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04:14.41 | brimstone | does openzaurus not have the ability to format a SD as ext2? |
04:18.28 | CoreDump|afk | brimstone: IIRC the stock OZ ROMs do not ship fsck.ext2 by default. It's somewhere in the feeds though |
04:19.54 | brimstone | i found it in dosfstools |
04:19.55 | brimstone | thanks |
04:21.38 | brimstone | wait, no i didn't |
04:21.44 | brimstone | that's mkfs.vfat |
04:22.56 | CoreDump|afk | base/e2fsprogs-e2fsck_1.36-WIP-0408-r3_arm.ipk |
04:23.21 | CoreDump|afk | err |
04:23.31 | CoreDump|afk | you were looking for mkfs, sorry |
04:24.40 | CoreDump|afk | base/e2fsprogs-mke2fs_1.36-WIP-0408-r3_arm.ipk |
05:14.57 | alakdan | anyone got any ideas how I can make this IR based keyboard work in oz? Its not pocketop or belkin. Im trying to look for some info how the pocketop keyboard was made to work. |
05:16.33 | kakos | Can OpenZaurus software run on the Cacko ROM? |
05:26.05 | kakos | Anyone? |
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08:11.33 | OhMyAchinLap | the instructions for flashing my 5500 on openzaurus.org say to use a CF card. can i posibly use an SD card instead? |
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08:58.57 | hrw|work | OhMyAchinLap: collie (5000/5500) can be flashed ONLY from cf card |
08:59.19 | hrw|work | kakos: no - oz is not compatible with sharprom |
08:59.55 | OhMyAchinLap | hrw|work, thank you |
09:02.58 | XorA | hrw|work: we should work out how to flash by usb sharp stylee :-) |
09:03.39 | kolla_ | hehe |
09:05.23 | OhMyAchinLap | looks like i also can't flash from a microdrive either |
09:05.31 | OhMyAchinLap | so perhaps i'll hold off on buying one |
09:05.32 | hrw|work | XorA: you have non-collie zaurus so you are out of discussion ;) |
09:05.52 | XorA | hrw|work: spoil sport :-) |
09:05.53 | hrw|work | OhMyAchinLap: 32MiB card will be enough to flash sharprom, 16MiB to flash OZ |
09:05.59 | OhMyAchinLap | i'm also wondering...i have the option of allocating all 64MB to system memory...is this a bad idea? |
09:06.12 | OhMyAchinLap | how much storage does OZ tend to need? |
09:06.34 | OhMyAchinLap | i just yanked a 256MB CF card out of someone else's camera ;) |
09:06.38 | hrw|work | I use 64-0 and cf card as storage |
09:06.44 | OhMyAchinLap | thats what i was thinking |
09:06.48 | OhMyAchinLap | except SD as storage |
09:07.01 | OhMyAchinLap | when it says storage...does that mean literally everything, including the OS? |
09:07.34 | hrw|work | no |
09:07.44 | hrw|work | base system is in flash |
09:08.13 | OhMyAchinLap | ok...so "storage" means user files, and any programs installed beyond the base system? |
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09:08.32 | hrw|work | anything |
09:09.29 | OhMyAchinLap | ok. currently all i really have is a 64MB SD card, but i was plannning to get do something about that |
09:11.09 | OhMyAchinLap | how much storage do you find you use with yours? |
09:11.29 | hrw|work | I have 256M card |
09:11.40 | OhMyAchinLap | i'm thinking of a 256MB SD card that will be pretty much permanent, and a 1GB or larger CF card for extra storage |
09:12.00 | OhMyAchinLap | ok...that gives me something to go on |
09:12.10 | OhMyAchinLap | tigerdirect has 256 SD cards for like $10 |
09:12.35 | hrw|work | please dont tell me about prices in US... |
09:12.57 | hrw|work | wifi cards for 26usd.. memory cards for pennies etc.. |
09:13.18 | OhMyAchinLap | sorry :( |
09:28.14 | alakdan | anybody know where I can download minicom? |
09:28.32 | alakdan | for openzaurus |
09:29.45 | OhMyAchinLap | heh, interesting question |
09:34.45 | hrw|work | alakdan: try ckermit from feed |
09:36.35 | alakdan | hrw|work: ok |
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10:14.32 | OhMyAchinLap | i may have just bricked this zaurus |
10:14.43 | OhMyAchinLap | i'm not sure, but i think it may have a dodgy power supply |
10:14.57 | OhMyAchinLap | and i think it may have gone out during the flash |
10:15.05 | OhMyAchinLap | now i get nothing when pressing the power button |
