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04:14.41brimstonedoes openzaurus not have the ability to format a SD as ext2?
04:18.28CoreDump|afkbrimstone: IIRC the stock OZ ROMs do not ship fsck.ext2 by default. It's somewhere in the feeds though
04:19.54brimstonei found it in dosfstools
04:19.55brimstonethanks
04:21.38brimstonewait, no i didn't
04:21.44brimstonethat's mkfs.vfat
04:22.56CoreDump|afkbase/e2fsprogs-e2fsck_1.36-WIP-0408-r3_arm.ipk
04:23.21CoreDump|afkerr
04:23.31CoreDump|afkyou were looking for mkfs, sorry
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05:14.57alakdananyone got any ideas how I can make this IR based keyboard work in oz? Its not pocketop or belkin. Im trying to look for some info how the pocketop keyboard was made to work.
05:16.33kakosCan OpenZaurus software run on the Cacko ROM?
05:26.05kakosAnyone?
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08:11.33OhMyAchinLapthe instructions for flashing my 5500 on openzaurus.org say to use a CF card.  can i posibly use an SD card instead?
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08:58.57hrw|workOhMyAchinLap: collie (5000/5500) can be flashed ONLY from cf card
08:59.19hrw|workkakos: no - oz is not compatible with sharprom
08:59.55OhMyAchinLaphrw|work, thank you
09:02.58XorAhrw|work: we should work out how to flash by usb sharp stylee :-)
09:03.39kolla_hehe
09:05.23OhMyAchinLaplooks like i also can't flash from a microdrive either
09:05.31OhMyAchinLapso perhaps i'll hold off on buying one
09:05.32hrw|workXorA: you have non-collie zaurus so you are out of discussion ;)
09:05.52XorAhrw|work: spoil sport :-)
09:05.53hrw|workOhMyAchinLap: 32MiB card will be enough to flash sharprom, 16MiB to flash OZ
09:05.59OhMyAchinLapi'm also wondering...i have the option of allocating all 64MB to system memory...is this a bad idea?
09:06.12OhMyAchinLaphow much storage does OZ tend to need?
09:06.34OhMyAchinLapi just yanked a 256MB CF card out of someone else's camera ;)
09:06.38hrw|workI use 64-0 and cf card as storage
09:06.44OhMyAchinLapthats what i was thinking
09:06.48OhMyAchinLapexcept SD as storage
09:07.01OhMyAchinLapwhen it says storage...does that mean literally everything, including the OS?
09:07.34hrw|workno
09:07.44hrw|workbase system is in flash
09:08.13OhMyAchinLapok...so "storage" means user files, and any programs installed beyond the base system?
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09:08.32hrw|workanything
09:09.29OhMyAchinLapok.  currently all i really have is a 64MB SD card, but i was plannning to get do something about that
09:11.09OhMyAchinLaphow much storage do you find you use with yours?
09:11.29hrw|workI have 256M card
09:11.40OhMyAchinLapi'm thinking of a 256MB SD card that will be pretty much permanent, and a 1GB or larger CF card for extra storage
09:12.00OhMyAchinLapok...that gives me something to go on
09:12.10OhMyAchinLaptigerdirect has 256 SD cards for like $10
09:12.35hrw|workplease dont tell me about prices in US...
09:12.57hrw|workwifi cards for 26usd.. memory cards for pennies etc..
09:13.18OhMyAchinLapsorry :(
09:28.14alakdananybody know where I can download minicom?
09:28.32alakdanfor openzaurus
09:29.45OhMyAchinLapheh, interesting question
09:34.45hrw|workalakdan: try ckermit from feed
09:36.35alakdanhrw|work: ok
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10:14.32OhMyAchinLapi may have just bricked this zaurus
10:14.43OhMyAchinLapi'm not sure, but i think it may have a dodgy power supply
10:14.57OhMyAchinLapand i think it may have gone out during the flash
10:15.05OhMyAchinLapnow i get nothing when pressing the power button
10:15.06OhMyAchinLap:(
10:15.48hrw|workyou was flashing OZ?
