| 00:01.48 | xfze | err... well only 1368kB available though |
| 00:02.01 | xfze | must be another one too =( |
| 00:08.16 | Luke-Jr | I want to use a microphone on my Z while still hearing audio from the internal speakers... but the Z mutes the speakers when the mic is plugged in-- any ideas? |
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| 00:11.23 | caffinated | Luke-Jr: as far as i can tell, on my sl-5500, it's one or the other. might be different in other models, i don't know. |
| 00:13.17 | Luke-Jr | caffinated: why would the mic block speakers? |
| 00:13.56 | caffinated | possibly to stop the mic from picking up feedback? |
| 00:14.26 | caffinated | on mine, the headphones and the mic jack are the same jack |
| 00:14.31 | Luke-Jr | same here |
| 00:14.35 | caffinated | and the speaker is little more than a buzzer |
| 00:14.36 | Luke-Jr | but I'm not trying to use headphones |
| 00:15.08 | Luke-Jr | It must be possible... there's at least 2 phone apps... |
| 00:15.30 | caffinated | i've seen that - i assumed it was for other models that overcame the issue. |
| 00:16.20 | Luke-Jr | all Zs have only one audio port, AFAIK |
| 00:16.26 | Luke-Jr | mine is a C760 |
| 00:17.31 | caffinated | weird that there would be VOIP apps then |
| 00:18.06 | Luke-Jr | Well, tkPhone is a commercial product |
| 00:18.10 | Luke-Jr | so it must be possible somehow |
| 00:18.16 | Luke-Jr | or they would have no target market |
| 00:20.17 | Luke-Jr | tkPhone is for 5x Series |
| 00:26.16 | caffinated | perhaps they use the microphone accessory for input and output, and just kill one while the other is in use. |
| 00:26.31 | caffinated | kinda like CB radios |
| 00:40.15 | Luke-Jr | caffinated: never seen anything for that |
| 00:41.10 | caffinated | Luke-Jr: i'm just speculating |
| 00:41.39 | caffinated | i have no idea how those applications are actually supposed to work. |
| 00:43.47 | Luke-Jr | also, Sharp marketed Zauruses for VoIP a while back |
| 00:43.50 | Luke-Jr | or at least trialed it |
| 00:44.37 | caffinated | i'm not saying there isn't a way, i just can't see what that way is. |
| 00:44.47 | caffinated | there is only one jack, and it's for both. it makes no sense. |
| 00:45.20 | caffinated | that, and i've never heard the internal speaker do anything more than make buzzer noises. |
| 00:45.50 | Luke-Jr | C760's can play music fine |
| 00:46.13 | caffinated | but the SL-5x00 can't |
| 00:46.22 | caffinated | so, why market a voip client for them? |
| 00:51.46 | Luke-Jr | hmm |
| 00:52.07 | Luke-Jr | I wonder if it's possible to tell the Z to use the 2 channels (stereo out) for mono in and mono out... |
| 00:52.40 | caffinated | i did some quick looking around, they aparently map to different devices, and the mic is mono ... |
| 00:52.45 | caffinated | you might be on to something there |
| 00:53.43 | caffinated | assuming it works, you'd need to make a bit of a hardware hack, but 10 minutes is a soldering iron and the right parts could make it happen |
| 00:53.50 | Luke-Jr | Where did you find that? |
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| 00:54.01 | caffinated | Luke-Jr: just some random forum posts |
| 00:54.14 | Luke-Jr | where? I googled and didn't find anything like it o.o |
| 00:55.37 | caffinated | bleh, i lost the link, hangon, i'll see if i can find it in my history |
| 00:58.14 | Luke-Jr | thx |
| 00:58.20 | caffinated | http://www.kauss.org/Stephan/ziaxphone/index.html - noticed it there. looks like it's distro and hardware dependant |
| 00:58.35 | caffinated | not a lot of info there, just noticed it in the comments |
| 00:59.03 | Luke-Jr | I was just there... o.o |
| 00:59.17 | Luke-Jr | don't see anything about it |
| 00:59.34 | caffinated | right at the very top |
| 00:59.47 | Luke-Jr | the /dev/dsp stuff? that's normal for most Linux-based OS... |
| 00:59.51 | caffinated | he mentions that old sharp versions used two devices |
| 01:00.03 | Luke-Jr | actually, I think 5600 have a builtin mic |
| 01:08.47 | caffinated | i think i'll just email the creators of tkPhone and ask them how it's supposed to work on a 5500 - that's probably the quickest way to figure it out ;) |
| 01:09.06 | caffinated | since it's a commercial product, they'll probably answer in hopes of getting a sale |
| 01:13.47 | caffinated | sent. hopefully they'll get back to me - the app doesn't cost very much, and if it works, i might pick it up. |
| 01:13.58 | caffinated | voip sure would be nice |
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| 03:59.57 | caffinated | for some reason, it's attempting to write to /mnt/cf and i'm not sure why this is. the package i'm installing is being installed using '-d sd' |
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| 09:42.06 | hrw | re |
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| 10:46.59 | RockClimber | Is it possible to make the Z funtion as USB mass storage device (easily) so that it could be plugged into a USB port and used as a CF/SD reader? |
| 10:51.35 | dipnlik_ | RockClimber: proably yes, using samba. |