10:15.06 | OhMyAchinLap | :( |
10:15.48 | hrw|work | you was flashing OZ? |
10:16.04 | hrw|work | pressed 'full reset' after reflash? |
10:16.44 | OhMyAchinLap | i held down "c" "d" and "full reset" and both lights started flashing like they should |
10:16.55 | OhMyAchinLap | very gently placed it on the table, as it said it could take 12mins |
10:17.02 | OhMyAchinLap | came back over and BOTH lights are out |
10:17.22 | hrw|work | ok. and? |
10:17.35 | OhMyAchinLap | and it won't do a damn thing |
10:17.41 | hrw|work | press 'full reset' |
10:18.19 | OhMyAchinLap | did, several times |
10:19.32 | hrw|work | and it wont start? |
10:19.47 | hrw|work | can you check md5sum of both kernel and initrd.bin file? |
10:20.04 | OhMyAchinLap | sure...but can you anser my earlier question? |
10:20.19 | OhMyAchinLap | if the power went out during flash, whats the worst thing that can happen? |
10:20.42 | hrw|work | if you didnt flash OSPACK then you can try to flash again |
10:20.56 | hrw|work | only OSPACK (sharprom update) can brick collie |
10:20.58 | OhMyAchinLap | in other words...its not even possible to brick it? |
10:21.04 | OhMyAchinLap | ah ok |
10:21.12 | OhMyAchinLap | thats what i wanted to hear, whew |
10:21.30 | hrw|work | with oz you replace kernel and rootfs. with OSPACK you replace ALL - even bootloader/flasher |
10:22.13 | OhMyAchinLap | of course, i get NO power lights at all |
10:22.20 | OhMyAchinLap | maybe this thing was dodgy when i got it |
10:22.38 | OhMyAchinLap | it has all along seemed like the power cut in and out |
10:22.43 | OhMyAchinLap | althought the battery charged fine |
10:23.02 | OhMyAchinLap | and trying to flash it, i had to attempt to flash RIGHT after plugging the power cable in |
10:23.03 | hrw|work | if you have full battery then flashing can be done even without power connected - but it is not recommended (and I was not saying that) |
10:23.11 | OhMyAchinLap | otherwise the light goes off |
10:23.34 | OhMyAchinLap | and i would never get the two to come on signfying a flash |
10:32.08 | OhMyAchinLap | oh shit |
10:32.15 | OhMyAchinLap | the md5sum for zimage is wrong |
10:32.25 | OhMyAchinLap | the sum for the copy on my HDD is good |
10:32.29 | OhMyAchinLap | the one on the CF is not |
10:32.53 | OhMyAchinLap | for some reason, it changes "zimage" to "zImage" as well |
10:34.22 | hrw|work | it should be zImage |
10:34.40 | OhMyAchinLap | right. it is..until i move it to the CF...then for some reason its changed |
10:34.51 | OhMyAchinLap | and the CF _is_ FAT16 of course |
10:35.11 | OhMyAchinLap | that doesn't really explain why this thing won't give any signs of life now though |
10:37.25 | hrw|work | kernel cannot boot |
10:37.29 | hrw|work | flash correct kernel |
10:38.26 | OhMyAchinLap | shouldn't i at least get a power light when i plug the thing in still though? |
10:39.38 | hrw|work | dont know does charging support need working kernel.. |
10:39.50 | hrw|work | flash kernel and then try to run |
10:40.26 | OhMyAchinLap | it doesn't in my laptop...but obviously that is because the bios on the laptop is probably more robust then whatever the zaurus has |
10:40.34 | OhMyAchinLap | i'm copying over the kernel agian, and checking the sum |
10:41.05 | OhMyAchinLap | ok...still changing the name, but good sum |
10:41.06 | hrw|work | you can flash kernel without flashing rootfs - place only kernel on card |
10:43.38 | OhMyAchinLap | ooh! i have lights :) |
10:44.31 | OhMyAchinLap | this thing came with "cacti" or whatever on it, maybe that just had buggy support for the power light |
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11:27.39 | OhMyAchinLap | my zaurus is now booting OZ :D |
11:28.17 | hrw|work | great |
11:32.29 | OhMyAchinLap | i've got some kind of funky dialog telling me its found my sd card |
11:32.40 | OhMyAchinLap | but it looks like its a bit larger than the screen |
11:33.08 | hrw|work | remove cards and reboot |
11:33.15 | hrw|work | it was fixed after oz 3.5.2 |
11:33.34 | OhMyAchinLap | ah ok |
