| 00:09.04 | *** join/#openzaurus darmou (~darmou@dsl-220-235-80-26.vic.westnet.com.au) |
| 00:52.40 | *** join/#openzaurus tanq (~tanq@66.169.136.135.ts46v-07.otnc1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) |
| 00:57.52 | *** join/#openzaurus marcanso1t (1337@80-28-117-159.adsl.nuria.telefonica-data.net) |
| 01:01.10 | *** join/#openzaurus darmou (~darmou@CPE-144-137-5-71.vic.bigpond.net.au) |
| 01:18.18 | *** join/#openzaurus Timelord (~TL@64-147-65-84.access-3.intertex.net) |
| 01:30.56 | W8TVI | Sharp Zaurus SL-C1000? |
| 01:39.08 | *** join/#openzaurus hufnus (~slonsiki@m601736d0.tmodns.net) |
| 01:47.30 | blitzrage | has anyone else noticed that once you suspend in 3.5.3-pre that you can't recover it? |
| 01:54.15 | *** join/#openzaurus brainZzZ (statute@c-24-18-82-42.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 02:13.42 | *** join/#openzaurus blitzrage (~blitzrage@blitzrage.documenter.extraordinaire.of.asterisk) |
| 02:14.18 | blitzrage | ghotiboy1: did you say earlier that your Z won't wakeup after it goes into suspend? |
| 02:27.42 | Cwiiis | blitzrage: Fixed earlier today (well, worked around, not truly fixed yet) |
| 02:28.23 | Cwiiis | blitzrage: remove /dev/apm_bios from /etc/device_table and restart |
| 02:29.02 | blitzrage | Cwiiis: awesome, thanks! |
| 02:29.19 | Cwiiis | (not the fix that's in oe btw, but the easiest way of fixing it) |
| 02:29.26 | blitzrage | coolness |
| 02:29.29 | blitzrage | will give that a shot |
| 02:29.46 | Cwiiis | np |
| 02:35.42 | blitzrage | Cwiiis: is there an application such as slocate that I can use to search the filesystem? |
| 02:35.53 | blitzrage | I didn't see slocate, so I assume it doesn't exist :) |
| 02:49.01 | *** join/#openzaurus darmou (~darmou@CPE-144-137-5-71.vic.bigpond.net.au) |
| 02:50.14 | *** join/#openzaurus hufnus (~slonsiki@m601736d0.tmodns.net) |
| 03:05.38 | blitzrage | I'm trying to debug why a program isn't loading, and when I run the .sh script for the program from the console, the application doesn't have an OK button, but when I run it from the GUI via the link, it shows the OK |
| 03:06.31 | blitzrage | actually, the program loads, but has I move through the menus it crashes. |
| 03:18.03 | *** part/#openzaurus brainZzZ (statute@c-24-18-82-42.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 03:57.02 | *** join/#openzaurus darmou (~darmou@CPE-144-137-5-71.vic.bigpond.net.au) |
| 04:07.32 | *** join/#openzaurus darmou (~darmou@CPE-144-137-5-71.vic.bigpond.net.au) |
| 04:11.46 | *** join/#openzaurus darmou (~darmou@CPE-144-137-5-71.vic.bigpond.net.au) |
| 04:34.50 | *** join/#openzaurus imk (~dj@69-175-55-137.ontrca.adelphia.net) |
| 04:41.49 | *** join/#openzaurus mithro (~tim@dsl1-83.gw1.adl1.airnet.com.au) |
| 04:46.14 | *** join/#openzaurus mithro (~tim@dsl1-83.gw1.adl1.airnet.com.au) |
| 05:17.56 | *** join/#openzaurus tonayie (~tonayie@pool-162-84-129-170.ny5030.east.verizon.net) |
| 05:18.31 | tonayie | gimp for zaurus, i know it exists where is it? |
| 05:20.36 | *** part/#openzaurus tonayie (~tonayie@pool-162-84-129-170.ny5030.east.verizon.net) |
| 05:28.08 | *** join/#openzaurus blitzrage (~blitzrage@blitzrage.documenter.extraordinaire.of.asterisk) |
| 05:51.35 | *** part/#openzaurus tanq (~tanq@66.169.136.135.ts46v-07.otnc1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) |
| 05:57.01 | *** join/#openzaurus imk (~dj@69-175-55-137.ontrca.adelphia.net) |
| 05:57.49 | *** join/#openzaurus imk (~dj@69-175-55-137.ontrca.adelphia.net) |
| 06:07.30 | *** join/#openzaurus synth (~cb@pcp838545pcs.venice01.fl.comcast.net) |
| 06:25.40 | *** join/#openzaurus blitzrage (~blitzrage@blitzrage.documenter.extraordinaire.of.asterisk) |
