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04:37.42greyLanyone know of a command line biff for pop mail?  i wanna automate my gprs mail downloads
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06:34.45hedgehairanyone use qplot?
06:44.35greyLnope, can offer suggestions for a text to gif grapher...ploticus ... nice looking 3d pie/bar/and other charts
06:46.22hedgehairah thanks.. damn qplot is so cool though.. the qplot input method is there all i get is SIGPIPE though
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09:57.08disposablei've just bought sl500d. it came with 2.4.6 kernel. i know this is a developer model. will the rom images work for this anyway?
09:57.27disposablesl5000d that is
10:00.22XorAdisposable: I beleive so
10:00.29hrw|work2.4.18 is latest for collie
10:00.30hrw|work~collie
10:00.31ibot[collie] sharp sl-5500 and sl-5000d, or a dog
10:00.57hrw|workdisposable: OZ will work on it
10:01.31disposableok tnx
10:01.46disposablewhere do i find it, where do i find a howto, etc
10:02.57disposableok found the openzaurus.org.
10:03.14RockClimberWhat are the options for an e-mail client under OZ 3.5.x? Specifically IMAP
10:07.12RockClimberhow much does a 6000 cost in the US?
10:08.15disposablewhat's the difference between bootstrap and gpe img?
10:08.54RockClimberbootstrap is just the kernel
10:09.05RockClimberand minimal bits
10:09.11disposable14meg kernel?
10:09.12RockClimbernot GUI and apps
10:09.44RockClimberall flash images are the same size regardless of content
10:09.51disposablebootstrap-image-rootfs.img
10:10.06RockClimberlike all CDs show 650mb used 0mb free, regardless of content
10:10.22RockClimberyour want opie or gpe
10:10.34disposableRockClimber: ah, ;) thank you for clarifying
10:10.57RockClimberopie is QT based, GPE is X based
10:10.58disposablewhat's the difference between opie and gpe. which one has more apps available?
10:11.06RockClimberopie, it's older
10:11.24RockClimberunlike Gnome vs KDE, you can't run Opie apps under GPE
10:11.29RockClimberor vice versa
10:11.31disposableso are there different repositories for the two?
10:11.54RockClimberThe feed is now split like Debian
10:12.16RockClimberinstead of Opie and GPE, you have Base, Opie, Gpe, X, Libs, etc
10:12.37RockClimberYou can install from base under either, and you choose from Opie or GPE
10:12.56disposablewell that sounds sensible :)
10:13.12RockClimberI've not tried GPE, mainly because I've given up on my Z for a while again until there is a stable OZ
10:13.24disposableis openzaurus.org the only place where i can download packages for openzaurus from?
10:14.04disposablewould ipk for compaq work on zaurus?
10:14.50hrw|workdisposable: no
10:15.25disposablehrw|work: :(
10:15.29RockClimberdisposable, mostly
10:16.08disposablei don't mean to be clever here, but one of you might be slightly wrong :)
10:16.22RockClimberOX 3.5.2 uses a newer GCC than the old OZ and Sharp. So you need to fiddle with compat libraries with older apps. Luckily the OZ team have done a great job packaging loads of Z apps (GPL/free ones) for us.
10:16.53RockClimberdisposable, I was replying to Q1, hrw|work was replying to Q2
10:17.06disposablehow can i alter the rom image? i want to add links to /usr/sbin etc to have real applications on a CF card
10:17.26disposableRockClimber, ok
10:17.26RockClimberyes, the ROM is actually writable
10:17.56disposableRockClimber: what filesystem is it?
10:18.16RockClimberjffs2 I think
10:18.35RockClimberyes
10:18.36disposablewell, is it writable once it's on the zaurus, or before?
10:18.46RockClimberBoth
10:18.51disposable:D
10:19.05RockClimberyou could mount the image on you linux box, or you could flash it and then edit
10:19.18RockClimbereven the Sharp ROMs were editable before flashing
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10:19.26disposabledo i have to squeeze into those 14 megs? even if rom size is 16?
10:20.54RockClimberthere is a limit, can't remember what
10:21.27disposableand the most important question. i bought my collie secondhand for 90 pounds sterling without CD. is the CDimportant? where can i download it? i don't have windows
10:21.29RockClimberYou'll find it easier to flash, then use package manager to uninstall/install to Flash than editing the img file
10:21.41RockClimberyou don't need the CD
10:21.52RockClimberthe CD is manuals, windows drivers, windows sync software
10:22.13disposableRockClimber: nothing fo linux?
10:22.16RockClimberdisposable, 90 $ or £?
