irclog2html for #openzaurus on 20041216

00:10.54toad_anyone using bluetooth?
00:12.07toad_i think my card pretends to be a serial port
00:12.13toad_so the module needs to be told which port to use somehow
00:21.04toad_root@collie:/mnt/card/temp# hciattach /dev/ttyS3 bcsp
00:21.04toad_BCSP initialization timed out
00:21.06toad_hmmm
00:21.52toad_For the Socket Bluetooth CF Rev G Card (Look here for more details) and possibly other CSR UART based cards that use the BCSP protocol, install this package too:
00:21.53toad_shit
00:22.39toad_root@collie:/mnt/card/temp# hciattach /dev/ttyS3 uart
00:22.40toad_Unknown device type or id
00:22.49toad_but this IS a BCSP based card
00:22.54toad_so the driver clearly doesn't recognize it
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00:25.08toad_root@collie:/mnt/card/temp# hciattach /dev/ttyS3 bcsp
00:25.08toad_BCSP initialization timed out
00:27.45toad_root@collie:/mnt/card/temp# cardctl resume 0
00:27.45toad_ioctl(): Device or resource busy
00:27.50toad_http://www.socketforum.com/post.asp?method=ReplyQuote&REPLY_ID=5661&TOPIC_ID=1735&FORUM_ID=2
00:27.51toad_hmmm
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03:22.28NetNut404anyone sync with any stability with MS outlook? since I upgraded to oz 3.5.1 I havn't been able to get it to sync
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04:18.50JrHackerhello
04:18.56JrHackeris anyone here?
04:21.13JrHackerI am looking for someone who can spare a few minutes to assist me in flashing my ROM
04:23.23aTypicalHi, JrHacker.  I'm not great, but the install seemed pretty straight forward.  What kind of questions do you have?
04:24.06mjensenfire away
04:24.26aTypicalIf it matters, I'm using an SL-6000L.
04:24.37mjensenas am i
04:25.45aTypicalmjensen, are you using OZ?
04:27.29JrHackerjust how to do it
04:27.42JrHackerI currently have the Sharp 3.10 I believe
04:28.26JrHackerbut I'm a completely new Z user
04:28.35JrHackerI got it about 2 months ago
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04:31.18aTypicalJrHacker, which Z did you get?
04:32.01JrHacker5500
04:32.17JrHackeroff ebay
04:33.04aTypicalOK.  Were you planning on going with 3.5.1 or 3.5.2?
04:33.42JrHacker3.5.2 is the latest, right? I saw that 3.5.2 was out... is there some reason that I should go with 3.5.1?
04:34.14aTypicalBecause 3.5.2 is the latest and just came out. :)
04:35.18JrHackerthat's a reason I should go with 3.5.1? I am unable to follow your reasoning...
04:35.21JrHacker;-)
04:35.35aTypicalLatest and greatest != most stable.
04:36.09JrHackerah ok
04:36.17JrHackerso it's still not fully stable?
04:36.46aTypicalOn my 6000, no it's not.  However, I no longer have my 5500 so I can't say.
04:37.15JrHackerwell then I'll probably go with the 5500
04:37.26JrHackerI'm going on a trip soon and don't want it dying on me
04:37.27JrHacker:)
04:37.59aTypicalHave you read the instructions for installing the image?
04:38.55aTypicalhttp://www.openzaurus.org/web/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=20&Itemid=44
04:40.13NetNut404_remoteanyone have any luck syncing with outlook?
04:40.53aTypicalNetNut404_remote, synching what Z and what software?
04:41.22NetNut404_remoteI have oz 3.5.1 on a 5500
04:41.45aTypicalWhat version of outlook?
04:41.49JrHackerwhich zImage file do I get?
04:41.54NetNut404_remote2003
04:42.14JrHackerthe howto doesn't tell
04:42.22NetNut404_remoteI have been trying to get intellisync to work
04:42.41aTypicalNetNut404_remote, from what I understand intellisync on the Z doesn't work with 2003.
04:44.16NetNut404_remotehmm well what one does sync with outlook 2003
04:44.48aTypicalJrHacker, I always went with the default image.  I think I had the 40/24.