| 08:16.47 | *** join/#openzaurus blitzrage (~blitzrage@blitzrage.documenter.extraordinaire.of.asterisk) |
| 08:56.36 | *** join/#openzaurus FallenHitokiri (~Pharao@p3EE0BDA4.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 09:01.49 | *** join/#openzaurus mithro_ (~tim@dsl1-83.gw1.adl1.airnet.com.au) |
| 10:00.00 | Radiance | hmm i must say that going for opie was a perfect choice, i tried gpe before this and it was unstable as hell, not work-able |
| 10:00.17 | Radiance | but opie really works stable |
| 10:26.54 | *** join/#openzaurus Pavouk (~pavouk@home.pavouk.org) |
| 10:31.33 | *** join/#openzaurus dipnlik (~dipnlik@200-158-61-32.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 10:32.34 | *** join/#openzaurus frdy (~adam@195.117.61.5) |
| 11:10.46 | *** join/#openzaurus zedkatuf (~dfutak@82-32-58-45.cable.ubr08.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 11:17.11 | *** join/#openzaurus J__ (~john@cpc4-mfld2-5-1-cust63.nott.cable.ntl.com) |
| 11:40.38 | Cwiiis | Radiance: Gpe will be a lot better in 3.5.3, I suggest you give it another try :) (Admittedly, application availability is and will be much higher with Opie for a while though) |
| 11:46.51 | *** join/#openzaurus darkschneider (~gab@213-140-22-64.fastres.net) |
| 11:47.22 | *** join/#openzaurus lardman (~lardman@138.38.73.178) |
| 11:50.50 | Radiance | Cwiiis, well, what makes GPE better than Opie ? hehe |
| 11:51.46 | Cwiiis | Radiance: X and gtk2 make it a lot easier to port desktop applications over and leave it with far more opportunities (imo) - It helps that it looks an awful lot nicer too :) |
| 11:51.56 | Cwiiis | Also, minimo is a much better browser than konqueror-embedded now |
| 11:51.58 | Radiance | i mean, it's linux, so basically there is no difference, but if you go a layer up and compare gpe and opie ... i notice opie is solid and stable, doesn't crash apps which crash with gpe |
| 11:52.42 | Cwiiis | I've not had any apps crash in gpe for a long time - And on the contrary, I've had apps crash with Opie (the package manager seems to do it all the time... Admittedly, gpe doesn't have a workable package manager at the moment, but it doesn't crash :)) |
| 11:53.18 | Radiance | Cwiiis, but still, what is the big advantage over opie ? (i'm not a programmer or so heh) |
| 11:53.38 | Radiance | is it that gpe can look fancier than opie ? heh |
| 11:54.20 | Cwiiis | Radiance: I guess if you're not into programming or porting applications, the only advantage is that it looks fancier and it has minimo |
| 11:54.32 | Radiance | ah okay |
| 11:54.48 | Radiance | but if you're a programmer, what is the big advantage ? |
| 11:54.54 | Cwiiis | X11 and gtk2 :) |
| 11:55.28 | Radiance | okay, that's true |
| 11:55.41 | Radiance | but on the commandline it's equal in every way hehe |
| 11:56.06 | Radiance | hmm |
| 11:56.19 | Radiance | well, eitherway, what do you expect in the nearby future ? |
| 11:56.25 | Radiance | opie & gpe will live together ? hehe |
| 11:56.49 | Cwiiis | Input, for the most part, is nicer in GPE too - Nicer keyboard (imo) and xstroke (full-screen character recognition, a la graffiti) |
| 11:57.14 | Cwiiis | Yes, gpe isn't gonna overtake opie, features-wise, anytime soon I don't hink :) They'll happy live alongside each other |
| 11:57.27 | Radiance | ah ok heh |
| 11:57.41 | Cwiiis | I have high hopes for Opie with qte4 |
| 11:57.47 | Radiance | i tried char-recog in gpe but it's not workable |
| 11:57.59 | Radiance | opie is based on Qt right ? |
| 11:58.25 | Cwiiis | What was the last version you tried it in? It's definitely improved in the last couple of versions |
| 11:58.28 | Cwiiis | Qt/e, yeah |
| 11:59.18 | Radiance | and Qt/e vs GTK ? what's your opinion about that ? heh |
| 11:59.32 | Radiance | 3.5.2 with gpe and now 3.5.2 with opie |