10:22.31disposable90 british pounds sterling
10:22.35RockClimberdisposable, you don't need anything for linux
10:22.53disposableRockClimber, good
10:23.31RockClimberdisposable, that makes me feel better, mine was £190 brand new couple of years ago. If that was 90$ I would be disappointed
10:23.33hrw|workdisposable: flash is 16MiB in size, but 1MiB is for kernel, some space for shitty bootloader, and only 14.4MiB left for filesystem
10:23.34disposabledoes it sync with anything? if i don't have windows that is. if i use oz
10:23.54RockClimberyou can do Ethernet over USB with Linux
10:24.15RockClimberthen you can run either Qtopia desktop for Linux (Trolltech website)
10:24.27RockClimberor write you own sync script in any language
10:24.35disposableRockClimber, is there a howto? i googled for this but all i found was some japanese site with no english whatsoever
10:24.43RockClimberhow-to for what
10:24.52RockClimbergoogle "Zaurus USB ethernet linux"
10:24.57disposablehowto for ethernet
10:25.46RockClimberyou might need to alter the instructions slightly
10:25.52RockClimberbut in general, it
10:26.24RockClimberit's just a case of bringing up Eth0 or USB0 with the right ROUTE set, and setting hostname and DNS location
10:26.54disposablefound it. downloaded.
10:27.13disposablewhat else did i want............
10:27.36disposableyes, i've got an incredible mess in my home directory. will that be gone with oz?
10:29.02RockClimberwhen you flash everything will go
10:29.06RockClimberbackup all your data
10:31.02disposablei mean there's like Settings, usr, modules, applications.... none of that should be there in a real linux. will i get rid of this mess with oz?
10:31.14disposableall in my homedir
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10:37.21ahnklehi - having problems installing opie-mail. one of its dependencies libopiemm2 reports some files already provided
10:38.03hrw|workahnkle: which oz? which files?
10:40.07ahnkleoz 3.5.2, installingg to sd from command line: files libopiemm2.so libopiemm2.so.1 libopiemm2.so.1.9 libopiemm2.so.1.9.0 already installed
10:41.10disposablethere are 7 or 8 kernel images available for collie. how do i choose which one is right for me?
10:41.42hrw|workdisposable: they have different memory/ramdisk split
10:41.55hrw|workdisposable: for 5000(d) 24/8 32/0 are
10:42.08hrw|workdisposable: if you have sd or cf memory card then go 32/0
10:43.28disposablehrw i'm about to buy a 512 cf. but what's the difference between ramdisk and memory? isn't ramdisk stored in memory?
10:44.07hrw|workramdisk is memory for storage
10:44.11hrw|workmemory is for apps
10:45.01disposableok. if i buy a mmc instead of cf (cos i want to buy a cf wifi later) will it still do?
10:45.31disposablei mean will it do the same job as cf? is there a difference at all for the system?
10:46.43ahnklelooking at the ipkg output again, the package names look wrong, where it says 'But that file is already provided by xxx'
10:47.12ahnklewhere do i check what z thinks is installed, and from what package?
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11:07.16disposableevery single howto, faq or mailing list i read talks about SD cards or CF. can i use MMC? they're half the price of sd
11:08.31hrw|worksd are mmc+2pins
11:08.56disposablethe question remains. will they work?
11:09.21disposablei prefer asking and getting nailed for stupidity than buy a card that won't work
11:09.45hrw|workyes
11:09.54hrw|workdisposable: mmc and sd cards work
11:09.56disposablehrw|work: thank you
11:10.00hrw|workno problem
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11:46.15disposableis oz 3.5.2 as stable as 3.5.1?
11:47.09CoreDump|homedisposable: no, if anything it is more stable
11:54.06disposableis there a ftp server from which i can download the entire feed?
11:55.01hrw|workopenzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/3.5.2/
11:57.29disposablehrw|work: is there a ftp for the packages for 3.5.2?
11:59.38hrw|workftp://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/3.5.2/feed/*
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13:59.46dpyhi
14:00.28dpycan anyone here confirm if the following works on Zaurus: libSDL and libmikmod ?
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14:00.45XorAdpy: yeah they work
14:01.07XorAdpy: depends what you do with them though
14:01.19hrw|worklibmikmod 3.11 or 3.20? which one you need?
14:01.36dpyXorA: SDL: blit pixels to screen, mikmod: playback mods
14:01.41dpy3.11
14:01.46dpygood enough
14:02.05dpyI don't own a zaurus myself
14:02.16dpybut I am wondering if my app will work on it
14:02.17hrw|workdpy: OE have both
14:04.22XorAdpy: I only asked because both are useless without an app :-)
14:05.27dpyanyone want to test this prog: http://dwarfhouse.linux-box.net/projects/EwokTracker/downloads/EwokTracker_preview_odivx.avi
14:06.02dpyit requires some compilation so it's not a run and go thing
14:06.15XorAEwok pr0n?
14:06.16hrw|workdpy: Zaurus is not PocketPC
14:06.50dpyhrw|work: I thought it was a PDA
14:06.58hrw|workdpy: it is PDA
14:07.13hrw|workdpy: not everyone PDA use PocketPC/WindowsMobile/WindowsCE
14:07.26dpyand I'm totally aware of that
14:07.36hrw|workdpy: there is PalmOS, Psion etc
14:08.01dpyI have designed my app to run on anything with a decent ANSI-C compiler, libmikmod support and libSDL support
14:08.12dpyas long as the device/OS supports these three
14:08.16dpyit should work
14:08.21hrw|workaha
14:08.35dpyit runs on my linux desktop
14:08.44dpyit runs on the pocket pc
14:08.47hrw|workdpy: ok - where are sources?
