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| 01:16.02 | erikd | hey. anyone know how i can get konq installed from the oz feed |
| 01:16.13 | erikd | it says it requires libstdc++ and i cant find that |
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| 02:11.46 | erikd | hey. anyone know how i can get konq installed from the oz feed |
| 02:11.51 | erikd | it says it requires libstdc++ and i cant find that |
| 02:12.07 | kergoth | read the mailing list archives |
| 02:12.09 | kergoth | or the forums |
| 02:12.13 | kergoth | or the irc channel logs |
| 02:12.24 | kergoth | libstdc++ is in the 'devel' feed, which isnt in ipkg.conf by default in 3.5.2. |
| 02:29.36 | erikd | oh ok. thanks |
| 02:35.39 | erikd | its been awhile since ive done anything z related |
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| 06:08.54 | Mamay | was anyone able to get the pocketop to work with irk under OZ 3.5.2. for some reason i get the irk fully set up with gui configuration, but the keyboard does not work. am i missing something here. I'm using sl-5600 model. thanks for any input |
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| 11:13.28 | tyreth | Hi, I'm just about to install OZ and I noticed there is an Opie version and a GPE version. What's the pro's/cons of each? |
| 11:15.06 | XorA | opie is stabler, better tested, gpe is X based, sweeter and has decent browser and spreadsheet |
| 11:15.37 | tyreth | So, in terms of potential, GPE sounds like it has a brighter future... |
| 11:16.20 | XorA | tyreth: GPE is improving by leaps and bounds, I expect 3.5.3 to be a whole lot more stabler. Mostly it depends how you want to use the Z |
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| 11:16.50 | tyreth | I'm using my Z far less than its potential at the moment( SL5500). What sort of uses does GPE give an advantage in? |
| 11:17.28 | CoreDump|home | good question |
| 11:19.18 | XorA | tyreth: Well it has firefox and gnumeric |
| 11:19.33 | XorA | tyreth: it suffers in the usability though |
| 11:19.36 | tyreth | sweet. I'll give it a try anyway, see if I like it. |
| 11:20.42 | tyreth | Does either have good integration with either evolution or kmail for contacts and email? |
| 11:21.26 | XorA | tyreth: I dont use either of those apps |
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| 11:33.22 | dipnlik | tyreth: you can try dual boot as a last resort, there is a FAQ on the OZ website |
| 11:33.28 | dipnlik | haven't tried it though |
| 11:34.30 | XorA | dipnlik: I have both running currently, but then Ive got a bit more flash to play with :-) |
| 11:34.47 | tyreth | hrg...I've just flashed my Z with the GPE image and the freshly installed Zaurus system is the sharp ROM. ?? |
| 11:35.10 | XorA | tyreth: you misnamed the files on CF card |
| 11:35.20 | tyreth | initrd.bin and zImage |
| 11:35.22 | XorA | zImage and initrd.bin should be the two files |
| 11:35.54 | tyreth | that's what I've done, and they both have today's date. zImage is 909916 and initrd.bin is 14680064 in size |
| 11:36.31 | XorA | tyreth: that sounds right, the flash did not like them for some reason though :-( what format is your card, it only works with old FAT16 I beleive |
| 11:36.56 | tyreth | I've used this CF before for it, albeit months ago...but I haven't changed the CF since then. |
| 11:37.04 | tyreth | I'm looking in /mnt/cf and that's the folder they're in. |
| 11:37.39 | XorA | Ill have to bow out to a collie owner now, I sold mine 6 months back |
| 11:37.41 | tyreth | The 5500, does that have 64MB internal memory or less? |
| 11:37.51 | XorA | tyreth: 16Meg flash and 64Meg RAM |
| 11:38.28 | tyreth | I used the 32-32 zImage, so that should be fine... |
| 11:39.59 | dipnlik | tyreth: do you have an OSPACK on /mnt/cf ? |
| 11:40.33 | tyreth | yes |
| 11:40.33 | tyreth | is that my problem? |
| 11:40.38 | XorA | tyreth: I would suggest 64-0 image if you have an SD card |
| 11:40.49 | XorA | tyreth: having all RAM available is nice and helps loads |
| 11:41.03 | dipnlik | tyreth: yes |
| 11:41.04 | tyreth | I've had trouble with some apps when they are installed to somewhere besides internal memory. does that still happen? |
