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| 01:46.55 | greyL | good evening... anyone got the glib 2.0 dev headers compiled :) just figured thats my new greeting |
| 01:47.32 | greyL | actually I'm excited, we now get cellular coverage at my house wow...bfe just gets a little closer to town each day |
| 01:47.49 | greyL | now to get the gprs modem working in 3.5.2 |
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| 02:22.08 | nachoguy | has anyone gotten mp3s to play on oz 3.5.2 gpe? I tried installing mpg321, but I get errors about libao. I've not actually found anything wrong with it though. |
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| 04:44.51 | duffolonious | how does openzaurus load modules on startup? |
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| 05:25.26 | kos | is there a way to flash without having a 16 mb cf card? |
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| 05:37.10 | kos | is it possible to lash from the sd card? |
| 05:37.16 | kos | flash* |
| 05:38.53 | duffolonious | yes. |
| 05:39.06 | duffolonious | that is one of the medium options. |
| 05:39.12 | duffolonious | I think it's the one above cf |
| 05:40.50 | kos | what do you mean? |
| 05:40.59 | kos | i want to install OZ 3.5.2 |
| 05:41.07 | kos | but i only have a 16mb sd card |
| 05:41.14 | kos | i dont have a 16mb cf card |
| 05:41.17 | kos | is it possible? |
| 05:42.09 | kos | duffolonious, how? |
| 05:52.56 | duffolonious | it's an option in the second install menu. |
| 05:54.46 | duffolonious | there should be and "sd" option in the flasher program (same menu where you select your cf card). |
| 06:00.02 | duffolonious | heh, guess not. |
| 06:00.08 | duffolonious | nevermind. |
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| 06:10.40 | Shdwdrgn | kos - you cannot install the OS from SD... it's only possible from a CF card |
| 06:11.18 | Shdwdrgn | at least that was true with the sl5x00.. that may have changed with other models |
| 06:13.08 | kos | why is that? |
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| 06:16.13 | kos | Shdwdrgn, would it work from a microdrive? |
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| 06:34.07 | nachoguy | the sl5600 can install from the sd. I've done it twice in the past 24 hours |
| 06:35.54 | nachoguy | has anyone gotten mp3s to play on oz 3.5.2 gpe? I tried installing mpg321, but I get errors about libao. I've not actually found anything wrong with libao.conf though. |
| 06:37.50 | kos | nachoguy, i've got 5500, does sd work on there too? |
| 06:38.07 | nachoguy | kos< only way to find out would be to try |
| 06:38.19 | nachoguy | it'll take all of 3 minutes to find out |
| 06:39.07 | kos | yeah |
| 06:39.14 | kos | ive never tried gpe |
| 06:39.21 | kos | in your opinion is it better then opie? |
| 06:39.43 | nachoguy | i've not tried OZ opie, but I didn't like the sharp rom |
| 06:40.05 | nachoguy | I may have to go with opie, if I can't get mp3s to play and a decent browser o here |
| 06:40.18 | nachoguy | I hear that firefox will work, just that it is large |
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| 07:33.48 | kos | what feed do i use with oz 3.5.2 (opie) ? |
| 07:35.24 | _erik | http://www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.2/feed/ |
| 07:35.33 | kos | thanks |
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| 07:55.18 | kos | where can i get a browser? |
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| 09:12.10 | kos | when you install from the package manager shouldnt it auto check for dependancies? |
| 09:27.08 | XorA | kos: it should |