| 12:02.10 | Cwiiis | I'm not a fan of Qt, I don't like the API - I guess it comes down to whether you prefer C or C++ (I prefer the former) - Speed wise, I don't really know... Qt/e certainly uses less memory... But Gtk uses nicer technology :) (3.5.3 has sub-pixel anti-aliasing enabled in fontconfig, by default, for example - I don't think you can do that with Qt/e fonts) |
| 12:02.34 | Cwiiis | If you're flashing 3.5.3 anyway, I say give gpe a try, you might like it :) If not, no biggie :) |
| 12:04.32 | Radiance | hehe ok |
| 12:04.46 | Radiance | and this subpixel-anti-aliasing ... what does it do ? |
| 12:04.53 | Radiance | make things look alot better ? |
| 12:04.59 | Radiance | or just a bit better ? |
| 12:05.29 | Cwiiis | Makes fonts look a lot clearer and better |
| 12:05.52 | Radiance | but like in the terminal or just overall ? |
| 12:05.57 | Cwiiis | Everywhere :) |
| 12:06.22 | Radiance | but they're clear enough for me, i mean, it can't get better than what i see is my first thought hehe |
| 12:06.25 | Cwiiis | are you using a tft or a crt screen at the moment? |
| 12:06.38 | Radiance | on my workstation i use a tft |
| 12:06.48 | Cwiiis | Is it Windows or Linux? |
| 12:06.51 | Radiance | linux |
| 12:07.01 | Radiance | gnome :) |
| 12:07.33 | Cwiiis | in which case, go into the gnome fonts preferences, and look at sub-pixel anti-aliasing there - You'll see the difference :) Then think of it on a smaller screen :) |
| 12:07.51 | *** join/#openzaurus _FuF_ (~chatzilla@gandalf.tm.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de) |
| 12:08.33 | Cwiiis | http://handhelds.org/~florian/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Applications&id=port_11156 - There's a nice example of gpe input being good :) |
| 12:09.51 | Cwiiis | gpe-filemanager is nice too - it uses gnome-vfs, so you can browse samba shares, over ssh, etc. |
| 12:10.28 | _FuF_ | does anyone know, where I can get a newer gpsd ipkg than v1.1? |
| 12:10.34 | Radiance | well, i enabled subpix-a-a, but i don't see the difference ... really |
| 12:11.28 | Cwiiis | Radiance: It'll only take place on newly loaded applications |
| 12:11.36 | Radiance | i reloaded mozilla |
| 12:12.03 | Cwiiis | Maybe an old version of fontconfig? The difference is huge on my laptop and pda :) Try it out with gpe :) |
| 12:12.39 | Radiance | this is gnome 2.4 |
| 12:12.43 | Radiance | debian |
| 12:13.01 | Radiance | well, i'll try it out when i get back on the laptop |
| 12:13.06 | Radiance | i think that would make a difference |
| 12:13.23 | Radiance | but all with all, it's not a biggy for reading and such ? |
| 12:13.28 | Radiance | on the Z |
| 12:13.32 | Cwiiis | I used to run debian unstable on my laptop, and it definitely used to make a difference |
| 12:13.48 | Cwiiis | Radiance: It just makes things a bit more pleasant overall - not a huge difference, but certainly noticeable |
| 12:14.03 | Radiance | like with pdf reading ? |
| 12:14.40 | Radiance | ( on the Z) |
| 12:15.19 | Radiance | i must go now, but i'll try it on my laptop and see, if it makes a big difference then it's indeed something i'd consider too when choosing between gpe and opie |
| 12:15.31 | Radiance | but eitherway, one can do his/her work on both hehe |
| 12:17.03 | Radiance | thanks for the advise |
| 12:17.36 | Cwiiis | np :) I hope you pick gpe and help us make it better :) hehe |
| 12:30.07 | *** join/#openzaurus bisho (~bisho@138.100.31.236) |
| 12:30.07 | lardman | Quick random question - opie-calc used to do conversions didn't it, or is that something else? |
| 12:30.07 | lardman | There's a drop downlist box which says standard, but it can't be changed to anything (like scientific I suppose). Is this normal? |
