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| 00:51.26 | jcurry | I get 'ipkg: invalid magic' when I try to install an ipkg |
| 00:52.01 | kergoth | then the ipkg is correct |
| 00:52.01 | kergoth | er |
| 00:52.02 | kergoth | corrupt |
| 00:52.06 | kergoth | something's wrong with it |
| 00:52.06 | jcurry | grrr. |
| 00:52.11 | jcurry | ok, cool. |
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| 02:01.42 | jcurry | why does opie-mediaplayer2 segault when I try to play something? |
| 02:01.48 | kergoth | because it doesnt like you |
| 02:01.49 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:01.55 | kergoth | no, the media players are known broken in 3.5.1 |
| 02:01.57 | kergoth | its unfortunate |
| 02:02.01 | jcurry | aaah |
| 02:02.18 | jcurry | is there a fixed ipkg i could use, or is it a different kind of broken? |
| 02:02.32 | kergoth | i dont know if its been fixed |
| 02:02.37 | kergoth | i'll try it on my sl6k's opie image |
| 02:02.51 | kergoth | (in case you didnt know, 3.5.2 is due to release this weekend if we can get some final kinks worked out) |
| 02:02.57 | jcurry | awesome! |
| 02:03.03 | kergoth | with sl6k support :) |
| 02:03.05 | jcurry | will most stuff, like, work? |
| 02:03.06 | kergoth | as promised |
| 02:03.12 | kergoth | for some values of "work" |
| 02:03.13 | jcurry | what is s16k? |
| 02:03.18 | kergoth | its a development branch, so its continually improving |
| 02:03.27 | kergoth | the sharp zaurus sl-6000 |
| 02:03.43 | jcurry | so, shouldn't that be 6k? |
| 02:03.51 | kergoth | ? |
| 02:03.51 | jcurry | oh, sl6k |
| 02:03.55 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:04.01 | jcurry | i thought the L was a 1 |
| 02:04.10 | kergoth | fix your fonts :) |
| 02:04.26 | jcurry | i thought I had an awesome font |
| 02:04.44 | jcurry | a proggrammer's font, that wasn't supposed to have these problems |
| 02:06.00 | jcurry | wait, when is 'this weekend'? |
| 02:06.05 | jcurry | like, next weekend? |
| 02:06.12 | jcurry | you mean? |
| 02:06.13 | kergoth | like, tomorrow |
| 02:06.16 | jcurry | oh. |
| 02:06.20 | kergoth | we got hung up today on a couple bugs |
| 02:06.22 | jcurry | even better :) |
| 02:06.26 | kergoth | (namely, some touchscreen related opie crash) |
| 02:06.55 | jcurry | aah. is there any chance of oz switching to 2.6 in the future? |
| 02:07.27 | jcurry | cause it is supposed to have improved embedded device support, or something |
| 02:07.32 | kergoth | it will, some day |
| 02:07.34 | kergoth | its a ways out though |
| 02:07.44 | kolla | maybe a tuesday :) |
| 02:07.47 | jcurry | cool, just wondering |
| 02:07.51 | jcurry | lol |
| 02:09.48 | jcurry | does the default package manager work? |
| 02:10.41 | kergoth | the graphical ones? no idea |
| 02:10.46 | kergoth | teh opie one i know is improving |
| 02:10.53 | kergoth | dunno if its where it needs to be or not |
| 02:11.21 | jcurry | opie-aqpkg works fine, you should bundle that instead of opie-packagemanager |
| 02:11.57 | kergoth | i'd rather see packagemanager fixed |
| 02:12.11 | jcurry | how is it better? |
| 02:12.22 | kergoth | it uses libipkg rather than calling out the ipkg binary, for one |
| 02:12.30 | kergoth | saving a fork, and being less prone to failure due to ipkg output changes |
| 02:12.37 | kergoth | thats one of the biggest ones |
| 02:13.22 | jcurry | cool. |
| 02:13.25 | jcurry | can't wait |
| 02:13.36 | jcurry | do the mediaplayers work? |
| 02:14.00 | kergoth | is this de ja vu or what. |
| 02:14.01 | kergoth | 19:53 < jcurry> is there a fixed ipkg i could use, or is it a different kind of broken? |
| 02:14.04 | kergoth | 19:54 < kergoth> i dont know if its been fixed |
| 02:14.07 | kergoth | 19:54 < kergoth> i'll try it on my sl6k's opie image |
| 02:14.07 | kergoth | was i unclear? |
