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04:37.42 | greyL | anyone know of a command line biff for pop mail? i wanna automate my gprs mail downloads |
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06:34.45 | hedgehair | anyone use qplot? |
06:44.35 | greyL | nope, can offer suggestions for a text to gif grapher...ploticus ... nice looking 3d pie/bar/and other charts |
06:46.22 | hedgehair | ah thanks.. damn qplot is so cool though.. the qplot input method is there all i get is SIGPIPE though |
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09:57.08 | disposable | i've just bought sl500d. it came with 2.4.6 kernel. i know this is a developer model. will the rom images work for this anyway? |
09:57.27 | disposable | sl5000d that is |
10:00.22 | XorA | disposable: I beleive so |
10:00.29 | hrw|work | 2.4.18 is latest for collie |
10:00.30 | hrw|work | ~collie |
10:00.31 | ibot | [collie] sharp sl-5500 and sl-5000d, or a dog |
10:00.57 | hrw|work | disposable: OZ will work on it |
10:01.31 | disposable | ok tnx |
10:01.46 | disposable | where do i find it, where do i find a howto, etc |
10:02.57 | disposable | ok found the openzaurus.org. |
10:03.14 | RockClimber | What are the options for an e-mail client under OZ 3.5.x? Specifically IMAP |
10:07.12 | RockClimber | how much does a 6000 cost in the US? |
10:08.15 | disposable | what's the difference between bootstrap and gpe img? |
10:08.54 | RockClimber | bootstrap is just the kernel |
10:09.05 | RockClimber | and minimal bits |
10:09.11 | disposable | 14meg kernel? |
10:09.12 | RockClimber | not GUI and apps |
10:09.44 | RockClimber | all flash images are the same size regardless of content |
10:09.51 | disposable | bootstrap-image-rootfs.img |
10:10.06 | RockClimber | like all CDs show 650mb used 0mb free, regardless of content |
10:10.22 | RockClimber | your want opie or gpe |
10:10.34 | disposable | RockClimber: ah, ;) thank you for clarifying |
10:10.57 | RockClimber | opie is QT based, GPE is X based |
10:10.58 | disposable | what's the difference between opie and gpe. which one has more apps available? |
10:11.06 | RockClimber | opie, it's older |
10:11.24 | RockClimber | unlike Gnome vs KDE, you can't run Opie apps under GPE |
10:11.29 | RockClimber | or vice versa |
10:11.31 | disposable | so are there different repositories for the two? |
10:11.54 | RockClimber | The feed is now split like Debian |
10:12.16 | RockClimber | instead of Opie and GPE, you have Base, Opie, Gpe, X, Libs, etc |
10:12.37 | RockClimber | You can install from base under either, and you choose from Opie or GPE |
10:12.56 | disposable | well that sounds sensible :) |
10:13.12 | RockClimber | I've not tried GPE, mainly because I've given up on my Z for a while again until there is a stable OZ |
10:13.24 | disposable | is openzaurus.org the only place where i can download packages for openzaurus from? |
10:14.04 | disposable | would ipk for compaq work on zaurus? |
10:14.50 | hrw|work | disposable: no |
10:15.25 | disposable | hrw|work: :( |
10:15.29 | RockClimber | disposable, mostly |
10:16.08 | disposable | i don't mean to be clever here, but one of you might be slightly wrong :) |
10:16.22 | RockClimber | OX 3.5.2 uses a newer GCC than the old OZ and Sharp. So you need to fiddle with compat libraries with older apps. Luckily the OZ team have done a great job packaging loads of Z apps (GPL/free ones) for us. |
10:16.53 | RockClimber | disposable, I was replying to Q1, hrw|work was replying to Q2 |
10:17.06 | disposable | how can i alter the rom image? i want to add links to /usr/sbin etc to have real applications on a CF card |
10:17.26 | disposable | RockClimber, ok |
10:17.26 | RockClimber | yes, the ROM is actually writable |
10:17.56 | disposable | RockClimber: what filesystem is it? |
10:18.16 | RockClimber | jffs2 I think |
10:18.35 | RockClimber | yes |
10:18.36 | disposable | well, is it writable once it's on the zaurus, or before? |
10:18.46 | RockClimber | Both |
10:18.51 | disposable | :D |