11:33.44 | hrw|work | btw - its in releasenotes |
11:34.34 | OhMyAchinLap | where might i find those? |
11:34.52 | hrw|work | openzaurus.org iirc |
11:35.42 | OhMyAchinLap | ok, i'll just look more closely |
11:35.55 | OhMyAchinLap | ah |
11:35.59 | OhMyAchinLap | its in the downloads directory |
11:36.21 | OhMyAchinLap | http://openembedded.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/OpenZaurusReleaseNotes |
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11:36.38 | OhMyAchinLap | removing the cards did the trick btw |
11:37.07 | hrw|work | hmm.. have to edit it a bit |
11:37.35 | OhMyAchinLap | are you an OZ dev? |
11:38.20 | hrw|work | yes |
11:38.28 | hrw|work | I'm collie maintainer |
11:38.39 | OhMyAchinLap | ah, well i guess i caught the right guy! |
11:39.03 | OhMyAchinLap | thank you again for the help...so far OZ is looking pretty nice |
11:40.58 | hrw|work | np |
11:41.19 | hrw|work | I should probably setup donations page somewhere ;) |
11:42.42 | OhMyAchinLap | yes you should...i don't see anyting on the OZ frontpage |
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11:43.27 | OhMyAchinLap | i'm just a poor student, but i donate money to projects that i use when i can...gave $20 to fluxbox last week to try and bribe them into re-implementing tabs ;) |
11:44.18 | hrw|work | ;) |
11:46.11 | OhMyAchinLap | hm...i've got a linksys wcf-12 wireless card which seems to be detected...but scanning for networks on the interface doesn't show either of the two networks i know are here(i'm on a wireless laptop right now) |
11:46.21 | OhMyAchinLap | and it seems to have two interfaces for one wireless card? |
11:46.34 | hrw|work | you can ignore one of them |
11:46.42 | OhMyAchinLap | wlan0 and wifi0 |
11:46.50 | OhMyAchinLap | neither saw any networks |
11:46.58 | hrw|work | dont remember which anyway - I dont have other cards then 2 memory cf card |
11:47.23 | OhMyAchinLap | i bought this thing on ebay and it came with a linksys CF card |
11:47.31 | OhMyAchinLap | and the SD |
11:49.16 | Bernardo | you use wlan0 |
11:49.24 | hrw|work | I bought 'naked' one - refurbished |
11:49.25 | Bernardo | wifi0 will give you stats |
11:50.56 | OhMyAchinLap | ah ok |
11:51.01 | OhMyAchinLap | bernardo, thank you |
11:51.18 | OhMyAchinLap | btw, i found this page which answered many of my newb questions from earlier: http://www.kevinboone.com/openzaurus.html |
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11:51.49 | Bernardo | go to the network applet, and select configure, |
11:52.07 | OhMyAchinLap | there |
11:52.13 | Bernardo | there press the "rescan neighbourhood" button, should show any ap's in range |
11:52.24 | OhMyAchinLap | yup, first thing i did |
11:52.33 | OhMyAchinLap | its 6 inches from this laptop using wireless |
11:52.38 | OhMyAchinLap | and sees nothing |
11:53.23 | Bernardo | strange... and if you try opie-wellenreiter. does it detect anything? Remember to configure it to use wlan0 |
11:54.10 | OhMyAchinLap | that doesn't come on it, does it? |
11:54.16 | lardman | mine works fine (on a c750 mind you) |
11:54.26 | OhMyAchinLap | i just got it booted, haven't messed with syncing it to the laptop yet |
11:54.42 | OhMyAchinLap | i'm going to try feeding it the data manually |
11:54.52 | OhMyAchinLap | zaurus support hotplug of memory cards? |
11:55.02 | Bernardo | yes, it does |
11:55.11 | Bernardo | I only have problems with a 1Gb SD card |
11:55.20 | OhMyAchinLap | what type of problems? |
11:55.38 | XorA | how in gods name does someone expect to use OpenOffice on an MP3 player? |
11:55.51 | lardman | XorA: which one |
11:56.14 | XorA | Archos |
11:56.23 | OhMyAchinLap | ohh |
11:56.29 | OhMyAchinLap | that new media player that runs linux? |
11:57.29 | Bernardo | XorA: to browse documents? |
11:57.54 | Bernardo | have to run, bbl |
11:58.10 | lardman | OhMyAchinLap: is the wlan0 connection up (trying to think of reasons why it doesn't work for you)? |
12:00.40 | OhMyAchinLap | yup, its up |
12:01.33 | OhMyAchinLap | oops, i must have done something dumb |