04:45.20aTypicalNetNut404_remote, I don't think any do.  The only other thing I remember reading has something to do with turning off your anti-virus software.
04:46.01JrHackerwhat does that effect?
04:46.35aTypicalIt dictates how much memory is reserved for the system and how much for storage.
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04:46.39aTypicalI think.
04:47.38JrHackeroh, ok... so 40/24 would be 40 for the system and 24 for storage?
04:47.45JrHackeror the other way around?
04:47.48aTypicalI think the other way around.
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04:48.52aTypicalSorry, I think I'm wrong.  I think the first # is system and the second storage.
04:48.56JrHackeroh.
04:49.03JrHackerok
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04:49.47aTypicalDo you have an SD card that you plan to use?  If not, I highly recommend getting one.
04:50.03aTypicalWith OZ you can install the apps to the SD card.
04:50.33JrHackerI have a CF...
04:50.46JrHackerand yes, a 32mb SD too...
04:50.57JrHackerbut it's got a whole bunch of palm apps on it right now
04:51.04aTypicalHmmm.  The reason I say SD for storage is so you can leave the CF slot open for wifi.
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04:51.45aTypicalCoreDump|af-, you feeling OK?
04:51.57JrHackeroh... good idea
04:52.11JrHackerI don't have a wifi yet.
04:52.17JrHackertoo expensive :)
04:52.35aTypicalNah, I got one on sale at CompUSA for something life $30/
04:52.49aTypicalIt worked like a charm with my Z.
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04:55.09JrHackerlike I said.. too expensive
04:55.12JrHacker:)
04:55.19aTypicalOh.  Start saving.
04:55.25JrHackerheh
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04:55.33JrHackerI'm hoping for one for Christmas
04:55.37JrHackerumm
04:55.40aTypicalCool.
04:55.42JrHackerwhere is the initrd file?
04:55.56JrHackerI can't find it in the 3.5.1 folder on openzaurus.com
04:56.23kergoththe -image file _is_ the initrd.bin
04:56.26kergothyou rename it
04:56.34aTypicalHi, kergoth.
04:56.45kergothhey
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04:57.01aTypicalJrHacker, if kergoth is willing to help you you'll get it installed in no time.  I'll be back in a minute, I've got to tuck in my daughter.
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04:58.11JrHackerhuh? that isn't what the howto says...
04:58.49JrHackeroh ok here it is
04:58.55JrHackerit's the .jff files
04:58.57JrHacker*file
04:59.02JrHackerbut which one do I get?
04:59.18JrHackerbootstrap, opie, or gpe?
04:59.25JrHackerwhat's the difference...
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05:00.16kergothJrHacker: bootstrap is console only.
05:00.23kergothJrHacker: gpe and opie are two graphical environments.
05:00.29JrHackeroh
05:00.29kergothJrHacker: opie is a fork of qtopia. GPE runs on X.
05:00.38JrHackerwhich do you use?
05:00.48kergothits a personal preference.
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05:00.51kergothyou should try both
05:00.59JrHackerhow am I supposed to do that?
05:01.05kergothhuh?
05:01.07kergothflash one. use it for a while
05:01.11kergothflash the other. use it for a while
05:01.24JrHackeroh
05:01.25kergothi didnt say both at the same time, just both.
05:01.27JrHackerpain...
05:01.36JrHacker:)
05:01.46kergothor you can pick one and random, never try the other, and perhaps miss out on using the one that fits you better.
05:01.52kergoththats the way it is
05:01.55JrHackerwhich do you recommend as the first?
05:01.55kergoths/and/at/
05:01.59kergothit doesnt matter
05:02.06kergothif you've been using sharp, opie will be more familiar
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05:02.11kergothand can run old apps using oz-compat
05:02.17JrHackerI run linux on my home comp.
05:02.23JrHackerX
05:02.48JrHackerold apps... what do you mean by that? "old apps" won't work with the new OZ?
05:02.58kergothi mean old qtopia apps, like on zsi or other feeds or sharp
05:03.17kergoththe new OZ isnt binary compatible with sharp.  we chose to lose it to gain performance and use a recent compiler
05:03.28JrHackeroh ok
05:03.28JrHackerneat
05:03.29kergoththe benefits are worthwhile, but you have to install oz-compat to run 3rd party apps that arent in our feeds.