10:19.05 | RockClimber | you could mount the image on you linux box, or you could flash it and then edit |
10:19.18 | RockClimber | even the Sharp ROMs were editable before flashing |
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10:19.26 | disposable | do i have to squeeze into those 14 megs? even if rom size is 16? |
10:20.54 | RockClimber | there is a limit, can't remember what |
10:21.27 | disposable | and the most important question. i bought my collie secondhand for 90 pounds sterling without CD. is the CDimportant? where can i download it? i don't have windows |
10:21.29 | RockClimber | You'll find it easier to flash, then use package manager to uninstall/install to Flash than editing the img file |
10:21.41 | RockClimber | you don't need the CD |
10:21.52 | RockClimber | the CD is manuals, windows drivers, windows sync software |
10:22.13 | disposable | RockClimber: nothing fo linux? |
10:22.16 | RockClimber | disposable, 90 $ or £? |
10:22.31 | disposable | 90 british pounds sterling |
10:22.35 | RockClimber | disposable, you don't need anything for linux |
10:22.53 | disposable | RockClimber, good |
10:23.31 | RockClimber | disposable, that makes me feel better, mine was £190 brand new couple of years ago. If that was 90$ I would be disappointed |
10:23.33 | hrw|work | disposable: flash is 16MiB in size, but 1MiB is for kernel, some space for shitty bootloader, and only 14.4MiB left for filesystem |
10:23.34 | disposable | does it sync with anything? if i don't have windows that is. if i use oz |
10:23.54 | RockClimber | you can do Ethernet over USB with Linux |
10:24.15 | RockClimber | then you can run either Qtopia desktop for Linux (Trolltech website) |
10:24.27 | RockClimber | or write you own sync script in any language |
10:24.35 | disposable | RockClimber, is there a howto? i googled for this but all i found was some japanese site with no english whatsoever |
10:24.43 | RockClimber | how-to for what |
10:24.52 | RockClimber | google "Zaurus USB ethernet linux" |
10:24.57 | disposable | howto for ethernet |
10:25.46 | RockClimber | you might need to alter the instructions slightly |
10:25.52 | RockClimber | but in general, it |
10:26.24 | RockClimber | it's just a case of bringing up Eth0 or USB0 with the right ROUTE set, and setting hostname and DNS location |
10:26.54 | disposable | found it. downloaded. |
10:27.13 | disposable | what else did i want............ |
10:27.36 | disposable | yes, i've got an incredible mess in my home directory. will that be gone with oz? |
10:29.02 | RockClimber | when you flash everything will go |
10:29.06 | RockClimber | backup all your data |
10:31.02 | disposable | i mean there's like Settings, usr, modules, applications.... none of that should be there in a real linux. will i get rid of this mess with oz? |
10:31.14 | disposable | all in my homedir |
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10:37.21 | ahnkle | hi - having problems installing opie-mail. one of its dependencies libopiemm2 reports some files already provided |
10:38.03 | hrw|work | ahnkle: which oz? which files? |
10:40.07 | ahnkle | oz 3.5.2, installingg to sd from command line: files libopiemm2.so libopiemm2.so.1 libopiemm2.so.1.9 libopiemm2.so.1.9.0 already installed |
10:41.10 | disposable | there are 7 or 8 kernel images available for collie. how do i choose which one is right for me? |
10:41.42 | hrw|work | disposable: they have different memory/ramdisk split |
10:41.55 | hrw|work | disposable: for 5000(d) 24/8 32/0 are |
10:42.08 | hrw|work | disposable: if you have sd or cf memory card then go 32/0 |
10:43.28 | disposable | hrw i'm about to buy a 512 cf. but what's the difference between ramdisk and memory? isn't ramdisk stored in memory? |
10:44.07 | hrw|work | ramdisk is memory for storage |
10:44.11 | hrw|work | memory is for apps |
10:45.01 | disposable | ok. if i buy a mmc instead of cf (cos i want to buy a cf wifi later) will it still do? |
10:45.31 | disposable | i mean will it do the same job as cf? is there a difference at all for the system? |
