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| 01:01.57 | tyreth | I didn't set up the business card when opie first installed - where do I find it to enter my details? |
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| 05:18.05 | hedgehair | what is the difference between the 5000 and the 5000D ? |
| 05:23.34 | hedgehair | anyone use qplot? |
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| 06:26.02 | duketek | sup guys |
| 06:26.38 | duketek | I just installedoz 3.5.2 and since got me a 1gig sd card |
| 06:26.58 | duketek | I need to format it to ext2 but i dont have the mkfs.ext2 prog |
| 06:27.06 | duketek | anyone know what package provides it |
| 06:27.08 | duketek | ??? |
| 06:27.44 | duketek | i tried e2fsprogs didnt have the file tho |
| 06:32.22 | duketek | yay just found it. i guess i was looking for the literature the e2fsprogs-mke2fs |
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| 07:29.57 | kergoth`zzz | hedgehair: there is no 5000. |
| 07:30.00 | kergoth`zzz | hedgehair: never was. |
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| 09:52.08 | RockClimber | What's the preferref media player for the Zaurus with OZ3.2? |
| 09:52.46 | RockClimber | Ooops, I mean 3.5.2 - I was up until 1am cooking pancakes - very tired |
| 09:55.09 | XorA | RockClimber: depends who and what is being played |
| 09:59.07 | RockClimber | Should have said, I meant mp3s |
| 10:00.39 | XorA | RockClimber: xmms |
| 10:01.04 | RockClimber | Last time I had a fully configured OZ (I think 3.2 or 3.3.5) I was using xmms, but there was an issue about whether the headphones or the pizeo was used (5500). |
| 10:01.36 | XorA | RockClimber: I dont beleive the piezo sound device exists in 3.5.2 because it caused problems with alarms |
| 10:01.45 | hrw|work | RockClimber: under oz 3.5.x we removed patch which allows to play by buzzer |
| 10:02.39 | RockClimber | How about e-mail - what's availble for IMAP? |
| 10:02.53 | XorA | opie-mail does IMAP now |
| 10:02.57 | hrw|work | opie-mail |
| 10:03.03 | XorA | kinda |
| 10:03.38 | RockClimber | And which web browser - konq or try and get an Opera working? |
| 10:04.19 | XorA | RockClimber: opera 7.3 I had working nicely with oz-compat |
| 10:04.38 | hrw|work | I had opera 7.55 on collie |
| 10:04.41 | XorA | RockClimber: I got the .ipk's from www.zaurususergroup.com |
| 10:04.56 | XorA | hrw|work: 7.55 for me segfaults almost immediately |
| 10:06.08 | RockClimber | I used to like Opera 6, what 7.3 got that makes it better? Anything really useful? |
| 10:10.13 | XorA | RockClimber: it renders pages a little better |
| 10:12.07 | RockClimber | Final question... Is there any reason to move any flash directories to SD. If apps are installed to ext2 SD, where do documents and the like end up? |
| 10:12.34 | RockClimber | I mean, like "/home on SD" with the older ROMS. |
| 10:24.21 | RockClimber | XorA - so where do you save your documents? |
| 10:32.12 | XorA | RockClimber: on an SD card |
| 10:37.32 | RockClimber | Not all apps seem to ask where to store documents though - I wondered if there was a way of moving the default home directory? |
| 10:37.54 | XorA | ln -s /mnt/card/home /home |
| 10:38.02 | XorA | after having moved/remove /home |
| 10:39.56 | RockClimber | okay |
| 10:40.06 | RockClimber | thank you, what about /root? |
| 10:40.19 | XorA | RockClimber: ln -s /root /home/root |
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| 10:40.37 | XorA | ln -s /home/root /root (the right way round) |
| 10:40.48 | XorA | then it will be compatible with next release as well |
| 10:41.13 | hrw|work | XorA: thx - you reminded mi one bug in opie to fix |
