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| 04:56.53 | *** topic/#openzaurus is OpenZaurus user discussion/support channel | developer discussion in #oe | http://openzaurus.org/ | Don't ask to ask, just ask. | OZ 3.5.2 -> http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.2/ | Report OZ bugs at http://bugs.openembedded.org/ l/p: guest/guest |
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| 05:17.59 | *** topic/#openzaurus is OpenZaurus user discussion/support channel | developer discussion in #oe | http://openzaurus.org/ | Don't ask to ask, just ask. | OZ 3.5.2 -> http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.2/ | Report OZ bugs at http://bugs.openembedded.org/ l/p: guest/guest |
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| 09:27.24 | RockClimber | The zaurus document project is beginning to pick up now. I have 5 volunteers so far. |
| 09:27.45 | XorA | RockClimber: cool |
| 09:30.14 | caffinated | is there an easy way to remap some of the keys in OZ (sl-5500) so i can put in things like pgup/pgdn and the pipe? |
| 09:30.50 | caffinated | i don't know what they were thinking .. making a linux PDA and not including the pipe in the keyboard |
| 09:31.53 | RockClimber | clearly Fn+Z was made for this |
| 09:32.02 | RockClimber | It's the only key not mapped with a Fn |
| 09:32.33 | XorA | isnt Fn space pipe? |
| 09:32.40 | caffinated | it's not at all labeled |
| 09:32.42 | hrw|work | RockClimber: in console it was Fn+space |
| 09:32.51 | hrw|work | atleaast on collie |
| 09:33.13 | RockClimber | doesn't work on my 5500 |
| 09:33.35 | caffinated | nor on mine |
| 09:34.12 | hrw|work | under qt/e it doesnt work |
| 09:34.28 | caffinated | there must be a way to modify the keymaps |
| 09:34.46 | XorA | hrw|work: does it work with the kernel keymappatches? |
| 09:34.53 | XorA | opie-kbdapplet |
| 09:36.14 | RockClimber | is that in the OZ 3.5.2 feed? |
| 09:36.35 | caffinated | i don't see it |
| 09:36.40 | caffinated | probably in 3.5.1 |
| 09:37.30 | RockClimber | i have the oe source on my machine and I notice a few packages that aren't in the feed, like gnuplot |
| 09:37.44 | RockClimber | are these broken, and waiting for someone to fix? |
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| 09:40.56 | XorA | RockClimber: I think that normally means they didnt build on day of release or they arenot in meta-opie meta-gpepackages |
| 09:41.58 | XorA | caffinated: sorry wrong name http://www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.2/feed/opie/opie-zkbapplet_1.1.7-r0_arm.ipk |
| 09:42.10 | RockClimber | I have to get my linux box upgraded to FC3 and then once everything is working again I'll get the OE sources set up. |
| 09:42.11 | caffinated | ah, ok. thanks, i'll have a peek :) |
| 09:42.30 | XorA | caffinated: it takes some xml files you can edit for keymap |
| 09:42.35 | RockClimber | There are minor problems in a lot of packages (mainly due to conf file locations) which I could fix |
| 09:43.04 | caffinated | easy enough. |
| 09:43.28 | caffinated | RockClimber: i've hit a few of those |
| 09:43.39 | caffinated | hard to weed them out |
| 09:43.43 | RockClimber | caffinated, which packages? |
| 09:44.00 | caffinated | can't remember right offhand - i seem to remember having some issues with lirc though |
| 09:44.36 | RockClimber | I had to add a /home/qtopia for PocketCellar |
| 09:45.34 | RockClimber | There's also a few GPL packages for old OZ/Sharp that I'd like to get working |
| 09:45.44 | caffinated | i've had similar issues with other ipks not in the OZ feeds too |
| 09:47.02 | RockClimber | Does Opie have a variable/environmental/what_ever for the currency sign of choice for the user? |
| 09:47.23 | RockClimber | Some apps use $ and it would be nice if they could chose £/$/Euro |