05:03.45JrHackeroh, ok
05:03.47kergothif you find an app that isnt in our feed, but which is open source, we can compile it for oz and itll work without oz-compat
05:03.54kergothso its really only the commercial apps you'd _need_ it for
05:03.59JrHacker:)
05:04.20JrHackerspeaking of compiling and porting... somebody should port baldur's gate
05:04.21JrHacker:)
05:04.43JrHacker(I know I know... "go learn C and do it yourself")
05:04.46JrHacker;)
05:05.00kergothbaldur's gate isnt open source, and its binaries are compiled for a different architecture
05:05.03kergothnot gonna happen
05:05.11JrHackeryeah, I know
05:05.24JrHackerI was just talking out of my head
05:05.31kergoth~lart JrHacker
05:05.44JrHackerow.
05:05.49JrHackerI REPENT!!
05:06.29kergoth~insult JrHacker
05:06.32kergoth:)
05:06.47JrHacker*cough*
05:06.52JrHackerI was aware of that...
05:07.22JrHackerI beg your forgiveness
05:09.05aTypicalI'm back.  JrHacker, other people have not had this problem, but gpe was a little slow for me on my 5500.  I used Opie.
05:09.14JrHackerSo... I'm downloading opie... it'll take a while though (I'm on dial-up)
05:09.52whatahtahI remember a time, where DLing from oz.org would lead to corrupted downloads, heh
05:09.57JrHackeroh, thanks aTypical... glad you're back (and weren't back 2 minutes ago)
05:10.29aTypical:-)
05:10.57JrHackerumm... kergoth... you're on the OZ development team?
05:11.42JrHacker*sigh* he isn't talking to me
05:11.51JrHackerI must have really offended him.
05:12.16JrHackerWould you like me to stick my head in a bucket of water? I have one here... just a moment
05:13.26kergothyes, i am, i started the project
05:13.36alakdangpe on the 3.5.2 release does not have sound enabled, I read somewhere that cool developers have to take it out because of some issues. Is it now resolved?
05:14.06JrHackeraaaaah. I humbly implore your forgiveness.
05:14.54kergothforgiveness?  you took me far too seriously
05:15.11kergoth~fishslap JrHacker
05:15.17ibotACTION slaps JrHacker up side the head with a wet fish.
05:15.17aTypicalJrHacker, watch out...he's got a knife!!!
05:15.18JrHackerWell, I don't exactly know you very well...
05:15.33kergothi'm a bastard most of the time.  if i'm offended, you'll know it
05:15.35JrHackeryeah well I have a Zaurus.
05:15.40JrHackerand I take karate
05:15.42JrHacker;)
05:16.14JrHackerOk kergoth.. I'm glad you weren't REALLY offended at my ignorance.
05:16.17aTypicalJrHacker, please read the "I'm a bastard" part at least twice.
05:16.38JrHackerDo they call that "cushioning"?
05:16.50kergoth~emulate kergoth
05:16.51ibotACTION mutters about buildsystems and tells people to RTFM.
05:17.04JrHackerlol
05:17.05aTypicalJrHacker, not knowing is OK.  Wanting someone to spoon feed you because you're too damn lazy to RTFM is not.
05:17.13kergothwell said
05:17.42aTypical:-)
05:18.04JrHackerI have been told so... and (unless I am greatly mistaken) that was not what kergoth was chastising me for
05:18.32JrHackeractually... I browse the man pages in my spare time
05:18.48aTypicalNo, it's why he is not offended with you.
05:18.52JrHacker(I'm pretty new to linux too... switched over about 7 mos. ago)
05:18.54aTypicalI'm guessing here.
05:20.05JrHackerwhy he's not offended at me... as in, because I am _trying_ to read the howtos and guides and work stuff out on my own?
05:20.18aTypicalYes.
05:20.31JrHackerI thought that's what you meant.
05:20.49JrHackerSometimes I am guilty of it though.
05:20.50aTypicalThere are a lot of people (me included) who just want someone to do it for them.
05:20.58JrHackerlol
05:21.09aTypicalIf I could afford to keep kergoth on retainer I would.
