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| 00:37.25 | cshields | greetings! so I followed the opie+gpe instructions at http://www.openzaurus.org/web/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=27&Itemid=44 |
| 00:37.31 | cshields | but gpe doesn't start anywhere.. |
| 00:37.40 | cshields | is there a startup script I need to add it to? |
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| 09:53.44 | RockClimber | Is it possible with the KDE PIM to Sync a Z with both a desktop and a mobile without one conflicting with the other |
| 09:54.50 | XorA | RockClimber: it is with kdepimpi on Z, no idea about opie pim though |
| 09:55.07 | XorA | RockClimber: but Ive never been down that path as I have no KDE |
| 09:55.08 | RockClimber | I'd be using kdepimpi |
| 09:55.44 | RockClimber | Well, I don't use KDE either, but I could probably write a script to turn my calendar/address book into KDE format |
| 09:56.21 | XorA | RockClimber: well Ive had pimpi sync with two different machines |
| 09:56.32 | XorA | RockClimber: I assume a phone is like a 3rd machine |
| 09:56.36 | RockClimber | should be |
| 09:57.07 | RockClimber | So you use KO/Pi and KA/Pi, what do you sync them withon the desktop? |
| 09:57.14 | RockClimber | If you're not using KDE |
| 09:58.18 | XorA | RockClimber: kdepimpi |
| 09:58.48 | XorA | RockClimber: I tried an older version of Kitchensync on SuSe and had no luck |
| 10:00.09 | XorA | RockClimber: Ill stress though, it is something I have done, not something I do regularly |
| 10:00.58 | RockClimber | I thought kdepimpi where just Z apps, I thought the desktop equivalents were kaddressbook and korganiser |
| 10:01.13 | XorA | RockClimber: kdepimpi has windows and X11 qt versions |
| 10:01.57 | RockClimber | is there much difference between the kdepimpi and full blown kde apps then? |
| 10:02.24 | XorA | RockClimber: no idea, never used KDE versions |
| 10:02.33 | XorA | RockClimber: KDE eats machines :-( |
| 10:03.17 | RockClimber | do you have a mail app on your Z |
| 10:03.28 | hrw|work | RockClimber: I use kdepimpi on Z and kde on desktop |
| 10:03.43 | hrw|work | RockClimber: currently not syncing them |
| 10:03.46 | RockClimber | Does KA/Pi work with Opiemail |
| 10:03.53 | hrw|work | RockClimber: no |
| 10:04.21 | RockClimber | And KOM/Pi doesn't build for OZ as it conflicts with Opiemail |
| 10:05.09 | hrw|work | not with opiemail |
| 10:05.20 | hrw|work | but with OE libetpan and OPIE libmailwrapper |
| 10:05.37 | XorA | hrw|work: kdepimpi has hacked libetpan? |
| 10:05.43 | hrw|work | both |
| 10:05.59 | hrw|work | kdepimpi has hacked: kdepim, libetpan, libmailwrapper, opie-mail |
| 10:06.04 | hrw|work | and gammu |
| 10:06.36 | RockClimber | I don't see why they needed to fork gammu->kammu, now they'll be forever porting changes |
| 10:06.52 | XorA | I dont see why etpan needed forked! |
| 10:07.10 | RockClimber | What is etpan? |
| 10:07.19 | XorA | RockClimber: universal mail access library |
| 10:07.32 | XorA | RockClimber: abstracts Maildir/mbox/mh/imap/opo3 |
| 10:07.42 | RockClimber | so if opie-mail isn't installed, kopiemail can be |
| 10:08.02 | hrw|work | RockClimber: kopiemail cannot be build |
| 10:08.19 | RockClimber | even if opie mail isn't built |
| 10:09.26 | hrw|work | opie apps have higher priority in OE |
| 10:10.11 | RockClimber | couldn't the kdepim.bb build the hacked libs into a kdepimlib.ipk that conflicted with libmail and libetpan. |
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| 10:10.27 | hrw|work | they conflict on BUILD time |
| 10:10.27 | XorA | I can see where Zautrix is going, but he is going the wrong way, the features he wants should be added to opie-mail, not forked |
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| 10:11.14 | RockClimber | maybe someone could add KA/Pi support to Opiemail temporarily |
| 10:15.52 | hrw|work | for? |
| 10:16.37 | RockClimber | well otherwise you need two copies of your address book |