| 11:41.08 | dipnlik | tyreth: probably |
| 11:41.34 | dipnlik | if you have the ospack and the zImage/initrd.bin, i don't know what will the system choose to flsh |
| 11:41.43 | tyreth | ospack it seems. |
| 11:42.04 | dipnlik | yes. remove the ospack from there, leave only the zImage/initrd.bin and reflash. good luck |
| 11:42.15 | XorA | tyreth: All OZ packages do not care where they are installed |
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| 11:44.02 | tyreth | I've moved ospack somewhere else, flashing again now. |
| 11:44.19 | dipnlik | XorA: not exactly |
| 11:44.35 | dipnlik | XorA: xmms only works here if it is on root |
| 11:44.56 | XorA | dipnlik: filed a bug report? |
| 11:45.26 | dipnlik | XorA: yikes, no. gotta co it |
| 11:45.34 | dipnlik | do* |
| 11:45.57 | dipnlik | XorA: someone gave instructions to config the system to make installations on the sd work like they're made on root, and after that all works fine -- at least for now |
| 11:46.49 | tyreth | how does one get bluetooth capability. is there a CF based bluetooth expansion? |
| 11:47.31 | XorA | dipnlik: add dest sd /mnt/card/ to ipkg.conf |
| 11:47.42 | XorA | dipnlik: ipkg install -d sd package ; ipkg-link add package |
| 11:48.26 | lardman | tyreth: Yes there are CF Bluetooth cards. I have a Socket one |
| 11:49.28 | dipnlik | XorA: that didn't work with xmms |
| 11:49.40 | XorA | dipnlik: then the packageing is bad |
| 11:50.03 | dipnlik | XorA: And not only for me - i have seen someone making an xmms version inside a file system only to make it run from the sd |
| 11:50.13 | dipnlik | can't remember the link though |
| 11:50.30 | dipnlik | where can i find CF BT cards? |
| 11:51.12 | lardman | About xmms: I have it installed either to /mnt/card or /home/user, it works fine |
| 11:51.14 | XorA | dipnlik: xmms-embedded ?? |
| 11:51.31 | lardman | Opie version for me |
| 11:52.13 | XorA | anyone any idea where firefox doesnt draw anything on screen? |
| 11:52.43 | dipnlik | XorA: yes |
| 11:53.09 | XorA | dipnlik: Ill try it later if I get time |
| 11:54.08 | lardman | dipnlik & tyreth: Compatible BT cards here http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Bluetooth_Card_Support |
| 11:57.24 | dipnlik | lardman: wow, the HowToPlayMP3 page from the OE wiki was "hacked" |
| 11:57.41 | dipnlik | lardman: thanks, i'll take a look |
| 11:58.54 | lardman | dipnlik: why do people have to de-face wikis...!? |
| 11:59.30 | XorA | in debian world what is SID, unstable/testing/stable? |
| 11:59.37 | hrw|work | unstable |
| 11:59.48 | hrw|work | sid is forever unstable |
| 11:59.50 | dipnlik | defaced, that's the word i was looking for :) |
| 12:00.08 | hrw|work | "Still In Development" or just bad kid from toystory1 |
| 12:00.11 | lardman | Can anyone remember back to when 3.5.2 came out? Did kernels build with OE? |
| 12:00.24 | lardman | As mine just failed moaning about my binutils being too old |
| 12:00.37 | hrw|work | lardman: read zauruskernels |
| 12:00.42 | hrw|work | ~zauruskernels |
| 12:00.43 | ibot | well, zauruskernels is By default Zaurus use 2.4.18 and you need GCC 2.95.3 to compile them - all is described in OE wiki: http://openembedded.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/ZaurusKernels There is also work on 2.6: http://openembedded.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/ZaurusKernels26 |
| 12:01.03 | lardman | hrw|work: I have that, I'm a bit behind the times though and haven't moved to bb |
| 12:01.08 | XorA | debootstrap is in gentoo :-D |
| 12:02.52 | lardman | hrw|work: Does that 2.95.3 toolchain use the same binutils (or is it the same) as the one which I was originally using from OZ.org? |
| 12:02.53 | dipnlik | about the wiki defacement: can ordinary ppl make it go one version back, or what should we do? re-edit it all again and delete the defacing? |
| 12:03.04 | hrw|work | lardman: afaik yes |
| 12:03.09 | lardman | dipnlik: It's been locked I think |
| 12:03.24 | hrw|work | dipnlik: which wiki? |
| 12:03.26 | lardman | hrw|work: Might be time to start using bb then I suppose |