10:16.04hrw|workpressed 'full reset' after reflash?
10:16.44OhMyAchinLapi held down "c" "d" and "full reset" and both lights started flashing like they should
10:16.55OhMyAchinLapvery gently placed it on the table, as it said it could take 12mins
10:17.02OhMyAchinLapcame back over and BOTH lights are out
10:17.22hrw|workok. and?
10:17.35OhMyAchinLapand it won't do a damn thing
10:17.41hrw|workpress 'full reset'
10:18.19OhMyAchinLapdid, several times
10:19.32hrw|workand it wont start?
10:19.47hrw|workcan you check md5sum of both kernel and initrd.bin file?
10:20.04OhMyAchinLapsure...but can you anser my earlier question?
10:20.19OhMyAchinLapif the power went out during flash, whats the worst thing that can happen?
10:20.42hrw|workif you didnt flash OSPACK then you can try to flash again
10:20.56hrw|workonly OSPACK (sharprom update) can brick collie
10:20.58OhMyAchinLapin other words...its not even possible to brick it?
10:21.04OhMyAchinLapah ok
10:21.12OhMyAchinLapthats what i wanted to hear, whew
10:21.30hrw|workwith oz you replace kernel and rootfs. with OSPACK you replace ALL - even bootloader/flasher
10:22.13OhMyAchinLapof course, i get NO power lights at all
10:22.20OhMyAchinLapmaybe this thing was dodgy when i got it
10:22.38OhMyAchinLapit has all along seemed like the power cut in and out
10:22.43OhMyAchinLapalthought the battery charged fine
10:23.02OhMyAchinLapand trying to flash it, i had to attempt to flash RIGHT after plugging the power cable in
10:23.03hrw|workif you have full battery then flashing can be done even without power connected - but it is not recommended (and I was not saying that)
10:23.11OhMyAchinLapotherwise the light goes off
10:23.34OhMyAchinLapand i would never get the two to come on signfying a flash
10:32.08OhMyAchinLapoh shit
10:32.15OhMyAchinLapthe md5sum for zimage is wrong
10:32.25OhMyAchinLapthe sum for the copy on my HDD is good
10:32.29OhMyAchinLapthe one on the CF is not
10:32.53OhMyAchinLapfor some reason, it changes "zimage" to "zImage" as well
10:34.22hrw|workit should be zImage
10:34.40OhMyAchinLapright.  it is..until i move it to the CF...then for some reason its changed
10:34.51OhMyAchinLapand the CF _is_ FAT16 of course
10:35.11OhMyAchinLapthat doesn't really explain why this thing won't give any signs of life now though
10:37.25hrw|workkernel cannot boot
10:37.29hrw|workflash correct kernel
10:38.26OhMyAchinLapshouldn't i at least get a power light when i plug the thing in still though?
10:39.38hrw|workdont know does charging support need working kernel..
10:39.50hrw|workflash kernel and then try to run
10:40.26OhMyAchinLapit doesn't in my laptop...but obviously that is because the bios on the laptop is probably more robust then whatever the zaurus has
10:40.34OhMyAchinLapi'm copying over the kernel agian, and checking the sum
10:41.05OhMyAchinLapok...still changing the name, but good sum
10:41.06hrw|workyou can flash kernel without flashing rootfs - place only kernel on card
10:43.38OhMyAchinLapooh!  i have lights :)
10:44.31OhMyAchinLapthis thing came with "cacti" or whatever on it, maybe that just had buggy support for the power light
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11:27.39OhMyAchinLapmy zaurus is now booting OZ :D
11:28.17hrw|workgreat
11:32.29OhMyAchinLapi've got some kind of funky dialog telling me its found my sd card
11:32.40OhMyAchinLapbut it looks like its a bit larger than the screen
11:33.08hrw|workremove cards and reboot
11:33.15hrw|workit was fixed after oz 3.5.2
11:33.34OhMyAchinLapah ok
11:33.44hrw|workbtw - its in releasenotes
11:34.34OhMyAchinLapwhere might i find those?
11:34.52hrw|workopenzaurus.org iirc
11:35.42OhMyAchinLapok, i'll just look more closely
11:35.55OhMyAchinLapah
11:35.59OhMyAchinLapits in the downloads directory
11:36.21OhMyAchinLaphttp://openembedded.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/OpenZaurusReleaseNotes
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11:36.38OhMyAchinLapremoving the cards did the trick btw
11:37.07hrw|workhmm.. have to edit it a bit
11:37.35OhMyAchinLapare you an OZ dev?
11:38.20hrw|workyes
11:38.28hrw|workI'm collie maintainer
11:38.39OhMyAchinLapah, well i guess i caught the right guy!
11:39.03OhMyAchinLapthank you again for the help...so far OZ is looking pretty nice
11:40.58hrw|worknp
11:41.19hrw|workI should probably setup donations page somewhere ;)
11:42.42OhMyAchinLapyes you should...i don't see anyting on the OZ frontpage
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11:43.27OhMyAchinLapi'm just a poor student, but i donate money to projects that i use when i can...gave $20 to fluxbox last week to try and bribe them into re-implementing tabs ;)
11:44.18hrw|work;)
11:46.11OhMyAchinLaphm...i've got a linksys wcf-12 wireless card which seems to be detected...but scanning for networks on the interface doesn't show either of the two networks i know are here(i'm on a wireless laptop right now)
11:46.21OhMyAchinLapand it seems to have two interfaces for one wireless card?
11:46.34hrw|workyou can ignore one of them
11:46.42OhMyAchinLapwlan0 and wifi0
11:46.50OhMyAchinLapneither saw any networks
11:46.58hrw|workdont remember which anyway - I dont have other cards then 2 memory cf card
11:47.23OhMyAchinLapi bought this thing on ebay and it came with a linksys CF card
11:47.31OhMyAchinLapand the SD
11:49.16Bernardoyou use wlan0
11:49.24hrw|workI bought 'naked' one - refurbished
11:49.25Bernardowifi0 will give you stats
11:50.56OhMyAchinLapah ok
11:51.01OhMyAchinLapbernardo, thank you
11:51.18OhMyAchinLapbtw, i found this page which answered many of my newb questions from earlier: http://www.kevinboone.com/openzaurus.html
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11:51.49Bernardogo to the network applet, and select configure,
11:52.07OhMyAchinLapthere
11:52.13Bernardothere press the "rescan neighbourhood" button, should show any ap's in range
11:52.24OhMyAchinLapyup, first thing i did
11:52.33OhMyAchinLapits 6 inches from this laptop using wireless
11:52.38OhMyAchinLapand sees nothing
11:53.23Bernardostrange... and if you try opie-wellenreiter. does it detect anything? Remember to configure it to use  wlan0
11:54.10OhMyAchinLapthat doesn't come on it, does it?
11:54.16lardmanmine works fine (on a c750 mind you)
11:54.26OhMyAchinLapi just got it booted, haven't messed with syncing it to the laptop yet
11:54.42OhMyAchinLapi'm going to try feeding it the data manually
11:54.52OhMyAchinLapzaurus support hotplug of memory cards?
11:55.02Bernardoyes, it does
11:55.11BernardoI only have problems with a 1Gb SD card
11:55.20OhMyAchinLapwhat type of problems?
11:55.38XorAhow in gods name does someone expect to use OpenOffice on an MP3 player?
11:55.51lardmanXorA: which one
11:56.14XorAArchos
11:56.23OhMyAchinLapohh
11:56.29OhMyAchinLapthat new media player that runs linux?
11:57.29BernardoXorA: to browse documents?
11:57.54Bernardohave to run, bbl
11:58.10lardmanOhMyAchinLap: is the wlan0 connection up (trying to think of reasons why it doesn't work for you)?