| 10:51.54 | dipnlik_ | RockClimber: or even just with ssh, using WinSCP. |
| 10:52.02 | hrw|work | dipnlik_: usb mass storage |
| 10:52.12 | hrw|work | RockClimber: which Z you have? |
| 10:52.29 | hrw|work | basically in OZ we dont have needed kernel modules (atleast for collie) |
| 10:52.51 | dipnlik_ | hrw|work: sorry, what's the difference? |
| 10:53.44 | dipnlik_ | where can i get a compatibility list for wi-fi cards? |
| 10:53.54 | hrw|work | dipnlik_: usb mass storage is like 'pendrive' - connect, grab files, disconnect |
| 10:54.28 | hrw|work | dipnlik_: no shit like "which driver I have to get to get Z connected over usb", "how to install samba on Z?" etc.. |
| 10:54.33 | hrw|work | dipnlik_: at zug |
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| 10:54.37 | RockClimber | hrw|work, Z 5500 |
| 10:55.32 | RockClimber | basically, 128mb data sticks are £11 from Amazon - trying to work out whether to get one, or just use my Z. |
| 11:20.24 | RockClimber | i think i'll get a datastick - they always come in useful |
| 11:20.52 | RockClimber | I could always take a linux distro on it, then I'll be able to NAT my Z anywhere |
| 11:26.29 | RockClimber | On Friday I wrote this search program (http://users.ox.ac.uk/cgi-bin/safeperl/scat1139/ipkg) to search the OZ 3.5.2 Feed. On Saturday in #oe someone suggested it was redundant as ipkgfind could search those feeds - what are your views? |
| 11:27.13 | RockClimber | I though ipkgview was for the Familiar build of OE and therefore it would be confusing displaying Z and Familiar ipkgs |
| 11:28.06 | dipnlik_ | RockClimber: haven't tried, but two is always better than one. Ppl can choose what they prefer, can use the other if one is down, etc. |
| 11:30.59 | RockClimber | does anyone have a Z->USB cable? Does it have any fancy electronics in it? |
| 11:32.07 | hrw|work | RockClimber: only wires |
| 11:32.23 | hrw|work | RockClimber: atleast I make them with wires only |
| 11:32.46 | Luke-Jr | heh |
| 11:33.19 | RockClimber | hrw|work, that's good to know. I built a Z-Serial cable to connect my GPS with. Was wondering if I could build a Z->USB too. |
| 11:33.33 | Luke-Jr | hrw|work: Happen to know what I would need to do to connect a headphone and mic to my Z at the same time? (it would probably use wires ;) |
| 11:33.34 | RockClimber | Is it possible to charge the Z with the USB power? |
| 11:34.50 | RockClimber | Luke-Jr, I wouldn't have thought you could, it might be a stereo socket, but there's only one GND |
| 11:35.00 | Luke-Jr | RockClimber: you could probably at least slow the battery drain... |
| 11:35.11 | hrw|work | RockClimber: mic is on left channel |
| 11:35.18 | hrw|work | Luke-Jr: mic is on left channel |
| 11:35.44 | Luke-Jr | hrw|work: so I can just share the ground and split the left/right? |
| 11:36.06 | hrw|work | RockClimber: charging.. maybe it is possible but who know how long will usb live in machine from which you will get power... I burnt one port with sony clie charging... |
| 11:36.11 | hrw|work | Luke-Jr: probably |
| 11:36.44 | Luke-Jr | thanks |
| 11:36.53 | Luke-Jr | that's the one obstacle I had to using my Z as a cellphone |
| 11:39.05 | Radiance | with a pcmcia card i take it ? |
| 11:41.39 | Luke-Jr | PCMCIA? |
| 11:41.43 | Luke-Jr | how and why? |
| 11:42.58 | Luke-Jr | VoIP over PPP over SSH over TCP over IP over 802.11 o.o |
| 11:43.55 | Radiance | well then it's not a real cellphone |
| 11:44.03 | Radiance | i thought you were talking about gsm tech |
| 11:44.11 | Radiance | not stuff i can do with my gameboy |
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| 12:03.30 | lardman|bbl | hrw: Usb storage....? Shall I submit the patch for collie to enable it? |
| 12:03.57 | hrw | lardman: sure, why not |
| 12:04.39 | lardman | hrw: Okay, I'll dig it out - it probably still has some lock-up issues |
| 12:04.46 | lardman | when you switch back and forth |
| 12:04.56 | lardman | but it'll give people an option |
| 12:05.15 | hrw | do you have opie-sh script to control network/storage switching maybe? |
| 12:05.42 | lardman | I've just got two plain scripts: start_net.sh and start_storage.sh |
| 12:06.04 | lardman | but someone who knows opie-sh should be able to modify, etc. without any troubles |
| 12:08.22 | hrw | ok |
| 12:08.50 | hrw | afaik it need to replace net_fd with storage_fd and ask for sd/cf |
| 12:09.18 | lardman|lunch | hrw: hang on a tick, I'll find the script |
| 12:09.55 | lardman|lunch | BTW here's the link for the people wanting to do docs: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=7997 |
| 12:10.48 | hrw | thx |
| 12:13.11 | lardman|lunch | scripts are listed in the second post here: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=1485 |
| 12:13.28 | lardman|lunch | oops, here: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=1485&hl=start_storage\.sh&st=45 |
| 12:13.44 | lardman|lunch | patch is here: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=1485&hl=start_storage\.sh&st=30 |
| 12:13.48 | lardman|lunch | food. bbl |