| 10:41.28 | XorA | HOME=/root in /etc/init.d/opie :-) |
| 10:41.31 | RockClimber | ? Will /root be moving to /home/root? |
| 10:41.45 | XorA | RockClimber: yes |
| 10:41.46 | hrw|work | RockClimber: it is already done |
| 10:41.49 | hrw|work | XorA: exact |
| 10:43.42 | XorA | hrw|work: how do you force a downgrade in ipkg? |
| 10:44.46 | hrw|work | vi /usr/lib/ipkg/status |
| 10:52.07 | RockClimber | When you say it's already done, do you mean in the >3.5.2 experimental stuff? |
| 10:52.16 | hrw|work | yes |
| 10:52.45 | hrw|work | RockClimber: I can say that 3.5.2 for me was experiment ;) |
| 11:11.13 | RockClimber | which kernel is in 3.5.2? |
| 11:11.37 | hrw|work | 2.4.18 as always |
| 11:12.06 | RockClimber | I'd forgotten - and my Z is at home. |
| 11:35.59 | lardman | I'd forgotten how long glibc do_package() takes |
| 11:36.09 | lardman | at least it all works without any troubles |
| 11:36.34 | lardman | Anyone know about modifying defconfig files to generate usb modules? |
| 11:37.08 | lardman | to be exact - are they generated somehow, or should I just go through and start removing # and adding YES |
| 11:38.13 | hrw|work | lardman: use bitbake to unpack, patch, configure kenrel, then go into kernel dir, use make menuconfig |
| 11:38.24 | lardman | ok, thanks |
| 11:38.29 | hrw|work | lardman: then save .config as defconfig-${MACHINE} |
| 11:38.45 | hrw|work | btw - what usb modules? you build for x86 or tosa? |
| 11:39.00 | lardman | for shepherd |
| 11:39.04 | lardman | with ratoc cf card |
| 11:39.19 | hrw|work | ah.. yes |
| 11:39.29 | hrw|work | managed to compile ratoc driver? |
| 11:39.34 | lardman | no just thinking ahead, I spent most of yesterday evening fixing kernel build, but it works now |
| 11:40.05 | lardman | I've got to the same stage as you did (in 5 min :-D) as I left your files here at work |
| 11:40.28 | lardman | I'm sure my method is significantly messier |
| 11:40.56 | hrw|work | get it working - clean can be after made |
| 11:41.04 | lardman | assuming glibc packaging finishes some time this year, I'll have another look this arvo |
| 11:41.20 | hrw|work | low mem? |
| 11:41.25 | lardman | 320mb |
| 11:41.37 | lardman | no bb patches, no python speedup |
| 11:41.50 | lardman | The python speedup stuff wouldn't install |
| 11:42.33 | lardman | wanted to find a Makefile (from Python itself) and I ran out of time trying to fix it (wanted my supper :-) |
| 11:42.42 | hrw|work | 320mb.... use bitbake -b to glibc build |
| 11:43.00 | lardman | that specifies which ones to build? |
| 11:43.15 | lardman | I'll look in the wiki, I've seen that somewhere |
| 11:43.23 | hrw|work | bitbake -b path/glibc/glibc_2.3.2+cvs20040726.bb |
| 11:44.57 | lardman | I'll see if it finishes (as I've got other stuff to do this morning), otherwise I'll try that, thanks |
| 11:45.03 | hrw|work | ok |
| 11:45.11 | hrw|work | glibc on lowmem can take ages |
| 11:45.24 | lardman | tell me about it :-) |
| 11:45.51 | lardman | I guess I'd be better off applying the cow patches and using the pythin speedup too? |
| 11:46.48 | hrw|work | howto build on lowmem: |
| 11:46.53 | hrw|work | 1. disable psyco |
| 11:46.57 | hrw|work | 2. use bbcow |
| 11:47.01 | hrw|work | 3. use BBMASK |
| 11:48.07 | lardman | disable psycho? It works (OE) well with psycho and oecow on my home machine (256MB) |
| 11:49.39 | hrw|work | psyco take ram |
| 11:50.33 | lardman | mute point anyway as it doesn't seem to want to install |
| 11:51.06 | lardman | I've just started the bitbake -b on glibc, hopefully it'll finish after lunch |
| 11:51.56 | hrw|work | ok. time to prepare some upgrades for 3.5.2 people |
| 11:53.13 | lardman | ok, thanks for the info about lowmem |