05:21.40JrHackerI like to excuse that behavior by telling myself that I have dialup and they can look it up so much faster than I can.....
05:21.42JrHackerlol
05:21.51JrHackerbut I am trying to get away from that bad habit.
05:22.42aTypicalYeah, me too.
05:22.55JrHackerI have a question, though, to which I have so far been unable to find the answer
05:23.06kergothheh, i'm the opposite.  it takes me longer to do things because i dont ask for help. whatever it is, i hammer at it continually until i figure it out and/or get it working.
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05:23.36kergothin fact, i just got in trouble at work for missing a deadline because i didnt ask for help sooner
05:23.44kergothheh
05:23.44aTypicallol.
05:24.02aTypicalI get so damn frustrated that I think I'll throw the Z through the window.
05:24.17kergothheh
05:24.35JrHackerhey, if you ever are actually about to do it...
05:24.38kergothwhen i was first creating oz 3.0, the first release built from scratch, i was reflashing the Z like 20-30 times a day
05:24.40JrHackerhow about mailing it to me instead?
05:24.42JrHacker:)
05:24.48kergothyou can imagine how frustrating that was, problem after problem
05:24.50JrHackerwow
05:25.44JrHackeractually... I can't quite imagine it. I have not had many problems with my Z, and I've never had to flash it
05:25.55JrHackerbut I'll pretend like I can imagine it if you want me to
05:25.57JrHacker:)
05:27.16kergoththat was directed at aTypical, in response to his comment about frustration w/ the Z
05:27.19kergothheh
05:27.29kergothin other words, it could be worse :)
05:27.32aTypical:)
05:29.22JrHackeroh good.. I don't have to use my imagination
05:29.28JrHackeror... pretend to use my imagination
05:29.34JrHacker(which is worse?)
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05:30.56alonhi
05:31.07aloni have a dead sl-6000 on my hands
05:31.15alonanybody?
05:31.16JrHackermail it to me! :)
05:31.22alonnot that dead..
05:31.27alonI'm looking for help
05:31.28JrHacker:)
05:31.32JrHackerohhhh
05:31.39JrHackerthen I'll shut up
05:31.45alonproblem is, it won't turn on or go into the maintainance menu
05:32.06aloncan you help JrHacker?
05:32.18JrHackerno. I've never touched a 6000
05:32.26alontoo baf
05:32.27JrHackeror had any problem like that with my 5500
05:32.30JrHacker:)
05:32.30alon^H^H^Hbad
05:32.45JrHacker(you could remedy that by mailing it to me)
05:32.53kergothalon: try taking the battery out for a bit.
05:33.02kergothalon: i think every sl6k owner has gotten into that state a few times now
05:33.03alonok. then what?
05:33.05kergothits annoying
05:33.24alonI had oz 3.5.2 running. I don't know what got me into this state.
05:33.27alon(gpe)
05:33.45alonbattery out
05:33.54alondo anything with the backup battery switch?
05:34.01kergothi dont know the exact procedure to get it turned on, i generally just fuck with various combinations of battery removal, full resetting, etc to get it back
05:34.15kergothi'm sure aTypical or someone else taht uses their 6k more often may have a better idea as to the procedure
05:34.15alondo you use any of the magic sequences?
05:34.30JrHackerI am looking at the filelist for gaim for the zaurus... there is a file gpe-gaim_***.ipk, but no file opie-gaim_***.ipk.. Does anyone know what does this mean?
05:34.37JrHackers/mean/means
05:34.44kergothdoesnt mean anything.
05:34.51kergothqpe is qtopia. qtopia apps run in opie
05:35.15JrHackerthere isn't a qtopia one either... unless I'm mistaken?
05:35.18alon10x, I hope this helps.
05:35.21kergoth?
05:35.22JrHackerperhaps I just don't understand.
05:35.27kergothwhat part of "qpe is qtopia" do you not get?