| 09:48.28 | caffinated | hm, you'd think there would be a locale setting; doesn't set it with the timezone? |
| 09:51.53 | hrw|work | caffinated: opera 7.55 is nighmare.. |
| 09:52.34 | caffinated | hrw|work: duno, i got it running. |
| 09:52.47 | caffinated | it was mostly broken path issues |
| 09:52.56 | RockClimber | I would have thought that the lib incompat would have caused a lot of crashes during rendering |
| 09:53.20 | caffinated | i use oz_compat with it |
| 09:53.37 | caffinated | it does tend to choke out on large pages |
| 09:54.05 | caffinated | however, there aren't a whole lot of options where browsers are concerned |
| 09:54.33 | caffinated | opera might have some drawbacks, but others, like say, konqueror, are horrid |
| 09:55.24 | caffinated | just plain silly. not to mention, the rendering engine is just plain garbage. |
| 09:56.33 | caffinated | i wanted to go with GPE (so i could try minimo), but there are so many unresolved issues with that. |
| 09:56.54 | caffinated | like the suspend bug. they say they've fixed it, but it's not very fixed on my SL-5500. |
| 09:57.09 | caffinated | i also had big problems getting wlan to kick over |
| 09:58.12 | XorA | caffinated: I thought suspend bug was PXA only |
| 09:58.20 | XorA | caffinated: or is there different one on Collie |
| 09:58.36 | hrw|work | ARGHH!! I want to kill someone (from my work prefered) |
| 09:58.47 | caffinated | XorA: i duno. if i suspend in GPE, i can't unsuspend, or even boot without a reset |
| 09:59.05 | XorA | caffinated: does it work if you log in asroot? |
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| 09:59.42 | caffinated | to be honest, i'm not sure. one of the reasons i liked GPE is it doesn't make you run as root |
| 09:59.56 | caffinated | i was probably a regular user |
| 10:00.09 | XorA | caffinated: hmmm, well there was a fix checked in after 3.5.2 for PXA z's |
| 10:00.44 | caffinated | perhaps i'll try it some time .. at the moment though i'd rather not reflash again ; |
| 10:00.58 | XorA | caffinated: well unless you building OE no point until 3.5.3 |
| 10:01.12 | caffinated | any ETA/Roadmap on that? |
| 10:01.45 | caffinated | GPE sure is a lot more aestheticly pleasing |
| 10:01.52 | XorA | caffinated: last I heard mid march, but I have nothing to do with releases |
| 10:02.02 | caffinated | ok, no trouble :) |
| 10:08.44 | XorA | ls |
| 10:10.30 | caffinated | well, bedtime for me - thanks for your help guys |
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| 11:57.10 | _law_ | XorA, what stuff do i need do setup xqt? is there a howto anywhere? |
| 12:00.54 | XorA | _law_: what from OE or from the website> |
| 12:00.56 | XorA | ? |
| 12:01.37 | _law_ | XorA, what packages |
| 12:02.04 | XorA | _law_: from website you are on your own, from OE just Xqt |
| 12:02.11 | XorA | ipkg will pull in whats needed |
| 12:03.08 | _law_ | bitbake xqt? |
| 12:03.19 | XorA | _law_: yup |
| 12:04.18 | XorA | _law_: as long as you have 2.4 kernel should work out of box except for keyboard issue |
| 12:12.21 | _law_ | XorA, if the ipkgs are ready i only have do install it on my sd? |
| 12:12.40 | _law_ | how do i start the xserver? |
| 12:12.40 | XorA | _law_: yes, you will then find an Xqt icon |
| 12:12.49 | _law_ | ok |
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| 15:43.04 | borgy | i added my /home/ to the ipkg.conf ... but i get link error with the package manager ... anything i must change ? |
| 15:47.25 | borgy | is this problem only with the package manager? |
| 15:47.57 | borgy | how must i use the ipkg and ipkg-link in the shell? |
| 15:48.17 | borgy | ipkg install mplayer -d home |
| 15:48.56 | borgy | ipkg-link add mplayer ... did not find 'mplayer' :( |
| 15:49.17 | kergoth | ipkg-link hardcodes the available destinations. |
| 15:49.18 | kergoth | its crappy |