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| 12:16.35 | tyreth | Hi, I'm trying to install konqueror and a mail application with 3.5.2, but the dependancy packages don't seem to be in the openzaurus feed: /official/unstable/3.5.2/feed/opie |
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| 12:18.46 | hrw | tyreth: added upgrades? |
| 12:18.49 | hrw | added devel? |
| 12:18.53 | hrw | read ml archives? |
| 12:19.01 | hrw | read zug/oesf forums |
| 12:19.02 | hrw | ~zug |
| 12:19.03 | ibot | i guess zug is Zaurus User Group - probably the largest source of Zaurus (and other LinuxPDA) informations. Since 2005 it is called OESF. URL: http://www.oesf.org/ |
| 12:20.39 | tyreth | what are upgrades/devel? |
| 12:21.19 | tyreth | oh, I see some folders. is there an easy way to download them all in a single package to install, or do they all have to be done individually? |
| 12:21.22 | tyreth | (installed) |
| 12:23.37 | hrw | add them into ipkg.conf |
| 12:25.54 | tyreth | oh I see, and install over net? I've been doing it by copying them onto Z. |
| 12:26.04 | tyreth | I'll have to see if I can get routing working then. |
| 12:27.06 | hrw | if you ry to install packages by hand (one after another) then you will fail - hard to trace depends |
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| 12:40.30 | RockClimber | just been reading that link Lardman posted about DOCs and their absence, I disagree that a Wiki is necessary. I think a small team of volunteers would be better. Say 5-10 people who are all grateful for the contribution of the coders but unable to respond by coding. |
| 12:45.58 | RockClimber | There are something like 8000 packages in OE, but I think that most Z questions surround a handful of apps. 5 people covering console/media/web+mail/PIM+apps/compatibility could easily write good documents in a month. By the time OZ 3.6 is ready we could have very good documentation - certainly better than Sharp provided in the manual. |
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| 12:53.49 | hrw | I never read sharp manual |
| 12:54.35 | RockClimber | I'm off home to find my Z and get it working. Then I've got to nip to France for a day or two, plenty of time to play with it. Shame I don't have a CF network card for it - anyone know where to get once in a hurry in the UK? |
| 12:55.29 | lardman | RockClimber: I agree about the docs, it wouldn't take many people |
| 12:55.56 | lardman | RockClimber: Dixons? |
| 12:56.02 | RockClimber | lardman, do you know the timescale for the next OZ releases? |
| 12:56.10 | lardman | no idea |
| 12:56.18 | lardman | sorry |
| 12:56.29 | hrw | oz 3.5.3 was planned for cebit/2005 (march) |
| 12:56.38 | RockClimber | I think 3.5.3 is supposed to be soon (March?) but there is no update to the TODO for 3.6.0 |
| 12:56.43 | lardman | was...? |
| 12:58.23 | RockClimber | totally off topic, but does anyone like 24 (the TV series) - this site, http://www.24-handydiagrams.vze.com/, has some comedy diagrams explaining the plots |
| 12:59.33 | lardman | RockClimber: I just had a quick look @ argos & pcworld and can't seem to find any wifi cf cards I'm afraid. |
| 12:59.50 | flange | maplin maybe? |
| 12:59.54 | flange | although they are quite lame |
| 13:00.01 | lardman | in a hurry though |
| 13:00.04 | lardman | I thought |
| 13:00.21 | lardman | Amazon might do next day if you're lucky |
| 13:00.44 | lardman | ebuyer have cheap stuff, but delivery is questionable |
| 13:01.52 | RockClimber | I mean ethernet not wifi |
| 13:02.07 | RockClimber | Like the Socket CF ethernet |
| 13:02.17 | lardman | oh, sorry |
| 13:02.30 | lardman | I got mine on ebay - they're still bloody expensive in the shops in the uk |
| 13:02.48 | lardman | (or they were - £90 - ouch!) |
| 13:02.50 | flange | i've got a xircom one which works |
| 13:02.59 | flange | think i borrowed it from work tho |
| 13:03.06 | lardman | :-) |
| 13:03.16 | RockClimber | It must be the low powered nature that makes them so expensive when wifi is so cheap |
| 13:03.35 | RockClimber | althought the market of wifi CF is orders of magnitude greater |
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| 13:05.45 | lardman | RockClimber: So what about the docs then? |
| 13:06.30 | lardman | I'm happy to contribute (or even better look over what others have written - I'm fairly busy atm), but don't have time to coordinate |
| 13:07.15 | lardman | Has anyone added kino2 to OE? |
| 13:07.22 | RockClimber | lardman, I'm just e-mail the OZ site maintainers |
| 13:10.24 | RockClimber | What I'll do, is make up a template on my website, and recruit people to write the documents |
| 13:10.42 | RockClimber | Then when I have a few, I'll talk to OZ about hosting them, etc |
| 13:10.44 | lardman | I had an email from Rich Simpson (the oz.org maintainer) telling me that once oe.org was back up he'd copy the install guides from there |
| 13:11.05 | RockClimber | I think they have, it's in DOCs on oz |
| 13:11.08 | lardman | and fixing the install guides is very important |
| 13:11.18 | lardman | they're wrong |