| 11:55.04 | hrw|work | no problem |
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| 12:53.28 | dipnlik | what do i need to get a pocketop IR keyboard to work on OZ, only irk? |
| 12:53.46 | hrw|work | irk |
| 12:53.57 | hrw|work | and it should work afaik |
| 12:56.15 | XorA | yes, should be only irk |
| 12:56.27 | XorA | switch to irk as your input method, keyboard should just work (tm) |
| 12:58.07 | lardman | Going back to my modules question. Should I create a seperate kernel build to produce the usb modules, or can it be done as part of the normal one, and packaged seperately? |
| 12:58.30 | dipnlik | ok, thanks. will try it tonight,when i get the KB. |
| 12:58.52 | dipnlik | anyone had problems installing the graffiti set for handwriting recognition? |
| 12:59.11 | hrw|work | lardman: alter config to get more modules and they will be packaged |
| 12:59.50 | lardman | hrw|work: they won't be packaged seperately though will they? Modt people won't want them |
| 13:00.23 | hrw|work | lardman: so what? we ship so many modules... each of them can be installed by user |
| 13:00.36 | dipnlik | i installed it and it took ages to complete the install and complained abut $QTDIR not being set correctly. tried to uninstall and some more ages to do it, and 10 minutes later it wasn't uninstalled. |
| 13:00.49 | lardman | Ah okay, they each have an ipk, I thought they were a job-lot. My mistake |
| 13:00.49 | dipnlik | properly |
| 13:00.59 | hrw|work | dipnlik: you have wrong enviroment |
| 13:01.11 | hrw|work | install service-release1 or how it was called |
| 13:01.43 | dipnlik | will look for it later |
| 13:01.58 | dipnlik | i'm asking now because i know there are ppl here at this time |
| 13:02.20 | dipnlik | but i will install things on it only at night (11AM here now) |
| 13:02.23 | lardman | dipnlik: It's an ipk in the upgrades feed |
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| 13:02.54 | dipnlik | thks, lardman, hrw|work |
| 13:03.07 | hrw|work | np |
| 13:03.13 | lardman | likewise |
| 13:03.39 | lardman | hrw|work: wrt the cow patches, should only the b patch be applied (the bitbake one)? |
| 13:03.54 | hrw|work | lardman: bitbake one and packages one |
| 13:04.11 | lardman | there are 2 bitbake (a&b) & one packages patches |
| 13:05.12 | hrw|work | b |
| 13:05.25 | lardman | ok, just checking |
| 13:07.05 | dipnlik | anyone here using qplot on OZ? here it always terminates with a SIGPIPE. |
| 13:09.22 | dipnlik | also, running qplot from console does nothing. No info, no error message |
| 13:10.14 | hrw|work | we know it - noone tried to resolve it |
| 13:11.36 | dipnlik | any suggestions on scientific calcs? |
| 13:11.53 | dipnlik | i know octave, any more suggestions? |
| 13:12.05 | dipnlik | maybe something to plot graphics |
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| 13:56.42 | lardman|lunch | dipnlik: R - I'm working on it |
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| 14:08.50 | dipnlik | lardman: is R the name of the package? |
| 14:09.03 | dipnlik | lardman: is it available on the feed? |
| 14:22.49 | lardman | dipnlik: No, not yet, it's in the not_working dir of packages |
| 14:23.15 | lardman | and yes, it's called R |
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| 14:55.09 | dipnlik | lardman: ok, thanks and good luck! |
| 14:56.07 | dipnlik | i just noticed some plotting programs on ZSI, think i'll try some of them later. did you try them, lardman? |
| 14:59.29 | lardman | dipnlik: I think I tried Qplot (not the gnuplot for qtopia version, but a stand alone app). It seemed to work ok and the source was available |
| 15:00.00 | lardman | I was going to fiddle with it but it got put on the back-burner (like so many things) |