14:09.20dpyone sec
14:10.07dpyyou need to compile pnet+pnetlib with the decent ANSI-C compiler first
14:10.22dpydon't bother with the graphics support in pnetlib, you won't need it
14:10.29hrw|workpnet?
14:11.02hrw|worka.. C#
14:11.08dpywww.getdotgnu.com
14:11.15dpyyes
14:11.40dpyI control mikmod and SDL from C#
14:12.03hrw|workfirst I will have to add pnet to OE, get it working etc...
14:12.27hrw|workbut as I know nothing about it then I'm not a good person for it;(
14:12.42dpyisn't it a ./configure && make with a gcc cross compile toolchain ?
14:13.23hrw|workmaybe
14:13.34dpy<PROTECTED>
14:14.04XorAdpy: depends who wrote the configure.ac, some of them are VERY knackered in cross compiling mode
14:14.20dpypnet stands for portable .net
14:14.33dpywith emphasis on portable
14:14.34XorAdpy: portable not the same as cross compile
14:14.38hrw|workdpy: portable yes.. but can I build pnet-cross etc?
14:14.56XorApython is portable but the guy who made it cross compile had a hard job
14:15.37dpyI crosscompile pnet the other day with arm-wince-pe toolchain
14:15.38dpyit worked
14:16.11dpybut it's not a problem if you won't want to test it, I was just wondering if it worked
14:16.20dpyand I did warn that it needs some compiling
14:16.36dpy-hence- the "decente ANSI-C compiler"
14:16.39dpy-e
14:16.43XorAdpy: www.openembedded.org and you can get the toolchain
14:16.59dpyok
14:19.03dpydoes openembedded.org provide a ready to go buildroot ? (for use with mount -o loop) ? that would be easy to kickstart
14:19.12dpylike there is one for busybox+uclibc
14:19.38XorAdpy: no, its a whole environment that build the cross tools then uses those to build your application, like a cross compiling version of gentoo
14:20.04dpyhmm that would be a little too much work for me to figure out
14:20.11dpyjust to know it works on zaurus
14:20.28dpyespecially since I don't own a zaurus
14:20.35XorAdpy: there are pre done environments for sharp roms, look on www.zaurususergroup.org
14:22.31dpythanks, but I think I can better concentrate on building a great app than fiddling with this
14:22.51dpyif anyone wants to use it on the zaurus at one point in time, then they'll figure it out
14:22.59dpythey'll be motivated to do so
14:23.22XorAdpy: :-) well we can hope one day there are enough developers that people have spare time
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17:12.22zonezeidIs there are plans to build more software and games to zaurus?
17:14.13hrw|workzonezeid: join OE team, add more software and games
17:17.28LarsACmy apps say that there is no more memory to store something (e.g. appointments or todos) -- what to do ?
17:19.05hrw|workfree some?
17:20.07zonezeidmy sl-5500 need to eat more software and games to play with... how can i feed it?
17:20.26LarsACactually, I have maybe 20 items added or so
17:20.37LarsACwhich things are stored where ?
17:25.23zonezeidlarsac: and games?
17:25.49LarsACdon't have games
17:26.04LarsACdo apps and data share the same part of memory ?
17:26.04zonezeidlarsac: we need a cool text editor to edit files on zaurus.
17:26.45zonezeidi'm not the person to answer to your question, but i think yes.
17:27.26zonezeidare you using demolinux for zaurus to develop your apps?
17:28.13zonezeidone thing that i would like to see for zaurus is a NEW VERSION of MYSQL!
17:28.44zonezeidcould someone crossplataform from debian to zaurus or something like that?
17:28.45hrw|workzonezeid: maybe stop stouting and go into http://www.openembedded.org/
17:29.44hrw|workzonezeid: someone added mysql 4.1.4a some weeks ago - you can update it so you can run it on zaurus
17:30.28hrw|workit's easy to go here and say "I WANT NEW SOFTWARE AND I WANT IT NOW!!!!" instead of helping to get it done
17:31.59zonezeidi don't see a link to download it:P
17:33.35hrw|workheh.. I'm wasting time with you
17:34.06zonezeidI'm not a developper! another database that is growing up is INTERBASE, i expect to see it soon available for zaurus
17:34.45zonezeidinterbase-> the firebird is the opensource edition.
17:35.13zonezeidhttp://www.ibphoenix.com
17:35.29zonezeidwell, i need to go, see ya...
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17:49.09SystemParadoxhi all
17:50.03SystemParadoxi don't suppose anyone has a way of retrieving files off root without a shell or logging in...
17:54.16SystemParadoxcan you boot from a cf or sd card?
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