| 13:12.03 | lardman | 750 should have different instructions to 5600 (not sure about the 700, but I think it might be the same as the 5600) |
| 13:12.15 | lardman | does anyone know these things? |
| 13:12.46 | lardman | I tell a lie, it's been changed |
| 13:12.51 | lardman | I take it all back :-) |
| 13:13.45 | lardman | RockClimber: So what do you propose? I can post in the thread I linked above asking people to select a topic and then write it and link to it in the thread, then they can be collated |
| 13:16.02 | RockClimber | lardman, I don't mind posting it, and I could start a new thread |
| 13:16.26 | lardman | Sounds like a good idea, get the ball rolling, etc. |
| 13:19.48 | RockClimber | http://users.ox.ac.uk/~scat1139/oz/ |
| 13:21.26 | RockClimber | forget that |
| 13:22.00 | flange | you have a really unfortunate username |
| 13:22.08 | lardman | who me? |
| 13:22.15 | flange | ~scat1139 |
| 13:22.22 | lardman | ah :-) |
| 13:24.29 | RockClimber | 4 letter = department or college, 4 numbers |
| 13:24.47 | RockClimber | I used to be an undergraduate at St Catherine's College -> "scat" |
| 13:25.03 | RockClimber | there are worse, Queen's College -> quee |
| 13:28.56 | hrw | in Krako, Poland on University there is chemistry part with domain ch.uj.edu.pl - 'chuj' in Polish is 'dick' |
| 13:32.30 | RockClimber | You can look now, http://users.ox.ac.uk/~scat1139/oz/ |
| 13:32.38 | RockClimber | just need some volunteers |
| 13:32.52 | RockClimber | And maybe a suggestions list |
| 13:33.34 | RockClimber | I was also thinking, to do this properly it needs to be more than a collection of tips and tricks, eg the opie-mail sections should include all details on configuring the mail client and using it. |
| 13:37.54 | lardman | agreed |
| 13:39.40 | lardman | I reckon start a thread on ZUG - there are people there who would like to contribute somehow |
| 13:40.12 | RockClimber | i'm just composing one :-) |
| 13:40.17 | lardman | cool |
| 13:42.07 | RockClimber | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=10775 |
| 13:42.15 | RockClimber | be good if we could get it pinned to the top |
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| 13:44.47 | lardman | I'll do that now |
| 13:45.55 | lardman | do you think it's worth letting people suggest what they want to write in the thread, then linking to their work there? |
| 13:46.08 | lardman | I've pinned it |
| 13:46.15 | hrw | RockClimber: fix url |
| 13:46.48 | lardman | done |
| 13:46.58 | lardman | hmm, or not |
| 13:47.32 | lardman | ok, done now |
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| 14:15.10 | RockClimber | hrw, what did you mean about fix url? |
| 14:16.08 | hrw | RockClimber: "~" missing |
| 14:16.27 | RockClimber | I think lardman must have fixed that - it worked just now |
| 14:16.52 | RockClimber | yes, he did |
| 14:26.12 | RockClimber | what is the best way to install packages from the feeds, console/aqpkg/opie-packagemanger? |
| 14:27.13 | hrw | console or opie-pm |
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| 14:29.33 | xfze | hi there :) |
| 14:30.13 | xfze | does anyone have problems with oz 3.5.2 ? |
| 14:31.26 | xfze | i can't get neither opie nor qpe 3.5.2 working |
| 14:32.23 | xfze | on my sl-5600 i can get the zImage + opie.img from 3.5.1 working |
| 14:32.41 | RockClimber | does anything happen aftre flashing? |
| 14:32.51 | xfze | but with 3.5.2 the opie boots and the screen goes blank |
| 14:33.01 | hrw | xfze: on poodle aka 5600? |
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| 14:33.08 | xfze | it must be something with img |
| 14:33.15 | xfze | yes poodle |
| 14:33.38 | xfze | at the moment i have the zImage from 3.5.2 and opie.img from 3.5.1 and it works |
| 14:33.57 | xfze | if I try the img's from 3.5.2 it doens't work |
| 14:34.09 | hrw | xfze: poodle support is very limited - no hardware in OZ team |
| 14:34.33 | xfze | it does the bootsrap, init 5 and then opie in 5 sec.... screen goes blank :( |
| 14:35.13 | xfze | hrw, maybe i should email them reporting this, no? |
| 14:35.48 | hrw | xfze: http://bugs.openembedded.org/ l/p: guest/guest |
| 14:36.00 | xfze | :) thks |
| 14:36.04 | hrw | xfze: you can also try to get help at ZUG/OESF forums |
| 14:36.06 | hrw | ~zug |
| 14:36.07 | ibot | well, zug is Zaurus User Group - probably the largest source of Zaurus (and other LinuxPDA) informations. Since 2005 it is called OESF. URL: http://www.oesf.org/ |
| 14:36.15 | xfze | yeah i serached already |
| 14:36.19 | xfze | *searched |
| 14:36.20 | hrw | aha |
| 14:38.06 | xfze | another thing, if i choose the format option on maintanance mode everything is erased, what's the diference in the update wich partitions are erased during the update? |
| 14:44.19 | xfze | oh, and if try to use the 3.5.1 opie (1.16) and then update with the 3.5.2 feed (1.17) it also gets me to a blank screen |
| 14:44.41 | xfze | the problem can be with opie |
| 14:45.29 | brimstone | my 5600 runs opie 3.5.2 just fine |
| 14:45.43 | brimstone | i just downloaded the 3 files to my sd card and reflashed it |