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| 09:54.19 | aquarius | I'm trying to use mpg321 on OZ3.5.2 on a Zaurus 5000D. It throws an error about there being no default libao audio device. What should I set in /etc/libao.conf as the default_device? "null" makes the program work (but obviously plays no sound), "oss" and "alsa" and "alsa09" don't work. |
| 09:57.20 | hrw|work | package with libao was broken |
| 09:59.14 | aquarius | ah. |
| 09:59.22 | aquarius | OK, then I have an All New question :) |
| 09:59.34 | aquarius | How do I play mp3s on a machine running OZ3.5.2 and GPE? |
| 09:59.42 | aquarius | (a Z5000D) |
| 09:59.47 | _erik | is there a libvorbisidec1 (2003) somewhere that fills the dep of opie-mediaplayer1? the 2002 version in the feed is too old, and using -nodeps to bypass it resulted in a non-working opie player |
| 10:00.40 | hrw|work | _erik: show that deps |
| 10:01.46 | aquarius | mpg321 doesn't work, since libao is broken. mp3blaster doesn't work because it needs an 80x24 screen. |
| 10:02.13 | _erik | sec, thing just locked on me naturally |
| 10:06.18 | _erik | wonderful, junk flowing up the console, something about garbage_colletion. guess it's time for that daily flash. |
| 10:10.06 | _erik | is 3.5.1 any better/stable?, this is getting really old. by the time i get to actually using the thing, i have to flash it |
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| 10:12.51 | XorA | _erik: not really, they are both really beta |
| 10:14.29 | kos | anyone use GPE? |
| 10:15.08 | kos | i dont get the package manager |
| 10:15.09 | kos | where do you set the feeds you want? |
| 10:17.13 | kos | how do i install a browser? |
| 10:17.37 | aquarius | kos: don't use the package manager: it's competely broken. |
| 10:17.46 | aquarius | use ipkg from the command line. |
| 10:18.51 | kos | oh |
| 10:18.58 | kos | mmm |
| 10:19.06 | kos | and how do you tell it where to install packages? |
| 10:20.17 | hrw|work | ipkg -d cf (or sd or ram) |
| 10:20.42 | kos | but i wonna install on ram |
| 10:20.52 | aquarius | ipkg -d ram install <pkg> |
| 10:21.01 | aquarius | and then ipkg-list mount /mnt/ram |
| 10:21.19 | aquarius | hang on: you mean "in the internal memory"? |
| 10:21.35 | kos | ya |
| 10:21.35 | aquarius | don't specify a -d parameter at all, if you want it to go into normal internal memory. |
| 10:21.42 | aquarius | ipkg install <pkg> |
| 10:21.50 | aquarius | and you don't need ipkg-link, in that case. |
| 10:22.21 | aquarius | I still can't work out how to play mp3s :( |
| 10:36.36 | XorA | aquarius: xmms |
| 10:39.19 | aquarius | XorA: I'm using gpe, not opie...I don't think there's an xmms that runs on gpe, is there? |
| 10:53.21 | XorA | aquarius: um, maybe I made that up then :-) |
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| 10:56.24 | aquarius | it's been ported to opie... |
| 10:56.54 | aquarius | xmms itself, the real one, is gtk, but I don't think that'll run, plus I'll have to recompile it |
| 10:57.43 | XorA | aquarius: Im prbably thinking of pdaXrom |
| 10:58.02 | aquarius | ahahaha no. I'm having enough difficulty with gpe :) |
| 10:58.37 | hrw|work | OE doesnt build xmms - we have beepmp instead |
| 10:58.52 | aquarius | is that a gui program? |
| 10:59.11 | hrw|work | its xmms on gtk2 |
| 10:59.27 | aquarius | ah...so theoretically it should work on GPE? |
| 10:59.40 | hrw|work | perhaps |
| 10:59.50 | hrw|work | I dont trace GPE/X11 |
| 10:59.54 | hrw|work | I'm opie user |
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| 11:04.54 | _Andre | Hi... Is this a good place to ask for help while trying to build OZ packages using the OE buildsystem? |
| 11:07.20 | hrw|work | _Andre: #oe |
| 11:09.02 | XorA | opie clashes with my sense of sensibleness |
| 11:09.28 | aquarius | XorA: that's why I'm using gpe. I don't like Opie. But GPe doesn't have enough apps, and it crashes a lot... |
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| 11:47.46 | kos | what browsers are there for opie? |
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| 11:58.22 | XorA | kos: konquerer-embedded |
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| 12:02.55 | LarsAC | I installed the xmms ipk, how can I start xmms now ? |
| 12:03.59 | hrw|work | kos: konqueror-embedded |
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| 12:43.28 | dipnlik | hello, anyone around? |
| 12:49.05 | XorA | yup |
| 12:49.24 | dipnlik | hi XorA . |
| 12:49.51 | dipnlik | I'm using OZ but can't remember what zIgame i used. Is there an easy way to discover that? |
| 12:49.53 | hrw|work | hi dipnlik |
| 12:49.59 | hrw|work | dipnlik: collie? |
| 12:49.59 | dipnlik | zImage* |
| 12:50.02 | dipnlik | yes, collie |
| 12:50.10 | hrw|work | dipnlik: how much memory you have? |
| 12:50.38 | hrw|work | first tab in opie-sysinfo will tell you.. |
| 12:50.43 | dipnlik | System info says Total Memory 62412 kB |
| 12:50.51 | dipnlik | 64 Mb, i presume |
| 12:50.53 | hrw|work | so 64-0 |
| 12:51.04 | dipnlik | ok. |
| 12:52.51 | XorA | cat /proc/cmdline will also return what mtdram parts were defined |
| 12:54.16 | dipnlik | I still didn't understand my collie's memory exactly... |
| 12:54.33 | dipnlik | it has 64 MB |
| 12:54.58 | dipnlik | and it has a /mnt/ram with 32MB. Are these 32 part of the 64 ? |
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| 13:05.51 | hrw|work | ? |
| 13:06.08 | hrw|work | mem=64MiB means no /mnt/ram/ |
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| 13:10.46 | dipnlik | i have a /mnt/ram directory, but just noticed it is not mounted. |
| 13:11.16 | hrw|work | exact |
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| 13:11.35 | dipnlik | system info lists a Internal Memory with only 64KiB of 32MB used. What is this? |
| 13:12.09 | hrw|work | it's tmpfs which we use for /var/ |
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| 13:13.45 | dipnlik | pardon me but what is /var/ for exactly? Program variables and such? |
| 13:14.02 | dipnlik | i was wondering if 32MiB for this is too much |
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| 13:14.40 | hrw|work | it resize dynamically up to 32MiB |
| 13:15.22 | dipnlik | oh, so it is not wasted space. Now I understand |
| 13:16.21 | dipnlik | do you have any ideas on how can i fix my voide recording problem? |
| 13:20.46 | hrw|work | no |
| 13:21.24 | dipnlik | k, thanks |
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| 14:18.14 | dipnlik | trying to run qplot on OZ, I ran make compat /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/qplot but it says: qplot: symbol lookup error: qplot: undefined symbol: _ZN7QString11shared_nullE. Any ideas? |
| 14:25.09 | XorA | dipnlik: oz-compat |
| 14:26.13 | dipnlik | XorA: installed it and ran makecompat /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/qplot . What's next? |
| 14:26.55 | dipnlik | XorA: w/o the compat libs, running it from console does nothing, tapping the icon gives me a SIGPIPE error. |
| 14:27.08 | hrw|work | dipnlik: qplot should be in feed |
| 14:27.28 | dipnlik | hrw|work: It is, got it from there |
| 14:27.55 | dipnlik | hrw|work: w/o the compat libs it did nothing, so I thought it needed oz-compat |
| 14:28.14 | hrw|work | dipnlik: OZ 3.5.x feeds doesnt need oz-compat |
| 14:28.22 | XorA | dipnlik: ah using oz-compat will cause the same errors as not using it on something that needs it |
| 14:29.21 | XorA | dipnlik: install strace and see if that gives any clues |
| 14:29.28 | dipnlik | oh, ok. Unlinked it. Will try strace |
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| 14:31.27 | dipnlik | last lines of strace are: |
| 14:31.30 | dipnlik | write(1, "ibase_decimal=ibase\n", 20) = -1 EPIPE (Broken pipe) |
| 14:31.31 | dipnlik | --- SIGPIPE (Broken pipe) @ 0 (0) --- |
| 14:31.31 | dipnlik | +++ killed by SIGPIPE +++ |
| 14:31.59 | hrw|work | can you use http://pastebin.ca and put whole log there? |
| 14:32.16 | dipnlik | hrw|work: I think so. |
| 14:34.26 | hrw|work | I'll try to run qplot on my collie |
| 14:34.40 | hrw|work | I hope it will work as it is old one.. |
| 14:35.08 | XorA | is qplot the frontend to gnuplot? |
| 14:35.29 | dipnlik | wow, can't strace output to a text file? |
| 14:35.29 | hrw|work | qplot InputMethod works |
| 14:35.43 | XorA | strace blah 2>log |
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| 14:36.00 | dipnlik | why the 2> ? |
| 14:36.09 | XorA | stderr not stdio |
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| 14:36.32 | dipnlik | pardon me? |
| 14:36.44 | _erik | -o log |
| 14:37.16 | XorA | the error stream rather than the standard io stream |
| 14:37.25 | XorA | ie, where errors are normally reported |
| 14:37.42 | dipnlik | XorA: oh, ok |
| 14:39.56 | dipnlik | hrw|work: http://pastebin.ca/4098 |
| 14:40.07 | hrw|work | ok |
| 14:42.17 | dipnlik | is qpose on the feeds? |
| 14:42.20 | hrw|work | no |
| 14:42.30 | dipnlik | but does it work? |
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| 14:43.01 | hrw|work | who knows... |
| 14:43.09 | dipnlik | ok, will try it |
| 14:44.26 | dipnlik | also, any plans on including txt2tags and z-tex on the feeds? |
| 14:44.59 | XorA | eww, qplot is nasty, passing its fd's through a pipe before forking |
| 14:45.37 | hrw|work | dipnlik: feel free to add it into OE and maintain |
| 14:46.27 | dipnlik | hrw|work: ok, will try to get more info on these two to include them. |
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| 15:03.37 | dipnlik | what do I need to have python on my Z? |
| 15:04.41 | hrw|work | install it? |
| 15:05.56 | dipnlik | I mean, what packages, are them on the feed, etc. |
| 15:06.42 | hrw|work | let me guess.. probably "python" will be name... and about feed.. check it |
| 15:07.48 | dipnlik | ipkg list | grep [Pp]ython gives me no python packages, but i'll check all of the feeds later |
| 15:12.58 | dipnlik | Well, if anyone is interested, th python package available on the t2t site works fine. |
| 15:13.06 | dipnlik | http://txt2tags-pda.sourceforge.net/ |
| 15:13.26 | dipnlik | Great piece of software |
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| 16:52.13 | aquarius | In which package in the OZ 3.5.2 feed will I find linecache.py? ipkgfind seems to be oriented towards familiar, and doesn't seem to give me the right answers... |
| 16:53.23 | XorA | aquarius: if its a python module it may not be packaged, I noticed some were missing and havent had time to submit patches yet |
| 16:54.25 | aquarius | XorA: if it's actually not packaged then I don't mind including my own copy, but I wanted to check that it was not packaged, and I don't know how to do that without installing everything! |
| 16:54.36 | XorA | aquarius: Im just finding some info for you |
| 16:54.42 | aquarius | XorA: cheers! |
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| 16:55.22 | XorA | python-core apparently |