| 12:50.42 | *** join/#openzaurus Pavouk (~pavouk@home.pavouk.org) |
| 13:04.01 | *** join/#openzaurus Pavouk (~pavouk@home.pavouk.org) |
| 13:07.29 | lardman | I thought there used to be a page on the oe wiki about building ipks for OZ? |
| 13:07.44 | lardman | Reading ZUG I see that the control file format seems to have changed? |
| 13:08.29 | Cwiiis | lardman: If you install ipkg on your PC, there's a tool to create ipks |
| 13:08.44 | lardman | install ipkg? where from? |
| 13:10.00 | Cwiiis | cvs.handhelds.org |
| 13:10.06 | Cwiiis | (familiar/dist/ipkg) |
| 13:10.21 | lardman | cool, thanks |
| 13:10.52 | Cwiiis | Oddly, every time I've tried to create them manually, they've never worked, even if I appear to be following the exact same steps as the tools do :p |
| 13:12.29 | lardman | Interesting :-). I just wanted to point someone in the right direction, then I realised things had changed |
| 13:17.32 | *** join/#openzaurus Bernardo (~jbbrs@Bernardo.sourcemage) |
| 13:30.08 | *** part/#openzaurus _FuF_ (~chatzilla@gandalf.tm.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de) |
| 13:36.06 | *** join/#openzaurus Virusmaster (~Thomas@p5488EEFB.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:21.50 | *** join/#openzaurus Bernardo|Away (~jbbrs@Bernardo.sourcemage) |
| 16:39.27 | *** join/#openzaurus Shdwdrgn (Picard@sourpuss.net) |
| 16:43.39 | *** join/#openzaurus hufnus (~slonsiki@ma61436d0.tmodns.net) |
| 16:54.15 | *** join/#openzaurus bisho (~bisho@138.100.31.236) |
| 17:06.51 | *** join/#openzaurus Timelord0 (~TL@64-147-65-106.access-3.intertex.net) |
| 17:18.50 | *** join/#openzaurus bisho (~bisho@138.100.31.236) |
| 19:17.04 | *** join/#openzaurus marcansoft (1337@80-29-50-237.adsl.nuria.telefonica-data.net) |
| 19:29.12 | *** join/#openzaurus imk (~dj@69-175-55-137.ontrca.adelphia.net) |
| 19:36.13 | *** join/#openzaurus vol (~jugga@cpe-24-194-97-147.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 20:06.26 | *** join/#openzaurus frdy (~adam@195.117.61.5) |
| 21:11.32 | *** join/#openzaurus Virusmaster (~Thomas@pD95DE029.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:13.41 | *** join/#openzaurus Shdwdrgn (Picard@sourpuss.net) |
| 21:31.15 | W8TVI | is chvt the only way to change vts with oz 3.5.2? |
| 21:31.21 | W8TVI | (when wanting to change VTs from the console? |
| 21:39.16 | CoreDump|home | W8TVI: AFAIK yes |
| 21:39.25 | CoreDump|home | well, no |
| 21:39.37 | CoreDump|home | there are keyboard combinations |
| 21:40.04 | CoreDump|home | on a 5500 it's the "dates" button and left-arrow IIRC |
| 21:42.56 | W8TVI | my zaurus is the 5500 |
| 21:43.13 | W8TVI | and a 5000d |
| 21:43.37 | W8TVI | hmmm... |
| 21:43.53 | W8TVI | it only seems to work when your not in the middle of a command |
| 21:44.14 | W8TVI | ok, it does work... |
| 21:44.43 | W8TVI | that was weird. I was in the middle of typing a long command and it wouldn't change VTs |
| 21:48.03 | *** join/#openzaurus darkschneider (~gab@213-140-22-64.fastres.net) |
| 21:55.23 | W8TVI | hmmm.... I see that opie packagemanager still has the bug that locks up opie if you look at the info popup for too many packages |
| 21:57.10 | *** join/#openzaurus luke-jr_ (~luke-jr@207.192.221.172) |
| 22:35.32 | *** join/#openzaurus kolla_ (~kolla@firda.kolla.no) |
| 23:00.00 | *** join/#openzaurus Cwiiis (~cwiiis@82-43-43-240.cable.ubr02.croy.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 23:14.41 | *** join/#openzaurus Timelord (~TL@64-147-65-106.access-3.intertex.net) |
| 23:23.10 | *** join/#openzaurus kaplanfx (~kaplanfx@c-67-170-193-18.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 23:29.53 | *** part/#openzaurus kaplanfx (~kaplanfx@c-67-170-193-18.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |