| 06:56.31 | synth | and mounting that image via loopback |
| 06:57.00 | netsplit | Why must you mount it via loopback? |
| 06:57.28 | synth | how else do you mount a file that's a FS |
| 06:57.57 | netsplit | I thought it's the entire SD card that's the FS. |
| 06:58.27 | synth | yeah. but people got corruption.. these cards are intended for usage as FAT, so, they run reliably when FAT formatted |
| 06:58.30 | netsplit | Ohh, never mind, I see. You format the disk using FAT, and put a ext2 root FS on it. |
| 06:58.34 | synth | if you make your FS a file and it fits within.. |
| 06:58.35 | synth | yeah |
| 06:58.39 | synth | then everyhting is good :D |
| 06:58.54 | synth | no a file, which contains an ext2 FS |
| 06:58.58 | synth | heh |
| 06:59.13 | netsplit | Actually, which files? Are we talking about initrd.bin and zImage? |
| 06:59.30 | synth | no.. imagine it like this |
| 06:59.43 | synth | a partition with LBA is just a sequential set of blocks |
| 06:59.50 | synth | so,t hat could also be a file |
| 06:59.55 | synth | contained within another FS |
| 07:00.18 | synth | so, if you put all your data in a singile file the card doesnt get corrupted |
| 07:00.24 | netsplit | Yeah, I understand that concept. |
| 07:00.33 | synth | clever hack, really :) |
| 07:01.16 | netsplit | So can you tell me am I supposed to use the internal flash as a root FS or will I end up with a very short life? |
| 07:01.47 | netsplit | And also, I don't see a mount point for it from the output of "mount", why is that? |
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| 07:16.14 | JrHacker | Hello. I have a Sharp Zaurus 5500 which I am trying to hook up to my winxp box in order to transfer files. The network connection is fine (I can ping my Z), but the desktop software refuses to see the zaurus. I have read all the documentation I can get my hands on, as well as numerous FAQs, and have done Google searches galore. Does anyone have any suggestions? |
| 07:19.03 | netsplit | I saw your question in #zaurus and I have no idea :) |
| 07:19.25 | JrHacker | netsplit: do you use qtopia to sync? |
| 07:19.33 | netsplit | No. |
| 07:19.47 | JrHacker | what do you use? intellisync? |
| 07:19.48 | netsplit | Well I used the PC tools once to transfer a terminal over. |
| 07:20.01 | netsplit | I don't sync at all. |
| 07:20.09 | JrHacker | ah. |
| 07:20.18 | netsplit | I thought you were just transferring files. |
| 07:20.18 | JrHacker | well... how do you put new software on it? |
| 07:20.25 | JrHacker | that's all I want to do. |
| 07:20.50 | netsplit | Well that's what I mean. I used it once to transfer a terminal over, then I used Opera and/or the terminal to download. |
| 07:20.56 | netsplit | Through a wireless connection. |
| 07:20.58 | JrHacker | oh. |
| 07:21.18 | JrHacker | how did you set it up to transfer the terminal over? what os were you on? |
| 07:21.31 | netsplit | Well I had to boot into Windows 2000. |
| 07:21.48 | JrHacker | did you have any problems? |
| 07:21.55 | netsplit | No, I did not. |
| 07:22.09 | JrHacker | grr. |
| 07:22.10 | netsplit | It was just install it, then start menu -> something something to bring up the tool. |
| 07:22.15 | JrHacker | did you use qtopia? |
| 07:22.24 | netsplit | I don't know. |
| 07:22.34 | netsplit | Whatever was in the start menu was what I used. |
| 07:22.48 | netsplit | But I'm on a 6000L, which is probably different. |
| 07:23.14 | netsplit | If you get a wireless connection, you do not need to do it that way. |
| 07:23.23 | netsplit | You can just use opera to download a terminal application. |
| 07:25.03 | JrHacker | I don't have a wireless connections |
| 07:25.07 | JrHacker | *tion |
| 07:25.26 | netsplit | Do you have an SD or CF card? |
| 07:25.52 | JrHacker | yes, an sd card |
| 07:26.05 | netsplit | Then do you have a card reader/writer? |
| 07:26.22 | JrHacker | nope |
| 07:29.27 | JrHacker | I tried putting a file on my palm m130, then on the sd card, but that doesn't work. |
| 07:29.39 | JrHacker | because the palm won't take files if it doesn't know what they are. |
| 07:29.45 | netsplit | Ohh, wasn't I talking to you before. Now I remember you hehe. |
| 07:29.54 | JrHacker | and it doesn't know what .ipk 's are |
| 07:29.58 | JrHacker | hehe |
| 07:30.02 | JrHacker | yes, you were. |
| 07:30.11 | JrHacker | I actually got one! :) |
| 07:30.49 | netsplit | You got what? |
| 07:31.09 | JrHacker | a zaurus |
| 07:31.20 | netsplit | You didn't have one before? |
| 07:31.47 | netsplit | Didn't you have the same exact problem last time we talked? |
| 07:32.02 | JrHacker | no |
| 07:32.05 | netsplit | You bought the thing second hand and you had to download the CD. |
| 07:32.09 | JrHacker | well... not exactly |
| 07:32.26 | JrHacker | I couldn't get it to sync with win98 - but that was a different prob. |
| 07:33.01 | JrHacker | I need to get some sleep though. |
| 07:33.06 | JrHacker | might talk to you tomorrow |
| 07:33.10 | JrHacker | thanks for the help |
| 07:33.12 | netsplit | OK, see you then. |
| 07:33.18 | netsplit | Sorry I couldn't really help :) |
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