| 10:16.56 | RockClimber | one for syncing with desktop and phone, and one for sending e-mails from opiemail |
| 10:19.05 | RockClimber | opiemail also doesn't work if you use the sql backend for opie-addressbook |
| 10:22.34 | hrw|work | report it etc.. |
| 10:24.32 | RockClimber | It was reported last Decemeber, I've not checked it out recently, I'm just suprise the OPIE Pim have priority when a lot of OE developers seem to be using KDE Pim |
| 10:26.49 | hrw|work | opie as whole has a priority |
| 10:27.45 | hrw|work | feel free to take kdepimpi from me and fix it's build method to get its fork of opiemail build in OE |
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| 10:58.58 | RockClimber | hrw|work, sorry I had to go and teach, back now. How will I know if I've got kopiemail to build okay, does it give errors at the moment, or just overwrite some ipkg produced by opiemail? |
| 11:00.27 | hrw|work | RockClimber: currently it fails to build |
| 11:01.11 | RockClimber | okay |
| 11:02.06 | RockClimber | once i build an opie-image (currently my Z is useless as I forced an upgrade of libqte2 and not enough other things, so Opie doesn't work) I'll give it a go |
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| 12:28.10 | kolla | anything moving along in terms of opie? |
| 12:33.47 | XorA | kolla: in what way, opie is always moving along |
| 12:37.23 | hrw|work | someone here tried rboot? |
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| 12:51.20 | XorA | hrw|work: never needed it, with 64Meg flash |
| 12:52.25 | kolla | rboot? |
| 12:52.49 | hrw|work | XorA: I have 14.4M only |
| 12:55.42 | hrw|work | kolla: script to move / to sd |
| 12:56.50 | XorA | hrw|work: You need to attend linux conferences and mug people |
| 12:57.11 | kolla | hrw|work: oh, ok |
| 12:57.35 | kolla | so no progress with unionfs yet? |
| 12:58.46 | hrw|work | kolla: not me |
| 12:59.17 | kolla | I know kergoth was looking at it |
| 13:02.27 | hrw|work | luunch time |
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| 13:58.19 | StarScreem | anyone know if there is going to be another oz release soon? |
| 13:58.50 | hrw|work | 2-4 weeks |
| 13:59.26 | RockClimber | hrw|work, are there specific things that need fixing before the next release? |
| 14:02.05 | hrw|work | dont know exactly |
| 14:02.20 | hrw|work | build current oz with OE and test, test, test |
| 14:04.05 | StarScreem | hrw|work: cool...coz kde 3.4 is coming out with multisync |
| 14:04.16 | StarScreem | which hopefully means i can syc my zaurus with kde |
| 14:04.54 | StarScreem | but OZ 3.5.2 doesn't let me use my mobile phone with it and some other general stuff is slightly broken |
| 14:05.37 | StarScreem | running the Sharp 3.0.1 rom atm but that doesn't sync either |
| 14:07.10 | hrw|work | StarScreem: did you report those bugs or even checked does they were reported? |
| 14:09.53 | RockClimber | When building opie-image how do you specify which RAM split. I thought bitbake opie-image would give me all 7 zImages but I just get 1 and no indication of which it is. |
| 14:10.02 | RockClimber | Build for collie by the way |
| 14:10.35 | hrw|work | RockClimber: build collie-kernel-all |
| 14:12.18 | RockClimber | how about for a n/m split? |
| 14:13.44 | hrw|work | it will build all splits |
| 14:14.23 | RockClimber | I meant, how do I build just a specific split |
| 14:15.16 | hrw|work | collie-kernel-SELECTED_SPLIT |
| 14:15.37 | hrw|work | look into openembedded/packages/linux/colli* and openzaurus-sa_*.bb |
| 14:16.45 | hrw|work | lart |
| 14:16.48 | hrw|work | ~ops |
| 14:16.49 | ibot | somebody said ops was operators. looks for folks in the channel with @ before their names. |
| 14:18.53 | StarScreem | hrw|work: hmm i don't think i did...probably should have done that....though the ir stuff was kinda generic..i.e wouldn't transfer to any phone |
| 14:19.26 | RockClimber | StarScreem, what app |
| 14:19.34 | RockClimber | are you talking about beaming in Opie |