| 02:14.17 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:14.26 | jcurry | did you try it yet? |
| 02:14.30 | kergoth | no |
| 02:14.35 | kergoth | its still being built |
| 02:30.57 | jcurry | still building? |
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| 02:33.19 | kergoth | jcurry: no, now i'm hitting the aforementioned touchscreen related crash |
| 02:33.25 | kergoth | cant test multimedia until thats resolved |
| 02:33.26 | kergoth | so working on that |
| 02:33.32 | jcurry | right... |
| 02:33.39 | jcurry | devel work must be fun :) |
| 02:33.48 | kergoth | it can be, yeah |
| 02:34.09 | kergoth | you should contribute. we can always use a hand doing things like maintaining package builds in OE |
| 02:34.19 | jcurry | i canna code :( |
| 02:34.21 | kergoth | dont need to be a developer to do that, but helps reduce the load on the core devs |
| 02:34.40 | kergoth | dont need to code to maintain packages. just make sure they compile going forward, and add new versions to the build when they come out |
| 02:34.45 | kergoth | s/code/coder/ |
| 02:35.17 | jcurry | i'd love to, but i'm caught up in several other projects |
| 02:35.21 | jcurry | not to mention scool |
| 02:35.24 | jcurry | school* |
| 02:35.24 | kergoth | np |
| 02:35.35 | jcurry | maybe, when I have more time |
| 02:35.46 | kergoth | i just have to solicit help where i can. we've got over 1100 unique buildable packages in the system, and only like 5-10 of us maintaining them all |
| 02:35.49 | kergoth | if that |
| 02:36.10 | jcurry | that sucks...but you guys should advertise more |
| 02:36.24 | jcurry | get linux.com or newsforge.com to publish an article |
| 02:36.25 | kergoth | yeah, we need a "how to contribute" page on the sites |
| 02:36.31 | kergoth | OE is pretty low key right now |
| 02:36.33 | jcurry | that too |
| 02:36.41 | kergoth | once we release 1.0 of it, then we'll work on increasing visibility |
| 02:36.52 | jcurry | makes sense.... |
| 02:37.01 | kergoth | i know one guy is working on getting a series of articles on building embedded linux distributions using OE into linux journal (iirc) |
| 02:37.05 | kergoth | will see if that pans out |
| 02:37.30 | jcurry | that would be awesome |
| 02:37.49 | jcurry | getting something on slashdot would get you guys *high* visibility |
| 02:37.59 | kergoth | i should try to submit a presentation for the ottawa linux symposium on it |
| 02:38.20 | jcurry | someone has to do something really cool with a z running oz. |
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| 02:39.11 | jcurry | do it. |
| 02:39.13 | jcurry | that would be aesome |
| 02:39.13 | jcurry | awesome* |
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| 04:41.57 | ljp | boo! |
| 04:46.26 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:25.48 | ljp | hmm.. too cold to swim today |
| 05:36.10 | suley | hello all. I am wanting to install openzaurus but I am confused about what files to download |
| 05:36.18 | kergoth | what device? |
| 05:36.24 | suley | sl-5500 |
| 05:38.19 | suley | what is confusing to me is finding initrd.bin. I only found zImage and opie-image in download section |
| 05:38.28 | kergoth | opie-image is the initrd.bin |
| 05:38.29 | Pendalar | rename opie-image to initrd.bin |
| 05:38.30 | kergoth | as is gpe-image |
| 05:38.43 | kergoth | yeah, just rename it |
| 05:39.00 | suley | ok thanks. I was wondering that. just figured I would ask first. thanks. |
| 05:39.09 | suley | ok next question- |
| 05:39.17 | Pendalar | hh.org still having problems? |
| 05:39.22 | kergoth | yep |
| 05:39.25 | suley | It seems 3.5.1 is unstable |
| 05:39.28 | Pendalar | =-/ |
| 05:39.28 | kergoth | france is working on it |
| 05:39.32 | suley | how stable is it? |
| 05:39.38 | kergoth | suley: 3.5.2 is due to release *this weekend*. as in, today or tomorrow. |