| 12:03.55 | lardman | dipnlik: The oesf.org one |
| 12:04.25 | lardman | dipnlik: ah, perhaps that's just the main page, I read it in a hurry |
| 12:04.36 | hrw|work | lardman: I built oz 3.5.2 enviroment using old OE and now I use bb/oe with it |
| 12:05.06 | dipnlik | hrw|work: OE wiki, page HowtoPlayMP3 |
| 12:05.21 | hrw|work | dipnlik: give me whole url |
| 12:06.18 | dipnlik | hrw|work: http://openembedded.org/oe_wiki/index.php/HowtoPlayMP3 |
| 12:07.05 | XorA | dipliright mouse button |
| 12:07.12 | hrw|work | heh.. |
| 12:07.28 | XorA | dipnlik: right mouse button |
| 12:08.30 | XorA | oh pish, my ipkg has completely dissapeared up its own arse, all packages depend on themselves |
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| 12:10.16 | lardman | dipnlik: My mistake, I thought you meant the ZUG wiki (which has also been vandalised) |
| 12:10.34 | lardman | hrw|work: Okay, I'll have a look and see if I can work out why it's failing |
| 12:10.54 | lardman | hrw|work: I'm trying to test a kernel module for the ratoc usb card |
| 12:10.56 | dipnlik | lardman: np |
| 12:11.21 | hrw|work | lardman: do you have bb file for it? |
| 12:11.32 | lardman | .oe file? ;-) |
| 12:11.40 | hrw|work | yes |
| 12:12.00 | lardman | Yes, first attempt though, no clue as to whether it'll do the job |
| 12:12.29 | hrw|work | give me it so I'll test |
| 12:12.50 | lardman | http://students.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/Zaurus/cfu1-driver_0.0.2-3.oe |
| 12:13.15 | lardman | might be missing the .conf file (might need a patch to add it, etc.) |
| 12:13.52 | hrw|work | lardman: you need pcmcia-cs to build it? (DEPENDS line) |
| 12:14.11 | lardman | no clue, it relies on the pcmcia subsystem, looked like a good idea |
| 12:14.25 | lardman | I was copying another .oe file for a different module |
| 12:14.49 | lardman | should probably have kernel/virtual as a dependency then I suppose |
| 12:14.52 | hrw|work | SRC_URI wrong |
| 12:15.02 | lardman | oops |
| 12:15.16 | hrw|work | -${PV} -> ${PV} |
| 12:15.47 | hrw|work | will test it |
| 12:16.04 | lardman | thanks, sorry for the crapness of it |
| 12:16.26 | hrw|work | np |
| 12:21.05 | hrw|work | http://pastebin.ca/5526 |
| 12:22.23 | lardman | What's that? |
| 12:22.29 | lardman | I see the code |
| 12:23.56 | hrw|work | newer bb file |
| 12:24.03 | hrw|work | s/module-base/module in it |
| 12:24.22 | lardman | ah, okay |
| 12:25.52 | lardman | do PV & PN not need to be defined? |
| 12:26.05 | lardman | or at least PV |
| 12:26.24 | hrw|work | filename_ver.bb = PN_PV.bb |
| 12:26.37 | lardman | actually ignore me, I suppose they can be worked out from the difference between the dir and .bb file names |
| 12:29.50 | hrw|work | you have to point it to right include dir |
| 12:33.09 | lardman | ok |
| 12:33.31 | lardman | don't waste your time fiddling with it, I'll sort out my kernel building this evening and have a look at it |
| 12:33.40 | hrw|work | lardman: http://pastebin.ca/5527 |
| 12:34.32 | hrw|work | http://pastebin.ca/5528 is a diff file |
| 12:34.36 | hrw|work | http://pastebin.ca/5529 is an error |
| 12:34.42 | hrw|work | have fun |
| 12:34.47 | lardman | Cool. Thanks :-) |
| 12:36.05 | hrw|work | it should include pxa-reg.h probably to get MCI0 |
| 12:36.22 | hrw|work | and it probably wont work then on sa1100 |
| 12:37.27 | lardman | two versions needed then? |
| 12:37.38 | hrw|work | anyway: * ! This driver have end of live! Please use hcd/sl811.c instand ! |
| 12:37.41 | hrw|work | is in source |
| 12:38.15 | lardman | for some reason both are insmoded in the instructions though |
| 12:39.41 | XorA | hrw|work: I now have SID chrooted inside my gentoo to try a build :-) |
| 12:39.48 | hrw|work | XorA: ok |
| 13:00.31 | BigAl | Anybody here got a c3000? |
| 13:03.56 | hrw|work | BigAl: you work on getting OZ on it? |
| 13:15.53 | BigAl | hrw|work: Yeah, I've hacked together a bootstrap rom I built with OE and the c3000 kernel, but I can't get pcmcia running |
| 13:16.18 | BigAl | It detects the cards fine and tells me I've got a microdrive and a CF card sitting there, but won't actually create the devices |