| 14:21.35 | hrw|work | StarScreem: if noone bother with reorting bugs then bugs will stay then users will complain after next release. but they wont report them to be able to complain after each another release |
| 14:33.06 | RockClimber | Bitbaking all those zImages is taking time, anyway to identify what this "zImage-collie-20050303092048.bin" from the name? apart from 2005-03-03 being the date, 092048 isn't the time. |
| 14:33.21 | hrw|work | 092048 is a time |
| 14:33.30 | hrw|work | afaik |
| 14:36.03 | RockClimber | Oh I see, contrary to what someone else told be, bitbake opie-image doesn't make you a zImage file too, you have to do that separately |
| 14:37.14 | RockClimber | so that zImage is left over from something I made this morning |
| 14:41.30 | hrw|work | bulding image BUILd kernel |
| 15:24.34 | RockClimber | I've just flashed an opie image, but I'm having trouble getting usb networking setup. Nothing has changed on the Linux side. Z is set up 192.168.129.201, 255.255.255.255, 192.168.129.1, interface is active. Ping from linux box doesn't find anything |
| 15:25.36 | XorA | hrw|work: It is the time in GMT on my system |
| 15:26.04 | hrw|work | exactly |
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| 15:31.26 | RockClimber | I see mnt/card -> media/card, the same thing is happening in Fedora. Is this a new Linux standard? |
| 15:37.23 | XorA | hrw|work: there is an upgraded working package manager? |
| 15:37.34 | hrw|work | XorA: in upgrades of oz 3.5.2 |
| 15:38.17 | XorA | hrw|work: wierd, I am running out of current OE and it is totally unusable for me |
| 15:39.05 | hrw|work | anyway I use ipkg via ssh |
| 15:50.42 | kolla | RockClimber: yes.. /media is this.. new.. fancy.. fascist filsystem layout stuff |
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| 15:51.04 | kolla | forgotten the name |
| 15:52.01 | kolla | I think it's crap anyways.. I'd rather have a virtual root and mount devices there |
| 15:52.11 | kolla | but vrtual root is "huh?" in *ix world |
| 15:52.51 | XorA | as long as its not d:\ I dont mind where it mounts |
| 15:52.54 | kolla | :) |
| 15:55.15 | kolla | virtual root, or multiple roots |
| 15:56.56 | kolla | ::machine:device/path/file |
| 15:57.53 | RockClimber | I was quite impressed when I plugged my g/f mp3 player into a new FC3 box. Auto mouted and an ipod icon appeared (mp3 player is usb mass storage so Linux compat). Repeated with USB data stick and this time got a small harddrive icon. Very polished |
| 15:57.53 | XorA | kolla: you a vms fan? |
| 15:58.03 | kolla | not really, but almost |
| 15:58.13 | RockClimber | vms ported to the Z |
| 15:58.20 | RockClimber | :-) |
| 15:59.03 | kolla | I do have a couple vms accounts, but rarely use them |
| 16:01.07 | kolla | RockClimber: I dont really see what the big deal is, this is something computers did 20 years ago too |
| 16:01.21 | kolla | back then it was scsi devices |
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| 16:01.38 | kolla | you plug it into your mac, atari or amiga, and voila.. an icon appeared |
| 16:01.57 | RockClimber | well, I guess the hotplug script was matching the icon to something in the device ID string |
| 16:02.20 | RockClimber | I thought it looked nice, which was important as it was my Mum's brand new computer and her first forray into Linux |
| 16:02.47 | kolla | you can partly blame that on udev |
| 16:03.46 | kolla | but I still find it quite amusing that people gets impressed by these things that we took for granted 15-20 years ago |
| 16:04.27 | XorA | kolla: even cooler with the amiga was the file system is on the drive, so you dont need to install it :-) |
| 16:05.06 | kolla | XorA: well, that kicks both ways.. filesystem _could_ be on the drive, but it also could be on some other drive :) |
| 16:06.03 | XorA | kolla: but everyone has got used to the lowest common denominator these days *doze |
| 16:06.11 | kolla | mm :/ |