10:46.43 | ahnkle | looking at the ipkg output again, the package names look wrong, where it says 'But that file is already provided by xxx' |
10:47.12 | ahnkle | where do i check what z thinks is installed, and from what package? |
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11:07.16 | disposable | every single howto, faq or mailing list i read talks about SD cards or CF. can i use MMC? they're half the price of sd |
11:08.31 | hrw|work | sd are mmc+2pins |
11:08.56 | disposable | the question remains. will they work? |
11:09.21 | disposable | i prefer asking and getting nailed for stupidity than buy a card that won't work |
11:09.45 | hrw|work | yes |
11:09.54 | hrw|work | disposable: mmc and sd cards work |
11:09.56 | disposable | hrw|work: thank you |
11:10.00 | hrw|work | no problem |
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11:46.15 | disposable | is oz 3.5.2 as stable as 3.5.1? |
11:47.09 | CoreDump|home | disposable: no, if anything it is more stable |
11:54.06 | disposable | is there a ftp server from which i can download the entire feed? |
11:55.01 | hrw|work | openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/3.5.2/ |
11:57.29 | disposable | hrw|work: is there a ftp for the packages for 3.5.2? |
11:59.38 | hrw|work | ftp://openzaurus.sf.net/official/unstable/3.5.2/feed/* |
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13:59.46 | dpy | hi |
14:00.28 | dpy | can anyone here confirm if the following works on Zaurus: libSDL and libmikmod ? |
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14:00.45 | XorA | dpy: yeah they work |
14:01.07 | XorA | dpy: depends what you do with them though |
14:01.19 | hrw|work | libmikmod 3.11 or 3.20? which one you need? |
14:01.36 | dpy | XorA: SDL: blit pixels to screen, mikmod: playback mods |
14:01.41 | dpy | 3.11 |
14:01.46 | dpy | good enough |
14:02.05 | dpy | I don't own a zaurus myself |
14:02.16 | dpy | but I am wondering if my app will work on it |
14:02.17 | hrw|work | dpy: OE have both |
14:04.22 | XorA | dpy: I only asked because both are useless without an app :-) |
14:05.27 | dpy | anyone want to test this prog: http://dwarfhouse.linux-box.net/projects/EwokTracker/downloads/EwokTracker_preview_odivx.avi |
14:06.02 | dpy | it requires some compilation so it's not a run and go thing |
14:06.15 | XorA | Ewok pr0n? |
14:06.16 | hrw|work | dpy: Zaurus is not PocketPC |
14:06.50 | dpy | hrw|work: I thought it was a PDA |
14:06.58 | hrw|work | dpy: it is PDA |
14:07.13 | hrw|work | dpy: not everyone PDA use PocketPC/WindowsMobile/WindowsCE |
14:07.26 | dpy | and I'm totally aware of that |
14:07.36 | hrw|work | dpy: there is PalmOS, Psion etc |
14:08.01 | dpy | I have designed my app to run on anything with a decent ANSI-C compiler, libmikmod support and libSDL support |
14:08.12 | dpy | as long as the device/OS supports these three |
14:08.16 | dpy | it should work |
14:08.21 | hrw|work | aha |
14:08.35 | dpy | it runs on my linux desktop |
14:08.44 | dpy | it runs on the pocket pc |
14:08.47 | hrw|work | dpy: ok - where are sources? |
14:09.20 | dpy | one sec |
14:10.07 | dpy | you need to compile pnet+pnetlib with the decent ANSI-C compiler first |
14:10.22 | dpy | don't bother with the graphics support in pnetlib, you won't need it |
14:10.29 | hrw|work | pnet? |
14:11.02 | hrw|work | a.. C# |
14:11.08 | dpy | www.getdotgnu.com |
14:11.15 | dpy | yes |
14:11.40 | dpy | I control mikmod and SDL from C# |
14:12.03 | hrw|work | first I will have to add pnet to OE, get it working etc... |
14:12.27 | hrw|work | but as I know nothing about it then I'm not a good person for it;( |
14:12.42 | dpy | isn't it a ./configure && make with a gcc cross compile toolchain ? |
14:13.23 | hrw|work | maybe |
14:13.34 | dpy | <PROTECTED> |
14:14.04 | XorA | dpy: depends who wrote the configure.ac, some of them are VERY knackered in cross compiling mode |
14:14.20 | dpy | pnet stands for portable .net |
14:14.33 | dpy | with emphasis on portable |
14:14.34 | XorA | dpy: portable not the same as cross compile |