12:00.40OhMyAchinLapyup, its up
12:01.33OhMyAchinLapoops, i must have done something dumb
12:01.37OhMyAchinLapi tried to pull up terminal
12:01.47OhMyAchinLapand i chose "1"
12:02.03OhMyAchinLapand its a full screen terminal, with no discernible way to get back to X
12:02.17hrw|workpress 'datebook'+right
12:02.21hrw|workor run "chvt 2"
12:02.28OhMyAchinLapah
12:02.50OhMyAchinLapis datebook similar to "mod1", aka "alt"?
12:03.16hrw|workdatebook is far left hardare key
12:03.21hrw|workdatebook/calendar/
12:03.34OhMyAchinLapright, i found it...i just meant its function within linux
12:05.25hrw|workaha - yes
12:05.55hrw|workit works in the same way - but you cannot use it under opie or gpe as they intercept that key for own usage
12:06.53OhMyAchinLapcool, good to know
12:07.12OhMyAchinLapthis is soooo much more fun having full fledged linux on a palm device
12:07.42OhMyAchinLapi have a palm m100 which is less interesting...had a linux phone too, but they didn't give you access to the guts like we've got on the zaurus
12:13.51hrw|workI have m105 at home (girlfriend use it)
12:13.58hrw|workand old palm pilot 5000
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13:11.45RockClimbermickeyl, could you mention the Z document project in the next OZ newsletter
13:19.27RockClimberany ideas why ssh over usb might have become very slow on my system. It takes a long time to get to the password prompt, then fine after that
13:20.46OhMyAchinLapmy BSD systems are always much slower to bring up a prompt.  i always assumed it was because they were doing more rigourous checking of the hashes
13:21.01OhMyAchinLapnot that it has a THING to do with your USB issue, just throwing that out there
13:21.57RockClimberwell, might not be usb, i don't have any other method of connecting. maybe fc1->fc3 changed something with ssh
13:22.26RockClimberI assumed it was the Z as FC3 to FC3 box is fast
13:23.35OhMyAchinLapyou're running a completely different kernel now then?
13:23.44RockClimberyes
13:23.48OhMyAchinLapthat usb networking stuff is all in the kernel right?  maybe something has changed there
13:24.01RockClimberbut it's fast once connected
13:24.02OhMyAchinLapi know the subsystem is different in newer ones
13:24.58OhMyAchinLaphm.  that does point more towards that actual act of authentication being the problem
13:25.25OhMyAchinLapmaybe FC3 is dealing with keys differently, using a different algorithm?  again, just throwing vague ideas out there
13:25.54RockClimberin that case I'm not worried, nothing going wrong with the Z then
13:26.38OhMyAchinLapif this never happened before upgrading fedora, and has consistently happened since, it definitely points towards FC
13:27.30RockClimberOhMyAchinLap, also flashed Z with 3.5.3-pre
13:29.05OhMyAchinLapah..then i gues its equally possible theres a bug if you're running bleeding edge
13:29.30OhMyAchinLapi just flashed my zaurus for the first time a couple hours ago, so i'm really the wrong guy to ask there heh
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17:12.58alakdananybody awake?
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17:27.02lardmannearly asleep actually, been at work too long for a Friday
17:27.46alakdanI have an IR keyboard (not pocketop or targus), it works on palm and pocketpc but not on openzaurus. Im trying to make it work. and right now I can get scan codes on the IR port via setest program
17:28.08alakdanIm not sure how to proceed to modify the IRK source
17:28.09lardmanok
17:28.31alakdansetest -> sertest
17:28.38lardmanI don't know anything about IRK, sorry about that
17:28.53alakdanlardman: ok :)
17:29.14lardmangood luck, I'm off now, time for home
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19:15.39untorncan the zaurus connect to the internet through a bluetooth enabled phone without buying an extra card
19:17.14CoreDump|homewell, if your Z has built-in BT, maybe. Configuring it is going to be a bitch though heh
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