| 16:06.41 | XorA | my GF's machine tecnds to crash when you plug in mass storage, not display icons, Ive yet to persuade her to linux |
| 16:07.08 | RockClimber | default ipkg.conf has "dest cf /media/cf/packages/" but ipkg-link doesn't seem to find them |
| 16:07.16 | kolla | XorA: I struggled when I installed a new drive in my a1200 last year, it only booted from the new drive when the old was in.. turned out I had forgotten to install _all_ the ffs variants on the new drive, including the one of the boot partition :) |
| 16:07.50 | kolla | had me pussled for a while |
| 16:07.53 | XorA | kolla: gave my amiga away in the end, took up more space than I could afford |
| 16:08.15 | kolla | hehe |
| 16:08.46 | kolla | the cd32 and my a600 will probably stay around, they're tiny enough :) |
| 16:09.00 | XorA | though sold the roctec HD unit for a nice sum |
| 16:09.40 | kolla | my a1200 is in my office at work, running gentoo |
| 16:09.55 | kolla | with a nice 20GB 1.8" drive, it's dead silent :) |
| 16:10.23 | XorA | kolla: :-D |
| 16:10.59 | XorA | kolla: you tried uae on a Z? |
| 16:11.19 | kolla | only fan is in the power supply, and even though it's an old one it is completely silent.. I was lucky with that one |
| 16:12.05 | kolla | yes |
| 16:12.17 | kolla | a few years ago |
| 16:12.23 | hrw|work | RockClimber:ipkg-link is a crap |
| 16:12.29 | kolla | what I'd really love is AROS on the Z :) |
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| 16:12.32 | kolla | native AROS |
| 16:14.30 | XorA | kolla: heh heh, that would be quite cool, how is AROS coming along? |
| 16:18.35 | RockClimber | hrw|work, but it worked on oz 3.5.2 and it doesn't with the current |
| 16:19.15 | kolla | XorA: moving along, allthough slowly.. but there are people working with TCP/IP now, and there's also gcc iirc |
| 16:20.15 | hrw|work | RockClimber: so? |
| 16:20.39 | hrw|work | RockClimber: opie-packagemanager have that functionality build-in (in better way) |
| 16:20.50 | RockClimber | i thought that was broken :-) |
| 16:26.47 | kolla | XorA: there's also an AROS iso one can download these days, either stand-along or hosten on windows... http://www.aros-max.co.uk/ |
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| 16:34.29 | hrw|work | kdepimpi 2.0.14 |
| 16:34.44 | XorA | hrw|work: SLOW DOWN :-D |
| 16:35.36 | hrw|work | say it to zautrix |
| 16:35.39 | RockClimber | 2.0.14, I've just built 2.0.13 |
| 16:35.51 | hrw|work | anyway nothing changed from OZ perspective |
| 16:35.57 | RockClimber | what a fast paced world we live in |
| 16:35.59 | hrw|work | pwm/pi is not packaged |
| 16:39.14 | kolla | what is kdepimpi? |
| 16:39.54 | kolla | sync with kdepim? |
| 16:40.16 | XorA | kdepim ported to Z |
| 16:40.31 | XorA | well ported to QT only (no kde required) |
| 16:41.21 | hrw|work | it have own 'micro'kde 'micro'kdepim libs |
| 16:41.29 | kolla | ok |
| 16:41.31 | hrw|work | own libkcal, libkabc etc |
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| 16:42.56 | blat | are there openzaurus initrds with lots of stuff pre-installed out there? |
| 16:43.11 | blat | or some other way to easily pre-install lots of stuff without having to get each package separately? |
| 16:43.15 | hrw|work | what for? cannot you install what you want? |
| 16:43.31 | blat | well it takes quite a lot of time and i thought someone might have convenialized the process with some bulk packages |
| 16:44.19 | blat | unrelated question, has anyone had success/failure running gpe and opie side by side on different vts |
| 16:47.11 | XorA | blat: I have run it successfully with swapfile |
| 16:47.48 | blat | i don't know this technique... :( |
| 16:48.16 | XorA | blat: reseasrch swapfiles for linux on google, its quite simple |
| 16:48.42 | XorA | blat: All I did was start with opie image, then install task-gpe-base (or something similar to that) using ipkg |
| 16:48.53 | XorA | but memory was short so I used a swapfile |
| 16:49.26 | blat | ah |