14:14.38 | hrw|work | dpy: portable yes.. but can I build pnet-cross etc? |
14:14.56 | XorA | python is portable but the guy who made it cross compile had a hard job |
14:15.37 | dpy | I crosscompile pnet the other day with arm-wince-pe toolchain |
14:15.38 | dpy | it worked |
14:16.11 | dpy | but it's not a problem if you won't want to test it, I was just wondering if it worked |
14:16.20 | dpy | and I did warn that it needs some compiling |
14:16.36 | dpy | -hence- the "decente ANSI-C compiler" |
14:16.39 | dpy | -e |
14:16.43 | XorA | dpy: www.openembedded.org and you can get the toolchain |
14:16.59 | dpy | ok |
14:19.03 | dpy | does openembedded.org provide a ready to go buildroot ? (for use with mount -o loop) ? that would be easy to kickstart |
14:19.12 | dpy | like there is one for busybox+uclibc |
14:19.38 | XorA | dpy: no, its a whole environment that build the cross tools then uses those to build your application, like a cross compiling version of gentoo |
14:20.04 | dpy | hmm that would be a little too much work for me to figure out |
14:20.11 | dpy | just to know it works on zaurus |
14:20.28 | dpy | especially since I don't own a zaurus |
14:20.35 | XorA | dpy: there are pre done environments for sharp roms, look on www.zaurususergroup.org |
14:22.31 | dpy | thanks, but I think I can better concentrate on building a great app than fiddling with this |
14:22.51 | dpy | if anyone wants to use it on the zaurus at one point in time, then they'll figure it out |
14:22.59 | dpy | they'll be motivated to do so |
14:23.22 | XorA | dpy: :-) well we can hope one day there are enough developers that people have spare time |
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17:08.56 | LarsAC | hi |
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17:12.22 | zonezeid | Is there are plans to build more software and games to zaurus? |
17:14.13 | hrw|work | zonezeid: join OE team, add more software and games |
17:17.28 | LarsAC | my apps say that there is no more memory to store something (e.g. appointments or todos) -- what to do ? |
17:19.05 | hrw|work | free some? |
17:20.07 | zonezeid | my sl-5500 need to eat more software and games to play with... how can i feed it? |
17:20.26 | LarsAC | actually, I have maybe 20 items added or so |
17:20.37 | LarsAC | which things are stored where ? |
17:25.23 | zonezeid | larsac: and games? |
17:25.49 | LarsAC | don't have games |
17:26.04 | LarsAC | do apps and data share the same part of memory ? |
17:26.04 | zonezeid | larsac: we need a cool text editor to edit files on zaurus. |
17:26.45 | zonezeid | i'm not the person to answer to your question, but i think yes. |
17:27.26 | zonezeid | are you using demolinux for zaurus to develop your apps? |
17:28.13 | zonezeid | one thing that i would like to see for zaurus is a NEW VERSION of MYSQL! |
17:28.44 | zonezeid | could someone crossplataform from debian to zaurus or something like that? |
17:28.45 | hrw|work | zonezeid: maybe stop stouting and go into http://www.openembedded.org/ |
17:29.44 | hrw|work | zonezeid: someone added mysql 4.1.4a some weeks ago - you can update it so you can run it on zaurus |
17:30.28 | hrw|work | it's easy to go here and say "I WANT NEW SOFTWARE AND I WANT IT NOW!!!!" instead of helping to get it done |
17:31.59 | zonezeid | i don't see a link to download it:P |
17:33.35 | hrw|work | heh.. I'm wasting time with you |
17:34.06 | zonezeid | I'm not a developper! another database that is growing up is INTERBASE, i expect to see it soon available for zaurus |
17:34.45 | zonezeid | interbase-> the firebird is the opensource edition. |
17:35.13 | zonezeid | http://www.ibphoenix.com |
17:35.29 | zonezeid | well, i need to go, see ya... |
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17:49.09 | SystemParadox | hi all |
17:50.03 | SystemParadox | i don't suppose anyone has a way of retrieving files off root without a shell or logging in... |
17:54.16 | SystemParadox | can you boot from a cf or sd card? |
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