05:35.30kergothqpe = qtopi
05:35.31kergothqpe = qtopia
05:35.35alonbye
05:35.41kergoththerefore, qpe-gaim is gaim for qtopia
05:35.46JrHackeroh oh oh... I thought it was gpe
05:35.48JrHackerhah
05:35.52kergothno, get a better font
05:35.56kergothor better eyes, depending
05:35.58JrHacker:)
05:36.01JrHackerlol
05:36.25kergoththe ipk called just 'gaim' is gaim for gpe, its the normal X gaim, same as you'd use on your desktop
05:36.30JrHackerit's just that the links are underlined, so I can't tell if it's a g or a q
05:36.31kergothqpe-gaim is the one you want for opie
05:36.54JrHackeris there one called just gaim?... I don't see it?
05:37.08JrHackerbut I guess it doesn't matter.. I don't need it
05:37.18kergothyes, there is, but its probably in the x feed
05:37.28JrHackeroh wait there it is... "libgaim"
05:37.38kergothno, thats libgaim
05:37.47JrHacker(is that it?)
05:37.48kergothwhich is the gaim backend, used by qpe-gaim
05:37.51kergothlibgaim != gaim
05:37.54kergothlibgaim = libgaim
05:38.17JrHackerwell there isn't one in this folder just called "gaim"
05:38.24JrHackerexcuse me for thinking you could be mistaken
05:38.31JrHacker;)
05:40.32JrHackerI guess I don't really need to worry about it since I don't need it
05:40.52JrHackermy OZ dl should be done in about 20 minutes :)
05:46.03JrHackerkergoth...
05:46.17JrHackerI don't suppose you need any non-programming help with OZ?
05:46.38kergothwe can always use package maintainers (just involves being able to build things), documenters, testers, web people, etc
05:50.43JrHackerweb people....?
05:50.52JrHackerwhat would that involve?
05:54.36kergoththere's still some stuff we need for the sites, both for oz and oe
05:54.50kergothwe need some sort of 'how to contribute' page
05:54.53kergoththats a priority
05:54.59kergothopenembedded.org needs a download page
05:55.13kergoththe content on openzaurus.org needs updating and adding to, improving the installation guides, etc
05:56.31JrHackerDo you think there's anything I could help with (part time - I work)?
06:02.16JrHackerI've done some web design... I could do testing
06:02.33JrHacker(maybe... I don't know if you can use people with 5500's)
06:02.38JrHacker(for testing)
06:03.44Radiancewell he just told ya what you can do :)
06:03.55Radianceso now you choose and msg him
06:04.49JrHackeroh, I was more asking if, knowing me the amount that he does, he thinks I would be capable of any of that. :)
06:05.02Radianceyes you would be :)
06:05.08kergothright, decide what you want to do and have at it.  on the web site work, you'd want to talk to the oz or oe webmasters
06:05.20kergoththey can likely coordinate fleshing out the content
06:05.23JrHackermmmkay
06:11.11netsplitOh, /me wants to help too.
06:12.20netsplitI choose uhm uhm building packages, but no idea how yet.
06:12.47JrHacker:)
06:12.50JrHackerhi netsplit
06:12.54netsplitHi JrHacker.
06:12.58netsplitYa want to help together?
06:13.04netsplitWe can both build packages.
06:13.18netsplitThe problem is I appear to have filled up my root partition.
06:13.43netsplitSo I can't install anything :/
06:13.55netsplitWhy was root a separate partition from home?
06:14.18netsplitDid you ever get that SD/CF card JrHacker?
06:14.44JrHackerI just got a 128mb in the mail today :)
06:14.52JrHackersmall, but better than nothing
06:14.59netsplitOh?  CF or SD?
06:14.59JrHackerand only $3 after the rebate
06:15.02JrHackercf
06:15.07netsplitNice nice!
06:15.26JrHackerit's mostly for music.. I'm hoping to get a nice BIG sd for my apps & other stuff
06:15.34netsplitYup yup.
06:15.48netsplitIs there documentation on how to build the entire thing?
06:16.01netsplitThe entire distribution.
06:16.37kergothyes.
06:16.46kergothopenembedded.org -> wiki -> GettingStarted
06:18.20JrHackerhmm.. how are you supposed to graffiti a @?
06:18.31JrHackernm I got it
06:18.40JrHackerit just didn't want to recognize mine :)
06:20.07netsplitOh, I know what I want to maintain too ... irssi hehe.