| 16:49.50 | blat | may you also use a x-0 zImage? (no storage, all ram) |
| 16:50.30 | XorA | blat I have C860 with 64Meg ram, but when running firefox thats 30ish meg, and opie is 30ish meg |
| 16:50.45 | blat | of course swap file on sd/cf i think is ill advised, because of the much lower durability of memory retention that i hear, compared to internal ram of the zaurus |
| 16:51.25 | blat | and if u have swap file on the internal ram storage partition, maybe reflash with full ram :) |
| 16:51.26 | XorA | blat: By the time your SD is worn out, the one 4 times the size will be half the rpice |
| 16:51.37 | blat | fair enough, just backup sensitive data then :) |
| 16:52.03 | blat | of course moores law is about to hit a brick wall, in the physical meaning of the sense :) |
| 16:52.08 | blat | or whatever Planck meant... |
| 16:52.35 | XorA | blat: flash isnt goverened by that though :-) and with NRAM coming on the market a whole new series is about to start |
| 16:53.23 | blat | a scalable flash, as you say 4 times the size and half the price, is indeed governed by that. by the time you have 10 gig flashes, you will have enough electron leackage to make it wholly unstable |
| 16:53.39 | blat | a different form factor might solve the problem, but of course it will be incompatible with the current zaurus! :) |
| 16:54.00 | XorA | anyway time to scoot |
| 16:55.45 | blat | are there openzaurus initrds with lots of stuff pre-installed out there? or some other way to easily pre-install lots of stuff without having to get each package separately? it takes quite a lot of time to install each pkg separately, and i thought someone might have convenialized the process with some bulk packages |
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| 18:19.19 | kolla | blat: preinstallet SD cards? :) |
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| 18:25.24 | DirtyD | Hello |
| 18:25.50 | DirtyD | What tools do i need to create Java applications for Jeode? |
| 19:11.35 | zedkatuf | ANyone used Xqt under OZ3.5.2? |
| 19:11.47 | zedkatuf | I'm having probs running applications (gimp etc) |
| 19:12.07 | kolla | Xqt? X server for qt? |
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| 19:12.27 | zedkatuf | kolla: AFAIK yes |
| 19:12.52 | zedkatuf | http://xqt.sourceforge.jp |
| 19:13.04 | zedkatuf | I can start it up ok |
| 19:13.15 | zedkatuf | but typing gimp gives error msg: |
| 19:13.28 | zedkatuf | #!/bin/sh |
| 19:13.28 | zedkatuf | export DISPLAY=localhost:0 |
| 19:13.37 | zedkatuf | whoops |
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| 19:13.41 | zedkatuf | wrong copy |
| 19:13.42 | zedkatuf | :) |
| 19:13.53 | zedkatuf | Connection to "localhost:0.0" refused by server |
| 19:13.53 | zedkatuf | [19:05:17] <zedkatuf> No protocol specified |
| 19:14.05 | zedkatuf | (ignore the Connection to "localhost:0.0" refused by server |
| 19:14.06 | zedkatuf | [19:05:17] <zedkatuf> No protocol specified |
| 19:14.15 | zedkatuf | d'oh |
| 19:14.18 | zedkatuf | ignore the: |
| 19:14.32 | zedkatuf | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:15.07 | blat | kolla, well, not quite |
| 19:15.13 | blat | maybe a tarred file of pre-installed stuff |
| 19:15.18 | blat | or an initrd.bin which i can flash with |
| 19:16.52 | zedkatuf | blat: |
| 19:16.57 | zedkatuf | u could try the hentges rom |
| 19:17.01 | zedkatuf | with an sd installer |
| 19:17.14 | zedkatuf | script that chucks a decent set of apps onto sd card |
| 19:17.19 | zedkatuf | (ext2 formatted) |
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| 19:31.05 | blat | ok thanx =] |
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| 19:49.53 | RockClimber | has anyone setup syncing of ka/pi or ko/pi with a phone over irda? |
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| 21:02.27 | DirtyD | can the ROM be flashed from an SD card? |
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| 23:42.47 | ahnkle | hi - anyone done dialout via irda? |