| 14:45.46 | brimstone | it worked fine |
| 14:45.58 | brimstone | it was running 3.5.1 before it if that matters |
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| 14:46.48 | xfze | brimstone, i tried bu i only can do that with the 3.5.1 files |
| 14:46.49 | brimstone | also, i've found that the format option doesn't really format everything |
| 14:47.15 | xfze | the img from 3.5.2 led me to blank screens |
| 14:47.33 | brimstone | the best i can do is send you the md5sums of the files that i used |
| 14:47.41 | xfze | my last reflashed used updater.sh and zImage from 3.5.2 and opie.img from 3.5.1 |
| 14:47.51 | xfze | *reflash |
| 14:48.30 | xfze | if i try to use gpe or opie img from 3.5.2 it goes to opie in 5 sec and then nothing all black =\ |
| 14:49.03 | xfze | brimstone, yeah, i could check that =) thks |
| 14:49.10 | xfze | send please |
| 14:58.17 | xfze | hrw, maybe i found the prob |
| 14:58.30 | xfze | my md5 differs from oz.org md5.txt |
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| 15:01.23 | hrw | xfze: bingo |
| 15:01.36 | xfze | ok, redownloaded and now it has the correct md5 |
| 15:01.37 | Fuchur | Hello. Is there a list of known bugs in OpenZaurus and where can I submit bugreports? |
| 15:01.51 | xfze | i'm gonna try a reflash now |
| 15:02.42 | Fuchur | xfze: I had problems to download big files from openzaurus.org, too. |
| 15:02.57 | hrw | Fuchur: oz release notes, bugs.openembedded.org, opie bugtracker |
| 15:03.00 | xfze | fuchur, http://bugs.openembedded.org/ |
| 15:03.31 | hrw | Fuchur: it depends what bug - if opie one then go to opie bugtracker, if distro one then oe bugtracker. if gpe then hh.org bugzilla etc |
| 15:03.31 | Fuchur | Thanks |
| 15:04.15 | xfze | is it "healthy" to format before the update? |
| 15:04.27 | xfze | or it's better just to update? |
| 15:05.41 | xfze | what more get's deleted that it is not on update? |
| 15:06.37 | Fuchur | hrw: Hmm, that's difficult. I don't know if it's the kernel or Opie. My memory is displayed incorrectly. I have 16 MB Flash + 64 MB RAM (32 Mem. + 32 Storage) and it displays only 16 MB Flash + (32 Memory + 16 Storage) |
| 15:07.43 | hrw | Fuchur: collie with 32/32 kernel? |
| 15:07.51 | Fuchur | hrw: Yes |
| 15:08.12 | hrw | Fuchur: what does "df -h" in terminal say? |
| 15:09.28 | Fuchur | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.58 | RockClimber | some libraries seem to install to /mnt/card/usr/lib and some to /opt/Qtopia/lib, I'm having trouble with some apps not seeing all the libraries they need - is there a library path variable? |
| 15:10.12 | hrw | Fuchur: so all is ok |
| 15:10.54 | hrw | Fuchur: / is flash /mnt/ram/ is ramdisk /var/ is tmpfs which use up to half of ram for temporary data |
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| 15:12.20 | xfze | hrw, does the / flash gets erased on update? |
| 15:12.22 | Fuchur | hrw: I'm understanding / and /mnt/ram/, but why doesn't /var/ show 32 MB with 16 MB used? |
| 15:12.49 | hrw | xfze: yes |
| 15:12.58 | xfze | thk u |
| 15:13.16 | hrw | Fuchur: /var/ is configured to take up to half ram - so 16 on your collie |
| 15:13.32 | xfze | booting 3.5.2 fingers crossed :D |
| 15:13.54 | hrw | btw - newer opie doesnt show /var/ in settings/system info/storage |
| 15:14.15 | xfze | opie in 5... |
| 15:14.33 | xfze | it worked =))))))))))))))) |
| 15:14.47 | Fuchur | hrw: But where is the remaining RAM? 32 MB + 16 MB is 48 MB and not 64 ... *confused* |
| 15:14.49 | hrw | xfze: ;) |
| 15:15.08 | hrw | Fuchur: 32/32 kernel == 32MB of RAM for storage, 32MB for RAM |
| 15:15.14 | xfze | so simple and it didn't ocurred me... download corruption |
| 15:15.18 | hrw | so 16 = half of 32MB RAM |
| 15:15.19 | Fuchur | hrw: thats clear |
| 15:15.59 | hrw | Fuchur: and? |
| 15:16.46 | Fuchur | hrw: But when I have a harddisk with normal desktop linux and it is 32 MB in size and I put 16 MB on it, then "df" reports 32 MB with 16 MB free. Why does the Zaurus show only 16 MB with 16 MB free? |
| 15:17.34 | Fuchur | Perhaps I should inform me about what tmpfs does, first ... |
| 15:17.48 | Fuchur | Perhaps that makes it clear to me ... |
| 15:18.46 | hrw | tmpfs is filesystem which use memory for temporary data - think about ramdisk in amigaos (if you used Amiga) |
| 15:18.59 | hrw | it can use only defined amount or ram |
| 15:19.08 | Fuchur | hrw: I *use* an Amiga :-) ... |
| 15:19.57 | hrw | Fuchur: so tmpfs is RAM: and /mnt/ram/ is RAD: |
| 15:20.00 | Fuchur | hrw: OK, tmpfs uses 16 MB from the Storage-RAM, right? |
| 15:20.10 | hrw | Fuchur: no - from memory-ram |
| 15:20.31 | Fuchur | hrw: Ah, OK. |
| 15:23.07 | Fuchur | hrw: I understand. And the 16 MB Flash are shown nowhere? |
| 15:23.31 | hrw | Fuchur: its / |
| 15:24.35 | xfze | i had some trouble with package manager on opie 1.16 |
| 15:24.49 | xfze | i hope now with 1.17 it's ok |
| 15:25.02 | xfze | or else i will start using ipkg on the console |
| 15:25.16 | xfze | (the package manager kept freezing my Z) |
| 15:25.37 | hrw | xfze: add "upgrades" feed into config and install newer opie-packagemanager |