| 15:49.30 | kergoth | there are alternative versions done by some users, if you look around a bit online |
| 15:50.35 | borgy | ok i search in the oesf forum ... |
| 15:56.48 | borgy | how can i look at the system load? (cpu) |
| 15:57.07 | borgy | ... in the shell ... |
| 15:57.10 | kergoth | the uptime command. |
| 15:57.18 | hrw|work | top command |
| 15:57.38 | borgy | top ... THX |
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| 17:44.34 | digitalwulf | Finally, I have a working GPC (gnu pascal) working on my SL-5500:) Now I can do some pascal programming on my Z:) |
| 18:02.29 | W8TVI | digitalwulf: show off |
| 18:13.34 | caffinated | digitalwulf: oh come on, we all know the REAL measure of a man is getting logo on his Z ;) |
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| 18:14.19 | digitalwulf | it's necessary GCC be installed. |
| 18:14.25 | digitalwulf | you need debian GPC.deb package |
| 18:14.31 | digitalwulf | use dpkg-deb to decompress it to a directory. |
| 18:14.35 | digitalwulf | and configure files to work fine with each other. |
| 18:15.36 | caffinated | you should write a faq for it for openzaurus.org - it's lacking a lot of documentation. |
| 18:16.10 | caffinated | it would be nice to know how to properly set up GCC on it |
| 18:16.31 | digitalwulf | there is a website that explains it.. |
| 18:16.55 | digitalwulf | http://s91215199.onlinehome.us/zaurus/zgcc2install.html |
| 18:17.01 | digitalwulf | http://s91215199.onlinehome.us/zaurus/ |
| 18:17.06 | digitalwulf | :) |
| 18:18.50 | digitalwulf | go here and download the ARM editon of GPC: http://packages.debian.org/stable/devel/gpc-2.95 |
| 18:20.04 | digitalwulf | you can also crosscompile freepascal, according to them freepascal work on zaurus. |
| 18:20.21 | digitalwulf | it needs only to be recompiled. |
| 18:21.40 | digitalwulf | my next step could be install fortran on zaurus:) |
| 18:22.16 | caffinated | no man, do openoffice$#!$#!@?! |
| 18:22.33 | digitalwulf | what I would love to have was firebird for zaurus... hehe |
| 18:22.50 | caffinated | oh, you mean firefox? |
| 18:22.56 | digitalwulf | no |
| 18:23.02 | digitalwulf | firebird is a database. |
| 18:23.05 | caffinated | oh, ok |
| 18:23.31 | digitalwulf | I use VNC server and client to do this geek stuff. |
| 18:24.14 | digitalwulf | you can plug your cradle and configure TCP/IP on your Z and the Z is considered a computer in the network:=) |
| 18:24.17 | caffinated | i got my sl-5500 for pretty much the same reason as what you're doing now; i wanted something that allowed me to prototype quick functions in php. |
| 18:24.39 | caffinated | unfortunatly, i find it's really too annoying to program on (because of the keybaord) |
| 18:24.49 | digitalwulf | use VNC!!! |
| 18:24.54 | caffinated | i have VNC |
| 18:25.15 | digitalwulf | and??? you can use your desktop keyboard then! |
| 18:25.18 | caffinated | but the idea was to have something *portable* |
| 18:25.36 | caffinated | if i'm at home, i don't need my Z to prototype stuff |
| 18:25.37 | digitalwulf | buy a keyboard for it:) |
| 18:25.53 | digitalwulf | there are little keyboards for zaurus. |
| 18:26.01 | digitalwulf | that use IR |
| 18:26.01 | caffinated | i still love it for other reasons, but it's a lousy workstation replacement |
| 18:26.37 | caffinated | yes, i've seen those |
| 18:27.25 | caffinated | more than that, the battery life on the sl-5500 is really weak |
| 18:27.54 | digitalwulf | I can use for some hours:) |
| 18:28.12 | caffinated | plug a wifi card in to it and see what happens ;) |
| 18:30.11 | caffinated | anyhow, a modern laptop can go for between 4 - 6 hours with wifi enabled |
| 18:30.28 | digitalwulf | oh |
| 18:30.31 | caffinated | depending on model and battery of course |