| 05:39.49 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:40.00 | Pendalar | it's got issues but it's the first to be built with OE... so it's partially fine and partially proof-of-concept |
| 05:40.17 | kergoth | yep. every release it'll stabilize more, until we're back on par with 3.2 |
| 05:40.29 | Pendalar | the only problem I have with it is the package manager (of issues that I can't easily overlook) .. but you can use the cli ipk program |
| 05:40.31 | kergoth | and beyond, naturally ;) |
| 05:40.40 | kergoth | Pendalar: apparently drw has time to spend on opie again now |
| 05:40.44 | kergoth | Pendalar: he's the opie-packagemanager maintainer |
| 05:40.47 | kergoth | so it should stop sucking soon |
| 05:40.54 | suley | ok yes I like the idea of something other than sharp image. currently running a cracko or crow image |
| 05:41.14 | Pendalar | well I didn't mind that it didn't see local packages, because I ran boa and loop'd it |
| 05:41.22 | Pendalar | but the memory leak blows |
| 05:41.29 | kergoth | heh, you dont need boa man :) |
| 05:41.38 | kergoth | file:/mnt/cf or whatever |
| 05:41.39 | Pendalar | I had boa running anyways, so it didn't hurt |
| 05:41.41 | kergoth | you can add local feeds |
| 05:41.43 | kergoth | just drop Packages in |
| 05:41.45 | kergoth | ah |
| 05:42.00 | Pendalar | but like I can tap+hold on a package name to pull up it's info |
| 05:42.10 | Pendalar | cancel out.. repeat about 5 times.. and all the memory is gone |
| 05:42.16 | suley | what about using the cradle to connect to a linux box? |
| 05:42.26 | Pendalar | I run the memory applet so after about 3 it'll go to yellow or red |
| 05:42.40 | kergoth | yeah |
| 05:42.52 | kergoth | zecke caught a couple of the leaks already |
| 05:42.56 | kergoth | will definately improve |
| 05:42.59 | kergoth | suley: what about it? |
| 05:43.18 | Pendalar | have they been submitted to the OE packages bk? |
| 05:43.32 | kergoth | dunno |
| 05:43.40 | kergoth | ask drw |
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| 05:51.24 | dmakalsky | Hi everyone |
| 05:51.31 | dmakalsky | I just got my SL 5600 |
| 05:51.55 | dmakalsky | and I want to install the openzaurus OS on it |
| 05:52.03 | dmakalsky | what do I need to do to get started? |
| 05:54.01 | Pendalar | grab the opie-image or gpe-image .. rename that to initrd.bin, and the zImage |
| 05:54.20 | Pendalar | place them on a Fat16 formatted CF card.. and follow the installation guide at openzaurus.org |
| 05:55.45 | kergoth | no |
| 05:55.49 | kergoth | 5600 needs updater.sh |
| 05:56.07 | kergoth | you want to read the 5600 instructions on the openembedded.org wiki |
| 05:56.18 | Pendalar | I didn't say it didn't technically ;-) I said follow the instructions after those 2 files are on ;-) |
| 05:56.28 | Pendalar | reading the oe wiki might be hard.. |
| 05:56.30 | Pendalar | heh |
| 05:56.32 | kergoth | yep |
| 05:56.43 | kergoth | dmakalsky: put the kernel, initrd.bin, and updater.sh on the card. |
| 05:56.49 | dmakalsky | but wait |
| 05:56.56 | dmakalsky | how do I even put it on the card? |
| 05:57.04 | kergoth | ? |
| 05:57.06 | dmakalsky | I got the hardware without the cdrom |
| 05:57.10 | Pendalar | pc side card reader? |
| 05:57.25 | dmakalsky | all I have is what came in the box |
| 05:57.29 | dmakalsky | (it's used) |
| 05:57.30 | kergoth | i recommend you get a pcmcia or usb flash card reader |
| 05:57.50 | kergoth | otherwise if the flash messes up, your Z wont turn on, and you'll have no way to get hte files to the card then |
| 05:58.07 | dmakalsky | ok, so this card... is the built in flash mem? |
| 05:58.08 | Pendalar | and at that, they are getting uber cheap |
| 05:58.16 | kergoth | no |
| 05:58.24 | kergoth | you put the files on a compactflash or sd or mmc card. |
| 05:58.30 | kergoth | if you dont have one, you need to buy one |