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| 15:02.23 | lardman | It might have been called QtPlot actually |
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| 15:32.58 | *** topic/#openzaurus is OpenZaurus user discussion/support channel | developer discussion in #oe | http://openzaurus.org/ | Don't ask to ask, just ask. | OZ 3.5.2 -> http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.2/ | Report OZ bugs at http://bugs.openembedded.org/ l/p: guest/guest |
| 15:41.01 | dipnlik | is it possible to use kate syntax files on TinyKate? If so, how do I do it? |
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| 16:15.00 | lardman|brb | Anyone here built OZ pxa kernel with bitbake? |
| 16:16.01 | XorA | lardman|brb: yup |
| 16:16.22 | hrw|work | lardman|brb: is there any other way? :) |
| 16:20.06 | lardman|brb | Well I've built one with OE |
| 16:20.13 | lardman|brb | But it's failing with bitbake |
| 16:20.29 | XorA | I built oz-pxa-2.6 just yesterday |
| 16:20.56 | lardman|brb | complaining thus "arm-linux-gcc-2.95: No such file or directory" |
| 16:21.07 | lardman|brb | and it's in the PATH |
| 16:21.07 | XorA | lardman|brb: read the wiki |
| 16:21.15 | lardman|brb | where? |
| 16:21.23 | lardman|brb | I've re-named if that's what you mean |
| 16:21.59 | lardman|brb | I assume that error does actually mean that it can't find arm-linux-gcc-2.95 |
| 16:23.15 | XorA | lardman|brb: means you dont have 2.95 installed |
| 16:23.25 | lardman|brb | log here if anyone has any suggestions: http://students.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/Zaurus/log.do_compile.4754 |
| 16:23.27 | XorA | you need the external to bitbake ones |
| 16:23.33 | lardman|brb | I have this |
| 16:23.39 | lardman|brb | I installed it yesterday |
| 16:23.47 | XorA | lardman|brb: its not in your path, or wasnt in your path ewhen cache was built |
| 16:23.52 | XorA | if second cache nuke your cache |
| 16:24.03 | lardman|brb | it even runs (if I type arm-linux-gcc-2.95 in the term before starting bitbake) |
| 16:24.12 | lardman|brb | Ah, cache! |
| 16:24.18 | lardman|brb | How do I nuke this? |
| 16:24.27 | XorA | rm -rf tmp/cache |
| 16:24.43 | lardman|brb | thank you (head's getting sore after beating it against wall) |
| 16:25.20 | XorA | lardman|brb: been there done that :-) |
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| 16:36.27 | *** topic/#openzaurus is OpenZaurus user discussion/support channel | developer discussion in #oe | http://openzaurus.org/ | Don't ask to ask, just ask. | OZ 3.5.2 -> http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.2/ | Report OZ bugs at http://bugs.openembedded.org/ l/p: guest/guest |
| 17:07.25 | dipnlik | one more defaced page on oe wiki: http://www.openembedded.org/oe_wiki/index.php/OpenZaurusFineTuning |
| 17:10.56 | kergoth | want to transition that one to the new wiki? |
| 17:11.03 | kergoth | i want to kill tlhe old one off completely asap. |
| 17:12.02 | hrw|work | kergoth: disable editing of old one maybe? |
| 17:12.40 | dipnlik | kergoth: where is the new wiki? |
| 17:12.52 | kergoth | dipnlik: openembedded.org. click on .. *gasp* .. "wiki" |
| 17:13.05 | dipnlik | sorry :p |
| 17:14.53 | dipnlik | hm, it uses another system. i can help on the new wiki, but not now exactly. probably i'll have more time to do that on the weekend |
| 17:15.24 | kergoth | nod, the wiki markup is different |
| 17:15.33 | kergoth | its basically just a bunch of search/replaces to transition it |
| 17:16.12 | hedgehair | anyone check out qplot? |
| 17:18.21 | dipnlik | kergoth, i need to learn a little of both to check out what replaces i'll have to do. |