12:01.37 | OhMyAchinLap | i tried to pull up terminal |
12:01.47 | OhMyAchinLap | and i chose "1" |
12:02.03 | OhMyAchinLap | and its a full screen terminal, with no discernible way to get back to X |
12:02.17 | hrw|work | press 'datebook'+right |
12:02.21 | hrw|work | or run "chvt 2" |
12:02.28 | OhMyAchinLap | ah |
12:02.50 | OhMyAchinLap | is datebook similar to "mod1", aka "alt"? |
12:03.16 | hrw|work | datebook is far left hardare key |
12:03.21 | hrw|work | datebook/calendar/ |
12:03.34 | OhMyAchinLap | right, i found it...i just meant its function within linux |
12:05.25 | hrw|work | aha - yes |
12:05.55 | hrw|work | it works in the same way - but you cannot use it under opie or gpe as they intercept that key for own usage |
12:06.53 | OhMyAchinLap | cool, good to know |
12:07.12 | OhMyAchinLap | this is soooo much more fun having full fledged linux on a palm device |
12:07.42 | OhMyAchinLap | i have a palm m100 which is less interesting...had a linux phone too, but they didn't give you access to the guts like we've got on the zaurus |
12:13.51 | hrw|work | I have m105 at home (girlfriend use it) |
12:13.58 | hrw|work | and old palm pilot 5000 |
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13:11.45 | RockClimber | mickeyl, could you mention the Z document project in the next OZ newsletter |
13:19.27 | RockClimber | any ideas why ssh over usb might have become very slow on my system. It takes a long time to get to the password prompt, then fine after that |
13:20.46 | OhMyAchinLap | my BSD systems are always much slower to bring up a prompt. i always assumed it was because they were doing more rigourous checking of the hashes |
13:21.01 | OhMyAchinLap | not that it has a THING to do with your USB issue, just throwing that out there |
13:21.57 | RockClimber | well, might not be usb, i don't have any other method of connecting. maybe fc1->fc3 changed something with ssh |
13:22.26 | RockClimber | I assumed it was the Z as FC3 to FC3 box is fast |
13:23.35 | OhMyAchinLap | you're running a completely different kernel now then? |
13:23.44 | RockClimber | yes |
13:23.48 | OhMyAchinLap | that usb networking stuff is all in the kernel right? maybe something has changed there |
13:24.01 | RockClimber | but it's fast once connected |
13:24.02 | OhMyAchinLap | i know the subsystem is different in newer ones |
13:24.58 | OhMyAchinLap | hm. that does point more towards that actual act of authentication being the problem |
13:25.25 | OhMyAchinLap | maybe FC3 is dealing with keys differently, using a different algorithm? again, just throwing vague ideas out there |
13:25.54 | RockClimber | in that case I'm not worried, nothing going wrong with the Z then |
13:26.38 | OhMyAchinLap | if this never happened before upgrading fedora, and has consistently happened since, it definitely points towards FC |
13:27.30 | RockClimber | OhMyAchinLap, also flashed Z with 3.5.3-pre |
13:29.05 | OhMyAchinLap | ah..then i gues its equally possible theres a bug if you're running bleeding edge |
13:29.30 | OhMyAchinLap | i just flashed my zaurus for the first time a couple hours ago, so i'm really the wrong guy to ask there heh |
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17:27.02 | lardman | nearly asleep actually, been at work too long for a Friday |
17:27.46 | alakdan | I have an IR keyboard (not pocketop or targus), it works on palm and pocketpc but not on openzaurus. Im trying to make it work. and right now I can get scan codes on the IR port via setest program |
17:28.08 | alakdan | Im not sure how to proceed to modify the IRK source |
17:28.09 | lardman | ok |
17:28.31 | alakdan | setest -> sertest |
17:28.38 | lardman | I don't know anything about IRK, sorry about that |
17:28.53 | alakdan | lardman: ok :) |
17:29.14 | lardman | good luck, I'm off now, time for home |
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19:17.14 | CoreDump|home | well, if your Z has built-in BT, maybe. Configuring it is going to be a bitch though heh |
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