| 13:16.36 | hrw|work | with 2.4.20/sharp? |
| 13:16.39 | BigAl | Yeah |
| 13:18.08 | BigAl | I've got ide-cs compiled into the kernel, so I'm not sure why it's not linking up the device nodes. |
| 13:18.40 | hrw|work | what if you mknod those devices? |
| 13:22.14 | BigAl | Tried that, didn't work.. whenever I tried to access the devices it gave me an error |
| 13:22.31 | BigAl | I even tried recompiling the zaurus kernel with devfs to see if it'd create them automatically, and it didn't. |
| 13:24.06 | XorA | BigAl: what if ide_cs is a module? Ive never had success with 2.4.X on x86 making PCMCIA modules work when builtin |
| 13:24.40 | BigAl | I tried recompiling with ide-cs as a module once, but it gave me an unresolved symbol error when I tried to insmod it. |
| 13:25.05 | XorA | BigAl: pcmcia card services are supposed to modprobe it for you |
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| 13:26.13 | BigAl | I might try it as a module again, I did have some problems with modprobe last time, but I think I've fixed them now |
| 13:40.12 | tyreth | After installing GPE, I went back to opie. after flashing, my sl5500 won't boot. The kernel tries the filesystem and says: |
| 13:40.42 | tyreth | JFFS2: Erase block at 0x00de0000 is not formatted. It will be erased (message duplicated 20-40 times for various blocks, then:) |
| 13:40.58 | tyreth | Cowardly refusing to erase blocks on filesystem with no valid JFFS2 nodes. |
| 13:41.10 | tyreth | Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 1f:04 |
| 13:41.29 | tyreth | I've tried reformatting a few times. Unfortunately now I have no way to access my compact flash card to change what's on it :( |
| 13:42.19 | XorA | tyreth: you will need to get to computer store and buy a CF read |
| 13:42.23 | XorA | +er |
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| 13:43.40 | tyreth | Any idea what the problem is? |
| 13:44.34 | XorA | tyreth: sounds like you loaded an invalid jffs2 image, but Im not sure how you would have done that, did you remeber to call sync after copying the files? |
| 13:44.59 | tyreth | I did not know I needed to, so I did not forget or remember :) |
| 13:45.32 | XorA | tyreth: standard *nix thing, stuff is buffered before writing so if you want to make sure its on disk then sync |
| 13:45.45 | XorA | tyreth: if you unmountd then it did it for you and that wasnt the problem |
| 13:46.09 | tyreth | I didn't unmount, so that probably is the problem. |
| 13:46.16 | XorA | tyreth: :-( |
| 13:46.32 | XorA | tyreth: time to go to local electronics store :-D |
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| 13:51.24 | tyreth | Yep |
| 13:53.05 | XorA | lardman: so is it a monster? |
| 13:53.28 | lardman | No, p3-800 with 320Mb |
| 13:53.39 | lardman | found it in my office and stuck in a spare hdd |
| 13:53.49 | lardman | that way I can give it back intact if anyone comes looking for it |
| 13:53.51 | XorA | lardman: cool, wish I found stuff like that in here |
| 13:54.21 | lardman | at least I can stick it up on my *very* quick connection and take part now rather than having to ferry stuff home on disk |
| 13:55.27 | XorA | lardman: cool, put that hd in loose and you can just pop it in and out to transfer :-) |
| 13:56.02 | lardman | Actually I'm just going to do the dev stuff up here I reckon - do a bit in the evening before I head home, etc |
| 13:56.21 | lardman | I'm working at uni, so it's relatively relaxed :-) |
| 13:56.49 | XorA | lardman: wish I was in a job like that :-) |
| 13:57.45 | lardman | don't get paid that much though (but gives me time to write up PhD) |
| 13:58.01 | XorA | lardman: another genius :-) |
| 13:58.12 | lardman | lol, I've not got it yet! |
| 14:00.49 | XorA | lardman|brb: you not persuaded Uni to build a massive mosix cluster for you :-) |
| 14:10.24 | lardman | XorA: No, everything here's WinXP anyway - I have to sneak this (now) Linux box onto the network |
| 14:10.52 | XorA | Uni running windows, yuuuuueeeeerchhhhhh |
| 14:12.04 | lardman | Well I suppose the backbone is *nix, but everything we use now is Windows |
| 14:12.31 | XorA | lardman: I'd have failed if I had to suffer that |