| 17:18.39 | dipnlik | hedgehair, not working yet =\ |
| 17:19.04 | kergoth | nod |
| 17:19.39 | hedgehair | dipnlik, the SIGPIPE thing? have you looked at the source yet? |
| 17:21.37 | hedgehair | int results[2]; ..... if (pipe (results) < 0) { fprintf(stderr, "Pipe error\n"); ... shouldent it be less than 2 ? |
| 17:22.28 | kergoth | no, it should not |
| 17:22.34 | kergoth | pipe returns 0 on success |
| 17:22.38 | kergoth | on failure it returns -1 |
| 17:23.08 | kergoth | i'd really advise reading the man page on functions before assuming you know how their error handling works |
| 17:23.35 | hedgehair | but the if is checking if results is less than 0 when its set to 2 ? |
| 17:24.46 | kergoth | what are you talking about? |
| 17:24.59 | kergoth | its checking if the value returned by the pipe() function is less than 0 |
| 17:25.15 | kergoth | perhaps you need to read a book on C. I highly recommend "The C Programming Language" by kernighan and ritchie |
| 17:25.30 | hedgehair | yea yea yea |
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| 17:44.46 | dipnlik | just noticed: notez is great software, specially from ppl coming from PalmOS. But it doesn't sort the notes alphabetically. what are the chances that for this to be implemented? |
| 17:45.02 | lardman | For info: cfu1-driver has compiled successfully, not packaged yet as I'm wondering about the script which came with it (looks like it should be placed in /etc/pcmcia/config - I need to read the HowTo later on) |
| 17:45.05 | kergoth | why dont you contact whoever maintains it? |
| 17:45.35 | kergoth | lardman: in general its a good idea for that info to be in a seperate .conf rather than in the monolithic config |
| 17:45.41 | kergoth | like how hostap provides /etc/pcmcia/hostap_cs.conf |
| 17:45.52 | lardman | ah, okay, that's the way it is atm |
| 17:46.02 | kergoth | the pcmcia scripts load the .conf's automatically |
| 17:46.14 | lardman | just what I was about to ask |
| 17:46.39 | lardman | Ok, so should I produce a patch to create the file, or can it be included somehow from the packages dir? |
| 17:46.51 | lardman | I'll take a look at some of the *examples* ;-) |
| 17:47.00 | kergoth | if it didnt come from its sources, you can just drop the .conf into the filespath for the .bb in question |
| 17:47.03 | kergoth | and do something like.. |
| 17:47.07 | kergoth | do_install_append () { |
| 17:47.17 | kergoth | install -m 0644 ${WORKDIR}/blah.conf ${D}/${sysconfdir}/pcmcia/ |
| 17:47.17 | kergoth | } |
| 17:47.18 | kergoth | or whatever |
| 17:47.28 | kergoth | oh, and add it to SRC_URI of course, using file:// |
| 17:47.45 | lardman | just what I was after |
| 17:47.47 | kergoth | any file:// entries that are not flagged as patches get installed into ${WORKDIR} during the do_unpack phase |
| 17:47.53 | kergoth | so that you can do with them what you will |
| 17:47.58 | lardman | cool |
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| 23:18.53 | Bernardo | hi |
| 23:19.24 | Bernardo | I need some help getting opie running again on my collie (oz 3.5.3 pre), something short of reinstalling it all |
| 23:19.30 | Bernardo | When it starts, the screen is cleared, the log shows "successfully entered daemon mode" but opie never shows the desktop, and when I check there is no quicklauncher process running |
| 23:19.45 | Bernardo | this happened after it hung when I tried to suspend it |
| 23:20.35 | Bernardo | I've already reinstalled opie-taskbar, but that didn't change a thing |
| 23:28.02 | Bernardo | I now installed all "libopie*2-?" again, still no go. "/etc/init.d/opie start" changes vt to 2, but nothing more |
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