| 15:26.11 | xfze | it's already there |
| 15:26.21 | xfze | it came with 3.5.2 =) |
| 15:26.30 | xfze | on 3.5.1 i defined the src |
| 15:26.39 | hrw | aha |
| 15:26.49 | hrw | I never used 3.5.2 |
| 15:26.52 | xfze | now there's the upgrades base libs console and opie already there =) |
| 15:27.21 | hrw | add "devel" |
| 15:27.28 | xfze | hrw, is it ok to add /home to destinations? |
| 15:27.32 | hrw | yep |
| 15:27.42 | xfze | hrw, yah devel is missing thks |
| 15:28.21 | xfze | and more... x11...unknown..e...etc |
| 15:28.33 | xfze | i'll add as i need |
| 15:33.34 | xfze | . /home is ramdisk you said, but it doesn't get erased on reboot, does it? |
| 15:34.43 | xfze | in ram is only /var right? |
| 15:34.59 | hrw | on non collie /home is second flash partition and is not erased during reflash |
| 15:35.44 | xfze | yeah, i just asked because of apps |
| 15:36.12 | xfze | the / and /home are fash all i need =) |
| 15:37.27 | xfze | i'm quite happy now, the qpdf2 now doesn't need an extra parameter just to not seg fault on start =)) |
| 15:37.42 | xfze | it seems to me it's all on wheels =) |
| 15:38.37 | hrw | after 3.5.3 I will keep toolchain to get updates easier to add and faster |
| 15:39.30 | xfze | opie-reader reads chm? |
| 15:42.10 | xfze | yesterday (still with 1.16) i saw some chm.so on a reader/plugins dir |
| 15:42.23 | hrw | I didnt tested |
| 15:43.14 | xfze | if not i might as well try to compile konqueror/embedded porting the ms-its plugin the non-embedded version has |
| 15:43.32 | xfze | it shouldn't be very complicated |
| 15:43.43 | hrw | dont know |
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| 15:44.47 | xfze | by the way anyone here uses djview-qtopia? |
| 15:45.01 | xfze | i can't compile it on my host =( |
| 15:45.11 | hrw | xfze: do we have it in feed? |
| 15:45.27 | xfze | i've tried to configure the sdk and qt embedded in inumerous ways |
| 15:45.51 | hrw | basically we use OpenEmbedded to build OZ |
| 15:45.52 | xfze | but something is missing in order to compile for the Z |
| 15:50.17 | xfze | CHM is working full steam on opie-reader =) |
| 15:52.02 | hrw | great |
| 15:52.17 | hrw | recently I switched to justreader anyway (mostly html) |
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| 15:56.10 | xfze | i didn't like the txt spacing justreader did |
| 15:56.19 | RockClimber | I noticed that xmms (on SD) was not loading libraries on start as it couldn't find them. some are in /mnt/card/usr/lib/xmms, some in /opt/Qtopia/lib is there a library path variable? |
| 15:59.32 | Fuchur | hrw: Ah, now I understand. tmpfs is dynamic and uses the RAM only when it's needed. |
| 15:59.45 | Fuchur | hrw: Thank you for your help. |
| 16:00.47 | hrw | ;) |
| 16:02.46 | xfze | maybe this should be reported: when installing an opie security plugin it's necessary to delete the corresponding png in /opt/QtPalmtop/pics/security or else the ipkg will fail |
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| 16:03.29 | xfze | for instance i just installed pin plugin and i had to remove /opt/QtPalmtop/pics/security/pinplugin.png |
| 16:03.34 | hrw | xfze: fixed in newer packages |
| 16:03.50 | xfze | cause it was saying that it was already there..failed |
| 16:03.56 | xfze | hrw, oh good =) |
| 16:04.06 | xfze | >1.17 ? |
| 16:04.15 | xfze | i'll wait then :) |
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| 16:24.39 | xfze | the packages i install in /home |
| 16:24.49 | xfze | get linking errors during install |
| 16:25.04 | xfze | and when i try to start them segsegv |
| 16:25.10 | xfze | *sigsegv |
| 16:27.03 | xfze | hrw, after all is not so ok to use /home =\ |
| 16:35.09 | xfze | don't i need to do anything in order to install apps on /home ? |
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| 16:54.19 | RockClimber | I'm having a lot more trouble replacing libqte2 this time than I did the first time I used 3.5.2 |
| 16:54.47 | RockClimber | I couldn't get it to overwrite so I ended up removing it, now I can't force ipkg to add it again |
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| 17:19.49 | RockClimber | URGENT - where do you buy a new stylus in the UK |
| 17:22.07 | xfze | strange thing: i created dest ram /tmp |
| 17:22.19 | xfze | and installed opie-kpacman on it |
| 17:22.50 | xfze | it doesn't appear on the package manager as being installed, although it is and working |
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| 17:30.10 | xfze | i think i know what the prob is |
| 17:30.58 | xfze | in dest ramdisk /home there is a linking error |
| 17:31.13 | xfze | while in /tmp installs there isn't |
| 17:31.35 | xfze | it seems it tries to link to //opt/QtPalmtop/... |
| 17:31.45 | xfze | how do i remove the // ? |
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| 17:54.55 | xfze | i managed to install it but i did the links manually |
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| 17:57.51 | xfze | i suspect it does the link [root][dir] |