| 14:12.55 | XorA | but then the bonus is I might have been a lawyer or something now instead of wasting my life on software :-) |
| 14:16.21 | lardman | I only stumbled into Linux a few years back when I bought my first Z |
| 14:18.30 | XorA | lardman: I got introduced to Unix in 1993 when I started Uni and enver looked back, first PC had Redhat 4.0 on it within 2 hours of crossing my threshhold :-) |
| 14:19.36 | lardman | I was always interested in unix - mainly to try to work out how to jump a 3hr print queue ahead of my jobs |
| 14:19.44 | lardman | never worked out how to do it though :-D |
| 14:19.54 | XorA | its easy in *doze |
| 14:20.19 | lardman | not if you're only an ordinary user |
| 14:21.10 | XorA | lardman: look at print server and see if it has its printer shared as a file, if so configure that file as a local (not print server) driven printer for your machine :-) |
| 14:23.16 | lardman | Hmm, but that won't jump the queue will it? |
| 14:23.34 | lardman | not that it matters now as I have an office & printer of my own |
| 14:26.42 | XorA | lardman: well in typical setup the print queue seems to be held on a 3rd server, by going direct to real server you jump |
| 14:27.16 | lardman | Ah, I see |
| 14:42.48 | hrw|work | XorA: what was changed? |
| 14:43.07 | XorA | hrw|work: building under SID in chroot |
| 14:43.30 | hrw|work | blame your gentoo then ;) |
| 14:43.55 | XorA | hrw|work: Im guessing libtool has serious problems on amd64 or when you have lots of dev libs lying around |
| 14:44.10 | hrw|work | perhaps |
| 14:44.25 | XorA | hrw|work: it insists on searching /usr/* which is never going to work |
| 14:45.12 | XorA | arm-linux-ld throws a wobbler when you try and link arm code to x86_64 libraries |
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| 15:38.42 | boumm | hello |
| 15:38.57 | boumm | are you there ? |
| 15:38.58 | hrw|work | hi |
| 15:39.46 | boumm | i use a basic irc client so difficult to use |
| 15:40.39 | boumm | *don t have on right a list of people connected here |
| 15:41.27 | boumm | search informations about uclinux |
| 15:43.19 | boumm | My Dlink router have MontaVista Linux embedded |
| 15:43.29 | hrw|work | it's wrt54? |
| 15:44.06 | hrw|work | ops. wrt is linksys afaik |
| 15:44.12 | boumm | no. It is a Dlink 502T (no wireless) |
| 15:45.04 | hrw|work | you want to build own distro for it? |
| 15:45.22 | boumm | exactely :) |
| 15:45.40 | hrw|work | maybe rather #oe will be better |
| 15:45.48 | hrw|work | http://www.openembedded.org/ |
| 15:46.08 | boumm | #oe is the channel name ? |
| 15:46.23 | hrw|work | yes |
| 15:46.39 | boumm | i will try this |
| 15:47.31 | boumm | you are working ? |
| 15:47.48 | hrw|work | yes |
| 15:49.06 | boumm | let you so ... thanks for your information |
| 15:50.27 | hrw|work | no problem |
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| 17:28.12 | skradfasket | well, wassamadaforyou? anyone like to help me decode a bug report? |
| 17:29.48 | skradfasket | oh christ. Azareus, not openzaurus. my bad |
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| 18:12.33 | zonezeid | Why zaurus sl-c3000 doesn't cost $99? Please read: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=9661 |
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| 18:47.51 | lardman | time for home, just started a bitbake nano, fingers crossed everything installed ok |
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| 19:10.03 | hrw | nano... I dont even know did I build this ;) |
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| 23:03.18 | tyreth | The thing that irritates me with OZ opie is whenever I power it on it takes 3-5 seconds or so before I can do anything when I have a CF card in. |
| 23:03.22 | tyreth | The sharp rom is instant. |
| 23:18.20 | W8TVI | The sharp rom is old. it doesn't do as much as OZ/Opie |
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| 23:24.57 | tyreth | The problem is waiting 5 seconds every time I power on is a serious limitation...it makes me want to avoid using my Z where I don't need to. |
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