| 18:30.50 | caffinated | i think that's eventually what i'm going for. much faster too. |
| 18:31.13 | caffinated | don't get me wrong though, the Z is pretty sweet as far as PDAs go. |
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| 18:37.48 | _law_ | how can i build libstdc++6 ipkg? |
| 18:38.45 | caffinated | _law_: when i went looking for that, i stole it from the familiar distro |
| 18:38.52 | caffinated | seems to work ok |
| 18:39.35 | caffinated | http://handhelds.org/distributions/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/libstdc++6_3.4.3-r5_arm.ipk |
| 18:39.35 | _law_ | caffinated, and how can i build it with bitbake? |
| 18:39.47 | kergoth | it comes out of the crosscompiler bulid |
| 18:39.50 | kergoth | gcc-cross |
| 18:39.56 | kergoth | any oe build will get you that |
| 18:40.03 | kergoth | just bitbake virtual/arm-linux-gcc or whatever |
| 18:40.40 | kergoth | (really, either the target gcc or the crosscompiler could emit the ipk.. we chose gcc-cross, since we dont always build gcc to run on the device) |
| 18:45.51 | _law_ | i will try the familiar version |
| 18:46.01 | kergoth | its in the oz devel feed. |
| 18:46.10 | kergoth | which someone asks about, and gets answered, like once a day on the mailing list. |
| 18:46.15 | kergoth | i'd really recommend reading the archives |
| 18:46.50 | _law_ | kergoth, by i need a newer version |
| 18:47.00 | _law_ | by = but :-) |
| 18:47.09 | kergoth | ? |
| 18:47.12 | kergoth | newer than what? |
| 18:47.27 | _law_ | that from devel feed |
| 18:47.53 | kergoth | what needs the newer version? |
| 18:48.01 | _law_ | xqt |
| 18:48.08 | kergoth | familiar and oz feeds arent compatible. |
| 18:48.12 | kergoth | oz is soft float |
| 18:48.15 | kergoth | familiar is hard |
| 18:48.22 | kergoth | you can try, but i cant recommend it |
| 18:49.03 | _law_ | okay i will make bitbake virtual/arm-linux-gcc |
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| 19:08.46 | _law_ | bitbake virtual/arm-linux-gcc doesnt make any ipks :-( |
| 19:09.14 | kergoth | then you didnt set it up correctly |
| 19:09.20 | kergoth | you didnt set DISTRO to openzaurus. |
| 19:09.28 | _law_ | yes |
| 19:09.35 | kergoth | openzaurus emits ipks. |
| 19:09.41 | kergoth | in tmp/deploy/ipk/ |
| 19:09.49 | kergoth | if you dont have them, you did something wrong |
| 19:11.00 | _law_ | now it works thanks |
| 19:11.17 | kergoth | np |
| 19:11.33 | _law_ | but why ipkg-link mount /mnt/card/packages with my now rom doesnt work |
| 19:11.42 | kergoth | ipkg-link hardcodes the destinations. |
| 19:11.46 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.59 | kergoth | wont work with anything else |
| 19:12.32 | _law_ | but now packages are unter $CARD/packages/.... |
| 19:12.46 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:12.55 | kergoth | what part of 'ipkg-link hardcodes the destinations' do you not get? |
| 19:14.27 | _law_ | i have got /media/card |
| 19:14.46 | _law_ | /mnt/card is an symlink to /media/card |
| 19:15.30 | kergoth | yes, and? |
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| 21:19.02 | hrw | ~change 43000 yen to pln |
| 21:19.14 | hrw | ~change 43000 jpn to pln |
| 21:19.47 | hrw | ~change 43000 jpy to pln |
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| 21:51.03 | Cwiiis | _law_: Change the destinations from /mnt/<whatever> in ipkg-link to /media/<whatever>/packages - I'll be writing a proper ipkg-link soon, but in the mean time, that'll fix it |
| 21:51.30 | Cwiiis | _law_: I mean change all occurrences, not the destination, sorry |
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| 23:37.13 | Laibsch | Hi, has anyone successfully implemented a dual-boot operation with Sharp ROM as either main or secondary boot option from CF for an SL-5500? |
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