| 17:58.04 | xfze | if dir is already with a begining / |
| 17:58.16 | xfze | it results in //opt/... |
| 17:58.41 | lardman | why are you trying to install to /tmp? |
| 18:00.02 | lardman | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:00.14 | lardman | which can probably vanish at will |
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| 18:19.04 | xfze | lardman, yeah i know it was just to see if it worked since on /home was giving me erros |
| 18:19.07 | xfze | *errors |
| 18:19.31 | xfze | i deleted everything in /tmp already |
| 18:23.17 | xfze | the "Error linkling" is quite stupid =\ |
| 18:23.47 | xfze | every app i install on /home i'll have to set up the links in /opt/QtPalmtop manually |
| 18:23.57 | xfze | well, at least it works, lol |
| 18:24.12 | lardman | what's the problem with /home? |
| 18:24.48 | lardman | I presume you're using the new ipkg-link |
| 18:28.07 | xfze | i'm using the GUI package manager |
| 18:28.25 | xfze | the problem seems to be that it doesn't create the dirs |
| 18:28.37 | xfze | i was right now installing knights |
| 18:29.31 | lardman | if you're using the normal ipkg-link it won't produce symlinks for unusual mount points (like /home)? |
| 18:29.35 | xfze | and i could see that lone files (ie. /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/knights) are linked ok, but files wich need a dir to be created |
| 18:29.39 | lardman | hmm, that wasn't a question |
| 18:29.48 | xfze | like a /pics/ dir |
| 18:30.01 | lardman | oh |
| 18:30.22 | xfze | i'm installing files to /home |
| 18:30.34 | xfze | but those files need to have a link in / |
| 18:30.38 | lardman | is this a recent build of OZ? |
| 18:30.42 | xfze | 3.5.2 |
| 18:30.48 | lardman | no updates? |
| 18:30.55 | xfze | all updated |
| 18:31.04 | lardman | you've added /home as a dest to /etc/ipkg.conf? |
| 18:31.12 | xfze | (from the 3.5.2 feed that is) |
| 18:31.16 | lardman | by updates I meant directly from OE |
| 18:31.16 | xfze | yes i did |
| 18:31.33 | xfze | i have a "dest ramdisk /home" |
| 18:31.42 | lardman | if you try 'ipkg-link mount /home' from the command line, it won't work |
| 18:31.53 | xfze | yes i realised that already :D |
| 18:32.03 | lardman | you need the new version of ipkg-link |
| 18:32.07 | xfze | it says package not found |
| 18:32.18 | xfze | where can i find it? |
| 18:32.20 | lardman | yes, 'cos the dests were hard-coded |
| 18:32.27 | lardman | hang on a tick, I'll get a link |
| 18:33.05 | xfze | so by updating ipkg-link the links will no be correctly created? no more need for manual links? thats excellent :D |
| 18:33.12 | lardman | yes |
| 18:33.13 | lardman | http://dev.worldguard.com.au/ipkg-link |
| 18:33.22 | lardman | this should have been added to OE now |
| 18:33.26 | xfze | thk u |
| 18:33.30 | lardman | or something similar anyway |
| 18:33.32 | lardman | np |
| 18:34.09 | hrw | lardman: not to OE but submitted into hh.org bugzilla rather |
| 18:34.18 | lardman | ah, okay |
| 18:34.41 | hrw | lardman: that version parse ipkg config? |
| 18:34.58 | lardman | hrw: yes, it parses dests from ipkg.conf |
| 18:35.16 | hrw | ipkg can have config files also in /etc/ipkg/* |
| 18:35.18 | lardman | not my work, I just suggested it: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=6420&hl=ipkg-link |
| 18:35.33 | lardman | with dests in there too? |
| 18:35.51 | hrw | lardman: with any info |
| 18:36.07 | lardman | ok, well it's a limited fix then |
| 18:36.21 | hrw | anyway its better then original |
| 18:36.40 | hrw | opie-packagemanager have this functionality build-in anyway |
| 18:36.43 | lardman | shell scripts aren't my forte, I'm sure someone could modify it to look in /etc/ipkg/ too |
| 18:36.59 | lardman | opie-packagemanager - cool |
| 18:37.08 | lardman | shame people are very anti it atm |
| 18:37.44 | hrw | its mem leaking |
| 18:37.45 | lardman | will packagemanager also display info about the ipks? If not is this the kind of thing I should suggest on the bugtracker? |
| 18:37.55 | lardman | info from Packages |
| 18:38.04 | hrw | it does it |
| 18:38.07 | lardman | cool |
| 18:38.09 | hrw | hold on package |
| 18:38.38 | xfze | i was just finishing manual links for knights |
| 18:38.45 | xfze | it didn't work |
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| 18:38.54 | lardman | xfze: ipkg-link? |
| 18:39.05 | xfze | could this be anything to do with the whole pics dir being linked? |
| 18:39.16 | xfze | lardman, i didn't used it yet |
| 18:39.29 | xfze | i was just finishing up knights before i try it |
| 18:39.40 | lardman | xfze: it works, saves lots of time :) |
| 18:42.23 | xfze | off to 'wget -O /usr/bin/ipkg-link http://dev.worldguard.com.au/ipkg-link' then =) |
| 18:43.56 | xfze | a chmod 777 needed... |
| 18:44.32 | lardman | Getting late, I'm off, bye all |
| 18:44.35 | xfze | output from list command is correct |
| 18:44.49 | lardman | xfze: good to hear :) |
| 18:44.51 | xfze | bye, and thks for the help =) |
| 18:44.58 | lardman | np |
| 18:45.08 | xfze | now i do mount /home |
| 18:45.11 | xfze | right? |