| 16:55.35 | XorA | erm mistype, python-lang |
| 16:55.41 | XorA | http://openembedded.bkbits.net:8080/openembedded/anno/packages/python/python-2.3.4-manifest.inc@1.13?nav=index.html|src/|src/packages|src/packages/python |
| 16:55.51 | XorA | is the file that controls what modules go in the packages |
| 16:56.09 | aquarius | ah-ha! |
| 16:56.44 | XorA | anyway time for me to flea |
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| 17:04.58 | Fisu | Is there limited number of writes to the Collie ROOT partition? |
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| 17:17.14 | duffolonious | how does one view the contents of an ipk? I thought they were just tar.gz files, but apparently not. |
| 17:18.53 | Fisu | doffolonious: ar -x package.ipk or tar zxvf package.ipk && tar ztvf data.tar.gz. I've not yet figuted out how to look inside a tar file in a compressed file. |
| 17:19.19 | Fisu | ie. one has to decompress the ipk first |
| 17:20.24 | duffolonious | tar tvzf data.tar.gz should show the contents of data.tar.gz (that's what the 't' argument is for). |
| 17:20.47 | Fisu | Yes, but to get the data.tar.gz you have to first decompress the .ipk |
| 17:22.05 | duffolonious | if it is in valid gzip format you shouldn't have to |
| 17:22.38 | duffolonious | tar xvzf package.ipk is giving me errors: not in gzip format. |
| 17:23.02 | Fisu | duffolonious: 1) *.ipk has three files, data.tar.gz and two others. the IPK itself is compressed either in tar.gz or ar |
| 17:23.28 | Fisu | so to decompress that ipk, you need to issue "ar -x package.ipk" |
| 17:23.33 | duffolonious | it is in ar. |
| 17:24.46 | duffolonious | ok that was the problem. |
| 17:24.57 | duffolonious | thanks. |
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| 18:10.02 | hrw|gone | alias ipkgfiles="ar p $1 data.tar.gz | tar -tvz" should help |
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| 19:57.31 | duffolonious | anyone ever use the cfu1u usb host pcmcia card? I'm trying it out in my cl-760, but I'm getting unresolved symbols. |
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| 23:03.55 | Ikky-Zaurus | Yeeeeeep. Not much choice in Opie. |
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| 23:15.06 | rza | hi ive got a 5600 and just downloaded the new ipkg-link so i can install apps to /home/user/ everything installed fine and ipkg-link was run but when i try to start the app it cant find the libs |
| 23:15.40 | Ikkakujyu | Okay. Did you run ipkg-link add [packagename]? |
| 23:16.00 | Ikkakujyu | For all the dependencies, too? |
| 23:16.05 | rza | no i used the package manager app |
| 23:16.38 | rza | could i use ipkg-link mount /home |
| 23:17.00 | Ikkakujyu | Should work. I'd do it on /home/user, though. |
| 23:17.13 | rza | ok cool ill just try it now |
| 23:17.58 | rza | the apps im installing by the way are xmms and konq browser |
| 23:18.44 | Ikkakujyu | Bah. Shouldn't be too hard. |
| 23:20.10 | rza | no still not working |
| 23:21.54 | Ikkakujyu | Well, I've never installed anywhere but ram and sd... |
| 23:22.17 | rza | ipkg-link mount /home/user/ worked and added all the libs |
| 23:22.29 | Ikkakujyu | Odd. |
| 23:22.46 | rza | but the app still says no such file or directory |
| 23:22.52 | Ikkakujyu | Which app? |
| 23:23.05 | rza | xmms and konqueror |
| 23:23.34 | Ikkakujyu | Which files is XMMS looking for? |
| 23:23.37 | rza | oh its working now i run ipkg-link from root |
| 23:23.41 | Ikkakujyu | Ah. |
| 23:23.44 | Ikkakujyu | There ya go. |
| 23:23.45 | rza | i ran it again |
| 23:24.00 | rza | cheers for your help |