| 05:58.39 | dmakalsky | oh, I see |
| 05:59.12 | dmakalsky | but is there any software I can download just to move some files to the device for the time being? |
| 05:59.20 | dmakalsky | until I get that device? |
| 05:59.40 | Pendalar | you do have a CF/SD/ or MMC? |
| 05:59.42 | kergoth | you need a card. |
| 06:00.37 | dmakalsky | how can I check? |
| 06:00.40 | kergoth | .. |
| 06:00.42 | dmakalsky | (sorry I am a real newbie) |
| 06:00.43 | Pendalar | lol |
| 06:00.52 | kergoth | if you dont know what a compactflash or sd or mmc card looks like, you're beyond my ability to help |
| 06:00.53 | Pendalar | do you know what a compact flash card is? |
| 06:00.56 | kergoth | google is your friend. |
| 06:01.02 | kergoth | go read. now. before i have to hurt you |
| 06:01.11 | Pendalar | notice the slots on the device.. probably empty? |
| 06:01.12 | dmakalsky | :) |
| 06:01.21 | Pendalar | probably a small slot and a large one |
| 06:01.26 | Pendalar | chippies go in them |
| 06:01.31 | Pendalar | go to walmart and buy one |
| 06:01.31 | dmakalsky | there's a slot up top... my Wireless card is in there |
| 06:01.43 | kergoth | that wireless card is compactflash. |
| 06:01.49 | Pendalar | ok your wireless card is a compact flash card |
| 06:01.51 | kergoth | you can buy storage cards for that, or you can buy a card for the smaller slot |
| 06:01.55 | Pendalar | we're refering to memory cards however |
| 06:02.01 | dmakalsky | I have something in the smaller one |
| 06:02.02 | kergoth | (sd or mmc (secure digital, or multimedia card, respectively) |
| 06:02.02 | kergoth | ) |
| 06:02.07 | dmakalsky | shall I pull it out? |
| 06:02.09 | kergoth | okay, you need to get the files onto that card. |
| 06:02.17 | kergoth | pulling it out isnt going to help you, unless you can put files on it telepathically |
| 06:02.20 | Pendalar | is it a chip or that plastic decoy? |
| 06:02.31 | dmakalsky | decoy... unfortunately ;( |
| 06:02.45 | kergoth | heh |
| 06:02.49 | kergoth | well then, you need a storage card. |
| 06:02.49 | dmakalsky | Can I pull one out of my digital camera? |
| 06:02.51 | Pendalar | then go to walmart and buy a chip for that, or buy a compact flash memory card |
| 06:03.02 | Pendalar | depends on what type fits your digicam |
| 06:03.17 | Pendalar | my digicams use XD and Memory Stick, and no they don't fit |
| 06:03.28 | Pendalar | if yours use SD/MMC/ or CF.. yes |
| 06:03.48 | dmakalsky | checking... |
| 06:03.55 | kergoth | i recommend extensive use of google |
| 06:04.00 | kergoth | and read the zaurus FAQ at zaurususergroup.com |
| 06:04.19 | dmakalsky | yes, sorry to bug you all |
| 06:04.47 | dmakalsky | yeah... it will only fit in the big slot |
| 06:04.59 | dmakalsky | ok... I will read up and get back to you tomorrow |
| 06:05.05 | dmakalsky | thanks all |
| 06:05.54 | Pendalar | reading will only help you so much, you need to go out and buy something if you don't already have it |
| 06:06.17 | kergoth | well, reading will give him the necessary background to be able to understand what he needs to buy and why |
| 06:06.20 | kergoth | heh |
| 06:06.36 | dmakalsky | and will keep kergoth from trying to hurt me :) |
| 06:07.05 | Pendalar | just buy kergoth some scotch later |
| 06:07.18 | kergoth | yes! scotch goooood |
| 06:07.25 | Pendalar | =-} |
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| 06:41.06 | dmakalsky | hey guys... anyone know where I can download the Windows XP USB driver for the SL 5600 |
| 06:41.07 | dmakalsky | ? |
| 07:32.57 | ljp | on the cd? |
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| 10:42.07 | Walmar | hello. i got a c760 since yesterday and have a problem with OZ loosing the time everytime i reboot. hwclock doesn't seem to work. anyone can help me ? |
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