| 18:45.35 | xfze | it worked =))) |
| 18:45.47 | xfze | knights and all the others linked and working |
| 18:46.09 | xfze | thks again lardman you saved me some time =) |
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| 19:05.40 | xfze | opie-mediaplayer2 is kind of screwed up |
| 19:05.43 | xfze | lol |
| 19:05.54 | xfze | it plays my mp3 as if it was frying eggs |
| 19:05.55 | xfze | lol |
| 19:06.08 | xfze | where xmms plays them ok |
| 19:06.20 | xfze | baah, sticking to xmms |
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| 19:34.25 | [cc]smart | is there a new version of OZ in the queue ? |
| 19:34.53 | [cc]smart | just saw updates of nachine and distro configs |
| 20:01.39 | jfm1 | I'm running 3.5.2, the gpe initrd, on a poodle, and I can't get the calendar to work. When I try to save an appointment, it fails, sometimes logging me out. I can't find this bug in the bugtracker or in the release notes. I am also somewhat dim. Am I missing something? |
| 20:11.29 | xfze | just in case check the gpe.img md5 |
| 20:11.41 | xfze | i had problems with my imgs |
| 20:12.15 | xfze | but in my case i didn't get to work with gpe |
| 20:12.15 | xfze | it stuck on its loading |
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| 21:18.35 | xfze2 | testing gpe-gaim... |
| 21:18.46 | xfze | =) irc on gaim works |
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| 21:22.49 | xfze | i only get irc to work on gaim |
| 21:23.00 | xfze | no msn or jabber or icq |
| 21:25.09 | xfze | perhaps i need to install aditional protocols ipk's (like there was on 3.5.1) |
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| 22:04.01 | xfze | who uses a web browser on Z ? |
| 22:04.33 | xfze | konqueror-embedded was stucking in pages like google =\ |
| 22:05.49 | saturn | I would also like to know recommendations for web browser |
| 22:06.38 | saturn | Is minimo good compared to opera, netfront or konq? |
| 22:10.36 | xfze | i didn't knew minimo |
| 22:10.46 | xfze | in mozillas site:Currently minimo takes up about 25 mb of RSS |
| 22:10.47 | xfze | ? |
| 22:11.29 | xfze | and where's a feed with opera for OZ ? |
| 22:13.19 | xfze | saturn, there's also firefox in 3.5.2/feed/x11 |
| 22:13.25 | saturn | I tried opera and netfront in the cacko rom, I don't know where to find them. They are closed and cost $$ |
| 22:13.32 | xfze | but its 7,9MB |
| 22:14.15 | saturn | hmm, is firefox == minimo? |
| 22:15.07 | xfze | i dunno |
| 22:15.23 | saturn | because I found it on some qpe rom I tried |
| 22:16.11 | xfze | http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org/details.phtml?package=minimo&official=&format= |
| 22:16.19 | xfze | minimo has a ipk 4,8MB |
| 22:16.29 | xfze | i gues they are diferent |
| 22:16.58 | xfze | firefox ipk must be a hack from the "desktop version" |
| 22:17.15 | xfze | minimo is meant for pda |
| 22:17.21 | saturn | yep |
| 22:17.44 | xfze | Depends: |
| 22:17.44 | xfze | libgtk2.0-0, libxt |
| 22:17.46 | saturn | I am running debian on my zaurus, with the cacko kernel |
| 22:17.56 | xfze | low depends thats good |
| 22:18.09 | saturn | so I am now trying to crosscompile minimo and making a .dpkg |
| 22:18.21 | saturn | yep, low depends are good |
| 22:20.52 | xfze | i'll try this familiar ipk, i think it should work |
| 22:21.07 | saturn | wire.hn.org/mozconfig.txt <- here you see what is included |
| 22:21.24 | saturn | it is the configure options to build minimo |
| 22:29.34 | xfze | i don't have libgtk2 |
| 22:29.40 | xfze | i'll try firefox |
| 22:33.43 | xfze | thousands of dependecies =\ |
| 22:33.46 | xfze | failed |
| 22:34.43 | xfze | does anyone have djview compiled? |
| 22:34.53 | xfze | an ipk would be great =) |
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| 22:43.58 | xfze | there's also ubrowser |
| 22:44.15 | xfze | seems to be a light web browser |
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| 22:53.01 | saturn | looking at ubrowsers homepage: * GIF images dont always work * forms do not work * ssl does not work. But thanks for the tip |
| 23:01.44 | xfze | lol |
| 23:02.26 | hrw | ubrowser is unsupported and removed |
| 23:02.37 | xfze | yeah |
| 23:03.06 | hrw | xfze: about djview - give more info about it to openembedded@hrw.one.pl - homepage, description etc.. so maybe I will try to look at it |
| 23:04.20 | xfze | hrw, would you ? :D |
| 23:04.34 | xfze | great i would be very thankful |
| 23:04.36 | xfze | http://www.vaagmaer.com/djview/index.html |
| 23:04.42 | hrw | xfze: mail |
| 23:05.01 | xfze | it's opensource but for a compiled ipk he asks for donation |
| 23:05.14 | xfze | hrw, my mail? |
| 23:05.24 | xfze | forget |
| 23:05.25 | xfze | lol |
| 23:05.27 | xfze | yeah i mail |
| 23:05.59 | hrw | ok |
| 23:07.01 | xfze | the source tarball comes with everything to compile right for zaurus even with some scripts to configure the makefiles, but i do not have my compilement enviroment correctly set for arm/qt |
| 23:08.26 | hrw | k |
| 23:09.04 | xfze | in a while i'll mail you |
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