| 23:25.08 | rza | i dont suppose anyone has tried to install the sun java cvm ? |
| 23:25.22 | Ikkakujyu | Far as I know it's impossible. |
| 23:25.35 | Ikkakujyu | But then I never tried. |
| 23:25.39 | rza | oh |
| 23:26.43 | rza | do u know if evm works |
| 23:27.33 | Ikkakujyu | No idea. All I ever use my Z for is playing Vorbis files :) |
| 23:27.43 | rza | cool ;) |
| 23:28.34 | Ikkakujyu | Ah. Looks like evm (whatever it is) works through the compatlibs. |
| 23:28.43 | Ikkakujyu | From the Jeode package, at least, |
| 23:28.47 | Ikkakujyu | http://www.zaurususergroup.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=9597&hl=evm |
| 23:30.02 | rza | i do some of my java dev on it things like client server apps at the moment i can use my z as a remote control for media player or transfer a track from the server (still havent found a solutiom for streaming) |
| 23:30.33 | rza | thanx 4 the link man |
| 23:30.36 | Ikkakujyu | Ja. |
| 23:31.17 | rza | have you played much with gpe |
| 23:31.54 | Ikkakujyu | A bit. I'd probably use it if suspend/resume worked and there were a viable media player. |
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| 23:33.25 | rza | yeah i think its cool but until now i never had enough space to install firefox |
| 23:34.37 | Ikkakujyu | I'm on a 5500 so firefox isn't a possibility. |
| 23:35.18 | rza | can u use minimo |
| 23:35.34 | Ikkakujyu | It runs, but I couldn't figure out how to navigate, heh. |
| 23:35.44 | rza | :) |
| 23:36.19 | rza | does anyone knoe if the suspend bug has been fixed yet in gpe |
| 23:36.48 | rza | would be cool to have fluxbox on gpe |
| 23:36.49 | Ikkakujyu | It's supposed to be fixed in the CVS version but that didn't work for me. |
| 23:37.04 | Ikkakujyu | However typing apm --suspend in the command line shuts it down properly. |
| 23:37.20 | rza | oh really thats cool |
| 23:37.35 | rza | and then does it turn back on alright |
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| 23:37.41 | Ikkakujyu | Yep. |
| 23:37.45 | rza | cool |
| 23:38.02 | Ikkakujyu | I use it as a watch so it's annoying to type the command in each time I check. |
| 23:38.09 | rza | im going to put it back on and see if i can get a browser on it |
| 23:38.42 | Ikkakujyu | I think links is a possibility... |
| 23:39.02 | rza | is ipkg-link in gpe |
| 23:39.06 | Ikkakujyu | Of course. |
| 23:39.10 | rza | or ipkg |
| 23:39.13 | Ikkakujyu | All the console tools translate over. |
| 23:39.22 | rza | oh cool |
| 23:39.54 | Ikkakujyu | However the font for the terminal in 3.5.2 is kinda big. |
| 23:40.10 | rza | :) |
| 23:42.33 | rza | how can i get the cvs ver, do i need it build it ? |
| 23:42.50 | Ikkakujyu | Yep. |
| 23:43.08 | Ikkakujyu | Or you can beg someone else with a 5600 to build it for you. |
| 23:43.21 | rza | this should be fun can u teach me quickly ;) |
| 23:43.27 | Ikkakujyu | OpenEmbedded is pretty tricky to get going, actually. |
| 23:43.37 | Ikkakujyu | I have no idea how I ever got a flashable image from it. |
| 23:43.47 | rza | :) |
| 23:44.18 | Ikkakujyu | http://openembedded.org/oe_wiki/index.php/GettingStarted |
| 23:44.35 | rza | cool cheers |
| 23:44.38 | Ikkakujyu | Your mileage may vary, having less than 512mb ram means it probably won't run at all. |
| 23:44.48 | Ikkakujyu | Don't ask me for help, because I have no idea how it all works. |
| 23:45.04 | Ikkakujyu | If you do need help, ask in #oe, not here. |
| 23:46.42 | rza | ok thats cool might give it a miss for a mo and just use the apm command cheers for your help though |
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